Watch Thunderfoot's video on Dawafilms, self described 'moderate muslim' and what should be done by the muslim community. If islam gets it's way you'll be forced to live under sharia, and face the death penalty if you even criticize islam - not deliberately insult islam, but simply criticize any aspect of it. for you to 'provide cover' for these kinds of evil people is the same as Chamberlan's appeasement of Hitler - and such actions by you could result in the same type of harm.
He is not boasting about shock and awe tactics he is saying "watch the f*** out because if you try to use violence against the west then the west is going to use violence against you, and the west does it better" (though i must point out the West is best at blowing apart fixed targets, not sustaining a conflict against an idea)
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How dare you? Thunderf00t was not behaving in a racist, bigoted, or otherwise prejudiced way. He was reacting to the atrocity committed by a group of Muslim extremists. He called to attention the fact that those he DOESN'T have a problem with refused to step up and condemn the actions of the murder of a completely innocent man. Because of that, he now has a problem with them.
@Svoig ah yes so generalising that every single muslim is evil and we should burn their most sacred possession is of course totally enlightened and not bigoted in any way. LOL!
@alternativebassist Did you listen to what I said? He has a specific grievance with the members of the Muslim faith. He's angry that they didn't speak out against a group of extremists who murdered a man in cold blood because he drew a picture. He's not saying every Muslim is evil. He's saying the murderers are evil. And he's got some serious and completely understandable problems with the ones who aren't completely disgusted by it.
@Svoig oh I see that's apart from the hundreds if not thousands if not MILLIONS of Muslims who have been calling for peace and calm through this whole period. Ah yes...wait no one has been killed for drawing a picture of Mohammed; certainly not the original Danish cartoonists. Oh I see! He thinks Murder is evil but he's perfectly ok with practises which lead to MORE MURDER. Yes I can see his logic now.
Yes, that IS apart from the Muslims who are calling for peace. He has a problem with those who don't and the ones who murdered the DUTCH Theo van Gogh. And what murderous practices does thunderf00t condone?
Never mind. You're not going to pay any more attention to the things I've said in this comment than you have to my previous ones. Have a nice day.
@Svoig oh so when he goes on about getting rid of ALL Muslims and destroying Islam we should just insert a mental footnote "except for those who are moderate and understanding but I won't mention as I'm making a fortune of the bigoted hate ranting gravy train and its a lot more fun to put forward my view as of course nobody else has the right to live their own life the way they want to" glad you cleared that up!
@Svoig Ok I don't know if you innocent or in denial but lets make one thing clear burning the Quran/drawing Muhammad is both a hate crime and an incitement to violence; no matter how safe you feel tucked up in the west with your " its freedom of speech" (no it isn't. Go learn what freedom of speech really means; my grandfather did not fight to protect hate crimes) people are suffering and dying because of your and thunderfoot's actions; 'grats.
@alternativebassist You must be a troll. I hope for your sake you are. From Wikipedia: A hate crime is a legal category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."
Nobody was hurt or killed (except for Theo van Gogh, of course). And that's not to mention the fact that I didn't say ANYTHING about this.
@alternativebassist You must be a troll. I hope for your sake you are. From Wikipedia: A hate crime is a legal category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."
Nobody was hurt or killed (except for Theo van Gogh, of course). And that's not to mention the fact that I didn't say ANYTHING about this.
@Svoig bias motivated...oh I'm sorry and Thunderf00t is completely neutral! LMFAO!!! That and the hundreds of people who were killed in retaliations to the burning of koran and the drawing of muhammad...I hope for your sake you really are brainwashed
@TheAtomicChipmunk if by a few people you mean most muslims then yes,of course.Remember that most muslmims from muslim countries are like that and they represent the majority :).And islam,a religion of peace ? Have you opened the qur'an ?
1st of all i proved you wrong the 1st time so it would be a best 1-1
2nd of all statistics and logic prove that muslims are generally problematic.Also,anybody who opened the qur'an and has a basic understanding of it realizes it's a very uked up book + mohammad,the one muslims must copy,was a pedo and a mass murderer :)
And ofcourse i also think the war should have never happened, but since it did i think a democracy would be an improvement over a dictatorship for everybody. (It's not perfect but definetly the best thing we ever tried)
I do not know if it will improve the situation on the long run but i think we have the responsibility to altleast try our best. (if only for all the lives lost, it would realy saden me if that would be in vain)
Besides, I don't see Thunderf00t calling for anyone's death. Seriously, try listening to the videos. Little different to the whole "behead those who insult Islam" schtick promoted by that particular "religion of peace".
Disclaimer: I consider all religion to be equally insane. I'm probably completely nuts myself. Don't listen to me, I'm some random retard on the Internet. Probably Furry too. And Thunderf00t, with that bunny pic.
We are at war! There will be innocent casualties! That's war 4 you! But if terrorist groups didn't murder 3000 innocent people in an hour then none of this hatred for Islam would be here! I think any religion is crap but don't hate people 4 it!they can believe what they want but when starts infecting the world then it's time to fight it!
@broomhall23 Dude you dont get it at all. There is only a small part of the religious people who are extreme like terrorists. And fighting is not the solution against the extremists, becous if it was then they would not exist by now. if you want to blame people, blame the extremists, all of them. and if you want to fight, it wil only make things worse.
I see a skinny 15 year old come up and smack a marshal arts trainer/body builder adult in the back of the head and then channel the adult to a fight.
I would not think it right for the adult to use violence against an immature youth...however it is a cold logical observation that the 15 year old is about to have a broken face.
Same with Islam vs west and what Tf00t was saying. It not right that the west blow up Islam...but a cold statement of fact that it can and if things continue will.
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To generalise about Muslims: all Muslims are taught that the Quran (which commands believers to wage war on non-believers) is the absolute Word of God and that Muhammad (who raped, pilliaged, murdered and tortured) is the perfect example of human virtue. Not all believe that, of course, but there are enough who do - and that should be a matter of concern to all free people in a free society. Thunderf00t has an opinion and right to draw his concerns to public attention.
I kind of agree that the amaricans had a very bad reason to begin the war agains irak, but i think it would be a very bad thing if they would have left soon afterwards, the power vacuum would be even worse than it is now, I think killing another human is always a crime against nature (if you kill a killer, you become a killer yourself, we would never stop killing if we would continue that road)
And yes i also disagree with with America for the same reasons...
"Shock and awe" is a generic term used to describe a battle tactic involving the use of overwhelming power in a short span of time, with the intent to intimidate the other side into quick surrender. It happened to be used in reference to the Iraq war BECAUSE that was the tactic employed. It does not necessarily refer to the events that occurred during the Iraq war.
It's very misleading that you present it as synonymous with war crimes.
The reference read "shock and awe was merely the giant's irresponsible child playing with kid's gloves", meaning that the war was an irresponsible display of great power.
Even though the Iraq war was not justified, it remains a fact that 9/11 was the source of the misguided backlash of the united states. Religious terrorism scared a powerful nation into doing something stupid. TF is not condoning the stupidity, but using the display of power as a measure to go by.
if the muslims realy cared about the growing cancer that is terrorism their theocratic government would not allow it instead they stay silent and instead try to force countries into allowing sheira law
@linkforever92 Our theocratic government is supported by your government, so go figure. If your governments stops funding corruption, maybe we'll get somewhere.
Really, watch the original video. It's not about generalizing muslims, it's about how Islam is making people commit horrible attrocities. The age of reason also includes freedom of speech, freedom to speak out against misguided ideals leading to attrocities and counter-progress. I mean, would you be so critical of it if you replaced Islam with Nazism?
@NightShadeAEB, "You really have no idea about any of the motives of Muslim terrorists." Actually I do. And it has nothing to do with terror. Or self-defense. Or even religion for that matter. Google search "less wrong Terrorism is not about Terror". It sums it up better then I can. Basically, the social structure of terrorist organizations is just that, a social structure, not a political structure.
1) terrorist organizations do not achieve their stated political goals by attacking civilians; 2) terrorist organizations never use terrorism as a last resort and seldeom seize opportunities to become productive nonviolent political parties; 3) terrorist organizations reflexively reject compromise proposals offering significant policy concessions by the target government; 4) terrorist organizations have protean political platforms...
...5) terrorist organizations generally carry out anonymous attacks, precluding target countries from making policy concessions; 6) terrorist organizations with identical political platforms routinely attack each other more than their mutally professed enemy; and 7) terrorist organizations resist disbanding when they consistently fail to achieve their political platforms or when their stated political grievances have been resolved.
@Houshalter Well Hamas and Hezbollah enjoy the support of the majority in Palestine and South Lebanon respectively. The Taliban were unpopular at first, but in recent years they're rapidly gaining support among the local populace again.
I can tell you Al Qaeda's motives: end American support for Israel, Saudi Arabia Egypt, etc. End American and Israeli occupation of Muslim lands. Then establish a 7th century-style theocratic state in Muslim lands only.
@NightShadeAEB, it's so futile. They are willing to lose their lives to get rid of an opressive regime and yet their ultimate goal is to create another one that's even worse. Killing civilians is also never justified. John Smith that works as an accountant for a business in New York has nothing to do with the soldiers that killed your family and you are a sick person for killing him out of anger. There is nothing self-defensive about it.
@Houshalter '' it's about how Islam is making people commit horrible atrocities'' - is Islam the only ideology thats doing that? America in the ''national interest'' of money, domination and hegemony has killed far more people than your miss guided ideals of Islam. Read some history and you'll be better informed.
@Houshalter One can cherry pick whatever one wants from ''holy'' books to suite ones agenda that makes one extremely benevolent or extremely malignant. In both case your an extremist. Being a muslim has nothing to do with either of those states. Its a human condition. I'd personally prefer a leader that is rational not religious.
@kennegun I wouldn't prefer any "leader", rational or not. The idea that someone else can make decisions for you better then you can, without your consent, is absurd.
Religion offers no freedom or tolerance does it? As far as I am aware the Christian faith says believe in Jesus or rot in hell. We can find these words from the lips of christ. What is reasonable about a belief that my perfect daughter was born 'sinful' vile & broken. What is reasonable about adults telling her the only way to be saved from suffering in hell is to love & fear an invisible thing? Muslims are equally guilty of the same delusions.
Tf00t was NOT celebrating the Iraq war. You're misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting here... either way you're in the wrong. You may not agree with Thunderf00t's position on this, and that's understandable, but this kind of disinformation is not the proper response.
The "Age of Reason" by default rules out ANY respect or tolerance of superstition, myths or religion. Political correctness or warm and fuzzieness do not apply to stupidity.
Oh, and by the way cat stevens supports fatwah and supported it on Rushdie publicly ! can't say i saw any strong public moderate condemming of him!, in fact the opposite. I personally have had enough of this "Islam means peace" bullshit.
Yes TF may have gone a little far, but we all say things in anger, that we may regret, could have said better or may not have said at all if not provoked. Dawha films and others have said some pretty vile things too.
When moderates COME OUT against death threats (fatwah) and support full human rights for Woman, Infidels and Gays, that when they will have my respect.
ty representativepress for bringing thunderf00ts vulgarity to light... you have to take into consideration the fact that when people have Anonymity on the web they allow themselves to be very careless with their actions. I'm sure at some level he knows he's done some wrong.
Thunderf00t just fights for his freedom of speach. He does not want to tolerate, that people in the free world have to have fear of death, just because their belief does not agree with the one of some mad Muslim mob. It's not against Islam itself or the muslims.
When you attack black people, they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people ,they call it anti- Semitism. When you attack women, they call it sexism .When you attack homosexuality ,they call it intolerance. When you attack your country, they call it treason. When you attack a religious sect ,they call it hate speech .But when you attack our Prophet Mohammed (Muhammad) (pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech!!!
@15sugra.. that show the core of hypocrisy and twisted values that are in their minds, whenever they did not understand or cannot agree with, they start to show hatred, intolerance, bigotry while defending their racism actions under the name of freedom of speech. This kind of people will exist forever and what we need to do is just to ignore and isolated them.
you got this ALL wrong, all of those above minus your religion is protecting people who arent calling for the heads of people who "attack" them. all those groups dont demand the offenders to die by drawing a picture of some guy nobody truly cares about. if a black person demanded my death for drawing martin luther king jr. then damn straight im going to get all my friends, outcry, and call the freedom of speach card because if i want to draw martin luther king, i WILL draw martin luther king
@15sugra What is wrong with that argument is for one, you are using inconsistent standards. You go from race/origin to sex, then to sexual preference, then to religious sects, then to one pedophile prophet who there is no proof for. I don't think you deserve ANY respect and neither does any religion whatsoever, so FUCK MOHAMMED.
Yeah, it's crazy how there's a distinction between ideas and people. I mean, don't you just wish that terrible religious beliefs could go unchallenged because people can't tell the difference between an intangible thought that can't be harmed in any way and a group of people who can?
In all the other scenarios you listed, people are attacked for WHO they are, something they have no control over. That's what makes it wrong. It's a very different thing to attack a belief system.
@15sugra "But when you attack our Prophet Mohammed (Muhammad) (pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech!!!". While I'm sorry about how sad it makes you that people argue with the words of your dead hero, let me ask you this. Were an atheist to move to a number of Islamic nations he would lose rights or lack legal status or even. And were that atheist to have been raised in an islamic family, the could face lifelong prison or death. So, what do YOU call THAT?
@Chrome242 It's called corrupt governments, most of which are funded by your fucking imperialist America. What do YOU call THAT?
America's the source of all corruption in the Middle East. Once it gets the fuck out of our politics, then we can force our leaders to give us democracy.
@NightShadeAEB I call your response a copout. Yes America has too many fingers in the pie in the middle east.... but the people of region have show us time and time again they can push back against america, which is good, they should and america should excise itself from the region. However, if you really fail when you try to place religion inspired intolance that persist across islamic nations in many geographic locals on america... it only makes you sound as if you're a fool, and wrong.
@Chrome242 Okay, Iraq was going communist, Iran was capitalist and democratic, but thanks to the CIA's 1963 and 1963 coups, and the 2003 invasion and 1979 revolution respectively, both are Islamist countries today.
Two simple examples. Have you even heard of Abdel Karim Qassim and Mohammad Mossadeq? They both were secular individuals and lead secular governments. Today, both countries are dominated by theocratic civil strife.
@15sugra Hehe what a fail logic. Everyone of the mentioned group is actually living. For eg. attacking Hitler is not the same as attacking all germans. Same with Muhammad. Fuck your Muhammad, and fuck Jesus too while I am at it
P.S. Dumbass doen't Islam itself teach intolerance towards homosexuals and women? Why the fuck shouldn't it be attacked? Fuck you, your Muhammad and Islam. CLIMB THE FUCK OUT OF DARK AGES ALREADY!
@15sugra for the mentally challenged :we call it freedom of speech cause IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH ! You can't compare what happened to black people and so on to islam.ISLAM IS CRITICISED AND MOCKED BUT UNLIKE JEWS AND SO ON YOU CAN ALWAYS LEAVE ISLAM. Jews will always be jews,it's not their choice,black people will always be black,NOT THEIR CHIOCE and so on. You really aren't that smart,are you ?
@doomygloomy1 but wait we can call the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in afghanistan, iraq, pakistan and other countries as acceptable? Hang on we have a right to attack muslims BECAUSE ITS THEIR CHOICE? You sick fuck!
@15sugra when you take over a country and institute harsh sharia law which features death penaltys for such crimes as homosexuality and adultry then launch a series of terrorist attacks killing thousands of innocents includeing your own people who you claim to be protecting they call it islamic extremeism. when people protest these horrible crimes commited in islamic countrys by muslims in the name of islam and arguably because of islam they call it hate speech
Sure TF may have executed it in a direct and some would say over the top way, but his main point still stands as truth: threats of violence should not, and WILL not prevent free speech in civilized countries. And no; a country that, on the whole, is ok with beheading people who draw cartoons of their prophet is not civilized.
Extremism is every where Thunderf00l,, as you blowing up your ass to spread the hatred so those crazy suicidal muslim. but there is one different between you and them and that is your accent... GTFO
He is asking people to draw pictures in response to death threats. In the past real people have actually been killed as a result of these death threats, the problem is real and the media is being bullied by Islam. He is not telling people to hate Muslims but I think he brings up a good point about how moderate muslims should not stand by as innocent blood is shed in the name of thier faith.
Thunderfoot's videos may be an expression of freedom of speech, but so is criticizing his videos. If someone ran up to a six year old and screamed profanities at them, you wouldn't talk about freedom of speech, you would criticize the screamer. I can see both sides of the issue. Some Muslims don't want the image of Muhammed drawn - but hey, this is America, and we can express ourselves however we want provided it doesn't cause anyone harm.
And remember this, the most important part - the ones drawing Mohammed aren't harming anyone, the extremists who retaliate violently are. Saying that expressing yourself by drawing a picture is an invitation to harm is ludicrous. The fact that anyone with a brain would defend the idea of a life for a doodle is beyond me. I just don't understand that kind of religious retardation. But as my Muslim friend's bumper sticker says: Don't confuse their politics with my religion.
@pyrenaphen Well that just shows how ignorant and untolerant Westerners are. We know you can draw whatever you want, but the point is, NOT to, not because you fear us, because you are respectful.
@abuali89 So when somebody disrespects you the logical course of action is to murder them....yes that makes complete sence. Who is the ignorant one here?
@akaTBear Are you delusional? I clearly said it is wrong to use violence against people in such manners. But my point was, you can disrespect all you want, but if you want to be tolerant and kind, we ask kindly for you to not disrespect our beliefs. If you fail respect us, than we will not murder you or attack you, or punish you. We just want things to be done in a civilized manner, we don't want to hurt anyone. It's about respecting us, not fearing us.
@abuali89 Then YOU need to do something about the people who do wish to kill others in the name of your common religion. Perhaps I am wrong but I assume you have spent way more time asking us to stop drawing pictures that you have asking the people who issue death threats against us to stop.
@akaTBear You act as if our disrespect is for no cause, we do not wish to hurt your feelings or punish you for your beliefs, we want to raise awareness towards the attrocities that are being commited in the name of Islam. You said "ignorant and untolerant" Yes I am afraid we are very untolerant to being threatened with death because of a picture that was drawn.
@akaTBear I cannot do anything about those people, they are in some tribal region in Pakistan and Afganistan. Those were not even threats, the Idiots at Revolutionmuslim did not threat, but said they could be killed by other extremists. They were wrong for showing a picture of a dead man,. I will devout my life to stop the minority of Muslims who want to kill civilians, but first you must devout your life to stop your majority of people who want to invade third world countries.
@abuali89 I see your logic, I understand.. Except you were lied to... My religion has bad people, as do all ideals and religions, but they do not want to convert you by the sword, this I know. And as a matter a fact this is the first time I encouraged people to be respectful and not take part of this, but if you refuse, I cannot take away that right. I would tell them to stop threats, but heres the problem: Never in all my life, have I encountered another Muslim who wanted to kill civilians.
@abuali89 The real point is this: you have to be just as tolerant of the people who disagree with you as you are with the people who agree with you. THAT'S what tolerance IS. Those of us that choose to poke a little fun here and there aren't doing it out of malice. And when it's your turn in line to have a little fun poked at your group, you can either laugh at yourselves like everyone else, join in the fun and have a good time, or petulantly try to lecture about why YOU should be left alone
@abuali89 And totally off topic but I feel the need to say it: I was in the Navy for 6 years. I ported in the middle east at least 20 times. The average middle easterner calling an american "ignorant and intolerant" is like a flea calling a midget small. I mean really, that crap might fly with someone who hasn't actually BEEN there, but I have. Yes, it's cool that you have Starbucks, but until your women have equal rights don't go calling me intolerant, it only makes me laugh.
@pyrenaphen You are more ignorant then I imagined. You really think, that the middle east is one big country, and is basically the same everywhere? Last time I checked, and correct me if I am wrong, the only Middle eastern countries without equal rights for women, are Top US allies. Iran has way more equal rights for women than any other Islamic State. I don't know where the hell you ported, but the very fact that you ported there, shows your support for it. I'm living in the middle east now!
@pyrenaphen You are very intolerant... Because here is the different. You are giving us an image to imagine every time with think about our prophet. Everyone knows what jesus supposedly looked like, but not Muhammad. When we think of him, we think of light. But when people like you go drawing him, we think of him as that drawing, and that is rather insulting and intolerant. No, it is not good to use violence for reasons like this, but it is intolerant.
@abuali89 interesting point. Personally when I hear the name muhammed, I picture a phedophile!!! a murdering despot that imposed a religious view by the sword. I know he was also an illiterate, so the idea of an ignorant peasant that drove sheep is what I imagine.. makes me fun to thing that muslim believe he had a flying horse that took him for a chat with allah.
So, in reality, if you have a strong enough imagination, you could only think about muha as a zeus like person... despite the facts
@lapiz1969 Your society taught you that saying stupid things like that will get Muslims to kill and yell at you. I will prove that is a Lie. It was proven that our prophet married Aishia when she was at the least 19, according to the same history you use against us. Yes our prophet was an illeterate, but that does not make him unintelligent, he just was not educated to read or write. Most people during that time period were not litterate. It was not a commong thing. Continued:--- -
@lapiz1969 Continued-- What does his social status have to do with him? Only brainwashed capitalist westerners say that only the rich are the smart, the great, the wise in history. You should review history from both sides of the table, before you speak with a tongue that God gave you. The point is we do not want to imagine Muhammad as any body, we want to view him as a messenger, a guide, light. We aren't like you who immortalize those who we follow. The "Horse" is metaphorical you fool.
@abuali89 and you can "view" him any way you want!!!! but I also have the right to view him the way I choose, your religion, your "god", your messenger or you have NO right to tell me what I can or I can´t do or say.
yes... so convenient to call a methaphor when needed. All religious ideologies do the same...
Thunderf00t is obviously only talking about the extremists. He's got no problem with normal, everyday Muslims, the kind that are not violent and not trying to destroy free speech.
Oh, so america allows religious freedom? I also believe it allows the freedom of speech! We aren't preventing any muslims from their religion! It is the other way around when they threaten those who aren't muslim with bombs and terrorist acts-but we are just showing we can rise against this tyranny!
His video was about defending the rights of free speech. His video is NOT out of line. I'll tell you what is out of line & needs to stop yesterday. Muslims or anyone for that matter thinks it's okay to kill or threaten people b/c of their fairytale ideologies. TFs video was a call to war against the enemies of free speech & I for one am on his side. His video was right on the money & is what is called for in this day & age.
Freedom to religion to then take the free speech of the rest of the world?
I don't think so.
If they feel like taking advantage of this right to break the rights of others willfully, i don't believe they should have all rights of their own. They promote hate-speech (they being the extremeists), and we just have to sit back and take it! On your bike mate!
In the words of Richard Dawkins, "Don't be polite."
The Western world is done being polite to this kind of religious ignorance. We barely finally get a leash on Christianity over here, following the Renaissance, and now we need to deal with all this Dark Age nonsense all over again. That is what is ridiculous.
I'm not condoning the Iraq war, of course. That was not the Western world, but our rich, corrupt leaders. These Muslims however, are attacking free speech. We can't have that.
Yeah there may be 100 million jerkwads in America, capable of crushing every free thinking person here... But we do exist nonetheless..
You think threatening someone totally on your side about everything EXCEPT that religious doctrines are to be considered True and Respected Just Because A Lot Of People Believe It?
Wouldn't moderate Muslims clean their own house If They Could?!?
LOL at the liking and subscribing. Its not political action its so you make a profit... not that there is anything wrong with that except thats its manipulation.
Wouldn't (by definition) the Age of Reason exclude religious freedom if said freedoms are irrational? You cant be tolerant of everything and being reasonable does not bring to pass all encompassing tolerance.
@ Thunderf00t's retarded fans. Why are not mad at Thunderf00t because he doesn't agree with Islam. It's because he said he would like to wage war on all on the Muslims. And he compares good Muslims to the bad ones. But like scums you are, you like to ignore that and make up lies instead. Keep supporting Thunderf00t's hate you losers.
@SomeFA10 Thunderfoot supports freedom of speech unlike most Muslims that I have met. I have always sided with the muslim community in this country when it comes to issues of discrimination. The problem is that Islam is no different from Christianity in its desire to have it both ways. It wants to be able to say really hateful, outrageous things (and in some cases incite violence) without being criticized.
Ok what did I just say? I'm not mad at him because he doesn't like Islam, and disagrees with it but because he attacks every Muslim people and says that we are all bad and wants to wage war on us. Please read over my comments again next time. And btw, some Atheists themselves had said that he is censoring their comments and because they are not well known people here, it is easy for him to remove their comments. So yeah he loves freedom of speech allright.
¨neglected, how islamic scientists taught westerners about mathematics, astronomy, algebra "al-jabr",¨
Um, arabs had a contribution to science, like all ethnicities. Arabs don´t equal Muslim. Islam actually brought what we call the Islamic world down, Islam rose during the Dark Ages. Or is that just some coincidence.
@GodHatesYouPeople Again, I'm not interested in your little pissing contest. The fact that you don't realize how big of an influence islam had on the enlightenment, how islamic scholars preserved classic texts which europeans had neglected, how islamic scientists taught westerners about mathematics, astronomy, algebra "al-jabr", and how they promoted science and tolerance, you're displaying a high level of ignorance about the enlightenment. Go skim over wikipedia again.
Islamic societies did have some positive contributions to science, some 1000 years ago. Now many are still stuck in some strange 14th century mindset. Sad but true.
@TiradeFaction That is nonsense. Iran is developing nuclear power plants, and maybe nuclear weapons, and I have met iranian nuclear engineers, so you're just repeating racist myths.
@n8glenn Man, you got to be the most boring apologist for Islam I´ve encountered yet. You read things off like some sort of ticker tape, complete with sayings like ¨big of an influence islam had on the enlightenment¨ without proving it probably means you´re someone very interested in islam, and going to convert to it, so the bias is already set up and you´re already full of the evangelist bullshit.
@GodHatesYouPeople Yes, you're right, what good is information if it doesn't entertain and enthrall you?!? Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to make grandiose, emotionally charged hitler speeches for you to get worked up into a religious frenzy over, I'm just going to tell you the truth, and if you get bored you can go back to being mesmerized by your demogogue.
@TiradeFaction That is totally irrelevant. It does not matter whether those people (whoever they are) are racists. It has no bearing on whether you or other militant islamophobes are racists.
@n8glenn Yes it does. I use the same critiques these people use (both arabs, and one even a practicing muslim), so am I asking, are both of them racist? It is pretty clear at this point you are dodging my questions.
@GodHatesYouPeople I constantly defend my views, and furthermore I'm not the one here who is afraid of muslims, and if you don't understand how your own hate is driven by fear, or if you can't comprehend my explanation of my views, then it's not my problem.
@n8glenn You constantly defend your views yet you can´t even answer a simple question. TiradeFaction certainly has a point, are muslims who criticize Islam´s response and attacks on free speech racist?
Seriously, no wonder your videos get like 60 views at most.
@GodHatesYouPeople Tirade has no point, and no knowledge of the islamic world. If black people criticize other black people, does that mean that when Klansmen talk about black people that it's not racist? Apparently you think so, or you would not be posing as tirade's sock puppet.
@n8glenn I can´t be expected to hold your hands through everything like you´re in junior high again. Do some research on your own.
And you don´t constantly defend your views. You do try to talk down your opponent, but as shown here and on your pathetic videos, you ignore and censor criticism when it gets too hot, and then stop responding and run away like a big pussy. You can´t even bring yourself to defend your flimsy and uneducated videos, because you´re a big coward :P
@GodHatesYouPeople You're just resorting to insults and childish taunts now, so it looks like I've gotten to you and made you angry. That's your problem, not mine, I will not stoop down to this level. Get back to me when you have a point, instead of just venting frustrations. :)
@GodHatesYouPeople Your words demean you, but if you want so badly to offend people, go and show the same level of disrespect to any other minority, go and yell "nigger" at black people, go and yell "heil hitler" at jews, after all, it's your right to do so, and when they knock you on your ass and kick the crap out of you, you can tell everyone you're the victim.
@n8glenn Want so badly to offend people? Lulz, you show you are offended. Seriously, nobody cares what you think, so why would I care if you think I demean myself? You demean yourself when you equate criticism to racism and censor counters to it. And lol again at the black person comment, I guess those muslims who attack and enslave Africans don´t count...you are really obsessed with religious criticism being racism. You really suck at being a defender of intolerance.
Watch Thunderfoot's video on Dawafilms, self described 'moderate muslim' and what should be done by the muslim community. If islam gets it's way you'll be forced to live under sharia, and face the death penalty if you even criticize islam - not deliberately insult islam, but simply criticize any aspect of it. for you to 'provide cover' for these kinds of evil people is the same as Chamberlan's appeasement of Hitler - and such actions by you could result in the same type of harm.
goodspelr 1 week ago
He is not boasting about shock and awe tactics he is saying "watch the f*** out because if you try to use violence against the west then the west is going to use violence against you, and the west does it better" (though i must point out the West is best at blowing apart fixed targets, not sustaining a conflict against an idea)
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stevenrc33 2 months ago
How dare you? Thunderf00t was not behaving in a racist, bigoted, or otherwise prejudiced way. He was reacting to the atrocity committed by a group of Muslim extremists. He called to attention the fact that those he DOESN'T have a problem with refused to step up and condemn the actions of the murder of a completely innocent man. Because of that, he now has a problem with them.
Svoig 6 months ago
@Svoig ah yes so generalising that every single muslim is evil and we should burn their most sacred possession is of course totally enlightened and not bigoted in any way. LOL!
alternativebassist 5 months ago
@alternativebassist Did you listen to what I said? He has a specific grievance with the members of the Muslim faith. He's angry that they didn't speak out against a group of extremists who murdered a man in cold blood because he drew a picture. He's not saying every Muslim is evil. He's saying the murderers are evil. And he's got some serious and completely understandable problems with the ones who aren't completely disgusted by it.
Svoig 5 months ago
@Svoig oh I see that's apart from the hundreds if not thousands if not MILLIONS of Muslims who have been calling for peace and calm through this whole period. Ah yes...wait no one has been killed for drawing a picture of Mohammed; certainly not the original Danish cartoonists. Oh I see! He thinks Murder is evil but he's perfectly ok with practises which lead to MORE MURDER. Yes I can see his logic now.
alternativebassist 5 months ago
@alternativebassist Um... What?
Yes, that IS apart from the Muslims who are calling for peace. He has a problem with those who don't and the ones who murdered the DUTCH Theo van Gogh. And what murderous practices does thunderf00t condone?
Never mind. You're not going to pay any more attention to the things I've said in this comment than you have to my previous ones. Have a nice day.
Svoig 5 months ago
@Svoig oh so when he goes on about getting rid of ALL Muslims and destroying Islam we should just insert a mental footnote "except for those who are moderate and understanding but I won't mention as I'm making a fortune of the bigoted hate ranting gravy train and its a lot more fun to put forward my view as of course nobody else has the right to live their own life the way they want to" glad you cleared that up!
alternativebassist 5 months ago
@Svoig Ok I don't know if you innocent or in denial but lets make one thing clear burning the Quran/drawing Muhammad is both a hate crime and an incitement to violence; no matter how safe you feel tucked up in the west with your " its freedom of speech" (no it isn't. Go learn what freedom of speech really means; my grandfather did not fight to protect hate crimes) people are suffering and dying because of your and thunderfoot's actions; 'grats.
alternativebassist 5 months ago
@alternativebassist You must be a troll. I hope for your sake you are. From Wikipedia: A hate crime is a legal category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."
Nobody was hurt or killed (except for Theo van Gogh, of course). And that's not to mention the fact that I didn't say ANYTHING about this.
Svoig 5 months ago
@alternativebassist You must be a troll. I hope for your sake you are. From Wikipedia: A hate crime is a legal category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."
Nobody was hurt or killed (except for Theo van Gogh, of course). And that's not to mention the fact that I didn't say ANYTHING about this.
Svoig 5 months ago
@Svoig bias motivated...oh I'm sorry and Thunderf00t is completely neutral! LMFAO!!! That and the hundreds of people who were killed in retaliations to the burning of koran and the drawing of muhammad...I hope for your sake you really are brainwashed
alternativebassist 5 months ago
@TheAtomicChipmunk old male with Aisha tells you something ?
doomygloomy1 9 months ago
@TheAtomicChipmunk if by a few people you mean most muslims then yes,of course.Remember that most muslmims from muslim countries are like that and they represent the majority :).And islam,a religion of peace ? Have you opened the qur'an ?
doomygloomy1 9 months ago
@TheAtomicChipmunk you're a retard.
1st of all i proved you wrong the 1st time so it would be a best 1-1
2nd of all statistics and logic prove that muslims are generally problematic.Also,anybody who opened the qur'an and has a basic understanding of it realizes it's a very uked up book + mohammad,the one muslims must copy,was a pedo and a mass murderer :)
doomygloomy1 9 months ago
@TheAtomicChipmunk the comparation is retarded.You follow an ideology,it's not about location at all
doomygloomy1 9 months ago
This video sucks, and whomever made it is a complete jackass.
MrPoopybum 1 year ago
And ofcourse i also think the war should have never happened, but since it did i think a democracy would be an improvement over a dictatorship for everybody. (It's not perfect but definetly the best thing we ever tried)
I do not know if it will improve the situation on the long run but i think we have the responsibility to altleast try our best. (if only for all the lives lost, it would realy saden me if that would be in vain)
Geertpieter 1 year ago
The guy penned a spectacular troll...
...and you all ate it up.
Besides, I don't see Thunderf00t calling for anyone's death. Seriously, try listening to the videos. Little different to the whole "behead those who insult Islam" schtick promoted by that particular "religion of peace".
Disclaimer: I consider all religion to be equally insane. I'm probably completely nuts myself. Don't listen to me, I'm some random retard on the Internet. Probably Furry too. And Thunderf00t, with that bunny pic.
technicalfool 1 year ago
@MrJohnnyrace Oh for God's sake please Google them yourself. I get tired of listing them comment after comment ~_~
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
YOU CAN'T FUCK WITH THUNDERF00T BIYATCH
donjuan78123 1 year ago
I did not understand what u didn't like, very bad presentation which makes u seem like you're trying to push something
ARTAthletix 1 year ago
We are at war! There will be innocent casualties! That's war 4 you! But if terrorist groups didn't murder 3000 innocent people in an hour then none of this hatred for Islam would be here! I think any religion is crap but don't hate people 4 it!they can believe what they want but when starts infecting the world then it's time to fight it!
broomhall23 1 year ago
@broomhall23 yeah so you go invade a country that had nothing at all to do with any terrorist attacks in yours.
helookslikefamousppl 1 year ago
@broomhall23 Dude you dont get it at all. There is only a small part of the religious people who are extreme like terrorists. And fighting is not the solution against the extremists, becous if it was then they would not exist by now. if you want to blame people, blame the extremists, all of them. and if you want to fight, it wil only make things worse.
HenkMetBaard 10 months ago
Man, I love this channel!
SonarWavePulse 1 year ago
I see a skinny 15 year old come up and smack a marshal arts trainer/body builder adult in the back of the head and then channel the adult to a fight.
I would not think it right for the adult to use violence against an immature youth...however it is a cold logical observation that the 15 year old is about to have a broken face.
Same with Islam vs west and what Tf00t was saying. It not right that the west blow up Islam...but a cold statement of fact that it can and if things continue will.
whydid666 1 year ago
There is a difference between attacking people for who they are and attacking false ideas
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SHMUJEW 1 year ago
To generalise about Muslims: all Muslims are taught that the Quran (which commands believers to wage war on non-believers) is the absolute Word of God and that Muhammad (who raped, pilliaged, murdered and tortured) is the perfect example of human virtue. Not all believe that, of course, but there are enough who do - and that should be a matter of concern to all free people in a free society. Thunderf00t has an opinion and right to draw his concerns to public attention.
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
huh?? did I miss something in thunderfoot's video? the part about cheering shock and awe, you know?
ludoeksel 1 year ago
@MrJohnnyrace So that excuses America's war crimes which are far worse than anything else in history?
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB
There is a huge difference between saying u disagree with someone and blowing someone up.
No there is never an excuse for terrorism or supresion. (and for me that includes guantanamo bay and all theocracy's)
PS:englisch is not my first language, but if u do not understand me we could continue the conversation in dutch
Verekte teringlijder die je bent ;)
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@Geertpieter Lol sorry, I only speak English, Arabic and some French XD
And I'm just saying what America does qualifies as terrorism since it intimidates civilians with military force for a political agenda.
Blowing up American soldiers is okay. Blowing up American civilians is not okay.
Reasonable, no?
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB
I kind of agree that the amaricans had a very bad reason to begin the war agains irak, but i think it would be a very bad thing if they would have left soon afterwards, the power vacuum would be even worse than it is now, I think killing another human is always a crime against nature (if you kill a killer, you become a killer yourself, we would never stop killing if we would continue that road)
And yes i also disagree with with America for the same reasons...
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@15sugra
"But when you attack our Prophet Mohammed (Muhammad) (pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech!!!"
We do not use anything but words of reason, if u call that an atack u should go move to a theocracy without free speach!
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@Geertpieter Learn to spell speech.
And who are you? The ones that make pornographic insults about him?
He's saying attack as in insult, not criticize. Surely any dimwit can notice that.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
"Shock and awe" is a generic term used to describe a battle tactic involving the use of overwhelming power in a short span of time, with the intent to intimidate the other side into quick surrender. It happened to be used in reference to the Iraq war BECAUSE that was the tactic employed. It does not necessarily refer to the events that occurred during the Iraq war.
It's very misleading that you present it as synonymous with war crimes.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@supermagicmilk
The reference read "shock and awe was merely the giant's irresponsible child playing with kid's gloves", meaning that the war was an irresponsible display of great power.
Even though the Iraq war was not justified, it remains a fact that 9/11 was the source of the misguided backlash of the united states. Religious terrorism scared a powerful nation into doing something stupid. TF is not condoning the stupidity, but using the display of power as a measure to go by.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
die you raghead fuck my broters fro 176th are dead because of you
weaselbeer 1 year ago
if the muslims realy cared about the growing cancer that is terrorism their theocratic government would not allow it instead they stay silent and instead try to force countries into allowing sheira law
linkforever92 1 year ago
@linkforever92 Our theocratic government is supported by your government, so go figure. If your governments stops funding corruption, maybe we'll get somewhere.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB yea ill get right on that just as soon as i get some political power....... but as an atheist that just wont happen
linkforever92 1 year ago
@linkforever92 Sadly, that's true.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
Really, watch the original video. It's not about generalizing muslims, it's about how Islam is making people commit horrible attrocities. The age of reason also includes freedom of speech, freedom to speak out against misguided ideals leading to attrocities and counter-progress. I mean, would you be so critical of it if you replaced Islam with Nazism?
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter It's not Islam, it's about self-defense. You really have no idea about any of the motives of Muslim terrorists.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB, "You really have no idea about any of the motives of Muslim terrorists." Actually I do. And it has nothing to do with terror. Or self-defense. Or even religion for that matter. Google search "less wrong Terrorism is not about Terror". It sums it up better then I can. Basically, the social structure of terrorist organizations is just that, a social structure, not a political structure.
Houshalter 1 year ago
1) terrorist organizations do not achieve their stated political goals by attacking civilians; 2) terrorist organizations never use terrorism as a last resort and seldeom seize opportunities to become productive nonviolent political parties; 3) terrorist organizations reflexively reject compromise proposals offering significant policy concessions by the target government; 4) terrorist organizations have protean political platforms...
Houshalter 1 year ago
...5) terrorist organizations generally carry out anonymous attacks, precluding target countries from making policy concessions; 6) terrorist organizations with identical political platforms routinely attack each other more than their mutally professed enemy; and 7) terrorist organizations resist disbanding when they consistently fail to achieve their political platforms or when their stated political grievances have been resolved.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter Well Hamas and Hezbollah enjoy the support of the majority in Palestine and South Lebanon respectively. The Taliban were unpopular at first, but in recent years they're rapidly gaining support among the local populace again.
I can tell you Al Qaeda's motives: end American support for Israel, Saudi Arabia Egypt, etc. End American and Israeli occupation of Muslim lands. Then establish a 7th century-style theocratic state in Muslim lands only.
Al Qaeda's mainly self-defensive.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@Houshalter Cont.
They go over the top, I know. But people support them when they find no one else to rely on. It happens.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB, it's so futile. They are willing to lose their lives to get rid of an opressive regime and yet their ultimate goal is to create another one that's even worse. Killing civilians is also never justified. John Smith that works as an accountant for a business in New York has nothing to do with the soldiers that killed your family and you are a sick person for killing him out of anger. There is nothing self-defensive about it.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter '' it's about how Islam is making people commit horrible atrocities'' - is Islam the only ideology thats doing that? America in the ''national interest'' of money, domination and hegemony has killed far more people than your miss guided ideals of Islam. Read some history and you'll be better informed.
kennegun 1 year ago
@kennegun that's true, but if we had an extremist muslim as president, I'd argue it would be a hell of a lot worse.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter One can cherry pick whatever one wants from ''holy'' books to suite ones agenda that makes one extremely benevolent or extremely malignant. In both case your an extremist. Being a muslim has nothing to do with either of those states. Its a human condition. I'd personally prefer a leader that is rational not religious.
kennegun 1 year ago
@kennegun I wouldn't prefer any "leader", rational or not. The idea that someone else can make decisions for you better then you can, without your consent, is absurd.
Houshalter 1 year ago
Oh, yet another "muslims are innocent victims"-channel.
It's not like denial of reality and rewriting if history turns people against you --.--
TheAmazingSatirist 1 year ago
Religion offers no freedom or tolerance does it? As far as I am aware the Christian faith says believe in Jesus or rot in hell. We can find these words from the lips of christ. What is reasonable about a belief that my perfect daughter was born 'sinful' vile & broken. What is reasonable about adults telling her the only way to be saved from suffering in hell is to love & fear an invisible thing? Muslims are equally guilty of the same delusions.
Downfurlife 1 year ago
Tolerating the intolerant just gives room for the intolerant to take over. TF FTW!
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
Drawing Muhammed details the first attack of the Jihad against Western Culture
kreplach2 1 year ago
THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS
FantasyX3I 1 year ago
Strawmanning sure is easy isn't it?
Tf00t was NOT celebrating the Iraq war. You're misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting here... either way you're in the wrong. You may not agree with Thunderf00t's position on this, and that's understandable, but this kind of disinformation is not the proper response.
cyxgun 1 year ago
The "Age of Reason" by default rules out ANY respect or tolerance of superstition, myths or religion. Political correctness or warm and fuzzieness do not apply to stupidity.
4G3NTanon 1 year ago
Oh, and by the way cat stevens supports fatwah and supported it on Rushdie publicly ! can't say i saw any strong public moderate condemming of him!, in fact the opposite. I personally have had enough of this "Islam means peace" bullshit.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Yes TF may have gone a little far, but we all say things in anger, that we may regret, could have said better or may not have said at all if not provoked. Dawha films and others have said some pretty vile things too.
When moderates COME OUT against death threats (fatwah) and support full human rights for Woman, Infidels and Gays, that when they will have my respect.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
ty representativepress for bringing thunderf00ts vulgarity to light... you have to take into consideration the fact that when people have Anonymity on the web they allow themselves to be very careless with their actions. I'm sure at some level he knows he's done some wrong.
bbryans21 1 year ago
Thunderf00t just fights for his freedom of speach. He does not want to tolerate, that people in the free world have to have fear of death, just because their belief does not agree with the one of some mad Muslim mob. It's not against Islam itself or the muslims.
Bartnet1991 1 year ago
When you attack black people, they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people ,they call it anti- Semitism. When you attack women, they call it sexism .When you attack homosexuality ,they call it intolerance. When you attack your country, they call it treason. When you attack a religious sect ,they call it hate speech .But when you attack our Prophet Mohammed (Muhammad) (pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech!!!
15sugra 1 year ago 8
@15sugra.. that show the core of hypocrisy and twisted values that are in their minds, whenever they did not understand or cannot agree with, they start to show hatred, intolerance, bigotry while defending their racism actions under the name of freedom of speech. This kind of people will exist forever and what we need to do is just to ignore and isolated them.
machangsedap 1 year ago
you got this ALL wrong, all of those above minus your religion is protecting people who arent calling for the heads of people who "attack" them. all those groups dont demand the offenders to die by drawing a picture of some guy nobody truly cares about. if a black person demanded my death for drawing martin luther king jr. then damn straight im going to get all my friends, outcry, and call the freedom of speach card because if i want to draw martin luther king, i WILL draw martin luther king
cptmiche 1 year ago
@15sugra What is wrong with that argument is for one, you are using inconsistent standards. You go from race/origin to sex, then to sexual preference, then to religious sects, then to one pedophile prophet who there is no proof for. I don't think you deserve ANY respect and neither does any religion whatsoever, so FUCK MOHAMMED.
XxMetalManxX 1 year ago
@15sugra
Yeah, it's crazy how there's a distinction between ideas and people. I mean, don't you just wish that terrible religious beliefs could go unchallenged because people can't tell the difference between an intangible thought that can't be harmed in any way and a group of people who can?
In all the other scenarios you listed, people are attacked for WHO they are, something they have no control over. That's what makes it wrong. It's a very different thing to attack a belief system.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@15sugra what about white blokes, all of the above, except when you attack a white bloke, its just an attack!
azmanabdula 1 year ago
@15sugra "But when you attack our Prophet Mohammed (Muhammad) (pbuh), they want to call it freedom of speech!!!". While I'm sorry about how sad it makes you that people argue with the words of your dead hero, let me ask you this. Were an atheist to move to a number of Islamic nations he would lose rights or lack legal status or even. And were that atheist to have been raised in an islamic family, the could face lifelong prison or death. So, what do YOU call THAT?
Chrome242 1 year ago
@Chrome242 It's called corrupt governments, most of which are funded by your fucking imperialist America. What do YOU call THAT?
America's the source of all corruption in the Middle East. Once it gets the fuck out of our politics, then we can force our leaders to give us democracy.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@NightShadeAEB I call your response a copout. Yes America has too many fingers in the pie in the middle east.... but the people of region have show us time and time again they can push back against america, which is good, they should and america should excise itself from the region. However, if you really fail when you try to place religion inspired intolance that persist across islamic nations in many geographic locals on america... it only makes you sound as if you're a fool, and wrong.
Chrome242 1 year ago
@Chrome242 Okay, Iraq was going communist, Iran was capitalist and democratic, but thanks to the CIA's 1963 and 1963 coups, and the 2003 invasion and 1979 revolution respectively, both are Islamist countries today.
Two simple examples. Have you even heard of Abdel Karim Qassim and Mohammad Mossadeq? They both were secular individuals and lead secular governments. Today, both countries are dominated by theocratic civil strife.
I can go on if you want.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
@15sugra
When you attack Jewish people you call it Islam
When you attack women you call it Islam
When you attack homosexuality you call it Islam
When you attack other religions you call is Islam
When draw a cartoon and people get in a huge hissy fit about a drawing you call it Islam.
Muslims simply can not lecture anyone on tollerance.
evilreligion 1 year ago
@15sugra Hehe what a fail logic. Everyone of the mentioned group is actually living. For eg. attacking Hitler is not the same as attacking all germans. Same with Muhammad. Fuck your Muhammad, and fuck Jesus too while I am at it
P.S. Dumbass doen't Islam itself teach intolerance towards homosexuals and women? Why the fuck shouldn't it be attacked? Fuck you, your Muhammad and Islam. CLIMB THE FUCK OUT OF DARK AGES ALREADY!
tjohn1986 1 year ago
@15sugra It isnt Black,jewish,female,gay Americans that will kill if you draw a picture of the so called prophet mohammed. Islam will never be fair.
cliffyknight 1 year ago
@15sugra
So true
PeaceandUnity1972 1 year ago
@15sugra youtube comment of the year for me....
bulbulahamadnz 1 year ago
@15sugra
hypocricy at its best it seems
talshow89 1 year ago
@15sugra for the mentally challenged :we call it freedom of speech cause IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH ! You can't compare what happened to black people and so on to islam.ISLAM IS CRITICISED AND MOCKED BUT UNLIKE JEWS AND SO ON YOU CAN ALWAYS LEAVE ISLAM. Jews will always be jews,it's not their choice,black people will always be black,NOT THEIR CHIOCE and so on. You really aren't that smart,are you ?
doomygloomy1 10 months ago
@doomygloomy1 but wait we can call the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in afghanistan, iraq, pakistan and other countries as acceptable? Hang on we have a right to attack muslims BECAUSE ITS THEIR CHOICE? You sick fuck!
alternativebassist 5 months ago 2
@15sugra when you take over a country and institute harsh sharia law which features death penaltys for such crimes as homosexuality and adultry then launch a series of terrorist attacks killing thousands of innocents includeing your own people who you claim to be protecting they call it islamic extremeism. when people protest these horrible crimes commited in islamic countrys by muslims in the name of islam and arguably because of islam they call it hate speech
lonewolfM16 10 months ago
Sure TF may have executed it in a direct and some would say over the top way, but his main point still stands as truth: threats of violence should not, and WILL not prevent free speech in civilized countries. And no; a country that, on the whole, is ok with beheading people who draw cartoons of their prophet is not civilized.
DominationSupreme 1 year ago
Extremism is every where Thunderf00l,, as you blowing up your ass to spread the hatred so those crazy suicidal muslim. but there is one different between you and them and that is your accent... GTFO
impriom 1 year ago
He is asking people to draw pictures in response to death threats. In the past real people have actually been killed as a result of these death threats, the problem is real and the media is being bullied by Islam. He is not telling people to hate Muslims but I think he brings up a good point about how moderate muslims should not stand by as innocent blood is shed in the name of thier faith.
akaTBear 1 year ago
Show me on moderate Muslim group in the United States that stood up to fight for South Park's right to air its work uncensored.
None. Zero. Western civilization is up against 99.9% of the Muslims on the planet. The South Park case was the last straw.
geodesicks 1 year ago
Thunderbird is dumb
HardcoreHavokk 1 year ago
@wais910 Hmmm...kind of like the majority of Americans, who believe the propaganda spewed from their favorite MSM!!!
lbcerg7 1 year ago
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JRBendixen 1 year ago
Thunderfoot's videos may be an expression of freedom of speech, but so is criticizing his videos. If someone ran up to a six year old and screamed profanities at them, you wouldn't talk about freedom of speech, you would criticize the screamer. I can see both sides of the issue. Some Muslims don't want the image of Muhammed drawn - but hey, this is America, and we can express ourselves however we want provided it doesn't cause anyone harm.
pyrenaphen 1 year ago
And remember this, the most important part - the ones drawing Mohammed aren't harming anyone, the extremists who retaliate violently are. Saying that expressing yourself by drawing a picture is an invitation to harm is ludicrous. The fact that anyone with a brain would defend the idea of a life for a doodle is beyond me. I just don't understand that kind of religious retardation. But as my Muslim friend's bumper sticker says: Don't confuse their politics with my religion.
pyrenaphen 1 year ago
@pyrenaphen Well that just shows how ignorant and untolerant Westerners are. We know you can draw whatever you want, but the point is, NOT to, not because you fear us, because you are respectful.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 So when somebody disrespects you the logical course of action is to murder them....yes that makes complete sence. Who is the ignorant one here?
akaTBear 1 year ago
@akaTBear Are you delusional? I clearly said it is wrong to use violence against people in such manners. But my point was, you can disrespect all you want, but if you want to be tolerant and kind, we ask kindly for you to not disrespect our beliefs. If you fail respect us, than we will not murder you or attack you, or punish you. We just want things to be done in a civilized manner, we don't want to hurt anyone. It's about respecting us, not fearing us.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 Then YOU need to do something about the people who do wish to kill others in the name of your common religion. Perhaps I am wrong but I assume you have spent way more time asking us to stop drawing pictures that you have asking the people who issue death threats against us to stop.
akaTBear 1 year ago
@akaTBear You act as if our disrespect is for no cause, we do not wish to hurt your feelings or punish you for your beliefs, we want to raise awareness towards the attrocities that are being commited in the name of Islam. You said "ignorant and untolerant" Yes I am afraid we are very untolerant to being threatened with death because of a picture that was drawn.
akaTBear 1 year ago
@akaTBear I cannot do anything about those people, they are in some tribal region in Pakistan and Afganistan. Those were not even threats, the Idiots at Revolutionmuslim did not threat, but said they could be killed by other extremists. They were wrong for showing a picture of a dead man,. I will devout my life to stop the minority of Muslims who want to kill civilians, but first you must devout your life to stop your majority of people who want to invade third world countries.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 I see your logic, I understand.. Except you were lied to... My religion has bad people, as do all ideals and religions, but they do not want to convert you by the sword, this I know. And as a matter a fact this is the first time I encouraged people to be respectful and not take part of this, but if you refuse, I cannot take away that right. I would tell them to stop threats, but heres the problem: Never in all my life, have I encountered another Muslim who wanted to kill civilians.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 The real point is this: you have to be just as tolerant of the people who disagree with you as you are with the people who agree with you. THAT'S what tolerance IS. Those of us that choose to poke a little fun here and there aren't doing it out of malice. And when it's your turn in line to have a little fun poked at your group, you can either laugh at yourselves like everyone else, join in the fun and have a good time, or petulantly try to lecture about why YOU should be left alone
pyrenaphen 1 year ago
@abuali89 And totally off topic but I feel the need to say it: I was in the Navy for 6 years. I ported in the middle east at least 20 times. The average middle easterner calling an american "ignorant and intolerant" is like a flea calling a midget small. I mean really, that crap might fly with someone who hasn't actually BEEN there, but I have. Yes, it's cool that you have Starbucks, but until your women have equal rights don't go calling me intolerant, it only makes me laugh.
pyrenaphen 1 year ago
@pyrenaphen You are more ignorant then I imagined. You really think, that the middle east is one big country, and is basically the same everywhere? Last time I checked, and correct me if I am wrong, the only Middle eastern countries without equal rights for women, are Top US allies. Iran has way more equal rights for women than any other Islamic State. I don't know where the hell you ported, but the very fact that you ported there, shows your support for it. I'm living in the middle east now!
abuali89 1 year ago
@pyrenaphen You are very intolerant... Because here is the different. You are giving us an image to imagine every time with think about our prophet. Everyone knows what jesus supposedly looked like, but not Muhammad. When we think of him, we think of light. But when people like you go drawing him, we think of him as that drawing, and that is rather insulting and intolerant. No, it is not good to use violence for reasons like this, but it is intolerant.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 interesting point. Personally when I hear the name muhammed, I picture a phedophile!!! a murdering despot that imposed a religious view by the sword. I know he was also an illiterate, so the idea of an ignorant peasant that drove sheep is what I imagine.. makes me fun to thing that muslim believe he had a flying horse that took him for a chat with allah.
So, in reality, if you have a strong enough imagination, you could only think about muha as a zeus like person... despite the facts
lapiz1969 1 year ago
@lapiz1969 Your society taught you that saying stupid things like that will get Muslims to kill and yell at you. I will prove that is a Lie. It was proven that our prophet married Aishia when she was at the least 19, according to the same history you use against us. Yes our prophet was an illeterate, but that does not make him unintelligent, he just was not educated to read or write. Most people during that time period were not litterate. It was not a commong thing. Continued:--- -
abuali89 1 year ago
@lapiz1969 Continued-- What does his social status have to do with him? Only brainwashed capitalist westerners say that only the rich are the smart, the great, the wise in history. You should review history from both sides of the table, before you speak with a tongue that God gave you. The point is we do not want to imagine Muhammad as any body, we want to view him as a messenger, a guide, light. We aren't like you who immortalize those who we follow. The "Horse" is metaphorical you fool.
abuali89 1 year ago
@abuali89 and you can "view" him any way you want!!!! but I also have the right to view him the way I choose, your religion, your "god", your messenger or you have NO right to tell me what I can or I can´t do or say.
yes... so convenient to call a methaphor when needed. All religious ideologies do the same...
lapiz1969 1 year ago
Those videos were about freedom of speech moron
smokeak47 1 year ago
Thunderf00t is obviously only talking about the extremists. He's got no problem with normal, everyday Muslims, the kind that are not violent and not trying to destroy free speech.
artman2oo3 1 year ago
@artman2oo3 yes but he also talks about how much he hates religion, which makes him generalize.
Jadamog 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
are there any one left of representativepress subscribers who arent extemeiss left wing or right wing? Or nazi or islamist?? I doubt it
pollesnavegaard43 1 year ago
Oh, so america allows religious freedom? I also believe it allows the freedom of speech! We aren't preventing any muslims from their religion! It is the other way around when they threaten those who aren't muslim with bombs and terrorist acts-but we are just showing we can rise against this tyranny!
gomashedpotatoes 1 year ago
His video was about defending the rights of free speech. His video is NOT out of line. I'll tell you what is out of line & needs to stop yesterday. Muslims or anyone for that matter thinks it's okay to kill or threaten people b/c of their fairytale ideologies. TFs video was a call to war against the enemies of free speech & I for one am on his side. His video was right on the money & is what is called for in this day & age.
Celticking36 1 year ago
@Celticking36 way to say it man!
gomashedpotatoes 1 year ago
Freedom to religion to then take the free speech of the rest of the world?
I don't think so.
If they feel like taking advantage of this right to break the rights of others willfully, i don't believe they should have all rights of their own. They promote hate-speech (they being the extremeists), and we just have to sit back and take it! On your bike mate!
superraiden 1 year ago
In the words of Richard Dawkins, "Don't be polite."
The Western world is done being polite to this kind of religious ignorance. We barely finally get a leash on Christianity over here, following the Renaissance, and now we need to deal with all this Dark Age nonsense all over again. That is what is ridiculous.
I'm not condoning the Iraq war, of course. That was not the Western world, but our rich, corrupt leaders. These Muslims however, are attacking free speech. We can't have that.
Starbat88 1 year ago
You can't tolerate their behavior...
I support thunderf00t 100%. This NEEDS to be done. We NEED to provoke them.
It needs to stop. They need to be confronted. Thunderf00t sees it for what it is!
Cruzharo 1 year ago
@Cruzharo
i agree, but you cannot act as though you yourselves as blameless.
they see western nations as committing war crimes against muslim nations, which indeed has happened, and they feel defensive.
you aren't going to change anything if the entirety of your position is they have no right to be angry enough to threaten.
beachjuicetice 1 year ago
@beachjuicetice And you expect us to do what to stop them?
Yeah there may be 100 million jerkwads in America, capable of crushing every free thinking person here... But we do exist nonetheless..
You think threatening someone totally on your side about everything EXCEPT that religious doctrines are to be considered True and Respected Just Because A Lot Of People Believe It?
Wouldn't moderate Muslims clean their own house If They Could?!?
Money=Evil, Religion=Satiation.
Venus Project
IloveJesusYesId0 1 year ago
just only because you won't stand up for freedom of speech and our other values out of political correctness doesn't mean he can't.
Just ask yourself: would you have the rights you currently have if the west was islamic ?
logibaer100 1 year ago 4
@logibaer100 There are plenty of secular Islamic countries. Educate yourself before opening your mouth
tjohn1986 1 year ago
LOL at the liking and subscribing. Its not political action its so you make a profit... not that there is anything wrong with that except thats its manipulation.
Alpinex105 1 year ago
Wouldn't (by definition) the Age of Reason exclude religious freedom if said freedoms are irrational? You cant be tolerant of everything and being reasonable does not bring to pass all encompassing tolerance.
TasteOfGreen 1 year ago
Why do you not criticize the shock and awe tactics used by Muslims?
82abhilash 1 year ago
"Thunderfoot" (lol) claims he doesn't believe in God yet he never shuts up about him...weird.
BABALAG00SH 1 year ago
@BABALAG00SH Only to a retard would it sound weird.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash - Clever retort...lol "retard" wow how are things down at NASA?
BABALAG00SH 1 year ago
@BABALAG00SH When you get there you will know.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash yawns
BABALAG00SH 1 year ago
@BABALAG00SH Good night, sleep tight.
82abhilash 1 year ago
Sorry I mean "We are not mad"
Hey at least I admit my mistakes.
SomeFA10 1 year ago
@ Thunderf00t's retarded fans. Why are not mad at Thunderf00t because he doesn't agree with Islam. It's because he said he would like to wage war on all on the Muslims. And he compares good Muslims to the bad ones. But like scums you are, you like to ignore that and make up lies instead. Keep supporting Thunderf00t's hate you losers.
SomeFA10 1 year ago
@SomeFA10 Thunderfoot supports freedom of speech unlike most Muslims that I have met. I have always sided with the muslim community in this country when it comes to issues of discrimination. The problem is that Islam is no different from Christianity in its desire to have it both ways. It wants to be able to say really hateful, outrageous things (and in some cases incite violence) without being criticized.
jossman25 1 year ago
@jossman25
Ok what did I just say? I'm not mad at him because he doesn't like Islam, and disagrees with it but because he attacks every Muslim people and says that we are all bad and wants to wage war on us. Please read over my comments again next time. And btw, some Atheists themselves had said that he is censoring their comments and because they are not well known people here, it is easy for him to remove their comments. So yeah he loves freedom of speech allright.
SomeFA10 1 year ago
it occured to me it's more effective to lead than to try to put out the fires started by the seemingly endless supply of vocal super idiots.
although I suppose at times the idiots' remarks can be a talking point on which to lead
DanFrederiksen 1 year ago
¨neglected, how islamic scientists taught westerners about mathematics, astronomy, algebra "al-jabr",¨
Um, arabs had a contribution to science, like all ethnicities. Arabs don´t equal Muslim. Islam actually brought what we call the Islamic world down, Islam rose during the Dark Ages. Or is that just some coincidence.
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
Thanks rep press...thunderf00ts video are just so hypocritical...it's unbelievable
goozbaghali 1 year ago
Interestingly, the south park vid is now unavailable on thunderfoots home page. Draw your own conclusons.
hornetobiker 1 year ago
In Defense of Thunderf00t's videos on Islam
watch?v=Zrvn3nfZ08M
ndyt 1 year ago
@n8glenn Europe isn't majority atheist or anything, it's majority irreligious in some countries. Do you even know what you're talking about?
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople Again, I'm not interested in your little pissing contest. The fact that you don't realize how big of an influence islam had on the enlightenment, how islamic scholars preserved classic texts which europeans had neglected, how islamic scientists taught westerners about mathematics, astronomy, algebra "al-jabr", and how they promoted science and tolerance, you're displaying a high level of ignorance about the enlightenment. Go skim over wikipedia again.
n8glenn 1 year ago
Islamic societies did have some positive contributions to science, some 1000 years ago. Now many are still stuck in some strange 14th century mindset. Sad but true.
TiradeFaction 1 year ago
@TiradeFaction That is nonsense. Iran is developing nuclear power plants, and maybe nuclear weapons, and I have met iranian nuclear engineers, so you're just repeating racist myths.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Man, you got to be the most boring apologist for Islam I´ve encountered yet. You read things off like some sort of ticker tape, complete with sayings like ¨big of an influence islam had on the enlightenment¨ without proving it probably means you´re someone very interested in islam, and going to convert to it, so the bias is already set up and you´re already full of the evangelist bullshit.
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople Yes, you're right, what good is information if it doesn't entertain and enthrall you?!? Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to make grandiose, emotionally charged hitler speeches for you to get worked up into a religious frenzy over, I'm just going to tell you the truth, and if you get bored you can go back to being mesmerized by your demogogue.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Are Irshad Manji and Abdul Rahman committing ¨hate speech¨ when they criticize Islam?
TiradeFaction 1 year ago
@TiradeFaction That is totally irrelevant. It does not matter whether those people (whoever they are) are racists. It has no bearing on whether you or other militant islamophobes are racists.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Yes it does. I use the same critiques these people use (both arabs, and one even a practicing muslim), so am I asking, are both of them racist? It is pretty clear at this point you are dodging my questions.
TiradeFaction 1 year ago
@n8glenn You´re such a spineless coward XD. You can´t even stand up for your own dubious ideas.
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople I constantly defend my views, and furthermore I'm not the one here who is afraid of muslims, and if you don't understand how your own hate is driven by fear, or if you can't comprehend my explanation of my views, then it's not my problem.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn You constantly defend your views yet you can´t even answer a simple question. TiradeFaction certainly has a point, are muslims who criticize Islam´s response and attacks on free speech racist?
Seriously, no wonder your videos get like 60 views at most.
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople Tirade has no point, and no knowledge of the islamic world. If black people criticize other black people, does that mean that when Klansmen talk about black people that it's not racist? Apparently you think so, or you would not be posing as tirade's sock puppet.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn I can´t be expected to hold your hands through everything like you´re in junior high again. Do some research on your own.
And you don´t constantly defend your views. You do try to talk down your opponent, but as shown here and on your pathetic videos, you ignore and censor criticism when it gets too hot, and then stop responding and run away like a big pussy. You can´t even bring yourself to defend your flimsy and uneducated videos, because you´re a big coward :P
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople You're just resorting to insults and childish taunts now, so it looks like I've gotten to you and made you angry. That's your problem, not mine, I will not stoop down to this level. Get back to me when you have a point, instead of just venting frustrations. :)
n8glenn 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople Step back everybody, we've got another internet badass. Big man with a keyboard, coming through!
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn The truth? Lol, you wouldn´t know truth and rationality if it fucked you up the ass and made you bleed.
Go back to telling people they can´t criticize a religion because it will offend people (i.e. you).
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago
@GodHatesYouPeople Your words demean you, but if you want so badly to offend people, go and show the same level of disrespect to any other minority, go and yell "nigger" at black people, go and yell "heil hitler" at jews, after all, it's your right to do so, and when they knock you on your ass and kick the crap out of you, you can tell everyone you're the victim.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Want so badly to offend people? Lulz, you show you are offended. Seriously, nobody cares what you think, so why would I care if you think I demean myself? You demean yourself when you equate criticism to racism and censor counters to it. And lol again at the black person comment, I guess those muslims who attack and enslave Africans don´t count...you are really obsessed with religious criticism being racism. You really suck at being a defender of intolerance.
GodHatesYouPeople 1 year ago