1 - Chick Corea & John McLaughlin Vinnie Colaiuta - Five Peace Band - Rome

[MrAvmitra]

it,s a madness.........,but i like it!!!!!

[u2bbbbbb]

Love JM but don't know this, pardon me but what is the name of this tune?

[Gretchluver1]

I'd rather have a drummer overplaying some incredible stuff than have someone acting as a human drum machine.

[r3ck0rd]

Raju! 

[69MC97gc]

Loud? and you were sitting like what?Loud is what this music is about.John is the one to decide.And believe me have had my ears ----say what.and I have loved it.When Santana played in Stockholm last year  there on the tickets was a message" Since the Authorotiies have decided on a level and this concert´s sound will be above this concert... is allowed to those above 13 years of age only-And they played louder back in 2003!.

[69MC97gc]

Loud? and you were sitting like what?Loud is what this music is about.John is the one to decide.And believe me have had my ears ----say what.and I have loved it.

[Aztec1011]

Whoa whoa kennyyyyyyyyyy

[keo774]

roma dove?

auditorium???

[egyptianminor]

This is great man. With all due respect, to all these great cats out there, about 'Technically skilled but too loud ' it's kinda true man, I've listened/seen to some amazingly technical & grooving drummers, who just seemed to be playing a little too loud for both the ensemble in question and the actual venue. In fact, Tony Williams himself could get a bit too loud at times. Same thing about Herb Graham, Jr. from LA based B Sharp Jazz Quartet.

[marty3699]

@egyptianminor agreed and for the record my opinion too loud=Billy Cobham. Great but too loud for the ensemble

[DiggeLibbe]

holy shit... wonderful

[sxmadrid]

Terrible recording but I bet it brings back memories for some naughty audience member. Saw JM with 4th Dimension last Thurs 6th May in Barca; supremely awesome sublime and brilliant. All I came away with were a couple of lousy stills!

[fireblossom2u]

The sound is being picked up by a cheap camera or a phone. The drums stand out because the recording device is scat. If the mix was right we'd probably still have an argument because hey...we're sensitive people.

[aaaaaa86]

@ArtVandalay666

If you are saying that Vinnie plays really loud and that's his style it means a couple of things:

1st you are not a really good listener

2nd you are judging a top musician

3rd Corea and McLaughlin called him to go on tour and for the CD, maybe they like Vinnie's playing, don't think??

What better judge then them?!?!?

[ArtVandalay666]

Your response means a couple of things:

1.) You arrogantly claim that I am not a good listener simply because I disagree with your assessment of Vinnie's playing

2.) Every opinion of a player is a judgment, good or bad. I made no comment about Vinnie lacking when it comes to technique or technicality. I didn't say he's a bad drummer. He has a certain style, just like every musician does, and that style is compatible with some band and not compatible with others.

[ArtVandalay666]

@aaaaaa86 3.) Of course they hired him because they like him, but that has no bearing whatsoever on my opinion of his playing. I have every right to disagree with their opinion of his playing just like they have every right to not pay one iota of attention to me for doing so.

[ArtVandalay666]

I like Vinnie's playing; I have the live album with him on it and I spin it constantly. I just think Brian Blade is a much more musical drummer. Vinnie plays really loud and show-offy and that's cool, that's what he does that's his style. I'm just questioning if that style is the right fit for this band, especially after hearing Blade's treatment of the tunes.

[aaaaaa86]

to ArtVandalay666

What are you talking about??? Just close your stupid mouth

[ArtVandalay666]

@aaaaaa86 Wow great response. Way to carefully interpret what I said and construct a carefully thought-out responses to it.  Jackass

[lydianflatseven]

if this show came to toronto and i missed it...im going to take my own life.

[RaulGuereca]

toooo loud yeah love vinnie forever

[ArtVandalay666]

The drums are overpowering cause Vinnie just plays too loudly all the time. Check out the vids of the Five Peace Band with Brian Blade on drums; that's how these tunes were meant to sound

[aaaaaa86]

You suck

[samboadie]

@aaaaaa86 haha!! anyone reading these comments can clearly see that you just got owned by ArtVandalay666. admit it.

[aaaaaa86]

@samboadie 

youtube.com/watch?v=BP5vtlPDva­0

[samboadie]

@aaaaaa86

sweet video

[colacolasi]

mamma mia!

[nomeabbuffo]

hello everybody!

all of you said right about the drums but...what about the drummer? I was there that night, in rome and I think that even the drummer was wrong...yes guys! I'm sorry but the truth is that Vinnie really sucks...is always out, he doesn't even know what happens on stage...where are you Vinnie?

[schwoazi]

I also agree, I heared these guys in salzburg and the drums where so fucking loud, it ruined the whole show.

Chick's and John's playing was totally lost against this loud drums...

I had to buy the live double cd to hear the music!

On the live cd it's mixed very well and now I more and more regret the bad sound in the concert it could have been much better!

[tiluriso]

Is it just my impression , or is JM playing in-line, w/o stage amps?

[cromagmax]

I agree with everyone who says VC plays too fucking loud...he always has, and frankly, although I'm a drummer, I don't think his shit is interesting enough to ruin the rest of the music. Music first, chops etc last.

[lydianflatseven]

eat shit

[1Delta]

man, Mclaughlin is sounding better than ever.

[NartMakhsida]

@1Delta : As always..

[dapunkof1975]

I love how John comps for other musicians

[mulotwo]

I wish I'd be there ! Great musicians, great live performance !

[indaplace2b]

A few more things. In reguards to my comments about Kenny not able to construct . You said "Not leaving any room to construct? This ain't straight ahead! " LOL. A solists job is to tell a story reguardless of what music he is playin. Thats just dumb. As i said the problem here is DRUMMERS are the ones getting emotional here because they wanna hear Vinne's "great chops" & everyone else should shut the fuk up cause its the VINNE show right? Who cares what anyone else in the band is playing lol

[3shiftgtr]

indaplace2b-Your comments reek of a straight ahead player confused by fusion. You obviously dig KG, who doesn't normally play really aggressive fusion. (He truly is a great!) Here VC is contouring his ideas w/McBride primarily: a standard fusion rhythm section construct. In straight ahead, the bass is usually hammering 8ths or qtrs, so the drummer has more room to respond to the soloist. They are playing appropriate to the genre. And Kenny is on top, and is telling his story with them.

[1luvdrums]

i play drums and i actually agree with you, its music thats important.

[indaplace2b]

Im wondering if the people claiming Vinnie isnt overplaying are all drummers who probabaly dont care what the other guys are playing and wanna see their man let rip.?? I think hes to fuking loud and he is over playing....As horn player i'd hate to play with him. He didnt give Kenny any room to construct his solo and all i can hear is drums ... Theres only one dynamic i can hear and thats LOUD. I would have prefered to hear Dennis Chambers because he has a greater sense of dynamics.

[3shiftgtr]

indaplace2b-Oh c'mon! What was this recorded on, a phone? And why isn't "aggressive" in your bag? Anyone who talks about Coltrane's 60's out stuff said they were LOUD! I've seen vids where Elvin is DESTROYING THE RIDE! Not leaving any room to construct? This ain't straight ahead! What about around 6:00? Kenny's leading the way! You are imposing your player's ear on what you are hearing...think context, man. A fusion gig recorded on a phone, and you don't hear dynamics....sheesh.

[indaplace2b]

Hmmm recorded on a phone? I have five bootlegs of this band in different settings recorded with good sound. not hard to find on the net. 3 with Vinnie 2 with Brian Blade. While i would say blade didnt suit the context. i have to say my opinion on Vinnie's playing hasnt just come this vid. Kenny Is known for using great drummers. Your remarks on Elvin Jones and Trane are just silly. Ys Elvin played loud but so did fuking Trane. thats how they fed off eachother you could always hear trane clearly.

[3shiftgtr]

indaplace2b-My remarks about Elvin and Trane are silly? How? YOU said VC is too loud. So are you saying Kenny isn't playing loud enough here? Garrett is mic'd with a monitor! How do you know what it sounds like on stage? As a performer, you HAVE to recognize that stage sound and out front are two different things! Look for mic placement on those Coltrane vids: often near JC, not Elvin. YOU said there's no room to "construct". Are you saying that Kenny didn't "construct" his solo here?

[RaulGuereca]

yeah i think the same

[petealk12]

most of yall arent worthy of saying nothing about the mans playing..

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO SOMETHING OR SOME ONE ELSE..

p.s Brian Blad is a great great drummer but wrong style of music for him..Gary Husband, Keith Carlock, Dennis Chambers, Steve Smith, Marvin "smitty" Smith are more suited for this genre of music..

[thelonerangers101]

couldnt agree more

[petealk12]

oh boy im never seen the word "overplaying" used so much in my entire life....listen to the band and then maybe all band members are "overplaying"..people, stop being jealous and envious of the greatest drummer and ya asses down behind a fucking drumset and Practise..This is FUSION MUSIC people..FUSION MUSIC..u wanna hear straight 4's go listen to kenny G..because most cant do or achieve a high level of musicianship please dont try and critique..

[canyonkafer]

Even if Vinnie is overplaying, it's still a lot more enjoyable than Weckl.

[argensbag]

Yea, I think he is moving the piece {peace} along. cant wait to see these guys in April in NYC

[martinthegnome]

I didn't think you could overplay during jazz fusion sessions. in my experience in a jam its all about the moment and if the group feels that someone is going beyond what is required the players will imply it to the musician going over.

Honestly I don't see any or hear any hints for VC to pull back at all in this piece. Now I know that to each their own, but like the previous commenter posted, this ain't smooth jazz.

At this level of play its entirely possible to miss the player's point.

[3shiftgtr]

Overplaying? This is freaking Corea and Mcglaughlin! This ain't smooth jazz! Overplaying is context specific. Vinnie's playing here is absolutely appropriate. In this context, he is perfect. How correct would it be if he just laid down a backbeat, and kept the pocket solid? That's not what this is about. It is about group communication at the highest level of ability. And sometimes that means chops. Big ears, big chops.

[gm2316]

Totaly agree with you dude.A lot of people would give anything to have this guys' talent.

[JonP1961]

when you're on the highway doing 90MPH with everyone else the same, it looks like everyone's just cruisin' along nicely.

just don't pay too close an attention to the stationary objects. they're not going anywhere anyways ;)

heck, Mahavishnu left overplaying back at the gate, when Vinnie wasn't even a fetus....

it's all good :)

this is an all out jam fest. and it looks like they're ALL having fun..

my mantra about musicians:

Stop making a contest out of it.

[3shiftgtr]

nice jonp1961, nice...

[NickDuvet]

I think the points about overplaying are well made. If you are drummer, you can't help but admire Vinnie. But if you have ever seen him play, and I have several times, you know he can sometimes overplay. That is what makes him special. He's one of the few guys that constantly test themselves against the limits. I would add that I saw Brian Blade playing with the Five Peace band and he was as good, if not better, than Vinnie.

[iasonasdemetriou]

overplaying is what you get when the finest decide to play. there are fans in the audience for each particular musician, they all produce what they feel to be an appropriate amount of attack to suit the hungry fans, no musician in particular should be critisized amongst these giants.

[dannandereggg]

I'm sick and tired of hearing idiots say:"i think vinnie's overplaying"..like some like JM or CC would need you to tell them..."hey guys..your drummer is overplaying..." DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH you're talking the best here...if they don't want him to overplay..he don't okay? Because your brain can't handle polyrythms and freestyle impros..don't get into a hiss fit..just get a musical education...listen to a little fz for a while..decondition that brain of yours...

[SurrealisticElectro]

Long Live Five Peace Band!!!!!

[olafsax]

Kenny - my MAN!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oneness100]

I love Vinnie, but he is overplaying.

[utubeissad]

I didn't think anyone would have the balls to say that! THANK YOU!! Every drummer wants to suck Vinnie's dick.

[Oneness100]

well, everyone has their opinion. My opinion is that he is overplaying as for the other comment, I don't believe that statement.

[jacs91]

Well, I see what you mean, he did go a little overboard in this one, but hey, as always, vinnie makes it sound at ease with the atmosphere they want.

[isaacvelasquez31]

five peace or piece?

[thelonerangers101]

peace, as in Peace. Play on words :P

[steveey251]

agreed! wooo

[rongstmj]

Kenny Man, Holy Shit!!!