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  • 1:33? thats the lap record??? just for this class right?

  • he lied they shortened the transmission to make it accelerate faster gave it a new suspension set up and they gave a new bigger wing for more downforce

  • The acr got the record here,and the nurburgring so nuff said!

  • i will buy viper ACR ,, did you advice me guys or not ???? im serious

  • Laguna is nothing like the Ring, The ring is very very fast, Laguna seca is a track that the viper doesn't even hit 4th gear except once on the back stretch. I guess all road courses are like the Nurburgring by this guys rational. Anyway, Im surprised they haven't shortened this car by now. Long wheel base equals difficult turn in. Thats why the old Audi Quattros from the eighties handle so well, very short wheelbase. This car would be amazing if it was about two feet shorter. Still fast though.

  • @eraseyouu

    Well maybe a foot, not two feet.

  • @eraseyouu You can't just shorten a car lol, you know how big a Viper engine is?

  • wat was the lap time? the thing said 93. something, that didn't make sense to me, isn't it suppose to be a minute so & so or 2 minutes somrthing seconds?

  • What are you talking about?ACR is a GREAT CAR!!!

  • Those pisky FACTS are at it again.

  • nsx's are for poor people who cant afford a v10

  • NSX cost 85k buddy and they are making a v10 NSX FOR 2011 LOOK IT UP

  • @devilishere1988 For 2011? It hasn't even came out in concept form yet. If they do make one, it won't be for 2011.

  • everyone seems to think your wrong mr2ya and your a "REAL car guy"? sounds to me your a fanboy yourself

  • They sound so enthused... Not.

  • but i still dont know what the laptime was, does anyone know?

  • 1. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:33 Edition (Revised gearing, shifter, wing) 1:33.92 138 ´10 608hp / 1536 driven by Chris Winkler

    Thats copy and pasted.

    3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:35.117 136 ´08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend

    was the first lap recorded.

    BTW, modded Evos and other cars have done mid high 1:20's.

  • Thanks! I must be missing something though, What record did this car beat then? Which category is it in?

  • NO offense, but can you read?

    And oops, i made a mistake, theirs only been a time attack HKS Evo or 2 go 1:28-29, but that car is a little more extreme than what i was talking about, the Fx500 Nsx did 1:31 in 2007 when it was more of a street car, and it only had 500hp then.

    Note: the ACR supposedly does around 600whp instead of 600bhp.

  • i must be mistaken but this record the ACR beat, is it it's own then? cuz u said urself there are some faster times done by essentially street, lightly modified cars such as the the Nsx which seems to me are in the same "league" as the ACR.. I'm sorry if i'm being a bit dumb on this one, lol

  • Well i never said "lightly modded" and i wouldn't consider this ACR "lightly modded" either, considering whats been added to it compared to the Stock Viper.

    #2 on the list is a Devon, and from i understand its a Viper frame and engine with someone elses body design.

    As for the Nsx being in the same league, it really was at one time but they've done more to the car since the 1:31 and it didn't come from the factory like that so people are going to put it in its on class.

  • But technically its the same parts doing the same job, so i dont really care who bolted the parts on in order to claim it stock.

  • only a highly modded NSX could even come close to a production stock ACR.

  • I suppose so..

  • Hey stalker boy, the NSX at the time wasn't as modded as it is now, and it had 500Whp which is less than the ACR,

    And beating the ACR by 2 seconds is not winnning how? 1:33 vs 1:31, you must have failed simple 1st grade math huh?

    And telling the truth is not stupid, its the way it is, so get over it, and learn how the world really works.

    And considering the GTR has NO coilovers, adjustable wings or splitters, etc. that IS pretty close.

    But ONLY a REAL car guy would know that, not FANBOYS.

  • is this record about straight line speed?? is that all?

  • ummm what? This is about the laguna seca lap record, as you can see the first 50 seconds of the video. How could you even watch this video and ask if its about a straight line speed.

  • take that GT-R

  • Man, the GTR is barly slower and doesn't have these adjustable race parts, So take that ACR.

    oh and the GTR is cheaper too.

  • dude shut the fuck up you just keep talkin out your ass

  • WTF? how am i talking out of my ass if thiers Video proof of what im saying?

    How am i talking out of my ass if Viper owners agree with me?

    How am i talking out of my ass if the number CAN NOT LIE?

    in other words, FUCK YOU! and learn something before accusing others of what you are doing.

  • I've graduated from wyotech blairsville, im an auto tech and I've taken shop management courses. You are right in that the ACR is just a viper with aftermarket parts on it, and making it a production car, so it is nothing new engineering wise. But the constant bickering sounds like a bunch of retards that dont understand context

  • Im sure it does sound retarded to walk in and only read a few of the comments, sometimes i get carried away a bit, but it does get annoying when somebody questions you or trys to call you out on something that if they were real auto enthusiast or understoud anything about cars, and the auto aftermarket, they never would have argued or said anything in the first place.

  • A LOT of automakers are starting to do this though. Look at the new Lamborghini SV. They just strapped a wing on it and its the fastest Lamborghini ever.

  • The Acr is far more than a wing alone, nobody that i know of has gone to these lengths on a adding adjustable track parts.

  • @xxMafia101 I thought the wing reduced top speed to 209?

  • four seconds per lap is "barely faster"-i see youre displaying your stupidity everywhere.

  • BTW, more than that NSX have gone faster than the ACR, so you lose, Agian and agian and again, makes me wonder why you ever talk or say anything about anything, and isn't their someone else you need to be stalking?

  • These records are for production cars, which means out of the factory not like time attack ricer shows. The nsx is crap by all standards now. It's sad when a ford focus rs can beat your production time around the nurburgring. It's true look it up.

  • ROFL! cause the Standerd viper was slower than the Nsx at the ring.

    ROFL! when the time attack cars HAVE ALL THE same parts as the ACR it kinda makes it even, it doen't MATTER who bolts the parts on, cause their the SAME PARTS.

    And funny how the facts get thumbed down when you dont like them.

    + FANBOYS dont point out facts, they just make up shit or tell it like they want it.

  • ACR= Dodge Viper with aftermarket style, adjustable race parts, making it not new or special, as Viper owners have done this for years.

    Furthermore, other cars with even less power can do this with results, in some cases, even better than the ACR making it REALLY not new or special.

    If you get mad at this it is not my fault, and im not sure why the TRUTH would piss anybody off. Get over it.

  • @mr2ya What are you talking about? Other cars with even less power can do this with even better results? Just shut up and like the engineering excellance.

  • WTF? are you kidding? i've already posted or directed you asshats to a Civic with 240whp and these same adjustable race style parts, running .1second slower than this car, 1:55.7 ACR 1:55.8 for the Civic.

    "Engineering excellance" LAMO! bolting universal, adjustable, aftermarket style race parts on a stock viper has NOTHING to do with Engineering, SO you STFU!

    The Evo's etc. are even FASTER then the Civic or the ACR, still with less power then the ACR, making it NOTHING.

  • @mr2ya While a civic will always be a little rice burner with no power and the ACR will always be cool. I think just about everyone who had the choice between the two would pick the ACR. try again.

  • ROFL! @ xxMafia101, its not about that, its about fast, and the civic in question is just as fast, car was bought and built for $15K including the price of the car.

    try again.

    BTW its not even about that, as i also said Viper owners have bolted these parts on their older Vipers with the same and sometimes better results than this ACR, further proving my point that the ACR is nothing New or special, get over it.

  • Winning an internet argument is like winning the Special Olympics. In the end, you're still retarded.

  • Yeah and going around using that same line on every vid you see is retarded in it's self.

    Maybe you should come up with a new saying.

  • all i know is, as soon as that new McClaren comes out they are both screwed

  • Viper owners have long used these parts found on the ACR in order to run these times, so how is it new, because Dodge bolted the parts on?

  • @VettesR4Pussys hehe so true but what was the SRT4 neon except what people had all ready been doing to less chubby first gen Neons? Its kinda cool that Chrysler pays that kind of attention to what people do with their cars.

  • @VettesR4Pussys On the same token Vette owners have been putting superchargers on their cars to run faster so what is so different about the ZR1? Its new because Chevy put it on?  In other words quit trying to demean the fact that it is fast around the track, its like you're knocking them for putting parts on the car that will make it fast.

  • respect to the viper because it can go strait and turn fast. is simple in quality and engeniering just like race car but have a big heart.

  • the best car made by america!

  • you cant asume its the best car america ever built till you match it to a corvette zr1

  • Go away you fucking fan boy. The ACR walks all over the ZR1 in so many ways.

  • im no fuckin fanboy you god damn retard, all i said is put it against the zr1, because right now they say the zr1 is the car to beat in america, so go get your facts straight, and then come back, have a good day

  • the ACR is much more of a street car than a Radical. it has a radio & A/C (unless you have the hardcore package), airags, sound insulation. the ride is really not much worse than the standard SRT-10. trust me, I have riden in one. they had one at Huntington Beach Dodge by were i live. i have pics if nobody believes me either. but anyways. the ACR has the best of both, street drivability, and race track settings. its adjustable for both. th

  • dam thats fast

  • @mr2ya You say a lot w/o really saying anything at all.

    Sounds like this car butthurt someone...

  • nice car dude

  • i dont know if you can say a mini nurburgring, my reason is the nurburgring is way longer, i mean a good time is anything under 8 min and soon that will be anything under 730. also the nurburgring like he say has blind corners and turns but it is also vary narrow. what i am saying is, run her at nurburgring lol

  • The 2010 ACR Viper IS a stock car. According to Wikipedia the basic definition of a stock car is: "the term stock car came to mean any production-based automobile used in racing. This term is used to differentiate such a car from a race car, a special, custom-built car designed only for racing purposes."

  • Wikipedia facts, are supposed facts writin by idiots who make posts on Youtube, so thats as credable as FOX news.

    This car is stock and i hope you didn't think i said different, but it is just a Viper with adjustable aftermarket STYLE parts bolted on it, used for the purpose of going to the track, is it IS KNOWN as a track day car, even says Dodge.

    + you can take any car, some with even less power, bolt these parts on and kill this ACR, making it nothing NEW or SPECIAL.

  • Please tell me what stock car you can just bolt these parts onto and kill this ACR? And explain how you see anything on this car as aftermarket.

  • Please explain how aftermarket STYLE STYLE STYLE parts is aftermarket parts, read what i say, not what you think i said.

  • As i i already stated, that Civic had these parts and was only .1 sec behind it, so you do the math on what could be faster.

  • im sorry, i didn't know i was talking to a 10 year old that understands NOTHING about all this crap works.

  • dude you've got real issues...the fact is this is the FASTEST PRODUCTION car.

  • I really hate hard heads..

  • I really hate Morons who try and defend something that even if the Viper owners have said the same thing.

  • Not to mention, if daily driven, the tires on this car would wear out in about 1-2 months, maybe less.

    So its not exaclty meant for the daily grind.

  • wow ur an idiot.

    These tires can be daily driven you fool. I don't know what ur beef is with dodge or the viper but its making you biased as hell.

    The only real weakness these tires have is that they can't be driven in cold weather lest u lose control.

    U probably think a honda civic could take it on the track, dont u?

    Go back to school japcrap lover.

  • Wow, ur a real MORON!

    These tires will wear out in 2 months or less says EVERYONE who has tires like this, so argue with them.

    They have a treadwear of 60! and if you dont know what that means stop talking.

    And i have nothing against Dodge or the Viper, but Idiots thinking this car has done something NEW IS RETARDED seeing that Viper owners have used these parts FOR YEARS with the same results.

    And guess what FAG, i already posted PROOF of a Civic with these parts only being .1second behind.

  • Something new? Show me another car for this price thats this fast from the factory.. Exactly, there is none, there is no other. Doing something that's never been done before is usually considered new. Not sure how .1 seconds behind equates to killing the viper but ok. Though of course, sticky tires will wear quick, that's a given, but that doesn't discard it from being a daily driver. That's like bitching because a super car gets 3mpg.

  • WERE DID I SAY IT COULDN"T BE DAILY DRIVEN?

    And given the fact that the Civic is FWD and would be the lowest on the list of cars that could do this, I FIGURED you could somehow deduce that an EVO or Even a Viper could do the same or better, but i guess not.

    Viper owners have used these parts long before the ACR and have gotten the same or better numbers, So, the ACR is nothing special.

    The civic was built and bought for $15k, so it couldn't have had too much.

  • This little convo is getting absolutely nowhere. It's common knowledge you can take a cheap car and make it fast, just like you can take an expensive car and make it faster.

  • Yeah. And tires will wear out really fast if you do a 30 second burnout with it also. You honestly think that ACR owners will really care? They will be beating the piss out of the car anyway. Try and think of another way to bash this car. Just try.

  • WTF are you talking about, im not bashing anything.

    I didn't say it couldn't be daily driven, But you would wear the tires out very quickly if you did, and even if your rich, $2000 every two months or less, would kinda suck.

  • Then seems you better not be buying a car with sticky tires then hm? Traction up, life down. HP up, mpg down. Always some trade offs.

  • Great, than you had nothing to say or argue about, so why did you?

    All that i was ever saying is that even Viper owners have used these universal Tunable parts on their cars, getting the Same results as this ACR for years now, so this ACR is nothing NEW or SPECIAL, and that was my whole point from the start. You taking it all the wrong way as if i was bashing this car is what pissed me off.

  • Don't get pissed off now lol. But the reason its special, and new is because it comes built like this, no other car will touch it on the track from the factory. Just like the Veyron when it came out, it was special because it did 253, but LPE built a C4 vette in the 90s that did 254.

  • Dude, it is not special or NEW considering Viper owners have long used these UNIVERSAL tunable parts to do the same thing. Noone in their right mind cares if the parts were bolted on by Bob or Dodge, its still the SAME thing.

    And No car can touch it? you mean except for ALL the other cars that are faster right?

    That sledge hammer was NOT road legal, and the Blitz Jun Nissan 300Zx did 262mph and still holds the Production class record at Bonnivile, and that was done in 1991.

  • I'm not sure how many times I can say it, around a track there aren't any cars faster from the factory than this.

    How the hell do you figure it wasn't road legal. The WHOLE purpose of building the sledge hammer was to do over 250 and still be able to be a daily driver, they drove it to and from the track. And you know good and well that records been broken.

  • When you're 2 cars behind screaming "but MINE IS STOCK" noone is going care or even hear you.

  • I'd like to know what car that is >.>

  • Hmmm, Atom, Radical, McLaren F1, Gumpart Appolo, and ofcourse any car that is pretty fast stock then bolt these universal, tunable parts on it and BAM there you go, and like i said "but mine is stock" is going to mean nothing, when you lose.

    ACR= Nothing NEW or Special, as it has been done before, even by Viper owners, says everyone including Viper owners,

    Everyone that knows about cars or tuning them anyway.

  • Ok.. the take this and the Atom to the ring and the Atom will get ripped. The Radical isn't a street car, can't even get over speed humps, which is why it's in it's on class on the list of ring times. The McLaren F1 was a good handling car back then, but by todays standards doesn't handle that well at all, though not bad, nothing close to this watch some tests.

  • LMAO! yep the radical is just as much of a street car as the ACR, im sorry you're in denial about that.

    As for the Mclaren F1, it did 7:11 at the ring, not bad comparing it to todays standerds ahh, ROFL!

    As to the Atom, a turbocharged version did 7:01 at the ring, so somebody got ripped or maybe even raped, LOL!

    And now for the Appolo, The base model, as you called it, has less power but the exterior is the same, so that made no sense.

  • There you go, The Gumpart Appolo, the base model is just like the normal viper So I suppose they did the same things? Bolted on aftermarket parts to it? splitter wing and defuser?

    Its one of the fastest and apparently the fasest car from the factory on the track, and on top of nothing aftermarket you cannot despute that. I'm done with this, a pointless descussion.

  • Once again. WHERE DID I SAY THE PARTS WERE AFTERMARKET?

  • "This car is stock and i hope you didn't think i said different, but it is just a Viper with adjustable aftermarket STYLE parts bolted on it, used for the purpose of going to the track"

    Taken straight from you

  • Exactly, im glade you posted that, now do you see how GD dumb you are?

    I mean really, if your going to post something to try and prove something i said, you'd think you find something showing what you were saying. their i go giving you too much credit again, oh well, better luck next time.

  • You asked to see where you said the parts where aftermarket, I showed where you did, wasn't to try and prove anything, just to show.

  • Exactly, so PLEASE, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THEY WERE ACTUAL AFTERMARKET PARTS. you cant, because i never said that.

    So you lose today, just like you lost the first day, makes me wonder why you ever made ANY comment at all.

    Can you read? or comprehend what you read? seems like NO.

  • Just ignore your own words I guess.

  • ROFL! nah, you're the one ignoring my words, maybe you should learn what some words mean.

    Anyway, please find where i said the ACR had ACTUAL AFTERMARKET PARTS.

    Good luck, you're going to need it.

  • Nah, no point in digging back into comments to once again pull something you said back up, first you said find one thing, I found it, now you want me to find something else lol, your twisted.

  • Nope, Im still asking you to find the same EXACT thing you said that i said, which i didn't, so yeah, you're wasting your time trying to find something i NEVER said.

    Do you some how, in your weird delusional world, think that Aftermarket STYLE parts means ACTUAL NAMEBRAND AFTERMARKET PARTS? because it doesn't, and again, i didn't know i was talking to a ten year old, so i didn't know it was necessary to stress the word STYLE, i gave you FAR TOO MUCH credit i guess.

    Ohwell, you lose again.

  • >.> Your still going on with this.. just give up

  • Nah, i dont need to give up, i already won.

    So maybe you should be the one giving up.

    Do you some how, in your weird delusional world, think that Aftermarket STYLE parts means ACTUAL NAMEBRAND AFTERMARKET PARTS? because it doesn't.

  • It seems you have a different definition of aftermarket parts, style parts don't serve functional purposes, they're just that, for style. But again, I'm not continuing on with this pointless argument, as I said just give up.

  • It seems you have no idea how to talk or how the english language works.

    I didn't say style parts, like look at my stylish parts YOU GODDAMN IDIOT, i said aftermarket STYLE PARTS like they look aftermarket but were made by dodge so their not, i mean jesus christ, thiers no way on gods green earth you are this retarded.

    Ohwell, why would i give up when i've already won.

    Remember bolting aftermarket Style parts on a car to make it faster is NO BIG DEAL considering Viper owners already did that.

  • I really don't understand why your still going on about this...

  • So you're just going omit the word STYLE STYLE STYLE STYLE STYLE or pretend to not know what that meant, i guess you really are 10yrs old, damn, im sorry kiddo, leave the car talk to grown folks.

  • lol, yea.. there's no getting through to you I see times up.

  • You know what, FUCK YOU for arguing against common sense and what HAS BEEN PROVEN.

    The ACR is nothing special since other cars can use these same parts and beat it.

  • Why such language? And you've yet to show me a car that can beat it just by adding tires, splitter and wing. That civic has a little bit more done to it than just that, you know this.

  • umm the tires are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup...they wont be wearing out anytime soon douche bag. very much so a STOCK daily driver.

  • Umm ROFL! NOOB, they have a treadwear of 60, thats 60, FUCKING 60!

    You can drive it daily but will need tires every month or two depending on how and where you drive it.

  • What is truly AWESOME is this ACR Vipers lap time @ Buttonwillow cw13 is 1:55.7.

    A modded FWD Civic with about 240whp and all the same aero parts busted a 1:55.8, making this ACR nothing special @ all.

    Oh and so NO " he spent 200k on modding that civic" BS, the guy bought and built the Civic for 15k, including the price of the car.

    Oh and so no other BS, the vids right here on Youtube, so chew on that.

  • It's the fastest production car around a track, bar none, give it up. It's very easy to make a stripped out 1700lbs car on slicks run around a track quick, it's like a little go cart lol.

  • LOL! i knew somebody would make up something to try and defend this.

    The car was on the same sort of tires this Viper runs, street legal TREADED DOT tires.

    1700lbs, i doubt it, more like 2000lbs.

    and how bad do you feel that a little 30mpg, 4 banger go cart can beat your purpose built street legal race car?

    all this proves is these race parts on this car is what does the time, NOT THE CAR.

  • Its the fastest production car when faster cars dont show up, maybe, but other than that....

  • Production, I suppose I should add stock then.

  • LOL! because adding aftermarket, tunable parts, aslong as the manufactuer bolts them on, is really a "stock car".

    The facts are, these same parts bolted on many other stock cars, even with less power, are as fast and some MUCH faster than this, making this nothing special at all, in a realistic world that is.

    Incorperating the downforce etc. into the design and build of the car, like the Enzo is much different than bolting such parts on a stock vehicle.

  • Feels to me that you fail to see that everything on and that is this car isn't aftermarket, it's no more aftermarket than the CCX's tunable suspension, or the the 911GT3 RS. Of course you can bolt on pieces to other cars and make them as fast or faster, shit HPEbolted on turbo's and made the veyron look like a bitch.

  • What you fail to see, is adding aftermarket STYLE, TUNABLE parts to a stock car to make it faster is one thing, building and designing the car around the Aerodynamics and incorperating them into the body structure is ENTIRELY different.

    Adjusting the height or setting the shocks between 3 settings is not the same as fully adjustable coilovers.

    Fully adjustable, canerds, lips, wings, and diffusers, IS NOT the same as having a unadjustable factory rear wing ONLY.

  • I'm am totally failing to see what your trying to get at. Its a stock car, whys it so hard for you to understand that? The GTR spec v comes with a wing and splitter, though it's still stock. Your saying that because dodge added a few things to it it's no longer stock? like because chevy added a supercharger to the normal cobalt as well as suspension it's not stock?

  • What are you like 10yrs old or something? you seem to have the comprehension of a 10yr old, so thats my guess.

    I never ONCE said it wasn't stock, since Dodge bolted the parts on, it is stock, BUT! it is adjustable, tunable race parts, not incorperated into the build of the car, LIKE BOLT ON AFTERMARKET PARTS, which they basically are.

    Making the car itself, NOTHING! and extremely UNSPECIAL.

    Meaning i can bolt these parts on ANY car and make it faster.

    Find where i said it wasn't stock.

  • >.> You can take the wing of the gumpert apollo and adjust it for more or less down force, same with the front splitter, does that therefore make the parts aftermarket?

  • Seriously, if you dont know the difference stop talking.

    This is common consensus about this car, even from the Viper guys.

  • Are you under some childlike impression that fixed position parts are the same as adjustable race parts?

    learn something and stop commenting.

    Viper owner: "why would i buy an ACR when i can buy and bolt all these parts on myself, for less"

  • So your under the usumption because the parts are tunable, they are therefore bolt on aftermarket parts? These parts are made by dodge for the dodge viper, nothing about them are aftermarket. They're no more aftermarket than another company bolting Brembo breaks with a break bias controller in the car. It's always true you can by a slow car and make it faster, what makes it special is its already here. I could have sworn aftermarket where parts added after the fact by others

  • Seriously, why do you keep saying things that im not saying?

    I didn't know you were a kid that wouldn't understand and didn't think i needed to specify aftermarket STYLE parts.

    I know, Dodge built and copied some aftermarket parts, bolted them on a Viper and called it new.

  • It was straight out of the factory!

  • Not impressed. At the end of the day it's just a K-car with a RAM engine.

    Chrysler needs to just die already.

  • @radioattack

    no at the end for the day is a good US car that corners.

    Don't hate.

  • you need to shut the hell up go drive your shit jap car

  • My favorite car veen viper since i was a kid... and always was about looks and power ...and now its about traction lol

  • i'd like to see what the LF-A can do around laguna

  • I doubt it can beat the ACR. It weights just a little less but it doesn't have the torque nor the HP to match it.

  • yeah it might suck coming onto a straight, but it will have a advantage in the corners if it can keep the rev's up.

  • Definitely. I guess we'll have to see, who knows, they might have some kinda crazy stability control like the GT-R did and beat everything using it.

  • GT-R doesn't corner fast due to its stability control, it corners fast thanks to its rear torque-vectoring differential and it's still the only supercar featuring it, but not the only car in the world with this tech.

  • lol yeah I've heard of it. Crazy shit man.

  • gm race cobalt will smash this Record.

  • How come when I pause it at :41, the clock goes from 95:044 to 93:944 after the Viper passes by?.... weird.

  • it is weight motion sensors, the clock runs till the first amount of pressure is applied. So the clock ran till 95.044 but the first amount of pressure was applied at 93.944

  • Alright that makes sense. Thanks!

  • hahaha... Viper acr ... hahaha breaks the record.... lol does everyone have to be that excited??? its only a viper... its just matter of right car on the right track and right driver, if some one put a veyron or koenigsegg ccr x ....... on the track its going to crush the record!!!! and they are still production car!!!!!!!!

  • dont u think it was tested?

  • The Veyron is actually a terrible handling car. It weighs well over 4,000lbs.

  • It's very far from terrible handling, but nobody has balls to turn the traction control off and drive it at the limit.

  • then lets put a really nice handling with high power and still a production car on the track!!!! like many other cars!!!!!.....................­.........

    R8 V10,599GTB, lp-640, ultimate aero, S7........they are still production car!!!

  • Well considering the Viper ACR has beaten all those cars around the Nurburgring, I would imagine they would have a tough time beating it.

    Of course I wouldn't mind watching a LP-640 lap Laguna Seca. :)

  • And WHY THE HELL is Dodge getting rid of the Viper?

    Just spin ALL of the Viper works off into a separate company and let the car be FREE!!!

  • a separate company with only one model? Well actually the Chevy Corvette is a stand alone company in Europe - called Corvette. So it might work, but there are rumors that it won't die out completely.

  • Rumors are only a Condemned mans last wish ... I would have loved to see SOMEONE buy it lock stock and barrel but no one did.

    They could call a separate company DRV (Dodge Racing Vehicles) and slowly put out world class race cars for professionals and wanna-be's ! It doesn't just have to be the Viper.... the Viper could just be the start.

  • isn't that what the SRT is? The tuning company the picks up where the mopar racing division left off? im suprised people dont buy many Jeep. Shit id take one (especially the GC SRT8) over the shitbox hummers and land/range rovers.. I mean "luxury SUV" originally built for offroading?? talk about overcompensating for a small dick!!

  • Not really SRT is more like a package level you can buy for specific car models. The Jeep has lost it's luster, back in the day it was the BIG military civilian car but now Hummer has that mark. Bigger engines and BIGGER vehicles is what it was ALL about. Jeep needs a model that doesn't rely on the traditional JEEP frame. They've had some cool concepts but never followed through.

  • Aren't they just like SVT for ford?

  • When SVT was in the 80's it was pretty independent, the SVT Mustang was a hell of a four cylinder monster. But I'm not up to date as to what SVT has come up with lately. Seems like most of these special divisions have become just another special performance package instead of a supplier of limited edition performance models. I think the VIper ACR has the best chance of being an independent super car manufacturer if Dodge would set it free.

  • You mean the SVO Mustang, right? The first SVT Mustang was in 1993 and it was a 5.0L V8.

  • yeah... SVO preceded SVT by a few years.

  • I'm lost to how it could do that, its still a viper, that's like Nissan letting the GTR spec V go because of the spec V. They had an ACR a ways back that did the same, was just a better tuned viper that dodge put out and tacked ACR on the end. The comp coupe is the only one I could see stepping away.

  • Either Dodge lets it go free or they follow through with dumping the entire line. Which would suck.

    Dodge doesn't have the ability to carry the VIPER any more. With the Fiat merge they are going to focus on changing the branding.

  • 9.4 liter engine and only 600hp ?

  • I think its actually 8.4 if that makes you feel any better.

  • it is 8.4 but i agree with you bmw manages to make 500hp out of a 5L V10 and these guys need an extra 3.4L to get the 100hp more.

  • BMW engines are all very high tech and are more prone failure. The reason Dodge uses bigger engines is because it's much cheaper to get big power out of a big block. BMW can afford to charge a higher price for their products while Dodge can't. Also the bigger the engine components, the lower the RPMs = longer durability and greater torque.

  • These engines are hardly even close to their limits. Hence why there are 1,500hp+ Vipers.

  • You're talking about forced induction, in no way can this engine that started its life in a tractor produce 1,500 hp withouth turbos.

  • Of course with forced induction. Hell the only engines I know of that can make 1500hp N/A are GM LSX engines.

  • Roush can too

  • NOT even close to 1500hp N/A for the LS anything engines.

    People like you give the LS engines a bad name, with your extreme lies and exaggerations.

    around 1500 is the limit TURBO'D for an LSX or a sleeved LS block.

  • You are correct. I thought the comment said 1,000hp not 1,500.

    Oh and 1,500 is not the limit for a turbo'd LSX engine. Check Nelson Racing for proof.

  • You are correct. I thought it said 1,000hp not 1,500hp. Got a bit confused for a second.

    However, there are engines making more than 1,500hp turboed. Check Nelson Racing for proof.

  • gm made a twin turbo LSX with 2,000 hp. The engine builder said he could get more out of it if he tuned the Boost up

  • The aluminum LSX bock is limited to about 1500hp, says GM and the people who build them.

    You need the Iron version to do more than that.

    The engine builder you're talking about is full of shit, if he was using the aluminum block, says other LS engine builders.

  • we all know some one gonna try and beat this Record with a shitbox zr1

  • @0spaceboy why do you think that the zr1 is a shitbox? Its a pretty sweet car. I can't think of a downside to it.

  • Have you driven one?

  • Are you implying that you have driven both a viper acr and a zr1?

  • No, but that's why I'm not talking about how good/bad they are, you can't learn anything by looking at a sheet of paper.

  • I understand your point, and I agree that looking at spec sheets doesn't tell much about a car. But, I have heard nothing but universal praise for the zr1, both in power and everyday driveability. The viper on the other hand is pretty much purpose built for the track, I love it but it is not a great everyday car. This also is pretty much universally stated. Second I was originally talking with spaceboy, but if you are defending him I will ask you the same question; why is the zr1 a shitbox?

  • wasn't standing up for anyone; just making my point

  • Wow! I am thoroughly impressed! I would never have thought it would be a Viper breaking this record.