didnt they just come out of a time out....and you cant run a play to get the ball inbounds. i didnt see any picks or anything-didnt look like much of an inbound play. they should be penalized for stupid coaching.
@madhazzer: you've copied and pasted this same comment on multiple postings now. Are you a TX fan or Neb fan?
It actually sounds like your application to AZ got rejected and you are a bitter reject. Grow a pair and stop crying. After AZ crushed Duke, you have just lost it. You hate AZ more than you like your own team. Such an ugly display.
way to go cheaters. pac 10 officials gave you the game in a handbasket, feelin big now? the big 12 doesnt forget about that stamp nebraska left on arizonas jaded ass either. how was that shutout last year vs nebraska in the football bowl game
@ncsu24fan WOW. That is some interesting logic you are using... 5 comes after 4 so if he counted to 4 that means he must have counted to 5? WOW. Is this really how your brain works or are you just making ridiculous comments trying to get replies? The rules say REF MUST VISIBLY COUNT TO 5. He visibly (arm count) counted to 4 and a quarter when calling foul. Also, people voting on their own comments is pretty sad...
@ncsu24fan let me clarify, kid called TO when refs visible arm count was at 4 and a quarter. At that point ref interrupts his arm count at 4 and a half swings to call foul, clearly showing he never visibly counted off 5 seconds. Per the rules and every video of this captured, this was a bad call because he kid called for timeout BEFORE ref was able to visibly count off 5 seconds. Stick to the facts
@ncsu24fan I hear you, but if a ref can't be relied upon to perform as rudimentary a task as counting to 5 correctly (visible arm count is to prove 5 seconds is counted) how can he be expected to accurately call the difficult plays. This guy gets paid BIG money because he's regarded as an expert, a highly skilled professional in his field, yet he blows the whistle and calls foul before his count has even reached 5. This is more than just a bad call, this is a guy misusing his authority
He starts counting around the 2 second mark then makes the call around the 7 second mark. Are we upset that he might have been off by a 1/4 second? Oh no!
At least we can put to bed the debate on whether the better team moved on. AZ crushed Duke. TX never had the poise to move on and would have been decimated by Duke.
I pity the TX fans who deluded themselves into thinking that Duke would annihilate AZ because of 5 second violation that was a called a snap of a finger early - especially when you consider a lead that was obtained by dubious calls on j brown. Seemed refs were intent on closing AZ lead to make game interesting and did it again
I'd just like to get this straightened out. I've read several articles where he's quoted as mentioning that he'd reached 5 in his head. Yet no mention is made that he isn't supposed to count in his head as well, or that you can't count on the start of the swing and only the end, et cetera. I'm only hearing this full-arm only count on forums or Youtube since that one announcer's disagreement w/ Pitino.
what a disapointment, the reffs interfeer with the best team winning, so does everyone hate Texas these days??? or was it a makeup call for a great block on williams??? The NCAA needs to do some cleaning house for their referees
5 seconds or not, Jordan Hamilton shouldve let Williams score. You dont try to get in the way of him when your up by two with 15 seconds left, you let him score and then you inbound the ball ASAP and take all the time you need to score, and if you cant, then you go to OT. simple
The rule use to be that after 4 sec you can't call a time out but that rule as been changed 5 years ago to allow time outs to be called up to 5 sec so the fifth hand motion does not matter. Texas should never have been called for a 5 sec violation.
i dont buy the closeness of 4.5 seconds to 5 seconds argument... he was timing with a hand motion, it's not that hard- it's a simple rhythm... one that he mysteriously broke in between the 4th and 5th second.. and there's no NCAA rule that states you can't call a timeout after 4 seconds.. the commentators were just trying to figure out a possible justification for the call.
Richard Cartmell, the referee who made the call, is the father of two kids my dad coached high school basketball for. He lives in the same town as me!!! Close call though...
I think some 'fans' are missing the point. If you root for Texas or not, this isn't the way you want ANY game to end. For there to have been a five second violation the official needed to have chop his hand FIVE times, that is a signal he uses to convey how much time is left to the player. This official has done it like this 100 times before, but for some reason on this occasion he does it four times, not five. We still do not know who would have won, but it's not fair to Texas.
@chrismiller7 The rule is that once the fifth hand motion has started, a timeout cannot be called. In this case, the fifth hand motion started, so Texas could not call a timeout.
@americasnextopm0del No. There was clearly 1 second left on the clock. And this is coming from an Alabama fan. Texas is just getting a heaping load of the crap they gave to Nebraska. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@jakealope116 Actually, they're crying about .24 seconds, which is why I'm so annoyed by this "fast-count" crap. If he would have waited 'till he extended his arm fully he would have been OVER 5 secs, as .24 secs is basically the blink of an eye. I also can't feel sorry for Texas, since they still had 2 chances to win, stop AZ from scoring or score themselves, and they couldn't manage either.
@CasyleDeagwa actually, the rule plainly states that the count must be silent and visual...therefore the hand signals are the official count for the 5 seconds...since he didnt finish the visual count there was not a 5-second violation
@titanfreak0101 Can you show me where this rule is? The only place I heard anything like this was with the ESPN guy disgreeing with Pitino, then suddenly I'm seeing it everywhere. I've looked for such a rule and I've been unable to find such a thing, only that the 5 count begins when the player has the ball.
@CasyleDeagwa Google BR11.pdf The rules are spread around but the ones that apply state that the player can not consume more than 5 seconds from the moment he gets ball from ref and that the ref must silently and VISIBLY count off the 5 seconds. The video clearly shows the ref's own "visible" count never made it past 4.5 secs and that timeout was called at 4.25 sec (not according to a clock but his own visible arm count).What good is mandating a visible count to ensure fairness if it's ignored?
damn...texas got majorly screwed here...not only this, but later when j'covan bronwn got knocked down and not one whistle was blown...well not much we can do now, but its ok cause arizona is gonna get murdered by duke
@spockistheman. its a shame that texas would have won had the ref not messed up the flow of the game. at least in the pitt game after the byu foul they called the foul on pitt to even it out. ref didn't call foul for brown or johnson and texas loses after a questionable and one call for williams. people say don't leave it to the refs you should be up by more, but if the game comes down to the wire that automatically means its justified if the refs hand the game to the other team?
@austinhill2468 nice comment dude. that's real talk. after watching the end of the game there were two pretty obvious fouls on both shots and neither one was called. the last one was way harder than the first and the ref was standing right there and didn't call it. just horrible officiating. would have been better if the refs called it like the Butler game. I think the ref was afraid to blow the whistle in this case. either way, if you blow it or not its your job to make the right call.
After all the bad calls I've seen this year this isn't that bad. I've seen a lot worse. If Texas is so good they shouldn't have been behind in the last few seconds.
certainly a horrible call, a make up call cuz AZ coach was screaming about previous no call by ref....further, refs should know to swallow whistle at that point in a game and let the players decide outcome....
WTF Barnes doesn't have an inbounds pass play that works?:?!
terrible call ... hope that ref dies in a car accident ... the time out was called after the fourth hand gesture ... replay should take place in these games like everywhere else
@soadfan333 Are you implying that refs should be rounding up? If anything, the benefit of the doubt should be given to the teams. I think the bigger issue is the fact that the ref's hands were just past 4. He never gave a 5th second with his hands and he knew it. Unless he can't count to five. It's pretty clear.
4.6 seconds. ESPN writer put it at 4.75. not much different from five, especially in the heat of the moment. Texas had the ball with 10 secs left down by 1. Pretty good situation to be in, but couldn't convert. Butler ran almost the extra same play in round one, but they got it in the bucket. Players had a chance to win it both games.
@zimmermanben Lol @ close to 5. When dealing in SECONDS, even fractions of a second matter. That's like having $85 and being able to pay for something $99.99. Doesn't quite work does it?
And FYI it is not decided by stopwatches, game clocks, or anything of that sort, it is decided by the hand ticks of the ref. CLEARLY he barely even got passed his 4th tick, indicating 4 seconds. But then again it's the NCAA and jack shit will happen to him.
@Jarekx2007 actually it would be like paying for 100 with 95 if you do the math. The point is that it was a close call that Texas was on the short side of, but they still had opportunities to win. Got beat on d, then missed a chance to score. Those are the breaks, you win some you lose some.
im sick of hearing Arizona f.ags talk about how we should have beaten them earlier...we would have stomped you like pussycats if the PAC-10 refs werent sucking c.ock.
Duke won by a basket to Michigan. Not hard to see why we lost when they award you the ball, fouls, and time with 15 seconds left
This just in. Due to Texas fans crying over one call in the game, the NCAA has decided that Texas will get back the 0.05 seconds to inbound the ball.
FACT: This was one of many bad calls or no calls in this game. Both ways.
FACT: If Texas doesn't call timeout in the backcourt after the refs missed the obvious foul against DWill, Texas wins.
FACT: Texas still had a chance to win the game, but DIDN'T.
FACT: I've watched biased refs before but this was the first 3 seconds call in the order to cheat a team
FACT: Arizona is classless and cheaters. Thats why when my Oregon football team kicked there ass a couple years ago they tried to rush the field to stop one of Oregon's last drives. Too bad Oregon won anyways this is just one time the classless cheaters finally won.
@captaingangsta29 z You want to talk about the swim team now? How about softball? What about something that has happened in the last 365 days? You obviously missed the point. Go DUCKS!
Does the player have to signal with his hands for the time out to be official?? Because even on TV you can clearly hear him yell for a time out before he signals with his hands. That is easily a quarter to a half a second earlier. Either the referee is deaf or just had and agenda, or is a total idiot.
I saw the game, too. And as a neutral person (with no bracket bias attached), seemed like a referee mistake. In the final minutes of such a tightly-contested game like this, I believe the officials should let the PLAYERS determine the outcome of the game. Don't blow the whistle on such plays as this unless it's TOTALLY justified.
Hey, I'm neutral on this game but, come one, this was a ridiculous decision. It didn't look like five seconds live and it's even worse on video replay. Clearly not five seconds and the kid inbounding does the right thing and the ref soils the bed. Shameful.
I'm an Arizona fan and it looked like four seconds to me. Of course, every other call or non-call in the game went against us, so you take the good with the bad. One thing for sure, we are in the Sweet Sixteen...again!
you just had a feeling something was going to go wrong for Texas when they called that time-out. Just wait for them to foul you. That's why everyone does it. Also, I thought once the count got to 4 they couldn't call time-out.
this was a blatant make up call for not making a foul call on the previous play, the ref mustve felt he missed on the previous play...and could make it right by giving zona back the ball. guess he feels better about himself now lol
@trmoss0421 No it doesn't. Seth Davis said that on the post-game show, but he later admitted he was wrong. The ref said he just thought that the timeout wasn't called before five seconds.
my theory is that the abbreviated arm gesture was a result of taking into consideration the delay from when the player catches the ball to when the ref first signals the time. if you add the time from when the player has the ball in his position, regardless of when the ref starts his count, it is over 5 seconds.
im not a fan of either team, but there is that other .5 seconds between the ref handing the player the ball and him starting his count. I really don't know if he added that to his count or what. we will see what NCAA has to say tomorrow
Mute point, was a make up call for the HORRID call against the Cats the play b4....AWESOME VICTORY. Texas can complain as much as they want, but actually watch the last 5 minutes of the game, and...ENOUGH SAID.
@dcappsaz a horrid call against the cats?? awesome victory?? the last 5 minutes of the game was arizona blowing away their lead and jcovan brown putting a team on his back. i could care less for either team but you saying its a moot** (dumb ass cant even spell) point is just insulting to a great comeback for texas and a terrible call by that poor excuse for a referee...
Thats for anyone saying it was 5 seconds. Both teams got some questionable fouls which is gonna happen in a game but there is no excuse at all for this. And the NCAA will do nothing.
He's supposed to count from the moment the ball hits the players hands. A second has already passed before he starts his official count. That's a 5 second count for sure.
@apexisFRAUD i hope the ncaa owns up and makes some kind of announcement stating that the call was a bad call and that they are sorry for it instead of avoiding the situation like usual
@apexisFRAUD i • hope the ncaa owns up and makes some kind of announcement stating that the call was a bad call and that they are sorry for it instead of avoiding the situation like usual
I'm an Uof A fan but this referee clearly was WRONG... TEXAS GOT SCREWED... sad that refs make terrible calls like this in crucial parts of the game but it happens. BOTTOM LINE: BAD CALL...CATS ADVANCE (although we shouldn't have) and we'll lose to DUKE. Texas battled back and should've won this... Sorry Horn fans LOL
@russelpad12 Definitely not a U of A fan obviously. Maybe the call wasn't correct but it was made. There were a lot of other bad calls that got them to this point... like all the horrible touch fouls they called for Brown during the second half. That man was living at the free throw line and shouldn't have gotten that many attempts from the line.
@sinisterstyle There are ALWAYS going to be controversial touch foul calls but here you can CLEARLY see him just barely finish his 4th count when he called time out. The ref can't count like 1..2..3..4(oh shit he's looking at me! I better immediately call the 5th count!) No matter who it was that was the most obvious and FUCKED up call probably in the whole NCAA tournament..
Ok how did Arizona cheat? Did they pay of the refs? Or were the refs just alums? Even if the ref screwed up Arizona did nothing but play hard and play the right way. Derrick Williams is a BEAST. And no I don't go to U of A I go to Colorado, just a basketball fan.
@smangold4 They didn't pay the refs, i heard they did something with the refs in the locker room before the game started and Derrick Williams is a bullshit player. Jacob Pullen is a BEAST.
It's not 5 seconds of clock time. It's 5 arm swipes ( which are supposed to be seconds). Swipe your arm to the same rhythm the ref is using and it's clear he got it wrong. My guess is the ref forgot the rule changed. It use to be no timeout after 4 arm swipes. Ref hits 4 sees the timeout signal and calls it a turnover.
I can't find anything in the rules stating that 5 actually seconds doesn't matter, only that the ref's arm goes down 5 times. Pitino didn't even seem to know of such a rule. The ref himself said he blew the whistle because he had counted 5 times in his head. *Keeps searching*
I used a stopwatch 5 times, starting it from the exact moment the player caught the ball until the moment he put his hands together for a time-out and turned to the ref. My shortest time was 3.96 seconds, my longest 4.84, with the rest coming in right around 4.50. The timeout was called for in under 5 seconds, no matter how many times you replay it.
If you freeze-frame it, the player clearly does not have possession of the ball in a frame that reads :01. Then, the player is clearly calling for a time-out in a frame that reads :05. Clearly, it was a quick 5 seconds.
one ... two ... three ... four ... the kid's gesturing to me ... is he trying to give me the finger? ... well screw him ... I'm gonna call the punk for a five second violation ... oh, yeah ... five.
@texasalltheway1 you are right terrible officiating, Arizona was getting screwed by those ticky tack fouls on brown all game long. We should have won by more :)
@teamcorporate24 I simply can't see how you're getting 5.1 seconds. I start my watch when he gets the ball to the time he motions for the timeout, you don't stop at the ref's whistle because the entire point is he missed the timeout call and therefore his whistle would come later. I feel like I'm being trolled or you're watching something different in the video.
From the time the ball touches Joseph's hands to Joseph's time-out signal is no more than 4.6 seconds by my stopwatch. Even of you ignore the time-out signal, the ref is already signaling a 5 second violation 4.9 seconds after Joseph received the ball.
I get 5.06 seconds from the time the ball leaves the ref's hands, but only 4.82 seconds from the time the player touches the ball. Meh, bad calls are a part of the game. Best way to avoid that position is to not call timeout on the play before when AZ was going to foul anyway.
@kfreshh16 No doubt. I complained about Pac-10 refs all season. After these last two games I'll take a Pac-10 crew any day. Shitty way to loose, but at same time why call a timeout in the backcourt? Mental errors lost Texas this game not the refs.
@2sonwildcat Either way a 5 second call should never be messed up like that. This ref was the same one who did the St. John's/Rutgers game. A Big East ref that should not be reffing.
@kfreshh16 Good point. The other thing is, had Texas not called a timeout, they wouldn't have had to inbound the ball anyway and they probably would have won. Why make your guys inbound the ball when they don't need to in that situation?
@teamcorporate24 That was a dumb decision but i was told it was to get some players off the bench into the game. IDK. I thought it was stupid. Either way, that call should never be messed up. And it was. Oh well. Its just weird cause this is the same ref who screwed up the Rutger's/St. John's game.
@beeecraft I rationalize it this way: From the time the Texas player received the ball to the time the ref blew the whistle, it was 5.1 seconds. If you actually do an HONEST count, you'll see it was the correct call.
Funny... I've never known folks from Texas to be such whiners.
@teamcorporate24 LOL, you do know that you can just use the video...the player receives the ball sometime after the 1 second mark on the video, and calls time some during the 5 second mark. If it was a violation the time would have to hit 6 in the video. Math problem, 1 + X = 5: Solve for x. X = 4. K thx, youre wrong, but keep trying kid.
if you start counting from the moment he has both hands on the ball it's an easy 5 seconds. If you start counting from the ref's outstretched hands he turns and signals time out just as the video hits 6, maybe fraction of a second before. Personally, I'm done for the night, nobody is going to convince anyone of anything. I really hate that my cats now have two controversal wins in a row.
@CasyleDeagwa the refs hand count is all that matters. it is the only thing that shows everyone else what his count is or then there would be call of " well i counted 5 secs in my head but i only showed 4, but it was five sec." or " no he didnt make it pass half court in 10 second cause i was counting in my head but only showed 8" he has to show everyone what the count is and bottom line he called before he made the 5th check. also i timed it with my stop watch and even experts say it was 4.5
Pull out a damn stopwatch and clock it for yourself before talking. Start right as he catches the ball and ignore the ref's arm if you wish. Clearly the timeout comes sometime between 4.2-4.5 seconds. The ref doesn't even swing his arm a 5th time what a joke.
@CasyleDeagwa Then why does the ref do the hand motions if you're "basing it off the clock"? The hand motions signal the 5 seconds. Its all up to the refs as to when to start the 5 seconds. He clearly only called 4 seconds.
Late on the news cast the TNT crew correct themselves and said there is no rule saying you cannot call timeout after 4 seconds. You are right. It is not a rule.
He didn't make the right call because he never even extended his arm for a fifth motion and Joseph called for time shortly after the ref's fourth arm motion.
@CasyleDeagwa He didn't make the right call because he never even extended his arm for a fifth motion to signal five seconds and Joseph called for time shortly after the ref's fourth arm motion.
@wikkedSeth He was starting to, I'm sorry that he was slow extending his arm. Look at the video and count the seconds, the ref made the right call. I was just told during the halftime game of the one after ours that Pitino and his crew did their own counting and came up with 5 seconds too.
@CasyleDeagwa He was on tv saying that he timed it based off the clock. They timed it off the clock and when Cory got the ball. NOT when the ref signaled he count. The 5 second rule is based off of the ref's hand motions not the clock..
@CasyleDeagwa he slowely starts to extend his arm. so then it can be argued that time out was called at 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 or even 4.9 because he never fully extended his arm to signal a full 5 seconds.
@CasyleDeagwa You don't base the 5 second call off of the clock. You base it strictly off of the ref & his motions. You clearly do not see 5 arm extentions to call the violation. In this case, the refs robbed Texas.
@CasyleDeagwa LOL you know that 2 + 4 = 6 not 5 right? Or as you put it 1.8 + 4.2 = 6. Still doesn't equal 5. You sound like an idiot right now, I hope you don't have a degree.
@gawright60 The count starts when the ref begins the count with his hand. There is a bit of a delay between when the player catches the ball and when the count starts. He called the violation just after his fourth count.
The official gives the ball to the player at the 1-second mark on the video, and the player calls time-out at the 6-second mark. Clearly, five seconds had passed.
cant call a timeout after 4 seconds
yody14 11 months ago
@yody14 you can call a timeout when ever you want when you have possession of the fucking ball you idiot
flyguyry1 11 months ago
didnt they just come out of a time out....and you cant run a play to get the ball inbounds. i didnt see any picks or anything-didnt look like much of an inbound play. they should be penalized for stupid coaching.
rpdadvertising 11 months ago
he started the call on the fifth arm swing.
forkandahalf 11 months ago
he counted to five??? he just didnt finish the last arm thing on the fifth one
lilk755 11 months ago
@lilk755 Yes, that's called 4 and a half seconds big boy.
jameschmidt1 11 months ago
@madhazzer: you've copied and pasted this same comment on multiple postings now. Are you a TX fan or Neb fan?
It actually sounds like your application to AZ got rejected and you are a bitter reject. Grow a pair and stop crying. After AZ crushed Duke, you have just lost it. You hate AZ more than you like your own team. Such an ugly display.
stock1244 11 months ago
@stock1244 Stop trying to act mature and shit, nobody likes a smart ass.
jameschmidt1 11 months ago
@jameschmidt1: My apologies, in the future I should be "trying to act IMMATURE and shit, EVERYBODY likes a DUMB ass."
stock1244 11 months ago
@stock1244 God you're hilarious, I'm cracking up. Don't be a smart ass,.
jameschmidt1 11 months ago
way to go cheaters. pac 10 officials gave you the game in a handbasket, feelin big now? the big 12 doesnt forget about that stamp nebraska left on arizonas jaded ass either. how was that shutout last year vs nebraska in the football bowl game
madhazzer 11 months ago
Are you guys idiots? 5 comes after 4 and time doesn't freeze so common sense would tell you it's 5 seconds.
ncsu24fan 11 months ago 3
@ncsu24fan WOW. That is some interesting logic you are using... 5 comes after 4 so if he counted to 4 that means he must have counted to 5? WOW. Is this really how your brain works or are you just making ridiculous comments trying to get replies? The rules say REF MUST VISIBLY COUNT TO 5. He visibly (arm count) counted to 4 and a quarter when calling foul. Also, people voting on their own comments is pretty sad...
mtcuppmore 11 months ago
@ncsu24fan let me clarify, kid called TO when refs visible arm count was at 4 and a quarter. At that point ref interrupts his arm count at 4 and a half swings to call foul, clearly showing he never visibly counted off 5 seconds. Per the rules and every video of this captured, this was a bad call because he kid called for timeout BEFORE ref was able to visibly count off 5 seconds. Stick to the facts
mtcuppmore 11 months ago
@mtcuppmore To be honest, I think every set of refs in the tournament are bad. They have blown so many calls.
ncsu24fan 11 months ago
@ncsu24fan I hear you, but if a ref can't be relied upon to perform as rudimentary a task as counting to 5 correctly (visible arm count is to prove 5 seconds is counted) how can he be expected to accurately call the difficult plays. This guy gets paid BIG money because he's regarded as an expert, a highly skilled professional in his field, yet he blows the whistle and calls foul before his count has even reached 5. This is more than just a bad call, this is a guy misusing his authority
mtcuppmore 11 months ago
He starts counting around the 2 second mark then makes the call around the 7 second mark. Are we upset that he might have been off by a 1/4 second? Oh no!
LiVApathy 11 months ago
Why the fuck is the ref being so dramatic and shit?
Dizcinger 11 months ago
At least we can put to bed the debate on whether the better team moved on. AZ crushed Duke. TX never had the poise to move on and would have been decimated by Duke.
I pity the TX fans who deluded themselves into thinking that Duke would annihilate AZ because of 5 second violation that was a called a snap of a finger early - especially when you consider a lead that was obtained by dubious calls on j brown. Seemed refs were intent on closing AZ lead to make game interesting and did it again
stock1244 11 months ago
section 7 article 9...officials duties are:
Art. 9. (Men) Silently and visibly count seconds to administer throw-in, freethrow,
back-court, and closely guarded rules and silently count for enforcement
of the three-second rule.
titanfreak0101 11 months ago
I'd just like to get this straightened out. I've read several articles where he's quoted as mentioning that he'd reached 5 in his head. Yet no mention is made that he isn't supposed to count in his head as well, or that you can't count on the start of the swing and only the end, et cetera. I'm only hearing this full-arm only count on forums or Youtube since that one announcer's disagreement w/ Pitino.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
what a disapointment, the reffs interfeer with the best team winning, so does everyone hate Texas these days??? or was it a makeup call for a great block on williams??? The NCAA needs to do some cleaning house for their referees
FuzzyPineapple1 11 months ago
Is that your wife doing dishes that i hear while you watch basketball?
Skiittt 11 months ago
his coach said call a time out when he had the chance. That player just blew it. Should of called it instead of waiting like a moron.
tongandude06 11 months ago
5 seconds or not, Jordan Hamilton shouldve let Williams score. You dont try to get in the way of him when your up by two with 15 seconds left, you let him score and then you inbound the ball ASAP and take all the time you need to score, and if you cant, then you go to OT. simple
MattIsNinja 11 months ago
The rule use to be that after 4 sec you can't call a time out but that rule as been changed 5 years ago to allow time outs to be called up to 5 sec so the fifth hand motion does not matter. Texas should never have been called for a 5 sec violation.
josephkelley120 11 months ago
i dont buy the closeness of 4.5 seconds to 5 seconds argument... he was timing with a hand motion, it's not that hard- it's a simple rhythm... one that he mysteriously broke in between the 4th and 5th second.. and there's no NCAA rule that states you can't call a timeout after 4 seconds.. the commentators were just trying to figure out a possible justification for the call.
bmgrether 11 months ago
@spockistheman. Once the ref starts the final hand motion, if he tries to call a timeout it is too late. He can't call it. The ref had started it.
Bomber4Life30 11 months ago
Richard Cartmell, the referee who made the call, is the father of two kids my dad coached high school basketball for. He lives in the same town as me!!! Close call though...
Bomber4Life30 11 months ago
I think some 'fans' are missing the point. If you root for Texas or not, this isn't the way you want ANY game to end. For there to have been a five second violation the official needed to have chop his hand FIVE times, that is a signal he uses to convey how much time is left to the player. This official has done it like this 100 times before, but for some reason on this occasion he does it four times, not five. We still do not know who would have won, but it's not fair to Texas.
chrismiller7 11 months ago
@chrismiller7 The rule is that once the fifth hand motion has started, a timeout cannot be called. In this case, the fifth hand motion started, so Texas could not call a timeout.
Bomber4Life30 11 months ago
Arizona's coach outcoached Barnes. You figure you guys would be use to losing early.
jbuelna 11 months ago
Texas was ripped off. Arizona's coach sucks!
sambi59 11 months ago
LOL @ TEXAS FANS Crying about 1 second.... remember the 2009 Big 12 Championship when Nebraska was screwed by 1 second?
SUCK KARMA, BITCHES.
jakealope116 11 months ago
@jakealope116 Actually Texas won that game fair and square.
americasnextopm0del 11 months ago
@americasnextopm0del No. There was clearly 1 second left on the clock. And this is coming from an Alabama fan. Texas is just getting a heaping load of the crap they gave to Nebraska. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jakealope116 11 months ago
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@jakealope116 You just agreed with me?
americasnextopm0del 11 months ago
@jakealope116 Actually, they're crying about .24 seconds, which is why I'm so annoyed by this "fast-count" crap. If he would have waited 'till he extended his arm fully he would have been OVER 5 secs, as .24 secs is basically the blink of an eye. I also can't feel sorry for Texas, since they still had 2 chances to win, stop AZ from scoring or score themselves, and they couldn't manage either.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa actually, the rule plainly states that the count must be silent and visual...therefore the hand signals are the official count for the 5 seconds...since he didnt finish the visual count there was not a 5-second violation
titanfreak0101 11 months ago
@titanfreak0101 Can you show me where this rule is? The only place I heard anything like this was with the ESPN guy disgreeing with Pitino, then suddenly I'm seeing it everywhere. I've looked for such a rule and I've been unable to find such a thing, only that the 5 count begins when the player has the ball.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa Google BR11.pdf The rules are spread around but the ones that apply state that the player can not consume more than 5 seconds from the moment he gets ball from ref and that the ref must silently and VISIBLY count off the 5 seconds. The video clearly shows the ref's own "visible" count never made it past 4.5 secs and that timeout was called at 4.25 sec (not according to a clock but his own visible arm count).What good is mandating a visible count to ensure fairness if it's ignored?
mtcuppmore 11 months ago
@mtcuppmore *Groans* That big thing. I looked through that originally and couldn't find any such rule. I'll look again.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
damn...texas got majorly screwed here...not only this, but later when j'covan bronwn got knocked down and not one whistle was blown...well not much we can do now, but its ok cause arizona is gonna get murdered by duke
pease1011 11 months ago
@spockistheman. its a shame that texas would have won had the ref not messed up the flow of the game. at least in the pitt game after the byu foul they called the foul on pitt to even it out. ref didn't call foul for brown or johnson and texas loses after a questionable and one call for williams. people say don't leave it to the refs you should be up by more, but if the game comes down to the wire that automatically means its justified if the refs hand the game to the other team?
austinhill2468 11 months ago 10
@austinhill2468 nice comment dude. that's real talk. after watching the end of the game there were two pretty obvious fouls on both shots and neither one was called. the last one was way harder than the first and the ref was standing right there and didn't call it. just horrible officiating. would have been better if the refs called it like the Butler game. I think the ref was afraid to blow the whistle in this case. either way, if you blow it or not its your job to make the right call.
BigBearfromthe206 11 months ago
After all the bad calls I've seen this year this isn't that bad. I've seen a lot worse. If Texas is so good they shouldn't have been behind in the last few seconds.
spockistheman 11 months ago
@spockistheman Texas was in the lead...... read the description.....
mkader17 11 months ago
certainly a horrible call, a make up call cuz AZ coach was screaming about previous no call by ref....further, refs should know to swallow whistle at that point in a game and let the players decide outcome....
WTF Barnes doesn't have an inbounds pass play that works?:?!
UTHookem 11 months ago 6
@UTHookem it was a great defensive stand by the wildcats, but that's what timeouts are for, to get a second chance in this situation
lotzofboldts 11 months ago
Arizona belongs in the texas high school girls single A tournament...
puppetnewz 11 months ago
whoever taped this sounds like theyre crying
damatj30 11 months ago 2
terrible call ... hope that ref dies in a car accident ... the time out was called after the fourth hand gesture ... replay should take place in these games like everywhere else
akmd114379 11 months ago
espn debunked it. it was 4.75. and thats pretty damn close and a human cant detect that error. on the the next one! get over it!
soadfan333 11 months ago
@soadfan333 Are you implying that refs should be rounding up? If anything, the benefit of the doubt should be given to the teams. I think the bigger issue is the fact that the ref's hands were just past 4. He never gave a 5th second with his hands and he knew it. Unless he can't count to five. It's pretty clear.
wxmankid 11 months ago
@wxmankid ...refs cant round up. its 4.75 and a human isnt a robot and doesnt know if its exctly 5. its pretty damn close.
soadfan333 11 months ago
He calls time before the ref calls him on the 5 second violation. Must have had the Wildqueers moving on in his bracket or something.
limbo1122 11 months ago
4.6 seconds. ESPN writer put it at 4.75. not much different from five, especially in the heat of the moment. Texas had the ball with 10 secs left down by 1. Pretty good situation to be in, but couldn't convert. Butler ran almost the extra same play in round one, but they got it in the bucket. Players had a chance to win it both games.
zimmermanben 11 months ago
@zimmermanben Lol @ close to 5. When dealing in SECONDS, even fractions of a second matter. That's like having $85 and being able to pay for something $99.99. Doesn't quite work does it?
And FYI it is not decided by stopwatches, game clocks, or anything of that sort, it is decided by the hand ticks of the ref. CLEARLY he barely even got passed his 4th tick, indicating 4 seconds. But then again it's the NCAA and jack shit will happen to him.
Jarekx2007 11 months ago
@Jarekx2007 actually it would be like paying for 100 with 95 if you do the math. The point is that it was a close call that Texas was on the short side of, but they still had opportunities to win. Got beat on d, then missed a chance to score. Those are the breaks, you win some you lose some.
zimmermanben 11 months ago
when i time it with my stop watch, i get 4.6 seconds. Still under 5, what a horrible call.
EpicOwnage1212 11 months ago
fucking refs! that's so gay. Texas was robbed. Texas should have won.
and who the hell was that Wildcat kissing the camera right after the game? benchwarmer. I didn't see him contribute at all.
DKun824 11 months ago
@DKun824
F'rel bra, some stupid puss.ycat negro sucking the cameramans cawk.
Takin notes from 99 percent of Tucsons population
madhazzer 11 months ago
what a bunch of horsesh.it.
im sick of hearing Arizona f.ags talk about how we should have beaten them earlier...we would have stomped you like pussycats if the PAC-10 refs werent sucking c.ock.
Duke won by a basket to Michigan. Not hard to see why we lost when they award you the ball, fouls, and time with 15 seconds left
madhazzer 11 months ago
way to go cheaters
madhazzer 11 months ago
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This just in. Due to Texas fans crying over one call in the game, the NCAA has decided that Texas will get back the 0.05 seconds to inbound the ball.
FACT: This was one of many bad calls or no calls in this game. Both ways.
FACT: If Texas doesn't call timeout in the backcourt after the refs missed the obvious foul against DWill, Texas wins.
FACT: Texas still had a chance to win the game, but DIDN'T.
FACT: GAME OVER
2sonwildcat 11 months ago
WOW, I cant believe this
madhazzer 11 months ago
FACT: I've watched biased refs before but this was the first 3 seconds call in the order to cheat a team
FACT: Arizona is classless and cheaters. Thats why when my Oregon football team kicked there ass a couple years ago they tried to rush the field to stop one of Oregon's last drives. Too bad Oregon won anyways this is just one time the classless cheaters finally won.
captaingangsta29 11 months ago
@captaingangsta29 z You want to talk about the swim team now? How about softball? What about something that has happened in the last 365 days? You obviously missed the point. Go DUCKS!
2sonwildcat 11 months ago
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2sonwildcat 11 months ago
Does the player have to signal with his hands for the time out to be official?? Because even on TV you can clearly hear him yell for a time out before he signals with his hands. That is easily a quarter to a half a second earlier. Either the referee is deaf or just had and agenda, or is a total idiot.
roopies 11 months ago
I saw the game, too. And as a neutral person (with no bracket bias attached), seemed like a referee mistake. In the final minutes of such a tightly-contested game like this, I believe the officials should let the PLAYERS determine the outcome of the game. Don't blow the whistle on such plays as this unless it's TOTALLY justified.
bigideajeb 11 months ago
thats fucked up ref.....
Ovito85 11 months ago
Hey, I'm neutral on this game but, come one, this was a ridiculous decision. It didn't look like five seconds live and it's even worse on video replay. Clearly not five seconds and the kid inbounding does the right thing and the ref soils the bed. Shameful.
JC94115 11 months ago
so are we...GO OSU!!!!
andreabratcher 11 months ago
it dont matter...texas gonna be way better next year with myck kabongo taking over point baby
GoPreds95 11 months ago
I'm an Arizona fan and it looked like four seconds to me. Of course, every other call or non-call in the game went against us, so you take the good with the bad. One thing for sure, we are in the Sweet Sixteen...again!
dedhed1950 11 months ago
you just had a feeling something was going to go wrong for Texas when they called that time-out. Just wait for them to foul you. That's why everyone does it. Also, I thought once the count got to 4 they couldn't call time-out.
NbrLine 11 months ago
Nice 5 count, ref... Apparently, Texas only get 4.2 seconds to inbounds the ball?.. lol..
Texas screwed the pooch, though... All they had to do was send someone long, and boom... Lay up..
roo7227 11 months ago
Waaaaa Whahaaaa
scwatsutube 11 months ago
i hope that ref hasnt reserved a room for the final 4,,,,,after that call he wont be officiating.
andreabratcher 11 months ago
this was a blatant make up call for not making a foul call on the previous play, the ref mustve felt he missed on the previous play...and could make it right by giving zona back the ball. guess he feels better about himself now lol
andreabratcher 11 months ago
erinrules is obviously an arizona fan
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ajseastrand 11 months ago
rule states a player cannot call t.o. once the count reaches 4 seconds!
trmoss0421 11 months ago
@trmoss0421 No it doesn't. Seth Davis said that on the post-game show, but he later admitted he was wrong. The ref said he just thought that the timeout wasn't called before five seconds.
BigD9428 11 months ago
i'm aware that the rule is when the ref signals time, but that it my theory for the abbreviated motion anyway
ErinRules12 11 months ago
my theory is that the abbreviated arm gesture was a result of taking into consideration the delay from when the player catches the ball to when the ref first signals the time. if you add the time from when the player has the ball in his position, regardless of when the ref starts his count, it is over 5 seconds.
ErinRules12 11 months ago
@ErinRules12
ummm..you are wrong...it's not over 5 sorry..you have a shitty clock
hupat77 11 months ago
perhaps if texas played better in the first half they wouldn't be in this position. aaaaand end of story.
ErinRules12 11 months ago
@apexisFRAUD
im not a fan of either team, but there is that other .5 seconds between the ref handing the player the ball and him starting his count. I really don't know if he added that to his count or what. we will see what NCAA has to say tomorrow
counterhero 11 months ago
Mute point, was a make up call for the HORRID call against the Cats the play b4....AWESOME VICTORY. Texas can complain as much as they want, but actually watch the last 5 minutes of the game, and...ENOUGH SAID.
dcappsaz 11 months ago
@dcappsaz Fin.
dcappsaz 11 months ago
@dcappsaz a horrid call against the cats?? awesome victory?? the last 5 minutes of the game was arizona blowing away their lead and jcovan brown putting a team on his back. i could care less for either team but you saying its a moot** (dumb ass cant even spell) point is just insulting to a great comeback for texas and a terrible call by that poor excuse for a referee...
michaelarnold89 11 months ago
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ajseastrand 11 months ago
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@dcappsaz
You need to go read the rule book. the count starts as soon as the player touches the ball.
QUOTE:
"The throw-in shall start and the throw-in team shall have team
control when the ball is at the disposal of a player entitled to the throw-in."
Now will you give a the ref a break?
ajseastrand 11 months ago
Time from when ball hit Joseph's hands until he asked for a TO : 4.45 seconds
Time from when ball hit Joseph's hands until ref called 5 second violation : 4.70 seconds
It never got to 5 seconds which is why the ref never followed through on his last arm swing. Bogus call.
skipke2020 11 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=FgLE9YkwMe0&feature=player_embedded
Thats for anyone saying it was 5 seconds. Both teams got some questionable fouls which is gonna happen in a game but there is no excuse at all for this. And the NCAA will do nothing.
clstanley09 11 months ago
He's supposed to count from the moment the ball hits the players hands. A second has already passed before he starts his official count. That's a 5 second count for sure.
sinisterstyle 11 months ago
Clearly 5 seconds if not more!!!
lilsnope 11 months ago
Saw the ref at the sports book in Vegas cashing his Arizona money line ticket.
cahillspub 11 months ago
well, my phone's stopwatch says that 4.54 seconds elapsed between when he got the ball and when he turned his head to scream for a timeout. Darn.
81broncoman 11 months ago
@apexisFRAUD i hope the ncaa owns up and makes some kind of announcement stating that the call was a bad call and that they are sorry for it instead of avoiding the situation like usual
ciabogado 11 months ago
@apexisFRAUD i • hope the ncaa owns up and makes some kind of announcement stating that the call was a bad call and that they are sorry for it instead of avoiding the situation like usual
ciabogado 11 months ago
Saw the ref at the sports book in Vegas cashing his Arizona money line ticket.
cahillspub 11 months ago
I'm an Uof A fan but this referee clearly was WRONG... TEXAS GOT SCREWED... sad that refs make terrible calls like this in crucial parts of the game but it happens. BOTTOM LINE: BAD CALL...CATS ADVANCE (although we shouldn't have) and we'll lose to DUKE. Texas battled back and should've won this... Sorry Horn fans LOL
russelpad12 11 months ago
@russelpad12 Definitely not a U of A fan obviously. Maybe the call wasn't correct but it was made. There were a lot of other bad calls that got them to this point... like all the horrible touch fouls they called for Brown during the second half. That man was living at the free throw line and shouldn't have gotten that many attempts from the line.
sinisterstyle 11 months ago
@sinisterstyle There are ALWAYS going to be controversial touch foul calls but here you can CLEARLY see him just barely finish his 4th count when he called time out. The ref can't count like 1..2..3..4(oh shit he's looking at me! I better immediately call the 5th count!) No matter who it was that was the most obvious and FUCKED up call probably in the whole NCAA tournament..
DumbPeopleAreFunny 11 months ago
"You sound like an idiot right now" Stay classy.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
Bahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahaahhaha This made my weekend perfect :D
Artchred 11 months ago
wow clearly he called timeout under 5 seconds and im not even a fan
Str8LunchinTube 11 months ago
Ok how did Arizona cheat? Did they pay of the refs? Or were the refs just alums? Even if the ref screwed up Arizona did nothing but play hard and play the right way. Derrick Williams is a BEAST. And no I don't go to U of A I go to Colorado, just a basketball fan.
smangold4 11 months ago
@smangold4 They didn't pay the refs, i heard they did something with the refs in the locker room before the game started and Derrick Williams is a bullshit player. Jacob Pullen is a BEAST.
segerfan 11 months ago
It's not 5 seconds of clock time. It's 5 arm swipes ( which are supposed to be seconds). Swipe your arm to the same rhythm the ref is using and it's clear he got it wrong. My guess is the ref forgot the rule changed. It use to be no timeout after 4 arm swipes. Ref hits 4 sees the timeout signal and calls it a turnover.
theseat42f 11 months ago
He fucking called timeout b4 the ref got to five, i hope i see that ref so i can give him a piece of my opinion with my fist going to his face
segerfan 11 months ago
it was 5 seconds, he does not have to count with his hands 5 times. he did it 4 times and started the 5th, then moved it into the 5 count signal.
at best he was early by .1 or .2 seconds. watch the video, count yourself, its a 5 count.
if he had to count by hand till 5 then signal a 5 count, then its not 5 seconds to inbound the ball its more like 6.
50centisafag 11 months ago
I can't find anything in the rules stating that 5 actually seconds doesn't matter, only that the ref's arm goes down 5 times. Pitino didn't even seem to know of such a rule. The ref himself said he blew the whistle because he had counted 5 times in his head. *Keeps searching*
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
I used a stopwatch 5 times, starting it from the exact moment the player caught the ball until the moment he put his hands together for a time-out and turned to the ref. My shortest time was 3.96 seconds, my longest 4.84, with the rest coming in right around 4.50. The timeout was called for in under 5 seconds, no matter how many times you replay it.
mtbugaj 11 months ago
If you freeze-frame it, the player clearly does not have possession of the ball in a frame that reads :01. Then, the player is clearly calling for a time-out in a frame that reads :05. Clearly, it was a quick 5 seconds.
mtbugaj 11 months ago
one ... two ... three ... four ... the kid's gesturing to me ... is he trying to give me the finger? ... well screw him ... I'm gonna call the punk for a five second violation ... oh, yeah ... five.
SaveScience 11 months ago
lol. It WAS five seconds. He made the correct call...close, but good officiating. Sorry Texas fans.
stankdude 11 months ago
@stankdude sorry not even close to 5 seconds. not even close terrible officiating terrible
texasalltheway1 11 months ago
@texasalltheway1 you are right terrible officiating, Arizona was getting screwed by those ticky tack fouls on brown all game long. We should have won by more :)
chris71388 11 months ago
@stankdude
your retarded
hupat77 11 months ago
buy a new stopwatch man
bullseyeskogen 11 months ago
@stankdude Man fuck you dude. It WASN"T 5 seconds it was 4 seconds. Fuck u. Arizona fucking cheated their way to a victory.
segerfan 11 months ago
@teamcorporate24 I simply can't see how you're getting 5.1 seconds. I start my watch when he gets the ball to the time he motions for the timeout, you don't stop at the ref's whistle because the entire point is he missed the timeout call and therefore his whistle would come later. I feel like I'm being trolled or you're watching something different in the video.
SecondStudent 11 months ago
From the time the ball touches Joseph's hands to Joseph's time-out signal is no more than 4.6 seconds by my stopwatch. Even of you ignore the time-out signal, the ref is already signaling a 5 second violation 4.9 seconds after Joseph received the ball.
antrobus86 11 months ago
I get 5.06 seconds from the time the ball leaves the ref's hands, but only 4.82 seconds from the time the player touches the ball. Meh, bad calls are a part of the game. Best way to avoid that position is to not call timeout on the play before when AZ was going to foul anyway.
tvaladez95 11 months ago
isn't this the second time recently that these refs fucked a team with incompetence?
sanetoday 11 months ago
Yes it was only 4 seconds and YES Derrick Williams was raped on the previous shot but no call was made. Basketball karma my friends.
2sonwildcat 11 months ago
@2sonwildcat Gary Johnson and JCovan Brown got 'raped' at the end also. Overall, sucky refs.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@kfreshh16 No doubt. I complained about Pac-10 refs all season. After these last two games I'll take a Pac-10 crew any day. Shitty way to loose, but at same time why call a timeout in the backcourt? Mental errors lost Texas this game not the refs.
2sonwildcat 11 months ago
@2sonwildcat Either way a 5 second call should never be messed up like that. This ref was the same one who did the St. John's/Rutgers game. A Big East ref that should not be reffing.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@kfreshh16 Good point. The other thing is, had Texas not called a timeout, they wouldn't have had to inbound the ball anyway and they probably would have won. Why make your guys inbound the ball when they don't need to in that situation?
teamcorporate24 11 months ago
@teamcorporate24 That was a dumb decision but i was told it was to get some players off the bench into the game. IDK. I thought it was stupid. Either way, that call should never be messed up. And it was. Oh well. Its just weird cause this is the same ref who screwed up the Rutger's/St. John's game.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@beeecraft I rationalize it this way: From the time the Texas player received the ball to the time the ref blew the whistle, it was 5.1 seconds. If you actually do an HONEST count, you'll see it was the correct call.
Funny... I've never known folks from Texas to be such whiners.
teamcorporate24 11 months ago
@teamcorporate24 people don't seem to understand. You base the count ONLY OFF OF THE REF'S HAND MOTIONS. not the clock.
Arizona played a heck of a game. Good for them.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@teamcorporate24 LOL, you do know that you can just use the video...the player receives the ball sometime after the 1 second mark on the video, and calls time some during the 5 second mark. If it was a violation the time would have to hit 6 in the video. Math problem, 1 + X = 5: Solve for x. X = 4. K thx, youre wrong, but keep trying kid.
Jordan0301 11 months ago
if you start counting from the moment he has both hands on the ball it's an easy 5 seconds. If you start counting from the ref's outstretched hands he turns and signals time out just as the video hits 6, maybe fraction of a second before. Personally, I'm done for the night, nobody is going to convince anyone of anything. I really hate that my cats now have two controversal wins in a row.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa the refs hand count is all that matters. it is the only thing that shows everyone else what his count is or then there would be call of " well i counted 5 secs in my head but i only showed 4, but it was five sec." or " no he didnt make it pass half court in 10 second cause i was counting in my head but only showed 8" he has to show everyone what the count is and bottom line he called before he made the 5th check. also i timed it with my stop watch and even experts say it was 4.5
ciabogado 11 months ago
@SecondStudent You might need a new stopwatch, dude. I've clocked it three times and have gotten 5.1 seconds each time. Get over it.
teamcorporate24 11 months ago
Pull out a damn stopwatch and clock it for yourself before talking. Start right as he catches the ball and ignore the ref's arm if you wish. Clearly the timeout comes sometime between 4.2-4.5 seconds. The ref doesn't even swing his arm a 5th time what a joke.
SecondStudent 11 months ago
typical arizona response: FAIR CALL! WE WON FAIR AND SQUARE CUZ THE REF TOLD YOU SO!
UT all the way
alpine691 11 months ago
Crap call. I loce how some people still try to rationalize it.
beeecraft 11 months ago
Since when don't you base that off the clock? So 5 seconds isn't 5 seconds? 5 seconds is only 4 and a half seconds if the official is slow? Ok...
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa Then why does the ref do the hand motions if you're "basing it off the clock"? The hand motions signal the 5 seconds. Its all up to the refs as to when to start the 5 seconds. He clearly only called 4 seconds.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@apexisFRAUD
Late on the news cast the TNT crew correct themselves and said there is no rule saying you cannot call timeout after 4 seconds. You are right. It is not a rule.
honkskillet 11 months ago
idiot
longhorn180 11 months ago
He starts his arm swing just before 2 secs in the video and the player turns to call a timeout as the video hits 6 seconds. He made the right call.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
He didn't make the right call because he never even extended his arm for a fifth motion and Joseph called for time shortly after the ref's fourth arm motion.
wikkedSeth 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa He didn't make the right call because he never even extended his arm for a fifth motion to signal five seconds and Joseph called for time shortly after the ref's fourth arm motion.
wikkedSeth 11 months ago
@wikkedSeth He was starting to, I'm sorry that he was slow extending his arm. Look at the video and count the seconds, the ref made the right call. I was just told during the halftime game of the one after ours that Pitino and his crew did their own counting and came up with 5 seconds too.
CasyleDeagwa 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa no he didn't. At the very most he got to 4.5 because he sure as hell didn't get to a full 5 seconds.
wikkedSeth 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa He was on tv saying that he timed it based off the clock. They timed it off the clock and when Cory got the ball. NOT when the ref signaled he count. The 5 second rule is based off of the ref's hand motions not the clock..
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa he slowely starts to extend his arm. so then it can be argued that time out was called at 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 or even 4.9 because he never fully extended his arm to signal a full 5 seconds.
ciabogado 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa You don't base the 5 second call off of the clock. You base it strictly off of the ref & his motions. You clearly do not see 5 arm extentions to call the violation. In this case, the refs robbed Texas.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
@kfreshh16 Correct, the ref HAS TO signal 5 hand motions. In this case he DOES NOT.
waresh12 11 months ago
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@waresh12
You need to go read the rule book. the count starts as soon as the player touches the ball.
QUOTE:
"The throw-in shall start and the throw-in team shall have team
control when the ball is at the disposal of a player entitled to the throw-in."
Now will you give a the ref a break?
ajseastrand 11 months ago
@CasyleDeagwa LOL you know that 2 + 4 = 6 not 5 right? Or as you put it 1.8 + 4.2 = 6. Still doesn't equal 5. You sound like an idiot right now, I hope you don't have a degree.
Jordan0301 11 months ago
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sisk22 11 months ago
@sisk22 You CAN! There is no rule against it. The announcer made the rule up and then apologized for screwing up.
waresh12 11 months ago
@waresh12 my bad, you're right.
sisk22 11 months ago
@gawright60 The count starts when the ref begins the count with his hand. There is a bit of a delay between when the player catches the ball and when the count starts. He called the violation just after his fourth count.
TheScoresReport 11 months ago
yall maaad
utown06 11 months ago
The official gives the ball to the player at the 1-second mark on the video, and the player calls time-out at the 6-second mark. Clearly, five seconds had passed.
gawright60 11 months ago
HE CALLS THE TO AT THE REF'S 4 SECOND COUNT. texas got robbed. Cory isn't an idiot. He knew he got it. Idiot ref.
kfreshh16 11 months ago
BULLSHIT.
67able1 11 months ago
robbery
texasalltheway1 11 months ago
Disgusting.
SteveUT02 11 months ago 2