Palestine's haunting Nakba art installation - 15 May 08

[N1k1mon]

every day this way.

"It's better to receive a sharp word in reproof than the end of a stick"

Shake yourselves awake, you've gone insane with a little bit of power in a very short time. Try to remember that in no way shape or form has this been "|srae| vs the World", the superpowers of the world have been holding your hands the entire time. Take a glance at a map, strange coincidence where all USA/UK wars for the last few decades, especially the last two "happen" to end up eh?

Shalom.

[N1k1mon]

wheels off and Mommy international removes her teet, end the allowance checks, stop subduing the Arab world surrounding your wee li'l strip o' land.

Every time you talk like this you cause the collective world to scratch their heads at such blind arrogance, is your memory that short? Those same Arabs saw you crying & hungry at their doorsteps and invited you in with open arms. It doesn't get any more hypocritical or cruelly ironic than this. You're alienating yourself from the worlds Jews eve

[N1k1mon]

you to a 40 years circular parade outside the "land of milk and honey" (Same as always, taking what others have built up then cursing others for merely wanting their own possessions). Same god who had the romans raze the place to the ground.

I'd remember my history and have a bit of humility, you're notorious the world over as crying little girlies and parasites who scream bloody murder when forced to work, even work a normal woman does daily.

Soon enough daddy USA will take off the training

[N1k1mon]

@alexplus20 I seem to remember a place called Canaan & a group of people, this may sound familiar... Called the Philistines living about that region while you crybabies were wandering the desert of sinai, pissing and moaning, whining and crying your eyes out to Moshe because you had to.... "Walk"

And 'only' got to eat Manna from Heaven... In fact it was due to this whiny ceybaby attitude, along with falling back into mass orgies, child mutilation and sacrifice, that caused your god to curse

[Alexplus20]

sorry but Arabs came and conquered the Jewish land for themselves. They have no right to any land. Stop crying and go back to any of the other 40 something islamic Hell holes that you have also stolen through force from the native peoples. Arabs and Muslims have no right to any land and should stop crying when the jews retaliate to their constant barrage of rockets.

[avikau]

Ask any Palestinian about the ‘Nakba’. This new expression has become part of the glue to the Palestinian narrative. The Nakba, or disaster, is how the Arab world refers to the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel on 15th May, 1948. It only found expression in recent years as a rewriting of a false Palestinian history. It is a historic mistake that must be rectified. It is as if they controlled the land before 1948 and deserve to have it back. Untrue!

[kiloshee]

Wonderful!

[Mahdimav]

If the Palestinians didn't glorify violence, they'd be celebrating their 62nd anniversary as a nation, side-by-side with Israel, instead of whining about their stupid NAKBA.

Yes, the Palestinians ARE a catastrophe!!!!!

[klopte2009]

Brainwashing Islam rubish

[TARASTWO2]

nakba is very REAL Holohoax is an industry

[gertzadek]

The whole Nakba thing is a made up fairy tale!

[antifascistayparaco]

damned gringos

[BayouChick31]

lots of Anti-Zionist gringos out there :)

[aeschhere]

Romans ,

Crusaders , Cossacks , colonialists ,

Nazis ,

Zionists .

Enough ! Where is justice ? On another planet ?

[noora1998]

Hey stupid johnk what ever Jordan is not Palestine get your facts and history straight and than comment.

[johnknoefler]

@noora1998 I did: "In 1920, the San Remo Peace Conference gave Great Britain the mandate for the Land of Israel and Transjordan. In 1921, the British decided to decrease the size of the Jewish national home and to take Transjordan away from it. In 1922, Churchill published the White Paper on this subject. Later that year, the League of Nations approved the changed mandate, which took effect in 1923. "

[noora1998]

@johnknoefler You are a stubborn ass.Palestinian do not belong in Jordan period tell Israeli.s like yourself from Russia ,Poland Etc to pack and go to where ever shit hole they crawled from under.

[johnknoefler]

@noora1998 Said: "johnknoefler, You are a stubborn ass" Thanks for the compliment. That is my best attribute. Also I notice you did not look up the british mandate maps or notice that there was no Palistine under ottoman rule. And the early palistinians were Jewish. It was not until after '48 that arabs refered to themselves as such. Tell you what, When all muslims and arabs leave Britain, USA, France, Canada, Sweden, Ireland, Iran, Lebenon, Then all Jews will leave JEWRUSALEM

Shalom.

[johnknoefler]

The palestinians are free to migrate to Jordan which is the 80% of palistine that was taken from Israel. Jews have no right to migrate back to the lands of thier birth. So Israel is a homeland for the protection of displaced and persecuted Jews. When arabs who live their choose to continue the persecution then those Arabs can expect to be treated harshly.

[tdown996]

ur all racist bitches lets ngo israel!!fuck u palestines!

[umkh]

If criticising Israel's unethical, child murdering policies makes me an anti-semite THEN IM FUCKING PROUD TO BE ONE!!!

"ZIONISM MUST VANISH FROM THE PAGES OF TIME JUST LIKE FASCISM AND COMMUNISM" Ahmedinijad

[johnknoefler]

What of the Jews that fled persecution in Europe, Ethiopia, Yeman, Iraq, Iran, Germany, Poland, Turkey, Ukraine, and all over the world? Did they have no rights? To me it seems like a fair exchange as the numbers are fairly simular.

[giridharkezia]

What happened to the Jewish populace in its history is truly atrocious and heart breaking. Which is why its so terrible that Israel killed and displaced thousands of innocent civilians though its conception, they re-enacted the horrible acts that were committed against them. This is not a game, you talk of fair exchange and numbers, this is an issue of human suffering, and the suffering needs to end.

[johnknoefler]

You completely ignore the issue of the jews in arab and other muslim nations who were driven out and fled to the new state of Israel. You fail to mention that ALL of the jewish refugees were asimulated by Israel while none of the Arab refugees were assimulated by the surrounding muslim nations. No this is not a game and Israel is fighting for survival.

[johnknoefler]

I guess it's okay with you that Hamas diliberately targets children and women.

[giridharkezia]

What?! of course its not okay! Why do you intentionally destroy the civility of the discussion. I specifically said that suffering needs to end, that includes Hamas' attacks, I do not support Hamas because I do not support any group that creates suffering! Now let me say that you completely ignore the mass forced exodus and massacre of the Palestinians in the process of Israels creation. Innocent men women and children were forced from their homes and 1000s murdered.

[giridharkezia]

Please note that I do not for one second believe that you are "OK" with that. So please feel free to debate without flinging accusations and personal attacks.

[johnknoefler]

Israel was given only ten percent of Palistine territory. why don't you admit the real history of the area. What is the total land area of Israel? What is the total land area of Jordan. Jordan was Palistine before it was renamed.

[Marvelhumanity]

And how many has Hamas Killed?

And how many children has Israel killed? 600 only in the last 2 months?

[johnknoefler]

now it's a numbers game?

[Marvelhumanity]

Action speaks louder and numbers are the true verification!

What do you but fabrications. Israel history is a house of lies and deceit.

[evasmagacz]

I love zionist gangster logic of 1948 that if someone flees their home then it is ok to forever prevent them from going back. Just as it is ok for me to wait for some loaded person to leave their lovely Tel Aviv apartment so that I can move in. Must try that next time I visit Israel - I wonder how far this logic will get me.

[ahuviareg]

i have an idea, why dont you all make a nakba for all the milions of jews who were exiled from lebanon, tunis, algir,morocco,egypt, libya ...for all there property that was robbed of them, for all ther synagoges and cemetry that was destroyed and for there identity that was erased. thats the real nakba ,people were banished with no food to other countries and i will not talk of what happened in europe.nakba ? sure , who was the first to do it?

[ahedizhiman]

amazing

[tlmort]

Agreed he should suffer the loss of relatives, his possossions, house, safety, be abusded, beaten, tortured, humiliated daily, then let's see what he thinks ...

lol Jew hating, just knew the cretin was going to say that. These morons can't even work out there is a difference with being anti- Zionist and anti- Semitic and anti- Isreal. all different. I do not hate Jews, I hate to th nth degree Zionists.

[Salamwamat]

tlmort: So you admit that you are Anti Semite?!!!!

[tlmort]

I am pro- Palestinian, an anti- Zionist, Anti- Fascist ... try re reading what I said using your brain, no I am not Anti- Semite.

[yebnawy]

hahahahahaha my dear expect they will say

""no you insult all Jews Fuck you racist warmongers""LOOOOOOOOL

while you are in fact the man who want peace

[djedd23]

not all zionists are Jews. Hell you could be an alien and be zionist. When people say they are anti-zionist, they are usually referring to extreme zionism. In any case anti-zionism does not equate to anti-semitism. besides, doesn't semite mean all peoples of middle-eastern origin?

[tlmort]

> not all zionists are Jews.

Yes I know that, I've visited Palestine

and Israel.

Zionism was originally an *atheistic*, colonialist, expansionist movement ...

racist to the core.

And yes a good point re the definition

of anti- semetism, pity too many rtards

don't know this, brainwashed, bigoted,

zionists.

[yebnawy]

this sites support our idea

rense. com / general64 / zzzio. htm

biblebelievers. org. au / israel. htm

respect to you

[OperationOpera]

Dont you guys think that we should stop harping on the mistakes the Southern Syrians (now called "Palestinians") made in leaving their villages because Arab radio told them to leave so they could slaughter the Jews? Lets focus on current problems like the exploitation of the Palestinian plight by the 22 Arab states who refuse to assimilate them so that they can exploit them for PR purposes. There is an occupation in the ME- the occupation of Gaza by illegitimate Hamas and Lebanon by Hezbollah...

[PauloGVieira]

Southern Syrians! You do realise that since the time of Herodotus in 3BCE they have been called Palestinians.

I think you will find the Palestinians are not interested in another country to settle in - they already have a home and are not going anywhere. You also ignore the fact that Palestinians in Kuwait and Jordan have been very successful but they're still Palestinian and still know their roots.

[tlmort]

from the map ... these among the other attrocities that they committed. And then Zionists wonder?!? lol Fuck Zionism.

[tlmort]

Paulo: Finally someone here I can maybe have an intelligent converstion with. Yes Zionists & Israel are good at spreading lies. Yes I know how small the land is, I should I was in the West Bank a month last Summer. I using the other cretins rhetoric when I mentioned nuking Israel. The Naqba was created when Zionists and other thugs murdered Palestinians, pushed them into the sea even (the only *ever* pushing into the sea that has been done) and then stole their land, erasing villiages from

[mikko522]

I have information directly from a Palestinian who was there in 1948. What "OperationOpera" says is basically true. The people were told to leave so they would be out of harms way.

[PauloGVieira]

So this one person you spoke to speaks for the experience of 750,000 thousand Palestinians that fled? Please grow up!

Not everyone was told to leave by their respective councils, the massacres that told place by the Zionist army were a determining factor.

[tlmort]

What a load of Zionist crap ... keep deceiving yourselves if you must

PALESTINE FOREVER

[cardieunion]

We don't need to deceive anyone tlmort. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons with last strike capability. So there are only two options when it comes to Israel, and it's up to the arabs to choose which one they want.

[tlmort]

Yes 2 options for Zionist Israel; Obey international law, stop breaking the Geneva Convention ever day, stop being racists (you really learned nothing from what the Nazi's did to you? or maybe it's just you're all sick and are wanting revenge on someone?) or be nuked yourselves (tried to keep your nuke capability secret a while eh? Viva Vanunu Mordechai!) ... choice is yours.

And try stop being such leeches from the US while you're at it, see if you can stand on your own feet for once.

[PauloGVieira]

Do you realise how small this land is? You cannot talk of nuking Israel in isolation as it will kill also in surrounding countries.

The danger for Israel is that it is pretty hard to call yourself a Jewish state when vast numbers of people under its authority are not Jewish - demographically the idea is an endangered one. The reality is of a faster growing Palestinian population.

[PauloGVieira]

Nuclear weapons are redundant - they are a deterrent rather than an active weapon.

Two options: Yes I agree, you either have a much trimmed Jewish state or one that encompasses the occupied territories where Israeli Jews will be in the minority. I would be choosing the first option.

[cardieunion]

Paulo, if you accept Israel as a jewish nation in it's 1948 borders, fine (this is not debatable, just as the 20+ muslim nations are not debatable). The two options I was referring to were for the people who think Israel will vanish. If the arabs defeat us, either with conventional weapons, or with WMDs, we will use our nukes, all of them (why else would we have them?). If the arabs can accept us in our 1948 borders, there will be peace (aka, no nuclear war). Like I said, only two options.

[tlmort]

You patronising bastard, no 'assimilation', Palestine for Palestinians. Yeah WMD's just like those ones that Saddam never had.

Hamas was democratically elected you moron, in more fairer and democratic elections that the US have ever had, FACT.

You seem to like stroking your nukes, if Israel dares use them it will be the biggest mistake they make, you will be marked in history for it.

[cardieunion]

Tlmort, if the arabs dared nuke Israel or defeat it using conventional weapons, that'd be the biggest mistake they could make. The worldwide jewish population is only 12 million, but theirs is in the hundreds of millions. They have alot more to lose. And I could care less what "the world" (or should I say, the jew hating part of it) thinks. And yes, Palestine is for Palestinians, Israel is for Jews.

[duck9382]

may ur house will be taken by forced and ur family will be living on the street one day..

[PauloGVieira]

I agree Israel is not going to vanish, just as the Palestinian population will not. Soon they will outnumber Israeli Jews.

You do realise that the Arab League has offered peace to Israel, not on the 1948 borders but on the more generous 1967 borders. Israel has refused this offer, it is not even willing to concede a mere 22% of land to the Palestinians. Disgusting!

The idea of Israel using its nuclear weapons is about as likely as Iran developing one.

[Salamwamat]

PauloGVieira: Palestine is the name that the Roman occupiers gave to the land of Israel in the 1st AD. That name never met an Arab until the british conquest of Israel 2 thausands years later. Palstinian is not a peoplehood but a geografic term. You even can't find "P" in Arabic, so how they can call themselves with "P"?

[PauloGVieira]

You fool Palestine is the English translation from original Latin world and you will find there is no P in the Arabic pronunciation of 'Palestine'!

I am from Portugal and we call ourselves Portuguese and there is no such thing as the Portuguese people, we are Lusitanians. Who are you to lecture a people as to what they can or cant call themselves, you're no one special!

Also the reference Palestine has been used since the time of Alexander!

[yebnawy]

Greetings from Palestine :-)

[johnknoefler]

"Also the reference Palestine has been used since the time of Alexander!" Yes and it usually referred to people of Jewish or Hebrew ancestry after the romans broke the back of the Jewish resistance. It was only after 1948 that Arabs began to call themselves Palistinians. Before that Jews actually referred to themselves as Palistinians if they lived in that area. The others called themselves arabs.

[PauloGVieira]

Old man you should not write on things you dont know much about. I think you will find that Palestine was not used to refer to people of exclusive Jewish ancestry, do I need to remind you of Hellenic ties to the Assyrians in Palestine?

You are also an idiot, the label of 'Palestinian' amongst the Arab community was established during the Ottoman era.

Think before writing.

[OperationOpera]

They left their homes becuase Egyptian radio broadcast that they would slaughter the Jews in a massacre not seen since the Mongols. Tey left thinking they would come back to find dead Jews. This so-called Nakba is their own making. This is an indisputable fact.

[PauloGVieira]

This is a lie and you know it, that Arab countries were broadcasting to leave so they can kill Jews is absolute hogwash!

[petersz98]

What nonsense! Even Israel's own historians admit Nakba was created by massacres and expulsion of the native people like happened with the expulsion of Native Americans from the plains of the United States. Read the works of Illan Pappe, Benny Morris and Tom Segev all Israelis.

[templarkc]

@petersz98 Indeed, see Schlomo Ben Ami, Illlan Pepe and others and others.

[GodSaveThePres]

Why was it REALLY that pharoah drove moses from his country even at the expense of his army? he was angry at the jews for being jewish? ahahahhahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

It's great how you jewdys pretend to be so righteous about israel and being jewish and

being an intellectual

when all you really care about is self-preservation and getting rid of that daunting feeling of inadequacy you seem to have.

[GodSaveThePres]

What does have evidence is the systematic erasure of ONE SEMETIC pharoah named Akhenaten. This pharoah had all of his depictions vandalized and his name practically written from history. This pharoah led a pack of semitic peoples from egypt. This pharoah took his peoples to caanan and defeated the phillistines their. This pharoah then set up in his new state of Isis Ra El after several attacks from the tribes he dispaced.

[GodSaveThePres]

That still belies the fact that you're beloved semitic tribe could have only come and settled in Palestine. And another interesting tidbit is your beloved "Israel" (Isis Ra El) Could only have been egyptian if you want to say that. The Exodus story is obviously flawed, it doesn't even present a coherent linear dialogue let alone a timeline of events for your beloved horde of jews.

[birmington]

I just checked my atlas. I could not find "Palestine."

I did find Israel, though.

[GodSaveThePres]

The opposite could be said of the 2000 years before Israel's glorious sneak attack on a 3rd world country with american WW2 equipment

[birmington]

The term "Palestinians" itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines ("Invaders" in Hebrew), that disappeared over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. The Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine.

[bluesky37043]

Check the holy bible, Palestine is mentioned quite a bit, as well as Isreal too.

[birmington]

There is no such animal as "Palestine" in the bible. There were a people called the Philistines, but that has nothing to do with a place called "Palestine."

[birmington]

The term "Palestinians" itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines ("Invaders" in Hebrew), that disappeared over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. The Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine.

[zazu27604]

does it really matter what were called, its the people that live, if i was called a freaking fucktardian, and someone stole my land i wouldn't what i was called i would still fight to keep it mine.

[nurulhudatuhin]

please,check the map after 10-60yrs again if you are alive. You might not find "Israel".You might see a state called"Palestine".........

[birmington]

I would certainly hope not. Just what we need is still another Islamist terror state

[Ags31]

how horrible to be forced out of your home like that!!! no wonder the palestinians are so upset still.

[BamenYaros]

1 million Jews were expelled/fled from their homes throughout the Arab world betwen 1948 and 1953. 3.2/6 Million of Israels population are desnded from these people but we got out of camps in 1958, we are happy now back in our land after 2000-2500 years in exile. Hopefully for them it wont be that long, they will get a state in their land to return to, no matter wut our government might say.

[Ags31]

I live in nyc & although discrimination still exists, for the most part different groups have learned to live with one another.

There will never be unity in the M.E. as long as Is & Ps are segregated. Look at segregation in the US in the 1960s. It's not easy but it needs to happen.

How to achieve integration is a different ?... not for discussion here... but bottom line is that there will never be peace until people learn to live with one another.

[shadshad898]

Wax figures? That's your proof that Israel drove the Palestinians away from their homes? It's a cool piece of art, but I think it might be a little historically inaccurate.

[nurulhudatuhin]

yea,Israel wanted the land ,not the people who were living there.so...it's a fact...a truth.....even a child can undertand that.

[shadshad898]

Just out of curiosity when do I get my grandfathers home in Syria back after he and his family were forced to flee for Syrian persecution after the creation of the Jewish state on the Jewish homeland?

[mimikechan]

Is art meant to be historically accurate? It was my understanding that it was meant to evoke emotions in the viewer, not be dismissed due to not being 'real life'.

There is a saying you may wish to examine - 'Art imitates life...' - have a think about it.

[Gjalt]

grow a brain

[uchoob00]

neat

[MementoExpose]

sweet

[azmaqq]

The one sided foreign policy dictated by war profiteers of both the American Democratic Party in particular, and the Republican party are horrors to equal any other barbarous ruler in history.

worldly mother