oh and i think thire is a good reson they din't put tifa in the intro tifa is a unlockabul charcter in the game they probly just wanted to keep her a secert.
0:52 , as I guess: Cloud and Hero from DQ 5 are the golden boys from Square Enix.
Cloud represent Square side, and Hero from Dragon Quest V from Enix. I thought it was supposed to be the gero from DQ III , as it is the most popular DQ series in Japan, but the personal favorite from Yuji Hoori and I as well is the DQ 5.
You just say that Clerith is nonsense just because you think so.
So, shall I take you seriously?
So, again, you think the CloTi relationship works even if Cloud treats Tifa like shit, making her angry and heartbroken and all the stuff? So this is your view of a "logical" good-functionating relationship?
@KairiRadiantPrincess The elaborate reasons you people come up with to try and work around the C/T conclusion is mind boggling. You can take straight forward information like "C/T realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC". and come up with 5 different reasons why it isn't "Cloti". Even if they contradict each other and previous points you have made.
Whereas taking these statements at face value (and as a whole) is so much easier.
@IamVendel Aaaah, again, my dear, we're at the same point - that C/T can also realize that they DON'T love each other, according to the version one plays. And again, this is directly stated - that Cloud and Tifa will confirm their feelings and that he will see if their feelings match OR NOT.
@KairiRadiantPrincess See what I mean about 5 different reasons? Take out the names and it is a very clear statement understood by 100% of the literate populace. Put C/T in there and suddenly it is the definition of vague ambiguity right?
And "Or not" huh? This highlights another clerith tactic. Just plain making shit up. Because that looks like a sarcastic post I made earlier. In which case it would also be cherry picking random bits of OOC text that you like. Another clerith tactic.
@IamVendel So, you don't like the "or not"? Well, that's bad luck - if SE thinks the Highwind is optional and has no default version, then who are you to claim that you are right and SE is wrong?
@KairiRadiantPrincess Don't like it? I thought it was hilarious when I added it to the end of a post in a sarcastic manner. I also find it hilarious that you picked up on that and now think it is part of some official quote.
@IamVendel My dear, it IS part of some official quote. It is said at the second paragraph of the FFVII Ultimania Omega. This is basically the line where the Highwind Scene is described - described as OPTIONAL.
Ahh, my dear Vendel, you talk now about the "rare smile"? Guess what is said about that:
"When talking about the "rare" smile Aerith brings out in Cloud, the FFVII Ultimania says that there is "something" between them."
Fail, Vendel, Fail.
Again.
And I would like to know how this works: the "great" Squall of SeeD has "said" himself that Clerith has got evidence, too, yet you dare to claim that we have none. Until now, the only "truth" was the OPTIONAL Highwind.
@KairiRadiantPrincess I quoted directly form the 10th anv Ult. If you have a different source please let us all know. Because it doesn't say that under "Cloud's rare smile". Moron.
Got more what? You have said absolutely nothing.
As for SoS? He was being very generous to the C/A side when he made his LTD article. Even then he said the C/A side "requires ignoring too much". After that he got only misery from those people. You should look up his Hitler/Clerith video. Hilarious.
@IamVendel So, you just think now that mine is wrong and yours is right? This is poor, dear Vendel, poor.
SoS might want to know that the quote of "CloTi being together" was simply translated into German as "Cloud is at the bar with Tifa" ;P
The only side ignoring was yours.
Hitler-Clerith?
Well, you might not know, but this is a serious topic in German. We don't like to see people making fun of this. Especially not those like you who think this is all fun to talk about.
@KairiRadiantPrincess Yes I do know mine is right and yours is wrong. Because I was reading the actual translation when I quoted it. And I notice you don't attempt to actually look into it or try and clarify where your quote came from. You probably just accepted something a fellow C/A traveler told you as fact. You have a nasty habit of believing insanely idiotic things from fellow C/A shippers. Stuff that makes even other C/A shippers shake their heads.
@KairiRadiantPrincess I am unreachable? Says the person who uses Noctis, A guy from a game that isn't even out yet, as part of your grand Clerith proof you sent me in a PM? I have never really been able to wrap my mind around that one.
@KairiRadiantPrincess And here we have a prime example of the C/A shipper mentality. Changing Your argument on the fly. No matter how absurd your theories are or how much the ideas behind them are proven wrong you somehow declare victory. And your "other couples" theory was a load of nonsense from the beginning.
It's a microcosm of the C/A argument. It doesn't mater if 99% of it is shit. You use the little bit of truth you can glean to support the rest.
And when he agrees, it is highly DOUBTED that this is true... ;P
Vendel, I think you are confused. What is said that they confirmed their feelings and THEN see if they match or not - and again, those feelings might be mutual, but NOT OF LOVE.
Learn to read, please, then we could stop debating.
Well, he does.
"To meet her again - this is my dream."
And you MIGHT want to call unto other games NOT playing SEVEN YEARS IN THE PAST. This is poorly done by you.
Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two’s value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come.
............
The night before the final battle
Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match."
@KairiRadiantPrincess And I will repeat. Cloud has never said that "dream" line. And it has never been stated in any official source. Please confer with your fellow pink lunatics. Someone will eventually get around to telling you this as well.
@IamVendel Ahh, Vendel, you are (I hope so) now a grown up, and you must act as one. No cussing, dear.
Just because you don´t want to hear the truth doesn´t mean that SE thinks exactly like you. Poor guy. If I were a CloTi, I would be frustrated that they are so distant xD
Also, AGAIN, it is said that:
* the HA is optional
* they only have mutual feelings in the HA version
So your logic FAILS again. If I were you, I wouldn´t waste time in offending me.
Miss Kairi, if I may be so bold to approach you during your busy discussion with rabble...
It seems that Vendel is determined to make their own logic on this matter, sadly I don't think we'll get through that skull and into the brain.
I must say it is pleasant to see another strong supporter of Cleris like you. Your persistence and patience are commendable. Much like Vendels own, but differently seeing as you and I seem to have similar facts.
@DarkAristocracy Please don't pretend you have facts. Nothing you have said has any substance to it. And nothing you can fabricate can refute what SE has plainly stated. C/T are the canon couple of FFVII. If you can't wrap your mind around that then it is your problem.
This is very easy for me. I just have to re-state what is in the ultimania and other official sources. I don't need to come up with elaborate scenarios to explain them away like you people.
-"A girl with the blood of the Acients flowing through her veins who is engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life (forever)" ~ Aeris' description in CC Ultimania, Japanese Version
-"Each carries their own feelings and love for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his undying feelings for Aerith, even tho this day." ~ Nomura interview; Dengeki Playstation 2007
Need more?
CloTi is past canon. I'm not 'coming up with' anything. Simply stating facts.
@DarkAristocracy Your first quote is not from Aerith's profile in the CC ultimania. Nor Clouds. It might be from The DoC game manual. Which also calls Cloud an ex-soldier. But not an ultimania.
Your second is a partial quote from the Famitsu PS2 magazine in 2003.
So yes I need a lot more from you. You can't even get the worthless quotes you have right.
Vendel, all these Ultimania say Clerith. If you refer to them, it might end bad for your ship ;P
SE did not only say that Aeriths bond with Cloud is unreplacable, also that his feelings are "undying" and that she is, in fact, "engraved in his heart". That he carries "his own love" for Aerith other than the one of his teammates, and that it is his "dream" to meet her again.
Compare this to Tifa taking care of Barrets "daughter" and Cloud being her third child.
@KairiRadiantPrincess All the ultimania say Clerith? Of course! when it says C/T "reveal their feelings for each other and live together" that screams clerith to me. Also when it says flat out that C/T confirm their mutual romantic love for each other under the HW. So totally clerith!
And besides all the usual misquotes I know for a fact that "dream" line was ripped from some magazine. Cloud never says that nor is it stated in any official source.
I am completely un-surprised to see a Cleris/Clerith VS CloTi argument going on in these comments. But instead of jumping in to join the fight, I'll simply say:
Canon Crushes:
Cloud/Tifa [Unrequited until they were adults and she realized he was cool and he didn't like her anymore. Then it reverse unrequited.]
Canon Couples:
Zack/Aeris [Past tense. Sadly he died]
Cloud/Aeris [She moved on after Zack and fell for Cloud. Even in death they reach for each other.]
@DarkAristocracy Funny. SE itself says Cloud and Tifa are the canon couple of FFVII. And that is why they live and raise two children together. And why they have stayed together throughout the compilation.
Really? Nomura himself states the connection between Cloud And Aeris, Tifa and Cloud are simply raising the kids together, with Cloud spending most of his time away working or in Aeris' church. Nomura even said Aeris holds a place in Clouds heart that no one can replace... they have a bond Tifa could never achieve with him.
@DarkAristocracy Let me see. Cherry picking statements out of context? Check. Attempts to rationalize C/T starting a family together? Check. Attempts to diminish Cloud's role in the family by implying he is never home and spends his time pining after Aerith? Check. Just plain making up creator statements? Check.
Honestly you people put way to much effort into this.
@DarkAristocracy I am also not sure why you people seem to think your shipping fantasies override not only basic narrative logic. But also multiple direct statements from the creators in a variety of sources? Can the FFVII 10th anv Ultimania, the CC Ultimania, the reunion files and the FF 20th anv Ultimania (amongst other sources) all be wrong?
In each game Cloud is involved in he is either searching for Aeris or Sephiroth. I like Tifa, don't get me wrong, but CloTi just doesn't make sense with how he feels towards Aeris.
In The Case Of Tifa for example he believes Denzel was sent to him by Aeris, that's why he becomes close to the boy and helps raise him.
In Kingdom Hearts who does he come back to when he regains his memories and finds his light? Aeris.
It's obvious he USED to care for Tifa. But now he loves Aeris.
@DarkAristocracy Each game huh? CC, DoC? And that isn't even counting AU games.
You also seem to have missed that Tifa thinks Denzel was brought to her by Aerith as well. And that Cloud agrees with Tifa that Denzel was brought to THEM.
Regains his memories and finds his light in KH? Where to begin with that one.
So to refute official SE sources you have used almost exclusively AU games? Not a very sold reply my friend.
Here's one fact, in all of the original game, Cloud only laughed once. Who made him laugh? Aeris did. Where as in the past, all Tifa did was ignore him. They are good friends now, but the fact remains that Cloud is searching for a way to meet her again. Nomura himself has explained that Cloud and Aeris share a connection unlike anyone else, as has several other SE employees.
@DarkAristocracy Aerith made him laugh huh? Well he was laughing AT her. Not a very Cloud like action. I wonder what the FFVII 10th anv Ult says about this?
"The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness."
So much for that "special" moment. I wonder how a person who has the amazing ability to ignore anything that doesn't support C/A got that wrong?
Tsk tsk tsk... you shouldn't jump to conclusions about me, Vendel. I'm not a blind man, I can see facts. As for him laughing 'at' her, it was with her if you didn't notice. Both of them were laughing, and it links back to his earlier question of why Turks, who recruit SOLDIER members, were after her, and the assumption she could be cut out for it. She playfully responded and laughed with him.
Your attempts to insult and troll roll off my back, my friend.
@DarkAristocracy Not blind huh? Did it not seem strange to you that SE makes a point of saying Cloud was under Jenova's control? No red flags for this brilliant point you think you made about Cloud laughing?
It's always easy to spot the truly unaware from the shippers. They are the ones when informed of the facts say "thanks I didn't know that". They don't begin trying to justify a non C/T position with ever more elaborate scenarios.
Why the in the hell was auron chibified that's just wrong but I still want this game. P.s. Vaan and Ashe both make me want to throw up at the sight of them!
@GigaBahamut actually i made that comment just to get a reaction like yours, i do not have an opinion on Final Fantasy because I have only played 2 or 3 games.
I love all the people going on about how this opening is some sort of "clerith hint" (And I do loathe the thinking that who Cloud loves is some Davinci code spread throughout AU games). But if you play the game Cloud and Tifa have much more interaction together.
@IamVendel Maybe so, but it's nice to dream. Let us morons indulge in their fantasies through AU games, since no matter what, Cloud's with Tifa in FF7 canon.
@Zakurako The morons comment was for those who believe that C/A being in the same AU game is some sort of "hint" as to who Cloud loves in FFVII. And yes that is as silly as it sounds. But they are out there. Like I said, to them it's some Da Vinchi code spread throughout AU games and merchandise etc. I just like to point out that even with those absurd standards those people still lose.
I personally don't get the whole shipping thing. But hey whatever floats your boat.
This game looks funny lol i kinda want a Dragon Quest X Final Fantasy game. two things about this that annoy me tho. 1 Zidane Tribal is not in it by the looks of things and 2 is that it is only in Japan and not in Europe :(
Cloud-chibi I can understand. Aerith-chibi I will want to hug. Chocobo-chibi is just too damn cute.
...but SQUALLY (?!), AURON (OMGWTF?!), AND SEPHIROTH (I will never get used to him like THAT)?!?! All chibi-fied?! Backed up with a Mario Party style AND a Disney-esque theme?!
Shit, I can't stop laughing and the overall cuteness just exploded my iPod Touch to FFXX.
Do they have an english-version to this game? Want-want-want!!! I can't believe everyone still gets so worked up about this video game pairing. Seriously, who cares? I personally love Tifa/Cloud but I'm not gonna bash people who don't. We all have different opinions and see them different ways...So don't fight because someone see's it different than you. It's a video game people, that's all!!!
This has got to be the best party based board game.
i really wanna go play it in simple english but they won't translate it, even if we get this for the ps2 in english nobody would be able to play it cause of the slim ps3 don't have reverse compatablility.
but if they put it on the ps3 network and added online play this game i think this game could be just as good as mvc2 probably better as long as nobody can't hack it to cheat in anyway
If this was an RPG, everyone would first time playing this game would always put Cloud in their party. After the first time, they would always put Alena in their party.
If this was a Fighting Game, everyone would always try to start off with Auron or Cloud in the Arcade. The second time they would always choose Alena.
Alena kicks major ass. Almost every other attack is a critical hit and if she was a Final Fantasy Character, she would always be hitting 9999 damage with each regular attack.
Alena, the red head girl with the yellow dress, is a martial artist in DQ class characteristics and a Russian Princess or Tsarevna. She is basically a Russian Medieval version of Tifa or a Dragon Quest version of Yang. The thing is though, she has an extremely high critical hit ratio, so she is a must have in the Dragon Quest IV game. Literally, she would just kick everyone's asses that was in her way and just collect 200 dollars on every turn. She is basically an SSJ4 without the fur and tail.
Jesus people are so immature feuding about what is canon or not and totally avoiding what really matters; which is the fun of the game. Awesome video btw; so funny~!
OMFG Everyone's so cute!!! D': (Even the bad guys are)
When the DQ and FF characters reunited for a party, everyone was like WTF when Sephiroth and company came (mostly on Aeris'/Aerith's part... if you know what I mean xD)
maybe because it's made by FUCKING SQUARE FUCKING ENIX, THE CREATOR OF FUCKING FINAL FUCKING FANTASY. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT FUCKING EXPECT THIS?!
*eherm*, with the tone aside.
It is NOT an anime slayer, it's a board game made by square enix, creator of, as I said, FF, and Dragon quest, which is the other game mashed up into this (both RPG). It's a 2004 Promotional special.
SO IF YOU WANT A FUCKING ANIME FUCKING MASHED UP INTO A SINGLE FUCKING GAME, START A FUCKING RIOT IN FUCKING JAPAN
Sorry, since someone decided to be a bit of an idiot and a lil troll, I decided to reply in a "darker" tone. If you were to read it, please skip all the F words inside
aerith had to die only because of such easy way of thinking like making players moved by killing someone. These days video game is getting to be like a drama or film but it always should be with "fantasy". and it has to make us happier like this game.
Auron, Cloud was shaking hands with the hero from Dragon Quest 5. I don't think he has an official name (same with all the other Dragon Quest heroes), so I just call him Roto VI. :P
I want this in english!! lol. Anyone know where an english translation is? One guy has a video up that gives a link at the end, but the link goes to a site in Russian. When you translate the page, you find out that in order to get the file, you have to go to a page where you have to pay nothing, it just helps give them money. Then they want you to sign in...sooo much crap, because in the end, you have to give up your credit card. lol.
Why are you all coming to a vid that clearly shows Clourith wuv? Do you like starting shi*? Do you?
It really makes you look pathetic, you know that? Go debate with yourselves. Its just getting ridiculous now.
By the way, theres a reason Clouriths don't debate with you all anymore, you all can't help but start name calling and making fun of people. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE DONT WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH YOU PEOPLE? Youre too closed minded and immature to speak to.
How the hell do you think Zerith or Cloti is canon? It's stated multiple times that Aerith is IN LOVE WITH CLOUD. Does your delusional mind block that out by choice or are you just that stupid?
Isn't it weird that you all think Cloti is canon yet we never see anything that indicated that?? Are they married in DoC? No. Are they happy? no. Is everything going good for a "Cloti relationship"? NO!
If Cloti was canon, why isn't it them walking hand in hand in this game? Get. Over. IT!
oh and i think thire is a good reson they din't put tifa in the intro tifa is a unlockabul charcter in the game they probly just wanted to keep her a secert.
sexonthebeach4063 1 week ago
why dose the music sound like a cross between ba ba black sheep twinkle twinkle little star and its own little music
sexonthebeach4063 1 week ago
Clourith ♥ ftw
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 weeks ago 2
Gosh, aren't we lucky to have creators who give us such romantic and fluffy stuff for Cloud and Aerith? SE truly loves the CxA fans.
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 weeks ago 3
I played this in japanesse T_T
j4rno0 2 months ago
0:52 , as I guess: Cloud and Hero from DQ 5 are the golden boys from Square Enix.
Cloud represent Square side, and Hero from Dragon Quest V from Enix. I thought it was supposed to be the gero from DQ III , as it is the most popular DQ series in Japan, but the personal favorite from Yuji Hoori and I as well is the DQ 5.
crissio0079 2 months ago
@crissio0079 Finally, someone actually notices Dragon Quest in this video!
CrossoverGameReviews 22 hours ago
I never new this existed till a sceond ago
ultimateanime45 2 months ago
KEFKA?!?!?
Ltheworldchanger 3 months ago
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shockenny 3 months ago
why do these board game videogames have terrible title screens?
shockenny 3 months ago
I like Chibi's,and I like FFVII too,I've beat it like 6 times atleast,and I really want this game,did it ever come to the states?
cloudvol7 3 months ago
@cloudvol7 No it didnt I dont think i would have bought it anyway
linkthewindwaker1 1 month ago
@linkthewindwaker1 Well that's you, I might have.
cloudvol7 1 month ago
thumbs up if you think when the gate open the background music was bah bah black sheep
capala1234 4 months ago
What's all this about Clerith? I SEE SQUINOA. Hell yeah.
PokemonFantasyGirl 4 months ago 9
Please CloTi´s get mad with Square Enix that put Aertih at the intro instead of Tifa and leave Clerith´s fans alone!!! They look so cute ^///^
FalcoknightTomoe 5 months ago 6
even as a chibi, sephiroth is still so frickin cool
Leonknight23 5 months ago
SOOO CUTIEEE!!!!
but... somehow i couldnt imagine Cloud going to something like that
weency1234 6 months ago
Yes, hilarious might be the word, even if its a soft one.
I wonder if SoS has nothing better to do than that. Doesn't give me a good image of him...
In fact, this has shown me that you two can't sink any deeper than this. This is cruel.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess Believe me when I say they brought it upon themselves.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel You don't understand the point, hmmh?
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess Oh I understand the point you are trying to make (for once). I just don't care.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel You are so meany! Can't you just *try* to act like an adult?
And if you don't care, then quit posting! Ò.Ó
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
Ahh, Vendel, this is said by the right one.
You just say that Clerith is nonsense just because you think so.
So, shall I take you seriously?
So, again, you think the CloTi relationship works even if Cloud treats Tifa like shit, making her angry and heartbroken and all the stuff? So this is your view of a "logical" good-functionating relationship?
Aha.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess The elaborate reasons you people come up with to try and work around the C/T conclusion is mind boggling. You can take straight forward information like "C/T realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC". and come up with 5 different reasons why it isn't "Cloti". Even if they contradict each other and previous points you have made.
Whereas taking these statements at face value (and as a whole) is so much easier.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Aaaah, again, my dear, we're at the same point - that C/T can also realize that they DON'T love each other, according to the version one plays. And again, this is directly stated - that Cloud and Tifa will confirm their feelings and that he will see if their feelings match OR NOT.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess See what I mean about 5 different reasons? Take out the names and it is a very clear statement understood by 100% of the literate populace. Put C/T in there and suddenly it is the definition of vague ambiguity right?
And "Or not" huh? This highlights another clerith tactic. Just plain making shit up. Because that looks like a sarcastic post I made earlier. In which case it would also be cherry picking random bits of OOC text that you like. Another clerith tactic.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel So, you don't like the "or not"? Well, that's bad luck - if SE thinks the Highwind is optional and has no default version, then who are you to claim that you are right and SE is wrong?
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess Don't like it? I thought it was hilarious when I added it to the end of a post in a sarcastic manner. I also find it hilarious that you picked up on that and now think it is part of some official quote.
This is high comedy.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel My dear, it IS part of some official quote. It is said at the second paragraph of the FFVII Ultimania Omega. This is basically the line where the Highwind Scene is described - described as OPTIONAL.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
Aeris and Cloud are such a cute couple <33
Oh man,I want this game T^T They're all too cuuuuute~
himekimichan 6 months ago
Ahh, my dear Vendel, you talk now about the "rare smile"? Guess what is said about that:
"When talking about the "rare" smile Aerith brings out in Cloud, the FFVII Ultimania says that there is "something" between them."
Fail, Vendel, Fail.
Again.
And I would like to know how this works: the "great" Squall of SeeD has "said" himself that Clerith has got evidence, too, yet you dare to claim that we have none. Until now, the only "truth" was the OPTIONAL Highwind.
This is poor. We have got more ;P
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess I quoted directly form the 10th anv Ult. If you have a different source please let us all know. Because it doesn't say that under "Cloud's rare smile". Moron.
Got more what? You have said absolutely nothing.
As for SoS? He was being very generous to the C/A side when he made his LTD article. Even then he said the C/A side "requires ignoring too much". After that he got only misery from those people. You should look up his Hitler/Clerith video. Hilarious.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel So, you just think now that mine is wrong and yours is right? This is poor, dear Vendel, poor.
SoS might want to know that the quote of "CloTi being together" was simply translated into German as "Cloud is at the bar with Tifa" ;P
The only side ignoring was yours.
Hitler-Clerith?
Well, you might not know, but this is a serious topic in German. We don't like to see people making fun of this. Especially not those like you who think this is all fun to talk about.
Quit it.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess Yes I do know mine is right and yours is wrong. Because I was reading the actual translation when I quoted it. And I notice you don't attempt to actually look into it or try and clarify where your quote came from. You probably just accepted something a fellow C/A traveler told you as fact. You have a nasty habit of believing insanely idiotic things from fellow C/A shippers. Stuff that makes even other C/A shippers shake their heads.
Hitler thought clerith was canon.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Ahh, well, if you know, then be happy with that ;P
I'm happy with mine, too :3
Vendel, my posting space is limited. I don't have as much freetime as you.
Ahhh, Hitler thought that. How cute.
Since Aerith was a Cetra, he wouldn´t have accepted her inside Midgar at all.
I can't believe how STUPID you can actually GET!!!
TAKING A VERY SERIOUS TOPIC THAT IMMENSELY LIGHTLY!!
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess You want a link to the video? Hitler is in the bunker ranting at his generals because C/T is canon.
Like I said, hilarious.
IamVendel 6 months ago
Ahh, Vendel, you should learn to control your aggression, my dear. That´s not healthy, don´t you know that?
I can´t say how thankful I am, DarkAristocracy, for this former post of yours.
...Still, I think it won´t reach him - Vendel has differenciated himself from every single kind of reality.
He is unreachable xD
What bothers me is that - even if he is that convinced of CloTi - he does not enjoy his pairing. He has to rant...
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess I am unreachable? Says the person who uses Noctis, A guy from a game that isn't even out yet, as part of your grand Clerith proof you sent me in a PM? I have never really been able to wrap my mind around that one.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Ahh, funny that you mention it. You said that the theory was disproven because Serah is no fighter at all.
GUESS WHAT SHE'S DOING IN XIII-2.
Also, it is already known that Noctis will also be a quiet and reserved guy while Stella will be the typical happy-go-lucky.
This proves my theory to the point that it can actually foresee the characters of upcoming games!
Which disproves you again.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess And here we have a prime example of the C/A shipper mentality. Changing Your argument on the fly. No matter how absurd your theories are or how much the ideas behind them are proven wrong you somehow declare victory. And your "other couples" theory was a load of nonsense from the beginning.
It's a microcosm of the C/A argument. It doesn't mater if 99% of it is shit. You use the little bit of truth you can glean to support the rest.
IamVendel 6 months ago
And when he agrees, it is highly DOUBTED that this is true... ;P
Vendel, I think you are confused. What is said that they confirmed their feelings and THEN see if they match or not - and again, those feelings might be mutual, but NOT OF LOVE.
Learn to read, please, then we could stop debating.
Well, he does.
"To meet her again - this is my dream."
And you MIGHT want to call unto other games NOT playing SEVEN YEARS IN THE PAST. This is poorly done by you.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess "For the one I love
Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two’s value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come.
............
The night before the final battle
Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match."
Confirmed MUTUAL romantic feelings. Plainly stated.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess And I will repeat. Cloud has never said that "dream" line. And it has never been stated in any official source. Please confer with your fellow pink lunatics. Someone will eventually get around to telling you this as well.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Ahh, Vendel, you are (I hope so) now a grown up, and you must act as one. No cussing, dear.
Just because you don´t want to hear the truth doesn´t mean that SE thinks exactly like you. Poor guy. If I were a CloTi, I would be frustrated that they are so distant xD
Also, AGAIN, it is said that:
* the HA is optional
* they only have mutual feelings in the HA version
So your logic FAILS again. If I were you, I wouldn´t waste time in offending me.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess
Miss Kairi, if I may be so bold to approach you during your busy discussion with rabble...
It seems that Vendel is determined to make their own logic on this matter, sadly I don't think we'll get through that skull and into the brain.
I must say it is pleasant to see another strong supporter of Cleris like you. Your persistence and patience are commendable. Much like Vendels own, but differently seeing as you and I seem to have similar facts.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Please don't pretend you have facts. Nothing you have said has any substance to it. And nothing you can fabricate can refute what SE has plainly stated. C/T are the canon couple of FFVII. If you can't wrap your mind around that then it is your problem.
This is very easy for me. I just have to re-state what is in the ultimania and other official sources. I don't need to come up with elaborate scenarios to explain them away like you people.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Oh, but I do.
-"A girl with the blood of the Acients flowing through her veins who is engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life (forever)" ~ Aeris' description in CC Ultimania, Japanese Version
-"Each carries their own feelings and love for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his undying feelings for Aerith, even tho this day." ~ Nomura interview; Dengeki Playstation 2007
Need more?
CloTi is past canon. I'm not 'coming up with' anything. Simply stating facts.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
*To
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Your first quote is not from Aerith's profile in the CC ultimania. Nor Clouds. It might be from The DoC game manual. Which also calls Cloud an ex-soldier. But not an ultimania.
Your second is a partial quote from the Famitsu PS2 magazine in 2003.
So yes I need a lot more from you. You can't even get the worthless quotes you have right.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess Please don't speak of logic and reason when you have none. It's offensive to thinking people everywhere.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel Said by the right one ;P
Failing logic but still thinks he is right after all.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
Vendel, all these Ultimania say Clerith. If you refer to them, it might end bad for your ship ;P
SE did not only say that Aeriths bond with Cloud is unreplacable, also that his feelings are "undying" and that she is, in fact, "engraved in his heart". That he carries "his own love" for Aerith other than the one of his teammates, and that it is his "dream" to meet her again.
Compare this to Tifa taking care of Barrets "daughter" and Cloud being her third child.
KairiRadiantPrincess 6 months ago
@KairiRadiantPrincess All the ultimania say Clerith? Of course! when it says C/T "reveal their feelings for each other and live together" that screams clerith to me. Also when it says flat out that C/T confirm their mutual romantic love for each other under the HW. So totally clerith!
And besides all the usual misquotes I know for a fact that "dream" line was ripped from some magazine. Cloud never says that nor is it stated in any official source.
IamVendel 6 months ago
I am completely un-surprised to see a Cleris/Clerith VS CloTi argument going on in these comments. But instead of jumping in to join the fight, I'll simply say:
Canon Crushes:
Cloud/Tifa [Unrequited until they were adults and she realized he was cool and he didn't like her anymore. Then it reverse unrequited.]
Canon Couples:
Zack/Aeris [Past tense. Sadly he died]
Cloud/Aeris [She moved on after Zack and fell for Cloud. Even in death they reach for each other.]
That said. I want this game.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Funny. SE itself says Cloud and Tifa are the canon couple of FFVII. And that is why they live and raise two children together. And why they have stayed together throughout the compilation.
Funny how that works out.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel
Really? Nomura himself states the connection between Cloud And Aeris, Tifa and Cloud are simply raising the kids together, with Cloud spending most of his time away working or in Aeris' church. Nomura even said Aeris holds a place in Clouds heart that no one can replace... they have a bond Tifa could never achieve with him.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Let me see. Cherry picking statements out of context? Check. Attempts to rationalize C/T starting a family together? Check. Attempts to diminish Cloud's role in the family by implying he is never home and spends his time pining after Aerith? Check. Just plain making up creator statements? Check.
Honestly you people put way to much effort into this.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy I am also not sure why you people seem to think your shipping fantasies override not only basic narrative logic. But also multiple direct statements from the creators in a variety of sources? Can the FFVII 10th anv Ultimania, the CC Ultimania, the reunion files and the FF 20th anv Ultimania (amongst other sources) all be wrong?
No I don't think so.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel
In each game Cloud is involved in he is either searching for Aeris or Sephiroth. I like Tifa, don't get me wrong, but CloTi just doesn't make sense with how he feels towards Aeris.
In The Case Of Tifa for example he believes Denzel was sent to him by Aeris, that's why he becomes close to the boy and helps raise him.
In Kingdom Hearts who does he come back to when he regains his memories and finds his light? Aeris.
It's obvious he USED to care for Tifa. But now he loves Aeris.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Each game huh? CC, DoC? And that isn't even counting AU games.
You also seem to have missed that Tifa thinks Denzel was brought to her by Aerith as well. And that Cloud agrees with Tifa that Denzel was brought to THEM.
Regains his memories and finds his light in KH? Where to begin with that one.
So to refute official SE sources you have used almost exclusively AU games? Not a very sold reply my friend.
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel
Official? My, the delusions of purely CloTi fans.
Here's one fact, in all of the original game, Cloud only laughed once. Who made him laugh? Aeris did. Where as in the past, all Tifa did was ignore him. They are good friends now, but the fact remains that Cloud is searching for a way to meet her again. Nomura himself has explained that Cloud and Aeris share a connection unlike anyone else, as has several other SE employees.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Aerith made him laugh huh? Well he was laughing AT her. Not a very Cloud like action. I wonder what the FFVII 10th anv Ult says about this?
"The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness."
So much for that "special" moment. I wonder how a person who has the amazing ability to ignore anything that doesn't support C/A got that wrong?
IamVendel 6 months ago
@IamVendel
Tsk tsk tsk... you shouldn't jump to conclusions about me, Vendel. I'm not a blind man, I can see facts. As for him laughing 'at' her, it was with her if you didn't notice. Both of them were laughing, and it links back to his earlier question of why Turks, who recruit SOLDIER members, were after her, and the assumption she could be cut out for it. She playfully responded and laughed with him.
Your attempts to insult and troll roll off my back, my friend.
DarkAristocracy 6 months ago
@DarkAristocracy Not blind huh? Did it not seem strange to you that SE makes a point of saying Cloud was under Jenova's control? No red flags for this brilliant point you think you made about Cloud laughing?
It's always easy to spot the truly unaware from the shippers. They are the ones when informed of the facts say "thanks I didn't know that". They don't begin trying to justify a non C/T position with ever more elaborate scenarios.
IamVendel 6 months ago
Uhh they are all so cute and fluffy and cute and tiny and cuuute <3
najouafan 7 months ago
Wow where can i download this?plz send me the link ^^
zepthesis 7 months ago
Gosh, everyone looks so adorable here. Little Yuna and little Rinoa is so cute! XD
Fatin1315 7 months ago
Well this was silly
Guypersonmanthing3 7 months ago
God....you guys are still argument....?
Sao0011 7 months ago
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IamVendel 7 months ago
@Sao0011 You are sentence fragment?
IamVendel 7 months ago
epic win
NarutoRocks2011 7 months ago
Yay clerith I see cleirth! ^.^ so cute seeing cloud chasing aeris when she runs away lol anyone else agree with me? lol
Bleachfan113 8 months ago 12
@Bleachfan113 Agreed!
pthaeloblue 7 months ago
@Bleachfan113 I agree! it's so cute to see Cloud and Aerith on, like, this mini date. <3
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 weeks ago 3
Auron with that music... thats... soo... wrong XDD
SephyCyndi 9 months ago
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star
TheresPooOnMyShoe 9 months ago
Okay I'm the one to say it this reminds me alot of Mario party.
INGENCEO1 9 months ago
WTF Sephiroth and that villain appear and they just celebrate with them? Oh Square Enix Party...
AdventurousMoh 9 months ago
Why the in the hell was auron chibified that's just wrong but I still want this game. P.s. Vaan and Ashe both make me want to throw up at the sight of them!
cloakedcloud15 10 months ago
How... horrifyingly corny....
GreenGearMood 11 months ago
i want this game on psp or even on ipod
Gali101 11 months ago
Final Fantasy sucks in comparison to Dragon Quest.
22LiquidSnake 1 year ago
@22LiquidSnake Dont be a hater
GigaBahamut 10 months ago
@GigaBahamut actually i made that comment just to get a reaction like yours, i do not have an opinion on Final Fantasy because I have only played 2 or 3 games.
22LiquidSnake 10 months ago
Lol, insanity.
AeonofOblivion 1 year ago
Oh maaan. Do we not get this because they think we wouldn't "get" it, or for some legal nonsense?
Imadjinn 1 year ago
So... mario party Square-style?
FlairdashStudios 1 year ago
@FlairdashStudios
itadaki street is Enix's old game series. older than mario party.
in this game, DQ members are host. FF members are outsider.
sijotakane 1 year ago
nawww~ lil' cloud, aerith and sephy are sooo cute!!!
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
newww~ lil' cloud, aerith and sephy are sooo cute!!!
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
I love all the people going on about how this opening is some sort of "clerith hint" (And I do loathe the thinking that who Cloud loves is some Davinci code spread throughout AU games). But if you play the game Cloud and Tifa have much more interaction together.
Morons.
IamVendel 1 year ago
@IamVendel Maybe so, but it's nice to dream. Let us morons indulge in their fantasies through AU games, since no matter what, Cloud's with Tifa in FF7 canon.
Zakurako 1 year ago
@Zakurako The morons comment was for those who believe that C/A being in the same AU game is some sort of "hint" as to who Cloud loves in FFVII. And yes that is as silly as it sounds. But they are out there. Like I said, to them it's some Da Vinchi code spread throughout AU games and merchandise etc. I just like to point out that even with those absurd standards those people still lose.
I personally don't get the whole shipping thing. But hey whatever floats your boat.
IamVendel 1 year ago
This game looks funny lol i kinda want a Dragon Quest X Final Fantasy game. two things about this that annoy me tho. 1 Zidane Tribal is not in it by the looks of things and 2 is that it is only in Japan and not in Europe :(
TheBoredomOtaku 1 year ago
Yuna summons die
curse12ify 1 year ago
Cloud-chibi I can understand. Aerith-chibi I will want to hug. Chocobo-chibi is just too damn cute.
...but SQUALLY (?!), AURON (OMGWTF?!), AND SEPHIROTH (I will never get used to him like THAT)?!?! All chibi-fied?! Backed up with a Mario Party style AND a Disney-esque theme?!
Shit, I can't stop laughing and the overall cuteness just exploded my iPod Touch to FFXX.
totlmstr 1 year ago
lmao I started laughing when I saw chibified auron
Goldengirl159 1 year ago
Holy shit you werent playing about the extreme cuteness!!!
BurningTiger641 1 year ago
kiryl and alena??!!!?!?! LOVEZ IT
lilmissfarah 1 year ago
Do they have an english-version to this game? Want-want-want!!! I can't believe everyone still gets so worked up about this video game pairing. Seriously, who cares? I personally love Tifa/Cloud but I'm not gonna bash people who don't. We all have different opinions and see them different ways...So don't fight because someone see's it different than you. It's a video game people, that's all!!!
xPinkScorpiox 1 year ago
This has got to be the best party based board game.
i really wanna go play it in simple english but they won't translate it, even if we get this for the ps2 in english nobody would be able to play it cause of the slim ps3 don't have reverse compatablility.
but if they put it on the ps3 network and added online play this game i think this game could be just as good as mvc2 probably better as long as nobody can't hack it to cheat in anyway
wildeagle2 1 year ago
0:49 you can see clearly that Cloud is running after Aerith, wheres Tifa?!!? running the bar stand ;D LMAO.
DessyAnnmarie 1 year ago
ahahaha...XD me da cura el jueguito , ooo cloud , me hubiera gustado mas con tifa XD ... ahaha bn cute el jueco <3
archivalda4 1 year ago
If this was an RPG, everyone would first time playing this game would always put Cloud in their party. After the first time, they would always put Alena in their party.
If this was a Fighting Game, everyone would always try to start off with Auron or Cloud in the Arcade. The second time they would always choose Alena.
Alena kicks major ass. Almost every other attack is a critical hit and if she was a Final Fantasy Character, she would always be hitting 9999 damage with each regular attack.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Alena, the red head girl with the yellow dress, is a martial artist in DQ class characteristics and a Russian Princess or Tsarevna. She is basically a Russian Medieval version of Tifa or a Dragon Quest version of Yang. The thing is though, she has an extremely high critical hit ratio, so she is a must have in the Dragon Quest IV game. Literally, she would just kick everyone's asses that was in her way and just collect 200 dollars on every turn. She is basically an SSJ4 without the fur and tail.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
i would pay $4,000,000 for this game
McScreamo 1 year ago
are there any english version of this game.
strevor79 1 year ago
OMG, everybody is so cute! :D Especially the chocobo and slime.
EricandTheCheat 1 year ago
looks like a cute game,. mario party but with ff and dq characters
hovsec 1 year ago
Jesus people are so immature feuding about what is canon or not and totally avoiding what really matters; which is the fun of the game. Awesome video btw; so funny~!
marieera 1 year ago
Kawaii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leena113 1 year ago
uuuuh...twinkle twinkle little star? WTF is this?
MrCrazyblackass 1 year ago
I would love to try and play this game!
kekekuku 1 year ago
Is this game rare? Please some answer asap. (:
TheNightMistress 1 year ago
Hero from DQ and Cloud from FF-as friends-cute !
:3
p6mkq 1 year ago
Tifa:Cloud look,it is Sephiroth,again ! Do something !
Cloud:Oh no,Sephiroth is here too,again...how boring=(
Aerith:Gulp...
Sephiroth :No worries,everyone ! Why have I come ?
Because I am cute,badass and I want to play a board game with you =)
Cloud,Aerith,Tifa:Phew...
XD
p6mkq 1 year ago 6
OMFG Everyone's so cute!!! D': (Even the bad guys are)
When the DQ and FF characters reunited for a party, everyone was like WTF when Sephiroth and company came (mostly on Aeris'/Aerith's part... if you know what I mean xD)
XirianValeria01 1 year ago
wow!
i'm amazed they haven't brought this to america yet xD
HumDog 2 years ago
Mario Party, much?
XGiftedGamerX 2 years ago
lol I'll say
Leena113 2 years ago
Yep, Mario Party wannabe, but hey! fanboys vote negative your comment!... oh lord...
CrakerMc 1 year ago
CloudxAerith hint right there! XD
Aprillis29 2 years ago 38
*Gasp* Rikku!!!
narutokid2k7 2 years ago
well... cloud... he doesnt have his cold personality... didnt like that U.u
pyrolink182 2 years ago
He's not emo because.... Aerith is not dead? ;P
Aprillis29 2 years ago 36
Does it have every charac from in the scene, including FF and DQ characters?
hehe I never expected cloud and hero shaking hands will be so entertaining.
Boco and slime together, such a funny sight.
FFXfever 2 years ago
thanx -.- you don't have been so unfriendly :(
PinkCloudo 2 years ago
mhh i dunno i kinda know the song ^^
PinkCloudo 2 years ago
its twinkl twinkl little star u dumb ass
dathfire 2 years ago
@dathfire LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Epicness. xD
DessyAnnmarie 1 year ago
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why? why? WHYYYYYY?!
why is there final fantasy characters in this game?!
that should be fucked up!!!!!!!
i don't want final fantasy characters in that game!!!!!
that game should supose to have someone like:slayers
its a anime slayers,card captor sakura,chobits or something!!!!!!
well don't worry about that!
but be careful because i fucking hate final fantasy!!!!!!!!
bruxinhaas 2 years ago
maybe because it's made by FUCKING SQUARE FUCKING ENIX, THE CREATOR OF FUCKING FINAL FUCKING FANTASY. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT FUCKING EXPECT THIS?!
*eherm*, with the tone aside.
It is NOT an anime slayer, it's a board game made by square enix, creator of, as I said, FF, and Dragon quest, which is the other game mashed up into this (both RPG). It's a 2004 Promotional special.
SO IF YOU WANT A FUCKING ANIME FUCKING MASHED UP INTO A SINGLE FUCKING GAME, START A FUCKING RIOT IN FUCKING JAPAN
FFXfever 2 years ago
uhhh wut
TheTortoiseSage 2 years ago
Sorry, since someone decided to be a bit of an idiot and a lil troll, I decided to reply in a "darker" tone. If you were to read it, please skip all the F words inside
FFXfever 2 years ago
Was this game ever released in English?
pokemypocky 2 years ago
@pokemypocky No, dear. It's Japan exclusive. :>
XirianValeria01 1 year ago
aerith had to die only because of such easy way of thinking like making players moved by killing someone. These days video game is getting to be like a drama or film but it always should be with "fantasy". and it has to make us happier like this game.
thumbsucker17 2 years ago
Wow I should really prepared to watch something this cute.
Leena113 2 years ago
kyaa~ it's really cute! esp. cloud & aerith.. :D
lol when sephiroth came XD
ExXcaLibuR78 2 years ago 5
Who did Cloud shake hands with at 0:52? And did this game ever come out in the US?
Auron12786 2 years ago
Auron, Cloud was shaking hands with the hero from Dragon Quest 5. I don't think he has an official name (same with all the other Dragon Quest heroes), so I just call him Roto VI. :P
TheDevilbuster 2 years ago
wut
Addicted2gaming 2 years ago
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anus
plasticPlaystation 2 years ago
I want this in english!! lol. Anyone know where an english translation is? One guy has a video up that gives a link at the end, but the link goes to a site in Russian. When you translate the page, you find out that in order to get the file, you have to go to a page where you have to pay nothing, it just helps give them money. Then they want you to sign in...sooo much crap, because in the end, you have to give up your credit card. lol.
DeathOfChaos 2 years ago
wen does it release in aus??
AnimationChix 2 years ago
oops I should read comments first before asking questions. lol I'm tired.
yuna2013 2 years ago
lol this is so cute! has it been released in the US?
If so I so want to get this game!
yuna2013 2 years ago
total mario party, rip-off
exept with square enix characters!
sorta better than that fat plumber XD
jo5674 2 years ago 4
Lol, true.
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 years ago 3
This game series came out about seven years before Mario Party did O.o
UnderAvg 2 years ago
o.O
jo5674 2 years ago
Cutest thing I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!
Leena113 2 years ago 3
This game was made in 2004 and has Vaan and Ashe but FFXII wasn't released until 2006. ;)
EPhontanilla 2 years ago 2
aren't Vaan and Ashe in itadaki portable?
RebornRevolution 2 years ago
aye que chulas xD
Caroline5003 2 years ago
Aww!Rikku looks cute when she was dancing!
XxYunie19xX 2 years ago 2
this better come out in US!
1xCloudStrifex1 2 years ago
released on December 22, 2004
its 2009 so what do ya think?
boy5freak 2 years ago
i've never even heard of this or seen it til now smartass, so i wouldn't know.
1xCloudStrifex1 2 years ago 2
Ain't that happy enough?
caiomelow 2 years ago
OMG SEPHIROTH IS ADORABLE.
KopaKura 2 years ago
Shit, man. You guys are freaks. I can't believe how many people go bat-shit crazy for fictional characters.
Step away from the playstations.
AreUSrslyGoinThurr 2 years ago 17
Right on.
linegenrou 2 years ago
@AreUSrslyGoinThurr XD LOL.
DessyAnnmarie 1 year ago
Why are you all coming to a vid that clearly shows Clourith wuv? Do you like starting shi*? Do you?
It really makes you look pathetic, you know that? Go debate with yourselves. Its just getting ridiculous now.
By the way, theres a reason Clouriths don't debate with you all anymore, you all can't help but start name calling and making fun of people. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE DONT WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH YOU PEOPLE? Youre too closed minded and immature to speak to.
GROW. THE. FUCK. UP!
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 years ago 40
How the hell do you think Zerith or Cloti is canon? It's stated multiple times that Aerith is IN LOVE WITH CLOUD. Does your delusional mind block that out by choice or are you just that stupid?
Isn't it weird that you all think Cloti is canon yet we never see anything that indicated that?? Are they married in DoC? No. Are they happy? no. Is everything going good for a "Cloti relationship"? NO!
If Cloti was canon, why isn't it them walking hand in hand in this game? Get. Over. IT!
CaliforniaBabeWV 2 years ago