terence mckenna

[daschus]

Mr. T got it under control folks, kick back and enjoy the wisdom

[BahaVII]

everyone looks stoned ;P

[awastedname]

That's my mother in law in the background!

[digimaton]

sorry, don't buy it, it's yet another McKenna ramble-fest, riddled with hyberbolic nonsense, besides, evolution is non-linear, short bursts of novelty appear after long periods of stasis, it's called punctuated equilibria, he seems to be wrapped up in some anthropomorphic unidirectional arrow of time delusion.

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton If you study any natural science, you will notice that all "matter" evolves. There is no stasis in nature, as you describe. Only gradual, continuous change, accentuated by bursts of rapid change. It is a matter of scientific fact that nature is and has been growing more complex from as far back as we can see to the present.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder not sure you've read the comment, you picked one word, "stasis," and recontextualized it to suit your particular bias without even taking the time to establish what it infers in terms of the punctuated equilibrium hypothesis. Are you discussing macro or micro level evolutionary change? Nowhere have I disputed the scientific basis of complexity theory so please try and stick to the point if offering criticism.

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton You have to dispute the scientific basis of complexity to disagree with what Mckenna is saying here. The one word, "stasis", is the root of your disagreement. If you accept that there is constant growth in complexity, then you agree with Mckenna's view.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder not at all, you are ignoring the relativistic aspect of this, there are different scales of reference, you cannot generalise and lump everything together using one wide ranging over simplification; one that is derived from an anthropomorphically centered understanding of space-time. And no, all matter does not evolve, what a ridiculous statement, are you now refuting the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton Everything IS lumped together. That is the reality we all experience. If you dig deep enough into any field of study, it will eventually converge with all others. The exact nature of "matter" is still up in the air. But what can be consistently noted is the building of complexity, on all levels.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder I'm sorry, i appreciate what you are trying to express, but again stating that "everything IS lumped together" is again a gross generalization, it lacks any real weight in terms of a discussion about the observable universe. Are you referring to a metaphysical "everything is one" hypothesis? if so, sure, of course it is, but an equivalent, intellectually based, and scientifically communicable, theory of everything, does not exist, despite Mc Kenna's effort to express otherwise

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton Do you not trust your own experience? Do you live in a vacuum tube where you are separated from the rest of reality? ALL science is theory. That is one of the points Mckenna is getting at. No one has it ALL figured out, but we can observe, and the constant throughout time has been a building of complexity.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder no I don't, observation is both subjective and relative. The very act of observing influences the outcome of the observation: dependent upon preconceived notions about what it is one is observing.

Stating that "constant throughout time has been a building of complexity" is a generalization, it presupposes both the existence of a first cause and an immutable trajectory toward "increasing" complexity. Chaos, order, and complexity (the median) are in a constant state of flux.

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton The clarity of observation is based directly on your level of understanding. It changes nothing of what is being observed, only your own perception of it. Only meaning is subjective, not form or function. There is no such thing as chaos. You cannot separate anything in this existance. Trying to, only leads to confusion. The illusion of chaos. The tragectory towards increasing complexity is self-evident.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder sorry but you are contradicting yourself now, take a good read of what you just wrote. There is chaos, just are there is complexity, and order, i think you should brush up on your understanding of the three instead of pretending to be a Buddha. The appearance of increasing complexity within a particular time frame, within a particular region of space time, does not imply the existence of an immutable law; systems collapse, galaxies die and are reborn, there is a constant flux.

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton You are the one speaking as if you've been around for eons. You have no evidence for your claims, just theories. Same as me. However, what I am talking about is self-evident. Look at your own development. You should put more stock in your experience. Chaos is absolutly subjective. We have yet to see a breakdown of complexity. Nothing that has been learned has been lost. And in this very moment, reality is as complex as it has ever been here.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder new age mumbo jumbo, self-evident for you maybe, by why are you projecting your experience, of your reality, onto others, as if it were some absolute? My experience is that of a permanent state of flux, complexity exists at the edge of chaos, systems are self-organising, and disintegrating, continuously, order arises, and passes away, there is no single immutable trajectory, that's my view, that's my experience, it differs from yours, nothing further to be said really.

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton We all experience physical reality with the same senses. We all feel the same emotions. Otherwise we could not communicate ideas. You are living in a delusion where tangible experience is subjective. Do you forget everything you know when you learn something new? Have you regressed to infantcy at random points in your life?

As for the new age mumbo jumbo, you are the one saying physical reality is subjective. The primary belief in the new age religion.

[digimaton]

@NewPeaceOrder common physiology does not infer an identical use of the sensory apparatus. The process of sensing, perceiving, and cognizing can vary remarkably from individual to individual. I am certainly deluded, I have forgotten many things, and I have certainly experienced instances of regression in my life. I also believe that all sense dependent experiences are ultimately subjective. It's very simple, we disagree, let's move on : )

[NewPeaceOrder]

@digimaton Mental functions have little to do with the physical presence of matter. It seems that you are implying that physical existance is completely dependant on the individual. You certainly are delusional. If you realize it, why keep at it? What makes you think sense dependant experiences are subjective? When the fact that we experience the same is the basis of our ability to communicate.

[yehcnimoigres]

I think this video gets at the heart of what I find wrong with McKenna's thinking. He just assumes that everything has a purpose. It can't just be a drug induced trip, it must be a message from extraterrestrials. It can't just be exponential growth/development, we must be here for a reason. And the recent discovery that we are not the center of the universe and are quite insignificant in the grand scheme of things is disconcerting, so it must be false.

[JohnnyHacksaw]

@yehcnimoigres you don't get it at all.

[yehcnimoigres]

@JohnnyHacksaw This is the same reply all McKenna fans give me. No retort, no explanation, just, "you don't get it", with the implication that I'm somehow less enlightened because I don't accept the assumptions inherent in mystical thinking.

[52appaZ]

@yehcnimoigres you just dont get it dude. give up

[yehcnimoigres]

@52appaZ Damn. Maybe if I take shrooms, ayahuasca, and THEN smoke DMT, I'll encounter the aliens and they'll teach me.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres "It can't just be"? What a terrible scientist, philosopher, or any kind of thinker you would make if you figure things just are and there is no reason to question or inquire further or make more sense of them. What is "just a drug induced trip"? The brain is so complex that we hardly have an idea of what is going on in it sober much less in the presence of outside influence.  Isn't there something interesting about exponential novelty? He wasn't saying it "must be false" becaus

[yehcnimoigres]

@neuronautpat Yes, the brain is absolutely a poorly understood organ. That makes his ideas even more far-fetched. I don't really understand what you're trying to say. To me, it seems like he's using his ideas to fill a gap in our knowledge much in the same way religions provide an answer to the big questions. I'm just not understanding why someone would express such certainty of something for which there's no data. If there is a purpose we certainly haven't found it yet.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres I don't know how much of his stuff you've read/listened too, but in the above case he was speaking to an audience that wanted to hear affirmative "facts", and so he uses that word, but in most cases he tends to make fun of his own ideas and proceed to the next one with the transition "if you buy that" or some silly thing. He even struck out previous more far-fetched ideas as most probably wrong. He's just introducing interesting ideas and theories, not saying he is right alone.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres In fact, he often expressed his distaste for religions and for gurus, reminding his more avid followers that he was not one and that everyone should find answers for themselves. See catch phrases like "psychedelics open one to the idea that everything you know is wrong", "Nobody is smarter than you are", etc.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres (cont) it's disconcerting. Why is the scientific establishment declaring that everything is random and meaningless any less pigheaded than declaring that if you look around there seems to be something more going on? What you do has very little importance and it's very important that you do it.

[yehcnimoigres]

@neuronautpat Look, I'm just a 19 year old kid trying to learn some science at my uni, but I have yet to be told by any of my professors that everything is random and meaningless. Do I have to take cosmology to be passed down this holy knowledge from the scientific overlords? Seriously, though, I just don't understand this big bad scientific establishment that he talks about. The thing I appreciate about science is its willingness to admit ignorance in the face of no data.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres I don't no what manner of science you're taking. I'm an anthropologist, in my masters for archaeology at the moment. In the science of evolution they stress that random mutation leads the way, the Lamarckian inheritance is (as you say across the pond) bollocks. But in my biological anthro class last semester there were hints of epigentics taking back this idea that meaningful changes in an individuals life may indeed pass traits to offspring.

[yehcnimoigres]

@neuronautpat I'm studying biology, and that's very interesting if it turns out correct. But I don't see what that has to do with this. Are you trying to imply that biologists have chosen random mutation as the driving force of natural selection simply to support some blind, meaningless view of the cosmos?

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres No, I'm saying they have used Lamarck as the ridiculous "bad science" laughable example until very recently. The implication to me seemed to be "don't try to find meaning or purpose in anything, it doesn't belong in science". When I look at the world I see intricate patterns and the exponential growth of complexity Terence mentions here. All he is saying is that science offers no explanation of this. It certainly doesn't fit with chaos theory 5.1... or does it?

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres Also, understand that McKenna was a huge science nerd from day one. He doesn't have a distaste for science, for an establishment that rejects his and other fringe ideas that are scary. That's supposed to be religion's job. You would understand the big bad establishment more if you were a psychiatrist that believed a dose of psilocybin would really help many patients and were blacklisted for it. Science itself admits ignorance, the establishment teams with government and tells

[yehcnimoigres]

@neuronautpat I can definitely see where there are political problems in the medical community with prescribing certain drugs, so if that's what he's on about then no argument there.

[neuronautpat]

@yehcnimoigres (cont.) you what is good for you, what is acceptable to experiment with, etc. The establishment is interested in maintaining boundaries. Science and psychedelics are interested in destroying them.

[momtoo]

I miss you my darling 6'2" leprechaun...your eyes were wide open to what is manifesting. Thank you for your love and kindness, you wit and weirdness. Love ALL ways!!

[grifas111]

that woman in the background looks really pissed off and bored

[TMKchld]

Love these impromptu sessions with Terence...they're riveting...Thanks much!(are there more?)

[phonker1234]

Is there anymore of this video? Or did he just talk for 5 minutes?

[ZombieSkillet]

why do these people look tired in the background. you listen to terence!!! lol this is interesting and compelling information. i could listen to tmk all day

[jystyle]

@ZombieSkillet maybe they dont understand a word he is saying closed mindedness?

[deluder666]

Ive had the extreme pleasure of doing workings with the man. Genius in the true sense of the word.

[TMKchld]

Absolutely...and how blessed you are...!!

[CiscoNast]

everyone in this video is just a bunch of white/asian losers screwing up their faces to try to act like the kings and queens of england or scotland

[DannyRind]

i was there!

[marcpen]

Steve Teers was sending a video feed of this up to the control room and I was mixing it with a mashup of swirling fractals and other trippy stuff and projecting it on the screen behind Terence. I have a video of it somewhere.

[Silvertaab]

look at this asian girl to his left, she keeps rolling her eyes like why she even showed up to this lecture

[luv2bud]

Her date probably dragged her there against her better judgement. I doubt she had any idea what the hell Terence was talking about.

[YourLordVicious]

@luv2bud

eggs on his face...

[smudge6699]

So, we're spiralling towards a singularity of something.

I'll go with that.

[ughre]

'Spiralling' being the operative word. Golden Ratio.

[smudge6699]

I wonder what's on the other side?

;-)

[thirdworldassassin]

when the next evolutionary step goes down , our brains pineal gland will simply release dmt instead of serotonin and melotonin according to terrence .... i think its true ...

[woopwoop49]

Tryptophan > Serotonin > Melatonin > Pinoline > 5-MeO-DMT > DMT

[thirdworldassassin]

for shizzle my nizzle holla

[CiscoNast]

can u explain that? do the ">" mean greater than? or what is that. i know its neurotransmitters...

[woopwoop49]

like the order in which they are activated, nn DMT being last.. its well interesting stuff like! shame most the western culture dnt teach us about that kinda stuff tho, cuz they want us dulled down.

[quardt10]

I love this guy

[lameduckg]

the girl in back looks bored

[michaelduggan3]

This is weird. He is giving a lecture on the main danceflor in Heaven...somewhere I've been loads of times (but not to listen to lectures!). Weird!

[BigGNo1]

Fraser has left the Planet...............

[GraveImplications]

that asian chick looks bitchy

[joefleet]

Hahahahaha.

[translinguistic]

I love Terence. R.I.P kid i know you're there waiting for us.

[PrettySneaky]

@translinguistic No you dont know that.. ;)

[XZQVenus2]

This Time Wave Zero stuff is pretty far out. You can still DL the software in many flavors. The peaks in the wave fall in some pretty uncanny places, but how it is really useful is not easy to see.

[EGMAG]

FOUR With observation, relativeness and complexities of energies, light, time and speed, the theories and statements of the scientific communities worldwide, have yet to and more likely never will, satisfy all people by valid clear experimentations that can be seen as proofs of theories that just cannot be performed in any situation, due to the limits of natural laws; that includes the boundaries of Physics!

[EGMAG]

THREE B Thus we have unrestricted energy transformations that are infinite in expansion and contraction without boundaries,or a time zero! Otherwise the "admirable" Laws of Physics constructed from calculus, trig and mathematical sciences, are based on overlooked flawed foundations, although workable logically, are incorrect in totality!

[EGMAG]

THREE A Any truth seeking 'sober' scientist would know, that the intelligent use of the Laws of Physics, indicates an infinite energy universe with no beginning and no end. If the cause and effect action-reaction is true; than an original BB had an evolving cause too!

[Dennio83]

@ EMAG

yes well.. start reading about the super string theory. It will provide you with a cause. If the universe is infinitely large and you remember how atomic bombs works, then you can start calculating. Time was born when two things started to move away from eachother. I think its radiation/[light] : let there be light. Terence was concerning himself about purpose: there is time so that everything doesnt happen at once. Time is running out, pack your bags and enjoy the trip! :-)-'

[EGMAG]

Ferget the super string theory. It's only when you extrapolate from a big bang theory. If Physics is to be understood as universal in its laws; then cause and effect must be infinite or created! This indicates a pre-big bang plasma of some sort; while reaffirming energy as infinite, or until a solitary creator made it all happen.

[EGMAG]

He keeps repeating the same shit! In a nutshell evolution.

[LothairApoclyane]

you aren't following well enough to nutshell what he's saying

[Impermanence]

@ EGMAG

It's just a little bit more complicated than that lol. You obviously have not heard or read much of Terrence's brilliant work and just jumped in with a stupid comment, he's speaking about the transcendental object at the end of history, or omega point, but don't worry about it, leave it to the thinkers. ;-)

[EGMAG]

TWO B How can we explain and teach our today known and practiced Laws of Physics, without evolving our minds and sciences, with questionings and skepticisms, that may reveal even more revelations to the real truths about our universe?

[EGMAG]

TWO A The puzzle is that modern day Physicists still cling to the 186 thousand miles per second concept that refuses to allow a measurement of mass to radiations/[light], and tags the concept of time to the speed of light as if the two were born together in some imaginary Big Bang at time zero mass zero!

[EGMAG]

ONE I saw that story, "Freezing light", and it is really nothing new. In fact it occurs in nature all over the universe, all through eons of years! Merely, it is the slowing of energy passage transference from one electron to another like a football passes from player to player!

Just like light through a prism or an opaque fets a bit slowed than exits with full energy and speed at the other end.

[keepinitdown]

If you have other ideas than what is mainstream and can validate them with plausable speech, then why not verbalise them publically and in person? Such as what Mckenna had the balls to do.

[EGMAG]

keepinitdown verbalise <<

I do on you tube. I am still learning just like everyone else I suppose. Just what in a nut shell is McKenna preaching?

[keepinitdown]

tough question. Mckenna is a philosopher and historian. He advocates the deep connection humans can make with the spiritual realm. Throughout history different tribes and cultures have had some form of shaman who provides enlightenment to his fellows by being the pivitol guide into this realm and from which extracts higher learning and a greater, human, symbiosis with reality. This is achieved in part with phychodelic drugs to mediate the journey. Mckenna is trying to educate this world which

[keepinitdown]

in his mind is entering a state of spiritual blindness by being ignorant to the higher complexities us humans should have relationship with. In a way he is preaching for the masses to wake up and get back to our heritage and build on the paeleontological findings of our forefathers which can be accessed through psycholdelic drugs.

[quenby23]

You've become stuck inside your intellect instead of living in your soul.

[solargazing69]

that is one of the most psychedelic videos of terence i've ever seen...

muchos Garcias!

[edyersh]

" The human being (the most complex, and so most conscious piece of matter) is so conscious that it is 'reflective,' which means that the human being can reflect on him or herself. The human being is self-conscious, or as Teilhard put it, is "consciousness squared." "