Democracy? The united States of America is a REPUBLIC

[weareallanon]

It is SUPPOSED to be a Republic, the politicians CALL IT a Democracy, it IS an Oligarchy.

[HoGraz]

You lost me with socialism and fascism are one in the same. Sure fascism meets right and left together. Sure we're a fascist country anyway. I mean two party dictatorship is nuts. What do you think libertarianism wants? The corporations are totally going to control everything unless they use some antitrust laws on them. Shit having a progressive tax is away the elites don't control everything. The Republicans are the elites half the time cause they want to hold onto the cash and deregulate.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz I don't think I said they are one in the same I tried to indicate the two work together to meet the bosses and the workers but ultimately milks all the wealth out of the system for the monopolists (banking oligarch) in the background.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Oh and currectly the Republicans are hardly deregulators. Much of the fed powers (especially at the executive level) were grown out of the republican party.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 Well now I'm totally lost. I mean I just pulled up three articles on the Republican party totally deregulating the hell out of everything, but the last sentence you just said leaves me stumped. You're obviously very intellegent but I'm wondering if what you're saying is coming from truth or lies on a few things. Sorry to sound harsh but I've just never heard of the left sounding so far right unless its' the blue dogs and vs versa. Please explain your last post further. I'm interested

[anyusmoon1]

Not at all... I don't think ur being harsh. correction is absolutely necessary, thus, if I need correction so be it, period & usually apologize and/or thank the 1 straightening me out.

Now, to the republican party- I'm not sure which article you are referring to but generally speaking the parties have both been usurped. I can't go into the whole thing here in 500 words but I witnessed first hand as a republican delegate for Ron Paul that the party doesn't care one hoot for its own platform.

[anyusmoon1]

@anyusmoon1 Some of my fellow delegates (the ones for McLame) wanted to regulate arms to such a degree I finally point blank asked 'em "Do you believe the only people who should carry weapons ought to be police and federal agents?" they answered YES! Regarding the the unconstitutional war... they didn't care one hoot for making sure congress declared war rather than deferring to the exec branch; The party didn't care one iota about regulating via FISA and Patriot Act, No child Left behind etc.

[anyusmoon1]

McLame Fiengold Amnesty 100% regulating of the NAU into existence along w/ NAFTA SuperHighway! What a colossal federal cluster pluck that would have been against private property via eminent domain!

There's no difference between the parties. One caters to the socialist side of the equation (dem) and the other to the fascist (rep). The corporatism that goes on in Washington should be a huge embarrassment for democrats but they seem to love it because the unions get their 'fair share'.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 P.S. I do respect you for caring so deeply about the Constitution as it outlines our rights. People forget that before this and the Magna Carta people were just totally at the whim of the ruling.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz We are right back there again. Which is actually ok with me... I honestly don't expect something as precious as freedom (to me) and power hunger (for them) to be easy! Its a struggle and one that takes perseverance and bravery.

A true constitutional republic, 'if you can keep (warned B. Franklin) is not possible when a citizenry is not self-sufficient, self-governing and keen to watch suspiciously the public servant.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz Check this out... here you'll observe the ridiculous democraps attempting to defend Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (their guys- ie big federal gov in the business of lending on sub-prime contracts) and the ridiculous repugnicans attempting to REGULATE mae / mac rather than ELIMINATE THEM.

We don't need more regulation we need to eliminate dept's, shrink gov, stop foreign entitlements, protect borders and end the fed. :-)

What say you!? :-D

[Imhornydadcomeinside]

@anyusmoon1 Most rwepublicans hate shrinking government, they want more military, more police officers, however on the same time bigger corporations, they don't want to compete, just support existing corporations! ELitism my friend, jsut like the old republics used to work. *Throws up*

[anyusmoon1]

@Imhornydadcomeinside The *rwepublicans* you describe are actually FASCISTS and yes, as per the opening remarks made in the video regarding the parties "Both make me sick".

I mean if anyone told me 15 years ago that GE and a few other mega-crap-orations (fascist partners) could OUTLAW and incandescent bulbs I would have laughed. Today nothing is funny.

[richmocha]

@HoGraz Government policies are responsible for the severity of this recession. The Fed provided easy money, driving up asset prices(ie the housing market), while encouraging risky lending, leading to huge numbers of defaults when the bubble burst. We have to realize that all humans are corruptible, and so we should not give any individual or group(like government) power over others. plus, politics attract power hungry, slimy people. The answer is government as our founders intended it.

[anyusmoon1]

@richmocha ****

[HoGraz]

@richmocha Good point. I feel however if we did that we would have only rights to property owners and the industrial revolution has changed everything. That's what created the French Revolution and that's why Jefferson was terrified of the industrial revolution. That and the negative effects of industrialization as in lack of commoners rights, speed up destruction.

[dbhoward56]

@HoGraz You dont get it, Socialism fascism communism totalitarianism ALL the “ISMs” are the same they are total government vs no gov. the question is where do you want to be, draw a line on the left is total gov and on the right no gov. where should we be????? I say right of center as small a gov as possible total freedom and liberty of the people and we the people have total control of the gov…that’s where I want to be.

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 P.S. Obama is not a socialist.

[dbhoward56]

@HoGraz , you could have fooled me, usually if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck!!! He is a socialist, if you don't see that, your eyes are closed.

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 Do you even know what socialism is?

[dbhoward56]

@HoGraz perhaps you can tell me what socialism is..I told you before all the ISMs are the same they lead total government, the graveyard of history is full of them, they don't work, No government can take from some to give to others not matter what you call it, it's wrong, common law will stop the corporations from hurting the little people, but our gov does not use common law... look at the congress of 1871 our gov does not care about the health of people it cares only about corporate health

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 First off Socialism is where the laboring class owns the means of production. That would mean if you and I went to work we would decide on the operations of the company and not the board of directors. Real socialism not the right wing propaganda socialism we have here existed in places like Yugoslavia and Libya. Yugoslavia had a higher standard of living than American Citizens so Bush Sr. made sure to make an example out of their system by making extremists attack it from the inside.

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 That doesnt' mean i want socialism. I'm just saying I disagree with getting so flustered about socialism when the GOP does things like attacks Net Neutrality, the Fairness Doctrine, and the FCC. Public grants for non-profit radio have been essential to a more functioning Democratic system. Say what you will about Aristotalian ideas like private property and the rule of law, but we the public has to have exceptions made like the ones our predecessors worked for over the last 200 years

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 The term "Graveyard of history" is a term strong armed Reagan used with his eloquent speech. Liberalism, capitalism, moderatism, conservativism have all worked. However botchalism and BPA poisoning are things the power of the free market has not been able to do away with. In fact it's fought to keep it. I understand what you mean about the health of the entire country, but this sarcasm leads me to explain my point as someone who prefers a better livlihood in other ways.

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 Fine if that's how you feel, but I think the business community that's more connect with the right would love to do away with any kind of security net. That's why after 30 years of departure from the liberal concensus in the United States people are happier to have the insurance companies dictate their health. Even Milton Friedman in his later years said it was a bad situation. A market restructure would be one thing hell even now you can't get that or overtime half the time.

[dbhoward56]

@HoGraz , yes Our government only cares about corporate health not the people and this all started in 1871. if they pass a law that everyone must have health insurance, who benefits from that...let me tell you... the insurance companies....don't you get it? reform insurance, regulate insurance.....our gov is only interested in the health of corporations.. who did the bail out...what if they just simply gave all those billions to you and me?? and we spend it...now that would have an impact!

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 Well that I agree with you. I didn't vote for Obama because I had heard the universal healthcare was supported by Wal-Mart because it would force small business to die off. I'm also aware of the taxes they added to the bill. You're right about the bail-out. That was a major scandal. McCain was the only guy offering to do that sort of thing.

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 Everyone is convinced that's normal and acceptable. It's not. That's why people live off the dole. It's easier to live that way then put up with the abuse you get from the lacking jobs the GOP has left us with. The pell grant and free in state tuition is always thrown away by them because they don't want an educated voter base. Say what you will about your principles but look at Wisconsin. They're winning and the common man is taking the blunt. Even the tax payer will be hurt bc

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz 'common man' is code for slothful, covetous and entitlement seeking union thugs. Sorry, but the reality of Austrian economics doesn't care what income level you're in... it demands truth and self governance, sound money and responsible management of ones own work, expenses and planning. Its time individuals stand strong without the false security and gov attempts at legislating morality.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 Well anyusmoon1 don't forget about greed being on of the seven deadly sins. Lots of people who prey on the less advantaged are nothing but purely greedy destructive people. Some people aren't slothful but in fact very diligent and given a bad card in life. The term entitlement is a way of downplaying the neccesity of it. People working eight dollar an hour jobs can't depend on their companies 401k plans now that they only match 20%. People who can't make ends meet can't save.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz Entitlement is just that a term, its genderless, stretches beyond flesh into foreign powers and so forth. Socialists who prefer gov to legislate morality are getting what you deserve and dragging the rest of the individualists down with you. What you're purporting is immoral principally because it relies on FORCE of government thugs of one position or another and not by VOLUNTARY association or free will giving ie charity or the like.

Money printed out of thin air is at issue here.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 Anyusmoon, I like talking to you stone cold conservatives, but this is another right-wing youtube beat down. You have very good points as usual, but look what we're in today. We're in a war with Iraq because we took the low road. Instead of trying to be more energy efficient we just go and bomb another sovereign nation. South Korea is an extremely well functioning free market system and they have a 5% renewable energy tax. What do we do when the money and gas is all gone?

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz The war is a travesty. We should be even more encouraged that our points are proven 100% accurate that BHO carries on exactly the Boosh did and all of them before... There is no difference in the parties. It's the choke hold of the puppet masters (NWO banking oligarchy) that control.

The money is fake. There is plenty of oil. But new technology is necessary for competitive free market checks and balances in the energy industry.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 Libertarian and Constituionalist party all you want, but this GOP/Democratic Federalist paradigm will be going on for a while but the GOP isn't making things too much better from my angle. Would you suggest we just do away with big government research programs like ORNL,Y-12, and NASA?

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz Regarding third parties... I confess I do not have an answer but inclined to agree with Ron Paul that the republican party platform (the actual written thing- not the blithering idiocy 'declared' and 'spewed' and then 'voted' by the shills that have taken it over) is the best means to real freedom lovers coming into power.

It is sadly evident with the recent turn over the PTB have a terrible clench on the throat of our process. Yes we must do away with gov research.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz Regarding third parties... I confess I do not have an answer but inclined to agree with Ron Paul that the republican party platform (the actual written thing- not the blithering idiocy 'declared' and 'spewed' and then 'voted' by the shills that have taken it over) is the best means to real freedom lovers coming into power.

It is sadly evident with the recent turn over the PTB have a terrible clench on the throat of our process. Yes we must do away with gov research.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 Were the union workers lazy who had war waged on them by Federal Government under Harding because they were tired of going work in coal mines that led to their death? These people didn't have much choice. Even now the system is rigged in the owning class's favor. I understand the banks want the inheritance tax and all but why do something efficient that benefits us all when you can ruthlessly block beneficial thigns to us all? That's why we have to spend everything on gas.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 The oil companies want to bleed everyone anyway they can. The banks want to put everyone into debt through credit cards then do reverse mortages to get back everything. Those bastards deregulated and blocked any kind of progressive legislation for years so we could end up this way. This is soft tyranny.

[anyusmoon1]

@HoGraz I agree with everything you've said up to the point of suggesting 'progressive legislation'... what does that mean?

We keep writing and talking with great care and time to explain to you that FASCISM has replaced free markets and wrongly usurped the concept, the phrase free-market itself! FASCISM is what finances SOCIALISM. Socialism cannot survive as it eats itself out from within.

[HoGraz]

@anyusmoon1 That's interesting what you said about Fascism. That's sound accurate. From what I've been learning it may be true.

As far as what I said about progressive legislation by that I mean doing things for energy like Nuclear (which the Republicans are pushing for now). Here's something I read about the situaion of oil - alternet.org/environment/14987­6/are_we_headed_for_massive_oi­l_price_spikes_leaked_cables_c­laim_saudi_oil_reserves_grossl­y_overstated/

[HoGraz]

@dbhoward56 these people want to take the low road. Why would we want to go with nuclear or wind power or promote fuel efficiency somehow when we can just bomb another country? It's just like when Ford allowed for people to be killed by Pintos to save a buck. Millions of lives American and Arab aren't worth anything because we don't want better livilihood for the people as much as a way for the investors to make money. It has nothing to do with right left man. It has everything to do with -

[HoGraz]

the business class vs the people. That's the tyranny we're stuck with. You guys may be afraid when an elected official comes out more in the front, but we still have to face reality.

[chevypimp80]

thank you

[TheCuriousCreature]

A Republic is a type of Democracy ~ more specifically, a Representative Democracy. When the founders integrated elected officials into our Constitution, they created a Representative Democracy. The Founders WERE against Pure Democracy, but the terms "Representative Democracy" and "Republic" are interchangeable.

Keep in mind that Madison and Jefferson founded the Democratic-Republican Party. Madison's contrast of "Democracy" and "Republic" were semantic and cultural to the meaning of the times.

[anyusmoon1]

@TheCuriousCreature There r only 3 basic forms of gov't; Monarchy Oligarchy & Democracy ours is technically 'democracy' but largely by default ie neither a monarchy (rule x 1) or oligarchy (rule by a few). Founders stated openly a democracy is repugnant observing that [they] eat out there own substance from within. Our republic uses dem mechanisms (many vite) to elect a few to GUARD the constitution, occassionally amend it etc but never alter the premise that a vote x many could deprive any ONE.

[TheCuriousCreature]

@anyusmoon1 I think we may see more eye to eye than it seems. It's correct to say that Democratic mechanisms are incorporated into the functioning of our government (by our elective processes). "Democracy" simply means "rule of the people", and can either be Direct or Representative. Our Founding Fathers called "Direct Democracy" -> "Democracy", and "Representative Democracy" -> "Republic." My understanding is that it was the semantics/politics of the times that drove this usage.

[anyusmoon1]

@TheCuriousCreature There were as many usurpers of the 'idea' then as now. The idea being a mob could not rule over the one thus preserving individual freedom and sovereignty. The monarchist Alexander Hamilton was the first among many to plague the state of this divine experiment in Gods governmental plan for man. Anyway, its good to know that civil discourse is achievable in this medium and I accept all constructive discussions now and ever. :-)

[BruceIsSoCool]

other parties will never get into office they will only get a seat. yeah both rep and dems are almost the same compared to other countries but our system kicks ass compared to socialist countries. i'm a rep but this year fell more into the dems ideas.

[anyusmoon1]

@BruceIsSoCool LOL it appears the agreement we've reached, that there's no dif between the parties, has served us poorly :-( otherwise you would have been more specific about 'the ideas' you agree with. But those who fall into their positions are not very apt to articulation, me thinks.

If u think the u.s of a kicks butt it's only because u are denied truth about how far its gone down hill. Many of us know differently and why we're rated #6 (per studies), on 'Free places to live" in the world.

[hitch4645]

btw, the United States is both a republic and a democracy. to say that we aren't a democracy is absolutely foolish. this whole video in general is just about the definition of rambling idiocy.

[hitch4645]

i understand how you could say that fascism requires socialism, but how in the hell does socialism require fascism?

[anyusmoon1]

At the point where socialism is in place it's all but titles. If your socialist job is to act a 'congressman' and the other guys socialist job is to act like an industrial analyst and the task is to maximize output with minimal cost and waste then the congressman and analysts represent what would be referred to as fascists (gov + corporation = fascism).

[hitch4645]

in what world is it "your socialist job to act a 'congressman' and the other guys socialist job to act like an industrial analyst"?

Our fire department is socialistic, are they "acting" like fireman.

[anyusmoon1]

Regarding the federal gov- The idea is simple, we have a constitutional republic in this country and each state guarantees a republic form of gov too.

Socialsm and fascism have insidiously taken over.

A fire dept is not socialist it is a locally paid for public service derived from a portion of the tax base.

The video is about the federal gov- which has nothing to do with county or city public works.

[hitch4645]

socialism is a political theory advocating state ownership of industry, the state owns and runs our fire department, hence, it is socialist. and the only thing fascism and socialism have in common is that they are both more authoritarian than libertarian, but their ideoligies are entirely different.

btw, again, we are a democracy as well as a republic

[anyusmoon1]

States do NOT 'own' fire departments. They are city and county funded. But even IF they were state owned the video pertains to our federal gov.

Socialism and fascism represent gov control, the first is of the working class the later of corporations. Neither have anything in common with libertarian view point which calls for very limited interaction of gov in industry or personal lives of people.

We have a constitutional republic period. It utilizes a democratic principle of voting.

[anyusmoon1]

So, even though the principal of 'voting' in and thus electing representatives those reps are charged with a duty to uphold the constitution. Not spend on favors, or lobbyists, fascism or socialism.

There's no question things have gotten so far out of hand that few realize the limits imposed on the fed gov by the constitution but that is what discourse of this type is for. To somehow help bring awareness the everyday American whose been deliberately miseducated on the matter.

[hitch4645]

America is, as you say, a republic. But how could you deny that we are also a representative dem as well as a constitutional dem. Think of it like this. Picture a venn diagram of overlapping circles, the circles represent representative democracy, constitutional democracy, as well as a few other forms of gov't we integrated into our own. Where all those circles overlap is where we reside. We are a combination of all those governments, specifically what we call a republic, but to say we are not

[hitch4645]

a democracy shows a complete lack of knowledge about government. But even my previous definition isn't even entirely accurate, because the definition of republic changes depending on who you ask (i.e. the People's Republic of China, a totalitarian gov't).

I still want to know an example of when our elected representatives spent on fascism)

[anyusmoon1]

I believe I was very specific when stating a CONSTITUTIONAL republic with democratic voting. There is absolutely no similarity in what the founders designed to TPRofChina, but as time slips by, education goes in the toilet, people are slowly and deliberately being herded into exactly what China has. And frighteningly on the precipice of financial usurpation by the Chinese, but I digress.

What we have now v. what was written is completely different, and the restoration is what the vid promotes.

[hitch4645]

Maybe you don't understand. The word "republic" has a different definition depending on who you ask. I was just showing that the way another country uses the term can vary dramatically from the way we use it. I agree that "there is absolutely no similarity in what the founders designed to TPRofChina," but that is not the point. They are both Republics, just 2 vastly different definitions of it. How YOU or even all of America defines the word preublic does not mean it is the same globally.

[hitch4645]

The title of your video infers that American is not a democracy. I'd like to know why you believe this. How do we differ from a democracy. And the gov't we have now is not frighteningly different from what we had in 1800. There are a few minor differences, but for the most part they are the same.

btw, we are nowhere near like what china is like. you are still free. we have a bill of rights (which was completely ignored by our last president, but Obama should be better).

[anyusmoon1]

Our government is not a democracy and I don't care how many text books or news anchors or presidents say it is. Our republic is 180 degrees from what was written in 1776 and in large part due to the deception already mentioned in the sentence prior.

I don't think you know what freedom is and that is a shame but no less apparent. Our bill of rights is shredded and everything boosh used (patriot act), to further shred it, was written during the Clinton admin.

But it goes back much further.

[hitch4645]

IN WHAT WAY DOES OUR GOVERNMENT DIFFER FROM A DEMOCRACY. damn. you won't answer the question, you are just denying it. please give a reason why you believe we are not a democracy.

[hitch4645]

I'm not gonna say another word until you give a legitimate reason for believing we are not a democracy

[anyusmoon1]

A democracy is this... majority rules. That means 51% of the people in your condo bldg want, feel, need or deserve ur condo more than u they vote you out of it- take it 4 themselves.

It means if you r in the 51% that u hold the power 2 defy 49% of their freedoms or property. A republic protects individuals & minorities. Yes, there have been imperfections but to the glory of all it was once a magnificent bounty of freedom and individuality. Today it's nut'n but what a majority tells you it is.

[hitch4645]

1. Thank you for finally answering the question

2. You have an entirely incorrect definition of democracy. Do me a favor. Google "constitutional democracy." Like I have said earlier, the US is a constitutional democracy. A democracy has nothing to do with a simple majority rules, that's a false description. While many forms of democracy have a majority rules system, it is not a necessity.

[hitch4645]

America is a combination of a constitutional democracy, a representative democracy, combined with a few other principles. The combination of all that is a republic, but to say we dont have a democracy is just false.

[anyusmoon1]

Are hapless? Or simply a drone or troll?

I gave a direct quote from Madison- the founding fathers abhored democracy. You can rail or regurgitate the inculcations of your education or t.v. but... even a simple pledge of allegiance should tell you or remind you of truth.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands...

Your argument about democracy is as ludicrous as saying we cannot have a republic because the soviets had a republic.

[yetibait01]

@anyusmoon1 Wow, I can't believe this argument. anyusmoon...you are right. We were founded as a constitutional republic. This country has morphed into a democracy that is why it is failing. 75% of the bills that go through the house of reps are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Don't worry hitch4645, thanks to uninformed people like you, we will soon have a constitutional banana republic and you can fill us all in on the actual definition of that.

[anyusmoon1]

@yetibait01 There was a day when America was chock full of folks who would defend this position with their very lives, and did. Now, we have the insidious war being waged from within, very treacherous indeed.

[achalmers]

Constitutional democracy is an oxy-moron. It's a constitutional republic. There is a big difference. Why don't you do yourself and everyone else here a favor and Google "constitutional republic."

[hitch4645]

the united states is both a constitutional democracy and a constitutional republic. you're making a claim without packing it up. in what way is america not a democracy?

[Fuctmentality]

@hitch4645 It's not that America isn't a representative democracy/democratic republic, it's that people wish to get people to object to democracy so that in time it can be eliminated.

[hitch4645]

to even compare us to china shows how little you know about foreign governments. we have it far better off here that the people of China have it, in the same way that the people of Norway have it better off than we do, even though they have a more socialistic gov't.

[hitch4645]

By comparing us to a totalitarian gov't, you are completely downplaying what the chinese gov't has done to there people. In that same way, you are disrespecting the millions of people that were killed by fascist governments by calling our gov't. It's the same way that Glenn Beck's 9/12ers are downplaying the horribleness of Hitler by comparing Obama to him. It's just not right; factually or morally

[anyusmoon1]

Who wrote this: "Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."?

[anyusmoon1]

and this... "Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions."

[anyusmoon1]

and this "A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy, and we shall comprehend both the nature of the cure and the efficacy which it must derive from the Union."?

[hitch4645]

Madison. What's your point? He is talking about a direct democracy. What is your point?

[anyusmoon1]

lol, now we're finished. If the reading of it doesn't tell you why I posted it, which specifically answered your question and corrected your errors, than no more typing will do.

I will say one thing... although it's deeply saddening that a young person would be rude to his elders (although that dept did improve with time) it is gravely dark for our country that you will vote with a state of mind that defies facts, terms and history and blatant disrespect of anyone that attempts to correct you.

[hitch4645]

you still haven't answered the question. Again. In what way does our gov't differ from a democracy.

[hitch4645]

the term "state" wasn't the same as a US state. the "state" means essentially the government (i.e "separation of church and state"). And what do you mean socialism and fascism "represent" gov't control. The two systems desire different amounts of government control. You're grouping them together into this vague boogie man, you need to be more specific. And I know "neither have anything in common with libertarian view point," that's what I said in my previous comment.

[anyusmoon1]

To describe a fire dept as a state entity is inaccurate as it is more likened to a public-service with roots very strongly associated with volunteer corps. As mentioned they are in fact supported with city and/or county taxes but again, the point is that the video is about fed gov, not state and especially not municipal.

There is a huge difference, at least there's supposed to be but dangerously teetering on no distinction at all.

Similarly, my point in this thread re fasc v soc, is not based

[anyusmoon1]

in any way on local (municipal) gov, solely on fed.

[BearWa11ace]

Your message here becomes more and more impactive as time passes... as we loose our freedoms provided by the Constitution.... it becomes clear that the puppet strings lead to both parties. I too am a Constitutionalist!

[anyusmoon1]

Thanks bear :-) an important thing to remember though is this... individuals who hold a track record of independent thinking (voting, speechifying, business, living etc) can run for public office on a republican or democratic ticket and still do good work as long as they keep their oath.

[aikido7]

Remember George Bush? The guy who smirked on TV when he talked about killing? The guy most of you voted for TWICE?

His big deal was bringing Democracy to the Middle East. Now did he think the US was NOT a Democracy? Obviously not.

So the man you voted for believed in Democracy here.

[diablogamer45]

America is an indirect democracy, which is a Republic.

[aikido7]

We are a functioning democracy. If you voted last time, you acknowledged that. The Constitution says we own the place & run it. We vote for representatives & they take our wishes to Washington. If we don't like what they do, we vote them out just as we voted them in-DEMOCRATICALLY. You use the democratic machinery--admit it's a democracy. Don't use an elevator and tell me it's not an elevator.

[Elasaltaculos]

Constitution Party is the lesser of two evils, not the Libertarian Party. The constitution party should be called the bible party.

[anyusmoon1]

lol The Constitution Party is 1) only one of many alternatives; 2) not 'the bible party' but it just so happens that several of the nominees, like most of the founders of the Constitution, demonstrate faith; 3) depends upon the population to discern the difference between faithful legislators and legislating faith.

[Elasaltaculos]

I see what you are saying. Their preamble smacks of bible thumping and thus they will never get my vote. I just said that in reference to you calling the libertarian party the lesser of two evils. I happen to disagree.  I can't get past phrases like

"This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ"

No thanks.

[Elasaltaculos]

I suppose the Constitution Party never heard of John Locke.

[anyusmoon1]

Again, attempting value contributors based solely on their faith, refusal to discuss or interject faith, or lack of faith to validate or invalidate the substance is doing exactly what you are criticizing.

How better or different are you for choosing to align with non-believers vs those choosing to align with believers?

[anyusmoon1]

Well... it's true and the founders wrote as such. The beauty part is... you don't have to believe it and free to believe whatever you want, even to the extent to believing in nothing.

[anyusmoon1]

lol The Constitution Party is 1) only one of many alternatives; 2) not 'the bible party' but it just so happens that several of the nominees, like most of the founders of the Constitution, demonstrate faith; 3) depends upon the population to discern the difference between faithful legislators and legislating faith.

[crazyeddie31]

just my 2cents but imo...the 2 party system is part of an oligarchy...it uses the media to "inform" citizen slaves of whom they are voting for based on their "faction". the problem is this oligarchy does not speak for the "people" as it should...it instead speaks for the corporations.

voting for a 3rd party only confirms their control over you.

recommended reading for sovereinty "the global sovereign's handbook" by johnny liberty

[anyusmoon1]

Hmmm I've seen that name... johnny liberty. Found a pretty good source for our type of reading... I'll have to dig it up and search for your suggestion. It's getting near the time, isn't it, for serious preparations of living off the grid.

Politics is utterly hopeless. The revenue agents are TOTALLY out of control.

[admiralcrash1]

Absolutely, and it's sad that it still carries on to this day. Barbarism wears a suit, and parades around as the republican and democratic parties now...and we all know who and what they are controlled by.

[admiralcrash1]

lol. Lincoln. ha ha ha. Freed slaves, hung the native americans. america is so twisted.

[anyusmoon1]

Indeed! I believe Lincoln was not for freeing slaves, per se, he was for packing them off on boats to foreign shores. :-( What a travesty that the victors write history.

[admiralcrash1]

I know. It was a joke. We already have enough Tamany Halls.

[anyusmoon1]

Thank Goodness! lol That was a pretty good one ;-) sure got me going, lol.

[admiralcrash1]

America needs more parties. Let's revive the WIG movement. lol

[anyusmoon1]

I love the idea of bolstering third parties and completely supported the Constitution Party in the last presidential election (once ron paul endorsed chuck baldwin).

but The Whig party!? Hell no, that was Lincolns party! And they desired a NATIONALISM ne'er before seen in this country.

[Jason310M]

Hear, Hear! Long live the Republic.

[anyusmoon1]

Hey Jason, thanks for chiming in. :-)

[peanutbutterjelly76]

This is why I'm a small government, conservative Republican and not a big government socialist unsoviergn (is that a word?) Democrat.

[anyusmoon1]

Amen! And I THANK you for being a young representative of what the founding fathers intended for this country.

[AnarchistCommunity]

I think you are a very smart person but I do not understand your hope for the constitution and forced rule. The constitution is still forced upon us, and the " if you dont like it leave " ideal doesnt do much because we can leave this country but for what another copy of the same mistyped paper? We are told that america is a land of freedom and that the constitution is our savior but its just not true. I still see you as an inportant part of the movement towards freedom however and support you

[anyusmoon1]

TY. Sometimes I don't understand why I hold out hope either. I think the crux of the matter is holding out for truth and holding accountable those that lie, cheat, steal and perform treasonous acts against their oaths.

If we are going to be a socialist country then make it so lawfully and stop calling it what it isn't. Similarly, if we are going to remain a constitutional republic do right by it, not lie or commit treason.

It's mainly the elected servants that must be held accountable.

[ty99999returns]

we need ron paul

[anyusmoon1]

in a BIG way!

[AnarchistCommunity]

no, we need revolution, freedom, maturity and truth. No single man or women will ever do that even more so if they are part of the system that uses these chains, immaturity and lies.

More to the point we need this on a global scale or there will always be a broken bridge that leads to what would be our future.

[pashrak]

I would like to explain that I am not saying that the government is flawed so we should create anarchy. I am merely pointing out that everything is flawed due to us. I am pointing out that everything is up to interpretation so in the end not even our sacred Constitution can please the people. In fact nothing can please the people. We could have a living paradise and someone would decide they no longer liked paradise and would seek to change it. Humans are never ever going to be happy.

[anyusmoon1]

True. But we are talking about unlawful usurpation of power without consent of the governed. And the insidious changes in education, public speech by politicians and MEDIA to purposefully confuse, blur and lie about facts and law.

[pashrak]

This country has not upheld the Constitution as written since the beginning. They have interpreted it as they feel like interpreting it. It says "All men are created equal". It took nearly 200 years to interpret this line as written.

Another clear problem is that the President is supposed to enforce the laws and "uphold" the Constitution but they never do. We haven't the power to make them do it either. Only the legislative branch has any checks and if President likes them then there are none.

[pashrak]

Ha ha...I just realized I confused the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution on the "all men are created equal" sentiment. That was bad.

[anyusmoon1]

That's ok. Your point was understood.

[anyusmoon1]

Again, correct that LAWFUL amendments can be and must be made to change or correct constitutional matters. NOT presidential directive, executive order, public opinion, media spin, deliberate rewriting of American history to spoil the learning and ultimately the decision making ability of citizens to properly address WRITTEN LAW.

[pashrak]

THANK YOU. You are one of the few people who knows what kind of government we have, however I disagree with some of your points.

Humans are inevitably flawed and even the Constitution can not save us. There is nothing to hold a government accountable to the people. The Constitution gets interpreted by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court gets its nominees from the President. The President decides how the Constitution is interpreted by choosing the justices. There are more problems than this...

[anyusmoon1]

You are right again, it alone cannot save us from ourselves however IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND and our own ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ABUSE AND DISREGARD THE BODY OF LAWS THEY CONTINUAL THROW AT US, CITIZENS. THe double standards, the UP is down, Down- up, Right is left, Left- right, Forward is back, Back-forward is totally WRONG.

[YouGotRonPauled]

Do you buy Chuck Baldwin got less than a million votes in GENERAL election when Ron Paul supposedly got a little over a million during the primaries? Check out Tarpley's books on Obama and his CIA mother which expose BOTH as covert agents...

[anyusmoon1]

Not sure, which page are you referring to about the stats? Do I believe OweBama's mama was CIA? Yes, I confess, anything a traveling, socialist, puta like that might do wouldn't surprise me. Sorry for being crude but... wow, she had it goin' and with plenty of men in all the wrong places.

[mylongcylinder]

Don't blame me . . . I voted for Ron Paul. :)

You are very good at expressing yourself, and getting right to the crux of the issue.

☆☆☆☆☆

[anyusmoon1]

Yeah mlc! Thank you! I supported Chuck Baldwin throughout the campaign and will do so again if Dr. Paul says to, or any alternative other than the two parties.

Its OVER, F'n OVER! No more two parties, nor more incumbents, if at all possible, the only possible exception would be toward reward for standing up to a terribly crucial matter, ie NO BAIL OUT guys would have gotten my support, had there been any :-(

[AkoyPinoy2]

Socialism is popular.

It's the end of the world as we know it and the crowd goes wild.

It's the end of the world as we know it and the crowd goes wild.

[anyusmoon1]

What now? Seriously, what now?

[AkoyPinoy2]

Keep saying what we have been saying. Presidential election here the Philippines in 2010. Too bad no one like Ron Paul has appeared.

I heard the our former President Ferdinand Marcos wanted to bring back the gold standard in his final days. Too bad globalist turned against him, he was ill and then People Power happened.

[anyusmoon1]

I was actually thinking of Philippines- seems as though FRN's 'money' (such as it is) will go further in a quasi-retired position. Living off the land, growing some crops, raising some chickens etc. What's your take on it?

[AkoyPinoy2]

It's a nice idea. You can still watch American movies and everybody speaks a little English. Provincial living is very different though.

Another idea is to teach political science or US Government in high school. Make freedom and the constitution more popular and more understood instead of the illusion of freedom currently being thought.

[anyusmoon1]

Becoming a teacher, for me, is out of the question. How about for you mydear, you're still young?

Besides the obvious differences between rural and urban living anywhere, do you know something in particular about rural life in Philippines to warn against?

[napalmtube]

You made some good points in this video, I'll probably do a response tomorrow. Thanks you gave me some things to think about.

[anyusmoon1]

Thanks napalmtube. I look forward to watching, please do it! :-)

[Heartbreakin]

Well you know its gonna take at least one more election cycle for people to figure out both are the same.With a close election like this you had alot of scared people thinkng McCain would steal it.Scare tatics work and they will try it again and again.

[anyusmoon1]

That's a heartbreakin summary ;-) only because it's true.

[JuciShockwave]

Have you watched "Wake up call"? It has a part in which it talks about the education system and how bad it really is. It's worse than bad.

School system is slavery of the brain. Trust me I've been and experience the system in the chair of a teacher. I know exactly what they meant by "Left Brain Slave".

[anyusmoon1]

I'll look for it. Thanks.

Have you read or listened to Charlotte Iserbyt? She's the author of 'The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America'.

[BWF89]

The YouTube user "confederalsocialist" did a couple of videos talking about how societies in Medieval Iceland and Ireland flourished for hundreds of years without a compulsory or centrally planned "government". If you can even call what they had a government. They used voluntary means such as private courts to solve disputes.

[anyusmoon1]

Very interesting- I think I've been at that guys vlog I'll check it out.

[bigdog49094]

Ron Paul supported Chuck Baldwin and not Bob Barr but I love Ron Paul so I had to go with Chuck.

[anyusmoon1]

Constitution party platform is identical to Dr. Paul's, whereas libertarian bob barr has gone out of his way to divide.

[OlGreyWolf58]

AMEN

[alohacaramia]

We need to unite as the American People "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Let's take America back! We have been seduced slowly and cleaverly to give up our rights to be free American!

[UPXLOL]

y u nigz use so many damn cam filters

christ

[anyusmoon1]

Partly, no mostly for anonymity. Sorry I know it's annoying but hopefully the content of what I said had some meaning.

[UPXLOL]

of course it had no meaning, you're a talking hologram on my computer screen ffs.

and there are more important things to discuss other than this democracy bs.

[TechnoNubian]

I wouldn't push you to vote Anyus. The ballot I voted didn't give who was the incumbant. I voted Obama because my mother said vote for him for her. She loves Obama. I came close to vote chuck baldwin. I was not going to vote at all. I did vote for republicans and voted on florida consitutional amendments for reduce state power.

[julianhpike]

Dr. Ron Paul is great, but we need similar voices from younger generations. Not many mention G.E. Griffin or Collectivism vs. Individualism... my thoughts is that people simply don't know about this man or these ideas. I work in the performing arts and whenever I try to bring these ideas to the table in a non-confrontational style I am met with outright hostility, disregard, or am patronized. Gotta love "freethinkers".

[anyusmoon1]

Honestly, until 10 years ago, perhaps a tiny bit longer, I was asleep (and a noisy sleeper at that :-).

Which is why it takes a statesman, like Dr. Paul, to bring truth to politics. The genius of being a scholar is lost on most souls without a good bedside manner.

Conversely, a lot of bad medicine is administered by good manners, lazy intellect and even less common sense.

Worst of all, forced administration regardless of manners or intent :-(

[vudumojo]

WOW. I had to watch this a few times through and really savor it.

Bravo!

You pull it all together.

I especially like that part about socialism and and fascism depending on each other.

It could be said that with these right hands and left hands, it takes one hand to wash the other and so does the Democratic and Republican Parties.

George Washington explained this in his farewell address to congress in 1796 and stated there should be NO political parties and warned of what the result would be.

[vudumojo]

Do you mind me mirroring this?

[anyusmoon1]

Mirroring? Sorry I don't know what this means :-( ignorance is not always bliss. PM me ok?

[Signzit]

if I may?

mojo is asking permission to place this video somewhere, as a complete unedited copy for the viewing pleasure of others; possible on other social video sharing communities or even, mojo's channel here at YT. To Mirror It.

This is a form of High praise from mojo.

[anyusmoon1]

:-) Thanks

[anyusmoon1]

Thanks. And right, it's exactly like one hand washing the other, or as Dr. Paul puts it, left and ring wings of the same bird (vulture, in this case ;-)

[vudumojo]

Tell it like it is sis.