IF HYPNOSIS WASN'T SUCH A PART OF THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, THEN WHY IS IT THAT MOST OF THESE MINISTERS (PREACHERS) R FILTHY RICH? AND, IF THEY AREN'T FILTHY RICH NOW, THEY WILL BE ONCE THEY GET MORE & MORE MEMBERS (HENCE, THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING PEOPLE TO ASK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO CHURCH ... THE MORE PEOPLE GET CONVERTED ... THE MORE MONEY). MY PASTOR HAD A DAY SPECIFICALLY FOR LAWYERS, DOCTORS, NURSES (AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAD/HAVE LOTS OF MONEY). WHY NOT HAVE A McDONALD'S EMPLOYEES DAY?
Where is the closeup of the people talking. There were closeups of the guy at the pulpit talking & then when tongues started no one could be viewed. And all the people just sitting there. If God was really speaking in that building there should have been some real praise going on. Seems suspect to me.
I used to be Oneness Pentecostal. And, I used to be struck with FEAR whenever I would hear a tongues of interpretation. And, that was the GOAL ... to whip people into shape, so to speak. But, now that I am OUT of the Church, I can look at it from the outside in. And, I can see how fake it is and how it is used to CONTROL the members and get them under submission to the Pastor. It's funny how that the interpretation would fall in line with what the Pastor said a lot of the time. Coincidence? NO!
@David8024667 Oh my, perhaps the Holy Spirit gave you a message that struck somewhere you were not ready to go yet and then you believe is "Pastor" control? Careful with pride .
@LadyD1979 Uh, I think I know the difference between da Pastor controlling us & a tug (or conviction) from the Holy Ghost. There is a HUGE difference. And, this was NOT the Holy Ghost. This was DEFINITELY the Pastor trying 2 completely CONTROL us with the ups & downs of emotionalism. We were like puppets & HE (the Pastor) was the puppeteer (pulling the strings). It wasn't just ME who thought this, but MANY throughout the Church. But, u usually don't see it when u r STILL involved in da Church
It's funny how that these people (the one who SPOKE in tongues & the one who INTERPRETED the tongues) were EASILY heard in this video. U could hear them loud & clear. It's almost as though SOMEONE (or several someones) KNEW WHAT WAS GOING 2 HAPPEN B4 IT EVER HAPPENED ... like it was PLANNED BEFORE THE SERVICE). They MUST have had microphones on their bodies. I mean, they were out in the AUDIENCE (far from the microphones on stage). I'm sure they don't have microphones planted all over the Church
@David8024667 Once the Spirit of the Lord grips you to deliver a message its like your throat is opening and the message comes out really loud. Its not like they knew what was going to happen but its the same Spirit acting in both of them, and He knew what was going to happen.
@LadyD1979 I understand how the Spirit works, maam. But, the thing is you could tell this whole thing was FAKE. And, like I said, how come the person who was speaking was able to be heard like there was a microphone RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM (when they were NOT on the platform but in the middle of the audience). This right here sends up red flags. Does it not?!!? I WOULD THINK SO!!! It sure says a LOT to me. Just doesn't make sense whatsoever ...
@David8024667 No it doesnt, the man was speaking loud, like i said the Holy Spirit opens up your throat and u get much louder when you are to deliver a message. There was probly other mics there too so one probly caught his sound. This sounds genuine to me.
@LadyD1979 The messages at MY Church were usually glorifying the Pastor (not God). And, I don't care HOW loud these people were talking, the microphones on the STAGE would NOT have been able 2 pick up the voices of these people as well as it did had they NOT had microphones placed near (or even ON their bodies). That's what I am thinking. But, that does NOT mean that that's what happened. It just seems suspect 2 me (as another poster said). It was probably someone who KNEW Italian or whatever
@LadyD1979 I could say all sorts of GOOD things about God. But, does that mean that God was talking THROUGH me to say those things? I don't think so! Just because it was glorifying God (or saying good things about God) does NOT mean that God, Himself, was talking through this person. Kind of crazy to even think this way.
@NoSuchThingAsTrinity The goosebumps was part of the "fear" factor I was talking about in an earlier post. I used to feel goosebumps ALL the time when I was going there, too. But, it is all part of the brainwashing. I felt like my whole head was NUMB (and goosebumps going up & down my WHOLE body). The highly emotional music. The preacher going insane on the stage and TRYING to work people into a FRENZY. Hypnosis at its finest. Ask any hypnotist if u don't believe me. They go to hypnosis classes
@LadyD1979 You FEEL like it is the Holy Ghost (when in all reality, it is the CHEMICALS in your brain going crazy). Adrenaline and things like that. I know, I used to feel the same things, myself, ALL the time when I was going to a Oneness Pentecostal Church (UPC). And, I thought it was God's Spirit (the Holy Ghost), too. But, then, I found out later that it wasn't what I thought it was (when I went and talked to a hypnotist). Look it up online if you don't believe me. Don't take MY word for it.
@LadyD1979 And, the preacher keeps (throughout the entire service) saying, "Oh, I can FEEL the Holy Ghost." I feel this or I feel that (notice how many times they say the words, "I feel ... ." They say it ALL the time (because they WANT you to FEEL something). The music pumps you all up (or gets you in a really sad mood) depending on what TYPE of music they play (but they KNOW what they are doing). And, they keep TELLING you what it is that u r feeling - the "Holy Ghost." But, it's NOT the H.G.
@LadyD1979 The Schizophreniac also thinks that he/she hears from God. People who hear voices scare me. I think what you feel is adrenaline and things like that. Remember, I used to feel the same things, myself. And, once I got OUT of that Church, I started seeing things I never saw before (because my eyes were now OPENED). My eyes were blinded when I was in Church because I was soooo brainwashed and indoctrinated. I was TOLD what to believe. I was TOLD what to feel. Etc., etc., etc., ...
@LadyD1979 WHO said I was/am an atheist??? I sure didn't!!! There ARE times that I have "leaned towards atheism" because of all the bad (let me re-phrase that, HORRIBLE) things that happened to me while going to an Apostolic Pentecostal Church (UPC). The ABUSIVE Church I went to was like a NIGHTMARE I couldn't wake up from. And, still have problems dealing with it. So, there ARE times where I feel like there is NO God. But, those times are very few and far between.
@LadyD1979 Most of the time, I believe very strongly in God. I just HATE religion. Man made religion (like the UPC) does a number on people. I have had to go 2 psychologists & psychiatrists 4 years now (all due to the horrible experiences I had while going to the UPC). And, my therapist says that she has a LOT more people who also went to a UPC and they are going through the SAME EXACT PROBLEMS. Plus, all the websites talking about spiritual abuse in the UPC. I AM NOT ALONE! HAVE GREAT COMPANY!
@David8024667 you dont believe God most of the time, wether you believe in the God of the Bible or not, there is no 50%. What was so horrible in that UPC?
@LadyD1979 YEAH, I DO TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND (UNLIKE YOU ... BEING SO BRAINWASHED AND ALL). JUST SO YA KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO AN ATHEIST WEBSITE BUT NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE OR HEAR. DID YOU KNOW THAT? DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU DO. I, MYSELF, TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND THAT IS HOW YOU LEARN THINGS AND DON'T BECOME STAGNANT IN YOUR THINKING. I DON'T SHUT MYSELF OFF FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD LIKE U DO. THAT IS PART OF THE BRAINWASHING. THEY WANT U TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER
@LadyD1979 Oh, let's see, what WASN'T so horrible in the UPC I went to would be a better question. We weren't allowed to do ANYTHING (everything was against the rules ... "holiness standards"). We had a curfew on us (sounds pretty cultish to me right here, looking back at it, with UN-brainwashed eyes). They filled us with nothing but FEAR and CONDEMNATION. And, threatened us with HELL if we didn't CONFORM completely to the Pastor's wishes. "Horrible things would happen to us IF we ever left."
@LadyD1979 You get kicked OUT of everything you were involved in if you didn't give enough money to the Church (aka ... the Pastor). And, he does not understand financial hardships at all. He does NOT care. Never did. Oh, and if YOU do have financial hardships later on, and you go to him (the Pastor) to get some help of some kind, you can forget about that. "Exhaust all possible resources before coming to me for help. You try Catholic Outreach? Salvation Army? Etc., etc., etc., ???"
you are lying we have a womens homeless shelter and one for men.We have outreach programs for pple on drugs or going through divorces.When school started we loaded 2 school busses full of supplies and gave them away not to mention the thousands of dollars we give to help every year. I have not always been able to give anything sometimes and it never made a difference.
@truthseeker1014 I never judged them ALL (as you are saying I did). I have done just the OPPOSITE. So, please don't judge ME. I would appreciate that. If you read ALL my posts (which, obviously, you have only read a couple), you would realize that I have said that there are some GOOD Churches, too. But, I was only telling you MY OWN PERSONAL experiences.
@truthseeker1014 I am lying about WHAT?!? I have not lied about ANYTHING. Everything I have said thus far has been the truth of what I have been through, PERSONALLY. Now, maybe U have had a DIFFERENT experience. But, what I am telling you is what I PERSONALLY WENT THROUGH. And, did I ever say that they didn't help people with drug addictions or those who were going through a divorice? NO!!!! MY Church helped with THAT kind of thing, too. But, wouldn't help their OWN members if THEY had a problem
@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
@truthseeker1014 I am glad that they helped with that sort of thing. That was nice of them. I never said that they DIDN'T help with that sort of thing. Not once did I say something like that. What I told you was my own PERSONAL experience (was NOT saying that ALL UPC Churches were like this). I think you read only ONE post of mine and thought I was attacking the UPC as a whole (when I was telling you of my OWN personal experience with them and ONLY MY EXPERIENCE).
@David8024667 Not all churches r like that. Your heart is hardened because of something that happened to you. I have gone through that myself. And it was very hard, you may open the door to depression in your life. But I am telling you , the best thing to do is to pray for them. Forgive, and let the Lord heal your heart. The Lord is real and His power too.
@LadyD1979 Oh, I do know this. And, I don't think that ALL UPC Churches are like this. But, I was just saying what my PAST experiences have been with the UPC. I have had nothing but bad, it seems (with the exception of a few good experiences, too). I am TRYING my best to let God heal my heart. I break down really easily and just bawl my head off, speaking in tongues. I can't just cry. I end up speaking in tongues (which is NOT a bad thing, but I'm just saying ... ).
@LadyD1979 It's soooo hard to let go of it all, though. Had way too may bad (nightmarish) experiences in the UPC that I could never mention them all. And, they are EXTREMELY hard to let go of. I will give you ONE example. I had a friend come to Church with me when I was probably 14 years old. There was a tongues of interpretation during that service (scary service). The interpretation was, "There is one who's here who has NOT yielded 2 MY voice. I AM DONE WITH U" (or something like that) - CONT.
@LadyD1979 My friend said that he thought the message was 4 HIM. But, said that he could never conform 2 ALL the rules cuz there were just way 2 many 2 deal with. He especially had a hard time w/the curfew & the fact that we weren't allowed 2 have or watch tv's. Anyways, 2 make a long story short, he DIED 3 days later. Got hit by a car (was so bad that they had 2 have a closed casket). A lady at the Church told me that the blood of his' soul was on MY hands cuz I didn't pray him thru 2 the H.G.
@LadyD1979 (CONT.) Can you imagine what that did to ME (as a 14-15 year old)??? I had nightmares, thinking that I caused this kid to go to HELL (cuz that's where the lady said he went and there were several OTHERS who agreed with her). These people were soooo fanatical about everything. And, their eyes looked like they were going to POP out at any given moment. It was really scary to me cuz I thought (at the time) that I had caused this friend of mine to go to HELL and nobody told me differently
@LadyD1979 I am sorry to hear that YOU had some bad experiences in the UPC, too. It's almost like playing the lottery. You have all these bad (horrible) Churches. And, then, there's always a few good Churches, too. I have went on the internet. And, there are TONS of websites on United Pentecostal Churches and the abuse that people who go to these Churches suffer. And, these people speak out about THEIR experiences. And, some of them are absolutely STARTLING and OUTRAGEOUS (but true).
@LadyD1979 I am scared to ever step foot in another UPC. At my Church, they told us that if we ever left, horrible things would happen to us (car accidents, sicknesses, diseases, deaths of not only you, but loved ones, too - family, friends ... etc., etc., etc., ). We had the "hedge of God's protection AS LONG AS WE CONTINUED GOING THERE. BUT, THE MOMENT WE STOPPED GOING THERE, WE WOULD LOSE THAT PROTECTION. AND, ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE ON OUR LIVES."). That was their method to KEEP us there
@David8024667 I dont know wht u mean by UPC :). But that sounded like a very hardcore church. We have to let the Spirit do the work, not people. In my house my children r not allowed to see certain programs and they have to respect their parents. They were trying to scare you into obedience. But remember the Lord says in the Bible that HE would right His laws on our hearts and minds.
@LadyD1979 All I'm saying is that these Churches should NOT be there to scare you half to death. At my Church, I used to see people CLUTCHING onto the pews in front of them because they were so scared. And, they would make jokes about that (like that was funny). I don't think it's funny at all. That's HORRIBLY wrong. And, abusive. God doesn't operate like that. Or, at least, I don't believe He does. But, that was all part of the brainwashing I went through (to keep us there and to CONTROL us)
All these folks saying that the baptism of the Holy Ghost which produces tongues, is not for today just breaks my heart, and I really don't understand how someone could believe that, cause one of the reasons for the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for the edification of the saints,and praying in tongues is to build up your most holy faith, it's like they are saying the saints no longer need to be edified or built up. They don't know what they are missing, do they? Acts 2:39 tells who this is for.
@FREEDOM6427 "Speaking in tongues" was NOT something that people did where nobody knew what was being said. They DID know what was being spoken. It was an actual language that was being spoken (not babbling). That's what happened in the Bible. But, today, when people speak in tongues, it is just an EMOTIONAL experience pretty much (a high that you get). Like a DRUG. Not at all what happened on the Day of Pentecost. But, something that Pentecostal Preachers can use to hypnotize you.
@LadyD1979 I noticed that they were FAR away from the pulpit (and platform). What video are you watching??? Even if the person WAS close to the pulpit (which that was NOT the case), the microphone still wouldn't be able to pick up the voice as well as it did, I wouldn't think. And, where is the praise? If it was REALLY God talking through these people, you would think that there would be a LOT of heartfelt praise going up. But, there isn't. People are just looking around and watching. Suspect!
@FREEDOM6427 When people speak in tongues, it is easy to hypnotize. Hypnosis works VERY well when you are speaking in tongues. And, it is a well known FACT that Pentecostal Preachers go to HYPNOSIS classes. Don't believe me? It doesn't matter whether you do or not. Look it up online. Ask ANY hypnotist. Their classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers. Have had NUMEROUS hypnotists tell me this (and other people I know have been told this, too). So, do your homework and YOU will see this, too.
@David8024667 We speak in tongues for different reasons and hyptnotizing is not one of them. You have had hypnotists tell you that. Well they arent christians are they? Hypnotism is not of God and it is a reason why they say its "like" petecostalism, we are taught in the Bible to get full of the Holy Spirit, and the hypnotism gets people full of demons!! so they are spirits too, just not of God.
@LadyD1979 What part of "The HYPNOTISTS classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers" did you NOT understand? I never said that the hypnotherapists were Christian. What I said was that these hypnotherapists were teaching the Pentecostal Preachers HOW to hypnotize in their classes. And, the hypnotherapists said that once they learn, they become MASTERS at hypnosis. And, I have heard this not only from hypnotherapists but also other people who have gone to hypnosis classes. So, I know it's TRUE.
@LadyD1979 Look it up 4 yourself. I didn't believe it at first, myself, either. I didn't WANT 2 believe it. I wanted 2 believe that everything was REAL & AUTHENTIC. A real moving of the Holy Ghost (God's Spirit). But, facts r facts. And, the facts are that these people are under HYPNOSIS (mass hypnosis). The preacher starts out talking slowly. Then faster & faster. He starts pacing the floor while preaching. Bangs the pulpit. And, playing EMOTIONAL music the whole time. All used during hypnosis
@LadyD1979 It's funny how the Pentecostal Preachers can tell YOU not to get hypnotized. But, yet, if THEY (the preachers) do it, then it's not a problem at all. I'm telling ya (and it doesn't matter whether YOU believe it or not) that they ARE hypnotizing their members. Maybe not ALL Pentecostal Preachers do this. But, a LOT of them do. Just a fact! Google it. Please! Do yourself a favor and learn the truth. I know, u r scared to learn the truth. You want to KEEP feeling that rush (that high)
@LadyD1979 I was hypnotized and I am NOT full of demons at all. I still have the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues almost EVERY day. Sometimes several times per day. And, have a great relationship with God MOST of the time. Like I said, sure, there ARE times where I feel like there is NO God. But, most of the time, I do believe ... and believe very strongly. And, I have NEVER heard anybody say that Pentecostalism is "like" hypnosis. Never! But, that is a red flag in & of itself if people say this
@FREEDOM6427 When people speak in tongues, it is easy to hypnotize. Hypnosis works VERY well when you are speaking in tongues. And, it is a well known FACT that Pentecostal Preachers go to HYPNOSIS classes. Don't believe me? It doesn't matter whether you do or not. Look it up online. Ask ANY hypnotist. Their classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers. Have had NUMEROUS hypnotists tell me this (and other people I know have been told this, too). So, do your homework and YOU will see this, too.
@FREEDOM6427 I asked my hypnotherapist IF he thought I could be hypnotized. He said, "What do u want to be hypnotized for?" I told him that I wanted to get over all the horrible, nightmarish experiences that I had while going to the UPC." He started laughing. He said, "You wonder IF you can be hypnotized and you went to a Pentecostal Church???" He said, "Sir, you have been hypnotized probably THOUSANDS of times. Every single service. Over & over again." "Pentecostal preachers r MASTERS at this."
@LadyD1979 I am perfectly content. Have no idea what you are talking about. Just hate to see people being used. Hate to see people being taken advantage of. They use hypnosis during the offerings (so you will give MORE money). You need to start watching youtube videos about this. They show how hypnosis is used on the members. They start coming in droves and give money like crazy (even if they cannot afford it) because they are HYPNOTIZED (under a spell, so to speak). Keeps them in line, also.
No real need for tongues in our present time, moreover that special gift has ceased already after having fulfilled its ordained purpose for the early church. We have God's written word in our hands now, The author, The Holy Spirit indwells every believer in Christ Our Lord and Lord The Son is with us even to the end of the age. We really shouldn't be asking for more, yet if we do, the devil/demons will pitch in to fulfill that lust for more :) Be warned. No tongues needed period. Amen.
"Acts 19:6 Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied"
I don't wanna be touched by Paul, but I wonder what it feels like when the Holy Spirit comes on me. The only thing that will come out of my mouth then is probably holy jizz, but yeah, there might be a chance I start prophesizing.
friends be not deceived.. before the Rapture takes place California the city of angels will sink 40 miles below sea level. it wil slide into the ocean...remember this prophecy... as it was in the days of Sodom as it was in the days of Jesus Capurnium sank.. at the last Trump California will sink.. for sharks will swim over it! millions will die. if you live to see this know that you are in the tribulation period.
@AnthonyBmuzik Yes, of course, But in 5:00 he says that Jesus said: "**While** I transform you, **then** I will transform the world and I will make them like me".
In 5:35 he again says: "I will transform it (your heart), then I will transform the world sayeth The Lord of holies"
So, in context, he is not talking about transforming the planet but about tranforming all of people's hearts, while the Christians' hearts are being transformed. Prophetically, this will not happen.
Let's just assume tongues are for today, where in the Bible does it mention that it is Jesus' words talking through the person who is speaking in tongues, a direct revelation from God?
@JD2010CWS Although the gift of tongues is mysterious in its function,we read that our human spirit prays, although this is a gift of God which He uses to edifies us&the Church. As to your question, we clearly read Acts 2:4,11. 1Co 12:3-11 Also, logic says that when one speaks in tongues&someone with the gift of interpretation conveys that message, this would edify the church only if the message is something from God, bringing to mind also that the Spirit of God lives in born again Christians.
@outofthebox7 Yes, it would be from God but nowhere does it say it is God's direct words, the Bible never mentions tongues in this way. It mentions tongues as glorifying God and praising God but never as God talking directly through the person who is speaking in tongues.
@JD2010CWS I see.I said that "although this is a gift of God which He uses to edify us&the Church"(1Co14:5).This is what the passages clearly show.This being the case,2 things come through this gift,1from my spirit&1from God who can eidify the listeners through it when there's interpretation,yes?We also read:"no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,but by the Holy Ghost."So we see a tie between what the Spirit says&we say,no?We read in 1Co14:2 that he speaks mysteries,who provides them? Your take?
5:35 "I will transform it (your heart), then I will transform the world sayeth The Lord of holies"
---The above don't sound like the way Jesus of the Bible would speak. Jesus knows and it is prophesied that the whole world will NEVER be transformed, so why would He says this?? HE WOULDN'T.
@outofthebox7 "Jesus knows and it is prophesied that the whole world will NEVER be transformed, so why would He says this?? HE WOULDN'T." => Exactly What came to my mind after I got done watching the video ! Awesome !
@AJBluesmanGlad you discerned it(1Co14:29).But,you wrote above:"Remember Our Lord Is Coming Very Soon !",but when do these verses say He will come forthe rapture,after what events:1Co 15:51-52,Μαρ.13:24-27(->Λουκ.21:26-28),Β’Θεσσ.2:3-4,8(but read1-8),Rev 20:4-5(we will still be here as the previous passages here show).
------2Th2:3Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.
Hello and God Bless, I am a former member of the 70's-90's older COGOP. This is the spirit of God trying to get the church back on track. I have heard so many messages down thru the years, that "we have left our first love and must return to the first love before God will truly bless us and give us victory." I was at the General assembley when the spirit left the church, and I watched him depart. God forgive us for our hard headedness, and show us again the way back to the old paths
New revelations?????????????????????????????
SecillianOEspanol 2 days ago
IF HYPNOSIS WASN'T SUCH A PART OF THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, THEN WHY IS IT THAT MOST OF THESE MINISTERS (PREACHERS) R FILTHY RICH? AND, IF THEY AREN'T FILTHY RICH NOW, THEY WILL BE ONCE THEY GET MORE & MORE MEMBERS (HENCE, THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING PEOPLE TO ASK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO CHURCH ... THE MORE PEOPLE GET CONVERTED ... THE MORE MONEY). MY PASTOR HAD A DAY SPECIFICALLY FOR LAWYERS, DOCTORS, NURSES (AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAD/HAVE LOTS OF MONEY). WHY NOT HAVE A McDONALD'S EMPLOYEES DAY?
David8024667 4 days ago
Where is the closeup of the people talking. There were closeups of the guy at the pulpit talking & then when tongues started no one could be viewed. And all the people just sitting there. If God was really speaking in that building there should have been some real praise going on. Seems suspect to me.
amedina625 1 week ago
@amedina625 I agree with you 110% ... it DOES seem suspect. Really does!
David8024667 6 days ago
I used to be Oneness Pentecostal. And, I used to be struck with FEAR whenever I would hear a tongues of interpretation. And, that was the GOAL ... to whip people into shape, so to speak. But, now that I am OUT of the Church, I can look at it from the outside in. And, I can see how fake it is and how it is used to CONTROL the members and get them under submission to the Pastor. It's funny how that the interpretation would fall in line with what the Pastor said a lot of the time. Coincidence? NO!
David8024667 1 week ago
@David8024667 Oh my, perhaps the Holy Spirit gave you a message that struck somewhere you were not ready to go yet and then you believe is "Pastor" control? Careful with pride .
LadyD1979 1 week ago
@LadyD1979 Uh, I think I know the difference between da Pastor controlling us & a tug (or conviction) from the Holy Ghost. There is a HUGE difference. And, this was NOT the Holy Ghost. This was DEFINITELY the Pastor trying 2 completely CONTROL us with the ups & downs of emotionalism. We were like puppets & HE (the Pastor) was the puppeteer (pulling the strings). It wasn't just ME who thought this, but MANY throughout the Church. But, u usually don't see it when u r STILL involved in da Church
David8024667 6 days ago
It's funny how that these people (the one who SPOKE in tongues & the one who INTERPRETED the tongues) were EASILY heard in this video. U could hear them loud & clear. It's almost as though SOMEONE (or several someones) KNEW WHAT WAS GOING 2 HAPPEN B4 IT EVER HAPPENED ... like it was PLANNED BEFORE THE SERVICE). They MUST have had microphones on their bodies. I mean, they were out in the AUDIENCE (far from the microphones on stage). I'm sure they don't have microphones planted all over the Church
David8024667 1 week ago
@David8024667 Once the Spirit of the Lord grips you to deliver a message its like your throat is opening and the message comes out really loud. Its not like they knew what was going to happen but its the same Spirit acting in both of them, and He knew what was going to happen.
LadyD1979 1 week ago
@LadyD1979 I understand how the Spirit works, maam. But, the thing is you could tell this whole thing was FAKE. And, like I said, how come the person who was speaking was able to be heard like there was a microphone RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM (when they were NOT on the platform but in the middle of the audience). This right here sends up red flags. Does it not?!!? I WOULD THINK SO!!! It sure says a LOT to me. Just doesn't make sense whatsoever ...
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 No it doesnt, the man was speaking loud, like i said the Holy Spirit opens up your throat and u get much louder when you are to deliver a message. There was probly other mics there too so one probly caught his sound. This sounds genuine to me.
LadyD1979 6 days ago
@David8024667 and you also can tell because of the nature of the message. Who is the message glorifying?
LadyD1979 6 days ago
@LadyD1979 The messages at MY Church were usually glorifying the Pastor (not God). And, I don't care HOW loud these people were talking, the microphones on the STAGE would NOT have been able 2 pick up the voices of these people as well as it did had they NOT had microphones placed near (or even ON their bodies). That's what I am thinking. But, that does NOT mean that that's what happened. It just seems suspect 2 me (as another poster said). It was probably someone who KNEW Italian or whatever
David8024667 6 days ago
@LadyD1979 I could say all sorts of GOOD things about God. But, does that mean that God was talking THROUGH me to say those things? I don't think so! Just because it was glorifying God (or saying good things about God) does NOT mean that God, Himself, was talking through this person. Kind of crazy to even think this way.
David8024667 5 days ago
Gave me goosebumps. Holiness is God's way. We must go after Him with our whole hearts. God have mercy.
NoSuchThingAsTrinity 1 week ago
@NoSuchThingAsTrinity The goosebumps was part of the "fear" factor I was talking about in an earlier post. I used to feel goosebumps ALL the time when I was going there, too. But, it is all part of the brainwashing. I felt like my whole head was NUMB (and goosebumps going up & down my WHOLE body). The highly emotional music. The preacher going insane on the stage and TRYING to work people into a FRENZY. Hypnosis at its finest. Ask any hypnotist if u don't believe me. They go to hypnosis classes
David8024667 1 week ago
@David8024667 I feel goosebumps when the presence of the Lord is manifest, tangible.
LadyD1979 1 week ago
@LadyD1979 You FEEL like it is the Holy Ghost (when in all reality, it is the CHEMICALS in your brain going crazy). Adrenaline and things like that. I know, I used to feel the same things, myself, ALL the time when I was going to a Oneness Pentecostal Church (UPC). And, I thought it was God's Spirit (the Holy Ghost), too. But, then, I found out later that it wasn't what I thought it was (when I went and talked to a hypnotist). Look it up online if you don't believe me. Don't take MY word for it.
David8024667 6 days ago
@LadyD1979 And, the preacher keeps (throughout the entire service) saying, "Oh, I can FEEL the Holy Ghost." I feel this or I feel that (notice how many times they say the words, "I feel ... ." They say it ALL the time (because they WANT you to FEEL something). The music pumps you all up (or gets you in a really sad mood) depending on what TYPE of music they play (but they KNOW what they are doing). And, they keep TELLING you what it is that u r feeling - the "Holy Ghost." But, it's NOT the H.G.
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 I also feel the Holy Spirit many times, and its very real! After a while we learn how to hear His voice.
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 The Schizophreniac also thinks that he/she hears from God. People who hear voices scare me. I think what you feel is adrenaline and things like that. Remember, I used to feel the same things, myself. And, once I got OUT of that Church, I started seeing things I never saw before (because my eyes were now OPENED). My eyes were blinded when I was in Church because I was soooo brainwashed and indoctrinated. I was TOLD what to believe. I was TOLD what to feel. Etc., etc., etc., ...
David8024667 5 days ago
@David8024667 and im telling you is not only goosebumps one can feel. Have you ever heard of the gift of discernment of spirits?
LadyD1979 1 week ago
@LadyD1979 I have the gift of discernment of spirits. And, that is how I know this is FAKE.
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 oh yeah, how did you get it? :)
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 Uh, let's see, GOD gave it to me :)
David8024667 5 days ago
@David8024667 how can an atheist have a gift of the Spirit?
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 WHO said I was/am an atheist??? I sure didn't!!! There ARE times that I have "leaned towards atheism" because of all the bad (let me re-phrase that, HORRIBLE) things that happened to me while going to an Apostolic Pentecostal Church (UPC). The ABUSIVE Church I went to was like a NIGHTMARE I couldn't wake up from. And, still have problems dealing with it. So, there ARE times where I feel like there is NO God. But, those times are very few and far between.
David8024667 5 days ago
@David8024667 umm all the atheist videos on ur profile thatswhy i ask.
LadyD1979 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 Most of the time, I believe very strongly in God. I just HATE religion. Man made religion (like the UPC) does a number on people. I have had to go 2 psychologists & psychiatrists 4 years now (all due to the horrible experiences I had while going to the UPC). And, my therapist says that she has a LOT more people who also went to a UPC and they are going through the SAME EXACT PROBLEMS. Plus, all the websites talking about spiritual abuse in the UPC. I AM NOT ALONE! HAVE GREAT COMPANY!
David8024667 5 days ago
@David8024667 you dont believe God most of the time, wether you believe in the God of the Bible or not, there is no 50%. What was so horrible in that UPC?
LadyD1979 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 YEAH, I DO TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND (UNLIKE YOU ... BEING SO BRAINWASHED AND ALL). JUST SO YA KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO AN ATHEIST WEBSITE BUT NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE OR HEAR. DID YOU KNOW THAT? DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU DO. I, MYSELF, TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND THAT IS HOW YOU LEARN THINGS AND DON'T BECOME STAGNANT IN YOUR THINKING. I DON'T SHUT MYSELF OFF FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD LIKE U DO. THAT IS PART OF THE BRAINWASHING. THEY WANT U TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 Oh, let's see, what WASN'T so horrible in the UPC I went to would be a better question. We weren't allowed to do ANYTHING (everything was against the rules ... "holiness standards"). We had a curfew on us (sounds pretty cultish to me right here, looking back at it, with UN-brainwashed eyes). They filled us with nothing but FEAR and CONDEMNATION. And, threatened us with HELL if we didn't CONFORM completely to the Pastor's wishes. "Horrible things would happen to us IF we ever left."
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 You get kicked OUT of everything you were involved in if you didn't give enough money to the Church (aka ... the Pastor). And, he does not understand financial hardships at all. He does NOT care. Never did. Oh, and if YOU do have financial hardships later on, and you go to him (the Pastor) to get some help of some kind, you can forget about that. "Exhaust all possible resources before coming to me for help. You try Catholic Outreach? Salvation Army? Etc., etc., etc., ???"
David8024667 4 days ago
@David8024667 this is my church!
you are lying we have a womens homeless shelter and one for men.We have outreach programs for pple on drugs or going through divorces.When school started we loaded 2 school busses full of supplies and gave them away not to mention the thousands of dollars we give to help every year. I have not always been able to give anything sometimes and it never made a difference.
truthseeker1014 4 days ago
@truthseeker1014 If you had a curfew then thats riduculous not all pentecostal churches are the same so dont judge them all.
truthseeker1014 4 days ago
@truthseeker1014 I never judged them ALL (as you are saying I did). I have done just the OPPOSITE. So, please don't judge ME. I would appreciate that. If you read ALL my posts (which, obviously, you have only read a couple), you would realize that I have said that there are some GOOD Churches, too. But, I was only telling you MY OWN PERSONAL experiences.
David8024667 4 days ago
@truthseeker1014 I am lying about WHAT?!? I have not lied about ANYTHING. Everything I have said thus far has been the truth of what I have been through, PERSONALLY. Now, maybe U have had a DIFFERENT experience. But, what I am telling you is what I PERSONALLY WENT THROUGH. And, did I ever say that they didn't help people with drug addictions or those who were going through a divorice? NO!!!! MY Church helped with THAT kind of thing, too. But, wouldn't help their OWN members if THEY had a problem
David8024667 4 days ago
@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
David8024667 4 days ago
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@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
David8024667 4 days ago
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@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
David8024667 4 days ago
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@truthseeker1014 You have NO idea whether I am lying or not. So, why do YOU say such a thing? Do you know ME? Do you know what happened to ME while going to a UPC? NO!!! So, why do you PRETEND to know what happened to me and say that I am lying (when YOU know no such thing)? Sounds to me like it's YOU who's lying. U r saying that these things did NOT happen to me. And, they DID. Have I ever said that ALL UPC Churches r like this? NO!!! I have said just the opposite. There R some good Churches
David8024667 4 days ago
@truthseeker1014 I am glad that they helped with that sort of thing. That was nice of them. I never said that they DIDN'T help with that sort of thing. Not once did I say something like that. What I told you was my own PERSONAL experience (was NOT saying that ALL UPC Churches were like this). I think you read only ONE post of mine and thought I was attacking the UPC as a whole (when I was telling you of my OWN personal experience with them and ONLY MY EXPERIENCE).
David8024667 4 days ago
@David8024667 Not all churches r like that. Your heart is hardened because of something that happened to you. I have gone through that myself. And it was very hard, you may open the door to depression in your life. But I am telling you , the best thing to do is to pray for them. Forgive, and let the Lord heal your heart. The Lord is real and His power too.
LadyD1979 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 Oh, I do know this. And, I don't think that ALL UPC Churches are like this. But, I was just saying what my PAST experiences have been with the UPC. I have had nothing but bad, it seems (with the exception of a few good experiences, too). I am TRYING my best to let God heal my heart. I break down really easily and just bawl my head off, speaking in tongues. I can't just cry. I end up speaking in tongues (which is NOT a bad thing, but I'm just saying ... ).
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 It's soooo hard to let go of it all, though. Had way too may bad (nightmarish) experiences in the UPC that I could never mention them all. And, they are EXTREMELY hard to let go of. I will give you ONE example. I had a friend come to Church with me when I was probably 14 years old. There was a tongues of interpretation during that service (scary service). The interpretation was, "There is one who's here who has NOT yielded 2 MY voice. I AM DONE WITH U" (or something like that) - CONT.
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 My friend said that he thought the message was 4 HIM. But, said that he could never conform 2 ALL the rules cuz there were just way 2 many 2 deal with. He especially had a hard time w/the curfew & the fact that we weren't allowed 2 have or watch tv's. Anyways, 2 make a long story short, he DIED 3 days later. Got hit by a car (was so bad that they had 2 have a closed casket). A lady at the Church told me that the blood of his' soul was on MY hands cuz I didn't pray him thru 2 the H.G.
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 (CONT.) Can you imagine what that did to ME (as a 14-15 year old)??? I had nightmares, thinking that I caused this kid to go to HELL (cuz that's where the lady said he went and there were several OTHERS who agreed with her). These people were soooo fanatical about everything. And, their eyes looked like they were going to POP out at any given moment. It was really scary to me cuz I thought (at the time) that I had caused this friend of mine to go to HELL and nobody told me differently
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 I am sorry to hear that YOU had some bad experiences in the UPC, too. It's almost like playing the lottery. You have all these bad (horrible) Churches. And, then, there's always a few good Churches, too. I have went on the internet. And, there are TONS of websites on United Pentecostal Churches and the abuse that people who go to these Churches suffer. And, these people speak out about THEIR experiences. And, some of them are absolutely STARTLING and OUTRAGEOUS (but true).
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 I am scared to ever step foot in another UPC. At my Church, they told us that if we ever left, horrible things would happen to us (car accidents, sicknesses, diseases, deaths of not only you, but loved ones, too - family, friends ... etc., etc., etc., ). We had the "hedge of God's protection AS LONG AS WE CONTINUED GOING THERE. BUT, THE MOMENT WE STOPPED GOING THERE, WE WOULD LOSE THAT PROTECTION. AND, ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE ON OUR LIVES."). That was their method to KEEP us there
David8024667 4 days ago
@David8024667 I dont know wht u mean by UPC :). But that sounded like a very hardcore church. We have to let the Spirit do the work, not people. In my house my children r not allowed to see certain programs and they have to respect their parents. They were trying to scare you into obedience. But remember the Lord says in the Bible that HE would right His laws on our hearts and minds.
LadyD1979 4 days ago
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UndercoverApostolic 3 hours ago
@LadyD1979 All I'm saying is that these Churches should NOT be there to scare you half to death. At my Church, I used to see people CLUTCHING onto the pews in front of them because they were so scared. And, they would make jokes about that (like that was funny). I don't think it's funny at all. That's HORRIBLY wrong. And, abusive. God doesn't operate like that. Or, at least, I don't believe He does. But, that was all part of the brainwashing I went through (to keep us there and to CONTROL us)
David8024667 4 days ago
Look at all the sheeple
wickedmind09 1 week ago
All these folks saying that the baptism of the Holy Ghost which produces tongues, is not for today just breaks my heart, and I really don't understand how someone could believe that, cause one of the reasons for the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for the edification of the saints,and praying in tongues is to build up your most holy faith, it's like they are saying the saints no longer need to be edified or built up. They don't know what they are missing, do they? Acts 2:39 tells who this is for.
FREEDOM6427 1 week ago 2
@FREEDOM6427 "Speaking in tongues" was NOT something that people did where nobody knew what was being said. They DID know what was being spoken. It was an actual language that was being spoken (not babbling). That's what happened in the Bible. But, today, when people speak in tongues, it is just an EMOTIONAL experience pretty much (a high that you get). Like a DRUG. Not at all what happened on the Day of Pentecost. But, something that Pentecostal Preachers can use to hypnotize you.
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 also noitice that that brother is c lose to the pulpit, his voice caught the microphone.
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 I noticed that they were FAR away from the pulpit (and platform). What video are you watching??? Even if the person WAS close to the pulpit (which that was NOT the case), the microphone still wouldn't be able to pick up the voice as well as it did, I wouldn't think. And, where is the praise? If it was REALLY God talking through these people, you would think that there would be a LOT of heartfelt praise going up. But, there isn't. People are just looking around and watching. Suspect!
David8024667 4 days ago
@FREEDOM6427 When people speak in tongues, it is easy to hypnotize. Hypnosis works VERY well when you are speaking in tongues. And, it is a well known FACT that Pentecostal Preachers go to HYPNOSIS classes. Don't believe me? It doesn't matter whether you do or not. Look it up online. Ask ANY hypnotist. Their classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers. Have had NUMEROUS hypnotists tell me this (and other people I know have been told this, too). So, do your homework and YOU will see this, too.
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 We speak in tongues for different reasons and hyptnotizing is not one of them. You have had hypnotists tell you that. Well they arent christians are they? Hypnotism is not of God and it is a reason why they say its "like" petecostalism, we are taught in the Bible to get full of the Holy Spirit, and the hypnotism gets people full of demons!! so they are spirits too, just not of God.
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 What part of "The HYPNOTISTS classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers" did you NOT understand? I never said that the hypnotherapists were Christian. What I said was that these hypnotherapists were teaching the Pentecostal Preachers HOW to hypnotize in their classes. And, the hypnotherapists said that once they learn, they become MASTERS at hypnosis. And, I have heard this not only from hypnotherapists but also other people who have gone to hypnosis classes. So, I know it's TRUE.
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 Look it up 4 yourself. I didn't believe it at first, myself, either. I didn't WANT 2 believe it. I wanted 2 believe that everything was REAL & AUTHENTIC. A real moving of the Holy Ghost (God's Spirit). But, facts r facts. And, the facts are that these people are under HYPNOSIS (mass hypnosis). The preacher starts out talking slowly. Then faster & faster. He starts pacing the floor while preaching. Bangs the pulpit. And, playing EMOTIONAL music the whole time. All used during hypnosis
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 It's funny how the Pentecostal Preachers can tell YOU not to get hypnotized. But, yet, if THEY (the preachers) do it, then it's not a problem at all. I'm telling ya (and it doesn't matter whether YOU believe it or not) that they ARE hypnotizing their members. Maybe not ALL Pentecostal Preachers do this. But, a LOT of them do. Just a fact! Google it. Please! Do yourself a favor and learn the truth. I know, u r scared to learn the truth. You want to KEEP feeling that rush (that high)
David8024667 4 days ago
@LadyD1979 I was hypnotized and I am NOT full of demons at all. I still have the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues almost EVERY day. Sometimes several times per day. And, have a great relationship with God MOST of the time. Like I said, sure, there ARE times where I feel like there is NO God. But, most of the time, I do believe ... and believe very strongly. And, I have NEVER heard anybody say that Pentecostalism is "like" hypnosis. Never! But, that is a red flag in & of itself if people say this
David8024667 4 days ago
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@FREEDOM6427 When people speak in tongues, it is easy to hypnotize. Hypnosis works VERY well when you are speaking in tongues. And, it is a well known FACT that Pentecostal Preachers go to HYPNOSIS classes. Don't believe me? It doesn't matter whether you do or not. Look it up online. Ask ANY hypnotist. Their classes are FULL of Pentecostal Preachers. Have had NUMEROUS hypnotists tell me this (and other people I know have been told this, too). So, do your homework and YOU will see this, too.
David8024667 6 days ago
@FREEDOM6427 I asked my hypnotherapist IF he thought I could be hypnotized. He said, "What do u want to be hypnotized for?" I told him that I wanted to get over all the horrible, nightmarish experiences that I had while going to the UPC." He started laughing. He said, "You wonder IF you can be hypnotized and you went to a Pentecostal Church???" He said, "Sir, you have been hypnotized probably THOUSANDS of times. Every single service. Over & over again." "Pentecostal preachers r MASTERS at this."
David8024667 6 days ago
@David8024667 Are you in strife or something?
LadyD1979 5 days ago
@LadyD1979 I am perfectly content. Have no idea what you are talking about. Just hate to see people being used. Hate to see people being taken advantage of. They use hypnosis during the offerings (so you will give MORE money). You need to start watching youtube videos about this. They show how hypnosis is used on the members. They start coming in droves and give money like crazy (even if they cannot afford it) because they are HYPNOTIZED (under a spell, so to speak). Keeps them in line, also.
David8024667 4 days ago
No real need for tongues in our present time, moreover that special gift has ceased already after having fulfilled its ordained purpose for the early church. We have God's written word in our hands now, The author, The Holy Spirit indwells every believer in Christ Our Lord and Lord The Son is with us even to the end of the age. We really shouldn't be asking for more, yet if we do, the devil/demons will pitch in to fulfill that lust for more :) Be warned. No tongues needed period. Amen.
AJBluesman 2 weeks ago
@AJBluesman Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
John 3:5
Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
dfragg24 2 weeks ago 2
@AJbluesman Acts 19:6 Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied
dfragg24 2 weeks ago 2
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"Acts 19:6 Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied"
I don't wanna be touched by Paul, but I wonder what it feels like when the Holy Spirit comes on me. The only thing that will come out of my mouth then is probably holy jizz, but yeah, there might be a chance I start prophesizing.
Helleu1 1 week ago
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friends be not deceived.. before the Rapture takes place California the city of angels will sink 40 miles below sea level. it wil slide into the ocean...remember this prophecy... as it was in the days of Sodom as it was in the days of Jesus Capurnium sank.. at the last Trump California will sink.. for sharks will swim over it! millions will die. if you live to see this know that you are in the tribulation period.
TheRaviiraj 2 weeks ago
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TheRaviiraj 2 weeks ago
Don't believe everything you see or hear people...Remember Our Lord Is Coming Very Soon ! Amen.
AJBluesman 2 weeks ago
@AnthonyBmuzik Yes, of course, But in 5:00 he says that Jesus said: "**While** I transform you, **then** I will transform the world and I will make them like me".
In 5:35 he again says: "I will transform it (your heart), then I will transform the world sayeth The Lord of holies"
So, in context, he is not talking about transforming the planet but about tranforming all of people's hearts, while the Christians' hearts are being transformed. Prophetically, this will not happen.
outofthebox7 2 weeks ago
Let's just assume tongues are for today, where in the Bible does it mention that it is Jesus' words talking through the person who is speaking in tongues, a direct revelation from God?
JD2010CWS 3 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS Although the gift of tongues is mysterious in its function,we read that our human spirit prays, although this is a gift of God which He uses to edifies us&the Church. As to your question, we clearly read Acts 2:4,11. 1Co 12:3-11 Also, logic says that when one speaks in tongues&someone with the gift of interpretation conveys that message, this would edify the church only if the message is something from God, bringing to mind also that the Spirit of God lives in born again Christians.
outofthebox7 2 weeks ago
@outofthebox7 Yes, it would be from God but nowhere does it say it is God's direct words, the Bible never mentions tongues in this way. It mentions tongues as glorifying God and praising God but never as God talking directly through the person who is speaking in tongues.
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS I see.I said that "although this is a gift of God which He uses to edify us&the Church"(1Co14:5).This is what the passages clearly show.This being the case,2 things come through this gift,1from my spirit&1from God who can eidify the listeners through it when there's interpretation,yes?We also read:"no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,but by the Holy Ghost."So we see a tie between what the Spirit says&we say,no?We read in 1Co14:2 that he speaks mysteries,who provides them? Your take?
outofthebox7 2 weeks ago
4:50 "If you will allow me or will not allow me I will transform your hearts"
4:55 "Then I will transform this world"
5:35 "I will transform it (your heart), then I will transform the world sayeth The Lord of holies"
---The above don't sound like the way Jesus of the Bible would speak. Jesus knows and it is prophesied that the whole world will NEVER be transformed, so why would He says this?? HE WOULDN'T.
outofthebox7 3 weeks ago
@outofthebox7 "Jesus knows and it is prophesied that the whole world will NEVER be transformed, so why would He says this?? HE WOULDN'T." => Exactly What came to my mind after I got done watching the video ! Awesome !
AJBluesman 2 weeks ago
@AJBluesmanGlad you discerned it(1Co14:29).But,you wrote above:"Remember Our Lord Is Coming Very Soon !",but when do these verses say He will come forthe rapture,after what events:1Co 15:51-52,Μαρ.13:24-27(->Λουκ.21:26-28),Β’Θεσσ.2:3-4,8(but read1-8),Rev 20:4-5(we will still be here as the previous passages here show).
------2Th2:3Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.
outofthebox7 2 weeks ago
THis is Italian?
QuestenEnjoysLife 3 weeks ago
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upcbangkok 4 weeks ago
Hello and God Bless, I am a former member of the 70's-90's older COGOP. This is the spirit of God trying to get the church back on track. I have heard so many messages down thru the years, that "we have left our first love and must return to the first love before God will truly bless us and give us victory." I was at the General assembley when the spirit left the church, and I watched him depart. God forgive us for our hard headedness, and show us again the way back to the old paths
TurbineTim100 4 weeks ago 2
@TurbineTim100 COGOP member here...The Spirit is still dong His work this way in our churches....and in New ways
noexcuses345 3 weeks ago
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upcbangkok 1 month ago