For everyone saying that Jaco sucks on the first song come back after 5-10 years of listening to some "more challenging" music with some dissonance in it and maybe you will then understand his brilliance on here.
@deepintoblues ...ya man! personally after Jaco & Tony -something similar like Coltrane & Dolphy or the last acoustic quinte of Davis- I need get closer to J.S.Bach, anything else is boring for me.
Wow! I never heard this before. I love it. And if Tony is pissed off he should be pissed off more often. Thats the best shit I've heard him play except on Bernie Worrels album. I don't notice anything wrong with Jaco's playing. Fuck the perfect shit ,thats boring. I love the mistakes thats real music. Fuck Yeah!!!!
For all the critics of Jaco here. Maybe he is not hitting the tonic because if you are a musician with any depth you will try like crazy to not hit the tonic because that's what 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of musicians are doing most of the time, and it's boring.
Well, McLaughlin didn´t wanted to release these creations, considering they were subpar, but it seems he somewhat mellowed his attitude towards the recording as years went by. Whether people like them or not, luckily the recordings were not erased or lost, because if this is a bad recording, imagine what they would had sounded like on good terms....
These 'legendary' recordings from the one & only live TOD gig and make-up studio date are nothing short of spectacularly mediocre and a perfect example of too many chefs spoiling the broth. There's absolutely NO chemistry here at all. No dynamism, no fire, no magic. In theory it was a great idea but in actuality it ranged from uninspired at best to a trainwreck at worst. Compare this lackluster stuff to any of the GREAT things that each guy did on his own and it isn't even in the ballpark.
If you actually listen to the music instead of reading the names of the players, it sucks ass. Some guy commented down below that Jaco was playing in the wrong key? Yeah, no shit. If you can point to the tonality in this mess, go ahead.
@rexasul conventional harmony isn't bad, nor is unconventional harmony. This isn't conventional harmony because Jaco is literally lost. This is a 12-bar blues. The pocket is impeccable; the harmony is ridiculous. However, I can see why you like it. It sounds chaotic - but only because it IS chaotic. This is the essence of musical chaos. Shit went wrong here.
Tony saved the shit out of this - Jaco's playing sounds absolutely retarded, harmonically, not something that I would often say.
@Parvenu333 I agree with what you're saying, I wasn't trying to have a dig or anything. Perhaps I've listened to it so much that I've become under the illusion that it all has some kind of singing quality about it. But it definitely quenches some kind of thirst, so that's enough for me.
@Parvenu333 Yes sir. Too say that Tony was mightily angered by Jaco's playing on this would be putting it mildly. He wanted to kick the shit out of him. This is why they never got the trio properly together and released any of the music while it was contemporary.
@dorian411 Where can I find the story about Tony wanting to kick the shit out of Jaco? If its true' there should be something online about it some where. Right?
YT won't let me post a link, just type in Jaco+Tony's names on Google: "Jaco says, "Well, I think we can do it better." Tony jumps in front of Jaco and says, "Better' Better, motherf****r'!!" He pushed Jaco up against the wall. And Jaco's like, "I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry." Tony didn't hit 'em or anything. He had Jaco up against the wall and Jaco was like apologizing profusely. He knew he f****d up bigtime. So after 10 minutes of Tony blasting him, Tony went into the studio & destroyed his kit."
@msawbe II have not been back to this clip in a while. I will take the time to find the reference for you. Off the the top of my head one of the sources is a biography of Jaco that used to be available at Tower records (years ago). Another, is from liner notes quoting McLaughlin. At any rate, I will get this to you. I did NOT make this up.
I hope that Jaco was high or something on this recording, he played like he was for sure. John and Tony played well even though you can hear that they are annoyed by Jaco´s playing.
Saw Jaco in 1978 in the Omaha City Music Hall when he was a member of Weather Report. They were touring after the release of "Heavy Weather". Jaco was the Jimi Henrix of the bass guitar. He truly was.
I'd have to say that this recording of Para Oriente contains what I consider to be the best playing from Mclaughlin that I've heard up until now. His tone is in good taste, unlike what was to come during the next few years, he isn't going over the top, and he's playing less notes but with far more feeling.
jaco just keeps playing scales in every video.. only the chicken is cool, rest is abit boring imo... keep the hating posts coming coz i feel 'em already!
@toefes I'd like to see you play it. Jaco is a Musical Genius. It doesn't matter if its scales or not. its how he plays, and the soul he puts into it. He was one of the most original bassists Ive ever heard.
what is most amazing is that jaco was not even playing in the correct key during the solo. And that TW was so pissed after this show that he wanted to kick the shit out of Jaco. After some effort they went to the studio to try to make an album but TW was still so angry at Jaco's attitude that they never finished it. The stuff on this cd is from Cuba and that ill fated session.
@dorian411 funny because this isnt the show, this is the studio one. also maybe you have some pitch problems or something but he is playing in the right. dont you think after a minute or two JM would have stopped the take because jaco wasnt playing in the right key signature?
He wasn't referring to the old story about the live show, I believe. Tony just generally didn't like Jaco's playing or attitude at all, and that is why the trio never went underway. Just listen to the harmony on the first track here. Jaco hits the tonic occasionally, but nothing else is even relevant to the harmony. It's a mess. McLaughlin is playing relatively inside, but Jaco is just ruining everything. They lack communication completely. It sounds as if they were at two different sessions.
@fusion4bass can you buy his third solo record "holiday for pans" I just read the book and the record company shelved it didn't like it so I wonder if its ever been made available.
@222Lightning it's been available as a bootleg for several years. but it features another bass player trying to pass himself off as jaco. still the album has a beautiful version of she's leaving home, that's worth the price.
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OkePelele 3 weeks ago in playlist Jaco Pastorius and Weather Report
probably the best improv gig ever!
Triskeliontrio 2 months ago
For everyone saying that Jaco sucks on the first song come back after 5-10 years of listening to some "more challenging" music with some dissonance in it and maybe you will then understand his brilliance on here.
deepintoblues 3 months ago
@deepintoblues They are all just killin' it!
deepintoblues 3 months ago
@deepintoblues ...ya man! personally after Jaco & Tony -something similar like Coltrane & Dolphy or the last acoustic quinte of Davis- I need get closer to J.S.Bach, anything else is boring for me.
rikibitta 2 months ago
Wow! I never heard this before. I love it. And if Tony is pissed off he should be pissed off more often. Thats the best shit I've heard him play except on Bernie Worrels album. I don't notice anything wrong with Jaco's playing. Fuck the perfect shit ,thats boring. I love the mistakes thats real music. Fuck Yeah!!!!
grooveunitedvideo 5 months ago
amazing! this is quite possibly the best trio in the history of jazz fusion, at least IMHO
rhythmatist2013 7 months ago
For all the critics of Jaco here. Maybe he is not hitting the tonic because if you are a musician with any depth you will try like crazy to not hit the tonic because that's what 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of musicians are doing most of the time, and it's boring.
bamboosa 10 months ago 2
i love that funky jam midway through
dr05guitar 11 months ago
i want that tone so bad in para oriente... towards the end it doesnt even sound like a guitar
TheGhostofGeddyLee 11 months ago
well now we know they are called by trio of doom
razor131001 1 year ago
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razor131001 1 year ago
Well, McLaughlin didn´t wanted to release these creations, considering they were subpar, but it seems he somewhat mellowed his attitude towards the recording as years went by. Whether people like them or not, luckily the recordings were not erased or lost, because if this is a bad recording, imagine what they would had sounded like on good terms....
lalbruiz 1 year ago
YES! This is an amazing record!
TheFigueroa007 1 year ago
Aw shit, my brains, they're all over the wall!
DrDeBass 1 year ago
Aw shit, my brains, they're all over the wall
DrDeBass 1 year ago
Pretty damn impressive!
Jaco...another misunderstood GENIUS...killed by being beaten to death in an alley out back of the bar...go figure!
GregRX7 1 year ago
Giant Steps 2:11 Kool.
acloakwithahood 1 year ago
These 'legendary' recordings from the one & only live TOD gig and make-up studio date are nothing short of spectacularly mediocre and a perfect example of too many chefs spoiling the broth. There's absolutely NO chemistry here at all. No dynamism, no fire, no magic. In theory it was a great idea but in actuality it ranged from uninspired at best to a trainwreck at worst. Compare this lackluster stuff to any of the GREAT things that each guy did on his own and it isn't even in the ballpark.
jonsilence 1 year ago 2
@jonsilence Boy, you said it!
LvnAction 1 year ago
nothing went wrong. jaco knows exactly what he's doing
mcc072653 1 year ago
If you actually listen to the music instead of reading the names of the players, it sucks ass. Some guy commented down below that Jaco was playing in the wrong key? Yeah, no shit. If you can point to the tonality in this mess, go ahead.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333 Trio of DOOM, not convention. This track in particular is doom-laden jazz hell, and I hope to go there when I die.
rexasul 1 year ago
@rexasul conventional harmony isn't bad, nor is unconventional harmony. This isn't conventional harmony because Jaco is literally lost. This is a 12-bar blues. The pocket is impeccable; the harmony is ridiculous. However, I can see why you like it. It sounds chaotic - but only because it IS chaotic. This is the essence of musical chaos. Shit went wrong here.
Tony saved the shit out of this - Jaco's playing sounds absolutely retarded, harmonically, not something that I would often say.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333 I agree with what you're saying, I wasn't trying to have a dig or anything. Perhaps I've listened to it so much that I've become under the illusion that it all has some kind of singing quality about it. But it definitely quenches some kind of thirst, so that's enough for me.
rexasul 1 year ago
@rexasul Right, and I respect that.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333 Yes sir. Too say that Tony was mightily angered by Jaco's playing on this would be putting it mildly. He wanted to kick the shit out of him. This is why they never got the trio properly together and released any of the music while it was contemporary.
dorian411 1 year ago
@dorian411 Where can I find the story about Tony wanting to kick the shit out of Jaco? If its true' there should be something online about it some where. Right?
msawbe 1 year ago
@msawbe
Yes, Jaco played in the wrong key and tried to screw everything up on purpose, He was high as a kite I guess.
SevenCircles 1 year ago
YT won't let me post a link, just type in Jaco+Tony's names on Google: "Jaco says, "Well, I think we can do it better." Tony jumps in front of Jaco and says, "Better' Better, motherf****r'!!" He pushed Jaco up against the wall. And Jaco's like, "I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry." Tony didn't hit 'em or anything. He had Jaco up against the wall and Jaco was like apologizing profusely. He knew he f****d up bigtime. So after 10 minutes of Tony blasting him, Tony went into the studio & destroyed his kit."
dennisandvicki 1 year ago
@msawbe II have not been back to this clip in a while. I will take the time to find the reference for you. Off the the top of my head one of the sources is a biography of Jaco that used to be available at Tower records (years ago). Another, is from liner notes quoting McLaughlin. At any rate, I will get this to you. I did NOT make this up.
dorian411 11 months ago
@rexasul I'm only talking about the first tune, by the way.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333
I hope that Jaco was high or something on this recording, he played like he was for sure. John and Tony played well even though you can hear that they are annoyed by Jaco´s playing.
SevenCircles 1 year ago
@SevenCircles
With that said. True or not. I still like it....
videolover61 1 year ago
This is Jaco at his best. HE is the right bass player for McLaughlin.
vivelavidarocka 1 year ago
Saw Jaco in 1978 in the Omaha City Music Hall when he was a member of Weather Report. They were touring after the release of "Heavy Weather". Jaco was the Jimi Henrix of the bass guitar. He truly was.
PANDOSING 1 year ago
ty MP
GavesaQuadrada 1 year ago
I'd have to say that this recording of Para Oriente contains what I consider to be the best playing from Mclaughlin that I've heard up until now. His tone is in good taste, unlike what was to come during the next few years, he isn't going over the top, and he's playing less notes but with far more feeling.
ClemenzaKimble 1 year ago
jaco just keeps playing scales in every video.. only the chicken is cool, rest is abit boring imo... keep the hating posts coming coz i feel 'em already!
toefes 1 year ago
@toefes go listen to Havona and come back troll
jryuwah 1 year ago
@toefes and he's doing a walking bassline, every bass ever played is all a piece of a scale., so what are you saying?
jryuwah 1 year ago
@toefes I'd like to see you play it. Jaco is a Musical Genius. It doesn't matter if its scales or not. its how he plays, and the soul he puts into it. He was one of the most original bassists Ive ever heard.
enterthetoucan 1 year ago
@toefes . Sorry Dude, you're clearly in the wrong place..
elpudino 1 year ago
McLaughlin has always called this show the Bay of Gigs. Great chops but the interaction was a disaster, and it was Jaco's fault.
AngelicGunrunner 1 year ago
what is most amazing is that jaco was not even playing in the correct key during the solo. And that TW was so pissed after this show that he wanted to kick the shit out of Jaco. After some effort they went to the studio to try to make an album but TW was still so angry at Jaco's attitude that they never finished it. The stuff on this cd is from Cuba and that ill fated session.
dorian411 2 years ago
@dorian411 funny because this isnt the show, this is the studio one. also maybe you have some pitch problems or something but he is playing in the right. dont you think after a minute or two JM would have stopped the take because jaco wasnt playing in the right key signature?
boogster123321 1 year ago
He wasn't referring to the old story about the live show, I believe. Tony just generally didn't like Jaco's playing or attitude at all, and that is why the trio never went underway. Just listen to the harmony on the first track here. Jaco hits the tonic occasionally, but nothing else is even relevant to the harmony. It's a mess. McLaughlin is playing relatively inside, but Jaco is just ruining everything. They lack communication completely. It sounds as if they were at two different sessions.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
WOW tony williams is amazing
Guns8000 2 years ago
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god i love this song.
dt207307 2 years ago
Great album - i found it by mistake looking for everything with Jaco Pastorius
fusion4bass 2 years ago 2
@fusion4bass can you buy his third solo record "holiday for pans" I just read the book and the record company shelved it didn't like it so I wonder if its ever been made available.
222Lightning 2 years ago
@222Lightning it's been available as a bootleg for several years. but it features another bass player trying to pass himself off as jaco. still the album has a beautiful version of she's leaving home, that's worth the price.
normanhathaway 5 months ago
this is sick! where can i find more of this band
PermanentWave62 2 years ago
Sorry to say but this was the only album they did. But cheak out the tree members other work, they all went on to do great stuff.
JohnnyRiddler 2 years ago 2
your mum went on to do great things you wasteman
stecranium 2 years ago
Can't.
darkstarcaptaincrunk 2 years ago
I like the live version of Dark prince even better, it's even more energetic
boertush 2 years ago
I wonder how many people can actually hear fast/well enough to appreciate what musicians who work at this level are really doing.
I gotta sense I'm missing a lot due to my own limitations -- but I still enjoy it!
Thanks for posting!
YouzTube99 2 years ago
this music is sooo deep dude
idowork7000 2 years ago
Absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!!
jrodjazz 2 years ago
gelo pisan... Anjing bangeeet... LIGRO will have to play thjis Song
agamhamzah 2 years ago
かっこいい！
shougishi 2 years ago
it does not get better than this folks! tony williams is on fire on this track, wish i could of seen this live.
davidjholt68 2 years ago 2
i read they played Cuba
mloaks 2 years ago 2
wat a shredfest lol
Nuxunumo 3 years ago
Yes, this is the most glorious form of human cock-wrestling you'll ever hear.
Every so often I'll be coming to this comment section just to utter something like: ZOMFG!!!!111 YES!
DarthKazi 3 years ago 10
jaco !!!!!!!!!!!!!
ncbloom 3 years ago
pretty sweet
pocketaces2012 3 years ago
It's just like putting 3 gods together and their quality, their spirits and strength grows incredibly high while playing together.
WayneSan187 3 years ago 3
I FUCKING LOVE THIS.
StevieLeeRachel 3 years ago 2
complete... and utter... madness... fookin brilliant!!!
LUMBERTHON 3 years ago 2
The first time I heard to live version at the Cuba fest on vinyl, I just about shit my pants.
Holy cow man. Nothing else in the world will ever compare again.
DarthKazi 3 years ago 8
that is one fucking trio
volcanovape420 3 years ago
the album is so perfect..
WasyMusicPower 3 years ago
thats cool heard em on the radio but this song sounds a lil like the goblins or claudio simotteti. That weird sound.thats real music.
bigjohnstone 3 years ago
God, could the motherfuckers play...
clarkewi 3 years ago
great stuff, thanks for posting
drummerman558 3 years ago
I love it.
007zz 3 years ago
Favorite band ever.
SampsonFTL 3 years ago 2