Increasing intelligence does not mean you eliminate diversity and everyone becomes the same. Is every highly intelligent person the same? No. Neither would people if they merged with Heilos. You know what I think is dehumanizing? A worldwide cult or total capitalism. Look at how all cult members dress and act the same. Look at how globalization makes everything so homogenized. This ending of Deus Ex is the only logical solution.
Helios is not a depot. Helios is immune to things that corrupt a human leader. Just think - a leader with no ambitions at all but to rule with an absolute instantaneous democracy. Its is actually a very interesting subject. And in theory, it would work, since nanites embedded in each cell in your body would technically connect you to Helios would be airborne. Everyone would be connected.
@fica018 I'm sorry, but when Helios ITSELF, through it's intermediary JC, is the only one telling me that it won't abuse the enormous power that i'm about to bestow upon it, i'm not sure I'd want to give it that power.
@MultiBOZA Not at all actually. Helios governs by viewing everyone as an individual, giving true equality to everyone and governing on a case by case basis.
What Equilibrium is close to is the novel 1984, an oppressive dictatorship that closely watches the actions of everyone except with the twist that everyone is also forced to take a drug to suppress their emotions.
The only thing Equilibrium and Deus Ex have in common is the cool cyberpunk and dystopian themes.
The endings were not crap. The world reached a critical height that would influence a drastic global change in one direction or another. As the Deus Ex you must decide which path humanity will follow. Your options are to join Helios and create a perfect government or god (Reference Deus Ex 1), Join the Templar and save the soul of the human race allowing it to remain pure (the price of which is a return to the feudal pyramid of leadership), or to let the Illuminati rule over spirit and mind.
@BillThePaxton I always liked the Helios endings the best. Plus, the Helios endings are the only ones that don't require you to eliminate the opposition.
best ending.Putting humanity under the absolute control and knowledge of a single entity would obviously put our advancement into the future more fluid.
Wow. Am I really supposed to beat the whole bloody game to see... THIS crap?! : S One of the great many reasons I refuse to acknowledge the existence of DE:IW (as a sequel to the greatest game ever created by man), is that every single ending of this game sucks ass. Badly.
I thought the whole point of the helios thing wasn't so much that he was turning humanity into a total hive mind, as that he was linking all of humanity into what amounts to a real-time democracy. Every single person uses the nanites to link with helios who then moderates their participation in voting, etc.
Helios shares in everything they do, but they don't share things completely with eachother unless they want.
This is probably the only ending that doesn't seem negative, and even so it doesn't seem positive because of the music. I loved Invisible War, but I HATED how they did the endings. I think it was pure magic the way the original Deus Ex made you feel you made the right choice no matter what you did.
@Arzaker So, would you rather have a world that is constantly at war with itself?Lives in the bondary of its own ego because it thinks its special and deserves a massive thumbs up? Well in the name of Ramsay. Stars, my ass, references no chance. I dont care what uve done!!All i care about is what you can do NOW, HERE!! So get ur ickian/jonesian quack out of the hole and start seeing the bigger picture.
You can be who your are providing it harms none in a physical, mental or spiritual way.
Increasing intelligence does not mean you eliminate diversity and everyone becomes the same. Is every highly intelligent person the same? No. Neither would people if they merged with Heilos. You know what I think is dehumanizing? A worldwide cult or total capitalism. Look at how all cult members dress and act the same. Look at how globalization makes everything so homogenized. This ending of Deus Ex is the only logical solution.
Important to say - every ending in IW is pure evil, because it is absolute. Very good for education, very bad for personal feelings about this game. :-)
@Cla0016 This is pure evil ending. Helios Ending of DX1 seemed so nice, but only when you don´t look forward, because of such level of unity is pure evil, it is equivalent of deatch, end of all things - this ending is very common in japanese manga, when main antagonists try to do similary think - for example Charles in Code Geasse, Madara in Naruto or the best example Neon Genesis Evangelion. Pure evil. :-)
@jakubcorwin I disagree, I think that this is one of two "good" endings, fully embracing transhumanism. The Illuminati ending is plausibly a good ending, but rejecting transhumanism. In my view, the Omar and Templar endings are both definitely bad choices.
So, merge, get rid of privacy and freedom, give up "free will" and become one entity? Aren't those important aspects of what makes the human race the human race? Is it like the aliens from the book "Ender's game?"
@XMisterXPumpkinX No, thats the Omar and they have that ending. In the JC Denton ending everyone VOLUNTARILY connects to Helios and every person connected shares knowledge and not by force and not by eradicating personalities. This ending is more like having Google inside your head, running all the time. If you dont use it, its no big deal. The Omar are more like the Borg.
There are videos here with JC telling Alex about his plans, which doesn't exactly sound like voluntariness is an option. He doesn't answer Alex's question what would happen if anyone resisted. Of course "having Google" in your head might be a problem someday - just imagine the power someone could abuse when, against all odds, he was able to corrupt/control the Helios AI. In this ending, Helios sounds like a despot, which is fair, since a game like this shouldn't have a "good" ending.
@Lenariet the problem is that Helios, even as an AI, exists throughout the internet and technology like Daedalus was. Helios has no center, and thus would be mostly incorruptible due to no central program. And as a backup, JC is no program and would likely stop any attempt to corrupt Helios as he is Helios and he is not. Plus, a hacker would need to remove Helios' mind connection, as it would know what the hacker would do the second he thought about doing it.
@Lenariet Resisting, in this context, would be the equivalent of refusing to vote. I'm sure if someone was really hell bent on not having their opinion be considered, everyone else would be aware of their desire to do so, thanks to the nano-link, and would happily comply. This ending is really easy to misinterpret as Helios taking control, when that's not really the case at all...he would have about as much control as the person who counts votes, without any ambition to massage the numbers.
@XMisterXPumpkinX I think what Helios/JC Denton is planning is to create the ultimate form of democracy: Everyone has something to say not only a select few. It resembles, in a few ways, the old Greek notion of democracy.
Helios is just a man made benevolant god, capable of eliminating mankinds need for power, by keeping them from thirsting for it. Benevolant omnipotence. No lies, crimes, theft, cruelty, poverty, power/class divison, conspirators, or power mad control freaks.
You can even hear him say something in regards to "Helios has automated the economy"
With nothing more to need, there is no longer greed.
Live, be safe, and be happy, Helios has it under control.
MOTHER FUCKING HELIOS HAS SPOKEN SON!!! wow lol, i think this is such a low way of thinking... being all one is justt not.... well, i'm not a robot and nor am i legion from Mass Effect so please let my mind be my self... =____=
@khatack i'm not sure the Omar function as a hive mind as well. Omar do have more 'upgrade' like the borg, But I think the essence of the borg is their hive mind, where there is no I. And if giving up that 'I' is the only way to a idealistic world according to this ending, then count me out. I wont be assimilated without a fight, plus massive kinetic impact (read bullets) don't have an energy patern which they can become immune to. (can't believe they didn't figure that one out on the shows;)
@PaladinLord47 The Omar have a low-level hive mind; each member has a part of their brain replaced with a wireless transmitter that keeps them all connected to each other. Every Omar knows what's happening to every other Omar.
@Revixy Privacy for what?To commit crimes?Then you dont deserve privacy. Privacy to have sex/masturbate?Now if Helios is an egoless perfect being, would it really care what you would be doing in bed?
Are you really worried that someone is going to be on the other side of the camera and poke and laugh at you. The only fear that exist is fear we create ourselves. Not what others create.
@johntrevy, I'm not afraid of the big brother effect, but there is a limit to how our lives should be lived, and how our personal information about our lives should be shared. What helios is doing is out right stupid, sharing all knowledge and activity that any human do, or think. Every human have skeletons in their closets, even you, information you don't want out, which means you as a human no longer have a private life, and you will see things that will eventually drive you crazy.
@Revixy please give examples? are you gay?So what, big deal. So what you jerk off. I jerk off, its healthy and im pround to cum, even on camera. As regards to other peoples "skeletons", I think ive seen enough to understand that everyone is different, and need not be ashamed. EVERY human has a disability of some form. I cant write properly. My brain is slow, but i think more deeper and longer than the average person.
Should we really close ourselves off to eachother?
@johntrevy, the question you should be asking is this, why should others see you do all those things, if they don't want to? See thats the issue, they can't close their eyes now that things are steamed live to them, through their own brain, and they will see and hear everything, even if they don't want to.
Not to mention that their actions will be shared to you as well perhaps against their will, which rubs them of their privacy. You may get turned on by this, but they surely, won't.
Turns out that the whole "Perfect Democracy" is all rhetoric after all and Helios actually turns humanity into brain processors like JC Denton himself. So Helios is really no different than the Omar...
Some believe that videogames will only make people violent and unintelligent. But looking at the comments on this video should prove that games can be alot more than just mindless brutality.
it's not that people are bad, it's the social system itself that makes people bad. we learn from the day we are born, that to be successful we have to trample other peoples feelings, dreams and lives, before they do it to us and that those who cant or wont will live in misery. so we strive to be as evil as we can in order to live better.
I recently read that here's a device constructed that allows to scan thoughts and determine what will a person do without any wires attached to his/her head. Imagine this installed in all human settlements - Minority Report or Helios ending?
It seems that J.C. is completely psychotic and evil in some sense; even though in Deus Ex you seem to play a "good guy" you're apparently pure evil trying to push..wait a second..what the fuck happened at the end of Deus Ex?...Why is J.C. trying to dominate the world and bring about a massive change that would strip us of our freedom and individuality?...This kind of seems..fuck it I'm lost completely.
@LeVaughnX In Invisible War every ending that is possible in the first Deus Ex has happened. I believe their explanation was that J.C. did merge with Helios to become a benevolent dictator. But it went completely to the shitters when technology more or less collapsed (seems Helios was´nt able to prevent that) entering the Dark Age (which Tong wanted to happen) which ended in Illuminati seizing control in the end.
Well, at least this is what I have heard as being the "official" explanation.
The JC Denton/Helios consciousness claims that it would communicate, and not assimilate. I don't like the way they made Helios speak in the third person and exclaim "Helios will speak" and "Helios has spoken" It makes him sound far more of an assimilator than a communicator. And it also claims that "life would go on as usual" which sugests that our mentality would remain intact. What happens to those that do not want to remain connected to Helios?
@TheJoker7392 My guess is that there would probably be no outward punishment for people that didn't connect but life would get increasingly harder for those who aren't, kind of like trying to get by today in a western country without a bank account, mobile phone and internet, its technically possible and legal but most people will use them by choice, people will enslave themselves, hence the Deus Ex Machina, God From the Machine
Just finished the game again - chose this ending, which defines ultimate communism imo. All people are equal - although it can be argued at what cost? This ending seems to also involve the loss of free will (at least partially).
Free will, whilst it can be dangerous, is also what makes us human in my opinion, so whilst this ending is certainly the least bad, it's not without it's down points.
@Moorpheus19 At first I thought this a bad ending. But its not really. Its a mind meld, not a hive mind. Sort of an ultimate democracy. Everyone has a voice much like the old greeks had, not our republic. True if it works out that we all help each other then it will have elements of true communism too. Which is not bad. But true we would lose something critical I think we need that bit of drive and recklessness to advance as well as the caring.
@TerrorandLove4u Finally, someone gets it. Thank you. You're certainly right in saying that we would lose "something critical" - something critical to being identified as a human being, which the Dentons and Tong acknowledged in the game. The idea was to move beyond being human, into being something else. Whether or not one thinks it's a good thing is a subjective matter, but the tradeoff you've painted there is wholly accurate. Personally, this was the ending I went for, and I don't regret it.
i believe most of the worlds problems come from a lack of understanding, therefore if this actually happened the world would be a generally better place
I've gotta say, the majority of discourse on this thread has been philosophical and polite. Props to 2o7Circles, Buzzlord, Circle of the skies, and all the rest for taking this and making some meaningful observations.
It's an interesting society to think of. In some ways, it has an ideal government - you can get complete consensus from all individuals on policy decisions.
The question is to what extent does the individual exist? Perhaps the individual exists (and is somewhat isolated from the 'network' until maturity to ensure individuality - ie, you don't get truly connected until adulthood) and you simply have the ability to communicate with each other - even memories could be deemed private. Or not...
None of the endings were particularly appealing but this one had the benefit of not committing murder, which I think is what the devs were getting at with the end quote. It's why I played for the Dentons, but I did start killing towards the end. And I drugged and kidnapped NG Resonance.
as far as i know and forgive me if i`m wrong. its not a hive mind its more of shared link
everybody gets there vote in and there oppinion too share and then the best compromice is made for all and made a rule.
sounds like a realy fair system. as for the no free will? just how much free will do you think you have right now? anyway plz remember its a game don`t take everthing so hardcore from a game
and plz as much as i love mass effect don`t compare it too deus ex
as far as i know and forgive me if i`m wrong. its not a hive mind its more of shared link
everybody gets there vote in and there oppinion too share and then the best compromice is made for all and made a rule.
sounds like a realy fair system. as for the no free will? just how much free will do you think you have right now? anyway plz remember its a game don`t take everthing so hardcore from a game
What I hated MOST about Invisible war is that JC was in it. I love him in Deus Ex 1, because he is what I make him out to be. Here, he's fleshed out, he has an opinion that isn't what I made it be in Deus Ex (I chose the Dark Age), and he's a freakin' douchebag. Invisible War made me annoyed for most of the game, then really pissed off at the end. Sure, it's not a horrible, horrible game, but it ISN'T the sequel that Deus Ex 1 deserves. I hope Human Revolution is better.
@uadfa reapers =singularity which is pretty much the same thing in this ending. If you fail in ME3 this could be the result but on a galactic scale.......or extinction.
@lgeass88 Not really, because in this ending, humanity still maintains individuality. But they become a collective concious, sharing each others minds and thoughts. They would be able to understand each other's opinions and view points through Helios, ensuring a perfect democracy. The Renegade/Omar ending is far more closer to being indoctrinated than this ending.
@uadfa True but each reaper is just like this in a since the only difference is that each reaper is a nation so you can just substitute a perfect democracy for each reaper. Remember the reapers want humanity to ascend with them not just indoctrinate them.
@lgeass88 No, not at all. The Reapers themselves want to mindcontrol and take away the free will of organics, than harvest them later on. Helios was to maintain a utopian society, without mind controlling anyone.
@escopeteroce It's not so much a "Hive" mind, as it's really a collective mind. You can maintain a different opinion than the other individual, but you can easily the reasoning to the other's person's different point of view. Helios's ending has more in common with the Geth, than with the Reapers. The Reapers certainly want to indoctrinate organic species, in order to make them succumb to the path they desire.
@ProtoCyberpunk I dunno man, I liked the Omar ending. When trying to stop every other asshole from ruling the world, I ended up dooming the human race and planet as we know it! People will remember the name Alex Denton and Leo Jankowski brah
@ProtoCyberpunk what makes you say this? This ending is wonderful! :D <3 I would accept this future entirely, a universal understanding. Also, assimilation, not merging, is what this is. You will never feel the need to be sad again, because everyone will have a universal understand of each other, I think it's quite beautiful n_n
@ProtoCyberpunk You don't quite seem to understand that their understanding into the mind of others will be likewise. We will also be able to correct a wrong before it happens, so there won't ever be any. You think as if only some would be included, but all of the world would be connected, not leaving seperate random individuals to wander off on their on and keep making errors and being, well "pedophiles and rapists".
@EatMoreCrayons so we become a hive species? that still sounds unbelievably shit, individuality is one of the corner stones of what makes us stand out from the animal kingdom.
@ProtoCyberpunk Unfortunately, individuality also seeds a VERY wide amount of different beliefs, which way too often clash and make people mad at each other. As much as it makes us 'different' from the animals as YOU say, it also destroys us. Personally, I believe that we right now pretty much are like the animals. But a universal understanding would be REALLY unlike the animals. We live, breathe, communicate, have our tools these days-... So does the monkeys, they just have more primitive tools
@ProtoCyberpunk So as much as you like to believe differently, we all like to do that, even I, we are just very clever monkeys. We believe that we know everything, think that we are so smart with our cars and internet. But really, we don't know shit, it's an arrogant thing to say otherwise.
@EatMoreCrayons I really don't understand what your on about, why would psychopaths opt into this system of perfect democracy or even people who want to work things out by their selves and with select groups of their choosing (BTW I never played the game does JC denton merge with helios, causing the collectivization of humanity as a species because of augmentation?). If it is the case that all of humanity that has augmentation is under mind control and hooked up to a virtual forum. how would -
@EatMoreCrayons this system of governance control those who are not included in this forum? how would it ensure against cyber/physical attacks on the main frame? This perfect system of understanding simply sounds like the successful enslavement of humanity no matter how much post modernism is garnished over it.
@ProtoCyberpunk I think you need to complete the game to understand this, there's a few details that are quite complicated to explain, but this solution is working with nanites using the perfected DNA-code (prevents rejection by the immune system), so it spreads to all of mankind, every single person on the planet, by spreading the nanites into the atmosphere.
Elect a supercomputers who cares in 2012!
VOTE HELIOS
lorenc1000 4 days ago
So, no free will? Goddamn it
TheCoincidence 5 days ago
@TheCoincidence More like the will of the majority or the collective over the will of the individual.
TheNemesis274 5 hours ago
Destroy ALL borders!
MithranArkanere 3 weeks ago
Share my mind with everyone... oh shit no!
alecburn 1 month ago
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because helios utopia is not the libtard utopia: in the libtard utopia...
all people have gay sex with arab children, worship 0bama's idol karl marx
and braindead Islam/Communist devouts and the economy would be totally ruined.
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Increasing intelligence does not mean you eliminate diversity and everyone becomes the same. Is every highly intelligent person the same? No. Neither would people if they merged with Heilos. You know what I think is dehumanizing? A worldwide cult or total capitalism. Look at how all cult members dress and act the same. Look at how globalization makes everything so homogenized. This ending of Deus Ex is the only logical solution.
MasterLPG 1 month ago 3
We are borg!
Leifthrasir 1 month ago
Helios: The word of the lifespan is YES.
dawatchng 2 months ago
Mind control? I don't think so...
StarAdder92 2 months ago
FAIR O JUNK UH...
FTLsFINEST 2 months ago
each ending is unique that another sequal cannot be made. each ending would require a game of its own.
lightsaber609 2 months ago
this game is really forcasts our history , i wish i was that guy Denton
gidioter 3 months ago 2
Helios is not a depot. Helios is immune to things that corrupt a human leader. Just think - a leader with no ambitions at all but to rule with an absolute instantaneous democracy. Its is actually a very interesting subject. And in theory, it would work, since nanites embedded in each cell in your body would technically connect you to Helios would be airborne. Everyone would be connected.
fica018 3 months ago 12
@fica018
what about a change of coding? Helios is sentient, what do you think will stop him from turning us into mindless pawns?
nothing is immune... nothing.
gavilatius 1 month ago
@fica018 I'm sorry, but when Helios ITSELF, through it's intermediary JC, is the only one telling me that it won't abuse the enormous power that i'm about to bestow upon it, i'm not sure I'd want to give it that power.
Helios is not a tyrant!
Why not?
Because Helios says so!
Y'see what i'm getting at?
Beelzeboogie 1 week ago
I suggest you read Alexis de Tocqueville and to get a better understanding; "In every democracy, the people get the government they deserve"
BillThePaxton 4 months ago 2
Does this remind you of the movie Equilibrium? It's the same!!!!!!!
MultiBOZA 4 months ago
@MultiBOZA Not at all actually. Helios governs by viewing everyone as an individual, giving true equality to everyone and governing on a case by case basis.
What Equilibrium is close to is the novel 1984, an oppressive dictatorship that closely watches the actions of everyone except with the twist that everyone is also forced to take a drug to suppress their emotions.
The only thing Equilibrium and Deus Ex have in common is the cool cyberpunk and dystopian themes.
DilutedDreams 3 months ago 3
The endings were not crap. The world reached a critical height that would influence a drastic global change in one direction or another. As the Deus Ex you must decide which path humanity will follow. Your options are to join Helios and create a perfect government or god (Reference Deus Ex 1), Join the Templar and save the soul of the human race allowing it to remain pure (the price of which is a return to the feudal pyramid of leadership), or to let the Illuminati rule over spirit and mind.
BillThePaxton 4 months ago
@BillThePaxton I always liked the Helios endings the best. Plus, the Helios endings are the only ones that don't require you to eliminate the opposition.
DilutedDreams 3 months ago 14
Pretty much every ending was crap. :/
wayfarerpg 4 months ago
@wayfarerpg I agree.
turgore 2 months ago
best ending.Putting humanity under the absolute control and knowledge of a single entity would obviously put our advancement into the future more fluid.
Just imagine,no wars,no emotions.
Vosbraka 4 months ago
The purpose of Helios is not to take away emotions and free will but to create equality and remove impulsivity.
BillThePaxton 4 months ago
@BillThePaxton or vice versa.
once you create equality,do you really have a character?
Vosbraka 4 months ago
Cool. He's playing Sims.
Theonegamefreak 4 months ago
Owww pretty
1nonlydtrey3 4 months ago 2
Wow. Am I really supposed to beat the whole bloody game to see... THIS crap?! : S One of the great many reasons I refuse to acknowledge the existence of DE:IW (as a sequel to the greatest game ever created by man), is that every single ending of this game sucks ass. Badly.
mastertoci 4 months ago
I thought the whole point of the helios thing wasn't so much that he was turning humanity into a total hive mind, as that he was linking all of humanity into what amounts to a real-time democracy. Every single person uses the nanites to link with helios who then moderates their participation in voting, etc.
Helios shares in everything they do, but they don't share things completely with eachother unless they want.
tyranasia 4 months ago
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persianscomeandgetth 4 months ago
why the heck does this have so many views :(
ONNIHOLTTA 4 months ago
What a shame.
MaleficMoose 4 months ago
This is probably the only ending that doesn't seem negative, and even so it doesn't seem positive because of the music. I loved Invisible War, but I HATED how they did the endings. I think it was pure magic the way the original Deus Ex made you feel you made the right choice no matter what you did.
Puglous 4 months ago
Does this mean Helios turned Humanity into the Borg?
Shadgrimgrvy 4 months ago
concensus achieved
i never asked for this
Arzaker 4 months ago
@Arzaker yes you did, you voted so did the over billions. Helios the descided the best course of action. its not hard.
johntrevy 4 months ago
@johntrevy
concensus achieved
as it turns out
i did ask for this?
Arzaker 4 months ago
@Arzaker same answer as before. What do you want in life?May i ask?
johntrevy 4 months ago
@Arzaker So, would you rather have a world that is constantly at war with itself?Lives in the bondary of its own ego because it thinks its special and deserves a massive thumbs up? Well in the name of Ramsay. Stars, my ass, references no chance. I dont care what uve done!!All i care about is what you can do NOW, HERE!! So get ur ickian/jonesian quack out of the hole and start seeing the bigger picture.
You can be who your are providing it harms none in a physical, mental or spiritual way.
johntrevy 4 months ago
@johntrevy i meant to say NONE.
johntrevy 4 months ago
@johntrevy
so in short your reffering to me as a thumb whore who doesnt have anything remotely intelligent to refer to the video with
Arzaker 4 months ago
I don't care about some Helios, why can he just leALLHAILHELIOS.
benos 4 months ago 3
@benos lol yes he has transformed! actually this is something i welcome. no wars no nothing. everyone is one and understands each other....wow .
Missmodified92 2 months ago
ha the top comments are funny but what is this their number of likes is .........51 its a conspiracy
TheFansns 4 months ago
So basically...
Everyone will have super internet plug into their heads.
Everyone knows what you know, see what you see, feel what you feel, etc.
and every decision is made if everyone connected agrees like one big voting system.
colonist067 5 months ago 3
@colonist067 Geeeeeeeeeeeth.
FromHablit 4 months ago 3
@FromHablit
we are denton
Arzaker 4 months ago
My favorite ending. Also my favorite of the factions.
YouShouldTryMeInBed 5 months ago
Deus ex, the only FPS that lets me play through shooting non-lethal Tranq-darts of love and peace.
Tarik360 5 months ago
Increasing intelligence does not mean you eliminate diversity and everyone becomes the same. Is every highly intelligent person the same? No. Neither would people if they merged with Heilos. You know what I think is dehumanizing? A worldwide cult or total capitalism. Look at how all cult members dress and act the same. Look at how globalization makes everything so homogenized. This ending of Deus Ex is the only logical solution.
Arm2 5 months ago 4
Does Helios constantly saying "ÿes" remind you of somebody else, by chance?
*cough*Dr Brackman*cough*
lollol012 5 months ago
I just finished this game for the first time, and this reminds me of Geth from Mass effect.))
KainSlash 5 months ago
@KainSlash i though the same thing
BlackWarth 5 months ago
@KainSlash You mean the Geth collective remind you of this? Since these came first.
Yasminesoulstealer 5 months ago 4
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@Yasminesoulstealer Yes, but as I said I just finished this game for the first time, so I played ME first. :)
KainSlash 5 months ago
althought it would be a perfect world, this was the ending that creeped me more
Heracleithon 5 months ago
@Heracleithon Because perfect is subjective. Utopia means "no place".
richertai 5 months ago
@richertai in fact, that world looks so dehumanized
Heracleithon 5 months ago
its funny how this ending took place in the first mission of deus ex original
that1dude0092 5 months ago
but it is adam jensens fault all this happen he is the father of alex , jc and paul d
servantxsword 5 months ago
@servantxsword You really are an asshole for not putting "SPOILER" before that.
QuadfishTym 5 months ago
@QuadfishTym It's not true. He's just retarded.
CheifyX 3 months ago
@CheifyX Phew.
QuadfishTym 3 months ago
Helios rulz! Fuck the Illuminati and religions!
Zeta439 5 months ago
Important to say - every ending in IW is pure evil, because it is absolute. Very good for education, very bad for personal feelings about this game. :-)
jakubcorwin 5 months ago
I cant tell if thats a 'good' ending or not
Cla0016 5 months ago
@Cla0016 This is pure evil ending. Helios Ending of DX1 seemed so nice, but only when you don´t look forward, because of such level of unity is pure evil, it is equivalent of deatch, end of all things - this ending is very common in japanese manga, when main antagonists try to do similary think - for example Charles in Code Geasse, Madara in Naruto or the best example Neon Genesis Evangelion. Pure evil. :-)
jakubcorwin 5 months ago
@jakubcorwin I disagree, I think that this is one of two "good" endings, fully embracing transhumanism. The Illuminati ending is plausibly a good ending, but rejecting transhumanism. In my view, the Omar and Templar endings are both definitely bad choices.
AGTMADCAT 5 months ago
AND THE GETH IS BORN
77PROMETHUS77 5 months ago 35
@77PROMETHUS77
AND THEN THEY GET HUNTED BY MOTHERFUCKING SHEPARD
OneCorruptedSoul 4 months ago
...yes.
NevermindTheGame 5 months ago
This ending reminds me of the geth
ikosabre 5 months ago
@ikosabre we are legion for we are many... we are nothing like helios! because we are less creepy!
CenturysSamurai 5 months ago
:D
ikosabre 5 months ago
ordos mentat from dune 2000 anyone?
tstochuj 5 months ago
And this is how the Geth were created
evilninja145 5 months ago 3
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Theowest 5 months ago
So, merge, get rid of privacy and freedom, give up "free will" and become one entity? Aren't those important aspects of what makes the human race the human race? Is it like the aliens from the book "Ender's game?"
XMisterXPumpkinX 5 months ago
@XMisterXPumpkinX No, thats the Omar and they have that ending. In the JC Denton ending everyone VOLUNTARILY connects to Helios and every person connected shares knowledge and not by force and not by eradicating personalities. This ending is more like having Google inside your head, running all the time. If you dont use it, its no big deal. The Omar are more like the Borg.
dmhorus 5 months ago 16
@dmhorus Oh, ok. Thanks. Although, I can't imagine every person being OK with that, even in the future.
XMisterXPumpkinX 5 months ago
@dmhorus
There are videos here with JC telling Alex about his plans, which doesn't exactly sound like voluntariness is an option. He doesn't answer Alex's question what would happen if anyone resisted. Of course "having Google" in your head might be a problem someday - just imagine the power someone could abuse when, against all odds, he was able to corrupt/control the Helios AI. In this ending, Helios sounds like a despot, which is fair, since a game like this shouldn't have a "good" ending.
Lenariet 4 months ago
@Lenariet the problem is that Helios, even as an AI, exists throughout the internet and technology like Daedalus was. Helios has no center, and thus would be mostly incorruptible due to no central program. And as a backup, JC is no program and would likely stop any attempt to corrupt Helios as he is Helios and he is not. Plus, a hacker would need to remove Helios' mind connection, as it would know what the hacker would do the second he thought about doing it.
MegamanForWii 3 months ago 2
@Lenariet Resisting, in this context, would be the equivalent of refusing to vote. I'm sure if someone was really hell bent on not having their opinion be considered, everyone else would be aware of their desire to do so, thanks to the nano-link, and would happily comply. This ending is really easy to misinterpret as Helios taking control, when that's not really the case at all...he would have about as much control as the person who counts votes, without any ambition to massage the numbers.
FoxiAndFriends 1 month ago 3
@XMisterXPumpkinX I think what Helios/JC Denton is planning is to create the ultimate form of democracy: Everyone has something to say not only a select few. It resembles, in a few ways, the old Greek notion of democracy.
Nekhet 5 months ago 2
pause it on 0:40 it looks like morgan everette
911haloguy 5 months ago
The Omar we're hive mind.
Helios is just a man made benevolant god, capable of eliminating mankinds need for power, by keeping them from thirsting for it. Benevolant omnipotence. No lies, crimes, theft, cruelty, poverty, power/class divison, conspirators, or power mad control freaks.
You can even hear him say something in regards to "Helios has automated the economy"
With nothing more to need, there is no longer greed.
Live, be safe, and be happy, Helios has it under control.
usernameisused 5 months ago
So privacy has vanished! your dog porn is my dog porn, your addictions for fudge is my addiction for fudge, your HIV is my HIV... o__O
OH SHIT WAIT WHAT??
HELIOS DONT LIKE--ERROR--ERROR--ERROR!!!
xD
CenturysSamurai 5 months ago 7
@CenturysSamurai LOL
It isnt straightforward like that but this is funny !
Missmodified92 2 months ago
HAHA THIS IS LIKE TOTAL MIND RAPE!!! xD
MOTHER FUCKING HELIOS HAS SPOKEN SON!!! wow lol, i think this is such a low way of thinking... being all one is justt not.... well, i'm not a robot and nor am i legion from Mass Effect so please let my mind be my self... =____=
CenturysSamurai 5 months ago
Ideal, and yet terrifying.
Fauxity 5 months ago
Picard would be pissed if you choosed this ending, Now we know were the borg came from....
PaladinLord47 6 months ago
@PaladinLord47
Actually I bet that the Omar bear more resemblance to the borg than the human population guided by Helios.
khatack 6 months ago
@khatack i'm not sure the Omar function as a hive mind as well. Omar do have more 'upgrade' like the borg, But I think the essence of the borg is their hive mind, where there is no I. And if giving up that 'I' is the only way to a idealistic world according to this ending, then count me out. I wont be assimilated without a fight, plus massive kinetic impact (read bullets) don't have an energy patern which they can become immune to. (can't believe they didn't figure that one out on the shows;)
PaladinLord47 5 months ago
@PaladinLord47
"Helios will communicate, not assimilate." It's the Omar that have the hive mind, people under Helios retain their individuality.
khatack 5 months ago
@PaladinLord47 The Omar have a low-level hive mind; each member has a part of their brain replaced with a wireless transmitter that keeps them all connected to each other. Every Omar knows what's happening to every other Omar.
AlhazredsGamingGoo 5 months ago
And so, privacy, VANISHED!, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Revixy 6 months ago
@Revixy Privacy for what?To commit crimes?Then you dont deserve privacy. Privacy to have sex/masturbate?Now if Helios is an egoless perfect being, would it really care what you would be doing in bed?
Are you really worried that someone is going to be on the other side of the camera and poke and laugh at you. The only fear that exist is fear we create ourselves. Not what others create.
johntrevy 6 months ago
@johntrevy, I'm not afraid of the big brother effect, but there is a limit to how our lives should be lived, and how our personal information about our lives should be shared. What helios is doing is out right stupid, sharing all knowledge and activity that any human do, or think. Every human have skeletons in their closets, even you, information you don't want out, which means you as a human no longer have a private life, and you will see things that will eventually drive you crazy.
Revixy 4 months ago
@Revixy please give examples? are you gay?So what, big deal. So what you jerk off. I jerk off, its healthy and im pround to cum, even on camera. As regards to other peoples "skeletons", I think ive seen enough to understand that everyone is different, and need not be ashamed. EVERY human has a disability of some form. I cant write properly. My brain is slow, but i think more deeper and longer than the average person.
Should we really close ourselves off to eachother?
johntrevy 4 months ago
@johntrevy, the question you should be asking is this, why should others see you do all those things, if they don't want to? See thats the issue, they can't close their eyes now that things are steamed live to them, through their own brain, and they will see and hear everything, even if they don't want to.
Not to mention that their actions will be shared to you as well perhaps against their will, which rubs them of their privacy. You may get turned on by this, but they surely, won't.
Revixy 4 months ago
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Revixy 6 months ago
I'm waiting for Optimus Primal to leap out and say "prepare to be reformatted." lol
HeavyGearX1 6 months ago
Helios has fucking spoken !!!!
Fpockets 6 months ago 70
wow
DarkWarrior747 6 months ago
More like humanity has merged with Helios.
zonilo1 6 months ago
Turns out that the whole "Perfect Democracy" is all rhetoric after all and Helios actually turns humanity into brain processors like JC Denton himself. So Helios is really no different than the Omar...
zonilo1 6 months ago
Third Impact?
CaptHawkeye 6 months ago
Cool
aryanbhan1900 6 months ago
Some believe that videogames will only make people violent and unintelligent. But looking at the comments on this video should prove that games can be alot more than just mindless brutality.
Nekhet 6 months ago 4
JC Denton needs some better speech synthetiser, because it sounds like Helios was a Commodore 64.
punipunipunisher 6 months ago
I see we have eight libertarians here...
jgcimino 6 months ago 2
it's not that people are bad, it's the social system itself that makes people bad. we learn from the day we are born, that to be successful we have to trample other peoples feelings, dreams and lives, before they do it to us and that those who cant or wont will live in misery. so we strive to be as evil as we can in order to live better.
jpteknoman 6 months ago
When people are given free will, they will mimic each other.
Eox3 6 months ago
You know Helios people might like you better if your voice wasn't so creepy
Redem10 6 months ago 73
@Redem10 Helios voice is all of our voices.
MithranArkanere 6 months ago
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Tarik360 5 months ago
Who repaired the statue?
JimmyCos 7 months ago
This ending creeps me out.
ReclusiarchLP 7 months ago
I recently read that here's a device constructed that allows to scan thoughts and determine what will a person do without any wires attached to his/her head. Imagine this installed in all human settlements - Minority Report or Helios ending?
Max0Inq 7 months ago
It seems that J.C. is completely psychotic and evil in some sense; even though in Deus Ex you seem to play a "good guy" you're apparently pure evil trying to push..wait a second..what the fuck happened at the end of Deus Ex?...Why is J.C. trying to dominate the world and bring about a massive change that would strip us of our freedom and individuality?...This kind of seems..fuck it I'm lost completely.
Human Revolution hopefully won't be as fucked.
LeVaughnX 7 months ago
@LeVaughnX In Invisible War every ending that is possible in the first Deus Ex has happened. I believe their explanation was that J.C. did merge with Helios to become a benevolent dictator. But it went completely to the shitters when technology more or less collapsed (seems Helios was´nt able to prevent that) entering the Dark Age (which Tong wanted to happen) which ended in Illuminati seizing control in the end.
Well, at least this is what I have heard as being the "official" explanation.
Nekhet 6 months ago
i like this ending because the other endings are just plain awful
ccrackodile 7 months ago
The JC Denton/Helios consciousness claims that it would communicate, and not assimilate. I don't like the way they made Helios speak in the third person and exclaim "Helios will speak" and "Helios has spoken" It makes him sound far more of an assimilator than a communicator. And it also claims that "life would go on as usual" which sugests that our mentality would remain intact. What happens to those that do not want to remain connected to Helios?
TheJoker7392 7 months ago
@TheJoker7392 My guess is that there would probably be no outward punishment for people that didn't connect but life would get increasingly harder for those who aren't, kind of like trying to get by today in a western country without a bank account, mobile phone and internet, its technically possible and legal but most people will use them by choice, people will enslave themselves, hence the Deus Ex Machina, God From the Machine
TheRhinehart86 7 months ago
Just finished the game again - chose this ending, which defines ultimate communism imo. All people are equal - although it can be argued at what cost? This ending seems to also involve the loss of free will (at least partially).
Free will, whilst it can be dangerous, is also what makes us human in my opinion, so whilst this ending is certainly the least bad, it's not without it's down points.
Moorpheus19 7 months ago 2
@Moorpheus19 At first I thought this a bad ending. But its not really. Its a mind meld, not a hive mind. Sort of an ultimate democracy. Everyone has a voice much like the old greeks had, not our republic. True if it works out that we all help each other then it will have elements of true communism too. Which is not bad. But true we would lose something critical I think we need that bit of drive and recklessness to advance as well as the caring.
TerrorandLove4u 7 months ago in playlist Deus Ex: Invisible War and Deus Ex
@TerrorandLove4u Finally, someone gets it. Thank you. You're certainly right in saying that we would lose "something critical" - something critical to being identified as a human being, which the Dentons and Tong acknowledged in the game. The idea was to move beyond being human, into being something else. Whether or not one thinks it's a good thing is a subjective matter, but the tradeoff you've painted there is wholly accurate. Personally, this was the ending I went for, and I don't regret it.
pentherapy 6 months ago 2
@Moorpheus19 Hmm... An animal can have free will, does that make it human??
Nekhet 6 months ago
Helios is awesome
MrFryhead957 7 months ago
Wow, those two top comments are amazingly civil for a youtube debate. My hats off to the both of you.
Tenaki32 7 months ago
Everyone Joining together to create Deus Ex Machina this is the best ending.
sillyrocketman 7 months ago
We are borg. Resistance is futile !
turgore 7 months ago
i believe most of the worlds problems come from a lack of understanding, therefore if this actually happened the world would be a generally better place
jjaust 7 months ago
I've gotta say, the majority of discourse on this thread has been philosophical and polite. Props to 2o7Circles, Buzzlord, Circle of the skies, and all the rest for taking this and making some meaningful observations.
Ebonyte1 7 months ago 2
JC denton is a fucked face
i hate this game, the ending is a total disappointment
Kaokli 7 months ago
It's an interesting society to think of. In some ways, it has an ideal government - you can get complete consensus from all individuals on policy decisions.
The question is to what extent does the individual exist? Perhaps the individual exists (and is somewhat isolated from the 'network' until maturity to ensure individuality - ie, you don't get truly connected until adulthood) and you simply have the ability to communicate with each other - even memories could be deemed private. Or not...
CircleTheSkies 8 months ago 2
None of the endings were particularly appealing but this one had the benefit of not committing murder, which I think is what the devs were getting at with the end quote. It's why I played for the Dentons, but I did start killing towards the end. And I drugged and kidnapped NG Resonance.
jacksawild 8 months ago
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cool70200 8 months ago
as far as i know and forgive me if i`m wrong. its not a hive mind its more of shared link
everybody gets there vote in and there oppinion too share and then the best compromice is made for all and made a rule.
sounds like a realy fair system. as for the no free will? just how much free will do you think you have right now? anyway plz remember its a game don`t take everthing so hardcore from a game
and plz as much as i love mass effect don`t compare it too deus ex
deathwatch1980 8 months ago 2
as far as i know and forgive me if i`m wrong. its not a hive mind its more of shared link
everybody gets there vote in and there oppinion too share and then the best compromice is made for all and made a rule.
sounds like a realy fair system. as for the no free will? just how much free will do you think you have right now? anyway plz remember its a game don`t take everthing so hardcore from a game
deathwatch1980 8 months ago
There is no "Icarus and Daedalus" anymore.
When Helios was born, they ceased to exist as separate beings, and become "eachother's shadow".
MorpheusOmikron 8 months ago 2
What I hated MOST about Invisible war is that JC was in it. I love him in Deus Ex 1, because he is what I make him out to be. Here, he's fleshed out, he has an opinion that isn't what I made it be in Deus Ex (I chose the Dark Age), and he's a freakin' douchebag. Invisible War made me annoyed for most of the game, then really pissed off at the end. Sure, it's not a horrible, horrible game, but it ISN'T the sequel that Deus Ex 1 deserves. I hope Human Revolution is better.
masterplusmargarita 8 months ago
and then imagine real life with possibly unlimited 'endings' ... to bad some 'people' prefer certain endings... or 'timelines'...
what goes around...
FreedomRebel 8 months ago
This is what happens if you seriously f*** up in Mass Effect 3.
lgeass88 8 months ago
@lgeass88 What do you mean?
uadfa 8 months ago
@uadfa reapers =singularity which is pretty much the same thing in this ending. If you fail in ME3 this could be the result but on a galactic scale.......or extinction.
lgeass88 8 months ago
@lgeass88 Not really, because in this ending, humanity still maintains individuality. But they become a collective concious, sharing each others minds and thoughts. They would be able to understand each other's opinions and view points through Helios, ensuring a perfect democracy. The Renegade/Omar ending is far more closer to being indoctrinated than this ending.
uadfa 8 months ago
@uadfa True but each reaper is just like this in a since the only difference is that each reaper is a nation so you can just substitute a perfect democracy for each reaper. Remember the reapers want humanity to ascend with them not just indoctrinate them.
lgeass88 8 months ago
@lgeass88 No, not at all. The Reapers themselves want to mindcontrol and take away the free will of organics, than harvest them later on. Helios was to maintain a utopian society, without mind controlling anyone.
uadfa 8 months ago
@uadfa There is no difference between not having your own consciousness and not having free will.
In a hive mind there is no freedom and there is no self.
Also, the reapers do not want to mindcontrol, only harvest the scpecies they consider worthy and exterminate the rest.
escopeteroce 8 months ago
@escopeteroce It's not so much a "Hive" mind, as it's really a collective mind. You can maintain a different opinion than the other individual, but you can easily the reasoning to the other's person's different point of view. Helios's ending has more in common with the Geth, than with the Reapers. The Reapers certainly want to indoctrinate organic species, in order to make them succumb to the path they desire.
uadfa 8 months ago 2
Maybe mankind is better off with a super computer taking over the world. Like in I-Robot.
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lemons604 9 months ago
All the endings are fucking shit.
ProtoCyberpunk 9 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk I dunno man, I liked the Omar ending. When trying to stop every other asshole from ruling the world, I ended up dooming the human race and planet as we know it! People will remember the name Alex Denton and Leo Jankowski brah
Eatsoup3 9 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk what makes you say this? This ending is wonderful! :D <3 I would accept this future entirely, a universal understanding. Also, assimilation, not merging, is what this is. You will never feel the need to be sad again, because everyone will have a universal understand of each other, I think it's quite beautiful n_n
EatMoreCrayons 9 months ago
@EatMoreCrayons so everyone understand's rapists and pedophiles do they?
ProtoCyberpunk 9 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk You don't quite seem to understand that their understanding into the mind of others will be likewise. We will also be able to correct a wrong before it happens, so there won't ever be any. You think as if only some would be included, but all of the world would be connected, not leaving seperate random individuals to wander off on their on and keep making errors and being, well "pedophiles and rapists".
EatMoreCrayons 9 months ago
@EatMoreCrayons so we become a hive species? that still sounds unbelievably shit, individuality is one of the corner stones of what makes us stand out from the animal kingdom.
ProtoCyberpunk 9 months ago
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SDenny100 8 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk Solitary animals would like to have a word with you.
SDenny100 8 months ago
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SDenny100 8 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk Unfortunately, individuality also seeds a VERY wide amount of different beliefs, which way too often clash and make people mad at each other. As much as it makes us 'different' from the animals as YOU say, it also destroys us. Personally, I believe that we right now pretty much are like the animals. But a universal understanding would be REALLY unlike the animals. We live, breathe, communicate, have our tools these days-... So does the monkeys, they just have more primitive tools
EatMoreCrayons 8 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk So as much as you like to believe differently, we all like to do that, even I, we are just very clever monkeys. We believe that we know everything, think that we are so smart with our cars and internet. But really, we don't know shit, it's an arrogant thing to say otherwise.
EatMoreCrayons 8 months ago
@EatMoreCrayons I really don't understand what your on about, why would psychopaths opt into this system of perfect democracy or even people who want to work things out by their selves and with select groups of their choosing (BTW I never played the game does JC denton merge with helios, causing the collectivization of humanity as a species because of augmentation?). If it is the case that all of humanity that has augmentation is under mind control and hooked up to a virtual forum. how would -
ProtoCyberpunk 8 months ago
@EatMoreCrayons this system of governance control those who are not included in this forum? how would it ensure against cyber/physical attacks on the main frame? This perfect system of understanding simply sounds like the successful enslavement of humanity no matter how much post modernism is garnished over it.
ProtoCyberpunk 8 months ago
@ProtoCyberpunk I think you need to complete the game to understand this, there's a few details that are quite complicated to explain, but this solution is working with nanites using the perfected DNA-code (prevents rejection by the immune system), so it spreads to all of mankind, every single person on the planet, by spreading the nanites into the atmosphere.
EatMoreCrayons 8 months ago