Israel attacks and kills Civilians on Freedom Flotilla, part 2/2, read description

[TheBusinessisgood]

are you shitting me??! they weren't suppose to be there and they knew that.as soon as they boarded the flotilla they were attacked immediately by the civilians.Your fucking video vs. the facts proves how undeniably anti Semitic you are.Im not saying that Israelis are always innocent because in the past they have retaliated against Palestinians but look at the facts as they are and you will soon realise that the Palestinians exceed way beyond the evil that the Israelis have ever committed.

[246alive]

@TheBusinessisgood well said

[Nucleo85Torino]

Hey one Israeli soldier was shot repelling from his chopper. So what did you expect his unit to do??, If it was just a slaughter they would have took out more people then the original number(which 1 person is already too many). If there is a blockade, and the ship was NOT responding, then any course of action(boarding the ship), was necessary.

[BillyBocksfuss]

terrorists and sympathizers: u hate jews and westerners so much, right? well i hope you know we hate you just as much. Furthermore--and I think i speak for most of us--if i had control of my country's bombs i would obliterate you in a heartbeat. You are lucky that our leaders are weaklings, because if the average jew or westerner ever had a chance, they (we) would take great pleasure in decapitating you, dragging your bodies through the streets, hanging u from bridges, spitting on your graves

[BillyBocksfuss]

yup, i'd drop a bomb on that boat--exterminate those fuckin vermin

[LionZARQAWI]

Zionist-dominated USA nuked Japan.

Terrorist Israel did 9/11, 7/7, the Flotilla Massacre & many other terrorist acts in all over the world.

Terrorist Israel supports terrorist groups like PKK.

Terrorist Israel & their Zionists are the Master of robbery & hypocrisy.

Terrorist Israel is the base of terrorism & the scum of the earth.

For a world without terrorist Israel.

WW3 = END OF IsraHELL

[Maxstate]

hahaha the youtube comments that are defending israel are hilarious as always

die a painful death you inhuman scum

[djnushnush]

How much this arab can be stupid ? This "peace" peoples that was on the "peace" ships was armed related to AL QUAEDA.

I have arab friends, normal friends, Not like this stupit fanatic terrorists peoples...

Good work IDF !

2 thumbs up.

[Odinfriends]

well all you deluded hamas lovers: look at the evidence.. but you aren't interessed in the TRUTH just kicking a sleeping giant & when that giant smacks you you cry "its a racist,kill it" LOL you are all very funny deluded people with some anger controll problems. go get a course in anger management & get a new backbone while you are at it.

shalom

[unkleloo]

i watched 5:41 of this thing and didn't see any violence. but i heard alot a reference to violence and mostly an accusation of violence, but still none. a total bogus video. this is what propaganda looks like.

[anigilat4]

Tayyip Erdoğan is a typical muslim leader who's facing dwindelling support in the poles and coming elections next year. Nothing in the muslim world buys one popular points than bashing Israel. That how Cynical and shrwed he is. Gaza was not even a foriegn policy issue for Turkey, until the start of Erdogan's domestic failures.

[kurtilein3]

@anigilat4

gaza is a foreign policy issue for i would say almost all countries, because its a human rights violation and a violation of international law on such a massive scale. people see that the world would be a better place if israel would stop this slow genocide, they see that its worse than apartheit south africa. so of course its a foreign policy issue. and when your boats get attacked in international waters, some would say you are dealing with an act of war.

[ramhamudon1]

@kurtilein3 REALLY? it is funny then why Erdogan is not head butting with the government of Egypt. You know, I hope, that for most of the time Israel has been keeping Gaza sealed - THE EGYPTIAN HAS BEEN DOING THE SA,E THING on their side of the border

[BillyBocksfuss]

@kurtilein3

lol-what a dupe

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

it would be not very slow genocide if people were successful in their insane demand for israel to end the blockade.

A genocide to israelis.

Why is it so hard to see that they dont want to even help the hamas in getting more rockets than they are already getting through their smuggling tunnels? through which they also get lotsof other stuff, noble hamas collection "way tax".. *coughs*

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

the blockade is illegal, its a human rights violation and a violation of international law as it constitutes collective punishment. you clearly do not care about human rights or international law.

while the ceasefire was in effect, there was not a single rocket fired, and israel confirms this. then israel broke the ceasefire, and the rockets were back. then there was operation cast lead. since then, israel has refused any agreement leading to a ceasefire.

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

basically, the truth is simple.

you cannot care about human rights and defend the israeli governments policies at the same time. its just not possible. people know this, only the US government supports israel, and unfortunately the USA is so damn powerful on the international stage that it trumps not only the opinion of the US citizen (a majority of US citizen would favor lifting the blockade) but also that of the rest of the planet.

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

Israel is sending, well documented, TONS of goods every month to gaza on their own And they allow controlled dilivery of extra stuff.

What is a problem checking stuff for weapons?

To be opposed to that is like WANTING he genocide of the israeliien people.

Its an outright lie that they dont let anything come through there.

There is no need for a controll-free seeway to gaza - other than for weapons for hamas.

They DO let shipments through after *checking*

SO hard to grasp?

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

"Israel is sending, well documented, TONS of goods every month to gaza on their own And they allow controlled dilivery of extra stuff." thats factually wrong, now it changed, before this incident with the ship happened many things were banned, for example: all building materials, including but not limited to wood and cement, all medicine was banned. the fact also is that gaza has not been able to rebuild while the people search for stones in the rubble.

[letshavealookherenow]

"all medicine was banned"

where do you get that rubbish from?

Israel is giving medic aid & even performing costly surgery for free to palestineans.

But you paint the pictcure that Israel wants to wipe out Palis. Oh wait, you acually said that.

Which is so stupid on so many levels, that you gotta let me have my fun & return your nice compliment here:

If you are one of "THE BRIGHTS", scientists are probably right about "global dimming".

[letshavealookherenow]

They could've killed em many times over & the way they are demonized now what would the difference be, slow or quick genocide -that would have been the less costly solution so far, no?

The only people with such aspirations are lunatic muslims (whose authorities are very clear about it, you can even find countless YT vid where they proclaim, thinking western cams absent, they give no shit about a "2 state solution", what they want is to rid that whole place of the last single living Jew).

[letshavealookherenow]

The only place where such a thing as human rights exists in the middle east even closely, is Israel - including for the countless non-Jews living there (you cant say such a thing of muslim regions *coughs*). Its a lonely beam of light in the middleage darkness around it.

The delivery of 10 thousands of tons of humanitarian goods every weak for many years, from Israel to gaza, on Israels cost!!!, is well documented and filmed.

You do not do that if you want to exterminate someone.

[letshavealookherenow]

No rockets shot during negotiations, you've got to be kidding.

Either one of the pali groups literally BLEW IT every time within negotiations. They don't want peace that inwolves autonomous living jews (or just living ones, for that matter), it's a sin and insult to Islam especially in that region, jews have to live under dhimma or not at all.

[letshavealookherenow]

Cement was at least restricted, yes - but the people weren't getting it anyway, hamas took it away like many things, to build bunkers.

They made torturing & hostage camps out of hospitals & schools, your defenders of human rights.

As to what "this really is about", you have no clue.

Preventing the completion of your Fuhrer's "final solution" you are so eagerly pushig for at least implicitly, is what this is all about.

One of "the brights" should know about Islam.

[letshavealookherenow]

"People with more than half a brain", as you like to say, and some basic historical knowledge acknowledge the necessity of a Jewish state and their right to defend themselves.

It is provable that the number of rocket hits on Israeln (arbitrary firing of rockets just into the masses, not military targets - now that's some human rights action and freedom fighting! So totally not TERROR!) since the gaza blockade has decreased significantly, so there is at least a wondrous correlation.

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

"There is no need for a controll-free seeway to gaza - other than for weapons for hamas." so you agree that israel has the right to turn gaza into an open-air prison, not letting anyone in or out? thats what the blockade REALLY is ALL about. and thats a violation of human rights and international law, its collective punishment. you are taking human rights, that everyone should have, away from an entire population, because of some problems with some of these people.

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

just in case you are wondering: there are many other human rights that israel is breaking, but this is the most clear one, so i will point it out to you. you have the right to leave your own country, thats a human right, and thats one example of a human right that israel denies consistently for all of these people. its an open-air prison. these people can apply for political asylum nowhere, because they factually have no way to leave the area.

[scratchneck]

STOP ISRAEL. I just heard news from Gaza from my friend there. He saw his friend get murdered by IDF. All this really makes my blood boil.

[yairbe5]

civilians my ass they were terorists the whole boat should have been bombed of the face of the earth

[kurtilein3]

@yairbe5

if they were terrorists, then where were their grenades, explosives, guns and so on? also, if they were terrorists, then why were they headed for gaza and not israel?

[yairbe5]

@kurtilein3 they did have guns and grandes and you should learn what terorism mean and they were headed for gaza to suply other terorists

[hancockvshellboy]

yairbe5 , you should think before posting it...

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

because this was a cheap propaganda stunt.

Counter question: if they were on a humanitarian, and not a cheap propaganda mission,why did they have only alibi beyond best-before date medicine from the dumpster on the ship? And why did the hamas deny, after israeli control, the further transport of the goods from the ship into gaza? They dont even want this oh so important stuff

kassam rockets fly to israel every day, *there* is no western camera.

[kurtilein3]

@letshavealookherenow

hamas wants to break the blockade, and all people with more than half a brain agree that this needs to happen. it is a violation of human rights to deny people to enter gaza, to deny people to leave gaza, to deny people from getting from gaza to the west bank, and to deny people to get from the west bank into gaza. the last two things are also a violation of international contracts israel signed. israel is right now seperating these areas, which they promised never to do.

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

"people with more than half a brain" do not feel the need to bolster their utterly weak and factually wrong points with accusing people who disagree of having only half a brain.

People who care about humans rights do not deny them to jews.

Or support hamas.

Or go on a ship waiting with knives and clubs to provoke IDF soldiers & become martyrs, generating big media show.

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

Or use children as human schields, put MORE civilians into eareas where the israeli army warned civilians to move away from because it will be a target, to have some nice media effect.

Or  tell kids to play dead for western cameras jumping around again when the camera (they knew of) is off., or wrongly remember which of both legs were "shot" and walk on the wrong one, haha.

You buy too much into paliwood propaganda-which is pretty much all the western media feeds theír people.

[letshavealookherenow]

@kurtilein3

Why is there such an immense outcry about the human rights violation that isralis commit against Palestinians - when what they do is a joke against what people like hamas do there?

Hypocricy at its best. Or extreme ignorance.

As a reminder: the blockade started together with Egypt (who nobody is attacking them for, for some strange reasons), as an nswer to prolonged arbitrary rocket firings

This "violation of international law" is also just ever-perpetuated nonsense.

[kurtilein3]

@bobray69

a boat has been named Rachel Corrie (by the way, all those bulldozers are produced by caterpillar, made in USA), and that boat will also be loaded with activists and humanitarian aid and head for gaza. i wonder if they will let that one reach gaza.

[MuhamadFahum]

@bobray69 Learn the facts asshole - the activists hit the Israeli soldiers BEFORE they've even touched the deck. They were waiting for the soldiers while they carry knives, metal clubs and chairs. The first shot was fired only after 2 soldiers were stabbed, and one of them was thrown down to the lower deck.

[hancockvshellboy]

@MuhamadFahum such a coward zionis....

[anigilat4]

I agree - what's really funny is Turkey complaining about ISR breach of int'l law and human rights, while they don't stop at nothing against the Kurds (who are far less organized or armed than Hamas) and even bomb their villages inside of the Iraqi territory. the nerve!!

[kurtilein3]

@anigilat4

turkey has other reasons to complain. the israeli army was, until now and this may change, allowed to practise somewhere in eastern turkey, also these countries have close diplomatic relations (turkey now withdrew its diplomats from israel), and there are many trade relations that can be severed, which would hurt israels economy (and more and more people in turkey are now asking for boycott, divestment and sanctions against israel).

[kurtilein3]

@anigilat4

so turkey can put quite a lot of pressure on israel, and turkey is the only ally israel has in the region. i really think that this will turn into a major diplomatic desaster for israel, turkish media is totally going crazy, they only write about how israel attacked a turkish boat in international waters and caused a massacre on board. turkey could have sent some war ships to shoot down those helicopters and sink the israeli boats in self defense, they had the right to do it.

[ForeverRomania]

jews=pirates

[kurtilein3]

@KemalfromTurkey

at least people in turkey cannot be blinded by the propaganda it seems. most americans seem to be believing the israeli version of the story. the rest of the planet seems to be criticizing israel, but these were turkish ships so the diplomatic relations with turkey will suffer the most. soon it will be USA and israel united in isolation on this issue, and as soon as the USA doesnt like the pressure anymore and changes its position, everything will change.

[Hammermaher]

I vote for free Palestine from hanASS fashists .

[ramhamudon1]

Since when "peace activists" arm themselves with knives and metal rods? and what should one do when attacked by these things? These are not peaceful humanitarians but a well organized premeditated group of thugs. The “Free Gaza” movement would be wise next time to check exactly which people it takes on board of its ships, ‘cause they just LOST their argument of being acting “peaceful”.

[kurtilein3]

@ramhamudon1

if they were armed with knifes and metal rods, then why did they fight with the first things they could grab, like chairs and pieces of wood?

also, you can search any bigger ship. you WILL find many knifes in the kitchen, and im sure you will also be able to find metal rods. the israelis just searched all those ships top to bottom for anything that could be a weapon. how many guns and grenades did they find? any explosives?

[anigilat4]

@kurtilein3 R U kidding me?? just to be clear: the people who were shot dead didn't get shot because somewhere in a drawer 3 decks below there were a couple of knives lying around. they were shot 'cause they were using these knives and rods to attack the soldeirs. This wasn't a case of civil disobidiance but a life threatening situation, and those were no "activists" they came to become martyrs and their wish was granted.

[kurtilein3]

@anigilat4

where is your evidence that knifes were used against the soldiers?

it cannot be seen in the few clips israel published. also, israel lies about the clips: they claim a soldier is being thrown over board, repeatedly, while everyone knows the soldier landed on a lower deck one floor below. israel showed the knifes they found after the search of all the 6 ships, but they produced no evidence that these knifes were not in the kitchens of these ships.

[yairbe5]

@kurtilein3 there are videos taken by the idf and by the people on the boat

[kurtilein3]

@yairbe5

yes, and we need to see them. israel searched everyone, and they could leave only with their clothes + passport, so israel has all films, cameras, miniSD-cards, cellular phones, audio-recording devices, everything. they publish short clips, that have been cut. it gives them an advantage in the media, because there is only one source for video of the event, the israeli government. they need to publish the stuff / give it back to the journalists, but then it will be terrible P.R.

[yairbe5]

@kurtilein3 what about the al jazira clips and the secutity tapes?

[kurtilein3]

@yairbe5

what security tapes? were there security cameras on board of these ships? if yes, then this is just more video footage that is under total control of the israeli government.

i know that there was one sattelite connection that was active as the soldiers were coming on board, it proves that the shooting started very early but then the connection got lost. that was the last time any data left the ship before the israelis took total control over the ships and all data on board.

[MuhamadFahum]

@kurtilein3 How can you prove 9 "activists" were shot dead? 2 Israeli soldiers were released today from the hospitals after they were hospitalized as a result of stabbing wounds.

[kurtilein3]

@MuhamadFahum

do you want to suggest that as the bullets entered their bodies, they coincidentally died of something else, like a stroke or heart attack? of course 9 people were killed by the israeli attack against these boats in international waters. and israel had no right to go on board, that alone is an international crime, and of course when you are in international waters and someone attacks you you have the right to defend yourself.

[kurtilein3]

@ramhamudon1

also, do you think that its justified to claim that the freedom flotilla was about bringing weapons into gaza? many people say this, especially the israelis. do you think that with the collection of kitchen knifes, parts of chairs, crude clubs and metal rods that the israelis found on all of these ships after an extensive search, do you think this was an arms transport? im just curious. do you think the people in gaza would be more dangerous for israel with these things?

[anigilat4]

@kurtilein3 Give me a break man. Israel didn't stopped the boats because it claimed they were taking weapon to Gaza. It did so, because it has the right to inspect anything that goes into Gaza before hand, because of Hamas's decleared efforts to arm itself and use its weapon against ISR. Any sovriegn country would had done the exact same thing, if it had a hostile entity under its nose.

[kurtilein3]

@anigilat4

actually they do not have that right, the israeli government only claims that they have this right, but its a lie that noone buys. the blockade is a violation of human rights and a violation of the geneva conventions because it constitutes collective punishment. also, you may only search ships in international waters headed for your own country. the ships were headed for gaza, which is NOT israel, so attacking the ships is an international crime.

[orenfren]

Turkey = Iran = North Korea = kill them all

[dmin2006]

Israel can do whatever it wants. God said so.

[pirbird14]

@strassypo22

Manhatten is part of the US. The Gaza ports are not part of Israel. The Coast Guard cannot legally board ships in international waters. That is piracy.

[9999azlan]

Here not the truth !Arabs hide the truth!

[18bites]

Hi. I have not been given a list of suggestions on what I can write online re: this unfortunate incident but at first when I heard, I thought Israel had gone too far. But now that I've had a chance to see the 1 minute video released by the IDF, I am relieved that the soldiers acted in accordance with international law that permits murder when committed by the US or its strategic allies.

[compadrekg]

you are all idiots!

[Darrkinc]

throw the israelis back into the sea!!!

[Odinfriends]

ROFL yeah the first 21 sec of the "supposedly ""boarding of a ship by israeli's is truely real(NOT). Just another hoax by al jar zeera. How do you know that they are"peacefull civilians"? Ive seen footage that when an israeli soldier boarded the ship he was immidiatly attacked by an angry mob with stave,knives,chairs etc. But hey corporate media isn't interessed in showing the truth, just in ratings & they will ALWAYS de humanise israel. SO israel: hold you ground & kill these SOB's!

[kurtilein3]

@Odinfriends

just search wikipedia for List_of_participants_of_the_Ga­za_flotilla you SOB, which i think means Son of a Bitch. you need to know who you want israel to kill BEFORE proclaiming that israel should kill them.

also, this is how everyone should always deal with pirates, especially in international waters. piracy is a problem, and people need to resist when evil people with weapons want to come on board.

[Odinfriends]

@kurtilein3 LOL hahahahahahahaha you quote wikipedia to me LOL not a good source( every first year university student knows that!). & no SOB doesn't mean what you say( did you get that also from wikipedia? hahahaha) Just do some research BEFORE you post something. OH yeah, weapons.. PAINBALLGUNS.. yeah they are really dangerous(LOL)! BTW ANY ship CAN be boarded if there are:suspicions of: terrorism, illegal weapons import, & not complying with the navy's demands is always reason enough :)

[kurtilein3]

@Odinfriends

the soldiers had paintball guns attached to their assault rifles. the soldiers were armed with an assault rifle, stun grenades, tazers, paintball guns, and pistols. the israelis of course make sure that they mention the paintball guns as often as possible. but obviously the 9 people that were shot in cold blood are now dead, so the assault rifles were used, you cannot shoot people dead with paintball guns.

[kurtilein3]

@Odinfriends

also, israel had NO right to attack the ship, because the ship was not headed for israel. gaza is illegally occupied.

attacking ships in international waters if TWO THINGS are true: the ships need to be headed for YOUR country (not a different one) and they need to be a THREAT. so even if a ship is a threat, if its in international waters and not heading for your country, attacking it is piracy and an international crime. and gaza doesnt belong to israel.

[MAHRA24]

"I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. .... I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."--Ariel Sharon, in an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956

[delii83]

@MAHRA24 This is the state that America defends and the world does not intervene. This tells alot about the world leaders, including all muslims countries. We should not only blame Israël, we should blame the ones who let this all happen.

[metalorg]

Why would they bring children on a boat they plan to use to breach the Israeli blockade? Even if it's true they were planning to resist non-violently it's silly to bring your kids.

[kurtilein3]

@metalorg

on the boats there were many old people, children and women. why shouldnt you bring your children on a boat full of humanitarian aid and without any weapons? bringing your own children is quite a strong message, it shows that your intentions really are peaceful, and IF someone got on that boat only to make trouble then the amount of elderly, women and children would cause that person to reconsider. obviously it didnt work, the soldiers started shooting them anyway.

[greenwoodonearth]

@metalorg

My opinion to this:

Fake strategic moove: "Behaving as much as you can, to gain what you want."

Real (&massacre) strategic moove: "Foresee aggression of you opponent, and show the world you peacefullness."

The second moove inevitably decreases the search for bombs and similar threads (If israel reacts, but I would say inevitable to a certain degree) I mean what is worse for you to jump on a boat and kill woman and kids?

[metalorg]

@greenwoodonearth Putting children in certain harms way is not cool no matter how bad of a P.R. problem it will be for your aggressor.

[greenwoodonearth]

@metalorg

I didn't want to work that it would be cool. It would be prejudice to judge what the palestinians were intending to do. But of course there are many facts that underline either the one ore the other strategy I pointed out.

[kurtilein3]

@metalorg

i just heared that one of my favorite crime writers, Henning Mankell, was on board of the flotilla. i didnt read his books, but the movies based on his book tend to be very good. also two german members of parliament were on board. so the children were clearly not the only potential targets for israeli bullets that would cause terrible P.R. for israel. there also were many parlamentarians from other nations and diplomats and journalists on board, many prominent people.

[metalorg]

@kurtilein3 Members of Parliament, journalists and fiction writers are adult enough to choose to engage in dangerous political demonstrations where children aren't.

I agree with the message and means of the demonstration; the melee reaction of being boarded in international waters is understandable; it is commendable for high status people to take part-

My point was only that they should have left the children out of it.

[kurtilein3]

@metalorg

well, maybe thats how it will be from now on. so far, all the earlier attempts ended non-violently, now many have died and got injured, that changes the situation.

but 3 more flotillas are already in planning, one nobel peace price laureate will be on board, and one of them will have a much larger number of boats. the blockade is illegal, and it seems like people will continue to challenge it. now they also want to use boycott, divestment and sanctions against israel.

[metalorg]

@kurtilein3 I have been speaking in hindsight of course. I hope this P.R. blunder will convince Israel to treat the coming flotillas better.

[greenwoodonearth]

@greenwoodonearth

To prevent misunderstandings, I ment: "Behaving as brave as you can to get what you want"

[greenwoodonearth]

@greenwoodonearth

No, damn, I ment

"Behaving as permissive as you can to get what you want"

That's it -> Sorry I am german

[metalorg]

@greenwoodonearth Don't worry, that sentence was correct the first time.

[egyptiansareblack26]

israelis are the real terrorists, hitler should have finished them off

[hitchman84]

@egyptiansareblack26

That made sense. Now go kill yourself.

[Belle19700]

As usual, the Jews are doing what they have to do, to insure the safety of Israel. God only knows what kind of arms, or bombs are hidden on these ships, with little children present. hamas shielded themselves once, was it at a grammar school? I love Israel with all my heart. People, how would YOU like to live next to a bunch of muslims? Not me.

[hitchman84]

@Belle19700

" love Israel with all my heart." As well you should. But that doesn't mean that Israel has done no wrong. For too long Western governments, especially my own, have attempted to sweep Israel's atrocities under the rug in the name of mutual self interest. That must come to an end. Israel must decide if it is a Secular state or a Jewish state. In the end, one mutually excludes the other.

And I can appreciate Israel's position of being surrounded by hostile theocracies, but to that...

[hitchman84]

@Belle19700

... all I can say is that Israel isn't alone in this struggle. Lebanon, Kurdistan and even Iran are struggling to secure secular democracy over dark-age theocracy. Israel has a close ally in the USA that genuinely wishes to see a two state solution. But that solution is only remotely attainable if Israel does its part in drawing back Gaza expansion by Jewish radicals and firmly adhering to the secular values upon which it was founded.

[kurtilein3]

@hitchman84

i think iran is busy defending dark-age theocracy against democracy. and israel is struggling to defend apartheit and genocide against common sense and compassion. its a difficult struggle, and it requires violence to break the good people and turn them apathetic so that the bullshit can continue.

the USA is making a two-state solution impossible. they dont want it. their massive military support of israel is not bound to conditions.

[hitchman84]

@kurtilein3

What I was referring to about Iran is its Mousavi political movement. There are nations in the region other than Israel whose populace truly desire democracy and are actively fighting to achieve it.

And I beg to differ about the US's opposition to a two-state solution. The US would have every incentive to achieve this goal. At the very least it would be an important domestic political victory come the primaries. I agree it hasn't been a top priority of past administrations...

[kurtilein3]

@hitchman84

there are two nations that block resolutions about a two-state solution in the united nations. israel, and the united states. if the united states would have every reason to support it, why are they making a two-state solution impossible with their actions?

the US pays for israels military, and israel can do whatever it wants without risking this. as long as the US continues to back them in the UN and militarily, israel will NEVER accept peace, they prefer expansion.

[hitchman84]

@kurtilein3

... but times have changed. The mere suggestion of a two state solution by the current US president has yielded unanimous positive MidEast reactions.

As for an actual solution, as an obvious advocate, what would be YOUR feasible recommendations for solving this conflict and lawfully avenging these atrocities?

[kurtilein3]

@hitchman84

the president of the united states suggested it. but he doesnt put pressure on israel in order to turn it into a reality. the united states pays for israelis military, so the president could say if israel continues to make settlements and keep up the illegal blockade then the US wont pay anymore. then israel would have no other option than to act in accordance by international law, otherwise it would be isolated. right now israel has only 1 supporter, the USA.

[kurtilein3]

@Belle19700

the activists planned ahead, and just in case a complete ASSHOLE like you would make these STUPID accusations, they had all their boats searched from top to bottom by the greek government before they departed. so the greek government can say, independently and with credibility, that you are WRONG.

israel cannot let humanitarian aid through, because it interferes with their strategy. their strategy is to exterminate the palestinians and go for a one-state solution.

[BigMac014]

@kurtilein3 the greek governments in massive dept and can barely control their own people... how hard do you think it be to pay off a couple security guards. im an american and everyone i know supports isreals actions in this incident. they defended themselves and it was the right move.

[kurtilein3]

@BigMac014

you are pulling this out of your ass. you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

you are an american and everyone you know supports israel because your media never reports the truth about these issues, and because americans do not care about human rights. americans think that they themselves and their allies have the right to kill everyone anywhere for any reason.

[PRLIBRENOWMAGNUS]

@Belle19700 agree, israel can aford the risk of left get in gaza hiden weapons

[18bites]

@Belle19700

I definitely would not want to live next to you. I don't care how you identify yourself.

[delii83]

@Belle19700 First of all, it's not the Jews who are doing this, it's Zionism that's doing all of this. Second, only a person with village mentality talks like you do. You should know Islam and Judaism have a lot of simmilarities. Instead of making fun of other cultures and faiths you should learn from them and appreciate them. I personnaly would not like to live next to an ignorant village mentality idiot like you.

[adamfood]

@Belle19700 hey dumb bitch, Israel even search the ships didn't find bombs or guns, just knives people cook with. So Shut the Fuck Up.

[Miloch777]

@Belle19700 : TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF ISRAEL.... by violating, by brutal actions, by killing innocent Palestines...great... I salute you and your nation.

[rjbonacolta]

If every IDF member were shot tommrow I think the world would be a safer place for everyone.

[axkaiosi]

israel will burn in hell. God has promised that.

[ProcyonAlpha]

@qbe9584 @qbe9584 The Israeli solders went in with paintball guns and only reacted with force once they were attacked by a vicious mob and shot at by two guys using pistols. I'm really sorry, but the blood bath massacre by the Israelis that the media would like you to believe is not true. Also, who are we to tell Israel how to defend it's waters? People have been told time and time again that this is how they will react to such a threat but they persist, constantly baiting Israel.

[xy11xy]

Why did it have to come to this...indeed.

[Kargoneth]

Disgusting. Just like the USA killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[OlGreyWolf58]

@Kargoneth Basically what we did to the Native Americans

[Kargoneth]

@OlGreyWolf58

Unfortunately so. I cannot answer for the crimes of my ancestors. But I can try to make the current world a better place.

[sssssjjjj1]

they were in international waters. There needs to be hangings. When will you brainwashed zionist christians stop believing con men like hagee, time mag, newsweek, cnn, msnbc, fox ny times, all owned by the perps. They have usurped the u.s. government.

[Saukko31]

@sssssjjjj1 Owner of this channel is an atheist, I'm an atheist too. This video shows CNN footage, spare me with that conspiracy crap.

Israel's actions were despicable and criminal, and not to mention foolish, they gained nothing but condemnation from the world.

So the cycle of violence continues...

[ProcyonAlpha]

@qbe9584 Not a fair comparison. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and surrounded by nations that hate it and want to destroy it, they have to act with this force or they will appear weak.

[ProcyonAlpha]

Publicity stunt. Israel had no choice but to act.

[Darw1n1st]

@ProcyonAlpha Fucktard, you're condoning the killing of innocent civilian humanitarians. You're a low life. 

[oliesbw]

@ProcyonAlpha @ProcyonAlpha Rules of engagement.? This was not an armed war ship they attacked. it was full of civilians and they knew it. .

Israel had choices, they chose badly. Now more than ever their bulling tactics will become public. and condemnation will be at their door.

Terrorists go in blow people up and cause mayhem. seems to me that Israel has got away with the slow starvation of a nation ,genocide . for far too long.

[oliesbw]

@oliesbw cont..We all cry out over the few innocent lives lost today (and yes it is wrong very wrong) but who will stand up and shout for the countless victims Israel has murdered already.

[ProcyonAlpha]

@oliesbw You really think the rules of engagement apply in a place like that? Blow it yer arse mate. Did you not see the video of the Israeli soldiers absailing onto the ship? The people waiting for them were clearly not civilians of a humanitarian nature, clearly militant thugs hoping to get the very reaction out of the public as you have displayed, so congrats, you are a retard!

[oliesbw]

@ProcyonAlpha Rules of engagement should apply. these were not thugs. But people making a stand in a peaceful way in INTERNATIONAL waters. I think you will find that the people waiting on deck were ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. Israel committed an act of piracy.

Are you not able to form a reply without insults? I hope that you never have a car accident and become unable to perform the simple tasks in life that you enjoy. Nor suffer the insults of the uneducated.

[jensshanssen222]

who gives a shit??

All muslim countries are fucked up dictatorships. The jewish country is shit. All us socalled western democracies love to invade muslim countries to take their oil and kill 600.000 iraqies. The big buddhist country of thailand kills its people.

Your problem kurt is that you assume that people can do good things.

They cant. They can only be good to the people that look like them selves.

jews like jews and these muslim organisations only help gaza because of islam

[BillyCauseyjr]

@jensshanssen222 people are people, no matter how crazy. the day we stop caring is the day our species is doomed.

[kurtilein3]

@jensshanssen222

and do you know a reason why we shouldnt use the tactic of bocott, divestment and sanctions against these nations? after all, there are quite a lot of peaceful nations on that planet.

also, watch "Steven Pinker: A brief history of violence". its on youtube. it might completely transform the way you think about this. it might cause you to get angry at a lot of people that told you falsehoods in the past.

[oliesbw]

@jensshanssen222 If every person in the world that felt like you changed their minds then the world would improve. People can do good things.alone and in a groups. Sometimes it is the quietest voice that makes the biggest difference. Our differences are what makes us interesting and education stops the fear and lets face it. the violence perpetrated is due to 2 things. greed and fear. Greed of land money and power. fear of the unknown and the different.

[PaliAmro]

@jensshanssen222 you are talking out of your ass, you fuking idiot

[greenwoodonearth]

@jensshanssen222

I don't see it as negavite. Just picture this nice young palestinian woman that stands in a store giving out food to people for free and beeing really happy about it. I say this, because I also was very happy by helping people.

It is very natural (known in psychology) that through competition grow hatress and stereotypes. So, this might be the deal you talk about. But thats not new. I personally think that man are (meanwhile or still) unalbe to act for themselves.

[greenwoodonearth]

Very interesting problem. Thx Kurtilein. I always compare the problem around the gaza area to the frontiers we used to have here in germany. My conclusion about our german frontiers is, that we used to have more land before WW1. But we are in peace with our neighbours. There is no claim.

What happens, and it happens all around the world if there is a shift of frontiers. Who is right? Old frontiers against new frontiers. As long as there is no peace from both sides I would call this supression.

[kurtilein3]

@greenwoodonearth

the big problem is that the people in gaza are on a diet, they dont get as much nutrition as would be required to prevent weight-loss. and they have to continue living in dirt while on the brink of starvation, because no building materials are allowed in by the israelis. the blockade is intended to reduce the palestinian population, and as their population reduces the borders move in. it seems to be more about extermination than about the land.