Although this is an excellent, tense battle scene, it always makes me laugh when Kirk orders the Red Alert. Who are you trying to alert? There are only like four other people onboard, and they're all on the bridge already!
@mrtrek64...I agree. Lloyd was made for that Klingon commander costume. His voice and acting are PERFECT! A shame we only got 1 ST movie with him. Lloyd will ALWAYS BE "Doc Brown" though in most peoples minds.
Chris Llyod character of Kruge has to be the best Klingon ever portrayed on Star Trek. After that I would say Tony Todd as Worfs brother Kurn was the best.
It could be possible that star fleet has disabled the warheads in the torpedoes since the Ship was decommissioned. It would make a lot of sense you disarm the ship that you decommission. or the warhead in the torpedoes could be duds, and the bird of pray could have been knocked out of control just by the kinetic energy of the dud torpedoes. Each scenario makes a lot of sense. In any case a recently decommissioned ship would be deactivated and disarmed and Scotty should have known this.
@Crusnik2000 He very likely did know that, but wasn't expecting a fight. The mission they're on, putting friendship aside, is literally a milk run. Grab a body, go to Vulcan. There's no need for a fight to achieve that.
@ shadowIf you read the books Kirk was "training Sulu" Therefore he was asking for his opinion. Unlike Pickard who would ask for opinion righ tin the middle of getting atacked. Look at how he "asks" Sulu and how he gives Sulu the right answer.
For a good laugh try " The Star Trek Bible " parody thesis, read by scholar Robert M. Price on ' The Bible Geek ', 18th September. Are some Bible verses actually reporting sightings of UFO ? Did humans travel here from another galaxy ? Was Jesus a spaceman ? Was the sighting of Jesus going up in the sky [Acts 1v9] actually him being teleported ? Or just dreamed up ? Were the living dead people seen in Jerusalem [Matt 27v53] actually imperial guards beamed down to save Jesus? Or just fiction ?
You see, this is all the longer a space battle needs to be. I don't need to be overwhelmed with ten minutes of shaky cams packed to the rim with pretty special effects.
Gotta give Kruge some props; goes against the likes of Captain James T. Kirk and has the balls to call his bluff, something not even V'Ger was willing to do.
Kruge was nearly a perfect Klingon - better than any of the others in any of the other Star Treks (yes, Worf comes in a distant second - this is just my opinion). Kruge is ruthless, intelligent, rules with an iron fist, quick to rage, and lives for both battle and his mission. His only flaw was that his willpower to risk most of his crew was overshadowed by Captain Kirk's willpower to sacrifice the Enterprise (thus, as McCoy puts it, "turning death into a fighting chance for life").
@chickensandwich77 All what you say is true, but I have to desagree in one point: his will blinds his strategy thinking. That's why he send almost all his crewmen to the doomed Enterprise. Therefore, Kruge is not that inteligent, but IS all the rest you mentioned...
This part reminds me of when I was heartbroken when my dearly beloved high school sweetheart passed away. When the enterprise was zapped of it's entire power till it was dead in space that's how I felt emotionally. When she passed, my heart (3:18 to 3:36) did the similar thing till I just died on the inside. Totally devastated. How my girlfriend put it, I was her Captain Kirk and she was my enterprise. Anyway (new subject) aside from that... Star Trek parts 2, 3 and 6 were the best ones.
Mr. Scott probably had the Automated Control system cross circuited and re-wired all over the ship; the system couldn't handle all of the demands put on it, especially in a combat situation. Mr. Scott does mention that he hadn't expected to take the Enterprise into combat.
Also, as mentioned below the Enterprise was a battered, hammered ship from Khan's attacks and her decommissioning.
@cleekmaker00 so Adm. Kirk makes a very bad decision to steel a crippled ship for nostalgic reasons. This results in the eventual destruction of Starfleet property.Let's face it, Kirk sucked as an Admiral but rocked as a Capt. Had the ship been combat capable,then he probably could've prevented the death of his own son by destroying the bird of prey proper.Shields down against Khan and Enterprise says fu2 Kirk, I won't raise the shields because of the unnecessary damage you did 2me in STII
@shaithis80 Of course Kirk wasn't a very good flag officer; he was like a fish out of water. Spock himself told Kirk, "It was a mistake for you to accept promotion; commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material."
Kirk was an opportunist, as Gen. Chang said. He took the best ship available at the time; although she was Starfleet property, the Enterprise was to be decommissioned and put into mothballs, therefore her loss would not have impacted the Fleet.
@rorypayton Actually, at least on my DVD, if you turn up the sound, I think the alarm is there, it's just overpowered by the music. I could hear it if I listened closely, but admittedly I do have a big sound system.
@rorypayton Not really, given how Scotty had to redirect ship control systems and functions, AND then there's also the heavy damage done by Khan that probably knocked out the alarm sound systems, too.
For the vid: I love this scene so much; one of the best scenes in all of the Star Trek movies. Perfect build up to the attack, grand acting and music. Just... wow!
i was about to mention the music as the reason why the director chose not to have the red alert sound going during this scene. The music helps give the scene the feel of a chess match between the two capitans and they probably decided that the red alert noise would take away from that.
@kuunami Ah, that's an excellent observation. Hey, I betcha it's right on target with how Nimoy and Roddenberry planned it out. It really does look like a good chess theme-like thing for this. :)
@markr1996 You don't scan unless you absolutely have to when you're under cloak. Especially if you're about to shoot something. Scanning gives you away.
@MrHoppers002 The ship was automated by Mr. Scott to make it flyable with a sub-skeleton crew. With the idea that only basic functions like propulsion and warp were needed for their mission. Once they went into combat, it overloaded the system.
@MrHoppers002 everything was routed through the main computers so when that was damged the enterprise was useless. Scotty wasnt expecting a combat situation and he didnt have time to automate everything.
@supermanfan62 Klingon honor maybe? Grissom was a class of starship that was weak even for a B'rel class, but the Enterprise is a much more formidable opponent. Perhaps he felt he would meet it face to face in battle and determine who is superior.
@Megatron65 They are never quite sure how powerful to make torpedoes. In some contexts, just one torpedo should completely destroy an unshielded ship 5 times the size of the bird of prey, but in this context, two torpedoes inflict rather superficial damage. It's just like the hand phasers. Sometimes one can obliterate an entire building, hundreds of people, or be used to evaporate huge stone walls, but at other times a phaser is only slightly more effective than a contemporary rifle.
@Megatron65 I think that the bird of prey had shields on after decloaking, and the torpedoes blew through them and caused minimal actual damage to the ship. if the bird of prey did NOT have shields on, then those are some weak as hell torpedoes fired by the Enterprise. In either case, we all know the REAL answer as to why the bird of prey wasn't crippled or destroyed; it was not a convenient plot device ;P
@Megatron65 Kruge already had one in the tube before he decloaked. His bird of prey was crippled that's why he was expecting death, but was surprised Kirk wanted to talk.
@Megatron65 The first hit looked to me it struck home and the second hit looks like they got the shields up in time since as we know, a cloaked ship has no shields or weapons available until it uncloaks. If you watch the scene carefully, you'll see what I mean.
@chrismc410 in generations it took one torpedo from the Enterprise D to destroy a Klingon BOP. The one torpedo should've been enough like in Star Trek 2009 when Kirk used one torpedo to destory each Klingon ship in the similation. One too many inconsistencies but after all it sci-f.
Although this is an excellent, tense battle scene, it always makes me laugh when Kirk orders the Red Alert. Who are you trying to alert? There are only like four other people onboard, and they're all on the bridge already!
jacktaylor1983 8 hours ago
Funny they never said a thing about Khan in this movie.
Pimsleurable 1 week ago
They don't make ship battles like this any more, I wish James Horner would do another Trek movie.
e1000oak 1 week ago
Christopher Lloyd played one of the best Klingons I've seen.
eternalwolf777 2 weeks ago
@mrtrek64...I agree. Lloyd was made for that Klingon commander costume. His voice and acting are PERFECT! A shame we only got 1 ST movie with him. Lloyd will ALWAYS BE "Doc Brown" though in most peoples minds.
Boogyman4050 2 weeks ago 2
88 Miles Per Hour !
JillAnderson 2 weeks ago
they killed ballzak
cambellfan22 3 weeks ago
kirk was the best captain there was and ever will be.
darkhorse432 4 weeks ago
Chris Llyod character of Kruge has to be the best Klingon ever portrayed on Star Trek. After that I would say Tony Todd as Worfs brother Kurn was the best.
mrtrek64 4 weeks ago 6
I always thought Lloyd was excellent in this.
MrDdeokbokki 4 weeks ago 6
wait..Kruge was played by Christopher Lloyd?!
TheChoujinVirus 1 month ago 3
@TheChoujinVirus Makes a good Klingon, doesn't he?
RealH0rr0rsh0w 1 month ago
@TheChoujinVirus I almost had the same reaction... i mean geez... this guy can play anything he want !
HUDJ0679790 3 weeks ago
It could be possible that star fleet has disabled the warheads in the torpedoes since the Ship was decommissioned. It would make a lot of sense you disarm the ship that you decommission. or the warhead in the torpedoes could be duds, and the bird of pray could have been knocked out of control just by the kinetic energy of the dud torpedoes. Each scenario makes a lot of sense. In any case a recently decommissioned ship would be deactivated and disarmed and Scotty should have known this.
Crusnik2000 1 month ago
@Crusnik2000 He very likely did know that, but wasn't expecting a fight. The mission they're on, putting friendship aside, is literally a milk run. Grab a body, go to Vulcan. There's no need for a fight to achieve that.
OpenMawProductions 3 weeks ago
GENESIS?!
MARKALANPALMER 1 month ago 2
Thumbs up if the Nastolgia Critic brought you here.
theknightswhosayfrak 1 month ago 4
88 MILES PER HOUR!!!
elcap22 1 month ago 2
Everytime I see this sceene i get serious Wood!!!
mark96701 1 month ago
@ shadowIf you read the books Kirk was "training Sulu" Therefore he was asking for his opinion. Unlike Pickard who would ask for opinion righ tin the middle of getting atacked. Look at how he "asks" Sulu and how he gives Sulu the right answer.
mark96701 1 month ago
First, Star Trek was to cool for it time!
snowjohn751975 1 month ago
Loved this part of the movie when I was a kid, also Stealing The Enterprise too! This movie had a great soundtrack to it.
ltquattrobajeena 1 month ago 3
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Christopher Loyd's BoP will eventually be used to travel back in time! "Now Kirk, when this baby hits warp 8.8, you're gonna see some serious shit!"
armysupertroop 2 months ago
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For a good laugh try " The Star Trek Bible " parody thesis, read by scholar Robert M. Price on ' The Bible Geek ', 18th September. Are some Bible verses actually reporting sightings of UFO ? Did humans travel here from another galaxy ? Was Jesus a spaceman ? Was the sighting of Jesus going up in the sky [Acts 1v9] actually him being teleported ? Or just dreamed up ? Were the living dead people seen in Jerusalem [Matt 27v53] actually imperial guards beamed down to save Jesus? Or just fiction ?
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Red Alert, Mr. Scott! *light switching to red* 1:54 - i came.
HunkeyPunk 2 months ago
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HunkeyPunk 2 months ago
And who wouldn't thought the Bird of Prey beat The Enterprise! Bird Of Prey best starship in the star trek galaxy.
IBBangin82 2 months ago
Kruge best klingon character in the star trek movies!
IBBangin82 2 months ago
Cristopher Lloyd did a great jog as the klingon commander
AdisloKazdan 2 months ago 5
GENESIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LALutuber21 2 months ago
That's what they get for running the Enterprise on Windows.
2771 2 months ago
@2771 kirk: i KNEW we shouldn't have upgraded to Vista!
LALutuber21 2 months ago
2:25 : Yeah, Kirk and the Enterprise outdrew them!
roninredshade 2 months ago
You see, this is all the longer a space battle needs to be. I don't need to be overwhelmed with ten minutes of shaky cams packed to the rim with pretty special effects.
Gragthor 3 months ago
C. Lloyd may be the bets Klingon actor ever.
Keoni3535 3 months ago
@Keoni3535. My grandmother knew Christopher Lloyd before he got famous. She used to be his dad's secretary!
Fymious 3 months ago
It seems as though - for whatever reason - in Trek III the photo torpedoes all had bizarre EMP effects rather than physical destructive effects.
Sunburn2007 3 months ago
Gotta give Kruge some props; goes against the likes of Captain James T. Kirk and has the balls to call his bluff, something not even V'Ger was willing to do.
MerelyAFan 3 months ago 18
Surprised Enterprise didn't detect any of Grissom's debri when scanning the area.
georgeowain 3 months ago
@georgeowain it was located on the opposite side of the planet
priyonjoni 3 months ago
Kruge was nearly a perfect Klingon - better than any of the others in any of the other Star Treks (yes, Worf comes in a distant second - this is just my opinion). Kruge is ruthless, intelligent, rules with an iron fist, quick to rage, and lives for both battle and his mission. His only flaw was that his willpower to risk most of his crew was overshadowed by Captain Kirk's willpower to sacrifice the Enterprise (thus, as McCoy puts it, "turning death into a fighting chance for life").
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@chickensandwich77 All what you say is true, but I have to desagree in one point: his will blinds his strategy thinking. That's why he send almost all his crewmen to the doomed Enterprise. Therefore, Kruge is not that inteligent, but IS all the rest you mentioned...
FoxMcCloud12000 3 months ago
Torpedoes are weird due to the "fog of war"..what should happen doesn't ..and shit happens..
Lomax9 4 months ago
I love the look on their faces at the beginning
GraceSpringHill 4 months ago
This part reminds me of when I was heartbroken when my dearly beloved high school sweetheart passed away. When the enterprise was zapped of it's entire power till it was dead in space that's how I felt emotionally. When she passed, my heart (3:18 to 3:36) did the similar thing till I just died on the inside. Totally devastated. How my girlfriend put it, I was her Captain Kirk and she was my enterprise. Anyway (new subject) aside from that... Star Trek parts 2, 3 and 6 were the best ones.
TonyShow82 4 months ago
So doc got bored with the 1980's and decided to travel to the 23rd century and joined the klingon empire!
Pugslee3 5 months ago
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Current range from Enterprise: 1.21 KELAKAMS!
VulcanZechov 5 months ago
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VulcanZechov 5 months ago
Mr. Scott probably had the Automated Control system cross circuited and re-wired all over the ship; the system couldn't handle all of the demands put on it, especially in a combat situation. Mr. Scott does mention that he hadn't expected to take the Enterprise into combat.
Also, as mentioned below the Enterprise was a battered, hammered ship from Khan's attacks and her decommissioning.
cleekmaker00 5 months ago 11
@cleekmaker00 so Adm. Kirk makes a very bad decision to steel a crippled ship for nostalgic reasons. This results in the eventual destruction of Starfleet property.Let's face it, Kirk sucked as an Admiral but rocked as a Capt. Had the ship been combat capable,then he probably could've prevented the death of his own son by destroying the bird of prey proper.Shields down against Khan and Enterprise says fu2 Kirk, I won't raise the shields because of the unnecessary damage you did 2me in STII
shaithis80 3 months ago
@shaithis80 Of course Kirk wasn't a very good flag officer; he was like a fish out of water. Spock himself told Kirk, "It was a mistake for you to accept promotion; commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material."
Kirk was an opportunist, as Gen. Chang said. He took the best ship available at the time; although she was Starfleet property, the Enterprise was to be decommissioned and put into mothballs, therefore her loss would not have impacted the Fleet.
cleekmaker00 3 months ago
@cleekmaker00 I see. Good point.
shaithis80 3 months ago
@rorypayton Actually, at least on my DVD, if you turn up the sound, I think the alarm is there, it's just overpowered by the music. I could hear it if I listened closely, but admittedly I do have a big sound system.
mhansen0207 5 months ago
the music gives quite an epic atmosphere. This is how movies should be made.
rumi82 5 months ago
My grandmother knew Christopher Lloyd! She used to work for his dad who was a lawyer!
Fymious 5 months ago 2
Hmm I prefer the way they speak Klingon in this film. Comes out more natural.
TheTrueObelus 5 months ago
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kuunami 5 months ago
Gunner, target flux capacitor only!
mbdelorenzo 5 months ago
@rorypayton Not really, given how Scotty had to redirect ship control systems and functions, AND then there's also the heavy damage done by Khan that probably knocked out the alarm sound systems, too.
For the vid: I love this scene so much; one of the best scenes in all of the Star Trek movies. Perfect build up to the attack, grand acting and music. Just... wow!
katarn276 5 months ago 2
@katarn276
i was about to mention the music as the reason why the director chose not to have the red alert sound going during this scene. The music helps give the scene the feel of a chess match between the two capitans and they probably decided that the red alert noise would take away from that.
kuunami 5 months ago
@kuunami Ah, that's an excellent observation. Hey, I betcha it's right on target with how Nimoy and Roddenberry planned it out. It really does look like a good chess theme-like thing for this. :)
katarn276 5 months ago
Shields not responding captain, dramatic pause.....waste time talking to Scotty, dramatic pause....NOOOOOOO, just shoot them again NOW!
spot261 5 months ago
@spot261 I very much doubt the torpedo system would have responded either, or that it had reloaded in the short time that had passed. :)
DukeNukemTheSeries 5 months ago
this is just turning of luck ive been waiting for
TheDEATHSTARIII 5 months ago
I recently bought a Delorian and installed a flux capacitor and took it to 2285 and learned one of doc browns decendents is a klingon ships captain
KingDT2007 6 months ago 2
what tense scene
Shazam961 6 months ago
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shareschannel 6 months ago
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shareschannel 6 months ago
2:52 klingon dog/pig totally fried lol
shareschannel 6 months ago
love the way the klingon dog/pig gets fried at 2:44 and keels over due to the 2 torpedo blasts!
shareschannel 6 months ago 2
they go to red alert at 1:55 to inform checkov as hes on the crapper (note he's not in his seat in that scene)
shareschannel 6 months ago
How come they go to Red Alert when the entire crew is sitting in the same area?
peterp21 6 months ago
I could see Pickard in this situation. He would say "suggestions?"
mark96701 6 months ago
@mark96701 Well, Kirk did the same thing. He said "Opinion?" to Sulu.
ShadowSonic2 1 month ago
i thought i recognised him
NickoRules17 6 months ago
Ah okay. I see now. thanks a lot TCNTalon
markr1996 7 months ago
today is good day to die
supermanfan62 7 months ago
but why didn't the klingons scan to see if the emeny has armed its weapons. The klingons looked stupid in this scene
markr1996 7 months ago
@markr1996 You don't scan unless you absolutely have to when you're under cloak. Especially if you're about to shoot something. Scanning gives you away.
TCNTalon 7 months ago
Plus, it took how many torpedoes - from Enterprise AND Excelsior! - to destroy Chang's Bird-of-Prey?
WarmasterJoshmaul 7 months ago
is that John Larroquette thats quoting Kellicams?
Metallicru01 7 months ago
@Metallicru01 Yes.
KingCrimson1982 7 months ago
@Metallicru01 yep
jacenskylo 7 months ago
@Metallicru01 Yes, he played Maltz in this film.
Cap285 3 months ago
the one thing i didn't get was why the shields didn't raise or why didn't kirk follow up with more torpedoes. :)
MrHoppers002 7 months ago
@MrHoppers002 "The automation system's overloaded. I didna expect to take us into combat, you know"
Truth87 7 months ago
that explains the shields but the moment the shields didn't raise fire the torpedoes. :)
MrHoppers002 7 months ago
@Truth87 , stop whining Scotty, and get them shields up!
Larrsify 6 months ago
@MrHoppers002 The ship was automated by Mr. Scott to make it flyable with a sub-skeleton crew. With the idea that only basic functions like propulsion and warp were needed for their mission. Once they went into combat, it overloaded the system.
peterp21 6 months ago
sure the shields but couldn't they fire more torpedoes?
MrHoppers002 6 months ago
@MrHoppers002 everything was routed through the main computers so when that was damged the enterprise was useless. Scotty wasnt expecting a combat situation and he didnt have time to automate everything.
22centman36 6 months ago
This was the perfect role for Christopher Lloyd.
MASSEFFECTfan101 7 months ago
Well thts a good question
gofer201 8 months ago
why didnt they fire from behind like the grissom
supermanfan62 8 months ago
@supermanfan62 Klingon honor maybe? Grissom was a class of starship that was weak even for a B'rel class, but the Enterprise is a much more formidable opponent. Perhaps he felt he would meet it face to face in battle and determine who is superior.
stringerboi 7 months ago
The torpedoes were weird in this! The 2 hits on the bird should have crippled it
Megatron65 8 months ago 18
@Megatron65 Unfortunately the basic fact that Kirk and co never screw up was forgotten...
all13Doctors 6 months ago
@Megatron65 They are never quite sure how powerful to make torpedoes. In some contexts, just one torpedo should completely destroy an unshielded ship 5 times the size of the bird of prey, but in this context, two torpedoes inflict rather superficial damage. It's just like the hand phasers. Sometimes one can obliterate an entire building, hundreds of people, or be used to evaporate huge stone walls, but at other times a phaser is only slightly more effective than a contemporary rifle.
erentheca 4 months ago
@Megatron65 crippled? their shields were down, it should've been destroyed especially considering it's only a scout class vessel.
Doppleganger1983 4 months ago
@Megatron65 I think that the bird of prey had shields on after decloaking, and the torpedoes blew through them and caused minimal actual damage to the ship. if the bird of prey did NOT have shields on, then those are some weak as hell torpedoes fired by the Enterprise. In either case, we all know the REAL answer as to why the bird of prey wasn't crippled or destroyed; it was not a convenient plot device ;P
Badhyungah 3 months ago
@Megatron65 Kruge already had one in the tube before he decloaked. His bird of prey was crippled that's why he was expecting death, but was surprised Kirk wanted to talk.
dixievfd55 3 months ago
@dixievfd55 And Kruge got mad because Kirk Killed his Targ.
FlowrellikTS 3 months ago
@Megatron65 The first hit looked to me it struck home and the second hit looks like they got the shields up in time since as we know, a cloaked ship has no shields or weapons available until it uncloaks. If you watch the scene carefully, you'll see what I mean.
chrismc410 3 months ago
@chrismc410 in generations it took one torpedo from the Enterprise D to destroy a Klingon BOP. The one torpedo should've been enough like in Star Trek 2009 when Kirk used one torpedo to destory each Klingon ship in the similation. One too many inconsistencies but after all it sci-f.
shaithis80 2 months ago
1.21 GIGGAWATS!!!!
AgentSmith217 8 months ago 40
@AgentSmith217 When this baby hits 88 miles per hour you're going to see some serious shit!
Pugslee3 5 months ago
@AgentSmith217 pure win
jros83 3 months ago
I love this scene where the music and the scene bulids this tension up knowing that one will be worse than the other
Shazam961 9 months ago