First off, Wikipedia is not %100 accurate. If you knew better, just about anyone can edit and contribute. CollegeHumor made a pretty good, humorous video on how useful Wiki is.. Of course an animal that is adapted very well to it's environment or has a helpful design isn't going to change. I think to even argue evolution, he needs to actually understand how evolution even works.
To my knowledge, you still can't cite wiki in college reasearch papers. I should know, I write so many, unlike Geerup who probably couldn't write a three paragraph movie review.
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One morer thing, there are tons of evidence out there for the divine, i could direct you for ancient manuscripts but the Bible or God needs not defending for He is available in 2009 BC to anyone searching for the Father in Heaven, to those who willingly reject His love, well, He lets them go, we have free will after all, He isn't seeking robots, nor religious freaks, He sekks that we love Him and have a personal relationship with Him, He's more about family than religion.Best to you and yours.
Manuscripts are not evidence of god. Anyone living before Christ with access to the proper writing materials (be it stone, papyrus, etc) could write anything they chose to, just as we can write anything we wish now.
I can certainly appreciate that you find what you see as god's love to be an important and integral part of your existence, it's just that I don't see a reason to believe it. I would hope that you don't interpret that as some kind of attack on YOUR belief, because it isn't.
No no, i think our conversation is rather interesting actually! : )On the contrary, not only the manuscripts are authentic but moreover, they do not contradict each other or even the writings that we have today. I respect your right to unbelief but i see it more as a free will choice than a knowledgeable one. There is also supernatural design in the Scriptures that is evidence that men were used to write the Bible but the message itself is from outside time and space, no possib. of contrivances
You should actually read the Bible, instead of using it as a doorstop or paperweight. The Bible contradicts itself all over the place, and we can start with the Easter morning story. The gospels disagree on the details. Either "God" is a crap editor, or they were just making stuff up.
Here is a book that is a series of letters that are written by different men for different groups, As you may think that they dissagree there is a certain amount of knowledge say the corinthians have than thoes in Jeruselem. We must remember that the tradition existed first and the Book second. Together they make more sence in a spiritual context, as for scolastic interp. this is an impossible task for uderstanding creation in its fullness is impossible not enough matter in our heads
We do? That is why we flipped a coin at Cern because we have better understanding of reality. Sometimes our imagination is greater than the size of matter in our heads. The Bible is just part of a comprehensive understanding of the Human condition and it offers remedy. With ought practice we will never understand it. Just like Science conclusions with ought experiment are just theories. read the dic. under real.
You might not have any problems with your neighbors now and probably never will but if you look closely at what happened at Columbine high and what those kids believed, what some serial killers think is quite the same, kids are taught in school that we are animals and behave as such. If they have no other future than live now and the worms later then have a blast while ya last...so depressing ,..people confuse also their rights with their responsibilities these days, free speech has not evolved
It's contradictory to say I "probably never will" while implying that it is the natural outcome of godlessness.
I understand what you are trying to say, but reality simply disagrees with the idea that atheism or "the wrong faith" causes people to turn into psycho killers or go off on weird eugenics crusades.
If anything, it is the other way around. Prisoners in the US, for example, have a much greater proportional chance of being Christian than Atheist. As do serial killers.
Not that I am saying that religion causes people to commit murder or other crimes; what this means is that if we are going to try and analyse a correlation between religiosity and crime, then we should probably take that correlation from the actual data that exists and not just make claims that contradict reality.
Love is the answer though, without love, we would be nothing, what i have a problem with when it comes to materialism is not really your moral values, they can actually be superior than mine but relativism does not reassure me of your neighbor's moral values, if that other guy decides you're a default of natural selection, you're toast whether ur Christian or atheist. God's law isn't relative but absolute and that bothers the modern secular mind because of its exclusivity
"God's law is absolute" requires that god exists, which is an unknown. "God's laws" are woefully incomplete in terms of the moral positions they specify, and simply not sophisticated enough to deal with complex problems. If what you call "God's laws" are what you think they are then he has done a very shoddy job.
I cannot recall any occasion on which a neighbour has tried to eliminate me based on some relativistic moral decision or a bizarre interpretation of natural selection.
Assumptions from our finite minds and i deliberately include myself there mate because i thought for years that God's laws were included as a list of do's and don'ts but the law was introduced to mankind as a schoolmaster, teaching us that we could never achieve such higher standards of perfection but rather, that we would need the Source of perfection working from within to achieve it in us ultimately. In other words, i am thankful for God's Grace and that Jesus fulfilled the law and not me.
God isn't losing anything except you and people like you who can only see that your belief system is questioned by people like me who were once in your shoes and now believe the truth because the light has shifted. You hate being questionned on your belief suystem because it is convenient to believe there is no God, if He does not exist, u can pretty much do what thou wilst, right?
If he did exist, according to your belief system, thou couldst pretty much do as thou willed.
The only real difference is that I actually have morals whereas you claim that the only reason you don't eat babies is because you don't want to be punished.
Well, maybe not in those exact terms, but you get the idea.
Assumption on ur part mate, i obey Him out of love for what He did for me, not because i fear that He can fry me up at any moment...i am not claiming to be morally superior to anyone, i am what you would call a sinner saved by the grace of God so just forgiven as the old saying...and He does exist and it is not because of a belief system that i might have, it is just fact of history that is worth digging...eternity in freedom obliges : )
Whether it is fear or love, one would imagine that the fact that people can get on with perfectly good and moral lives without experiencing either precludes any notion of moral superiority anyway.
millions and billions of years don't exist, just in the heads of those who taught you this shit and believed it so hard that it became the lie that a majority believed. Like Hitler said, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Materialism is a stupid nightmare and i sure hope people will wake up, there is a God and He's coming back to prove Himself
I think you'll find that was Josef Goebbels, and what he actually said was "if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".
Even if this were invariably true, which it isn't, it would not necessarily apply to everything you wish to deny.
Now stop fapping all over my comments page before you get yourself blocked. Constructive, evidence-led comments YES. Banal and juvenile expressions of incredulity NO.
not wanting God to exist, the industry would lose so much money and their workers would lose their jobs that are based on nothing less than lies, a house of cards, that is why there are agitators that really get angry at christians who stand firm, the religion of Eugenics that kill people who believe in life have paid them well to harass the christians who love Jesus too much... but hey don't tell guys like this dude here that scientists can lie too, ya know that scientists always say the truth
Real scienc is questionable by peers and when evolution is put in question, you become ostracised by your peers, evolution is simply a THEORY, not SCIENCE, evolution did not happen, it is merely a figment of delusioned people's imagination, seducing idea but false nonetheless when criticly looked at with the facts of the field, go under the ocean and you will see 5000-6000 years of sedimentation only because...
Healthy debate? uh ok,if i agree with you i'm ok right? If Truth presented Himself in person would you recognize Him? Or does truth revolve around your own little world???
Healthy debate involves you presenting your arguments backed up with evidence. I do the same. We then discuss the issues each of us has with the other's evidence and examine what we find from that.
Pretending it is some kind of hegemonic skull-bashing is just a bare-faced lie.
I guess it is just a matter of being able to question what you think you know as being the truth, for instance, i use to go to our schools, colleges and universities and thought it was funny that my teachers believed that we evolved from monkeys and by random mutations, evolved from chemical reactions that are contrary to life, that nothing exploded and created everything that chaos could result in organized information, then i saw thehuge pharmaceutical industry was funded by companies
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Ida? Oh man you have to be kidding me. First of all Ida is properly called Darwinius Masillae. Second it's a LEMUR skeleton, nothing more. Some people are so gullible. Ida is not a missing link. Evolution will never be proven, because it never happened.
While I can appreciate some of your points (even though I believe his comedic style still had truth in it,) I think its stupid to say that he was acting like a fool just because he made some jokes and found humor. There are MANY, MANY, atheist videos and evolutionist videos that make humor/jokes out of Religion/Christianity in order to further their theory. So that argument is simply not valid.
While I appreciate your comment I think you over-simplify. Geerup has a long history of using a very caustic and deliberately disparaging form of "humour" in order to mock and belittle those he is arguing against. While I of course would not approve of the same behaviour from atheists (or anyone really), this does not excuse him doing it. I am hardly likely to address anyone else for such behaviour in a response to Geerup.
Both VenomFangX and ChristianVoice08 are a bunch of cowards. They only discuss things on their own channel and quickly block anyone that gives them a hard time.
Geerup is an embarrasment to Christians. -- As a Christian Theistic Evolutionist, I say he does more harm to Christianity than good. He is a nut-case and incredibly stupid.
Exactly... I am not a Christian, but it's not hard for me to imagine how utterly mortifying it must be for the non-lunatics of faith who are unfortunate enough to witness his ranting. I mean, if you wanted to represent Christians in the worst possible way you couldn't really do much better than Geerup. I wonder how many Christians there are who would like to tell him what they think but get censored.
"I say he does more harm to Christianity than good"
When I suggested this on one of his VenomFangX vids (Dead Lizards Don't Prove, I believe it was) he, of course, blocked me.
But, kris01987, when Xianity withers, dries up, dies and blows away it will be on the hands of those Xians that knew better, but said nothing.
I am sincere when I say I'm not trying to "pick a fight" with you, kris; but the job of squelching the nonsense of those like Geerup & Hovind falls squarely on your shoulders
and the shoulders of other reasonable, thinking Xians.
It is all too easy to respond to the critiques presented by an atheist like myself with, "You are a liar. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth... "
There are MANY Xians accepting and understanding of evolutionary theory, and it will take YOU to stop the Geerups.
As long as they can present the debate as "good v evil" we all lose.
I agree. I know that Christians (like me) who accept science will not ever penetrate Geerup. Geerup and VFX would oly resort to calling me a heretic and a "compromiser." BUT at the very least, we can call them out on their BS and, hopefully, repair and prevent any potential damage they inflict on the impresionable.
sorry not getting it, i think science is a mislead. Christianity has its points. ghosts, miracles, and answered prayer ill believe evolution when pigs grow wing. No offense but i dont like to fear death nor deny afterlife.
.....yourdaily omg please quit pretending to understand evolution....its annoying. If you honestly believe evolution says we came from monkeys you dont understand it. Do you understand the difference between ape and monkey? Humans are of the Ape group, but did not come from chimpanzees. Thats like saying you and your cousins came from that cousin. You both came from a the same grandparents but not each other. Same applies to us and all living things today. We share a common ancestor.
have you ever heard of sarcasm? and yes i know it says we came from apes and no they're not my fucking cousins thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard stupid scientist. Ya and a bird is niece just with wings thats all. Were seperate from apes bub
No you dont seem to understand the difference between coming from apes and coming from monkeys. Humans did not "come" from anything that exists today, that is a common misconception. We came from different organisms that SPLIT over and over into new types making everything in a sense distant cousins. How else can you explain all the genetic evidence? Such as REMS retrovirus's the nested heirarchy of life most importantly?
well you know i believe that "god" created everything a little different but operate almost the same. There are different philosophies science and christ itself have both shown for instance christ is in the year 0 with christ being stated in history thier wouldnt be a bc nor ad. but science has proven alot of things but what if god knew that we would evolve and did that. But then how did the first rainfall happen? Bible explains it. But ill stay a believer i respect some atheist but star lost it
it seems your pleading gods existance. Applying god of the gaps. Saying that anything we dont currently understand must have been god. have you ever heard of "occams razor?" Its the idea that we should try to remove as many assumptions from our answers as possible. Sure a magic unicorn may have left the dirt on my mat but the idea that I did it myself with my shoes takes much less assumptions.
The modern calendar was invented in the 6th century by a monk, and wasn't popularly adopted until the 9th century. The calendar also said the world would end in 500 AD.
I'd also like to point out that Christ is not mentioned outside the Bible in any historical texts.
I used to talk daily to shawn, he would acknowledge my questions and we would have spirited debates. Geerup ignores my ever question, probably because he does not properly understand them, and has no answer to them. At least shawn didn't cower in the face of query.
What gets me is those that are religous are so quick to praise god, and discredit evolution, yet they believe all current humans are derived from two human beings. If we are all descendants of adam and eve, (eve being adams second wife) adam and eve on some level were initially created with the capabilites to get cancer, aids, any illness psychological or physiological. They may not have had them, but as thier ancestors, the fact we get them means adam and eve were a flawed creation.
Thanks for doing what I could neither calm down engough nor summon the energy to do. Geerup has a talent for making videos professing his ignorance that so exasparate any intelligent viewer as to render them speechless - well most of them anyway. Good for you
Ahhhhh, right - I see where you're coming from. It's not really so much begging the question as accepting the premises. IF you accept that evolution works as we think it does, then by necessity all forms have to be transitional (either between earlier and later forms, or between earlier forms and being extinct). Obviously if you don't accept evolution under the specified conditions then it would be a bit of a weird and spurious claim.
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Evolution is not proven. Yet I have teachers in my college posting questions like this...
Is evolution true?
a. True
b. True
How about fossils just prove ani9mals die and our imaginations fill in the rest. I don;t believe in your religion. I believe in ONE God and his intelligent design.
Have you ever seen a species evolve? Name one species we have studied that has transitioned.
You are describing a problem with your teachers there, not with evolution.
Evolution is abundantly evidenced. Your personal ignorance of the evidence is not a rebuttal of it.
Evolution is not a religion. Furthermore, naming it as such is a risible strategy roughly equivalent to stating "religion holds the weaker position".
Now have you seriously never heard even ONE example of an observed speciation event? There are so many to choose from that it will be difficult to decide which to go with.
Right, so what you are saying is that when you ask "where is the evidence?" and someone then points to the evidence and says "right there", your response is to say "where?"
And that's somehow not your problem, but "a circular argument".
I'm glad guys like you are here to watch and deconstruct Geerup's videos. I no longer have the patience to sit through any more of his idiotic maundering.
Thank you for making this video, I had watched Geerup and had this burning pit of ignorance in me all day. Then I saw this and ta da feel better already. Subscribed!!!
woah.....Wikipedia? lol..... I know i don't agree with you on a lot of shit, but....... yeah i agree....did you hear about some noob who staged some info on wiki, to see if the media would treat it as fact.... and they did....and then weeks later he was like just kidding :)
i tried to watch that video. i didnt get 5 min into it. i cant fucking do it!!! i almost commented to it, but had too much to say and yet i am speechless.
well, most of the fundy fucktards that actually watch him would NOT check the facts. They will just accept what he says as "gospel". That's how church works. He could start saying the sky is yellow and he'd have a certain amount of people that might actually believe him.
I'm just happy that we have you and others around :)
Somebody introduce the moron to the EXISTING transitional forms between two species exemplified by ring species. With any luck, the strain of trying to misrepresent the implications of ring species will cause his head to implode.
VFX is coming out of hiding and doing a live web interview today (2 July 09) at 4PM NY time (9MP London/Leeds time) He's expected to talk about what drove him into hiding i.e., death threats, etc. The show can be seen at JESSEWOODROW(dot)COM
The scariest thing about Geerups video is that he gets his kids to film him spouting all this crap. It is obvious they have been indocrinated and in the near future, we will be inundated here on YouTube by little Geerups that want to spread their imbibed lies and ignorance.
I can't help but laugh my ass off every time Geerup puts out a new video! I laugh even harder when you post one taking his ignorant, confused point of view apart.
Does he have ANY kind of education??
This video seemed like it was effortless, compared to the ones you've done where dealing with ignorance is physically painful!
"there should be a proliferation of fossil evidence"
lol. I still laugh at this pathetic attempt to look like he knows big words. read the definition first dingbat.
GallusSapien 1 year ago
First off, Wikipedia is not %100 accurate. If you knew better, just about anyone can edit and contribute. CollegeHumor made a pretty good, humorous video on how useful Wiki is.. Of course an animal that is adapted very well to it's environment or has a helpful design isn't going to change. I think to even argue evolution, he needs to actually understand how evolution even works.
KawaiiKemonomimi 1 year ago
Thanx for posting this as a response
DarkTheAtheist 1 year ago
@DarkTheAtheist No worries! Seemed relevant ;)
starfedrogue 1 year ago
To my knowledge, you still can't cite wiki in college reasearch papers. I should know, I write so many, unlike Geerup who probably couldn't write a three paragraph movie review.
bdpickett 2 years ago
@bdpickett Not even in undergraduate papers, even!
Nocturnalux 1 year ago
"okay." Cracked me right up. Good job mate o/
whirlii 2 years ago 2
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One morer thing, there are tons of evidence out there for the divine, i could direct you for ancient manuscripts but the Bible or God needs not defending for He is available in 2009 BC to anyone searching for the Father in Heaven, to those who willingly reject His love, well, He lets them go, we have free will after all, He isn't seeking robots, nor religious freaks, He sekks that we love Him and have a personal relationship with Him, He's more about family than religion.Best to you and yours.
Serge1965 2 years ago
Manuscripts are not evidence of god. Anyone living before Christ with access to the proper writing materials (be it stone, papyrus, etc) could write anything they chose to, just as we can write anything we wish now.
I can certainly appreciate that you find what you see as god's love to be an important and integral part of your existence, it's just that I don't see a reason to believe it. I would hope that you don't interpret that as some kind of attack on YOUR belief, because it isn't.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
No no, i think our conversation is rather interesting actually! : )On the contrary, not only the manuscripts are authentic but moreover, they do not contradict each other or even the writings that we have today. I respect your right to unbelief but i see it more as a free will choice than a knowledgeable one. There is also supernatural design in the Scriptures that is evidence that men were used to write the Bible but the message itself is from outside time and space, no possib. of contrivances
Serge1965 2 years ago
@Serge1965
You should actually read the Bible, instead of using it as a doorstop or paperweight. The Bible contradicts itself all over the place, and we can start with the Easter morning story. The gospels disagree on the details. Either "God" is a crap editor, or they were just making stuff up.
ImprobableJoe 2 years ago
Here is a book that is a series of letters that are written by different men for different groups, As you may think that they dissagree there is a certain amount of knowledge say the corinthians have than thoes in Jeruselem. We must remember that the tradition existed first and the Book second. Together they make more sence in a spiritual context, as for scolastic interp. this is an impossible task for uderstanding creation in its fullness is impossible not enough matter in our heads
hesicast 2 years ago
@hesicast
Yeah, I guess it would have to make sense in a "spiritual context" since it makes no sense in a rational, logical, or factual context.
ImprobableJoe 2 years ago
What does?
hesicast 2 years ago
And yet we do a pretty good job of understanding "creation" now, far beyond anything that was written in the time of Christ.
Sorry, reality wins again.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
We do? That is why we flipped a coin at Cern because we have better understanding of reality. Sometimes our imagination is greater than the size of matter in our heads. The Bible is just part of a comprehensive understanding of the Human condition and it offers remedy. With ought practice we will never understand it. Just like Science conclusions with ought experiment are just theories. read the dic. under real.
hesicast 2 years ago
Waffle.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
With or with ought maple syrup?
hesicast 2 years ago
i am searching and 1 is not available 2 me
ptica11 2 years ago
You might not have any problems with your neighbors now and probably never will but if you look closely at what happened at Columbine high and what those kids believed, what some serial killers think is quite the same, kids are taught in school that we are animals and behave as such. If they have no other future than live now and the worms later then have a blast while ya last...so depressing ,..people confuse also their rights with their responsibilities these days, free speech has not evolved
Serge1965 2 years ago
It's contradictory to say I "probably never will" while implying that it is the natural outcome of godlessness.
I understand what you are trying to say, but reality simply disagrees with the idea that atheism or "the wrong faith" causes people to turn into psycho killers or go off on weird eugenics crusades.
If anything, it is the other way around. Prisoners in the US, for example, have a much greater proportional chance of being Christian than Atheist. As do serial killers.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Not that I am saying that religion causes people to commit murder or other crimes; what this means is that if we are going to try and analyse a correlation between religiosity and crime, then we should probably take that correlation from the actual data that exists and not just make claims that contradict reality.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Love is the answer though, without love, we would be nothing, what i have a problem with when it comes to materialism is not really your moral values, they can actually be superior than mine but relativism does not reassure me of your neighbor's moral values, if that other guy decides you're a default of natural selection, you're toast whether ur Christian or atheist. God's law isn't relative but absolute and that bothers the modern secular mind because of its exclusivity
Serge1965 2 years ago
"God's law is absolute" requires that god exists, which is an unknown. "God's laws" are woefully incomplete in terms of the moral positions they specify, and simply not sophisticated enough to deal with complex problems. If what you call "God's laws" are what you think they are then he has done a very shoddy job.
I cannot recall any occasion on which a neighbour has tried to eliminate me based on some relativistic moral decision or a bizarre interpretation of natural selection.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Assumptions from our finite minds and i deliberately include myself there mate because i thought for years that God's laws were included as a list of do's and don'ts but the law was introduced to mankind as a schoolmaster, teaching us that we could never achieve such higher standards of perfection but rather, that we would need the Source of perfection working from within to achieve it in us ultimately. In other words, i am thankful for God's Grace and that Jesus fulfilled the law and not me.
Serge1965 2 years ago
That's great that you are happy with your beliefs but simply asking people like me to share your beliefs is not sufficient.
Not because I have a problem with those beliefs, but that you provide me with no reason to adopt them other than the fact of your own belief.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Good bye and don't bother answering
Serge1965 2 years ago
Is that the extent of your commitment to your position?
Post a stream of invectives and then run away when presented with a reasoned response?
starfedrogue 2 years ago
It's no wonder god is losing.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
God isn't losing anything except you and people like you who can only see that your belief system is questioned by people like me who were once in your shoes and now believe the truth because the light has shifted. You hate being questionned on your belief suystem because it is convenient to believe there is no God, if He does not exist, u can pretty much do what thou wilst, right?
Serge1965 2 years ago
If he did exist, according to your belief system, thou couldst pretty much do as thou willed.
The only real difference is that I actually have morals whereas you claim that the only reason you don't eat babies is because you don't want to be punished.
Well, maybe not in those exact terms, but you get the idea.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Assumption on ur part mate, i obey Him out of love for what He did for me, not because i fear that He can fry me up at any moment...i am not claiming to be morally superior to anyone, i am what you would call a sinner saved by the grace of God so just forgiven as the old saying...and He does exist and it is not because of a belief system that i might have, it is just fact of history that is worth digging...eternity in freedom obliges : )
Serge1965 2 years ago
Whether it is fear or love, one would imagine that the fact that people can get on with perfectly good and moral lives without experiencing either precludes any notion of moral superiority anyway.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
millions and billions of years don't exist, just in the heads of those who taught you this shit and believed it so hard that it became the lie that a majority believed. Like Hitler said, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Materialism is a stupid nightmare and i sure hope people will wake up, there is a God and He's coming back to prove Himself
Serge1965 2 years ago
I think you'll find that was Josef Goebbels, and what he actually said was "if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".
Even if this were invariably true, which it isn't, it would not necessarily apply to everything you wish to deny.
Now stop fapping all over my comments page before you get yourself blocked. Constructive, evidence-led comments YES. Banal and juvenile expressions of incredulity NO.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
not wanting God to exist, the industry would lose so much money and their workers would lose their jobs that are based on nothing less than lies, a house of cards, that is why there are agitators that really get angry at christians who stand firm, the religion of Eugenics that kill people who believe in life have paid them well to harass the christians who love Jesus too much... but hey don't tell guys like this dude here that scientists can lie too, ya know that scientists always say the truth
Serge1965 2 years ago
And that's the beauty of the scientific method - verifiable third party perspective.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Real scienc is questionable by peers and when evolution is put in question, you become ostracised by your peers, evolution is simply a THEORY, not SCIENCE, evolution did not happen, it is merely a figment of delusioned people's imagination, seducing idea but false nonetheless when criticly looked at with the facts of the field, go under the ocean and you will see 5000-6000 years of sedimentation only because...
Serge1965 2 years ago
Please feel free to not bother finishing that comment. You are just talking drivel.
On this channel, I encourage healthy debate.
This policy does not leave much room for baseless dogma.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Healthy debate? uh ok,if i agree with you i'm ok right? If Truth presented Himself in person would you recognize Him? Or does truth revolve around your own little world???
Serge1965 2 years ago
Healthy debate involves you presenting your arguments backed up with evidence. I do the same. We then discuss the issues each of us has with the other's evidence and examine what we find from that.
Pretending it is some kind of hegemonic skull-bashing is just a bare-faced lie.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
I guess it is just a matter of being able to question what you think you know as being the truth, for instance, i use to go to our schools, colleges and universities and thought it was funny that my teachers believed that we evolved from monkeys and by random mutations, evolved from chemical reactions that are contrary to life, that nothing exploded and created everything that chaos could result in organized information, then i saw thehuge pharmaceutical industry was funded by companies
Serge1965 2 years ago
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Ida? Oh man you have to be kidding me. First of all Ida is properly called Darwinius Masillae. Second it's a LEMUR skeleton, nothing more. Some people are so gullible. Ida is not a missing link. Evolution will never be proven, because it never happened.
bravetoday 2 years ago
Care to evidence any of the three assertions you have made?
starfedrogue 2 years ago
You are presuming that Geerup can read.
RadarKat73080 2 years ago 4
While I can appreciate some of your points (even though I believe his comedic style still had truth in it,) I think its stupid to say that he was acting like a fool just because he made some jokes and found humor. There are MANY, MANY, atheist videos and evolutionist videos that make humor/jokes out of Religion/Christianity in order to further their theory. So that argument is simply not valid.
MinisterialServant 2 years ago
While I appreciate your comment I think you over-simplify. Geerup has a long history of using a very caustic and deliberately disparaging form of "humour" in order to mock and belittle those he is arguing against. While I of course would not approve of the same behaviour from atheists (or anyone really), this does not excuse him doing it. I am hardly likely to address anyone else for such behaviour in a response to Geerup.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Fair enough.
MinisterialServant 2 years ago
I see GeerUp hasn't had the decency to even respond to this. He really is a coward isn't he?
mikech78 2 years ago 2
I can't imagine what he could possibly respond with without acknowledging at least some glaring errors. So yeah - coward!
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Both VenomFangX and ChristianVoice08 are a bunch of cowards. They only discuss things on their own channel and quickly block anyone that gives them a hard time.
Very annoying snots people like them...
a1mint 2 years ago 3
0:46 /watch?v=zwEr_Eo8I9E
Hail Starfedrogue
I look forward to viewing more videos and following your prophetic career closely, awaiting more divinations.
ScientiaPerceptum 2 years ago
Geerup is an embarrasment to Christians. -- As a Christian Theistic Evolutionist, I say he does more harm to Christianity than good. He is a nut-case and incredibly stupid.
kris01987 2 years ago 3
Exactly... I am not a Christian, but it's not hard for me to imagine how utterly mortifying it must be for the non-lunatics of faith who are unfortunate enough to witness his ranting. I mean, if you wanted to represent Christians in the worst possible way you couldn't really do much better than Geerup. I wonder how many Christians there are who would like to tell him what they think but get censored.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
He sounds a lot like Kent Hovind.
And many YECs consider Hovind an embarrasment.
kris01987 2 years ago
"I say he does more harm to Christianity than good"
When I suggested this on one of his VenomFangX vids (Dead Lizards Don't Prove, I believe it was) he, of course, blocked me.
But, kris01987, when Xianity withers, dries up, dies and blows away it will be on the hands of those Xians that knew better, but said nothing.
I am sincere when I say I'm not trying to "pick a fight" with you, kris; but the job of squelching the nonsense of those like Geerup & Hovind falls squarely on your shoulders
(cont)
SpeakerForrTheDead 2 years ago
and the shoulders of other reasonable, thinking Xians.
It is all too easy to respond to the critiques presented by an atheist like myself with, "You are a liar. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth... "
There are MANY Xians accepting and understanding of evolutionary theory, and it will take YOU to stop the Geerups.
As long as they can present the debate as "good v evil" we all lose.
SpeakerForrTheDead 2 years ago
I agree. I know that Christians (like me) who accept science will not ever penetrate Geerup. Geerup and VFX would oly resort to calling me a heretic and a "compromiser." BUT at the very least, we can call them out on their BS and, hopefully, repair and prevent any potential damage they inflict on the impresionable.
kris01987 2 years ago
That is completely, 100% right, as I see it at least.
Those like Geerup have taken a position from which they cannot back down, no matter what.
I suspect that when Hovind is freed, he'll resume the same nonsense.
You're real hope is in, as you said, those looking to them for truth, in the mistaken belief they must "choose" God or evolution.
Also, I just saw your fine channel...
Good job!
SpeakerForrTheDead 2 years ago
yeah i thought he was saying about wikipedia sarcastically, but surely that then undermines the whole video.
toomasmoore 2 years ago 2
Either way works against his case!
starfedrogue 2 years ago
It's a wonder geerup made it through the bible: not enough pictures!!
Raptor302 2 years ago 2
sorry not getting it, i think science is a mislead. Christianity has its points. ghosts, miracles, and answered prayer ill believe evolution when pigs grow wing. No offense but i dont like to fear death nor deny afterlife.
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
YDP, the entire point of science is to remove personal opinion from the process of developing human knowledge. Compare and contrast.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Its just hard to believe we came from monkeys and they're so retarted yet were so smart. While we have freckles and zits they get fur.
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
.....yourdaily omg please quit pretending to understand evolution....its annoying. If you honestly believe evolution says we came from monkeys you dont understand it. Do you understand the difference between ape and monkey? Humans are of the Ape group, but did not come from chimpanzees. Thats like saying you and your cousins came from that cousin. You both came from a the same grandparents but not each other. Same applies to us and all living things today. We share a common ancestor.
boorens18 2 years ago 2
have you ever heard of sarcasm? and yes i know it says we came from apes and no they're not my fucking cousins thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard stupid scientist. Ya and a bird is niece just with wings thats all. Were seperate from apes bub
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
No you dont seem to understand the difference between coming from apes and coming from monkeys. Humans did not "come" from anything that exists today, that is a common misconception. We came from different organisms that SPLIT over and over into new types making everything in a sense distant cousins. How else can you explain all the genetic evidence? Such as REMS retrovirus's the nested heirarchy of life most importantly?
boorens18 2 years ago 4
well you know i believe that "god" created everything a little different but operate almost the same. There are different philosophies science and christ itself have both shown for instance christ is in the year 0 with christ being stated in history thier wouldnt be a bc nor ad. but science has proven alot of things but what if god knew that we would evolve and did that. But then how did the first rainfall happen? Bible explains it. But ill stay a believer i respect some atheist but star lost it
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
it seems your pleading gods existance. Applying god of the gaps. Saying that anything we dont currently understand must have been god. have you ever heard of "occams razor?" Its the idea that we should try to remove as many assumptions from our answers as possible. Sure a magic unicorn may have left the dirt on my mat but the idea that I did it myself with my shoes takes much less assumptions.
boorens18 2 years ago
The modern calendar was invented in the 6th century by a monk, and wasn't popularly adopted until the 9th century. The calendar also said the world would end in 500 AD.
I'd also like to point out that Christ is not mentioned outside the Bible in any historical texts.
terminaldeity 2 years ago
thats because the historical texts was filled with atheists trying to overule churches.
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
Nice try.
terminaldeity 2 years ago
yes it was because its a fact
Yourdailyperson 2 years ago
Yes, it's all a big complicated conspiracy spanning two thousand years with a stated aim of contradicting the personal beliefs you subscribe to.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
We ARE apes actually.
Look it up.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
right on! subscribed.
Phantasmo77 2 years ago
I used to talk daily to shawn, he would acknowledge my questions and we would have spirited debates. Geerup ignores my ever question, probably because he does not properly understand them, and has no answer to them. At least shawn didn't cower in the face of query.
fatkat444 2 years ago
Geerup's objective is to spread misinformation, and that's it. He doesn't want to debate anyone.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
I'm just glad there are people, such as yourself, out there willing to confront him.
fatkat444 2 years ago
What gets me is those that are religous are so quick to praise god, and discredit evolution, yet they believe all current humans are derived from two human beings. If we are all descendants of adam and eve, (eve being adams second wife) adam and eve on some level were initially created with the capabilites to get cancer, aids, any illness psychological or physiological. They may not have had them, but as thier ancestors, the fact we get them means adam and eve were a flawed creation.
fatkat444 2 years ago
it says that they got sickness and pain after they sinned. i don't know much but it seems like you don't know that much either.
JohnChoi4 2 years ago
Thanks for doing what I could neither calm down engough nor summon the energy to do. Geerup has a talent for making videos professing his ignorance that so exasparate any intelligent viewer as to render them speechless - well most of them anyway. Good for you
dj2baduk 2 years ago
You've gained yourself a subscriber.
reynaldo05 2 years ago
Ahhhhh, right - I see where you're coming from. It's not really so much begging the question as accepting the premises. IF you accept that evolution works as we think it does, then by necessity all forms have to be transitional (either between earlier and later forms, or between earlier forms and being extinct). Obviously if you don't accept evolution under the specified conditions then it would be a bit of a weird and spurious claim.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Evolution is not proven. Yet I have teachers in my college posting questions like this...
Is evolution true?
a. True
b. True
How about fossils just prove ani9mals die and our imaginations fill in the rest. I don;t believe in your religion. I believe in ONE God and his intelligent design.
Have you ever seen a species evolve? Name one species we have studied that has transitioned.
scscruzer 2 years ago
You are describing a problem with your teachers there, not with evolution.
Evolution is abundantly evidenced. Your personal ignorance of the evidence is not a rebuttal of it.
Evolution is not a religion. Furthermore, naming it as such is a risible strategy roughly equivalent to stating "religion holds the weaker position".
Now have you seriously never heard even ONE example of an observed speciation event? There are so many to choose from that it will be difficult to decide which to go with.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
"Have you ever seen a species evolve?" lol, it doesn't happen that quick guy.
elwintherogue 2 years ago
Although the short generation times of micro-organisms and Drosophila etc really do help.
I like the way fundies completely forget about plants in these arguments too.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
"If you think the world is more then 10,000 years old don't call yourself a christian!"
Rev. Cody
Please join the Glorified Truth Bible Study and Fan Group
Umisspelledit 2 years ago
Personally I'd recommend "Christians Under the New Testament" or similar for people like him...
Widgetas 2 years ago
Right, so what you are saying is that when you ask "where is the evidence?" and someone then points to the evidence and says "right there", your response is to say "where?"
And that's somehow not your problem, but "a circular argument".
starfedrogue 2 years ago
State why this is so.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Fuck both PCS's
soulinite 2 years ago
I kinda miss GEERUP's older videos, where it was just him sitting in his car and shouting at his webcam. He was like an evangelical Travis Bickle.
Sleeper99999 2 years ago
I'm glad guys like you are here to watch and deconstruct Geerup's videos. I no longer have the patience to sit through any more of his idiotic maundering.
RHYMEMAIDEN1 2 years ago 2
Great video
anonymous2635 2 years ago
Thank you for making this video, I had watched Geerup and had this burning pit of ignorance in me all day. Then I saw this and ta da feel better already. Subscribed!!!
bubbythebrute 2 years ago
mmmm i like shrimp
TheTabbs 2 years ago
woah.....Wikipedia? lol..... I know i don't agree with you on a lot of shit, but....... yeah i agree....did you hear about some noob who staged some info on wiki, to see if the media would treat it as fact.... and they did....and then weeks later he was like just kidding :)
TheTabbs 2 years ago
yeah... he faked even the source link and the source content itself... :)))))
look! the content was even deleted from wiki and from the source! that must be the conspiracy of the month...
tinyurl(.)com/kjw2ab
venomfangxsite(.)com
pikechris1 2 years ago
does Geerup think that evolution consists of different animal spices breading?
ryjinannon 2 years ago
i also love how he calls evolution a fairytale for adults....because a talking snake feeding an apple to a ribwoman is a fairytale for dolts.
4jonah 2 years ago 3
i tried to watch that video. i didnt get 5 min into it. i cant fucking do it!!! i almost commented to it, but had too much to say and yet i am speechless.
4jonah 2 years ago
Hey hot stuff, did you listen to Shawn on Jesse's radio show?, if so what are your thoughts?
kthankxbye 2 years ago
I'm afraid I was at work, official SFR channel stalker!
starfedrogue 2 years ago
Stalker?, uumm.....oooooooooooook
kthankxbye 2 years ago
well, most of the fundy fucktards that actually watch him would NOT check the facts. They will just accept what he says as "gospel". That's how church works. He could start saying the sky is yellow and he'd have a certain amount of people that might actually believe him.
I'm just happy that we have you and others around :)
tattooskin72 2 years ago 2
Somebody introduce the moron to the EXISTING transitional forms between two species exemplified by ring species. With any luck, the strain of trying to misrepresent the implications of ring species will cause his head to implode.
bdf2718 2 years ago 3
"If you think its a scientific authority then you have absolutely no idea how the scietific literature is organized and how peer-review works"
Geerup? No way
spenceII 2 years ago
VFX is coming out of hiding and doing a live web interview today (2 July 09) at 4PM NY time (9MP London/Leeds time) He's expected to talk about what drove him into hiding i.e., death threats, etc. The show can be seen at JESSEWOODROW(dot)COM
soundscapenyc 2 years ago
The scariest thing about Geerups video is that he gets his kids to film him spouting all this crap. It is obvious they have been indocrinated and in the near future, we will be inundated here on YouTube by little Geerups that want to spread their imbibed lies and ignorance.
630633 2 years ago
the scary thought, some people watch his videos and are just as impressed by them as you and i are by aronra videos.
PoisonedAntidote 2 years ago
Thank you for keeping the amount of time Geerup is on screen to a minimum, i really cant stand listening to that freak.
Atheistprimate 2 years ago 2
Seemed to me that his "Wikipedia" comment was sarcasm. Let's hope it was, anyway.
This guy's an idiot. Keep up the pwning.
endergt 2 years ago
"I say that from the perspective of someone who actually has an education..." - :D
Today, sir, you are my hero. Just for today, you understand, but still. Yay!
I spotted that too... But seeing as he included it in the video you have to wonder at his motives...
Widgetas 2 years ago 3
I just posted an angry comment on that video.
I've never really watched his videos, but I've heard he was an arsehole. Now I know it too.
What a tit.
He doesn't even try to understand.
*Rage*
Widgetas 2 years ago 2
There should be a page on wikipedia under "willful ignorance" with just a picture of geerup...
gildor67 2 years ago 3
Nicely said.
nelliediddle 2 years ago
Great video!
You calm demeanor is the perfect foil for Geerup's mania.
Thanks for this analysis.
CanadienAtheist 2 years ago
Thank you for this - I'm blocked from commenting on the VFX site, so I can only vent vicariously.
army103 2 years ago
Thanks for watching it - it means I can choose not to... if you know what I mean!
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago 2
I can't help but laugh my ass off every time Geerup puts out a new video! I laugh even harder when you post one taking his ignorant, confused point of view apart.
Does he have ANY kind of education??
This video seemed like it was effortless, compared to the ones you've done where dealing with ignorance is physically painful!
;-)
nishbrown 2 years ago 2
Ichthys is the Greek word for fish and early Christians used ichthys as word to symbolise "Jesus (i) Christ (ch), Son of God (th y), Saviour (s).
So if Geerup is aware of his Christian history he should recognise ichthys.
Just a thought.
johncrwarner 2 years ago 6
Yes.
SANTARII 2 years ago 2