Boxing Info 060409 Cotto Clottey Calderon Robert Guerrero

[jurbinsky77]

This is the only site where I get sensible analysis and objective re-creation of what transpired during a fight.

[guardyourgrilltv]

Welcome back my dude! Trust me I feel your pain ( we just agreed to those terms) It has it's pros but imo way more cons. Look out for me in your inbox ( our crossover show is way over due) good to see you back where u belong ( talking the sweet science) Coltrane

[s999top]

COTTO ALL THE WAY

[177bandit]

...well,if those two Bozos are allowed back into the ring,then more "power"(no pun intended) to them,peace!

[177bandit]

..."ears ripped off","loaded gloves",specially treated wraps","blended water bottles"(pryor/Arguello),"ster­oids", "catch weights", you get the picture.Fighters have died in the past due to their injuries in the ring, we can't allow ANYONE to jeopardize the safety and wellbeing of a fellow boxer just to have an "edge";again 'i'm not implying that Margo and his team did cheated,i just don't want to see a tragedy in the ring because of it,BTW,i'm a faithfull box fan,37+ years,peace!

[boxinginfo]

177bandit - I'm w/you all the way and yet there are ass clowns crying for Panama Lewis to be reinstated when HE is responsible for Billy Collins' death. In the span of 7 months we have a bottle mixed with something when only water is allowed and then horse hair removed from Resto's gloves. And these fuckers want this guy back b/c he deserves to earn a living, Right!

With Margarito, I truly believe that this is a promotional witch hunt plain and simple. He wrecked the bigger plans others had.

[XXXMasterP69XXX]

haha but it was only water mixed with water lmao

according to lewis, ridiculous

[177bandit]

...don't get me wrong. i never said that Margo cheated against Cotto, only Margo and Capetillo know for sure,but we don't need fools like this to taint a sport that is already dangerous as it is,the implication or at least the appearance of wrong doing is something that this sport that we lov eso much dosen't need...

[boxinginfo]

177 My biggest beef w/ the Margarito thing is,A COMMISSIONER ALLOWED HIS HANDS TO BE WRAPPED.I laugh my ass off at Nazeem saying there is something hard under there. Yeah its his f'n fist.Have you ever had your hands professionally wrapped w/ 1 roll of gauze and 1 roll of tape per hand?I have and it feels like I could knock buildings down its so hard.

My point is this is being blown WAY OUT of proportion especially when all that was found were traces of sodium and phosphate not the compound

[177bandit]

PS,,, i don't have HBO, just basic cable!

[177bandit]

...well, iguess Margo got suspended by the C.S.A.C "just because",nice!,but hey, Margo and Capetillo dosen't seem to upset about the whole matter.Ironic,there were TONS of evidence against O.J., but hey,HE DIDN'T DO IT,peace!

[177bandit]

...Margo will be lucky if he dosen't get charge and indicted by the California department of justice,this is proffesssional boxing gentlemen, not "Hard times" movie with the late Charles Bronson,and even in that movie there was honor between men,peace!

[boxinginfo]

177bandit- don't hold your breath even if you're one of those people that requires HBO to do your thinking for you. It was California State Athletic Commission that allowed and signed off on the tainted hand wraps to begin with. Secondly, nobody and I mean nobody has any proof Margarito ever stepped intoany ring with tainted hand wraps. All of this is HBO's gay romance with Golden Boy Promotion speculation.

PS

Use some critical thinking it comes in handy especially in professional boxing

[fairalways]

Margarito remains an animal. Not just the shots he gives, but the shots he takes.

[177bandit]

...look at it this way, after the Margo figth, cotto was "done", then Mosley dismanttled Margo,Cotto went on to beat Jennings and pulled a win against a very tough Clottey, and i ask myself:who really is "done"?,peace!

[boricua316]

jajaja i am not a man that likes to rush but i really want to see your post match video can't wait

[177bandit]

...in my view,Clottey let this fight slipped way from him.Who in his right mind challenge the champion in his own backyard,come to the final 2 crucial rounds in a close fight and didn't put the pressure to close the show?He has nobody to blame but himself,peace!

[krl4444]

Hey Islander just wanted to know what your views were on all these fights being cancelled or rearranged? Haye vs Klitschko is off (and a lot of people in the UK think he pulled out due to the UK broadcaster Setanta being on the verge of administration and being unable to pay the 2 million he would have been owed) Khan vs. Kotelnik postponed and now Mayweather vs. Marquez is in doubt! What the hell is going on with the big summer fights!?

[boxinginfo]

krl4444-This happens from time to time and sometimes the reasons are legit w/injuries and sometimes the fighters camps are hedging a bet like rumors have Mayweather doing. If ticket sales are slow they are hedging that they will pick up for September (Mexican Independence Day) or a fight with Pacquiao can now be made. Haye, as you said this is all about the money and he needs to milk every single ounce of it for the lesson he's likely to get one way or another.

[aznvedz]

stork, is the fight was stopped before 10th round, do you think clottey would have gotten the win? how come the fight didn't get stop since the cutS are deep? The fight is very close. I thought he won the fight. Clottey's stock raised even more. Clottey-Berto, Clottey-Collazo, or Clottey-Margarito is good for Clottey. I smell Cotto-Pac soon.

[boxinginfo]

aznvedz-Judging by the wide scores I would think that Cotto would have been up by 2 points on 1 card and 1 point on the other w/ the 3rd having Clottey comfortably ahead.

The $64,000 question: The fight probably wasn't stopped b/c the officials were fearful their would be a massive riot amongst the 17,000 Cotto fans especially if he was on the wrong end of a technical decision.

[aznvedz]

makes sense. thanks for enlightening me.

[Kwamiii21]

Cotto gets alot of respect for fighting Clottey in the 1st place. Plus, I give him even more respect for carrying on after the nasty clash of heads!!

But, Clottey won the fight, he landed more punches (222-179) and he landed way more POWER punches (168-122) Cotto landed one more jab. (55-54).

Thats called an unofficial defeat for Cotto.

[boxinginfo]

Kwamiii21 - I had the fight a point or 2 for Cotto, go ask Dan Raphael of ESPN why he had the fight 116-111 for Cotto as did many sportswriters. Answer, none of us are Cotto haters or Clottey worshippers.

[tropics1020]

Dan Rafael gave Cotto the first three rounds which is just plain retarded. As for Clotteys chances against the elite of the division I think he can absolutely shcool Berto and secure himself as the top 3 welterweight, i don't think he would beat Mosely but he makes an intersting matchup with any other top 147-154 pounder because of his technical skills.

[boxinginfo]

tropics1020- I don't disagree with that, but he is going to be a high risk low reward fighter plain and simple. There is very little that makes me say, WOW I want to see that guy again. Also if that cut would not have happened the scores and fight would have been even wider.

Being competitive w/the elite is not the same as being the elite. He would not beat Mosley or Williams who would out hustle him. Berto I don't consider to be elite and agree Clottey would probably win.

[boricua316]

yeah i was in shock when i heard 116-111 lol it was retarded i had cotto win by a point

[doctorSpoc]

plain and simple... people were scoring blocked punches for Cotto that he just didn't deserve... it's that simple.. Clottey never got rewarded for his defensive guard.. if you don't count the blocked punches it's a Clottey blow out...

[babyfaceassassin21]

next fight. marquez will win against floyd. though if by decision which is more likely to happen he might not get it. everybody wants to see pac-floyd fight.

[babyfaceassassin21]

boxinginfo-- i told you clottey is like margarito. i told you that clottey will win against cotto though im wrong coz clottey didnt get the decision who can say cotto is more like a winner after the fight? i think cotto once hurt tend to run from his opponent. i dont think its bcoz of the cut.

[boxinginfo]

babyface- I'll play the Pacquiao fans card: " Cotto knocked Clottey down therefore he won the fight."

And Clottey is not like Margarito b/c it would absolutely destroy his lungs if he were to throw 100-120 punches a round, nor can he hit like Margarito.

That was the count of 10 you just heard its all over.

[viralsolutions]

i think Clottey should have been given the decision. There is no way that Cotto won 7 rounds of that fight. He showed true heart though. Pacquiao and Mosley will be Cotto.

[ricanorlando]

ur right man cotto did not won 7 rounds he won 6 it was a draw except cotto knockdown clottey in the first wich makes it 114-113 cotto, cotto won rounds, 1,3,4,6,11,12 im giving clottey round 2 but it was a round that couldve gone eather way so it couldve been 115-112

[Kwamiii21]

Cotto won rounds 3 and 4??

[ricanorlando]

U GON DARE TO TELL ME HE DID NOT

[boxinginfo]

Ricanorlando - If this is directed to me, then I will tell you emphatically YES, MARGARITO DID NOT CHEAT AGAINST COTTO! You, me, the whole world has absolutely no proof yet you all keep drinking the HBO/GoldenBoy COOL AID. I'm glad to know there are a bunch of casual fans that can't use a smidgent of critical thinking. With that said I have some ocean front property I would like to sell you real cheap in Arizona.

[samuksam]

Great performance from Cotto. Clearly won 115-112! But don't be fooled by the 3 or 4 rounds Clottey clearly won. These rounds accounted for over 90% of the huge lead for Clottey on the punch count. The fight had 8 or 9 more rounds of which Cotto won 6 and during one of those Clottey was on his backside.

[boxinginfo]

samuksam- excellent point and the compubox numbers for round 10 had to be way off, Cotto only landed 7? 2 were telling left hooks that punctuated the round, and I counted a bunch of jabs throughout the round they they weren't catching.

[BeasTxMode2000]

i just had to say that you underestimated Clottey. He is a very good fighter and put a licking on Cotto even if he lost the decision.

[boxinginfo]

BeaTX- Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. The guy CAN NOT HIT its that simple, he lands the same shots that Margarito stopped Cotto with, Judah and Torres really hurt him with and never once did I see Cotto ready to go down or take a knee.

A rematch may be in order but nobody and I mean NOBODY is going to pay to see him on PPV.

[BeasTxMode2000]

so you werent impressed by clottey at all? if cotto is supposed to be a superstar he didnt seem to be the superior fighter to me. You're probably right about his power because he landed some solid shots that cotto didnt see coming and cotto shook them off.

[boxinginfo]

BeasTX- I was actually more impressed with Clottey than I expected, but he is who he is a very solid fighter with championship qualities he's just not one of the elite like many people have been snowed into thinking.

And if they made him weigh in the day of the fight he would be in SERIOUS trouble.

[lolamjki890]

hold up Margarito is a cheater he should be taken all his victories away Cotto really won that if it would have been a clean fair fight Cotto would have won just like Shane Mosley did

[boxinginfo]

lolamjki890- hold up you are a cheater who types stuff off of hearsay. How's come Margarito was able to find Cotto's chin and face but couldn't land anywhere near the same shots on Mosley? It must be those special cheater handwraps you just put them on and WOW your able to accurately find somebody's chin at the world class level. You realize what a fucking loser all of you sore losers are? This whole thing is a retarded HBO/Golden Boy conspiracy and you clowns buy into it hook line and sinker.

[boricua316]

agree

[lolamjki890]

excuse me but who was actually winning the fight... Cotto .. who had the better combos... Cotto how were Miguel Cotto's legs not wobley and he could still walk str8? the facts are facts Cotto won the fight if Margarito would have faught with out the handwraps.. b honest Mosley distroyed Margarito and you think that Margarito would have lost to Mosley with the handwraps???? i think it would have been the same result as the Cotto Margarito fight...

[boxinginfo]

lolamjki890- excuse you? Do you know how absolutely retarded you sound? Margarito has the loaded hand wraps and all of a sudden he's able to hit Mosley, but without them we get this result?

The Margarito-Cotto fight was EVEN, the judges had Margo ahead btw.

You can't get through your thick skull that Margarito connected on Cotto a hell of lot more times than he did on Mosley more than 100 times more and that is why Cotto's face was the way it was. Let me guess Clottey was loaded as well now?

[boxinginfo]

CONT. So now every boxer that makes Cotto bleed is a cheater obviously. Zab Judah - loaded wraps, Clottey must have had loaded wraps as well. And Margarito's loaded wraps knocked Sebastian Lujan's ear off the side of his head 4 years ago on ESPN yet did nothing to Joshua Clottey. Keep grasping at straws wishing and hoping, the loss stays on Cotto's record the better man won.

[boricua316]

cotto is my man and whats so funny is that everybody is making escuses for his lost, yet cotto says he was the better man that night and is not making escuses if they were loaded or not margo won plain and simple and if cotto is ok with it we all should be ok with and ppl dont be mad, look he came back fought a hell of a fight and november 14 they have come to a tentative agreement cotto vs paquiao if all goes well so he career is still so just let it go!!!! margo won and cotto is on top again

[lolamjki890]

no i didnt say that every boxer that makes Cotto bleed is a cheater.. look Judah Torres Mosley Corley rocked Cotto and yet he found a way to win ... it seems so suspicious that Margo could not do nothing to Paul Williams and yet he Quintana a guy that was completely distroyed by Cotto could beat Williams.. and how could Mosley destroy Margo when Cotto faught a close fight that could have been a draw against Mosley??? do u have an answer for that??

[boxinginfo]

loamjk - Margo rocked and cut Williams bad in the 11th round of their fight and ran out of rounds plain and simple.

Yes my answer to your absurd this guy beat this guy so therefore Margarito should be destroyed by Cotto scenario. ITS CALLED STYLES MAKE FIGHTS and if you knew enough about sports you would know that just b/c A beats B and B beats C does not automatically get you a result of A being able to beat C, everybody that knows boxing knows this.

[boricua316]

damn give it a rest margo won stop with it, plain and simple cheating or not cheating its a 1 in his record so let the pass be the pass margo is suspended and cotto is on a way to a mega fight so forget it ppl!!!!.

[lolamjki890]

ok ok 4get about a & b ... but Cotto has been rocked by guys at 140 and he found a way to win a undefeated Torres who knock cotto down n Cotto won Corley same thing and Cotto won so watz the difference about Margo??? and if Cintron would have had loaded gloves Cintron would have won and Cintron is one of the hardest punchers in the world at 147... and for refrences 2 prove my point check the youtube vids

[boxinginfo]

lola - very convenient - "lets forget about a and b" lmao.

Here's the simplest answer that you refuse to acknowledge or digest: Margarito is a lot bigger and stronger than silly Torres and Chop along Cassidy. Couple that with the fact you didn't see Williams tear through Margarito like he does to most everybody else. And Cintron although I respect him for being a fighter he is a B- boxer at best. Sergio Martinez put him down for a 10 count for the love of God, was he loaded too?

[lolamjki890]

too b honest i respect also Cintron but he has no defense which kills him .... Williams didnt KO Margo but he controlled basically the whole fight which im still not convinced that Margo had vs Cotto ... if Cintron would have had loaded gloves of course Cintron would have KO'ed Margo

[boxinginfo]

lolamjk-I normally don't go to these lengths but Cintron is just a sliver above the level of a boxer who SUCKS. He hits hard against tomato cans, I didn't see Sergio Martinez or Angulo fall face first from the vicious power of this C rated boxer Max Kellerman is trying to prop up.

I see your agenda loud and clear, and I will deal with you the same way I deal with other overzealous nationalists,which is what you are.

News for you, Cotto's chances aren't all that good vs. Pacquiao! Sorry Charlie

[lolamjki890]

vs Pacman hmmm i would say that pacman has the advantage because he is always doing fights on his terms in other words lower weight just like de la Hoya reality is that pacman is a natural 130/135 fighter and cotto is a natural 150 (around there) so Cotto has a chance no doubt but he will need to go to the old cotto which is counter and use his upper cut he hasnt really used his uppercut since Judah and vs Gomez he used more body then chin

[lolamjki890]

Did Antonio Margarito Cheated vs Cotto Part 2 of 2

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Response to Anonio Margarito's illegal handwraps for TalkBoxing.

[boxinginfo]

lola - TalkBoxing is entitled to their opinion, guess what? I don't care what they think about Margarito. Do you know why? B/C they like you and like me and the California State Athletic Commission have ZERO proof Margarito did anything wrong except finding,"Traces of sulfur" in some dirty bloody bandages, but you like all the other brainless who need HBO to think for you, automatically assume your God "Cotto" was wronged, yet Clottey just bounced 200+ shots off him. Lack of defense.

[lolamjki890]

lol u sound like u get offended im jus debating.. neways back 2 business. everybody has gotten to Cotto's chin and he STILL COMES BACK 2 WIN.. with loaded gloves Cotto would have won and i bet u.. u would b sayin Cotto should b kicked out for life bcuz Cotto has establishment with ESPN HBO and the real hardcore boxing fans that know boxing lol accept it Margo cheated there is proof and Margo should retire b4 he tries to com back and fights no name boxers cuz nobody is gonna wanna fight a cheater

[boxinginfo]

lolamjk- I'm not offended as much as I'm astounded by 2 things, how quick you and hundreds of other people are to believe any crap HBO tries to plant in your heads. Secondly YOU HAVE NO PROOF ANYBODY HAS/HAD LOADED GLOVES! All you want is Cotto's record expunged of the loss that was a long time coming, he nearly lost to Clottey and believe me when I say that Margo winning that fight destroyed DelaHoya's plans to put that 1st loss on Cotto's record and thats the reason for this bull shit.

[lolamjki890]

no evidence i showed u the two clips didnt i?? De La Hoya would not have given Cotto a loss because he is washed up and everybody has seen it coming to be honest idk y Oscar came back he is doing good in promoting.. i think maybe a Berto could have givin Cotto the first loss because he is fresh not big fights except collazo rocking him but thats basically it still i heavily believe that Margo cheated and you can proof urself that Margo didnt cheated (i did blood on the wrapping)

[boxinginfo]

lola- your 2 clips don't amount to anything. And its not me who thinks Oscar could've beat Cotto, its Oscar and his people who wanted that fight so he could win (in their minds) and go into retirement on top. Margarito ruined that whole dream for them.

Do you not notice how well or horrendous ur 1st comment on this video was received by everybody else including Cotto fans? It was so bad that I had to reply to it in order to be able to read it, that's what everybody else thinks of your nonsense.

[lolamjki890]

who cares about the Oscar fans cuz no matter what a fight between Oscar n Cotto i doubt wud have happen becuz Bob Aren doesnt really set up good fights 4 Cotto thats been the trouble with Aren n Cotto for years... its clear what i said i said that Margo CHEATED n if ppl think its not tru look at the other videos on youtube... real boxing fans know that Margo cheated 1 year suspended and he should b banned for life... if ur still paranoid about ppl and HBO ESPN Showtine BBC Skysports its ur prob

[boxinginfo]

lolamjk - Who said anything about Oscar's fans are you stupid? Its Oscar and his people aka GBP.

No Arum doesn't set up good fights just his biggest payday against Margarito which he failed miserably.

What you stubborn SORE LOSING PEOPLE can not understand is that Cotto lost that fight once he realized he couldn't hurt Margarito if he hit him with a sledgehammer, it had nothing to do with the handwraps.

Also I don't care what any other YouTube videos say they could all be brainless like you.

[lolamjki890]

yea exaclty that sledgehammer were the LOADED GLOVES you keep making the point that Margo cheated "stupid, sore losing people" stop crying because Margo was caught ... listen you paranoid hippie Margo was caught im done with you before you make a video crying waaa waaa Margo was caught by the media and the boxing establishment waaa waaa .... have fun making videos on youtube with ur retirement check

[boxinginfo]

lolamjk- You obviously can not read nor comprehend simple English. I said Cotto COULD HAVE USED A SLEDGEHAMMER and still could not hurt Margarito.

Get it through your thick fucking skull that Cotto can not did not and will not ever be able to HURT Margarito! The fight has already been won mentally by Margarito's CHIN.

Now please go seek some mental help, you need it especially since YOU NEED HBO to think for you!

Crying is what YOU have and ARE DOING!

WAAAAAAA Cotto lost it can't be WAAAAA

[boxinginfo]

lola BTW next year Margarito is going to be fighting Cotto a rematch. Prediction right now is Margarito is going to KO Cotto and do it even faster than last time.

Nothing Cotto can do will hurt Margarito. And Margarito it seems has made a career out of winning these Mexico-Puerto Rico matchups, just look at that stiff Kermit Cintron. And this is what I really think has your thong all twisted in knots. Get ready at least 1 maybe 2 more losses by this time next year.

[doctorSpoc]

i disagree that Cheatarito ran out of rounds with williams.. Williams knew he had the fight and wanted to have some fun and mix it up with Margarito.. happened int he middle of the fight as well. then his corner got him to smarten up... but you are right about Margo - Mosely no amount of loaded wraps would have help Margo against Mosely because he simply could not hit mosely.. loaded wrap aren't going to help you if you cannot connect with them...

[boxinginfo]

docSpoc - Margarito didn't start fighting until the 6th round. Think of all the body work he did against Cotto in the first 6 rounds when he was down 5 rounds to 1. Against Williams he waited too long to let his hands go.

He could have had cinder blocks in his gloves vs. Mosley and it wouldn't make a difference.

People will not get through their heads that Cotto's defense is being exploited by top level competition plain and simple, he wasn't in that great a shape at the end of this fight.

[lolamjki890]

up 2 this day Cotto hasnt done a rematch and i doubt that Margo will get a fight in the welterweight in a year

[viralsolutions]

I think you have the wrong pick!!! Clottey's PUNCHES ARE STRAIGHT AND CRISP! Clottey by late round KO!!! Check out my video on that...

[boxinginfo]

viral - good call on your part, I'm still waiting for a Clottey KO for 5 years running, do your homework.

[tropics1020]

Clottey gets alot of praise from people in the boxing community because he looked better than Cotto against their two common opponents..Judah and Margarito.

[boxinginfo]

tropicis1020 - CORRECTION both Cotto and Clottey were on the receiving ends of beat downs after big starts against Margarito only Clottey made it to the finish line.

Judah? Lets see Clottey one a very close Technical Decision while Cotto planted him on his back and stopped him. But somehow this keeps getting spun into Clottey looked better even though he was never once in danger of stopping either of them. Would've Could've Should've what happened happened it was TD9 not TKO11.

[tropics1020]

No way Stork, Margarito looked like the loser at the end of the Clottey fight because Clottey landed 90% of the clean punches, Most of Margarito's punches were grazing blows and afterwards Clottey looked like he barely got touched. so to say Clottey recieved a "beatdown" and comparing that loss to Cotto's is absurd.

[boxinginfo]

tropics - it doesn't matter then or now do you know why? Because Clottey is always going to be outworked by the elite and never really even have a punchers chance. He hit Cotto with everything and nothing happened, even after that grotesque head butt induced cut. You are barking up the wrong tree dude. In regards to damage is concerned you and I could not see the damage Margarito did to Clottey's body and Margarito always looks like he's been in a fight.

[tropics1020]

And everyone who watched the Judah fight knows that Zab quit, and even if you dispute that, they showed on the replay that Judahs cut was caused by a punch, not a headbutt, so the referee got it wrong and Clottey really should have won that fight by TKO! and he did that without getting hurt...unlike Cotto who was hurt multiple times when he fought Zab.

[boxinginfo]

tropics- Now that you have hooked your cart to a guy who will not part of the elite please show us when Clottey scored knock downs over Judah or Cotto. 1 stoppage in the past 5 years running and I'm the only person who points this out, he doesn't have a puncher's chance with the elite.

[Kwamiii21]

With Clottey, you have to look at the fact that nobody has yet to stop, or even hurt, him in more then 10 years fighting as a pro. Compared to Cotto whose been hurt in plenty of his fights.

He STOPPED Judah in R9, would of stopped Corrales if he didnt keep spitting his mouth peice out. Stopped Liuz Cruz, who has never been stopped before.

And, could probably stop the Great Miguel Cotto tommorow night if he really performs at his best.

[boxinginfo]

Kwamiii21 - CORRECTION he did not stop Judah nor did he ever floor Judah it was a technical decision.

[Kwamiii21]

On paper it may be a TD.

But if watch the fight u'll see that it was a uppercut from Clottey that opens up a cut on Zab Judah's already messed up face.

Its only because of the pro judah crowd and the bais referee, that they pretended there was a headbutt in an attempt to cheat Clottey out of a victory.

[Kwamiii21]

So thats actually called a TKO.

Also you overlooking the fact that Zab hurt Cotto early in the fight whereas Clottey was not fased by any of Zabs punches.

[boxinginfo]

Kwamii21 you're overlooking the fact that Clottey got the even more beaten down version of Judah and couldn't come close to getting him off his feet.

[P4p775]

boxinginfo. why is it that margaritos name was mention thruout the whole bout?

i mean all i heard was margarito did this this he he cheated all margarito

[Kwamiii21]

But Cotto didnt have Zab "off his feet" until R11. Whereas Zab could'nt even get to R11 against Clottey because he had already lost the fight.

[boxinginfo]

Kwamiii21 please do your homework Judah was down in the 9th round as well as the 11th flat on his back. Cotto was way ahead of Judah at the time of the stoppage where as Clottey was barely ahead of and already beaten down Judah.

Face it Joshua Clottey ain't going to be selling PPV anytime soon, he hit Cotto with everything including his head and still couldn't get him out of there.

[bunce101]

Clotteys speed is as good as cottos, hits about as hard but throws less often, counters that by being more accurate, hes much more durable than cotto but less skilled, he is the type of fighter that can make adjustments, watch his adjustments he makes when he hurts his hand to survive, tough tough fighter, Cottos gonna be in for a war in my opinion possibly tougher than the Margarito fight

[boxinginfo]

bunce101- Hits as hard as Cotto? Yet his KO % is a paltry 52.63% as opposed to Cotto's 79% couple that with the fact Zab Judah found himself flat on his back vs. Cotto and Clottey came nowhere close to getting him off his feet. Guys that hit as hard as Cotto don't have only 2 stoppage victories in the past 5 years, and personally I don't believe Clottey is going to be able to put the same damage on Cotto that Margarito did he's no where active enough or explosive enough.

[tropics1020]

No way man i see it like this; Clottey has faster hands,much better foot movement, better counterpunching and better defence.

Cotto has the power,a better jab and he might have more stamina than Clottey. I think Clottey is the better technical boxer which is why I think he will get the better of Cotto. He may not get the decision but will give a great account of him self.

[bunce101]

also he was beating the crap out of baldomir before the BS disqualification

[bunce101]

The hype comes from the Margarito fight, Clottey showed his true potential in the first 4rounds or so, if that CLottey shows up you will see what the hypes about

[boxinginfo]

bunce101 and gio92307 - those 1st 4 rounds were not the LANDSLIDE everybody makes them out to be. NOTE-Margarito broke one of his hands as well and then outfought Clottey the whole rest of the way. Besides Margarito is a slow starter as proven against Clottey, Cotto, Williams and every fight he has that goes past 5 rounds.

HYPE is all it is until he proves me wrong tomorrow. Personally I wouldn't wager too heavily on it unless Cotto's mind is screwed up from the trainer situation.

[tropics1020]

Margarito won because of his volume punching . But all the clean effective punches were landed by Clottey, just look at the end of the fight and see how puffy Margaritos face was, and Margarito was also bleeding from the ear whereas Clottey wasn't bruised, puffy or cut.

[boxinginfo]

tropics1020- What did Margarito's face look like after Cotto pounded it for 11 rounds? GQ Magazine? I don't think so, his eyes were seriously f'd up.

[tropics1020]

Absolutely his face looked worse after the Cotto fight..Cotto did more damage to him than Clottey or Paul Williams, but Cotto absorbed even more damage than he inflicted in that fight whereas Clottey absorbed very little, that tells us that JC's got better defence than Cotto, and thats one reason why i'm picking JC to win tommorrow. Actually he might lose a close decision, because Cotto is a star, but I think he will get the better of Cotto for sure.

[boxinginfo]

tropics - good call.

[gio92307]

clottey got alot of recognition from the margarito fight. he was beating margaritos ass in the first half of the fight but then he hurt his hands and faded

[burritochopper]

yeah the same thing with manny pacquiao

and floyd the are shit look at the record of these two not a single prime time fighter but the media say that they are the best p4p please what a joke

[GraysAthletic]

good show as usual

[samuksam]

How's it going', old man? You cool?

[boxinginfo]

samuksam I'm as good as I have ever been I guess. You have been quite  quiet since the retirement of Ol' Joe Calzaghe good to see your still around.

[samuksam]

Good to see you. I agree with your analysis on Joshua Clottey but people shouldn't underestimate him. There's a reason he's been avoided. He's very, very strong. I remember watching him against Corrales and he came in at 170lbs!!!

[P4p775]

great points on u got my head.

i think clottey would have to do wat margarito did.

[SaFaO]

Great review! That's why i subscribe.

I agree with you.

Cotto wins by decision.

[hotelroyale100]

good analysis.

[JOWEYPR]

Cotto win by Ko between late 9th and 11 round. WHy? Clottey knows Cotto is bettter boxer than he is and he wont beat by points. He will become more agresive in the lates rounds with the hope of KO cotto. Problems is, normally Clottey open his gap when he use his 1-2 comb. because he wants to kill with his right hand and end throwing unbalance straight. Clottey willl open that gap widder than ever and Cotto will end landing one of thosse powerfull L-hooks he has. AFter that LIGHTS OFF 4 CLOTTEY.

[ashyknuckles1]

Good video, good points. However, you don't always have to KO a world class opponent to be considered good enough to win a tough fight. I mean, how often did Pernell Whitaker KO a world class opponent? I can't just judge a fighter like Clottey based on who he's faced on the elite level. It wasn't until recently that Clottey had a high profile promoter to get him big fights. Prior to that, he had to fight the guys that were put in front of him and take the fights that were offered to him.

[arielito1]

great video stork. Altho i dont always agree to you, your opinions are always well thought out, which is why im a suscriber.

[mcriss79]

yeah, why the hell did hbo choose to not show the calderon-mayol fight?ivan is one of the best pure boxers in the sport,hbo could of capitalized by showing him fight with a calderon-viloria unification fight looming...idiot's!....but i'll go ahead and say cotto takes a decision in a close fight,the only way this fight gets stopped is with a clottey kayo,i just don't think cotto hurts him,however we'll see how cotto reacts if hit clean on his chin,judah rattled him a couple times with uppercuts.

[NordStar22]

Clottey tko10

[blankiadoe]

Cotto 8th-9th. I think Cotto is going to do what people can't even imagine and knock Clottey ass out. After that happens you can forget Cotto vs paperbag weather b/c that will make him run like a bitch once again. COTTO VS PAC!!!

[magictrey]

Clottey by decision

[DirkDigglerV3]

I think what most people see in Clottey is potential more than anything he's actually done yet. He was boxing the piss outta Margarito for the first four rounds of their fight before his hand problem and even afterwards, made it competitive. Judah couldnt land a glove on him. Ok losing to Marg and beating a faded Judah doesnt sound great but his performances were encouraging and leads you to believe theres more to come.

[boxinginfo]

Dirk - you hit the nail on the head, "potential" I just think in this case the numbers/results don't lie. The Margarito fight keeps growing in legend, he was way too close with Baldomir and Guiterrez and again has not show the ability to stop a world class opponent, yet.

[DirkDigglerV3]

Maybe Ive bought into that potential too much cos I really like his style. Excellent defensively and throws some beautiful combinations when he actuually lets his hands go.......which admittedly isnt often enough.

Unfortunately I can see him landed the cleaner blows throughout but still getting jobbed on the scorecards due to it being in MSG on the Parade eve. So that rules out a decision....

[DirkDigglerV3]

Im still gonna bite the bullet and say he puts on the performance of a lifetime n stops Cotto late. Cotto will need to use his legs for the whole fight and thats not his game, his stamina isnt good enough. Clottey will hook to the body slowing Cotto down so he'll be forced to trade on the inside where he's very vulnerable to uppercuts which are among Clottey's best punches. I just think this is Clotteys Coming Out Party!

Either way this a great fans fight. Take note Floyd.

[hotelroyale100]

it is a dangerous fight for cotto. accroding to the margarito fight, clottey would have the advantage.

[yusef1818]

when has clottey been hit by a big shot,cotto to win by tko 9

[7Sabretooth7]

Good vid. I dont see any guy takin the other out either. Clottey aint gonna charge cotto downthe way margo did n cotto gonna need to come forward n let his hands go. Cos he's gonna be quicker to the punch allnite if he does. Cotto does lean in a little tho n clottey got a nice uppercut so he gotta watch that. Clottey needs to go to cottos body in this fight IMO. I think its gonna be close n defo goin to points Parade n all, guess i'l take cotto.

[gabytech]

Cotto by TKO 10-12 rd.

[makajam]

Hayemaker pulled out...Chagaev is in against Wlad. I got Cotto winning by Unanimous Decision as well!

[trinitystarr11]

Cotto by unanimous decision.

[Inkboss]

I see nothing special in clottey cotto will win.

[kg21carlito]

i hear what ur saying i never would think that cotto would get ko'd by clottey but every fighter needs that big fight to put him on the map. he did show well vs margarito before the injuries. i want cotto to win and i know he can but i also think that clottey can take advantage of cottos weakness. i think it helps maybe that clottey isnt a huge ko artist cuz i think he will focus on out boxing him and finding times to let his hands go and score.its not like cotto cant be beat.good vid

[bmark12]

USATEAM123 ere- Rodel Mayol has some skills and he has a chance to beat ivan calderon.

[supergunner07]

I agree about your comment on Cotto gaining confidence from doubts of handwraps.

[10splayer]

that even though he is not a pressure fighter like a Magarito, he does come forward and he is a strong guy, and some people question Cotto after his fight with Margarito. That's I think the main reason why people look at Clottey as a threat and possible winner. Be as it may, I've got Cotto winning by a UD.

Excited to see Calderon fight. Only seen a little of him from YT. So I'm excited about that one, He should by a UD as well.

Great video boxinginfo, enjoyed it.

[585WeDaBest]

@10splayer

Whaddup bro.....

Yeah i see Miguel Cotto beating Joshua Clottey...... 2 stoppages in the last five years! Wow...... Yeah i think they will be a difference in BOXING SKILL and maybe even HANDSPEED in this fight to Cotto's advantage....

I see Cotto's BODY PUNCHING BEING a major factor. I believe he will break through Clottey's guard with the great JAB and accurate punching..... Cotto by 12 round UD.

[10splayer]

Nothing much bro, how about yourself?

Yes I agree, I think Cotto will be able to make it throug, Clottey's exceptional guard. He just has to stay busy and not stay in the pocket against Clottey.

[stojor]

That is a good point about the jab. We are talking about a guy who out-jabbed Sugar Shane. Not an easy task.

[585WeDaBest]

@stojor

Yeah i mean people don't realize how good of a jab Cotto has..... Clottey can snap that jab as well with ferociousness..... That why this fight is so intriguing for us boxing fans.....

[10splayer]

Robert will be fighting Efren Hinojosa. He should win this fight pretty convincingly.

Now getting to Clottey-Cotto, I agree, I don't see Clottey winning this fight at all. He doesn't put the pressure on like Margarito, he doesn't punch as big, and is not a volume puncher. He's a walk you down/Counterpuncher. Cotto by UD, he's just to versatile for Clottey. Clottey body is going to be sore come the morning of June 14. I think a lot of people see Clottey as a possible winner because of the fact

[88stockmj]

the haye fight is off =( hes fighting chagaev now. Haye is apparently going for vitali in september, but we will find out later on today. I hope he doesn't cause i wouldn't feel confident in haye beating vitali right now....

[stojor]

Clottey hold his hands VERY high. Cotto is a savage body puncher. I see the left hook to the liver breaking Clottey down and leading to a late stoppage.

[mendozer]

Holding hands high is just good defense. You hold your hands high at a distance b/c fighter's can only throw body punches in in close. The way Clottey holds his hands won't make any difference.

[stojor]

His hands are TOO high. Furthermore, there are body punches that can be thrown from a distance. Such as jabs and straight right hands. See Mayweather vs Corrales

[mendozer]

There's a reason you don't see fighters throw straights to the body much. You leave your head down and can't bring other punches behind it. Try it in the ring.

FURTHERMORE, the jabs and straights to the body weren't what won the fight for Mayweather. Was Corrales holding his hands too high? Does Winky Wright get hit to the body consistantly because of where he holds his hands?

How many fights can you name where straight punches to the body were a significant, deciding factor?

[stojor]

You can throw a left hook up or down after a straight right to the body. I have tried it in the ring, it works against tall guys who square up and hold their hands too high.

As for Floyd vs Chico I do think multiple rounds of consistent body work by Floyd decreased Chico's punch out put and allowed Floyd to potshot him.

Winky keeps his hands up, they are not wrapped up almost over his forehead.

Off the top of my head one of Pacman's early stoppage losses was from a straight right downstairs

[stojor]

Now Ill ask you some questions, if holding your hands as high as Clottey's is good defense why don't any of the top pound for pound guys (take ESPN's list for instance) hold them as high? If he holds them high at a distance because he is too far away to get hit in the body why hold them up at all? Its much easier to move your head out of the way of a shot than it is to move your abdomen.

[mendozer]

I wouldn't argue that Clottey has the best defense or is P4P. I'm arguing that holding your hands high doesn't neccessarily mean you're taking body shots.

You keep your hands up at distance b/c it's better to be safe than sorry. You can't possibly see everything coming.

You guard your head from distance for the same reason you hold your hands on your cheeeks, not your hips. Head shots hurt more/ can get you KO'd easier.

Plenty of old school fighters kept the high guard.

[mendozer]

No, you need space to throw a straight punch. You need to be close to throw a hook. Thowing a straight to the body and then a hook to the head is amateurish and awkward unless you're close, in which place, you just made my point.

Floyd was landing body punches. That's obvious. I'm talking about consistant straights, not hooks in close...

People get knocked out by crazy punches all the time. De La Hoya lost to Hopkins on a straight right. I said, how many? Those are exceptions.

[stojor]

DLH hoya was Ko'd by a left hook in the Hopkins fight. Anyway we can go back and forth all day on this. You raise some good points but we just don't agree and it doesn't seem that we will. Let's see how it plays out Sat night and see which one of us was right. Either way it will be an entertaining fight for sure.

Good debate, hopefully we can do it again sometime.

-JSM

[KLC899]

I'll go with Cotto 8 rounds to 4. I pretty much agree with everything Islander said.

[dorstybally]

hey.. hw did he make zab judah quit. if punches are powerful enough to cause damage u plum. look if clottey knocks out cotto.. i suggest u stop doing boxing analysis.

[trinitystarr11]

dorstybally - u suggest stop doing boxing analysis.

It's called a prediction..

Stop watching his show douche..........

Cotto by UD

[coolviet55]

Ivan Calderon man does his body ever aged? how is this guy around 30 and still weighing at 108 it amazing

[krazyblakk]

clottey ko in 8

[babysikario69]

Good insight sir.

[avalino79]

the hand wraps issue should do wonders for Cottos phykie, and yes he is a professional and stong minded.

I got cotto winning it UD, doing everything he did vs Margarito, plus learning from his mistakes and not let Clottey get his shots off by clinching and sometimes smothering his punches.

Cotto cant afford to see if he can engage in a slug fest.... Im not too concerend with a favorite, I just want a good exciting fight.

[gabytech]

The best analogy of Clottey I've seen. You hit it right on point. Cotto 100%

[mhagler91491]

I agree with your assesment on Cotto-Clottey, Joshua Clottey is more of a guy who makes his opponents look bad because he is a good fighter who has good defense and is durable as well as awkwardness of his style. He just presents problems that you don't see often and that is why he seems so much better then he is, now I am not saying that he is a bad fighter because he is very talented but I believe he is level below the true elite and that is what Cotto is in my mind.

[Erocked7]

sometimes Hunger and heart alone is all you need and clottey has a lot of both haha