Good job with your video. Polyamory is both good and full of love and honesty. Diversity in society is a moral standard upon which civilization is based. Polyamory is part of that diversity. Thanks so much for your timely and ethics-based input.
i'm very interested in this type of relation ship i just want to shop aroun for the right relation ship before i decide on the ones thay must keep a open mind and must be a clean person or persons.interested in this wright me and lets us know. you are a pretty girl and i hope love finds you.
I have got to be honest... throughout myself I have managed to open my mind to homosexuality, transexuallity, bi, pan... but Polyamory is the one thing I cannot wrap my head around. I just can't understand it, being monogamous myself. I can't see it as more than an excuse to indulge, be it sexual or boredom. honestly if my bf were to dare fall in love with someone else I would be hurt and feel abandoned. I'd feel guilty doing it myself. Maybe that's why I don't understand. It's engrained in me.
@TheOneWingedBird Well, it's good that you're able to realize that, at least. I think maybe it would help if you don't personalize the situation. In the scenario you mentioned it wouldn't actually be considered polyamory because you do not consent to it.
Part of the problem is that modern relationships are based on ownership of one another. Think of what we say to each other "you are mine" "we were made for each other" "do you take this man/woman, to have and to hold" It is ingrained in us.
@artemisfair lol I like those phrases though. "we were made for each other" is my favorite. But not "do you take this man/woman..." because I don't like the wedding speech much.
But I'm pretty sure that ownership in relationships has been around forever, if you look at history. I don't think it's a "modern" thing- as a matter of fact, I think it used to be a lot worse. And it doesn't have to be monogamous, think of historical men who had all the rights and owned several wives.
@TheOneWingedBird You're right, I misspoke. I'm not getting enough sleep lately lol. Marriage has always been about ownership, especially toward females. The point is, I think we should be moving away from this model. We like to consider ourselves more enlightened than we used to be, and yet we have these antiquated ideals about love and relationships. This doesn't have to naturally lead to polyamory, but trust should be understood to be the foundation for a good long-lasting relationship.
@artemisfair True, I myself don't hold a strong belief in marriage, because I see dishonesty in lots of them. What I believe is a committed long-term & monogamous relationship.
I don't agree with the lifestyle of polyamory, but not because of marriage or religious reasons. I just have different viewpoints when it comes to love & sex I guess, I find that it needs to be something special between 2 ppl. However, I dont discriminate against people because they are polyamorists. I only dissagree.
@TheOneWingedBird Not at all, and sorry if that came off the wrong way. What I meant by that is to remind you that my approval is not the one you should be seeking and even if it were we can agree to disagree.
@artemisfair I don't care about your agreement I just didn't want you pissed because honestly I get into youtube wars very easily and I don't need to start a new one. That's all.
Heh...Lots of yelling *eye roll*. I was reading something about a polyamorous relationship (four way committed relationship) and decided to look further into it just to kind of acquaint myself with the...Subject? I don't know but anyway you explained it really well so thanks! :) And I personally like the 'Lot's of love' idea lol :)
@BuffynFaith16 There always seems to be yelling where someone else's bedroom life is involved. :-P Glad you liked the video. I appreciate the feedback.
I like how it's slightly autistic out of shape nerd girls that without the saving grace of Multiamory or otherwise you wouldn't get laid, let alone be desired.
Your just being used. Then again you like it, otherwise if you didn't throw yourself down as a rug, you'd never get anyone using you to wipe your feet with.
@totenkray Not here to impress you, first of all. Second of all I'm in a long-term monogamous relationship, have never been polyamorous, I just support love of all kinds. Now kindly fall off a building.
ive stumble on "POLY-AMORY" and read on the topic of the subject with and openmind?Ive always found myself in relationships where ive been HONEST ABOUT MY FEELINGS WITH WHOM IM WITH?I NOT A JEALOUS PERSON?BUT I DO FIND MYSELF IN LOVE WITH DIFFERENT WOMEN THAT I CONECT WITH ON MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS MORE THAN JUST SEX?MOST OF THE WOMEN I DATE HAPPEN TOBE BI SEXUAL?THEY ALL SAY SAMETHING ABOUT HOW I MAKE THEM FEEL?SO WHATS THE PROBLEM?THEY ALWAYS THINK THAT THE OTHER FEMALE WILL TAKE ME AWAY FROM
@artemisfair I was yelling because of the JEALOUSY AND ENVY people love to show? it's a mental cancer and bad for your health?Im a Zealous person which is very different from jealousy and envy?I just have a very caring nature by heart?So im just intune with my feelings and i don't hide that for no one not even myself?OPENMINDEDNESS IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING?THE COMPLEX-THE PERPLEX-THE SIMPLEX? but you do make very valid points...
Nice video, and while its a bit late I'd like to say just ignore the idiots that can't just say 'its not for me, but cool' and move on. Also on the slut comment I'd have to say that personally your gorgeous.
Naaaah its not lots of love. You only want this if you dont really love anyone. It typically happens after a hard love affair issue, especially if your heart have been broken. I'm really not a narrowed-mind person.
In the end the first thing that you could obtain its a mad jelaousy!! Becuz that's not what you can control about your feelings. And that's what truely is beautiful and special, uncontrollable feelings.
Sorry, I don't agree. I find it disturbing that anyone would suggest insecurity is "beautiful." Personally, I find jealousy repulsive, even as a monogamous person.
You make a lot of blanket-statements, which IS very narrow-minded of you. It's no different than saying that gay or interracial relationships won't work, and it probably comes from a place of insecurity within yourself.
No, I'm not angry. I apologize if what I said hurt your feelings, but I'm not sure where you got the idea that my intention was to spare them. What you said was bigoted, and I said so. You are entitled to your own opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend it's valid.
My comparison was accurate. Polyamorous people are discriminated against and judged in the same ways that homosexual and interracial couples have been, and by the same kind of people: ones who can't mind their own business.
Sorry, I don't know what other word besides "disturbing" I can use to describe an ideology where it is both "sane" and "beautiful" to feel that you possess another human being, much less one that will not offend you. As an individualist, I do not see any merit in the "better half" idea of romance. It's cute, but in reality, a successful relationship is made up of two whole people, not two paranoid, codependent, scent-marking halves. Love is not calling dibs, it's trust, friendship and loyalty.
@artemisfair jealousy can be connected with insecurity, but in this case there isnt really any real love. It's just an ego stuff I think.
Anyway I found your answer aggressive, becuz If I were you, I would thank everyone who have paid attention on your video, and even wrote some comments to have some confrontation about this topic.
I had myself a lot of different experiences, girls,boys, serial dating, triangles, and now I just feel that love is a quality not quantity.Just my idea,that's all
I do appreciate political discourse, but I also feel some things should not need to be debated at this point. Example: I am more than willing to debate with you why I feel that consenting adults should be able to marry whichever consenting adults they want. You may agree with me, but when you qualify that statement with "but I don't think this type of love is valid" I get frustrated and want to quit. Prejudice is what keeps the Human Rights from being actualized.
@artemisfair that's ok, I'm convinced that we're both open-minded persons after all, and we both have our own reasons so say what is good 4 ourselves. But you're still mistaking if you keep on saying that I have prejudice, mine is OPINION after personal experience not PREJUDICE. Bye
MY BIGOTRY??? How the hel you get that??? Now you're reachinig flr reasonis to c ondemn me. maybe if you're using something hienlien Re-created you should read asbout it, and don/t forget "The Moon is a harsh mistress". most of that "line marriage": swould have been members of the Tea Party. Obviouslyyou have no real working knowledge of what I'm talkinig about. i hiope you find out in your future life how it bfeels to be betrayed and have no where to turn. SHE lied, used Poly to get rid of
That's it. I have no more patience for you. Yes. Your bigotry. That's what it's called when you use your own prejudices against an entire group of people. As for the rest of your comment, due to your lack of syntax, I have no idea what your talking about. Seriously, I'm not being rude here, but you should learn to compose a sentence before you start pulling this stupidity in a public forum.
And I have read Heinlein. You'll find that people other than bitter old men are well-read, shocking right? But that's really besides the point, because if you watched my video you'd know I'm not "using" polyamory. I'm a monogamous woman who is an activist for the alternative lifestyles community. Obviously you have no basis to judge what I have a working knowledge of. I would like to wish horrible things upon you as well, but I'm not a dickhead so I won't.
I was onmce a supporter of C.A.W.; I waite 35 - plus years to be nested; "she' didn't take it seriously; i.e. nothing to her. When you love someoone even if it's in a poly you don't push them (and your chi.d) away fromo you, and that's being polite. The low-life scum she's dating (now) is big in the C.A.W., has no idea what she's really like, and doesn't care she used poly to screw me over for almost cour years, and doesn't seem to know or mind she's a lousey mother!!! you're too young.
1st of all, I haven't said anything about Church of All Worlds. I find it to be a fanciful delusion.
2nd of all, I'm old enough to be able to tell that the woman you were with moved on. It happens. Love doesn't always last forever. Maybe you should try to better yourself rather than slandering her on some strangers youtube comments section.
3rd of all, "I'm older, therefore I know better" is not convincing, is not even an argument.
@WolfeBear Now, if you would like to have a real debate with me about the issues involving this lifestyle, then I have no problem with that. So far, all you have done is complained about how bad your life is. Like I said, I would like to sympathize with you, but I can't do that until you stop the bigotry.
polyamory is bulshit!!! My ex dumped me and drove me out of hte bed when she finally got a job after five years, and I was injured and begining to loose my legs. Our son is now 7, in a mental hospital, and she had him on SSI too! Dopn't tell me ao ut what it is or isn't!! It's a way for old women to screw around on their husbands and men who reaally love them for theuir toy-boys.
@WolfeBear That's an unfortunate story, I'd like to be sympathetic toward you but obviously you've let your misfortune become a vessel of hatred toward others who you don't even understand. You've painted a whole group of people with the same brush, and it's inexcusable to me.
@obaeyens Not at all. Hey, just out of curiosity, did someone mention this series in a video or something? It's been getting more attention than usual today.
Yes it is always good that people are made aware (not convert) that other types of relationships exist. It is so hard to tell your friends or family that you are poly when they then run screaming away or get hysterical. LOL
In my case it was a discovery channel episode that clicked me into realizing that I was poly and my life changed so good. Your video can also help people to make the click. :-)
@obaeyens Yeah. I find it unfortunate that some otherwise intelligent people still condemn people with non-monogamous lifestyles because they think someone else's private lives threatens their own. How is that any different from homophobia?
I think anyone who feels that their relationship is in jeopardy because some people out there reject their version of sexuality have serious insecurities. It makes me wonder, when did "I love you" turn into "I own you"?
It is actually understandable. You live a happy monogamous life and suddenly you meet this poly person claiming that he has 2 other partners. So you get scared that your partner get the idea of also trying this. Or even worse try one of the poly females. You freak out.
It is funny but it is impossible to predict who will freak out and who not when you tell them. I see no relationship with intelligence, acting cool and being stable.
The single most biggest misunderstanding of polyamory is that you need sex to have a poly relationship. Sex is optional and not required in a poly relationship. But of cause if you have a relationship, chances is pretty high that you also will have sex. But the sex is not the driving force in being polyamore, love is.
What might have happened is that some new video's appeared, made people curious and end up on you link too. Or something in the media, paper, TV, making people google the word polyamory.
Why must everyone involved with this polyamory nonsense look like sluts? I mean, I understand they have to be sluts by definition, but you'd think you could at least find one spokesperson who could hide it.
Oh yes, I look like such a slut in my t-shirt, sitting in my dining room all alone. What's that I see? Is that EYELINER? Oh the shame. Please don't tell my parents. ::eye roll:: Apparently, I forgot that we live in the Victorian Era where a woman who is actually okay with the way she looks is considered a whore.
Your pathetic ad hominem speaks more than words about your inability to construct a decent argument. Don't waste my time.
Btw, not even a polyamorist. You fail on every level.
Thanks for the video. :o) 'many loves' seems meant to describe a freethinking liberal act of satisfying one's atypical need for psychological comfort, physical affection, and the security of both the body and the mind. This seems meant to apply only to those individuals who desire a life partner (or many). This does not seem meant to apply to hermits or solitary nomads. And, yes, those exist in & around modern society. I have a response to your video in the works.
I don't totally agree with the part on jealousy. I was a very jealous person when I was monogamous but literally the second I realized I was poly (though didn't know there was a word for it at the time) the emotion of jealousy simply vanished for me and I have never experienced it since. I simply see no reason for it at all.
That's great. I do get jealous sometimes in my relationship, not about other girls, but about silly things like how much time he spends doing other things rather than with me. But since I've been a part of the AL community I've spoken at length with a lot of poly people. So I've learned to recognize that jealousy is a problem within myself. I can't blame him or expect him to change because I am insecure. That's really selfish.
I find it's just impossible to be jealous when I am loved by so many people. I just feel so emotionally 'filled up' all the time I never feel alone or insecure, quite overwhelming at first when I wasn't used to it.
I've had a lot of experience with bipolar and even come up with some treatments for it so they are mostly under control, it's just sometimes one will hit a trigger and go off and that will set the other one off then they feed off each other and escalate which sucks but doesn't happen often.
Thanks for answering (and thanks for subscribing). Maybe in the future (if you're interested) we could collaborate on a video...like an interview or something.
Always happy to answer questions, I didn't discover poly until I was 36 and wish I had known about it much sooner so I try to get the word out as much as I can.
I also advise couples considering opening up their relationship or in the process of doing on do's and don'ts so can help shed some light in that area as well.
Awesome. I'll try to think of a bunch of questions and maybe we can record an audio interview on skype or do a blogtv session. Maybe we can get your channel a little more exposed in the process.
I can feel the love... Actually, I've argued this with my wife, but it's difficult, because she thinks that the relationship that I want. It's not that she's unintelligent, but can be hard-headed about some things. I don't really blame her though, because I was that was at one time, nor do I expect her to change. I do argue against any myths when she brings them up though. She currently avoids these subjects though, and that's fine with me...
It's incredibly difficult for people who grew up wanting a white wedding and a white picket fence to understand how people could want something like polyamory. The best thing you can tell her is that some people don't believe that relationships are about one person belonging to another person, that love is something people should be allowed to feel abundantly from whoever they want.
Like I have often said, being a victim myself, polyamory is the final closet. Whilst homosexuality slowly gets more and more accepted, Polyamory is still a much maligned section of society, even more surprisingly by the so called "free thinkers" I have tried to talk about it with.
For people who claim to be free thinkers, many of them still have a monotheistic and objective moral approach as to how relationships should function. Perhaps more narrow minded than they care to admit.
I wouldn't say the final closet, we have to push for rights for transgenders/genderqueers too. In many ways they can be considered more victimized than gays.
I find that most of the people perpetrating these stereotypes are people who are very insecure about their own relationships. The thing I hear the most is "jealousy". Well yeah, sometimes there is jealousy but jealousy stems from insecurity within yourself and is something you should work through in both mono and nonmono relationships.
Well, don't feel bad. I grew up a half mile from UCLA, and have been a fan of their sports teams, gone to the hospital there, daughter born there, etc. so I've got reason to know the diff. :)
Be proud of who you are, no matter what that encompasses! In the end it's not going to matter who you loved or how many people you loved, but how much you loved. :)
Okay well I'm not really polyamorous, but I am interested in it, who knows, maybe some day. But I am glad that you're doing these videos, I think it's an important topic.
Good job with your video. Polyamory is both good and full of love and honesty. Diversity in society is a moral standard upon which civilization is based. Polyamory is part of that diversity. Thanks so much for your timely and ethics-based input.
Timotheus157 1 month ago
polyamory is WRONG!!
it is either multiamory or polyphilia, but mixing greek and latin roots is wrong!
37butterflyprincess 2 months ago
i'm very interested in this type of relation ship i just want to shop aroun for the right relation ship before i decide on the ones thay must keep a open mind and must be a clean person or persons.interested in this wright me and lets us know. you are a pretty girl and i hope love finds you.
100nickalus 6 months ago
it's no crime, english is a blend mostly of both latin and greek roots, prefixes, and suffixes.
macelius 8 months ago
I have got to be honest... throughout myself I have managed to open my mind to homosexuality, transexuallity, bi, pan... but Polyamory is the one thing I cannot wrap my head around. I just can't understand it, being monogamous myself. I can't see it as more than an excuse to indulge, be it sexual or boredom. honestly if my bf were to dare fall in love with someone else I would be hurt and feel abandoned. I'd feel guilty doing it myself. Maybe that's why I don't understand. It's engrained in me.
TheOneWingedBird 8 months ago
@TheOneWingedBird Well, it's good that you're able to realize that, at least. I think maybe it would help if you don't personalize the situation. In the scenario you mentioned it wouldn't actually be considered polyamory because you do not consent to it.
Part of the problem is that modern relationships are based on ownership of one another. Think of what we say to each other "you are mine" "we were made for each other" "do you take this man/woman, to have and to hold" It is ingrained in us.
artemisfair 8 months ago
@artemisfair lol I like those phrases though. "we were made for each other" is my favorite. But not "do you take this man/woman..." because I don't like the wedding speech much.
But I'm pretty sure that ownership in relationships has been around forever, if you look at history. I don't think it's a "modern" thing- as a matter of fact, I think it used to be a lot worse. And it doesn't have to be monogamous, think of historical men who had all the rights and owned several wives.
TheOneWingedBird 8 months ago
@TheOneWingedBird You're right, I misspoke. I'm not getting enough sleep lately lol. Marriage has always been about ownership, especially toward females. The point is, I think we should be moving away from this model. We like to consider ourselves more enlightened than we used to be, and yet we have these antiquated ideals about love and relationships. This doesn't have to naturally lead to polyamory, but trust should be understood to be the foundation for a good long-lasting relationship.
artemisfair 8 months ago
@artemisfair True, I myself don't hold a strong belief in marriage, because I see dishonesty in lots of them. What I believe is a committed long-term & monogamous relationship.
I don't agree with the lifestyle of polyamory, but not because of marriage or religious reasons. I just have different viewpoints when it comes to love & sex I guess, I find that it needs to be something special between 2 ppl. However, I dont discriminate against people because they are polyamorists. I only dissagree.
TheOneWingedBird 8 months ago
@TheOneWingedBird Are you seeking validation for your position?
artemisfair 8 months ago
@artemisfair No, I just thought I'd bring my views into your opinion on marriage and society....my bad.
TheOneWingedBird 8 months ago
@TheOneWingedBird Not at all, and sorry if that came off the wrong way. What I meant by that is to remind you that my approval is not the one you should be seeking and even if it were we can agree to disagree.
artemisfair 8 months ago
@artemisfair I don't care about your agreement I just didn't want you pissed because honestly I get into youtube wars very easily and I don't need to start a new one. That's all.
TheOneWingedBird 8 months ago
When I talk with people about polyamory the first reactions I get are often about cheating, sexuality,...
And me being a polyamorist, well that annoys me greatly.
Basicly what you said is all I agree with
ArnacMGS 9 months ago
You're beautiful as well as your definition and video.
OneShamelessKid 10 months ago
@OneShamelessKid Gratzi. :)
artemisfair 10 months ago
Heh...Lots of yelling *eye roll*. I was reading something about a polyamorous relationship (four way committed relationship) and decided to look further into it just to kind of acquaint myself with the...Subject? I don't know but anyway you explained it really well so thanks! :) And I personally like the 'Lot's of love' idea lol :)
BuffynFaith16 10 months ago
@BuffynFaith16 There always seems to be yelling where someone else's bedroom life is involved. :-P Glad you liked the video. I appreciate the feedback.
artemisfair 10 months ago
I like how it's slightly autistic out of shape nerd girls that without the saving grace of Multiamory or otherwise you wouldn't get laid, let alone be desired.
Your just being used. Then again you like it, otherwise if you didn't throw yourself down as a rug, you'd never get anyone using you to wipe your feet with.
totenkray 10 months ago
@totenkray Not here to impress you, first of all. Second of all I'm in a long-term monogamous relationship, have never been polyamorous, I just support love of all kinds. Now kindly fall off a building.
artemisfair 10 months ago 7
ive stumble on "POLY-AMORY" and read on the topic of the subject with and openmind?Ive always found myself in relationships where ive been HONEST ABOUT MY FEELINGS WITH WHOM IM WITH?I NOT A JEALOUS PERSON?BUT I DO FIND MYSELF IN LOVE WITH DIFFERENT WOMEN THAT I CONECT WITH ON MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS MORE THAN JUST SEX?MOST OF THE WOMEN I DATE HAPPEN TOBE BI SEXUAL?THEY ALL SAY SAMETHING ABOUT HOW I MAKE THEM FEEL?SO WHATS THE PROBLEM?THEY ALWAYS THINK THAT THE OTHER FEMALE WILL TAKE ME AWAY FROM
TheGreatDenouncer 1 year ago
@TheGreatDenouncer Why are you yelling? If you watch my video you'll see I agree with you.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair I was yelling because of the JEALOUSY AND ENVY people love to show? it's a mental cancer and bad for your health?Im a Zealous person which is very different from jealousy and envy?I just have a very caring nature by heart?So im just intune with my feelings and i don't hide that for no one not even myself?OPENMINDEDNESS IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING?THE COMPLEX-THE PERPLEX-THE SIMPLEX? but you do make very valid points...
TheGreatDenouncer 1 year ago
Nice video, and while its a bit late I'd like to say just ignore the idiots that can't just say 'its not for me, but cool' and move on. Also on the slut comment I'd have to say that personally your gorgeous.
DarkCraft41 1 year ago
@DarkCraft41 I'm glad you liked the video and thanks for the compliment. :) Maybe one day I'll get around to making these damn things again. lol
artemisfair 1 year ago
Naaaah its not lots of love. You only want this if you dont really love anyone. It typically happens after a hard love affair issue, especially if your heart have been broken. I'm really not a narrowed-mind person.
In the end the first thing that you could obtain its a mad jelaousy!! Becuz that's not what you can control about your feelings. And that's what truely is beautiful and special, uncontrollable feelings.
pescecan8 1 year ago
Sorry, I don't agree. I find it disturbing that anyone would suggest insecurity is "beautiful." Personally, I find jealousy repulsive, even as a monogamous person.
You make a lot of blanket-statements, which IS very narrow-minded of you. It's no different than saying that gay or interracial relationships won't work, and it probably comes from a place of insecurity within yourself.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair YOU just mentioned racial and homosexual issues, I didnt.
If you thought about that, then YOU have problems of discrimination. I was only talking for my oen experience, doesnt mean I dont wanna respect yours.
Plus, dont use the word DISTURBING, and sont be so mad...do you feel attack?
well feeling attacked when youre not, THIS looks like insicurity to me!
I personally think that a bit of jelaousy is sane...and there is nothing more SURE then my feelings when I LOVE one! :).
pescecan8 1 year ago
No, I'm not angry. I apologize if what I said hurt your feelings, but I'm not sure where you got the idea that my intention was to spare them. What you said was bigoted, and I said so. You are entitled to your own opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend it's valid.
My comparison was accurate. Polyamorous people are discriminated against and judged in the same ways that homosexual and interracial couples have been, and by the same kind of people: ones who can't mind their own business.
artemisfair 1 year ago
Sorry, I don't know what other word besides "disturbing" I can use to describe an ideology where it is both "sane" and "beautiful" to feel that you possess another human being, much less one that will not offend you. As an individualist, I do not see any merit in the "better half" idea of romance. It's cute, but in reality, a successful relationship is made up of two whole people, not two paranoid, codependent, scent-marking halves. Love is not calling dibs, it's trust, friendship and loyalty.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair jealousy can be connected with insecurity, but in this case there isnt really any real love. It's just an ego stuff I think.
Anyway I found your answer aggressive, becuz If I were you, I would thank everyone who have paid attention on your video, and even wrote some comments to have some confrontation about this topic.
I had myself a lot of different experiences, girls,boys, serial dating, triangles, and now I just feel that love is a quality not quantity.Just my idea,that's all
pescecan8 1 year ago
I do appreciate political discourse, but I also feel some things should not need to be debated at this point. Example: I am more than willing to debate with you why I feel that consenting adults should be able to marry whichever consenting adults they want. You may agree with me, but when you qualify that statement with "but I don't think this type of love is valid" I get frustrated and want to quit. Prejudice is what keeps the Human Rights from being actualized.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair that's ok, I'm convinced that we're both open-minded persons after all, and we both have our own reasons so say what is good 4 ourselves. But you're still mistaking if you keep on saying that I have prejudice, mine is OPINION after personal experience not PREJUDICE. Bye
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monica47nhgbs 1 year ago
MY BIGOTRY??? How the hel you get that??? Now you're reachinig flr reasonis to c ondemn me. maybe if you're using something hienlien Re-created you should read asbout it, and don/t forget "The Moon is a harsh mistress". most of that "line marriage": swould have been members of the Tea Party. Obviouslyyou have no real working knowledge of what I'm talkinig about. i hiope you find out in your future life how it bfeels to be betrayed and have no where to turn. SHE lied, used Poly to get rid of
WolfeBear 1 year ago
@WolfeBear
That's it. I have no more patience for you. Yes. Your bigotry. That's what it's called when you use your own prejudices against an entire group of people. As for the rest of your comment, due to your lack of syntax, I have no idea what your talking about. Seriously, I'm not being rude here, but you should learn to compose a sentence before you start pulling this stupidity in a public forum.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@WolfeBear
And I have read Heinlein. You'll find that people other than bitter old men are well-read, shocking right? But that's really besides the point, because if you watched my video you'd know I'm not "using" polyamory. I'm a monogamous woman who is an activist for the alternative lifestyles community. Obviously you have no basis to judge what I have a working knowledge of. I would like to wish horrible things upon you as well, but I'm not a dickhead so I won't.
artemisfair 1 year ago
I was onmce a supporter of C.A.W.; I waite 35 - plus years to be nested; "she' didn't take it seriously; i.e. nothing to her. When you love someoone even if it's in a poly you don't push them (and your chi.d) away fromo you, and that's being polite. The low-life scum she's dating (now) is big in the C.A.W., has no idea what she's really like, and doesn't care she used poly to screw me over for almost cour years, and doesn't seem to know or mind she's a lousey mother!!! you're too young.
WolfeBear 1 year ago
@WolfeBear
1st of all, I haven't said anything about Church of All Worlds. I find it to be a fanciful delusion.
2nd of all, I'm old enough to be able to tell that the woman you were with moved on. It happens. Love doesn't always last forever. Maybe you should try to better yourself rather than slandering her on some strangers youtube comments section.
3rd of all, "I'm older, therefore I know better" is not convincing, is not even an argument.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@WolfeBear Now, if you would like to have a real debate with me about the issues involving this lifestyle, then I have no problem with that. So far, all you have done is complained about how bad your life is. Like I said, I would like to sympathize with you, but I can't do that until you stop the bigotry.
artemisfair 1 year ago
polyamory is bulshit!!! My ex dumped me and drove me out of hte bed when she finally got a job after five years, and I was injured and begining to loose my legs. Our son is now 7, in a mental hospital, and she had him on SSI too! Dopn't tell me ao ut what it is or isn't!! It's a way for old women to screw around on their husbands and men who reaally love them for theuir toy-boys.
WolfeBear 1 year ago
@WolfeBear That's an unfortunate story, I'd like to be sympathetic toward you but obviously you've let your misfortune become a vessel of hatred toward others who you don't even understand. You've painted a whole group of people with the same brush, and it's inexcusable to me.
artemisfair 1 year ago
Thank you for the video, I love it.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@obaeyens Not at all. Hey, just out of curiosity, did someone mention this series in a video or something? It's been getting more attention than usual today.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair
I don't know, I just pressed the links and accidentally ended up here.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@obaeyens Ah ok. Glad you liked them anyway. :)
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair
Yes it is always good that people are made aware (not convert) that other types of relationships exist. It is so hard to tell your friends or family that you are poly when they then run screaming away or get hysterical. LOL
In my case it was a discovery channel episode that clicked me into realizing that I was poly and my life changed so good. Your video can also help people to make the click. :-)
obaeyens 1 year ago
@obaeyens Yeah. I find it unfortunate that some otherwise intelligent people still condemn people with non-monogamous lifestyles because they think someone else's private lives threatens their own. How is that any different from homophobia?
I think anyone who feels that their relationship is in jeopardy because some people out there reject their version of sexuality have serious insecurities. It makes me wonder, when did "I love you" turn into "I own you"?
artemisfair 1 year ago
@artemisfair
It is actually understandable. You live a happy monogamous life and suddenly you meet this poly person claiming that he has 2 other partners. So you get scared that your partner get the idea of also trying this. Or even worse try one of the poly females. You freak out.
It is funny but it is impossible to predict who will freak out and who not when you tell them. I see no relationship with intelligence, acting cool and being stable.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@artemisfair
The single most biggest misunderstanding of polyamory is that you need sex to have a poly relationship. Sex is optional and not required in a poly relationship. But of cause if you have a relationship, chances is pretty high that you also will have sex. But the sex is not the driving force in being polyamore, love is.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@artemisfair
What might have happened is that some new video's appeared, made people curious and end up on you link too. Or something in the media, paper, TV, making people google the word polyamory.
obaeyens 1 year ago
Why must everyone involved with this polyamory nonsense look like sluts? I mean, I understand they have to be sluts by definition, but you'd think you could at least find one spokesperson who could hide it.
mwtillotson 1 year ago
Oh yes, I look like such a slut in my t-shirt, sitting in my dining room all alone. What's that I see? Is that EYELINER? Oh the shame. Please don't tell my parents. ::eye roll:: Apparently, I forgot that we live in the Victorian Era where a woman who is actually okay with the way she looks is considered a whore.
Your pathetic ad hominem speaks more than words about your inability to construct a decent argument. Don't waste my time.
Btw, not even a polyamorist. You fail on every level.
artemisfair 1 year ago
@mwtillotson
"I mean, I understand they have to be sluts by definition,"
wooooo you are so wring in this. There are far less sluts in polyamory than monogamy, just go to any bar those are all monogamous!
obaeyens 1 year ago
Great video. They have a great poly community here in Chicago, that I'm getting more involved in.
MaconWall 1 year ago
Thanks for the video. :o) 'many loves' seems meant to describe a freethinking liberal act of satisfying one's atypical need for psychological comfort, physical affection, and the security of both the body and the mind. This seems meant to apply only to those individuals who desire a life partner (or many). This does not seem meant to apply to hermits or solitary nomads. And, yes, those exist in & around modern society. I have a response to your video in the works.
Daveyohwhat 2 years ago
@Daveyohwhat I should have said "liberated act", as I don't want to confuse any political connotation(s) into this discussion.
Daveyohwhat 2 years ago
No problem. Can't wait to see your response.
artemisfair 2 years ago
I don't totally agree with the part on jealousy. I was a very jealous person when I was monogamous but literally the second I realized I was poly (though didn't know there was a word for it at the time) the emotion of jealousy simply vanished for me and I have never experienced it since. I simply see no reason for it at all.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
That's great. I do get jealous sometimes in my relationship, not about other girls, but about silly things like how much time he spends doing other things rather than with me. But since I've been a part of the AL community I've spoken at length with a lot of poly people. So I've learned to recognize that jealousy is a problem within myself. I can't blame him or expect him to change because I am insecure. That's really selfish.
artemisfair 2 years ago
I find it's just impossible to be jealous when I am loved by so many people. I just feel so emotionally 'filled up' all the time I never feel alone or insecure, quite overwhelming at first when I wasn't used to it.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
Sounds wonderful. Must give you a lot of confidence.
artemisfair 2 years ago
Yeah but my partners don't let me get a swelled head, hard to be cocky surrounded by women with sharp tongues, :)
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
Oh yeah, forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that they were bipolar? What's that like?
artemisfair 2 years ago
I've had a lot of experience with bipolar and even come up with some treatments for it so they are mostly under control, it's just sometimes one will hit a trigger and go off and that will set the other one off then they feed off each other and escalate which sucks but doesn't happen often.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
Thanks for answering (and thanks for subscribing). Maybe in the future (if you're interested) we could collaborate on a video...like an interview or something.
artemisfair 2 years ago
Always happy to answer questions, I didn't discover poly until I was 36 and wish I had known about it much sooner so I try to get the word out as much as I can.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
I also advise couples considering opening up their relationship or in the process of doing on do's and don'ts so can help shed some light in that area as well.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
Awesome. I'll try to think of a bunch of questions and maybe we can record an audio interview on skype or do a blogtv session. Maybe we can get your channel a little more exposed in the process.
artemisfair 2 years ago
Sounds like fun.
FlyingFree333 2 years ago
I might make a vid response to this.
Great video. :)
AtheistBrit 2 years ago
I'd love to see it. :)
artemisfair 2 years ago
This is too funny... I am actually working on a video on this topic :) I'll post it as a response to you!
tattooskin72 2 years ago
I can feel the love... Actually, I've argued this with my wife, but it's difficult, because she thinks that the relationship that I want. It's not that she's unintelligent, but can be hard-headed about some things. I don't really blame her though, because I was that was at one time, nor do I expect her to change. I do argue against any myths when she brings them up though. She currently avoids these subjects though, and that's fine with me...
CraniumOnEmpty 2 years ago
It's incredibly difficult for people who grew up wanting a white wedding and a white picket fence to understand how people could want something like polyamory. The best thing you can tell her is that some people don't believe that relationships are about one person belonging to another person, that love is something people should be allowed to feel abundantly from whoever they want.
artemisfair 2 years ago
Like I have often said, being a victim myself, polyamory is the final closet. Whilst homosexuality slowly gets more and more accepted, Polyamory is still a much maligned section of society, even more surprisingly by the so called "free thinkers" I have tried to talk about it with.
For people who claim to be free thinkers, many of them still have a monotheistic and objective moral approach as to how relationships should function. Perhaps more narrow minded than they care to admit.
AsheIsTheRaven 2 years ago
I wouldn't say the final closet, we have to push for rights for transgenders/genderqueers too. In many ways they can be considered more victimized than gays.
I find that most of the people perpetrating these stereotypes are people who are very insecure about their own relationships. The thing I hear the most is "jealousy". Well yeah, sometimes there is jealousy but jealousy stems from insecurity within yourself and is something you should work through in both mono and nonmono relationships.
artemisfair 2 years ago
@artemisfair I have to agree
I think we have centuries of inbred taboo to overcome
AsheIsTheRaven 2 years ago
I think the media is to blame. It's like the white picket fence nuclear family is pushed on us and many people just accept it without question.
artemisfair 2 years ago
Agreed. I was raised in just such a family (happily, thankfully!) but have since discovered that there are many other ways of "doing life". :)
I'll work on that response later.
AtheistBrit 2 years ago
I would, of course, defend ANYONE'S right to such a relationship and find it incredible that they don't have the legal rights of others. Outrageous.
By the way - it's ACLU not UCLA (a university)! No biggie though. I'm sure everyone GETS what you are saying! ; )
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
Haha oops. Apparently, I am cixelsyd.
Yes, outrageous and revolting.
artemisfair 2 years ago
// cixelsyd //
LOL!!
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
And I always get those two confused anyway, so there really wasn't much of a chance for me getting it right. Rofl. :)
artemisfair 2 years ago
Well, don't feel bad. I grew up a half mile from UCLA, and have been a fan of their sports teams, gone to the hospital there, daughter born there, etc. so I've got reason to know the diff. :)
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
Woo! Poly pride!
seriouslymatsteele 2 years ago
Be proud of who you are, no matter what that encompasses! In the end it's not going to matter who you loved or how many people you loved, but how much you loved. :)
artemisfair 2 years ago
Okay well I'm not really polyamorous, but I am interested in it, who knows, maybe some day. But I am glad that you're doing these videos, I think it's an important topic.
seriouslymatsteele 2 years ago
Neither am I, and thanks. :)
artemisfair 2 years ago
so cool 8)
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
Thanks :)
artemisfair 2 years ago