This singer is stupid, how's he gonna write a song about being in combat without even being in ANY branch of the Military. We don't go around shooting citizens like he makes it out to be. If they have a gun and there about to shoot, then it's them or us. We don't beat prisoners of war unless they have information we need. Nor do we go into random houses grabbing people for no fucking reason they ethier are or are involved in terrorism.
@nickisking11 I know im not going to argue with you about this topic because this is something you wont argue about, but there is prove that some people in this countries was set in prison and was victimes of torturing. I know that many americans and other military members are not like this, but you cant deny that you have seen anything that happens in war
@klypemedsalt The point I'm trying to make is that the song, along with news reporters make it out that we kill random citizens. Now yes, their are corrupt people in the world, even in the Military. But why are American news reporters so anti-America? It's not like everyone is this way. Never the less people who say they never wanted this war are all bullshiting. I remember being on base on 9/11 and almost every citizen supported are reasoning to end terrorism.
nice video but i think u make the americans look bad when you show them doing bad stuff to prisnors, i know it happens but thats because thier terroists and if it were them with the american as prisnor they would saw his head off, so i'm just saying those pics and that part of the song is just shitting on our guys
how could you say that American soldiers have died from these assholes, they sent us video's of them sawing american's heads off, this shit is real. if you real belive that then how do you know that we really tortured terroists? both sides r guilty but in the end of the day we do it to protect innocents, terroists do it kill innocents
this song is about the futility of war in general. there are bad people on both sides. but the troops have been sent there by uncaring governments who do not really give a damn about the country they are supposed to be 'liberating.' it is sad for everyone. innocents living there being killed by the war, the families of the soldiers killed..even the terrorists are only that way because of horrific injustices suffered by their people.
Our government sent us into these wars for our national secruity and in the end we liberated both from the oppresive rulers of saddam and the taliban, the locals love us over there because we protect them and gave them freedom, meanwhile the terroists seem to like the way things were before and attack americans for it. they don't care if they wipe innocents, so it is clear who the good guys are in this case. we r not allowed to kill innocents under the rules of engagement.
embarking on these illegal wars made the risk of terror attack MORE LIKELY in england, hence 7/7. the locals DO NOT love us, they hate us. things have got worse since the war. 1 million iraqi CITIZENS are dead. tony blair has admitted this week that he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. we were LIED TO. do you really thing 'the rules of engagement' bother the people in charge of these wars. the wars are ILLEGAL. they DO NOT CARE about international law.
mcozins i've talked to soldiers and marines who served in these countries and the locals love them there and there being held back by the rules of engagemnt while the enemy is not and weapons were found in iraq they were just not allowed to report them so check your sources mate and besides if we didn't go into afganstan terroists would have been attacking us left and rite both england and the US. we went to afganistan to disrupt alquida base of ops and we did that, stop complaing
no weapons were found in iraq. why would they not be able to report them? that possible justification could exist for that?
going to war has only increased the schism between the muslim world and the west. 911 happened because the US supports israel in its illegal occupation of palestine. the US pays for, arms and organises this oppression. there is NO PROOF that bin laden of the taliban were behind 911. the bombers were for the most part saudi arabian. the wars were based on a pack of lies.
looks like someone is listening to too much liberal bullshit or is worshipping muhammeds evil twin because we were attacked by islamic radicals on 9/11 not anyone else they were sent by osama bin laden get over it. the US supports isarel because its the only country over there that is doing the rite thing by having a democracy and the insane palestines are killing innocents because of it we r not the oppressors here. get your sources rite
Its funny how in the US they all think that Iraqis dont want us there. The Iraqi government, police, and army want us in Iraq. The police and iraqi army loves US troops because we do their job for them. When you talk about the US pulling out Iraqi politicians get mad and frightened, they want us to stay
Imagine you would be born in your enemy's counry instead, had grown up there, had become friends with people from there and you would be going into war against the country you are actually living in.
This is so stupid. When you fight, fight for your own opinion, your own ideas or your own family. But not for some country that you happen to be born in and that says you who to kill. Seriously!
when you fight, u fight for your country and it's citzens freedom, u fight because u love your country and you will be willing to die for it and he addresses that in the song when he say's he'll carry that flag to the grave if he must, because it's flag that i love
Yep, again it is the rock/punk bands that make the best ballads (remember Green Day's Good Riddance ?).
Most of their songs however are way more raw. There is an acoustic version of Everchaging on iTunes that you might like. Also Roadside might appeal to you as well. Swing life away is pretty mellow as well.
yesterday 3 german soldiers were killed by an taliban attack again. 1 of them came from the town where i live. there are a lot of american and european soldiers fighting in countries we dont even have to care about, but we still continue and we allways will do until these countries can live in peace
for all of you out there burning the flag of our country and laughing while u do it remeber there are soldiers dying so u can have that right and if u still fill good please burn in hell
Im a grown man but im not afraid to admit that the picture of the family at 3:38 really tore me up I couldn't keep the tears from streaming down my face. War is hell!
@bergy45 Fuck you bro, grow some balls and go over seas were the fucking reason your sitting your ass on the computer and you wanna sit here and critize. Without us where's your freedom? Remeber why were over there? Think a couple more planes going into buildings will remind you. Were not terrorist we dont beat the shit out of randoms. People think we do cause this kid singing a song said we do. Think the lead singer was EVER in combat? No he wasnt. Join the Marines and that'll change your view
its nice... great .... shows.... army figures... its just sad how u show like all the evil killings and all the .... deaths.... its soo true to..how . kids , wives, friends losing there best closest pals,realitves, heros, for the rest of us? i say we shud show more RESPECT to the army this video almost made me cry 5/5 fav sub thanks
no dude he's right. our attitude is if you don't do everything the way we want, we'll come into your country and kill you. it's said. and i even live here
Agreed except our soldiers arn't fighting for Bush, their fighting for their country, and well we can't even walk into people's countries and kill them because the UN is opposed of that, the only reason why the war in Iraq happened was because Bush thought of a way to get into Iraq and his wish got granted in 911 and Bin Laden, so he has a reason to invade. The UN won't let USA wage wars anywhere, but Iraq is already in war they can't pull out.
i'm not disrespecting them. i'm saying if you join the army. um don't complain. cause it's kinda obvious what's gonna happen. and i'm not one of those people that go around saying all those things about 'dead soldiers' and stuff, but i don't support what they fight for. because fighting's not a solution. it's prolonging the problem. because no one gives up nicely. the give up, then plan their come back. it's human nature
Human nature, human nature is to cause war, we're the only ones who start wars, and soldiers sign up fighting sure, they have the chance of death, but they don't do it for their own gain, most join to have money cause they can't get hired, or they do it for their country. War increases technology. Internet created for military. Same with the computer, war is never for no cause, always some good comes out of it, Ying Yang effect.
war does not increase technology, science does. the impetus for creating this technology would simply be changed.
death of our own citizens as well as those of other nations is not a reasonable price for these inventions.
the idea of war is so childish it's stupid to say good comes out of it other than a false feeling of justice and an elementary retributive mindset spurred by society's 'orthodox' behavior.
never said war is good, also war doesn't do anything instead of technology increasing that's it, nothing else, but my point i was trying to make was USA isn't the new Nazi's like the first persons post.
we invade other countries. we believe we are the greatest country. we're very intolerant even if people like to believe we're not. and everyone who isn't exactly like us is wrong and we 'fix it.'
in a very minimalist version of the meaning of nazi. we are.
in the sense of imperialism, egotism and bigotry. and they're all connected
his dad died because he joined the army. you don't think there was a risk of him dieing anyway? i'm not supporting bush. but if you join a proffessional army, then you're kinda in jeopardy. i'm tired of people saying this war is bullshit, when all war is bullshit. "oh i know what we can do to solve our problems. i try to kill you and you try to kill me! last one standing wins. what a fun game'
I couldnt put it any better then joshdadude that was really what was what rise against was really trying to tell kids and families of what war really is.............
dude... throw yourself out your car xD That CD is worth a million with their songs on it! Rise Against is soooo nice :D Totally not stereotype... just reading the lyrics will make you fall in love ^^
First of all don't pollute ^^, also most soldiers don't care what they do to people in the opposing country, they're there friends dying so they wanna do as much damage to them as "revenge" type deal, my cousin has served 5 years, and he can't get over the fact that his best friend died beside me. My cousin said they do some brutal things to people who are opposing them.
im not trying to give you shit about your video because its very good regardless from what im going to say. but the flag he sings about isn't the american flag. its the white flag the woman was holding that he shot and killed. you have to listen to the last verse and chorus
This singer is stupid, how's he gonna write a song about being in combat without even being in ANY branch of the Military. We don't go around shooting citizens like he makes it out to be. If they have a gun and there about to shoot, then it's them or us. We don't beat prisoners of war unless they have information we need. Nor do we go into random houses grabbing people for no fucking reason they ethier are or are involved in terrorism.
- Semper Fi
nickisking11 1 year ago
@nickisking11 I know im not going to argue with you about this topic because this is something you wont argue about, but there is prove that some people in this countries was set in prison and was victimes of torturing. I know that many americans and other military members are not like this, but you cant deny that you have seen anything that happens in war
klypemedsalt 1 year ago
@klypemedsalt The point I'm trying to make is that the song, along with news reporters make it out that we kill random citizens. Now yes, their are corrupt people in the world, even in the Military. But why are American news reporters so anti-America? It's not like everyone is this way. Never the less people who say they never wanted this war are all bullshiting. I remember being on base on 9/11 and almost every citizen supported are reasoning to end terrorism.
-SSgt Jones
nickisking11 11 months ago
this made me cry, i lost my boyfriend of 8 years in the army,
XxBetterOfCryingxX 1 year ago
@XxBetterOfCryingxX Sorry .. =/
bleu12bleu12 1 year ago
fuck of wonworld police usa . fight for oil and blooddollar´s again
kebapkotze 1 year ago
very good vid
gsg9freak1 1 year ago
Oh no! The doggies are barking at the murderors and terrorists! Poor babies!
Armyscout1979 2 years ago
nice video but i think u make the americans look bad when you show them doing bad stuff to prisnors, i know it happens but thats because thier terroists and if it were them with the american as prisnor they would saw his head off, so i'm just saying those pics and that part of the song is just shitting on our guys
grahamshark1 2 years ago
how do you know that they would saw their head of? just because you have heard things doesnt mean that they are real.
rezenger 2 years ago
how could you say that American soldiers have died from these assholes, they sent us video's of them sawing american's heads off, this shit is real. if you real belive that then how do you know that we really tortured terroists? both sides r guilty but in the end of the day we do it to protect innocents, terroists do it kill innocents
fsxaviator 2 years ago 2
this song is about the futility of war in general. there are bad people on both sides. but the troops have been sent there by uncaring governments who do not really give a damn about the country they are supposed to be 'liberating.' it is sad for everyone. innocents living there being killed by the war, the families of the soldiers killed..even the terrorists are only that way because of horrific injustices suffered by their people.
mcozins 2 years ago
Our government sent us into these wars for our national secruity and in the end we liberated both from the oppresive rulers of saddam and the taliban, the locals love us over there because we protect them and gave them freedom, meanwhile the terroists seem to like the way things were before and attack americans for it. they don't care if they wipe innocents, so it is clear who the good guys are in this case. we r not allowed to kill innocents under the rules of engagement.
Infantryman2012 2 years ago
embarking on these illegal wars made the risk of terror attack MORE LIKELY in england, hence 7/7. the locals DO NOT love us, they hate us. things have got worse since the war. 1 million iraqi CITIZENS are dead. tony blair has admitted this week that he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. we were LIED TO. do you really thing 'the rules of engagement' bother the people in charge of these wars. the wars are ILLEGAL. they DO NOT CARE about international law.
mcozins 2 years ago
mcozins i've talked to soldiers and marines who served in these countries and the locals love them there and there being held back by the rules of engagemnt while the enemy is not and weapons were found in iraq they were just not allowed to report them so check your sources mate and besides if we didn't go into afganstan terroists would have been attacking us left and rite both england and the US. we went to afganistan to disrupt alquida base of ops and we did that, stop complaing
Infantryman2012 2 years ago
no weapons were found in iraq. why would they not be able to report them? that possible justification could exist for that?
going to war has only increased the schism between the muslim world and the west. 911 happened because the US supports israel in its illegal occupation of palestine. the US pays for, arms and organises this oppression. there is NO PROOF that bin laden of the taliban were behind 911. the bombers were for the most part saudi arabian. the wars were based on a pack of lies.
mcozins 2 years ago
looks like someone is listening to too much liberal bullshit or is worshipping muhammeds evil twin because we were attacked by islamic radicals on 9/11 not anyone else they were sent by osama bin laden get over it. the US supports isarel because its the only country over there that is doing the rite thing by having a democracy and the insane palestines are killing innocents because of it we r not the oppressors here. get your sources rite
Infantryman2012 2 years ago
Iraqis love us.
Armyscout1979 2 years ago
@Armyscout1979 prove it
TwinSnake777 1 year ago
Radical Muslims would hate you if you were at war with them or not.
Armyscout1979 2 years ago
Its funny how in the US they all think that Iraqis dont want us there. The Iraqi government, police, and army want us in Iraq. The police and iraqi army loves US troops because we do their job for them. When you talk about the US pulling out Iraqi politicians get mad and frightened, they want us to stay
Armyscout1979 2 years ago
thank you, someone who finally knows what they r talking about.
ps thank you for your service
Infantryman2012 2 years ago
Imagine you would be born in your enemy's counry instead, had grown up there, had become friends with people from there and you would be going into war against the country you are actually living in.
This is so stupid. When you fight, fight for your own opinion, your own ideas or your own family. But not for some country that you happen to be born in and that says you who to kill. Seriously!
timsr 2 years ago
this is it
Baustellarbeiter 2 years ago
when you fight, u fight for your country and it's citzens freedom, u fight because u love your country and you will be willing to die for it and he addresses that in the song when he say's he'll carry that flag to the grave if he must, because it's flag that i love
Infantryman2012 2 years ago
He also says we piss on, beat, and kill people for no reason. Fuck this rich spoiled sheltered singer.
Armyscout1979 2 years ago 2
@Armyscout1979 *coughs* i know that this is six years old, but u still made me need to talk up.
tim never said you (the soldiers) ever killed anyone for no reason, but because they had to. the bit with the woman being shot, it was his orders
many iraqi pow are badly treaten. the singer may be exággerating a bit and talking and certain cases, but hes not lying
to call the singer spoilt and rich is wrong. he does so much for so many causes that spoilt is his oppisite. i canot rite more, though
LinkinParkFreak9 1 year ago
Nice, I didn't know Rise Against were actually any good. Do they have any more songs like this?
F0rtn0x 2 years ago
They have very match good song, but not all are like this song.
They have in their repertoire and harder pieces, but very nice.
e.g.: Give It All, Injection, Dancing for Rain, Swing Life Away, Roadside, Whereabouts Unknown; and other.
Dobimaster 2 years ago
@Dobimaster Roadside is the best.
mattaxtell 1 year ago
@F0rtn0x yes collapse and re education through labor
NathanielBolt 2 years ago
Yep, again it is the rock/punk bands that make the best ballads (remember Green Day's Good Riddance ?).
Most of their songs however are way more raw. There is an acoustic version of Everchaging on iTunes that you might like. Also Roadside might appeal to you as well. Swing life away is pretty mellow as well.
deVosNL 2 years ago
this video im so amazing and heart breaking my father was in gulf war he seaver 8 year when hecame back he was a diffrent man
MrCharliechuck 2 years ago 2
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MrCharliechuck 2 years ago
this video is so powerful and ofcourse sad in the same time 5/5 nice vid man! :)
seraf159357 2 years ago
yesterday 3 german soldiers were killed by an taliban attack again. 1 of them came from the town where i live. there are a lot of american and european soldiers fighting in countries we dont even have to care about, but we still continue and we allways will do until these countries can live in peace
bushidokid123 2 years ago 2
for all of you out there burning the flag of our country and laughing while u do it remeber there are soldiers dying so u can have that right and if u still fill good please burn in hell
awoken17 2 years ago 4
nice
dorissenwouter 2 years ago
the picture at 3:38.
oh god.
i dont think i can look at that again.
i couldnt help the tears that fell.
griffindor75 2 years ago
this is just amazing i am subsribing
2332sbh 2 years ago
Im a grown man but im not afraid to admit that the picture of the family at 3:38 really tore me up I couldn't keep the tears from streaming down my face. War is hell!
FistsOfFury21 2 years ago 6
Awesome vid, the pictures clarify the message of the (beautiful&painful) song. Very nicely done
Deterior666 2 years ago
You go to these countrys to fight terrorism, Congratulations youve become what u set out to fight
bergy45 2 years ago 8
i actually agree on that one..
rezenger 2 years ago
@bergy45 fucking moron
GiveWARaChance508 1 year ago
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@bergy45 shut up, stupid
GiveWARaChance508 1 year ago
@bergy45 Fuck you bro, grow some balls and go over seas were the fucking reason your sitting your ass on the computer and you wanna sit here and critize. Without us where's your freedom? Remeber why were over there? Think a couple more planes going into buildings will remind you. Were not terrorist we dont beat the shit out of randoms. People think we do cause this kid singing a song said we do. Think the lead singer was EVER in combat? No he wasnt. Join the Marines and that'll change your view
nickisking11 1 year ago
Great video! U chose the right pictures too , almost made me cry ,, 5/5
fredriik94 2 years ago 2
its nice... great .... shows.... army figures... its just sad how u show like all the evil killings and all the .... deaths.... its soo true to..how . kids , wives, friends losing there best closest pals,realitves, heros, for the rest of us? i say we shud show more RESPECT to the army this video almost made me cry 5/5 fav sub thanks
iamiownedui 2 years ago
Big thanks for fav :)
Dobimaster 2 years ago
5/5
Brilliant video! From 2:43 to 3:56 is the best part. You really choosed pictures wisely.
andylish20 2 years ago
no dude he's right. our attitude is if you don't do everything the way we want, we'll come into your country and kill you. it's said. and i even live here
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
Agreed except our soldiers arn't fighting for Bush, their fighting for their country, and well we can't even walk into people's countries and kill them because the UN is opposed of that, the only reason why the war in Iraq happened was because Bush thought of a way to get into Iraq and his wish got granted in 911 and Bin Laden, so he has a reason to invade. The UN won't let USA wage wars anywhere, but Iraq is already in war they can't pull out.
Soldiers do their best, don't disrespect them.
DominationSnipers 2 years ago
i'm not disrespecting them. i'm saying if you join the army. um don't complain. cause it's kinda obvious what's gonna happen. and i'm not one of those people that go around saying all those things about 'dead soldiers' and stuff, but i don't support what they fight for. because fighting's not a solution. it's prolonging the problem. because no one gives up nicely. the give up, then plan their come back. it's human nature
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
Human nature, human nature is to cause war, we're the only ones who start wars, and soldiers sign up fighting sure, they have the chance of death, but they don't do it for their own gain, most join to have money cause they can't get hired, or they do it for their country. War increases technology. Internet created for military. Same with the computer, war is never for no cause, always some good comes out of it, Ying Yang effect.
DominationSnipers 2 years ago
human nature causes war- true
war is good-false
war does not increase technology, science does. the impetus for creating this technology would simply be changed.
death of our own citizens as well as those of other nations is not a reasonable price for these inventions.
the idea of war is so childish it's stupid to say good comes out of it other than a false feeling of justice and an elementary retributive mindset spurred by society's 'orthodox' behavior.
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
never said war is good, also war doesn't do anything instead of technology increasing that's it, nothing else, but my point i was trying to make was USA isn't the new Nazi's like the first persons post.
DominationSnipers 2 years ago
we invade other countries. we believe we are the greatest country. we're very intolerant even if people like to believe we're not. and everyone who isn't exactly like us is wrong and we 'fix it.'
in a very minimalist version of the meaning of nazi. we are.
in the sense of imperialism, egotism and bigotry. and they're all connected
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago 3
Eh, true enough, im too tired to argue, if it was summer i would. Too busy with work and school and life itself XD
DominationSnipers 2 years ago
haha i know whatcha mean
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
his dad died because he joined the army. you don't think there was a risk of him dieing anyway? i'm not supporting bush. but if you join a proffessional army, then you're kinda in jeopardy. i'm tired of people saying this war is bullshit, when all war is bullshit. "oh i know what we can do to solve our problems. i try to kill you and you try to kill me! last one standing wins. what a fun game'
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
at the end of the song his talking about the sureder flag
koonoboy 2 years ago
yes but more importantly it's a peace flag.
codarkstarxx13 2 years ago
why does it say by venca at the end if u made it
Ouchmyback 2 years ago
Because "Venca" is my name and Dobimaster is only my nick. :)
Dobimaster 2 years ago
ah soz
Ouchmyback 2 years ago
i think americans are the new nazis
bushidokid123 2 years ago
this vidios realy make´s me cry thousands of people die every day on the war... I love this song
megaluis2 2 years ago
fuck bush who started this war
xxpunkboy519 2 years ago 2
this video does not represent what this song means...
guitarone110 2 years ago
I know. But after first listening, this video thus reacted for me.
This song represent Rise Against's feelings, but this video represent my feelings of this song.
Dobimaster 2 years ago
dam thats sad ... but i like the song
blastgreen34 2 years ago
nice done, !
Rise Against is very nice !
en thit is his best song !
sterchele23elrio16 2 years ago
I couldnt put it any better then joshdadude that was really what was what rise against was really trying to tell kids and families of what war really is.............
luvhell12345 2 years ago 2
well thats very touching the pics relli showed the story they were trying to put across to the world
and rise against is amazing because they have a story behind every song especial this song well done dude:)
joshdadude12 2 years ago 3
Wow it touchs me very deeply and honestly this is the best video with this song sofar
acidninja123 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I give you props on the vid but the song pisses me off. I threw the disc out of my car as I drove down the street. I hate songs that stereotype.
Kornkidd2k1 3 years ago
you could of just gave it to me :)
im not gonna go off at you like most people becouse one thing rise against stands for is freedom of speech so its you opinoun dude
im going to c rise against in 2 weeks :D
its gonna be awesome going in the mosh pit
peace out
101ZOOYORK101 2 years ago 4
dude... throw yourself out your car xD That CD is worth a million with their songs on it! Rise Against is soooo nice :D Totally not stereotype... just reading the lyrics will make you fall in love ^^
Florisss1 2 years ago
First of all don't pollute ^^, also most soldiers don't care what they do to people in the opposing country, they're there friends dying so they wanna do as much damage to them as "revenge" type deal, my cousin has served 5 years, and he can't get over the fact that his best friend died beside me. My cousin said they do some brutal things to people who are opposing them.
DominationSnipers 2 years ago
nice job man , gr8
hanipap 3 years ago
well done
heikofa12 3 years ago
awesome
BloodyTC92 3 years ago
nice job realy nice
PS: I HATE WAR
choosen139 3 years ago
this is by far the best slide show video i have ever seen, dude you did a great job
Jobberissososexy 3 years ago
kudos to you this is disturbing pics for me but i dnt care gd video
jackcurtis90 3 years ago
Awesome video and song.. Lyrics are just amazing, same as your video. Good job for getting me chills during the whole video!
pheut 3 years ago
O M G !
ArmoredFuryForces 3 years ago
Great song and for your first vid you did well.
millertas 3 years ago
IS 3:19 a whipped CHILD?
1337gam3r07 3 years ago
all PoWs are treated terribly.yes. But none were as bad as the Vietnamese or Japs
1337gam3r07 3 years ago
very well made... really good done
Tatzenkreuz 3 years ago
truly awesome....
there is nothing more to say about it
lfrankyI 3 years ago
very good video for a brilliant song!
darcbugz 3 years ago
seriously touching
noaroxs 3 years ago
My English isn't perfect, because I'm not from English speaking country. Any texts aren't to perfection translated.
But this song is just beautiful.
Dobimaster 3 years ago
My English isn't perfect, because ain't from English speaking country. Any texts aren't to perfection translated.
Dobimaster 3 years ago
I do beleive he is singing about the American Flag but about a soilder who is not proud of what has happened or what they did for that flag!!
Boggs420247 3 years ago
im not trying to give you shit about your video because its very good regardless from what im going to say. but the flag he sings about isn't the american flag. its the white flag the woman was holding that he shot and killed. you have to listen to the last verse and chorus
shifty2757 3 years ago 2
Yes, this pictures corral eywater to the eyes!
Dobimaster 3 years ago
A truely touching video. 5/5
Battosai37th 3 years ago
This vidio is true about the horro of war
Unnoy 3 years ago 2
Please, some comments???
Dobimaster 3 years ago