This first video is actually very informative and for the most part accurate. It is very nice of you Mr. Martin, to spread the Glad Tidings that Baha'u'llah has come in all His Great Glory. I am looking forward to watching the rest of it. The only thing I would add is that the Bab, Siyyid Ali Muhammad, is "the Promised Christ", the Messiah, the Qa'im, and, like John the Baptist, the Bab was also a Herald. John heralded the Son of God. The Bab heralded the Father of Christ and His Son.
@joab302016 there is no Lifelock for religious deception. But the Son of God, the Lord Jesus is always there to the rescue for all victims who call upon his name.
@joab302016 - This Non Christian Cult rejects Jesus Christ as the only true Messiah for mankind, and they lie concerning who The Alpha and The Omega is In Revelation 1 and 22. They speak of Christ, But their Christ is a fraud and speaks lies, and says they are the new christian without an absolute Saviour who absolutely saves.
bahaism is a Non Christian Cult. It adhere`s and practices Pantheism, Polytheism, and Polygamy. The Bible on the on the other hand teaches there is ONE God expressed in three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three are One, and their NATURE is that of GOD. Bahai`s teach you are god, and everyone else can achieve god status. Jesus says in Matthew 24 that "Let no man deceive you"..."For many shall come in my name and claim themselves as Christ" Jesus WARNS, DON`T BELIEVE THEM. BAHAISM.
"Say: O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of God with such standards and sciences as are current amongst you, for the Book itself is the unerring Balance established amongst men. In this most perfect Balance whatsoever the peoples and kindreds of the earth possess must be weighed, while the measure of its weight should be tested according to its own standard, did ye but know it.
@fsmtdaler -You know none this of applies to the Bible, let alone, the only Salvation available to mankind, and that`s through Christ Jesus.The Word of God(The Bible only) is the only source for Faith, Life and Practice.What you do is Babble,and it`s goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden when mankind accepted the Lie of the Serpent in Genesis 3,That you shall become like god. You have been tested by the Book you claim is not inspired because your little god says so, and is a pervert.
Over & above what we believe MAY be true, ie God exists, the Bible is the ONLY authority of truth or whether Jesus is God..etc, people advocating & manifesting love, compassion, peace, kindness & non-violence(Bahaism advocates vegetarianism) ALL qualities of the historical Jesus.
How is Bahaism misleading people?
The only time we should call others out on belief, is when what they believe is the impetus to cause UNNECESSARY SUFFER to conscious creatures, both Human & Non-Human.
@veganath - Manifestation, has nothing to do with The Truth, Jesus Christ is the Truth and the truth is perfect and immutable. Jesus Christ is the same as yesterday, and eternally has been and forever will be Savior, and God, the only avenue to Eyernal Life, and Eternal Fellowship with God Himself for Eternity,along with fellow like believers who trusted, as well as trust that Christ Jesus arose from the dead and we too will live and be like Him, for He promises,and never lies.Baha U` allah lies
@TheFisherman57 Even if Baha U' Allah lies, if he is inspiring people to Love(God is love) and they are distancing themselves from causing UNNECESSARY SUFFERING to other conscious creature by becoming vegetarians, then certainly he rates highly in my book.
Everything u have said above about your convictions of religious certainty is the same as the claims that a Muslim would make, so please explain to someone, on the outside looking in, why your argument has any more credibility
@TheFisherman57 Jesus implores us to "become like little children", I don't know if u remember what it was like as an innocent child to feel intimately connected with everything, I still do hv this feeling.... ALL creatures were my companions.
Perhaps our greatest love is with the entire universe or "God" if u feel more comfortable with that word... Anyway labels are not nearly as important as the reality they point too.
@veganath That synthesis your heart strings are feeling will only come to it`s full fruition and meaning through your Creator, and Jesus is His Name. He is Coming again to restore Order, and True Justice, He is our Peace, and He restores that position of peace we once had through Christ Jesus by removing what separates us from Him, and true harmonious fellowship with God Almighty Himself. There is only ONE Life in Light John1:1-3, all others are just bright shiny objects, that draw away from God
@TheFisherman57 I'm sure God/JC etal, feels ALL beings 2b her children(female aspect of God). Like any loving parent she would respond to any authentic cry of distress from her children, even if the child mistakenly calls her by a different name ie Quan Yin, Allah, Zeus, Great Spirit or even God..etc. Why do Xtians obsess Gods name? JC considered the Pharisees to be OK if they weren't hypocritical, & they weren't Xtian! The labels aren't as important as the reality they point 2!
@TheFisherman57 Pantheism is wrong, in what sense? You mean a God that we believe has attributes extending to infinity can't have more than ONE name?? Same God different name...
If a God exists there can only be one God... Perhaps u need to revise the job description.
And ur contention that Christianity is the ONLY WAY is bizarre, especially given that Jesus never went around condemning others religion, but he certainly called them out on hypocrisy & immorality.
@veganath - You teach by your definition of Infinity. Try Charles Hodges definition of Infinity and then you`ll begin to understand that The God and Lord of allll, your gods with differint names do not == Christ Jesus. You believe by the definition of the word Infinity you defined is "God is all, and all is God" The Lie of The Serpent Genesis 3. God is transcendent, and Immutable, your gods are all over the place teaching Babel.
@TheFisherman57 If u were to ask a child what they value in life, quite simply they would say being happy(being loving ie manifesting God as the bible say God is Love). If Charles Hodges could keep his writings simply enough that a child could understand, the child Jesus implores us all to be to feel the truth, then the majority might appreciate his contribution
The truth doesn't require intellectual gymnastics. All we need to do is manifest LOVE & GOD is there
Listen, we don't have to agree on what each of us believes, however the ONLY time I would expect u to call me out & draw the line on my beliefs is when what I believe is the impetus to cause conscious being to suffer unnecessarily. We shouldn't accept eg flying planes into buildings.. etc
What we believe MAY BE THE TRUTH isn't important compared to being loving, kind, compassionate & non-violent. ALL institutionalized religions advocate these qualities as the road to salvation.
@veganath - sorry Muslims don`t believe in an absolute Saviour who Absolutely saves. Christians Believe in only 1 way of Salvation and Bahaism has nothing to do with saving souls. Medication works well, and smoke and mirrors of your spiritual perversionis not love, rather a lie. The Lie of The Serpent. Pantheism, and Polytheism is not Christianity, that`s Bahaism. The problem is Bahaism makes the claims that are reserved and devoted to Christ Jesus.So stop soft peddling your perverted commentary
@TheFisherman57 the Biblical word of God and our interpretation of the word are not the same same thing, as evidenced from the multitude of Christian sects. There isn't even consensus of interpretation between baptists & 7th day Adventists
I would posit that we shld b vigilant 4 messages in verses that we haven't fully understood yet eg 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. This could possibly be interpreted in a number of way. Personally I prefer the contemplative traditions insight
We could both debate the meaning of scripture from our 'fallen interpretations', but finally need to ask ourselves with the heart of the loving compassion of Christ, if what we do is for our spiritual self interest and that of God's plan for the renewal of all creation for the Peaceable Kingdom. The Peaceable Kingdom like the Garden of Eden will be perfect. ALL beings will manifest LOVE(GOD) & compassion.
None will cause unnecessary suffering, it will be a vegetarian paradise
@veganath No, your way offthere vegnath, There is only one God, and you want to imply that because the other little gods don`t have status when in His presence. Oh, in case you have forgotten, that the True God`s Name is a bunch of synonyms, describing the same God, and as far as christian sects calling the name of god differint is Polytheism, not True Christianity and Christ Jesus nature is that of God, our Lord, and true God, not the Baba black sheep.
@TheFisherman57 Even if Baha U' Allah lies, if he is inspiring people to Love(God is love) and they are distancing themselves from causing UNNECESSARY SUFFERING to other conscious creature by becoming vegetarians, then certainly he rates highly in my book.
Everything u have said above about your convictions of religious certainty is the same as the claims that a Muslim would make, so please explain to someone, on the outside looking in, why your argument has any more credibility
@veganath There`s the differince!, Baha U` alah Lies and it`s easier to believe in a lie than the truth because you are of your Father, The Father of Lies. Jesus Christ never, never lied because His NATURE is that of GOD, He cannot lie, for their is no darkness in Him. Baha U` allah`s NATURE on the other hand is that of a mere man, not god. Muhammed was not god, Jesus said He was God in the Flesh. Salvation to man comes through Messiah(Saviour). Not Bahai`s lie of how Salvation is obtained.
@TheFisherman57 Jesus’ life showed us the spiritual evolutionary stages we all need to go through in order to manifest LOVE for ALL, or manifest GOD(Whoever does not LOVE does not know GOD, because GOD is LOVE-1 John 4:8)
Jesus at the beginning of his ministry was proclaimed a “Messenger of God,” later as his spiritual love grew he felt moved to proclaimed himself a “Son of God,” John 3:16-18 and nearing the end of his ministry proclaimed “I and the Father are One” John10:30.
@veganath - It`s called Revelation 22. Adding and subtracting from The Holy Bible is a curse. There is no new Revelation according to The Bab. Christ Jesus is the only Alpha and Omega of Revelation 1, and 22. Jesus NEVER claimed to be just a messenger, if God wanted a messenger He would of sent one of His Angels, as in Gabriel to Joseph and Mary. Jesus stated unequivocally that He is the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father but through Me John 14:6. II Corintians 4:3-6.....
@TheFisherman57@TheFisherman57 - Your quasi/pseudo Babel has no bearing on Scripture and Bahai`s refuse to follow simple rules of GRAMMAR. That`s expected since Bahaism and it`s outside of the normative expressions of True CHRISTIANITY Interpretations accept everything opposite of what the WORD OF GOD states, because Bahai`s have a need to relativize Christianity with their New Age Messiah, The BaB man, not god bab.Panteism,Polytheism, and Polygamy are forbidden, and they exalt themselves above
@TheFisherman57 the 1st Commandment. Just as Bahai`s elevate themselves against :The Glorious Gospel(Good News) of Jesus Christ. Jesus did say that He and the Father are one, truth!! Yet, Christ Jesus said that"The Father is Greater than I. And besides the text you used to present your pantiestic ideas about who God is, and that of His Nature. Jesus, The Father and The Holy Spirit are ONE!. Try John5:39, and verse 46, then read the whole passage you tried to cite as your own pernicious dogma.
@TheFisherman57 Interestingly there is only 1 reference to Jesus being the only way(as interpreted by Christians), if that was as important as Christians want everyone to believe why would there only be the one reference to it.
However there are so many references in the Bible to the importance of LOVE.
'Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these'
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:13(Sounds important?)
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without
expecting to get anything back.Then your reward will be great(Heaven within), and you will be sons of the Most High(as was Jesus), because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:35
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13
How would u explain ur "Biblical truth" ie the imperative to accept Jesus as ur savior else be condemned to an eternity in hell to these 3 beautiful girls, they are congenitally blind & deaf & therefore dumb
No they weren't unfortunate to be born in an Islamic country, they live in the US Bible belt
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JC emphasized LOVE so much more than being an only way. So even if you were unfortunate not to know Jesus, if you manifest LOVE, you know God
Thus, ages have passed and centuries rolled away, and that most pure Spirit hath repaired unto the retreats of its ancient sovereignty. Once more hath the eternal Spirit breathed into the mystic trumpet, and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness and error unto the realm of guidance and grace. And yet, that expectant community still crieth out: 'When shall these things be?'" Kitab-I-Iqan p 25 Baha'u'llah
My friend's sister is serving 20 years for not denying Baha'u'llah, in an Iranian prison. 20,000 have died refusing to deny Him since 1844. "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam." Jeremiah 49:38 He has...
@fsmtdaler - Sincerity does not equal Truth. I don`t know of anyone who would not die for religious freedom. That`s what America is about. Yet the very America that allows you to believe in your religion, and practice it, you would deny it`s true heritage to instruct you as to who, what, and why we are America. I know comrades in arms who stand for American Exceptionalism, tortured, and are still missing, for a reason,and that you on the other hand would dictate to who, a christian really is.
When forbidden by law to hurl rocks in the faces of their enemies, they hurl words like "cult", repeatedly, trying to inflict damage, rather than discern the light of truth, from which they flee. As Jesus said to the Walter Martins of His Day: "O, ye generation of vipers!" For they hisss and they spit in the faces of the believers, who dare to follow the Light of the Age.
@fsmtdaler Dr. Martin is against new gospels that are totally different gospel from what his apostles had taught. Jesus is Lord and all religions will bow to him.
@joab302016 So were the Pharasees... They denied Him, even as Dr Martin denied Him, while us simple folk recognize that same tone embodied in "My sheep know My voice." Its really that simple (and difficult). "Verily, the Father hath come..."
@joab302016 He clings to His Name, yet denies His Light, which has appeared as promised. The Bahai Faith offers infinite evidence supporting the claims of the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Foremost are the Words themselves. Next to that abundant and plain fulfillment of prophecies, not only from the Old and New Testaments, but from all religious traditions, including Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Native American. It is the spirit of this dialogue which exposes the hearts, as in days past.
@fsmtdaler That we deny. Jesus is more than enough for any modern man living today. Any one who claims to be the Christ is just an impostor. We are warned already about that and we expect many false christ coming. We will not bow our loyalty to Bahai. Our faith is in Jesus alone and the authority of the Bible.
@fsmtdaler - Set put Horus`s left eye out, same as the god Odin, two lefts, don`t make a right. The BaB eye theory is polytheism, and pantheism, and Native american is radically differint than your relativisation of everything. Christianity is exemplary, for Christians serve only ONE GOD, not many, For God`s nature is ONE expressed in 3 persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You teach foreign and false gods, and false worship, Idolatry is a sin, and evil in the sight of the Lord God of Heaven
@fsmtdaler - Dr. Walter Martin claimed the name of Jesus as His personnal Lord and Saviour and consistantly proclaimed Jesus Christ as the God and Lord. He lived his life in the Life of Light and gave to the True Christian Church great service in the name of The Lord, Saviour, and God of all Life.
@TheFisherman57 - You cannot have it both ways!. You have been all over these Bahai pages promulgating, and postulating everything against Christ Jesus, and are confused, and set confusion as your primary dogmas. True Christians aren`t confused over John 14:6 is. Bahai`s have a problem with understanding simple rules of GRAMMAR. Bahai`s are ignorant of rules of GRAMMAR, because they weave webs of Deceit upon unwary and unsuspecting peoples!, to exact tons of money to lie.
@fsmtdaler - Dr. Martin does not deny the Light of Jesus!!1, Because he doesn`t deny the LightGiver, Please read John 1:1-5. Jesus is the Life in Light. Baha U` allah is not Light, he is a sinner in need of a saviour in which he unequivocally denies as you do because your father, the Father of Lies. John 14:6 is the way, the truth and the Life, no man comes to the father but thrugh Him John 14:6=Romans 11, and How you get there is through John 3 "Born Again" Jesus`s way. Christ Jesus Bahai`s
@fsmtdaler - That`s an outright lie, because John 1:3, In Him was Light... Your in total denial as to who Jesus Christ is that`s why you try to use the Bible as your New Age Messiah`s Hanbook. The Bible is a strong chain unbroken, even by the BaB eye. Bab can`t break it, so bahai`s pervert the truth to exact their will upon Holy Writ. II Corintians 4:3-6
@joab302016 "We have decreed, O people, that the highest and last end of all learning be the recognition of Him Who is the Object of all knowledge; and yet, behold how ye have allowed your learning to shut you out, as by a veil, from Him Who is the Dayspring of this Light, through Whom every hidden thing hath been revealed." Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God
@joab302016 My friend, there is a common source from which all of the prophets of God draw their inspiration. We can look at this page, or that, and note differences. If you are sincere, and without prejudice, study the Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah. It begins in the Arabic. (cont)
@fsmtdaler - You do show your ignorance of ancient Eastern Literature in that the Bible is not just one book but 66 written over a 4, 000 or more years. It was written in the Hebrew tongue from their original language, not arabic, or Reformed Egyptian Heirogliphics. The Bible is written in plain speak and speaks of it`s contents, not of yours. Christians are instructed to "Study to show themselves of God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.
@fsmtdaler - Read Matthew 24, and then you`ll see your fraud Baha U` alah as just a 4 ft. 9in Genie who spouts out all kinds of confusion, and dis information. Christ Jesus Bahai`s, Christ Jesus. Christ warned of false Christ`s trying to pretend they were Him, and Christians are intrucrwd wisely to "Study to show ourselves approved of God a Workman that doesn`t need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth" Christians hear their Shepherds Voice clearly. Bahai`s are a Worthless Shepherd.
@joab302016 He is the Glory of Glories This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of divine virtue.
@fsmtdaler Read the book of revelation and you will rediscover the real Jesus. He was Jesus in earth and He is still Jesus in heaven. The book of Revelation being a record of what going to happen in the future describes who Jesus in great detail in his glory and power. Jesus said: "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." That invitation is still open for you. The real Jesus is in the throne of heaven
@joab302016 Well, friend, I do hear His voice in the verses recited and sent down in this age by the Pen of Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God. We were told that "Christ shall return in the Glory of God", and He has, but it won't be settled on You Tube, will it? Saul had to kill a few Christians before He turned into Paul, and some of these folks need to throw their rocks of denial in His face until they're exhausted or tired of hearing themselves talk, for "eyes they have, but see not", ya know.
@fsmtdaler - Your a liar, and the truth or the Light of Life is not in what you say. Our Brother Peter tells us "That no Scripture is of any private interperatation, rather Holy Men of God Spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit". They moved by God`s Holy Spirit, the same one in Acts Chapter 5. The spirit that you claim the BaBeyedman has is the spirit of Legion, for Baha U` allah speaks many lies contrary to everything Christ Jesus the True Alpha and Omega says in His Holy Word.Bahai`s lie
@joab302016 - You can`t be a Christian, and deny, That Christ Jesus is God. Deny the Resurrection, and Eternal Life through Christ is fallacious and cursed. II Corintians on that teaching. They continually apply the alpha and Omega of Rev. 1;18-22, and Chapter 22 to Baha U` allah. This guy was a polygamist and pantheist, and had multi wives and he`s more authoritive than The Lord Christ Jesus. Wrong, Alert. False, Liar, Thief, Bahaism is not christian in any form of the word, or context.
@TheFisherman57 I read many of your posts/reply. You clearly love the Lord Jesus a lot.
We cannot go beyond the words of God to do either more or less. I remember Peter when the Lord Jesus was abandoned by many of his followers except his 12 disciples after Jesus claimed to be the bread of life. He asked the twelve, "are you also going to leave me?" But Peter answered, "Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life! We believe that you are the Holy One of God."
@fsmtdaler -Radiant Heart??? Our Lord says "That the heart is the most deceitful member of the body, and is most desperately wicked", with that little light, you so called have, Just imagine how deep the dark is!. Come to Jesus Bahai`s He is the only Light which proceeds from the darkness, and is the true Life in Light, John 1;1-5, Christ Jesus says that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Him" John 14;6. II Corintians 4;3-6 on Bahai`s teaching.
@joab302016 O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behoveth thee to be. Verily, justice is My gift to thee, and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it before thine eyes
@fsmtdaler - If your sight were justice, everyone would die, and you would commit suicide, God`s Justice is called the Bible, and how He will mete out His Justice upon a rebellious mankind, if they don`t repent of their wickedness.
@joab302016 O Son of Man! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
@fsmtdaler - Please, you continually poison yourself and now need a complete blood transfusion from Christ Jesus, He will save you, He`s the great Physician, and will give you eternal life. Trust Him, and obey Him, and you will be healed of the spiritual fornication, you commit daily. Bahaism teaches olytheism, and pantheism, which is false teaching without hope or degrades man. Christ Jesus lifts us to high, for we are in Him. Christians believe in an absolute Saviour, who Absolutely Saves.
@joab302016 O Son of Man! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.
@fsmtdaler - The spirit that which you are speaking of is that of an unholy spirit. To those who come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ have the authentic Life in Light, and that of Eternal Life through the bodily Resurrection of Christ Jesus, Who Is, Who Was, and Forever shall Be, GOD. You do, tech the "Serpent of the Lie" Genesis 3. I wonder of which divine nature you inherit? It is that divine nature lied to Adam and Eve. It is appointed for man to die once then the Judgement.
@fsmtdaler your incantation will not work on me. My God is greater than the spirit behind your false religion. I hope one day you will come back to Jesus Christ.
@joab302016 It is not an incantation, friend. The reality of Christ is greater than His appearance in Jesus for, as He said, "Before Abraham was, I am." He still is, and when He appears from age to age, men deny Him. "Out of His mouth proceeds a two-edged sword" by which He separates believer from non-beleiver. You are free to believe or not to believe as you wish. My statements here reflect my belief. Thank you, and God bless
@fsmtdaler that is your imaginary Christ. The Jesus of the Bible is the God Almighty. He does not change. The Book of Hebrews proves you wrong. The angels worship him, and even God the Father said this to Jesus: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..." Jesus himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." So in the beginning he is the I AM, and in the end he is still the I AM. You cannot deceive us. We have been warned about false christ.
@joab302016 - Continually they attack the Deity of Jesus Christ, His Full Bodily Resurrection, and the promise to the Believer that He is the way, and throught Him is eternal life. Itching ears, and deprabed hearts. Ever learning, and never able to come to the truth, from such.... And they call Real Christians, Christites, and deserve death. They are the new revelation, and hammer of god, rather their Father is the devil ans alllll His Lies, and minions.
@fsmtdaler that is your imaginary Christ. The Jesus of the Bible is the God Almighty. He does not change. The Book of Hebrews proves you wrong. The angels worship him, and even God the Father said this to Jesus: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..." Jesus himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." So in the beginning he is the I AM, and in the end he is still the I AM. You cannot deceive us. We have been warned about false christ.
@fsmtdaler - You are a deceiver, and unskilfull in the handling of God`s word. God`s reality is reality irregardless of how He chooses to present Himself. age to age statement is a wedge and tries to imply that Christianity is Pantheistic,and Polytheistic. God is ONE!!!. Not All is god, and god is all is false teaching and not christian, teaching that man is god is Idolatry and forbidden in the Bible, Baha U` allah is a False Prophet and Teacher who spiritually Fornicates with Doctrnes of Demons
@TheFisherman57 You are clearly convinced that you are the final authority. I can't change that. Nor can I acquaint you with the teachings of Baha'u'llah, for you are in the stage of Saul, busily attacking Him and those who have turned towards Him. You will persist in your attacks. If you could, I suspect that you would do as the Mullas of Iran have done for over a 150 years, kill, torture, and imprison the Baha'is. This is what you get off on, so have at it, brother. God bless you.
@fsmtdaler - The Scripture is the final Authority period, where the Christian is concerned. Baha U` allah is a false teacher, claiming false authority. Even Saul recognized that, but somehow BaBman got it al correct where Jesus the Christ got it wrong??? Bahai`s were kicked out of Persia because they were telling the truth?? Irregardless, Stop lieing. Bahaism is a NON CHRISTIAN CULT,because Bahism is in complete denial of the OBJECT OF SALVATION, CHRIST JESUS, of the REAL BIBLE.
@TheFisherman57 Know thou that when the Son Of Man yielded up His breath to God the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee, The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the oldest hands have produced (cont)
@fsmtdaler - That` s false, The Bible explicitely states that He came unto His own and His own recognized Him not and rejected Him. Creation didn`t mourn, rather great celebration at His Resurrection, as a Christian I rejoice at the passing of a brother or sister for I know Christ Jesus`s promise is that every man is to die once , then the judgement, where we must all appear before Almighty God naked. Ha, Ha, ha. In Christ Jesus we walk blameless, while you walk as dead men.
@TheFisherman57 (cont) the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent spirit.
We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the Leprosy of Perversity and ignorance. (cont)
@fsmtdaler - Who`s transcendent quickening Power are you talking about? Jesus THE CHRIST is the only one with that QUICKENING POWER!!. EPHESIANS 2 'AND YOU HAS HE(JESUS) QUICKENED(MADE ALIVE) WHO WERE DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SINS"... . Read the whole chapter. Your dead! without Christ Jesus, and no Mantra is going to humm you out of what everyone will do, and that`s Every Knee Shall Bow and Every Tongue Confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord. That means Baha U` alah will say Jesus is Lord, and kneel
@TheFisherman57 (cont) Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.
Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised, (cont)
@fsmtdaler - Are you confessing that Jesus is God, and Lord of All? If yes, then Halellujah, and Amen, if not, then you need Hom now. You are very, very, very, Deceived,and Lost (triple replication of very is very important to know if know anything of Hebrew Literature) especially when Jesus the Christ uses this format in John 3. I know you must of missed that, because you immediately have asked for a Heart Transplant, a complete Blood Transfusion, a completely renewed Mind and Being.Persevere!!
@TheFisherman57 (cont) We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.
@fsmtdaler - It doesn`t say every leper was cleansed and, Christians bear witness to the Power of His Word through the Testimony of His Holy Spirit within the Believer whereby we know We are the Children of God whereby We cry ABBA Father, We have the Spirit of Adoption of the Father, through Christ Jesus, a Christians relationship is personnal, and as Christians Joint-Heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together Romans 8.
@fsmtdaler - No, The Bible Convinced me,of it`s infallible proofs, that it is the sole Book that a man must use to Walk in Righteousness, and that righteous proceeds forth from the Son of God , Jesus the Christ, and God Himself in the Flesh.John 8;58. I`m not qualified to question the mind of God Almighty. a Treasury Agent doesn`t study the counterfeit in order to discover a counterfeit. Rather the Treasury Agent studiously studies the Authentic, so that in one glance it`s origin is corrupted.
@TheFisherman57 Well friend, as a Christian who became a Baha'i thirty years ago, I had to look twice, and three times, and more to come to the realization that Christ was good on His Word, that He indeed came as a Thief in the Night, in 1844 (see Daniel), in Elam (see Jeremiah), where He set His Throne, and toppled the King and the Princes, etc. Napoleon, Czar, Kaiser, Sultan, Shah etc, all gone! Israel has gone home. Gnite...
@fsmtdaler Do you recognize Ron Hubbard(Scientologist) as a manifestation of God? Do you think that the spirit of Christ was on him too? Please answer Im just curious on what you are going to say about him.
@joab302016 No, I don't. Nor Moon, or Jones, etc. The difference is like the sun compared to a piece of tinfoil. False prophets are quite obviously derelict, whereas when you listen to the words of Christ, they stand out as remarkable and different from ordinary men. Please read some of the words of Baha'u'llah for your own self, and see the difference. He is not in the same category. Visit Baha'i dot org if you desire. Thank you
@fsmtdaler What would you say then to Jesus when he warned us about false Christ claiming to be just like him? Jesus explicitly implied that there will be no other like him. How can he have a replacement since Jesus is still alive and well in heaven. In fact Jesus is doing his duty as our high priest at this very moment. Will you worship Jesus as it is described in Revelations 4 & 5? I worship Jesus, he is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
@joab302016 He said, 'Ye shall know them by their fruits.' His deeds must match His words, as Jesus gave His life and surrendered to the cross. Also, He said "Watch", and that He would come as a Thief in the Night. For me, His reality is eternal. His appearance on earth, as a human, is subject to human limitations: eating, breathing, living, & dying. So the human identity remains human. We must look for something more than we see in ourselves. The Words of God are more than ours.
@joab302016 Those false Christs are super egotists. Their words are not from God. They do not sacrifice themselves for others, but live selfishly. Some are simply deluded, and inconsistent. Yet the One Who says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega", and "Before Abraham was, I am", has always existed. He appears from age to age as the One sent by God. His Words are the Script of God's Pen, you might say, and He is the Mouthpiece of God. "My sheep know My voice."
@joab302016 I worship none but God, and recognize Jesus as the Son of God. What does this mean? For Abraham was the "Friend" of God. Moses, His Lawgiver. Jesus, His Son. Each term denotes the special relationship between God and His Messenger, the Messiah. The Bab is the "Gate" of God. Baha'u'llah is the Glory of God. They manifest the Presence of God on earth, and reveal His attributes through their lives and Words. There is no contradiction.
@fsmtdaler Key Words Messenger DOES NOT Equal GOD. Messenger could be a Angel. The texts are specific, as to the Identity, and nature of anyone talking in the Bible(a Jack-ass Talked to Balaam) The nature of a jack-ass didn`t change because he spoke to Balaam). Balaam`s nature didn`t change talking back to the jack-ass. So we presume that rules of grammar apply for a reason concerning The Holy Bible. Your Hermeneutic is so very defective and lacking, and represents nothing of the normative ex..
@TheFisherman57 expressions of Christian faith, and is esoteric at best. Bahaism is a non Christian cult group, that claims a new revelation for a new world order, That Bahai`s revelations source or origins are rooted in the mouth of the Father of Lies, and Worthless Shepherd.
@fsmtdaler the Bible said that: at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth... Jesus is no equal with Bab, Baha ulah, or Moses. All of them including you and me will bow to Jesus. There is contradiction here. Jesus is unique. Im quoting the book of Philippians to refute you. Jesus is not just a plain messenger. He is the Son of God above all.
@joab302016 My dear friend and fellow believer in Jesus, the Christ. "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bare them now. Albeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth." For Baha'is, the Spirit of Truth has indeed come, as foretold by His Holiness Jesus. This is not simple matter, but one which requires much prayer and investigation.
@fsmtdaler This is what the Bible said about the Lord Jesus: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind." And in other passage it adds about him: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness." Ur god Bahaulah is only a man.
@joab302016 My dear Christian friend, when they came to crucify Christ, they only beheld a "man", did they not? "Beholdest thou not the Son of God seated on the right hand of power and glory?" No! They did not! Neither did Pharoah behold the station of Moses as One Who came down from Mt Sanai with the Commandments from the Lord God. Persecution is the history of mankind's greeting of each of Those Whom God sends. The vast majority turn away, deny, and scoff at His Messengers...
@fsmtdaler How can you still pretend to call me fellow believer in Christ Jesus? You are clearly educated about what Christians truly believe about the Lord. And you know that your version of Christ is totally different, new and contrary to the gospel. You know you have another gospel that is very different in our belief. And yet still you masquerades to us as a Christian. Read the book of Revelation. You will see Jesus enthroned and worshiped. There is no Bahaulah in heaven.
@joab302016 I wear no mask where Jesus is concerned, but declare to you plainly, as commanded in His day, and again in this, the Day of God which He foretold. In the Bible it is clearly written, "Christ shall return in the Glory of God" Baha'u''lah means, in Arabic, the Glory of God. He appeared in Elam, as did the Bab, in 1844, 2300 years after the decree by Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem. He came "from mountain to mountain and sea to sea. From the fortified cities to the fortified city
You always insist in praying and investigation. I am sure you have already done a lot of those. Why not try to be obedient to the Bible alone this time for 2012 and rediscover the real Jesus. The root word here is OBEDIENCE. Do that. Obey what the Bible say, not external sources. I challenge you to become OBEDIENT. Be OBEDIENT friend. You lack that aspect while you were a christian before. Be OBEDIENT. Jesus said take up your cross and follow me. Will you OBEY him in this command?
@joab302016 My friend, I would be truly disobedient to deny Baha'u'llah to you. The sister of my good friend Iraj is imprisoned in one of the worst prisons in Iran, serving 20 years, for believing that Baha'u'llah is the Promised One of all religions. My children's Aunt and two cousins were imprisoned and threatened with death for being Baha'is. Please, if you will, view and listen to my song: Living for Baha'u'llah on You Tube. It is dedicated to them. Thank you, and God bless you.
@fsmtdaler there you go. You are not a New Testament Christian. Your lord is Bahaulah. So stop pretending to us that you are a Christian. It doesn't irritate me whatever your faith or denomination is. But to pretend to us that you are our fellow believer is disingenuous. Do you expect me to believe in Bahai and throw out the Bible because your friends are in prison because of their faith? No my friend, I put my trust on the one who died and rose again.
@joab302016 Am I to take it then that you deny Moses, Abraham, and Noah? Because the Jews deny Christ, yet Christians say they "believe" in the preceding Prophets of the One God of Abraham. Please realize that in my belief in Baha'u'llah, I do not abrogate my belief in those Manifestations of God Who preceded Him. "All of the Prophets proclaim the same Faith." Perhaps you do not believe in the Return of Christ, or are comfortable if it is only in the future... always in the future...
@joab302016 Friend, I do not claim to be a "New Testament Christian" I am a Baha'i, which means that I identify myself as one who believes in the One called Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God. I see no contradiction between Him and Jesus, the Christ, just as I see no contradiction between Christ and Moses, or Moses and Abraham. Do you understand this position? It is difficult for some, from whatever perspective, and it represents a challenge to even consider as a possibility.
@fsmtdaler in the same way, our islamic friends cannot be called christians too. Even if they believe in Jesus and his virgin birth, there is no way for them to become like me. I believe in the NT and islam totally rejects it. You are a Bahai and I respect you for that.
@joab302016 Well, you put it well, for you do not call yourself a Jew, yet you believe in the Prophets of old. Please read Isaiah 62:2 and Rev 3:12 "Thou shalt be called by a New Name, which the Mouth of the Lord shall utter, which none knoweth save him that receives it." This Faith is not some simple passing cult, it carries the weight of change and challenge, the same as what Jesus bore, and Moses before Him. We Baha'is are sincere, willing to sacrifice everything for that belief.
@fsmtdaler My only objection with you is when you try to be like us (me and my friend Fisherman) when in reality you are not a NT based Christian. By your admission you are a follower of Bahai. And now since this matter is clear to us, I guess this concludes my discussion with you. I respect you as a human being. I hope that one day soon your friends will be free and be compensated justly for her time in prison that shouldn't happen in the first place.
@joab302016 For me, to be called a "Christian", would be like yourself saying, "Im still a Jew" That would fall short of the correct identity. I'm only saying that I still believe in Christ and Moses, more than ever, in my 30 years of being a Baha'i, and feel part of the One Fold and the One Shepherd, and testify to you about it, here, on this site, where Baha'is are attacked, not even allowed to fully answer questions. This site was posted by supposed representatives of Christian belief.
@fsmtdaler I cannot add any responses to you anymore. I just feel that my journey with you has ended. While reading your posts I searched google and found the passport picture of Bahaulah. I will not be surprised if you have long beards too. Im not saying that in a derogatory way.
@joab302016 He had been poisoned shortly before the photo, was not expected to live. Jesus and Moses had beards. Men do grow beards. Does this reveal an expectation of a shaven Messiah on your part? A crew cut, perhaps? ;-) Just teasing, but really. Prison and torture do have an affect upon one's appearance. Jesus was not too comely upon the cross, I presume. God bless you, and there is no need to reply. Thank you for your time, and patience with me.
@joab302016 Joab, I must go soon, but I wanted to thank you for being honest here. This is a hard venue for communication, you know, and it is hard to measure someone's sincerity. There is something about religion which is challenging. It brings out the best and the worst in people. All we can do is articulate in words what perspective is, and make room for another to do the same. I grant you your perspective. Please grant me mine. You did not give up Moses by accepting Jesus. Did you?
@fsmtdaler Moses obeyed the burning bush. He obeyed God when he was ordered to go to Pharaoh. He obeyed God when he is about to be stoned by the Israelites. He obeyed God in everything. Will you do the same? He slaughtered the Amelekites when it wasn't convenient for him to do that at that time and yet he trusted and obeyed God. My friend I know you are going soon but I admit that I learned a lot from you concerning Bahai faith. What to give up about Moses? He followed Gods Commands.
@joab302016 "Behold, I come quickly... He who overcomes... I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God... and I will write upon him My new name." Revelation 3:11 & 12 "As things were in Noah's days, so will they be when the Son of Man comes." Math 24:37 "I shall come upon you like a thief." Revelation 3:3 (A thief is come and gone before we awake, and we are the last to know.) "Happy the man who stays awake." Rev 16:15
@fsmtdaler - That`s Christ Jesus saying those Words, not the BaB, as your trying to imply. wake-up dead man, Christ Jesus will be calling your name soon Revelation 20:9-15. You are guilty of heresy in that you do add, and subtract from God`s Holy Scripture. The Bible. Revelation 22:16-22 reveals your very doom with the evil doctrines your teaching. II Corintians 4:3-6 on your teaching,, you entirely deny that Jesus is the image of God ,and the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@joab302016 "Followers of the Gospel… behold the gates of heaven are flung open. He that had ascended unto it is now come. Give ear to His voice calling aloud over land and sea, announcing to all mankind the advent of this Revelation.
By God! This is He Who hath at one time appeared in the name of the Spirit (Christ)
The time foreordained time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come." Baha'u'llah
@fsmtdaler - Having a charismatic personality with eyes that seem whatever constitutes nothing. Hitler had a charismatic character, and blue eyes,and power. Christ never said anything like that.The Prophets of God while in the Spirit of Prophecy spoke on behalf of God and the Words that proceeded from their mouths were Truth, and they testified of Christ Jesus as Lord, and God, and pointed to His birth as Saviour of the world, John 3;16.Jesus was not just an ordinaryman, He was God in the Flesh
@fsmtdaler - Ellen G. White founder of the Seventh- Day Adventists makes the same claim at the same time and calls Bahai`s liars, and she lies as well. So believing on Christ Jesus is of the paramount. Jesus is the same as was and there`s been no change for Christ Jesus is Immutable(unchangeable, for He is God). Your Prophet was a liar for his origins/sources"arch`e" for the information he received is not of Christ Jesus, Jesus is always Light,and everything that proceeds from Him(Christ Jesus)
@fsmtdaler - That`s false prophesy, and it doesn`t matter how long you believe in a lie, it doesn`t get any truer. 1844 is what Ellen G. White believed that as well, and that`s false prophesy. False Prophets speak on their own behalf, and God`s Word remains true, in Matthew 24, concerning those that come inHis name are false and Iiars, not to listen to them or go to them when you hear their lies concerning the Nature of Christ Jesus, and that is GOD. Bahai`s would pervert rules of simple grammar
@joab302016 - Muhammed loved little boys and girls, and Allah was the name of the god his particular villiage worshipped, and was a lackey of the R.C. Church
@fsmtdaler - You need to read I Corintians 1:18; "For the Preaching of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness, but to us which are SAVED it is THE GIFT OF GOD. Your in a perishing state and need instant heart surgery, Jesus is the Great Physician. Stop taking spiritual intoxicants that corrupt the mind and soul, and poison the spirit. Come to Jesus the Christ Bahai`s, He is the alpha and the Omega of Revelation 1, and 22. There is only one light that will shine from darkness, Christ Jesus
@fsmtdaler - Korah and his followers fell into a pit by the Hand of God for committing Idolatry while Moses was getting the Law, and Your fallacies do dig a hole that which only God Almighty can lift you out of. Come to Jesus Bahai`s, only Christ Jesus. He is all you need. He will heal you and make you whole. Your light has nothing to do with true Life. Jesus is the Life of Light. Bahai`s need to study the scripture alone with the Holy Spirit, and not their juxtaposed commentary upon the Bible
@fsmtdaler - everytime Scripture is used, Bahai`s use Baha U allah instead. Christ Jesus is greater and Baha U allah is a pervert, and Jesus Christ is Pure, and without blame, Baha U` alah had multi-wives, evil. Polytheism is contrary to God`s First Commandment. Pantheism denies Gods Transcendance
@fsmtdaler - The Gospel = the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ, not the bad news of the Pharisee`s, Sadduccee`s, or Essenes. The Gospel points to Christ as Saviour and fulfillment of the requirement s of the O.T. Law. The Pharisee`s, etc. rejected that Jesus is Messiah, just as Bahai`s do, and every other Non Christian Cult does. Christ Jesus is the Messiah who is the Saviour of the world.
@fsmtdaler -Pleeeeaaaassseee, Dr. Martin neeeeeveeeer denied Jesus Christ as Lord and God of all. That`s a lie, and I challenge you to produce this outrageous lie. If by what you mean is that Walter Martin Denies Your New Age Messiah BABEL, THEN I AGREE!!!!
@joab302016 I met a Jew a couple of days ago, following a weekly Bible study group, and asked him why Jews rejected Christ. He gave an answer which is not unlike the denunciations expressed here, based upon solid, traditional, literal reasonings which are, in reality, hard heartedness, hard headedness, and self-certainty. For 2000 years Christians have told Jews "He has come." Now Baha'is of Jewish descent are telling Christians "He has come." "Again" as we were promised. Watch. Watch...
@fsmtdaler Of course you liked what you heard because you do not believe in the all sufficiency of Christ as the only savior for all eternity for all men. Jesus said it is finished. God has torn the veil from top to bottom in the temple after Jesus death. That death opened a way for us going to the Holy of Holies to the very throne of God. That means you have that direct access to the Father through Jesus. Baha Ula la is an impostor.
@joab302016 I know. I have been there. If you are sincere, you will have to struggle through search and prayer. Thats about all I can say to you. When Jesus said "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first", I believe that it is the same as before, in HIs time, when these same "learned divines", the "first", were the last to recognize, while a simple fisherman, Peter, one of the "last", was the first. He wasn't carrying all that knowledge and pride, but rather, a pure heart
@fsmtdaler It is not enough to be sincere and prayerful when you follow your walk with Christ. You also NEED to be OBEDIENT and TRUST in Jesus when he warned us about the false christ! It is either you are stubborn or just plainly deceived. Your prayer will not be heard if you deny Christ.
@joab302016 - AAAAmen. Jesus is the only ONE who could do that, because He was the perfect sacrefice, and there was no more need of animal sacrefices behind a Veil. It is Finished.
@fsmtdaler -Once again, you create a scenerio with no substance to subststantiate anything you are saying as truth. You obviously haven`t read the Acts of the Apostles in the actual Bible, and have no idea of any real church history. Christ Jesus is the way, and the truth, no man comes to the Father but through Him John 14:6, You are of your Father, the Father of Lies. Bahaism is a non Christian Cult, and to attach yourself to christianity through riddles, is the wrong way!!! It`s through Jesus.
@joab302016 RIDICULOUS!!!, It is the Bahai`s who deny Eternal Life from it`s only origin, and That`s Christ Jeus of the New Testament. He is God. He is the only Alpha and Omega of Revelation. Bahai`s will be judged according to changing scripture to mean what is not, and adding and subtracting from scripture has severe and dire consequences as in Revelation 22. Persue to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, Christ Jesus alone. He promises eternal Life and will receive to heaven Himself.
@joab302016 - Got the wrong man, brother, it`s The Fsmtdaler man that was mean`t for, Iapologize and never would I mean such a thing to someone who knows The way, the truth, and the Life. You are a student of the Word of God. My mistake.
@fsmtdaler - Bahaism is a non- christian cult, because of what Bahai`s proclaim as Truth. Come to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, He`s the only ONE of which true Salvation is obtained through
@fsmtdaler BAHAISM IS A NON CHRISTIAN CULT PERIOD. and how this status is Bahai`ism to own. Because true Christians are exhorted to place line upon line, and precept upon precept, concernig God`s Holy Word. Bahaism relies on their interpretations to commentary on Holy Writ, when the Bible is PLAIN SPEAK concerning the nature of Christ Jesus, and that is GOD. John1:1 = Revelation 19:13, and not the baha` U` allah who had multi wives(Polygamist), and a Polytheist, and Panthiest,all are antichrist.
And further We have said: "That which God hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful, and inspired 63 Physician. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 62)
@stevenmasua - A Big Total World Harmonic Conversion. UMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! Christ Jesus is the true unifier, Bahaism seduces unsuspecting, and unwary peoples out of their money, and leaves them hopeless, and without hope. Continually feeding on a daily diet of dis-information will bring confusion, and doubt, Christ Jesus Knows His Sheep, and His Sheep Hear His Voice, and are fed the truth, so that the sheep might abide in the truth. Come to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, come to Jesus He is God.
By My life! This is the truth, and all else naught but error. Each time that Most Mighty Instrument hath come, and that Light shone forth from the Ancient Dayspring, He was withheld by ignorant physicians who, even as clouds, interposed themselves between Him and the world. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 62)
It failed therefore, to recover, and its sickness hath persisted until this day. They indeed were powerless to protect it, or to effect a cure, whilst He Who hath been the Manifestation of Power amongst men was withheld from achieving His purpose, by reason of what the hands of the ignorant physicians have wrought. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 63)
@stevenmasua God is the only Omnipotent ONE, Omnisciennt ONE, and Omniessence ONE. Baha U` allah is powerless to forgive his own sin and died trying to be a god with multi-wives. Mormonism is your bedfellow, and you teach Pantheism, and Polytheism. Christians serve only ONE GOD Bahai`s, Stop trying to leach spiritual insight, in that which you are powerless to take unless Christ Jesus allows it. Jesus says you only have to go through Him, that`s all.
Bible Ocean is a so- called Bahai software package for download, I know this. Yet Bahai`s are talking against what other Bahai`s say concernig Christ Jesus,Men with men, and women also. These are lies perpetrated by Bahai`s themselves. Sorry, denial by attrition doesn`t exist. Luke 19:10. Bahai`s need a diet of the WORD OF GOD, not from the dead man without a voice and will never rise again from the dead, and the little pervert with the many wives is so very dead, just like Bahaism.
Briefly, the superior reality does not descend nor abase itself to inferior states; then how could it be that the Universal Reality of God, which is freed from all descriptions and qualifications, notwithstanding Its absolute sanctity and purity, should resolve Itself into the forms of the realities of the creatures, which are the source of imperfections? This is a pure imagination which one cannot conceive. (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 292) End of a discussion about pantheism.
@NashvilleEcoBright - Very nice and again, denying what another Bahai said to another Bahai was men with men, and women as such, maybe Bahai`s have to many voices and nobody knows what is going on, nonetheless, Bahai`s denial of Alpha and Omega as Christ Jesus, not the 5 foot puppet of the Father of Lies. You do err greatly with your smoke and mirrors religion of the lost. Terminally in Love with Christ Jesus, yes.
I`ve answered your questions with statements and THE WORD OF GOD, it is bahai`s who refuse to listen and learn. Obviously, for I find myself repeating that Christ Jesus is the only way, only to have Bahai`s frame the question differintly, expecting a differint result. Same answer only with more cogent words of babble and nonsense. Only to the puppet to the puppeteer, Bahai`s mime, the say nonsense. Twisting scripture to no end to suit their pathetic ego.
I`ve answered your questions with statements and THE WORD OF GOD, it is bahai`s who refuse to listen and learn. Obviously, for I find myself repeating that Christ Jesus is the only way, only to have Bahai`s frame the question differintly, expecting a differint result. Same answer only with more cogent words of babble and nonsense. Only to the puppet to the puppeteer, Bahai`s mime, the same nonsense. Twisting scripture to no end and calling that Godly. Bahaism is what it eats.
@NashvilleEcoBright Please, in order to know a couterfeit from the true, a treasury agent solely studies the original document in order to identify a counterfeit at a glance, from the true document. Peresevere to Christ Jesus. Inferior states? Come on, please Christ humbled himself, and became man. That theory just turned to a de-evolution sized wafer cookie. Bahai`s are ignorant of the Nature of God, and spew liies all over the place.
Oh my, where to begin. I'm sorry, but you remain terminally confused about the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Homosexuality is not okay, it is forbidden. "All is God and God is All" is not an idea put forth by our Faith, that is pantheism which we see as blasphemy. We believe God to be sovereign over all creation and eternally exalted above it. Surely we can discuss differences between the things we believe without resorting to false accusations.
Baha U`llah, and His Legions of thieves. Little man with the multi-wives. The Book of Baboon is Bahaism`s other Bible, Mormon is your other fornicating twin sister. Alpha and Omega is Christ Jesus.
told a fraud and "The Father of Lies". Only one way to God. Bahai`s believe in The New Revelation, that says "I am the root and offspring" of any way, if it feels, right and good it must be good, withever looking up the ingredients you do eat, it all up. No, Proverbs 3 Trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not ot your own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy path. Only One, Alpha and Omega, Christ Jesus, And Not the little king midget, Baha U`llah..
...And yet true christians are told their narrow-minded, bigoted, and evil? No the true christian is given discernment to discover a couterfeit Jesus a mile away, for if Abraham could see the pre-incarnate Christ Jesus, on the plain of Mamare approaching news of doom for Sodom and Gommorrah, the true christian recognizes the Christ Jesus even before we see Him, and know He` is coming, and His reward is with Him, The Alpha and the Omega==Christ Jesus, not Baha U`llah. Baha U` llah is a fraud....
This first video is actually very informative and for the most part accurate. It is very nice of you Mr. Martin, to spread the Glad Tidings that Baha'u'llah has come in all His Great Glory. I am looking forward to watching the rest of it. The only thing I would add is that the Bab, Siyyid Ali Muhammad, is "the Promised Christ", the Messiah, the Qa'im, and, like John the Baptist, the Bab was also a Herald. John heralded the Son of God. The Bab heralded the Father of Christ and His Son.
GeorgeFarideh 3 weeks ago
Bahai = IDENTITY THEFT
Mascarades as a Christian when in reality it is not. That is my opinion in my two weeks observation.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 there is no Lifelock for religious deception. But the Son of God, the Lord Jesus is always there to the rescue for all victims who call upon his name.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 - This Non Christian Cult rejects Jesus Christ as the only true Messiah for mankind, and they lie concerning who The Alpha and The Omega is In Revelation 1 and 22. They speak of Christ, But their Christ is a fraud and speaks lies, and says they are the new christian without an absolute Saviour who absolutely saves.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
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joab302016 1 month ago
bahaism is a Non Christian Cult. It adhere`s and practices Pantheism, Polytheism, and Polygamy. The Bible on the on the other hand teaches there is ONE God expressed in three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three are One, and their NATURE is that of GOD. Bahai`s teach you are god, and everyone else can achieve god status. Jesus says in Matthew 24 that "Let no man deceive you"..."For many shall come in my name and claim themselves as Christ" Jesus WARNS, DON`T BELIEVE THEM. BAHAISM.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 BAHAI = IDENTITY THIEF
joab302016 1 month ago
"Say: O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of God with such standards and sciences as are current amongst you, for the Book itself is the unerring Balance established amongst men. In this most perfect Balance whatsoever the peoples and kindreds of the earth possess must be weighed, while the measure of its weight should be tested according to its own standard, did ye but know it.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler -You know none this of applies to the Bible, let alone, the only Salvation available to mankind, and that`s through Christ Jesus.The Word of God(The Bible only) is the only source for Faith, Life and Practice.What you do is Babble,and it`s goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden when mankind accepted the Lie of the Serpent in Genesis 3,That you shall become like god. You have been tested by the Book you claim is not inspired because your little god says so, and is a pervert.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
Over & above what we believe MAY be true, ie God exists, the Bible is the ONLY authority of truth or whether Jesus is God..etc, people advocating & manifesting love, compassion, peace, kindness & non-violence(Bahaism advocates vegetarianism) ALL qualities of the historical Jesus.
How is Bahaism misleading people?
The only time we should call others out on belief, is when what they believe is the impetus to cause UNNECESSARY SUFFER to conscious creatures, both Human & Non-Human.
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath - Manifestation, has nothing to do with The Truth, Jesus Christ is the Truth and the truth is perfect and immutable. Jesus Christ is the same as yesterday, and eternally has been and forever will be Savior, and God, the only avenue to Eyernal Life, and Eternal Fellowship with God Himself for Eternity,along with fellow like believers who trusted, as well as trust that Christ Jesus arose from the dead and we too will live and be like Him, for He promises,and never lies.Baha U` allah lies
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Even if Baha U' Allah lies, if he is inspiring people to Love(God is love) and they are distancing themselves from causing UNNECESSARY SUFFERING to other conscious creature by becoming vegetarians, then certainly he rates highly in my book.
Everything u have said above about your convictions of religious certainty is the same as the claims that a Muslim would make, so please explain to someone, on the outside looking in, why your argument has any more credibility
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath - What Kind of Love?
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Jesus implores us to "become like little children", I don't know if u remember what it was like as an innocent child to feel intimately connected with everything, I still do hv this feeling.... ALL creatures were my companions.
Perhaps our greatest love is with the entire universe or "God" if u feel more comfortable with that word... Anyway labels are not nearly as important as the reality they point too.
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath That synthesis your heart strings are feeling will only come to it`s full fruition and meaning through your Creator, and Jesus is His Name. He is Coming again to restore Order, and True Justice, He is our Peace, and He restores that position of peace we once had through Christ Jesus by removing what separates us from Him, and true harmonious fellowship with God Almighty Himself. There is only ONE Life in Light John1:1-3, all others are just bright shiny objects, that draw away from God
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 I'm sure God/JC etal, feels ALL beings 2b her children(female aspect of God). Like any loving parent she would respond to any authentic cry of distress from her children, even if the child mistakenly calls her by a different name ie Quan Yin, Allah, Zeus, Great Spirit or even God..etc. Why do Xtians obsess Gods name? JC considered the Pharisees to be OK if they weren't hypocritical, & they weren't Xtian! The labels aren't as important as the reality they point 2!
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath Pantheist
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Pantheism is wrong, in what sense? You mean a God that we believe has attributes extending to infinity can't have more than ONE name?? Same God different name...
If a God exists there can only be one God... Perhaps u need to revise the job description.
And ur contention that Christianity is the ONLY WAY is bizarre, especially given that Jesus never went around condemning others religion, but he certainly called them out on hypocrisy & immorality.
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath - You teach by your definition of Infinity. Try Charles Hodges definition of Infinity and then you`ll begin to understand that The God and Lord of allll, your gods with differint names do not == Christ Jesus. You believe by the definition of the word Infinity you defined is "God is all, and all is God" The Lie of The Serpent Genesis 3. God is transcendent, and Immutable, your gods are all over the place teaching Babel.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 If u were to ask a child what they value in life, quite simply they would say being happy(being loving ie manifesting God as the bible say God is Love). If Charles Hodges could keep his writings simply enough that a child could understand, the child Jesus implores us all to be to feel the truth, then the majority might appreciate his contribution
The truth doesn't require intellectual gymnastics. All we need to do is manifest LOVE & GOD is there
veganath 1 month ago
Listen, we don't have to agree on what each of us believes, however the ONLY time I would expect u to call me out & draw the line on my beliefs is when what I believe is the impetus to cause conscious being to suffer unnecessarily. We shouldn't accept eg flying planes into buildings.. etc
What we believe MAY BE THE TRUTH isn't important compared to being loving, kind, compassionate & non-violent. ALL institutionalized religions advocate these qualities as the road to salvation.
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath - sorry Muslims don`t believe in an absolute Saviour who Absolutely saves. Christians Believe in only 1 way of Salvation and Bahaism has nothing to do with saving souls. Medication works well, and smoke and mirrors of your spiritual perversionis not love, rather a lie. The Lie of The Serpent. Pantheism, and Polytheism is not Christianity, that`s Bahaism. The problem is Bahaism makes the claims that are reserved and devoted to Christ Jesus.So stop soft peddling your perverted commentary
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 the Biblical word of God and our interpretation of the word are not the same same thing, as evidenced from the multitude of Christian sects. There isn't even consensus of interpretation between baptists & 7th day Adventists
I would posit that we shld b vigilant 4 messages in verses that we haven't fully understood yet eg 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. This could possibly be interpreted in a number of way. Personally I prefer the contemplative traditions insight
veganath 1 month ago
We could both debate the meaning of scripture from our 'fallen interpretations', but finally need to ask ourselves with the heart of the loving compassion of Christ, if what we do is for our spiritual self interest and that of God's plan for the renewal of all creation for the Peaceable Kingdom. The Peaceable Kingdom like the Garden of Eden will be perfect. ALL beings will manifest LOVE(GOD) & compassion.
None will cause unnecessary suffering, it will be a vegetarian paradise
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath No, your way offthere vegnath, There is only one God, and you want to imply that because the other little gods don`t have status when in His presence. Oh, in case you have forgotten, that the True God`s Name is a bunch of synonyms, describing the same God, and as far as christian sects calling the name of god differint is Polytheism, not True Christianity and Christ Jesus nature is that of God, our Lord, and true God, not the Baba black sheep.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Even if Baha U' Allah lies, if he is inspiring people to Love(God is love) and they are distancing themselves from causing UNNECESSARY SUFFERING to other conscious creature by becoming vegetarians, then certainly he rates highly in my book.
Everything u have said above about your convictions of religious certainty is the same as the claims that a Muslim would make, so please explain to someone, on the outside looking in, why your argument has any more credibility
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath There`s the differince!, Baha U` alah Lies and it`s easier to believe in a lie than the truth because you are of your Father, The Father of Lies. Jesus Christ never, never lied because His NATURE is that of GOD, He cannot lie, for their is no darkness in Him. Baha U` allah`s NATURE on the other hand is that of a mere man, not god. Muhammed was not god, Jesus said He was God in the Flesh. Salvation to man comes through Messiah(Saviour). Not Bahai`s lie of how Salvation is obtained.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Jesus’ life showed us the spiritual evolutionary stages we all need to go through in order to manifest LOVE for ALL, or manifest GOD(Whoever does not LOVE does not know GOD, because GOD is LOVE-1 John 4:8)
Jesus at the beginning of his ministry was proclaimed a “Messenger of God,” later as his spiritual love grew he felt moved to proclaimed himself a “Son of God,” John 3:16-18 and nearing the end of his ministry proclaimed “I and the Father are One” John10:30.
veganath 1 month ago
@veganath - It`s called Revelation 22. Adding and subtracting from The Holy Bible is a curse. There is no new Revelation according to The Bab. Christ Jesus is the only Alpha and Omega of Revelation 1, and 22. Jesus NEVER claimed to be just a messenger, if God wanted a messenger He would of sent one of His Angels, as in Gabriel to Joseph and Mary. Jesus stated unequivocally that He is the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father but through Me John 14:6. II Corintians 4:3-6.....
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@TheFisherman57 @TheFisherman57 - Your quasi/pseudo Babel has no bearing on Scripture and Bahai`s refuse to follow simple rules of GRAMMAR. That`s expected since Bahaism and it`s outside of the normative expressions of True CHRISTIANITY Interpretations accept everything opposite of what the WORD OF GOD states, because Bahai`s have a need to relativize Christianity with their New Age Messiah, The BaB man, not god bab.Panteism,Polytheism, and Polygamy are forbidden, and they exalt themselves above
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@TheFisherman57 the 1st Commandment. Just as Bahai`s elevate themselves against :The Glorious Gospel(Good News) of Jesus Christ. Jesus did say that He and the Father are one, truth!! Yet, Christ Jesus said that"The Father is Greater than I. And besides the text you used to present your pantiestic ideas about who God is, and that of His Nature. Jesus, The Father and The Holy Spirit are ONE!. Try John5:39, and verse 46, then read the whole passage you tried to cite as your own pernicious dogma.
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@TheFisherman57 Interestingly there is only 1 reference to Jesus being the only way(as interpreted by Christians), if that was as important as Christians want everyone to believe why would there only be the one reference to it.
However there are so many references in the Bible to the importance of LOVE.
'Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these'
Mark 12:31(Sounds important?)
'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love' 1John4:8
veganath 3 weeks ago
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:13(Sounds important?)
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without
expecting to get anything back.Then your reward will be great(Heaven within), and you will be sons of the Most High(as was Jesus), because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:35
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13
veganath 3 weeks ago
How would u explain ur "Biblical truth" ie the imperative to accept Jesus as ur savior else be condemned to an eternity in hell to these 3 beautiful girls, they are congenitally blind & deaf & therefore dumb
No they weren't unfortunate to be born in an Islamic country, they live in the US Bible belt
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JC emphasized LOVE so much more than being an only way. So even if you were unfortunate not to know Jesus, if you manifest LOVE, you know God
veganath 3 weeks ago
Thus, ages have passed and centuries rolled away, and that most pure Spirit hath repaired unto the retreats of its ancient sovereignty. Once more hath the eternal Spirit breathed into the mystic trumpet, and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness and error unto the realm of guidance and grace. And yet, that expectant community still crieth out: 'When shall these things be?'" Kitab-I-Iqan p 25 Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
My friend's sister is serving 20 years for not denying Baha'u'llah, in an Iranian prison. 20,000 have died refusing to deny Him since 1844. "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam." Jeremiah 49:38 He has...
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Sincerity does not equal Truth. I don`t know of anyone who would not die for religious freedom. That`s what America is about. Yet the very America that allows you to believe in your religion, and practice it, you would deny it`s true heritage to instruct you as to who, what, and why we are America. I know comrades in arms who stand for American Exceptionalism, tortured, and are still missing, for a reason,and that you on the other hand would dictate to who, a christian really is.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
When forbidden by law to hurl rocks in the faces of their enemies, they hurl words like "cult", repeatedly, trying to inflict damage, rather than discern the light of truth, from which they flee. As Jesus said to the Walter Martins of His Day: "O, ye generation of vipers!" For they hisss and they spit in the faces of the believers, who dare to follow the Light of the Age.
fsmtdaler 2 months ago
@fsmtdaler Dr. Martin is against new gospels that are totally different gospel from what his apostles had taught. Jesus is Lord and all religions will bow to him.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 So were the Pharasees... They denied Him, even as Dr Martin denied Him, while us simple folk recognize that same tone embodied in "My sheep know My voice." Its really that simple (and difficult). "Verily, the Father hath come..."
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler what is Dr. Martin denying about Jesus?
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 He clings to His Name, yet denies His Light, which has appeared as promised. The Bahai Faith offers infinite evidence supporting the claims of the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Foremost are the Words themselves. Next to that abundant and plain fulfillment of prophecies, not only from the Old and New Testaments, but from all religious traditions, including Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Native American. It is the spirit of this dialogue which exposes the hearts, as in days past.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler That we deny. Jesus is more than enough for any modern man living today. Any one who claims to be the Christ is just an impostor. We are warned already about that and we expect many false christ coming. We will not bow our loyalty to Bahai. Our faith is in Jesus alone and the authority of the Bible.
joab302016 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Set put Horus`s left eye out, same as the god Odin, two lefts, don`t make a right. The BaB eye theory is polytheism, and pantheism, and Native american is radically differint than your relativisation of everything. Christianity is exemplary, for Christians serve only ONE GOD, not many, For God`s nature is ONE expressed in 3 persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You teach foreign and false gods, and false worship, Idolatry is a sin, and evil in the sight of the Lord God of Heaven
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Dr. Walter Martin claimed the name of Jesus as His personnal Lord and Saviour and consistantly proclaimed Jesus Christ as the God and Lord. He lived his life in the Life of Light and gave to the True Christian Church great service in the name of The Lord, Saviour, and God of all Life.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 - You cannot have it both ways!. You have been all over these Bahai pages promulgating, and postulating everything against Christ Jesus, and are confused, and set confusion as your primary dogmas. True Christians aren`t confused over John 14:6 is. Bahai`s have a problem with understanding simple rules of GRAMMAR. Bahai`s are ignorant of rules of GRAMMAR, because they weave webs of Deceit upon unwary and unsuspecting peoples!, to exact tons of money to lie.
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler - Dr. Martin does not deny the Light of Jesus!!1, Because he doesn`t deny the LightGiver, Please read John 1:1-5. Jesus is the Life in Light. Baha U` allah is not Light, he is a sinner in need of a saviour in which he unequivocally denies as you do because your father, the Father of Lies. John 14:6 is the way, the truth and the Life, no man comes to the father but thrugh Him John 14:6=Romans 11, and How you get there is through John 3 "Born Again" Jesus`s way. Christ Jesus Bahai`s
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - That`s an outright lie, because John 1:3, In Him was Light... Your in total denial as to who Jesus Christ is that`s why you try to use the Bible as your New Age Messiah`s Hanbook. The Bible is a strong chain unbroken, even by the BaB eye. Bab can`t break it, so bahai`s pervert the truth to exact their will upon Holy Writ. II Corintians 4:3-6
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 "We have decreed, O people, that the highest and last end of all learning be the recognition of Him Who is the Object of all knowledge; and yet, behold how ye have allowed your learning to shut you out, as by a veil, from Him Who is the Dayspring of this Light, through Whom every hidden thing hath been revealed." Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler Im not impressed. Muhammad can write much more better than that.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 My friend, there is a common source from which all of the prophets of God draw their inspiration. We can look at this page, or that, and note differences. If you are sincere, and without prejudice, study the Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah. It begins in the Arabic. (cont)
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - You do show your ignorance of ancient Eastern Literature in that the Bible is not just one book but 66 written over a 4, 000 or more years. It was written in the Hebrew tongue from their original language, not arabic, or Reformed Egyptian Heirogliphics. The Bible is written in plain speak and speaks of it`s contents, not of yours. Christians are instructed to "Study to show themselves of God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Read Matthew 24, and then you`ll see your fraud Baha U` alah as just a 4 ft. 9in Genie who spouts out all kinds of confusion, and dis information. Christ Jesus Bahai`s, Christ Jesus. Christ warned of false Christ`s trying to pretend they were Him, and Christians are intrucrwd wisely to "Study to show ourselves approved of God a Workman that doesn`t need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth" Christians hear their Shepherds Voice clearly. Bahai`s are a Worthless Shepherd.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 He is the Glory of Glories This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of divine virtue.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@joab302016 O Son of Spirit! Possess a pure, kindly, and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable, and everlasting.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler Read the book of revelation and you will rediscover the real Jesus. He was Jesus in earth and He is still Jesus in heaven. The book of Revelation being a record of what going to happen in the future describes who Jesus in great detail in his glory and power. Jesus said: "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." That invitation is still open for you. The real Jesus is in the throne of heaven
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 Well, friend, I do hear His voice in the verses recited and sent down in this age by the Pen of Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God. We were told that "Christ shall return in the Glory of God", and He has, but it won't be settled on You Tube, will it? Saul had to kill a few Christians before He turned into Paul, and some of these folks need to throw their rocks of denial in His face until they're exhausted or tired of hearing themselves talk, for "eyes they have, but see not", ya know.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Your a liar, and the truth or the Light of Life is not in what you say. Our Brother Peter tells us "That no Scripture is of any private interperatation, rather Holy Men of God Spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit". They moved by God`s Holy Spirit, the same one in Acts Chapter 5. The spirit that you claim the BaBeyedman has is the spirit of Legion, for Baha U` allah speaks many lies contrary to everything Christ Jesus the True Alpha and Omega says in His Holy Word.Bahai`s lie
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 - You can`t be a Christian, and deny, That Christ Jesus is God. Deny the Resurrection, and Eternal Life through Christ is fallacious and cursed. II Corintians on that teaching. They continually apply the alpha and Omega of Rev. 1;18-22, and Chapter 22 to Baha U` allah. This guy was a polygamist and pantheist, and had multi wives and he`s more authoritive than The Lord Christ Jesus. Wrong, Alert. False, Liar, Thief, Bahaism is not christian in any form of the word, or context.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
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joab302016 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 I read many of your posts/reply. You clearly love the Lord Jesus a lot.
We cannot go beyond the words of God to do either more or less. I remember Peter when the Lord Jesus was abandoned by many of his followers except his 12 disciples after Jesus claimed to be the bread of life. He asked the twelve, "are you also going to leave me?" But Peter answered, "Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life! We believe that you are the Holy One of God."
joab302016 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler -Radiant Heart??? Our Lord says "That the heart is the most deceitful member of the body, and is most desperately wicked", with that little light, you so called have, Just imagine how deep the dark is!. Come to Jesus Bahai`s He is the only Light which proceeds from the darkness, and is the true Life in Light, John 1;1-5, Christ Jesus says that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Him" John 14;6. II Corintians 4;3-6 on Bahai`s teaching.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behoveth thee to be. Verily, justice is My gift to thee, and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it before thine eyes
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - If your sight were justice, everyone would die, and you would commit suicide, God`s Justice is called the Bible, and how He will mete out His Justice upon a rebellious mankind, if they don`t repent of their wickedness.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 O Son of Man! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Please, you continually poison yourself and now need a complete blood transfusion from Christ Jesus, He will save you, He`s the great Physician, and will give you eternal life. Trust Him, and obey Him, and you will be healed of the spiritual fornication, you commit daily. Bahaism teaches olytheism, and pantheism, which is false teaching without hope or degrades man. Christ Jesus lifts us to high, for we are in Him. Christians believe in an absolute Saviour, who Absolutely Saves.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 O Son of Man! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - The spirit that which you are speaking of is that of an unholy spirit. To those who come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ have the authentic Life in Light, and that of Eternal Life through the bodily Resurrection of Christ Jesus, Who Is, Who Was, and Forever shall Be, GOD. You do, tech the "Serpent of the Lie" Genesis 3. I wonder of which divine nature you inherit? It is that divine nature lied to Adam and Eve. It is appointed for man to die once then the Judgement.
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 O Son of Being! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler your incantation will not work on me. My God is greater than the spirit behind your false religion. I hope one day you will come back to Jesus Christ.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 It is not an incantation, friend. The reality of Christ is greater than His appearance in Jesus for, as He said, "Before Abraham was, I am." He still is, and when He appears from age to age, men deny Him. "Out of His mouth proceeds a two-edged sword" by which He separates believer from non-beleiver. You are free to believe or not to believe as you wish. My statements here reflect my belief. Thank you, and God bless
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler that is your imaginary Christ. The Jesus of the Bible is the God Almighty. He does not change. The Book of Hebrews proves you wrong. The angels worship him, and even God the Father said this to Jesus: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..." Jesus himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." So in the beginning he is the I AM, and in the end he is still the I AM. You cannot deceive us. We have been warned about false christ.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 - Continually they attack the Deity of Jesus Christ, His Full Bodily Resurrection, and the promise to the Believer that He is the way, and throught Him is eternal life. Itching ears, and deprabed hearts. Ever learning, and never able to come to the truth, from such.... And they call Real Christians, Christites, and deserve death. They are the new revelation, and hammer of god, rather their Father is the devil ans alllll His Lies, and minions.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
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@fsmtdaler that is your imaginary Christ. The Jesus of the Bible is the God Almighty. He does not change. The Book of Hebrews proves you wrong. The angels worship him, and even God the Father said this to Jesus: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..." Jesus himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." So in the beginning he is the I AM, and in the end he is still the I AM. You cannot deceive us. We have been warned about false christ.
joab302016 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler There`s no differince. Please excercise your theological muscles on terra firma
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - You are a deceiver, and unskilfull in the handling of God`s word. God`s reality is reality irregardless of how He chooses to present Himself. age to age statement is a wedge and tries to imply that Christianity is Pantheistic,and Polytheistic. God is ONE!!!. Not All is god, and god is all is false teaching and not christian, teaching that man is god is Idolatry and forbidden in the Bible, Baha U` allah is a False Prophet and Teacher who spiritually Fornicates with Doctrnes of Demons
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 You are clearly convinced that you are the final authority. I can't change that. Nor can I acquaint you with the teachings of Baha'u'llah, for you are in the stage of Saul, busily attacking Him and those who have turned towards Him. You will persist in your attacks. If you could, I suspect that you would do as the Mullas of Iran have done for over a 150 years, kill, torture, and imprison the Baha'is. This is what you get off on, so have at it, brother. God bless you.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - The Scripture is the final Authority period, where the Christian is concerned. Baha U` allah is a false teacher, claiming false authority. Even Saul recognized that, but somehow BaBman got it al correct where Jesus the Christ got it wrong??? Bahai`s were kicked out of Persia because they were telling the truth?? Irregardless, Stop lieing. Bahaism is a NON CHRISTIAN CULT,because Bahism is in complete denial of the OBJECT OF SALVATION, CHRIST JESUS, of the REAL BIBLE.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Know thou that when the Son Of Man yielded up His breath to God the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee, The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the oldest hands have produced (cont)
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - That` s false, The Bible explicitely states that He came unto His own and His own recognized Him not and rejected Him. Creation didn`t mourn, rather great celebration at His Resurrection, as a Christian I rejoice at the passing of a brother or sister for I know Christ Jesus`s promise is that every man is to die once , then the judgement, where we must all appear before Almighty God naked. Ha, Ha, ha. In Christ Jesus we walk blameless, while you walk as dead men.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 (cont) the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent spirit.
We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the Leprosy of Perversity and ignorance. (cont)
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Who`s transcendent quickening Power are you talking about? Jesus THE CHRIST is the only one with that QUICKENING POWER!!. EPHESIANS 2 'AND YOU HAS HE(JESUS) QUICKENED(MADE ALIVE) WHO WERE DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SINS"... . Read the whole chapter. Your dead! without Christ Jesus, and no Mantra is going to humm you out of what everyone will do, and that`s Every Knee Shall Bow and Every Tongue Confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord. That means Baha U` alah will say Jesus is Lord, and kneel
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 (cont) Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.
Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised, (cont)
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Are you confessing that Jesus is God, and Lord of All? If yes, then Halellujah, and Amen, if not, then you need Hom now. You are very, very, very, Deceived,and Lost (triple replication of very is very important to know if know anything of Hebrew Literature) especially when Jesus the Christ uses this format in John 3. I know you must of missed that, because you immediately have asked for a Heart Transplant, a complete Blood Transfusion, a completely renewed Mind and Being.Persevere!!
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 (cont) We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.
(Bahá’u’lláh: Gleanings, Pages: 85-86)
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - It doesn`t say every leper was cleansed and, Christians bear witness to the Power of His Word through the Testimony of His Holy Spirit within the Believer whereby we know We are the Children of God whereby We cry ABBA Father, We have the Spirit of Adoption of the Father, through Christ Jesus, a Christians relationship is personnal, and as Christians Joint-Heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together Romans 8.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - No, The Bible Convinced me,of it`s infallible proofs, that it is the sole Book that a man must use to Walk in Righteousness, and that righteous proceeds forth from the Son of God , Jesus the Christ, and God Himself in the Flesh.John 8;58. I`m not qualified to question the mind of God Almighty. a Treasury Agent doesn`t study the counterfeit in order to discover a counterfeit. Rather the Treasury Agent studiously studies the Authentic, so that in one glance it`s origin is corrupted.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 Well friend, as a Christian who became a Baha'i thirty years ago, I had to look twice, and three times, and more to come to the realization that Christ was good on His Word, that He indeed came as a Thief in the Night, in 1844 (see Daniel), in Elam (see Jeremiah), where He set His Throne, and toppled the King and the Princes, etc. Napoleon, Czar, Kaiser, Sultan, Shah etc, all gone! Israel has gone home. Gnite...
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler Do you recognize Ron Hubbard(Scientologist) as a manifestation of God? Do you think that the spirit of Christ was on him too? Please answer Im just curious on what you are going to say about him.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 No, I don't. Nor Moon, or Jones, etc. The difference is like the sun compared to a piece of tinfoil. False prophets are quite obviously derelict, whereas when you listen to the words of Christ, they stand out as remarkable and different from ordinary men. Please read some of the words of Baha'u'llah for your own self, and see the difference. He is not in the same category. Visit Baha'i dot org if you desire. Thank you
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler What would you say then to Jesus when he warned us about false Christ claiming to be just like him? Jesus explicitly implied that there will be no other like him. How can he have a replacement since Jesus is still alive and well in heaven. In fact Jesus is doing his duty as our high priest at this very moment. Will you worship Jesus as it is described in Revelations 4 & 5? I worship Jesus, he is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 He said, 'Ye shall know them by their fruits.' His deeds must match His words, as Jesus gave His life and surrendered to the cross. Also, He said "Watch", and that He would come as a Thief in the Night. For me, His reality is eternal. His appearance on earth, as a human, is subject to human limitations: eating, breathing, living, & dying. So the human identity remains human. We must look for something more than we see in ourselves. The Words of God are more than ours.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@joab302016 Those false Christs are super egotists. Their words are not from God. They do not sacrifice themselves for others, but live selfishly. Some are simply deluded, and inconsistent. Yet the One Who says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega", and "Before Abraham was, I am", has always existed. He appears from age to age as the One sent by God. His Words are the Script of God's Pen, you might say, and He is the Mouthpiece of God. "My sheep know My voice."
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@joab302016 I worship none but God, and recognize Jesus as the Son of God. What does this mean? For Abraham was the "Friend" of God. Moses, His Lawgiver. Jesus, His Son. Each term denotes the special relationship between God and His Messenger, the Messiah. The Bab is the "Gate" of God. Baha'u'llah is the Glory of God. They manifest the Presence of God on earth, and reveal His attributes through their lives and Words. There is no contradiction.
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler Key Words Messenger DOES NOT Equal GOD. Messenger could be a Angel. The texts are specific, as to the Identity, and nature of anyone talking in the Bible(a Jack-ass Talked to Balaam) The nature of a jack-ass didn`t change because he spoke to Balaam). Balaam`s nature didn`t change talking back to the jack-ass. So we presume that rules of grammar apply for a reason concerning The Holy Bible. Your Hermeneutic is so very defective and lacking, and represents nothing of the normative ex..
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 expressions of Christian faith, and is esoteric at best. Bahaism is a non Christian cult group, that claims a new revelation for a new world order, That Bahai`s revelations source or origins are rooted in the mouth of the Father of Lies, and Worthless Shepherd.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler the Bible said that: at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth... Jesus is no equal with Bab, Baha ulah, or Moses. All of them including you and me will bow to Jesus. There is contradiction here. Jesus is unique. Im quoting the book of Philippians to refute you. Jesus is not just a plain messenger. He is the Son of God above all.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 My dear friend and fellow believer in Jesus, the Christ. "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bare them now. Albeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth." For Baha'is, the Spirit of Truth has indeed come, as foretold by His Holiness Jesus. This is not simple matter, but one which requires much prayer and investigation.
fsmtdaler 4 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler This is what the Bible said about the Lord Jesus: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind." And in other passage it adds about him: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness." Ur god Bahaulah is only a man.
joab302016 4 weeks ago
@joab302016 My dear Christian friend, when they came to crucify Christ, they only beheld a "man", did they not? "Beholdest thou not the Son of God seated on the right hand of power and glory?" No! They did not! Neither did Pharoah behold the station of Moses as One Who came down from Mt Sanai with the Commandments from the Lord God. Persecution is the history of mankind's greeting of each of Those Whom God sends. The vast majority turn away, deny, and scoff at His Messengers...
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler How can you still pretend to call me fellow believer in Christ Jesus? You are clearly educated about what Christians truly believe about the Lord. And you know that your version of Christ is totally different, new and contrary to the gospel. You know you have another gospel that is very different in our belief. And yet still you masquerades to us as a Christian. Read the book of Revelation. You will see Jesus enthroned and worshiped. There is no Bahaulah in heaven.
joab302016 4 weeks ago
@joab302016 I wear no mask where Jesus is concerned, but declare to you plainly, as commanded in His day, and again in this, the Day of God which He foretold. In the Bible it is clearly written, "Christ shall return in the Glory of God" Baha'u''lah means, in Arabic, the Glory of God. He appeared in Elam, as did the Bab, in 1844, 2300 years after the decree by Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem. He came "from mountain to mountain and sea to sea. From the fortified cities to the fortified city
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
You always insist in praying and investigation. I am sure you have already done a lot of those. Why not try to be obedient to the Bible alone this time for 2012 and rediscover the real Jesus. The root word here is OBEDIENCE. Do that. Obey what the Bible say, not external sources. I challenge you to become OBEDIENT. Be OBEDIENT friend. You lack that aspect while you were a christian before. Be OBEDIENT. Jesus said take up your cross and follow me. Will you OBEY him in this command?
joab302016 4 weeks ago
@joab302016 My friend, I would be truly disobedient to deny Baha'u'llah to you. The sister of my good friend Iraj is imprisoned in one of the worst prisons in Iran, serving 20 years, for believing that Baha'u'llah is the Promised One of all religions. My children's Aunt and two cousins were imprisoned and threatened with death for being Baha'is. Please, if you will, view and listen to my song: Living for Baha'u'llah on You Tube. It is dedicated to them. Thank you, and God bless you.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler there you go. You are not a New Testament Christian. Your lord is Bahaulah. So stop pretending to us that you are a Christian. It doesn't irritate me whatever your faith or denomination is. But to pretend to us that you are our fellow believer is disingenuous. Do you expect me to believe in Bahai and throw out the Bible because your friends are in prison because of their faith? No my friend, I put my trust on the one who died and rose again.
joab302016 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 Am I to take it then that you deny Moses, Abraham, and Noah? Because the Jews deny Christ, yet Christians say they "believe" in the preceding Prophets of the One God of Abraham. Please realize that in my belief in Baha'u'llah, I do not abrogate my belief in those Manifestations of God Who preceded Him. "All of the Prophets proclaim the same Faith." Perhaps you do not believe in the Return of Christ, or are comfortable if it is only in the future... always in the future...
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 Friend, I do not claim to be a "New Testament Christian" I am a Baha'i, which means that I identify myself as one who believes in the One called Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God. I see no contradiction between Him and Jesus, the Christ, just as I see no contradiction between Christ and Moses, or Moses and Abraham. Do you understand this position? It is difficult for some, from whatever perspective, and it represents a challenge to even consider as a possibility.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler in the same way, our islamic friends cannot be called christians too. Even if they believe in Jesus and his virgin birth, there is no way for them to become like me. I believe in the NT and islam totally rejects it. You are a Bahai and I respect you for that.
joab302016 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 Well, you put it well, for you do not call yourself a Jew, yet you believe in the Prophets of old. Please read Isaiah 62:2 and Rev 3:12 "Thou shalt be called by a New Name, which the Mouth of the Lord shall utter, which none knoweth save him that receives it." This Faith is not some simple passing cult, it carries the weight of change and challenge, the same as what Jesus bore, and Moses before Him. We Baha'is are sincere, willing to sacrifice everything for that belief.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler My only objection with you is when you try to be like us (me and my friend Fisherman) when in reality you are not a NT based Christian. By your admission you are a follower of Bahai. And now since this matter is clear to us, I guess this concludes my discussion with you. I respect you as a human being. I hope that one day soon your friends will be free and be compensated justly for her time in prison that shouldn't happen in the first place.
joab302016 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 For me, to be called a "Christian", would be like yourself saying, "Im still a Jew" That would fall short of the correct identity. I'm only saying that I still believe in Christ and Moses, more than ever, in my 30 years of being a Baha'i, and feel part of the One Fold and the One Shepherd, and testify to you about it, here, on this site, where Baha'is are attacked, not even allowed to fully answer questions. This site was posted by supposed representatives of Christian belief.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler I cannot add any responses to you anymore. I just feel that my journey with you has ended. While reading your posts I searched google and found the passport picture of Bahaulah. I will not be surprised if you have long beards too. Im not saying that in a derogatory way.
joab302016 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 He had been poisoned shortly before the photo, was not expected to live. Jesus and Moses had beards. Men do grow beards. Does this reveal an expectation of a shaven Messiah on your part? A crew cut, perhaps? ;-) Just teasing, but really. Prison and torture do have an affect upon one's appearance. Jesus was not too comely upon the cross, I presume. God bless you, and there is no need to reply. Thank you for your time, and patience with me.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 Joab, I must go soon, but I wanted to thank you for being honest here. This is a hard venue for communication, you know, and it is hard to measure someone's sincerity. There is something about religion which is challenging. It brings out the best and the worst in people. All we can do is articulate in words what perspective is, and make room for another to do the same. I grant you your perspective. Please grant me mine. You did not give up Moses by accepting Jesus. Did you?
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler Moses obeyed the burning bush. He obeyed God when he was ordered to go to Pharaoh. He obeyed God when he is about to be stoned by the Israelites. He obeyed God in everything. Will you do the same? He slaughtered the Amelekites when it wasn't convenient for him to do that at that time and yet he trusted and obeyed God. My friend I know you are going soon but I admit that I learned a lot from you concerning Bahai faith. What to give up about Moses? He followed Gods Commands.
joab302016 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 "Behold, I come quickly... He who overcomes... I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God... and I will write upon him My new name." Revelation 3:11 & 12 "As things were in Noah's days, so will they be when the Son of Man comes." Math 24:37 "I shall come upon you like a thief." Revelation 3:3 (A thief is come and gone before we awake, and we are the last to know.) "Happy the man who stays awake." Rev 16:15
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - That`s Christ Jesus saying those Words, not the BaB, as your trying to imply. wake-up dead man, Christ Jesus will be calling your name soon Revelation 20:9-15. You are guilty of heresy in that you do add, and subtract from God`s Holy Scripture. The Bible. Revelation 22:16-22 reveals your very doom with the evil doctrines your teaching. II Corintians 4:3-6 on your teaching,, you entirely deny that Jesus is the image of God ,and the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 "Followers of the Gospel… behold the gates of heaven are flung open. He that had ascended unto it is now come. Give ear to His voice calling aloud over land and sea, announcing to all mankind the advent of this Revelation.
By God! This is He Who hath at one time appeared in the name of the Spirit (Christ)
The time foreordained time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Good News = Gospel. There`s no other Good News Left. Jesus said it allllll.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Having a charismatic personality with eyes that seem whatever constitutes nothing. Hitler had a charismatic character, and blue eyes,and power. Christ never said anything like that.The Prophets of God while in the Spirit of Prophecy spoke on behalf of God and the Words that proceeded from their mouths were Truth, and they testified of Christ Jesus as Lord, and God, and pointed to His birth as Saviour of the world, John 3;16.Jesus was not just an ordinaryman, He was God in the Flesh
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Ellen G. White founder of the Seventh- Day Adventists makes the same claim at the same time and calls Bahai`s liars, and she lies as well. So believing on Christ Jesus is of the paramount. Jesus is the same as was and there`s been no change for Christ Jesus is Immutable(unchangeable, for He is God). Your Prophet was a liar for his origins/sources"arch`e" for the information he received is not of Christ Jesus, Jesus is always Light,and everything that proceeds from Him(Christ Jesus)
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - That`s false prophesy, and it doesn`t matter how long you believe in a lie, it doesn`t get any truer. 1844 is what Ellen G. White believed that as well, and that`s false prophesy. False Prophets speak on their own behalf, and God`s Word remains true, in Matthew 24, concerning those that come inHis name are false and Iiars, not to listen to them or go to them when you hear their lies concerning the Nature of Christ Jesus, and that is GOD. Bahai`s would pervert rules of simple grammar
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
@joab302016 - Muhammed loved little boys and girls, and Allah was the name of the god his particular villiage worshipped, and was a lackey of the R.C. Church
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 ??? Re read all my posts!
joab302016 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - You need to read I Corintians 1:18; "For the Preaching of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness, but to us which are SAVED it is THE GIFT OF GOD. Your in a perishing state and need instant heart surgery, Jesus is the Great Physician. Stop taking spiritual intoxicants that corrupt the mind and soul, and poison the spirit. Come to Jesus the Christ Bahai`s, He is the alpha and the Omega of Revelation 1, and 22. There is only one light that will shine from darkness, Christ Jesus
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Korah and his followers fell into a pit by the Hand of God for committing Idolatry while Moses was getting the Law, and Your fallacies do dig a hole that which only God Almighty can lift you out of. Come to Jesus Bahai`s, only Christ Jesus. He is all you need. He will heal you and make you whole. Your light has nothing to do with true Life. Jesus is the Life of Light. Bahai`s need to study the scripture alone with the Holy Spirit, and not their juxtaposed commentary upon the Bible
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - everytime Scripture is used, Bahai`s use Baha U allah instead. Christ Jesus is greater and Baha U allah is a pervert, and Jesus Christ is Pure, and without blame, Baha U` alah had multi-wives, evil. Polytheism is contrary to God`s First Commandment. Pantheism denies Gods Transcendance
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - The Gospel = the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ, not the bad news of the Pharisee`s, Sadduccee`s, or Essenes. The Gospel points to Christ as Saviour and fulfillment of the requirement s of the O.T. Law. The Pharisee`s, etc. rejected that Jesus is Messiah, just as Bahai`s do, and every other Non Christian Cult does. Christ Jesus is the Messiah who is the Saviour of the world.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler -Pleeeeaaaassseee, Dr. Martin neeeeeveeeer denied Jesus Christ as Lord and God of all. That`s a lie, and I challenge you to produce this outrageous lie. If by what you mean is that Walter Martin Denies Your New Age Messiah BABEL, THEN I AGREE!!!!
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 I met a Jew a couple of days ago, following a weekly Bible study group, and asked him why Jews rejected Christ. He gave an answer which is not unlike the denunciations expressed here, based upon solid, traditional, literal reasonings which are, in reality, hard heartedness, hard headedness, and self-certainty. For 2000 years Christians have told Jews "He has come." Now Baha'is of Jewish descent are telling Christians "He has come." "Again" as we were promised. Watch. Watch...
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler Of course you liked what you heard because you do not believe in the all sufficiency of Christ as the only savior for all eternity for all men. Jesus said it is finished. God has torn the veil from top to bottom in the temple after Jesus death. That death opened a way for us going to the Holy of Holies to the very throne of God. That means you have that direct access to the Father through Jesus. Baha Ula la is an impostor.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 I know. I have been there. If you are sincere, you will have to struggle through search and prayer. Thats about all I can say to you. When Jesus said "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first", I believe that it is the same as before, in HIs time, when these same "learned divines", the "first", were the last to recognize, while a simple fisherman, Peter, one of the "last", was the first. He wasn't carrying all that knowledge and pride, but rather, a pure heart
fsmtdaler 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler It is not enough to be sincere and prayerful when you follow your walk with Christ. You also NEED to be OBEDIENT and TRUST in Jesus when he warned us about the false christ! It is either you are stubborn or just plainly deceived. Your prayer will not be heard if you deny Christ.
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 - AAAAmen. Jesus is the only ONE who could do that, because He was the perfect sacrefice, and there was no more need of animal sacrefices behind a Veil. It is Finished.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler -Once again, you create a scenerio with no substance to subststantiate anything you are saying as truth. You obviously haven`t read the Acts of the Apostles in the actual Bible, and have no idea of any real church history. Christ Jesus is the way, and the truth, no man comes to the Father but through Him John 14:6, You are of your Father, the Father of Lies. Bahaism is a non Christian Cult, and to attach yourself to christianity through riddles, is the wrong way!!! It`s through Jesus.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@joab302016 RIDICULOUS!!!, It is the Bahai`s who deny Eternal Life from it`s only origin, and That`s Christ Jeus of the New Testament. He is God. He is the only Alpha and Omega of Revelation. Bahai`s will be judged according to changing scripture to mean what is not, and adding and subtracting from scripture has severe and dire consequences as in Revelation 22. Persue to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, Christ Jesus alone. He promises eternal Life and will receive to heaven Himself.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@TheFisherman57 are you barking at me?
joab302016 1 month ago
@joab302016 - Got the wrong man, brother, it`s The Fsmtdaler man that was mean`t for, Iapologize and never would I mean such a thing to someone who knows The way, the truth, and the Life. You are a student of the Word of God. My mistake.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler - Bahaism is a non- christian cult, because of what Bahai`s proclaim as Truth. Come to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, He`s the only ONE of which true Salvation is obtained through
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
@fsmtdaler BAHAISM IS A NON CHRISTIAN CULT PERIOD. and how this status is Bahai`ism to own. Because true Christians are exhorted to place line upon line, and precept upon precept, concernig God`s Holy Word. Bahaism relies on their interpretations to commentary on Holy Writ, when the Bible is PLAIN SPEAK concerning the nature of Christ Jesus, and that is GOD. John1:1 = Revelation 19:13, and not the baha` U` allah who had multi wives(Polygamist), and a Polytheist, and Panthiest,all are antichrist.
TheFisherman57 3 weeks ago
which of the 1000 bibles did this text come from?
persiangodfather 2 months ago
And further We have said: "That which God hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful, and inspired 63 Physician. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 62)
stevenmasua 6 months ago
@stevenmasua - A Big Total World Harmonic Conversion. UMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! Christ Jesus is the true unifier, Bahaism seduces unsuspecting, and unwary peoples out of their money, and leaves them hopeless, and without hope. Continually feeding on a daily diet of dis-information will bring confusion, and doubt, Christ Jesus Knows His Sheep, and His Sheep Hear His Voice, and are fed the truth, so that the sheep might abide in the truth. Come to Christ Jesus Bahai`s, come to Jesus He is God.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
By My life! This is the truth, and all else naught but error. Each time that Most Mighty Instrument hath come, and that Light shone forth from the Ancient Dayspring, He was withheld by ignorant physicians who, even as clouds, interposed themselves between Him and the world. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 62)
stevenmasua 6 months ago
It failed therefore, to recover, and its sickness hath persisted until this day. They indeed were powerless to protect it, or to effect a cure, whilst He Who hath been the Manifestation of Power amongst men was withheld from achieving His purpose, by reason of what the hands of the ignorant physicians have wrought. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 63)
stevenmasua 6 months ago
@stevenmasua God is the only Omnipotent ONE, Omnisciennt ONE, and Omniessence ONE. Baha U` allah is powerless to forgive his own sin and died trying to be a god with multi-wives. Mormonism is your bedfellow, and you teach Pantheism, and Polytheism. Christians serve only ONE GOD Bahai`s, Stop trying to leach spiritual insight, in that which you are powerless to take unless Christ Jesus allows it. Jesus says you only have to go through Him, that`s all.
TheFisherman57 1 month ago
Bible Ocean is a so- called Bahai software package for download, I know this. Yet Bahai`s are talking against what other Bahai`s say concernig Christ Jesus,Men with men, and women also. These are lies perpetrated by Bahai`s themselves. Sorry, denial by attrition doesn`t exist. Luke 19:10. Bahai`s need a diet of the WORD OF GOD, not from the dead man without a voice and will never rise again from the dead, and the little pervert with the many wives is so very dead, just like Bahaism.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
Briefly, the superior reality does not descend nor abase itself to inferior states; then how could it be that the Universal Reality of God, which is freed from all descriptions and qualifications, notwithstanding Its absolute sanctity and purity, should resolve Itself into the forms of the realities of the creatures, which are the source of imperfections? This is a pure imagination which one cannot conceive. (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 292) End of a discussion about pantheism.
NashvilleEcoBright 7 months ago
@NashvilleEcoBright - Very nice and again, denying what another Bahai said to another Bahai was men with men, and women as such, maybe Bahai`s have to many voices and nobody knows what is going on, nonetheless, Bahai`s denial of Alpha and Omega as Christ Jesus, not the 5 foot puppet of the Father of Lies. You do err greatly with your smoke and mirrors religion of the lost. Terminally in Love with Christ Jesus, yes.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
I`ve answered your questions with statements and THE WORD OF GOD, it is bahai`s who refuse to listen and learn. Obviously, for I find myself repeating that Christ Jesus is the only way, only to have Bahai`s frame the question differintly, expecting a differint result. Same answer only with more cogent words of babble and nonsense. Only to the puppet to the puppeteer, Bahai`s mime, the say nonsense. Twisting scripture to no end to suit their pathetic ego.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
I`ve answered your questions with statements and THE WORD OF GOD, it is bahai`s who refuse to listen and learn. Obviously, for I find myself repeating that Christ Jesus is the only way, only to have Bahai`s frame the question differintly, expecting a differint result. Same answer only with more cogent words of babble and nonsense. Only to the puppet to the puppeteer, Bahai`s mime, the same nonsense. Twisting scripture to no end and calling that Godly. Bahaism is what it eats.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
@NashvilleEcoBright Please, in order to know a couterfeit from the true, a treasury agent solely studies the original document in order to identify a counterfeit at a glance, from the true document. Peresevere to Christ Jesus. Inferior states? Come on, please Christ humbled himself, and became man. That theory just turned to a de-evolution sized wafer cookie. Bahai`s are ignorant of the Nature of God, and spew liies all over the place.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
Oh my, where to begin. I'm sorry, but you remain terminally confused about the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Homosexuality is not okay, it is forbidden. "All is God and God is All" is not an idea put forth by our Faith, that is pantheism which we see as blasphemy. We believe God to be sovereign over all creation and eternally exalted above it. Surely we can discuss differences between the things we believe without resorting to false accusations.
NashvilleEcoBright 7 months ago
Baha U`llah, and His Legions of thieves. Little man with the multi-wives. The Book of Baboon is Bahaism`s other Bible, Mormon is your other fornicating twin sister. Alpha and Omega is Christ Jesus.
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
told a fraud and "The Father of Lies". Only one way to God. Bahai`s believe in The New Revelation, that says "I am the root and offspring" of any way, if it feels, right and good it must be good, withever looking up the ingredients you do eat, it all up. No, Proverbs 3 Trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not ot your own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy path. Only One, Alpha and Omega, Christ Jesus, And Not the little king midget, Baha U`llah..
TheFisherman57 7 months ago
...And yet true christians are told their narrow-minded, bigoted, and evil? No the true christian is given discernment to discover a couterfeit Jesus a mile away, for if Abraham could see the pre-incarnate Christ Jesus, on the plain of Mamare approaching news of doom for Sodom and Gommorrah, the true christian recognizes the Christ Jesus even before we see Him, and know He` is coming, and His reward is with Him, The Alpha and the Omega==Christ Jesus, not Baha U`llah. Baha U` llah is a fraud....
TheFisherman57 7 months ago