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  • This video is fake. Kubrick directed it.

  • No wonder Poor Neil Armstrong has hidden away for the past 40+ years when he has to keep saying he was there thousands of times to some of the people on this channel

  • Back when GSN was showing IGaS on a regular basis, this episode came up. Of course, as soon as I knew they were the Armstrongs of Ohio & their son had been picked for the astronaut corp, I didn't have to be told his first name. When Garry Moore asked hsi question, though, my jaw dropped. Great going, Garry!

  • A great and good Muslim !

  • @hierostratus

    How THE FUCK did this "Neal Armstrong is a muslim" horseshit get started?

  • armstrong is an exact replica of his dad。

  • wow that is funny.

  • Wow, about 3/4 of you are trolls!

  • How did she guess it that fast?

  • @sivret20 staged...

  • @sivret20 ever watch a TV show being filmed. They probably cut a lot of he discussion and guessing out of the show and jumped to her answer. Thats my best guess.

  • even this show was fake'

  • Steven Armstrong was a 33 degree Freemason - ever see Neil's apron picture?

  • I bet, it was a giant surprise to be an "Astronaut" back in 60s.

  • Bess Myerson was a hottie... former Miss America.

  • cool

  • @chuckschultz22 nail on the head they dont want to explore the moon either they found something they dont want anyone to know or they never been there.They would have went back by now we havent been out of the von allen belt with the shuttles people dont understand they never have gone outside the belt.They would have definately built a base by now as well.Nasa doesn't even know where the moon came from and how us and the moon got a magnetic field waiste of money we learned nothing either way.

  • yeah just like their son, mum and dad have got a secret.

  • Neil Armstrong in scool:

    Neil: I will be the first man ever set the foot on the moon

    his friend: Bullshit!

    in 1969:

    Neil: I said that in scool

    His old friend oh damn

  • wow. This show is so TOTALLY STAGED.

    Can you guys see this now also? The staged singing together... and then out of nowhere the girl "guesses" AERONAUTICS, yeah sure.

    TV has been bullsh*tting Americans public like forever.

  • I wish i was born then and not now into this shit hole , it wasn't perfect by any means that said it was a much better time.

  • Over 3000 mph and that was in the 60's, whoa.

  • It's obvious the moon landing was hoaxed

  • stoners

  • Old shows are so much better... I love black and white sitcoms and game shows!

  • It's obvious Mr Armstrong does not like stars in his sky(any sky for that matter)

    and he never saw stars when Mr Armstrong was going to the "Moon",while on the "Moon",or on the way back from this "Moon" of his...According to what Mr Armstrong is talking about,anyone who thinks stars are in the sky is a conspiracy theorist.

    watch?v=fB-ZTINlupw

  • @potrodsas you're actually still denying the moon landing? All of the idiotic reasons that morons like yourself put forth have been explained. The entire world tracked this flight, if it didn't happen I'm pretty sure the Soviets would have blown the whistle, or were they in on it too? Idiot.

  • So, freaking creepy....(shudders)

  • aahhahahaha. funny how life works.

  • DID YOUR SON MAKE IT TO THE MOON MISS ARMSUPERSTRONG?

  • I thought they gonna ask "Youre son is afraid of the bible?"

  • Amazing how old people looked and behaved back then. Both were just 55 years old at the time and act like they're 80.

  • See.... blondes were smart back then! ;)

  • CLASSIC!!! Awesome... =)

  • @TheDiddlysquat The Moon landing didn't occur until almost 7 years later.

  • That's some haircut

  • Offering the chair for Mrs Armstrong to sit down on- There's breeding and manners for you.

    You rarely see that today, feminism or what ever its a sign that somebody has been well brought up that they respect a woman..

    Blimey Armstrongs folks appear to be very modest and down to earth (Ho Ho) about their sons profession.

  • @llandudnoboy If you do that for the wrong woman she will quickly tell you she is liberated and don't want you to treat her any different than a man. This is a big part of why this is not done much anymore.

  • @ThePropagandaGroup

    Its all to do with a persons breeding and the way they have been brought up to respect the opposite sex.

    Very few women today would be offended if a man offered her his seat in a train or got up out of his seat if she entered the room.

    The fact that some people do not do it doesnot make it wrong.

    WomensLib or whatever doesnot really come into it.

  • @llandudnoboy Tell that to all the women I've tried to treat like ladies that told me I don't need that I'm a liberated woman. It doesn't stop me from doing so but it is true. How many times have you held a door open for a man or woman and had them walk right through and never say thank you? Like it was your job to hold the door for them. That's most of the problem not that people won't do this but that people don't show respect when it is done for them.

  • i expect the whole apollo astronaut corps to start dropping dead like flies very soon now.

  • so that's what a 33 degree freemason Illuminati looks like

  • He flew a plane at 3900mph @ 207,000 feet?? wtf lol

  • @lovinit19791 Yep. He also performed the first ever docking of two spacecraft in orbit.

  • @lovinit19791 He was a test pilot. Were you not listening?

  • why are his parents on tv?

    7 years before the moon landing

  • @ronan32 The game show was filmed during the '60's when the space program was a very big thing and the selection of a new group of astronauts who would be training to go to the Moon was a media event.

    It is was just a coinidence that the parents they picked were the eventual ones who would have a son on the moon. Not a big coinidence, actually because this group was picked to train to go the moon and all of them expected to go eventually.

  • @dcleversy Indeed. The average age of the second astronaut group was a bit younger than the first, because the first was initially only expected to be needed until the end of Mercury while the later groups were intended for the much longer Apollo.

    Also it was really a 1 in 9 chance that they'd picked Armstrong's folks. It could've been the family Tom Stafford, John Young, Elliott See, Ed White or Jim McDivitt and it wouldn't be nearly as interesting today (though perhaps a bit).

  • @toddsmitts

    I think you are wrong. Had they chosen the parents of any of the other astronauts it would have been every bit as interesting. They all had their story to tell and all made their contribution. Neil and his crew were not selected for the landing, they just happened to be the next crew on the roster. :)

  • @tpsossff Not quite. Had another astronaut made the first landing, or if they asked some other astronauts' parents, it would still be interesting as a glimpse into the fascination with the space program back them (which seems regrettably absent today) wouldn't have the same shock valus of saying "Holy shit! They asked the parents of the guy who would be first about it years before he WAS first!"

  • @tpsossff The crews were selected not pulled from a list.

  • @ronan32

    because their son became an astronaut! pretty big deal! especially back then!

    space race and all

  • People were actually funny back then !!

  • Mrs Steven Armstrong never said a frikin word!!during the questions..and the staging of the sing along is a fact that the show was a fix!!

  • I wonder did Neil let them go to the grave without telling them he never actually set foot on the moon.

  • @KenfromDublin

    No he and Aldrin accidentally landed on Mars without Cape Kennedy realising it.

    Of course they never landed on the Moon it was Mars us conspiracy theorists have known this for years.

  • Neil was always a cool cucumber; quiet, aloof and never returning anything he borrowed from you. Buzz still hasn't gotten back the Step-Glide manual he gave Neil when Neil lost his (a huge embarrassment to NASA if they ever were to find that out). He only had time to study it for 3 days so that's why his "jump" off the lunar module looks so abrupt and choppy and almost gave away the farm. He forgot that the bungee cords where looser the higher you were relative to the connection point.

  • nasa nazi church

    TV Moon landings

  • @nasafakedit youtube.com/watch?v=fDXP9hNXkw­4

  • @maffoid the moron returns

  • itl all be exposed soon anyways coz the russians and chineese will be there soon and the frst thing they are doing is going to the eagle landing site. the russians will put in on tv in full glorious HD for all the world to see. they already know it never happened but wont denounce yous untill they can do it in the most humiliating way. obama cancelled the next moon landings and is now desperate so expect another major catastrophy. time is up one way or another, europe has called your bluff

  • they fucked good.

  • Hmmmm, I bet if they'd come back to this show August, 1969 everyone would've known them.

  • the moon is overated

  • How eerily prescient! I certainly hope they were around to see their son thrill the world. I still remember watching those flickering images from so far away. Thank you for posting this.

  • "Has he ever said anything?" If they only knew what was coming. Fantastic stuff.

  • great video, thanks for posting this

  • @NASAvsPETE Check the water your standing in. There is a shark in it you've just jumped!

  • @NASAvsPETE We know where your got that from. You're posterior

  • @NASAvsPETE You lie, you just want attention anyway possible. Grow up little boy.

  • @ICantDecryptTheCode Why so angry, is it because it might be a conspiracy?

  • @Bidil6 B.t.w. you did not make a typo or spelling mistake in the post I was replying on. You had been well aware of what you typed and said.

  • @Bidil6 You are the one that is ignorant. If you don't like what I say shut up.

  • Their is alot of misinformation out there, so I can understand why people would think its faked. No question, niel armstrong went to the moon, but I wonder why they don't they just build a base on the moon, instead of floating around the earth. It seems like it would be a good idea, then they could start trying to havest plant life. Just sayin, seems like it could work.

  • Anyone that believes that we did not go to the moon has severe mental problems. That is a fact. if I met you in person I would say that to your face as well. I'm not afraid to tell anyone when they ARE IN FACT WRONG AND THERE IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THEY ARE WRONG.

  • @RS1963 I just don't understand: we had so many landings on the moon and our astronauts collected hundreds of rocks and stones from the moon...but I cannot find in which museum they are displyed so that people can see them! WHERE ARE THE ROCKS COLLECTED ON THE MOON? I searched Google but guess what? I cannot find them!!! Apparently they all vanished!

  • @evakent The lunarrocks that were collected from the service of the moon, and brought back to earth.  Are not on public display that often. Some smaller rocks were given away to a few states as gifts. The majority have been locked away for safe keeping. Back in April of this year there was a small assortment that was on Display in Las Vegas Nevada. They had been on loan from NASA for the week. As far as I know there has never been actual museum display.

  • @J801506 Think what you want Im done with you people!!!! All I have to say to you personally is get ahold of some trustworthy logical literature and come to your own conclusion. Myself and most other intellectually minded and educated people have sufficient proof. It hasnt happened since because we have the material and data that we need. it is unnecessary to send more people, NASA isnt a publicity stunt seeking organization, they are a scientific organization.

  • any fans of the moon should enjoy this movie''moon''w/sm rockwell very cool movie

  • You have apreciated the the clip as I did when I first saw it and can undestand why I wanted to share it. I thank you for your thoughtful response. All the best!

  • @reflecteddetcelfer  good of you for sharing.

  • I know everyone has different thoughts on the moon landing, but I'm just enjoying the clip for what it is, fun to watch and entertaining, and I feel privileged to be able to watch something as wonderful as this when it might otherwise be lost forever.

    Thanks for posting it, reflecteddetcelfer.

  • I'm rather surprised at the nature of most of the comments here. I'm just enjoying the clip for what it is, fun to watch and entertaining, and I feel privileged to be able to watch something as wonderful as this when it might otherwise be lost forever.

    Thanks for posting it, reflecteddetcelfer.

  • Yes, they are indeed proving to be so as I did not expect the kinds of responses that have been offered.

  • Moon landing conspiracy theorists are an amazing bunch.

  • Can someone explain this video to me, I'm confused.

  • @SuddenCatharsis -- "I've Got a Secret" was a television game show that was on in the early 1960's. I used to watch it every week. They had people on and had the panel try to guess what the "secret" was.

  • ok, you said Armstrong was lying. That fine, because, if he really was lying, than we also have to thank to the lie, since after that so called "conspiracy", people is really go the moon.

  • this was 5 days after JFK's moon speech at rice university..thats probably why the host asked the moon question

  • The Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio. To see a partial summary of hoax evidence, google "The Naked Scientists". In the "New Theories" section of the forum there's a thread entitled "Did We Land on the Moon?". The summary is on page 15 of the thread. It's the 7th post from the top.

    Also, to a YouTube search on "MarsFaker".

  • my son become an actor not ASTRONAUT

  • Somehow enjoyable, but I get the impression that every giggle and endearing spontaneity was scripted....?

  • The 1st man on the moon. The host predicted the future.

  • Blimey i want to give Mrs Armstrong a big hug.

    Just like Niel down to earth invite them home to tea parents.

  • Yeah totally. People can't believe that Neil is just a regular guy. He did a superhuman feat, but at his core he is just a simple guy. I mean, he has a farm that he maintains and works on. He goes to the same barbershop every week. He plays golf with his barbershop buddies, he goes grocery shopping himself, he is interested in computers and technology. People think he's this huge introverted curmudgeon, but he just doesn't see what the big deal is. He's still the same guy.

  • played out ,way befor it even happen,

    back inthe day people useto be dum,

  • Bess Myerson was smokin hot

  • How did they know it was a "He"??

  • Damn white people ben afflaks everywhere

  • As opposed to a bunch of 50 cent's and Kanye West's...cause look at what they are doing for Africa and the Black community...And learn how to spell...."Affleck"....Racist @sshole

  • Oh, I always thought that Neil Armstrong's dad was Louis Armstrong.

    ;)

  • me too...

  • @kalaban0019

    and didn't neil have a kid named lance...

    those are some good genes

  • it's a prove that they plane everything at least 10 years in advance

  • youtube Alex Collier Awake and Aware conference camelot

  • Gunny2020 you are amoung the more rediculous and wholly unsubstantial half witts ever perpetuated by your incestuous bother and sister parents that produced an inferior and recessive character like you.

  • NASA stands for Never an answer of a single asking

  • What do you want to know?? Im no scientist but Im quite well educated enough and I follow NASA and their history quite closely. Maybe its because they have better things to worry about than people that dont believe in what they do, which is put people on the moon, land rovers on Mars and build space stations.... Those types of jobs take alot of work and they much rather would have those things on their minds other than idiots that dont know what they're taking about in the first damn place!

  • @DrVegasIII

    Nail on the head.

    People around here think that just because they fund NASA collectively, they each have an individual right to have their 'concerns' addressed by them. The fact is, there is no point wasting time (i.e. funds) trying to explain things to the vast amount of scientifically ignorant people, because they either won't understand, or refuse to understand because they have been infected by conspiracy nonsense. It's beneath them, and the imbeciles don't deserve it.

  • @MoronAntidote NASA=dictatorship taxation w/out representation and fraud.

  • @drummerforreal1 jeff here also thinks he moon landing was fake, and the hubble is just a CGI machine, his dad also worked in a top secret lab for NASA, his brother is also a world famous book writer, he can also do martial arts better than Bruce Lee, Just ask him, he blabbs about this BS all the time. He's unemployed btw, used to be a janitor. Now he's a serial troll on his 7th account.

  • @guitdude09

    yes the landing was a fake only the start was true. thats a fact

  • And Bidil stands for stupid fucking retard

  • @Bidil6 That's a really stupid posting. Since there is no letter O in NASA.

  • My son just became one of the biggest liars in history

  • man in moon the big lie

  • Why do you think that?? Im not going to say anything disrespectful to you, I just want to know, after 40 years why "you people" still think the moon landing were faked??? Come up with a safisticated answer if you can... Dont worry, I'll wait!!! BUT if you bring up the "wire theory" I will have no respect for you if you think this was "put on" like a damn high school play!! PLease take your time a do a bit of reseach THEN get back to me... Im no genius but I know alot about aerospace!!!!

  • Multiple Shadow Directions....

  • On a sunny day, if you look at a backyard or a field with a few scattered trees and small hills and slopes you will easily see that due to the layout of the landscape the shadows of the trees will go off in a direction in accordance to the angle of the land!! The "shadow direction theory" was put to rest YEARS ago by the way!! You "hoax supporters" just dont think these things through AT ALL!! You simply saw some bullshit documentary and believed everything you were told !!!

  • Haha...No

    i tried it......Only one shadow Direction

    One Light Source Means One Shadow direction

    Put at rest Years Ago...?

    Prove it...!!

  • Its common sense!!! Try it again and follow the directions I gave you LOL!!!! Like Ive mentioned numerous times in my prior comments - Your type of people just plain arent very bright at all - thats probably why you couldnt figure it!!!!

  • It doesnt work....One Light......Means.....One Shadow Direction...

    Im an Art Student i Know that Shit You Idiot..!!!!!

  • @omaraty009 not always , if you have 1 light source, and 2 different objects of different size and shape, then obviously they would cast different shadow directions, this is basic stuff man, come on , try it yourself !! lol

  • You folks that think the moon landings were a "Conspiracy" should feel ashamed not to mention very very stupid!!! Every reason or excuse that you people come up with that it was a "Hollywood set" has been disproven time and time again. We actually went to moon on several occasions - WAKE UP YOU FOOLS!!!!

  • Your parents should be ashamed for you, because u didn't get proper education, do not know basic physics and believe in stupid tales. Wake up! In 60-s black people in US hadn't rights to have a sit place in the bus and u talk about super spacecrafts which doesn't exist even now.

  • First off, I dont get your point at all!!! Secondly, SHAME ON YOU!!! The moon landings (all 6) had nothing to do with black and white - it was about ALL of humanity!!!  I suggest you study up on your "idea" of physics , I know I have, Im a Neurodiagnostic Technition for a well respected hospital. And my parents are entirely proud of me. I am truely at the point where I will show no acknowledgement to you dullards who STILL think we didnt go to the moon! Goodbye!!

  • Its a pity u didn't get my point. I'm not surprised now that u believe tales. I told about degree of development of science and society in the USA in 60-s and u r talking shit about ships between planets at the same time. I wonder how dull (and what age) the man can be to believe that shit. Goodbye!!!

  • @DrVegasIII Personally not to butt in but the only problem I have with the whole plot to the moon was how NASA astronauts survived the Van Allen belt.

    I've seen the real life space capsule in Naval Air Station museum and

    i couldn't imagine how the computer's electrical systems were protected even with shielding much less a human being from all the radiation in the belt region. These guys should have died of cancer years ago.

  • @SpaRtanl33tz -- I've looked for months but I have yet to find any actual documented evidence with specific radiation level numbers that say that a week-long trip through the Van Allen belt and to the moon and back would be dangerous with the level of aluminum plus foam shielding that they had in the Apollo CM.

  • @DrVegasIII

    really ??

    several occasions ? never heard that before

    and it has been disproven too??

    wow i would really love some links or references to these claims of yours

  • @stikitape214 Pull you head out of the mud and figure it out yourself. Ive dealt with you conspiracy believing half wits long enough - DONE WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! Believe what you want.

  • @DrVegasIII

    chill

    its alright i researched th.his more and yess i believe that man went to the moon

    but i do have a couple of questions though

    its jjst that tose videos on conspiracy sound very convincing and they dont show the whole picture

  • @DrVegasIII yes thats all very great, but can u give us any substance?

  • @cveich I wrote a LONG term paper about the Mercury & Apollo programs so tell me what substance you want!!! AND Ive heard of every "conspiracy theory" there has ever been so dont just ask me about the damn flag waving or shadows suggesting more than one point of light OR the goddamn wires!!! The "theories" are ALL one big fat joke that the Europeans came up with because they're jealous.

  • @DrVegasIII

    No because we loved kubrick we listened to him. he actually even designed the suits for christ sake... Read everything around it, not just the moon stories itself. But the people stories who had to do smth. Russians were ready. Americans weren't. Even the film they were going to use to make pics wasn't ready to resist extreme temps. That was the moment where they needed kubrick. they prob. went to the moon, but without real footage, they made those with Kubrick, before theyleft ear

  • @FLIPPERKUNST Why Kubrick? He only directed one sci-fi film. Wouldn't they be more interested in using his sfx artist, Doug Trumbull? There's certainly none of the creativity and majesty of Kubrick's style in any of the Apollo footage. 

  • @DrVegasIII - Ok, explain why there was no plume when the lander took off (the chemical propellants should have produced a highly discernible red exhaust plume)... and then explain why 5,000 degrees of directed thrust during the landing didn't produce the slightest mark under the lander - nor did it raise a speck of dust as evidenced by the clean feet of the lander. Please stick to physics... thanks.

  • @tlkrohn Im not much on physics so I dont know about what you asked me to explain. With what you asked ........WOW you people are diggin deep these days!!!!! I noticed from your channel you recently saw the MythBuster episode of the moon myths so that should shed light on the bullshit that you idiots come up with!! Im retired from dealing with you conspiracy ass holes. Im satisfied with my thoughts about NASA and the great things they've done.

  • @DrVegasIII Exactly but uve got morons like obama destroying the space program and crap...poor nasa...

  • @11chickenlord11 He's not really destroying it, we just have to rely on the Russians for a while to send U.S. astronauts to the space station. I think it is in 5 years that our new rockets will be ready and we'll pick up where we left off. I for one dont think it makes sense to send people to the moon again. We're at the point where we can do everything with rovers though I do think that landing an American on Mars would be the greatest thing we could ever do.

  • @tlkrohn

    Without even getting into physics, you explain why it the above didn't occur if it was filmed on Earth, requiring even greater thrust. There have never been any claims of 'wires' or models regarding the lander, so we can rule that out. Sometimes it's beneficial to put things into perspective, and turn the argument on its head. You see my point?

  • @DrVegasIII wot a dik!

  • @DrVegasIII Yea, and they never went back 40 years after that. Like they care about the tax payer's money... This isn't hating, this is called questioning...

  • @mykenmoon So why do you think they would have to go back???? They did everything they needed to do.

  • @mykenmoon Sounds more like hating than questioning.

  • @DrVegasIII Keep paying your taxes moron..

  • @drummerforreal1

    Keep believing you deserve an explanation moron.

  • @MoronAntidote I want my portion of tax dollars returned w/interest

  • @DrVegasIII shut up you fool. ever heard of the van allen belt or are you gonna ignore scientific fact and call everyone with a brain a conspiracists. fuck off did you go to the moon... you yanks are tuned to the moon ya rockets!! stupid morons

  • @nutsack1888 Your user name is "NutSack" ??? Yeah I know quite a bit about the Van Allen belt. Pricks like you (hoax supporters) think that it surrounds the earth evenly. IT DOESNT! Imagine the earth is like a head and the Van Allen belt surrounds it like a pair of huge ears. The trapped radiation was mapped out in the late '50s and spacecrafts simply go around it....There ya go - Its that simple. Anything else????

  • @DrVegasIII NASA shill

  • @drummerforreal1 NASA ROCKS DUMMY !

  • @DrVegasIII bollox. the the van allen belts go round the entire earth you fool. its a huge spherical barrier that protects us. nasa say that its weaker at the poles but this is bullshit that suits them. when questioned about it nasa basically said they had fluked it. bottom line is only an american is dumb enough to believe they went to the moon. in scotland we use it as a joke. the whole thing needs uncovered, and as for the lockerbie bomber, we put yous in yer place and dont forget it

  • @nutsack1888 I kinda thought you would assume I meant the belt surrounds earth in a 360 degree pattern not just on the damn sides. AND the lockerbie shit storm is on your government - not mine.  We had Americans killed thats our only concern - IT WAS YOUR TRASHBAG GOVERMENT THAT LET HIM GO!!!!!! FOR WHAT? a trade with BP jokers so they could drill for oil. If want you want to debate further try to be a respectable intelligent person. You seem like a stupid drunk Scottsman!!!

  • @DrVegasIII hey mate yous are the oil merchants infact yous invade countries for it, and now on a desperate attempt to use reverse paranoia yous are claiming we do deals for oil. listen bruv size wise were one of the oil richest countries in the world so decide for yourself, and to be honest the only people in the world that have a problem with scotland is america. we might have a bit of banter with the english but thers no bad feelings. but only america are tryin to test us out. bring it on!!

  • @DrVegasIII you dickhead have been listening to the bad astronomer because this is his bullshit. infact fuckface why dont you read what van allen says about it, instead of telling me im wrong. your the stupid ideot that thinks they went to the moon. the furthest any man has been is about 300-400miles into space and thats a fuckin scientific fact you dick. the russian and chinks still admit they cant do it but america recons they did it with 1960 computers and materials. my fuckin arse they did

  • @nutsack1888 As the daughter of the man who was in charge of the projects that were performed on the moon.

    FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

  • @blossom114 yeah so is everyone else on youtube. i say yous all lie. the difference is that only americans believe ther own bullshit. we all just sit back and laff. moon landings are a joke in the rest of the world, especially holland, after that "moon rock" fiasco i dont blame them. european scientists piss themselves with laughter with the moon landings and its european scientists that you claimed put you on the moon in the first place. namely a nazi scientist. stop posting bullshit please

  • @blossom114 are you the daughter with the nut sack?

  • Nasa Nazi Propaganda

    Moonlanings filmed on planet earth

  • whats your secret mr and mrs armstrong, well neil our son never walked on the moon , they fooled ya they fooled ya they fooled ya hehehe.

  • Further, the moon rocks you speak of were just in review by science departments from around the world not even 6 month's ago, I bet you are completely oblivious to that fact.

    Its ok that you are in denial but you ought to try and atleast try by doing some REAL research. You guys come in laughing at real science and blowing all kinds of hot air but your lack of real evidence and your hard headed denial of anything factual is just dumb and blatantly ignorant.