Should the US Institute a Universal Draft?

[happinesson]

yes we need competent people to protect us, yes, may be we need universal draft..but above all we need peace!let us all be driven for world peace...

[wcsxwcsx]

Why are their chairs so high? It makes them all look ridiculous.

[Alkhemist10]

Fuck the government

[centurion180ad]

That idiot on the left is parroting stolen ideas. He has no idea what he is talking about. The monster on the right is an economic bigot, and a chicken hawk. Lets draft HIM, sling his sorry ass into the back of a duce and a half after 3 months of incomplete training, and run him up over a 1 ton set demolition charge in Iraq, so he can be blown into bits just like Casey Sheehan.

The admiral is correct, sad to say.

[siriundreamer]

You have the right to bare arms in the US still so you have the ability to defend your home and/or your country already. There is no need of any draft for any reason, ever. The contrary is an illusion.

[MrBarri13]

Ok motherfuckers nobody bitched when they had the draft in Vietnam or WW2. I swear if we got attacked and they insituted the draft nobody would complain. You're all just little girls who arnt brave enough to get shot at like the real men that allow you to sleep at night.

[thefakeyeti]

@MrBarri13

"nobody bitched when they ahd the draft in vietnam or WW2"

Are you really that ignorant? Or are you a troll?

[EnochEmery251]

@thefakeyeti Definitely a troll.

[EnochEmery251]

@MrBarri13 Mister Sandman is the only one who allows me to sleep at night.

[gamehound83]

Only if the rich go to

[OhShitDidHeDie]

I think a draft would be a good thing for this country. Give more people jobs and we can end this shit in the Middle East faster.

[MrMustang13]

no because the drafted people wont have the same will to fight as the joined soldiers. the only time there should be a draft is in a world war.

[johnyrocket321]

...Man, Sure Wish I'd See The Congressmen & Sons Along With The President And Pack Their Things And Go To Battle, If People Really Feel Like War Should Be Fought, Then It Should Be Fought By Them Instead of Sending Other Peoples Family's Who Don't Want Anything To Do In The War, But Live Their Lives. Sure There Is Recruits, But Most Are Coming From Poor Communities Who Need The Funding They Get For Joining The Service. I Love America, But I Don't Think War Should Go On This Long.

[recyclecongress]

I absolutely say NO to a forced DRAFT!!! It interferes with one's personal right to CHOOSE one way or another. The only 'draftable' people should be the MEXICANS living over here, since they wanted to live here so f#cking bad that they BROKE IN ILLEGALLY! Otherwise, any 'drafts' would be a form of enslavements.And if implemented, we will have lost yet another of many dwindling freedoms left....freedom to say NO!

[EnochEmery251]

@recyclecongress I don't think that giving immigrants guns and forcing them into dangerous situations will bode well for the other volunteers. I recommend just getting rid of borders entirely; it adds freedom to your movement.

[laserpointerskills08]

@recyclecongress Have you ever thought that a forced draft would help keep these Mexicans that you hate so much out? It would force lazy hypocrites like you to get off their fucking asses and enforce our country's borders!

[recyclecongress]

@laserpointerskills08 So just because I don't support the idea of a FORCED DRAFT makes me a "lazy hypocrite"? First of all, WOMEN shouldn't be drafted to BEGIN with.... SECOND.... anything that MANDATES that people do things against their will or personal choice is NOT what "freedom" is about. And if a forced draft happens, we may as well all be f#cking COMMIES with no freedom or rights whatsoever. Oh, and 'last' of all... what makes you think our wetback-loving Govt would draft MEXICANS?!

[T00Lology100]

yeah you know if yeah you know if yeah you know if your an idiot you'll sound a lot like these fuck ups.

[XCritonX]

Better to have 1 intelligent, well trained volunteer soldier than 100 stupid, slave soldiers. For example, have you seen the idiots coming out of Chicago schools? Most don't graduate and about half are functionally illiterate.

[1988scottcarey]

yes america should draft everything and everyone!

[SqueakyAM]

You are a bunch of pussies taking advantage of your veterans sending the back and back again and again, you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag and you don't realize that when china calls for their debt they will come and get it. Than what you gonna call on a million man army. Robert Gates wants boots on the ground you don't defend your country and you will end up like the Roman empire and I will be laughing. While you get taken away like the Jews made china's slaves.

[laserpointerskills08]

@SqueakyAM I agree with you completely... everyone on here is looking only at the cons, but the pros of self defense and a safer country as a whole greatly outweigh these!

[PetrolClock]

only in my dreams, it would turn this country around. no more fucking pussies

[GamingwithFuzz]

The Draft is fucking stupid! Give peace a chance fuck war! Look what happened in Vietnam.

Would you like our youth to go to war to get thier fucking heads shot off. They will never even enjoy their own life!

[PetrolClock]

@GamingwithFuzz yea i know right war hads never solved anything, well Except for ending slavery, fascism, Nazism, and communism. you might want to take a history class.

[BudWithBeats76]

A draft wouldn't work in America anymore. It would undoubtedly lead to a violent revolution. In which case our soldiers will have to decide if they are willing to kill Americans and I don't believe there would be many who would. I know I would personally fight and die for my freedom on American soil rather than die halfway across the world for the freedom of people who only ever wanted us to leave them alone. A draft would be a mistake.

[AmericanAvenger1]

A draft goes against everything our "Free" society stands for! Although I agree with yeomalt2 that it just might put an end to "fake, undeclared wars!"

[reglcon1234]

lol the idiot saying they're would be two tiers of soldiers what a dumbass he thinks every1 drafted would make it through training hell no what a fucking tool

[AENIMA42069]

what a moron. l

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[kunsura]

shut up and fucking serve, I did 10 years in the service, you can't do three?

[CountArtha]

Here's my two cents: Germany has a policy of universal conscription wherein conscripts serve for nine months.

Their tanks have steering wheels.

[nomadak47]

The United States is not a nation. It is made up of independent states. The states created the Federal Government. The creature is not greater than it's creator. The feds are a beast that is hungry for world domination.

If a draft was to start just don't go.

[mephy777]

actualy the federal goverment dosent exisit. the united states went bank rupt awhile back and britian bailed us out. so technically britian owns the us. some pretty crazy shit

[FreeinTX]

The draft is IMMORAL!

It is ILLEGAL!!

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

And there is NO DIFFERENCE between a draft and national voultary service that is required for ANY reason!

[mephy777]

you have a choice wether are not u wish to continue with ur training.. in the draft all you have to do is show up to boot camp. and when they ask you to form a line then they will say " step forward if u wish to continue" all you have to do is stay in place and technicaly u deinied there contract and they cant punish you becuase u did everything they said (which was just to show up basicly) and there you go u no longer have to go to war against ur will

[FreeinTX]

mephy777,

I've heard that before, about not stepping foward, but I have my doubts about the eforceability considering people did do time, at the time, for draft dodging. Right?

So maybe there is a technicallity, but let's make this clear. Your RIGHTS are IN-A-LIEN-ABLE. You cannot be seperated from them, nor they from you, and you don't have to know what they are to have them, so illegal, unconstitutional, things like a draft, are NOT made legal because of a technicality.

[mephy777]

actualy all it asks you to serve ur country. it leaves you to assume... now in law ur not aloud to assume anything. all you have to do is show up. my grand father did the same thing all he did was show up and not step forward and he didnt get in trouble nor did he have to go.

[GuardofLiberty]

"Connect our young people with this broader sense of giving back." At gunpoint.

Notice how these old fucks never want to impose this "national service" on themselves.

[sjm1785]

Guess the 13th amendment isn't an issue with the third gentlemen.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Sorry big gov, my life is exactly that, my life.

[JJDarklink]

=)

good.

[CountArtha]

You know your rights, fella. That's the best defense.

[mephy777]

licon declared martial law during the civil war but he was shot befor he could return the law to civil. so up to now the people who are in controll are the milatary. notice next time u go to court u will see a yellow trim on the united states flag. that means that court is under millatarty juristdiction

[FreeinTX]

mephy777,

Can you sight, in American law, not some foreign law, in American law, where it says that yellow fringe equals military jurisdiction?

It's a dumb myth. Just because our laws are based on others laws, does NOT mean that their laws carry over. If it is NOT written in our law books, it's NOT law.

Read JURISDICTIONARY! Even start shouting, "fictitious stawman," but stop it with the yellow fringe, it will get you in trouble, and get you laughed at by any reasonable thinking judge,

[mephy777]

guess you were right on that one :3 i stand corrected.... but still i have turned around tickets by following the guide that told me that. one time i filed a suit against a police oficer for filing me a ticket. this got my social security, food stamp privledges, and abality to go to public shcools taken away yet i still got 500grand from that suit :) now most cops know my name and they just give me warnings ^ ^ (i trade marked my name btw)

[jlockuptj]

The only time that they will a draft is if the enemy landed on US soil, The vet era was the last of the draft for they found vol units did a hell of lot better while the drafted units did real bad and the vetcon knew that, I belive only thow willing to fight should go in, and it seem that the military is running 100%+ of new recruites every month and and top at that there getting the best of the best of talent

[tonylee1973]

there are some people from upper middle class and upper class in the military. My best friend went into the navy, made it into the special forces, fought in Kosovo spent the last 4 years as a contractor in Iraq. Now he wants to be a contracter in Afganistan. Its weird. He comes from upper middle class maybe upper class. But he gets bored when there is no action

[rebsunrise]

nyet

[Dogmeat1950]

ya Military isn't going to be drafting lol war is becoming advanced hell every 1 that goes into the U.S military must know things like Algebra, and shit like that. called the ASVAB test.

[realdeal119]

who is is this bill gates jr lookin muthafucka at the right? hes a fuckin pussy. he supports the draft cause hes too old to join

[Mclendon89]

Wow, who the fuck are these douche-bags? I'll be damned if I'd ever fight for the 'elite' scum that think they control this planet. They continue to use the youth to fight for their agendas, meanwhile they sit in their mansions and reap the benefits and collect massive profits from engineered wars. Anyone who complies with a draft is a tool of the elite, and are being USED for some old fart's gain!

[superdog797]

You say you are against a draft because you refuse to be a tool of the elite, but do you not realize that if there were a draft, the military wouldn't be a tool of the elite, because everyone would be a part of it.

[ab1tchslap]

Oh, of course. I'm sure it would be much more open minded of me if I supported the idea of forcing people to fight in a war even thought it's a clear violation of the constitution. The government doesn't own us. They shouldn't be able force us to fight and die for them.

[ab1tchslap]

It seems like you would have to be a complete asshole to support the idea of a draft.

[superdog797]

I think you're a hypocrite because you live in the US reaping whatever benefits might come our way, whine about unconstitutional wars, but don't leave. Sitting around whining about things won't change JACK SHIT; you need to actually DO something to make a statement. Against a foreign policy of the US? Shut up and leave, and stop paying taxes, you two faced gutless hypocrite.

The idea of a draft is so logical it's ridiculous. If America stands for anything, everyone should have to contribute.

[ab1tchslap]

America stands for freedom. If everyone had to "contribute" like they do in authoritarian countries it would defeat the purpose don't you think?

Since when does leaving the country solve problems? Why are you making so many assumptions about me? I think you're gay because you hang out in the showers at the YMCA even though you didn't work out at all.

[superdog797]

If America stands for freedom, then why do we have to pay taxes? Everyone already has to contribute, and no one questions that and says it's an infringement on freedom, and if people think that the political system actually means something they should be willing to walk the walk that could be entailed by such a system.

My point about protesting a war is essentially that it means nothing, because you do support the war machine through taxes and retaining American residency.

[ab1tchslap]

Actually, I think there are a few people who question taxes and say that they are an infringment on freedom. If the government forces you to give up money that you worked for, how is that any different from involuntary servitude?

If everyone stopped paying taxes because they were against the war, what would stop the government from printing money to fund it? Whether you protest legally or protest in a way that could get you arrested, there's still a chance that the government will ignore you.

[superdog797]

My point about the taxes is that saying that America stands for freedom is inaccurate; America stands for a particular kind of freedom, stemming from philosophy about social contracts.

Look, my point is just that people's convictions are not actually as strong as they would have you believe. Sure, they care enough about a war to take a weekend to go march around the capital for a few hours, but they aren't actually willing to DO anything. They are still a part of the problem, not solution.

[ab1tchslap]

I don't know what you expect people to do. Would you be happy with the anti war people if they attempted to violently overthrow the government? Not everyone has the resources to do that. The government is pretty powerful. They do have the military you know. It seems like trying to convince people so they go vote for better politicians might be slightly more effective, especially since it won't get you shot.

[superdog797]

Hypocrites are on both sides. It seems very wrong for people in America, for or against a particular war, to sit around and talk philosophically about the war, but not be willing to either risk their own life in it (draft), or stop supporting the government making the war (protesters), while they receive whatever benefits war might bring to their country. It also seems to undermine the value of life by creating a class of people to do all the risk (non-draft military) for monetary reward.

[Idude893]

A military draft should happen ONLY if the state itself is in danger of being destroyed or conquered by another country. Drafts must be an ABSOLUTE last resort for any country in danger of being taken over.

Any other case is unnecessary, a generation killer, and a sign that a country is turning to a police state.

[Crusherxt]

As you said, the draft should only be put in place if we are in danger of some sort of ground based invasion. Suddenly training a mass amount of regular citizens to become these elite trained operatives is completely out of the question. To think that you can send citizens that are trained in a matter of 4 months to a country on the otherside of the world and get anything done is a great mistake.

It's just like chess. You can't send a pawn to do a knight's job.

[stunadavid]

If we were really facing a foreign invasion the citizens wouldnt just sit there and take it. Meaning the draft is just a way to override public disapproval of a war *cough* Vietnam *cough*.

[stunadavid]

*cough* Vietnam *cough*

[saxonsnowredux]

@superdog797

Well, someone misses the point.

[rockking05]

@ab1tchslap most American support the draft so most American are assholes like you said.

[ab1tchslap]

@rockking05

17% does not constitute a majority, but if you think that the 17% who support the draft are assholes, I'm not going to disagree with you.

[Omegafrost69]

Only if we were desprete I would agree. Like the movie red dawn (made in the 1980s). If you don't agree well sorry for you. For being a coward that is.

[NatedogJr]

Wow. Admiral Gary Roughead is a cool person as our Chief of Naval Operations.

Never met him, but have to know him in my NJROTC unit

C/SN Nathan Dawson

Area 11, NJROTC

[LastTrueLiberal]

The arguments against the draft were absolutely god awful. Only one argument is sufficient. Since the enlightenment era, the West has had a notion of something called "personal sovereignty".

[LastTrueLiberal]

If you are between the ages of 18-27, the last speaker has a gun to your head.

[Zobor111]

You can beat any draft. Just fail the physical they have. "Cant hear, see, or move right. Also suicidal ideas will get U rejected. Dont go to war, you will be SORRY!

[Breaker3051]

Lmao I'll remember that. Reminds me of what george carlin said. Called in for jury duty and wonna get out of it? Tell'em the truth! You can spot the guilty JUST by looking at them!! lol

[chucktx002]

i agree..fck the draft...I do believe that the military is only for people that want to serve, and not being FORCED TO SERVE...i was in the army at one time, and I am GLAD I am out...If someone made me go over there and fight, I would not do anything I was told because I am not there on my own will...So to the ones who wanna enforce a draft "GO FCK YOURSELF"..

[kingneddy]

upside-down cross as the symbol of this tv channel?bottom left of screen...

[Cold157]

leave the military to real military personal...people who want, love and enjoy the job and go at it with the right attitude and professionalism to begin with. forcing people into something they don´t want just pisses them off more .. and all the screaming and yelling and the getting up early won´t help, trust me! I know! ;-)

[ihavtugo]

ya im sure a lot of people rather do the mandatory prison sentence then go into the military. Where that person might not be completely set for anything that might happen.

[Cold157]

f*ck the draft!I´m not going to war, just because politicans tell me to! freedom is the right to choose my path in life. democracy is letting people choose for themselves!we have a draft in germany (military or civil service) and 95% of us, who went to the army, just went to shoot some guns and drive tanks for the first/last time in their life and drink beer for 10 months. but looking back we all know it was a waste of time.every military needs SOLDIERS,but not everyone is made for that!

[Dmp497]

That guy on the far right can go put a tarpedo up his ass. Send him over first.

This country aint gonna have no dam draft. Where we gonna get the money from? We can't even afford to buy paper towels for the soldiers we got now.

And where we gonna get the money from also to build the extra jail space that we'll need when just about everybody wises up and says that they arent gonna risk their life for some ignorant politican(s)

[BaronVonNewport]

The guy in favor of the draft is a dean of students? I wonder how much military service he has completed? He sure hasn't done squat in service to the nation being a Dean. The Schools in the US have been in serious decline for decades, and he's been riding that gravy train. What a hypocrite.

[BaronVonNewport]

Isn't it interesting that the liberals were against the draft in the 1960's/70's. But now that they control both the Presidency and the Congress, they are all for it. But then the people who protested the draft in the past are too old to be drafted and they are the ones supporting the draft now.

[thundersnake1]

liberals are stupid.

[BaronVonNewport]

No argument from this position.

[thundersnake1]

i would like to say, obama screwed over all those liberals who voted for him.

[Geographer76]

Seems to be a political trend of both parties.

[BaronVonNewport]

When is Steinberg joining?  Kaplan is right, you will have a two tier military, on top you have the military leaders, on the bottom you have.....Cannon Fodder.

[BaronVonNewport]

If they want a mandatory volunteer force, I'll join, I'll be in line right behind Rahm Emanuel and the Obamamama.

[BaronVonNewport]

I think the draft is a good idea, with conditions. First, no exemptions. No school deferments, no politicians kids ducking out. Second, no choices for jobs, take the ASVAB and go do what it says you qualify for, we don't need a person who cannot boil water trying to be a cook, or a person is too dumb to use a screw driver flying a helicopter.

[gurumagoo]

I am very proud of my service in the military. Like everyone else, I volunteered to serve, and I have no regrets. I would do again if I could; but the man who comes and tells me I don't have the right to choose my own path in life, will die on doorstep. I'll be proud of boys if they decide to serve, but by God, if anyone tries to take that choice away from them, there will be blood.

[jessepelley]

All of the men in my family volunteered for past foreign wars, except me. If the courts ruled against the bill of rights and God's law back then, they wouldn't have joined.

[OldBenFranklin]

Politicians in Washington today are very worried about a violent revolution in this country. They should be, as they've been robbing and lying to the people for years. Inside sources tell us the real purpose of this civilian military force is to contain internal uprisings. These federal street thugs will be armed with short-barrel machine guns and put in our cities to carry out

"drills" on street corners and in private neighborhoods. Their purpose is to threaten and intimidate civilians.

[Piscivorus]

Drafts don't work. You end up with hard working and patriotic Americans like me getting into firefights with police who are trying to arrest me for dodging the draft or, end up A.W.O.L. after killing some fuckwit who tried to kill me for disobeying his lousy orders in the middle of bumfuck nowhere half way around the world on some baloney mission to liberate oil wells for politicians who don't give a shit about me! The only draft the military should have is beer in their chow halls.

[underaserpentsun]

you first steinberg! and after you're drafted you definitely wont be seen slouching in that fucking chair again. if the draft was reinstated there would be mass emigration from this country. much of the populous is finally beginning to wake up to the fact that the US has become a hypocritical, corrupt empire on the brink of fascism.. inevitably destined for failure without revolution-like change.

[markdksc]

THIS is NOTHING but SLAVERY

[regigiti]

And my slavery form just came in the mail. I'm to report for duty in 2 months.

[markdksc]

??? for the three months??? or did you sign up for the military?

[Piscivorus]

Well, good luck. Hope the pay is worth the risk.

[aiyic]

Don't go! Being told when to eat, sleep, shit, fight, die...is not not service. Be brave and tell the to go fuck themselves.

[T00Lology100]

@markdksc I know i seriously cannot believe i really heard any of that, these people are Reeeeetarted.

[Muffinfordinner]

please institute the draft so we can get this generation of their fucking asses and to the streets. plus it might just ressurect rock and roll.

[Libertarian150]

so, you're not for freedom...

[Droxen222]

id rather fight and die, going against the draft, then to be a pawn in a politicians war game. -The military will not be elite anymore, even tho i question how leet we are today, it could be a lot worse. - a draft will spark rebellion, riots and mass desertion. in the end, we should just bring the troops home and save lives and money, And mind our own damn business!

[Conservative77]

It's a good point that with a draft, the military wouldn't be so "elite" because joining the military would be a requirement.

But i also think a draft is necessary to instill dicipline into the youth. Many get lazy and go on to be drug addicts. This country started going downwards when we took out the draft. We need to instill common sence and dicipline into americans, so that they can go on to live worthy lives.

[rudedude423]

This is a little different than a military draft, this ends the separation of military and civilian governments, that means the end of posse comitatus. If you are truly conservative then you would see how this is not right, discipline is a resposibility of the PARENTS not the STATE, this is not conservative, this is a neo-liberal scam to etch out our democracy so our new Communistic government will be complete. The founding fathers are simply rolling in their graves.

[LordAidenWolf]

And a worthy life would be what according to you? That statement is completely relative to the individual person, what you view as worthy may be viewed as absolutely horrendous by another.

By the way, there was a draft in Vietnam and the country went to absolute hell, so where is the jam in your donut for that logic?

[greenfury87]

A draft is the most tyrannical policy ever. It totally destroys individual liberty. I would rather be in another 1000 iraq-style wars before i would believe in a draft.

[hensley5285]

shue & you could be drafted & sent to Iraq...

[DontSprayMeBro]

notice that the "register for selective service" ads have been increasing lately. heard one today about a kid that shows up to date a girl and the father slams that door in his face because he is 19 and hasn't registered. when the daughter asks her father who was at the door, he replies "someone you don't want to know!"

Fit is about to hit the shan folks...

[mialst]

DRAFT THE POLITICIANS.

[PowerAndPerception]

NO!

[AuroraKismet]

Too bad Senator Daniel Webster wasn't on that stage giving his speech about why conscription is unconstitutional.

The right questions weren't being asked on that stage.

[BFTCaL]

what a waste of brain power and my time.

[Plutonwolf]

Kaplan is so full of shit. The truth is, as long as the elite (rich bastards) children aren't at risk, this country will always succumb to the temptation to indulge in ill considered wars for profit. Put Chad Richerfeller and Buffy Trustfundington in marine greens and see how quickly we head into the next "Iraq".

[Matchu80]

mm.. "universal national service".. sounds so good~

Socialism: Freedom's Worst Enemy '08

Steinberg can go shove his mandatory government service up his ass. Anyone who would go to "Lyndon B. Johnson's School of Public Affairs" is a crazy fool.

Lyndon B. Johnson is the president who signed off on the Gulf of Toinkin so that we could get support for a draft during the Vietnam War. What a man to praise for domestic policy!

[stone1home]

Kaplan is full of bullshit. These guys are all full of bullshit.

[sugarpuddin88]

Draft means the end of US Hegemony

[NegPhil]

They will not feed my son to their corporate war machine. NEVER!

[stone1home]

With the draft, the corporate war machine would cease to exist.

[stargate669]

dude if you want to steal, kill, molest kids, deal in drugs, own lots of sex slaves and be rich forever join the military. It's not even illegal and you'll get awards.

[stone1home]

....that's about the size of it.

[ResearchX]

The people of a free country should never be forced to serve. They should only volunteer to serve if they agree with what the gov. is doing. Forcing people to fight in illegal wars will only lead to armed revolution.

[stone1home]

What dream world are you living on? They only volunteer now because of coercion and economic need.

[ResearchX]

You are right stone1home but they are not yet being threatend with imprisonment if they do not join up. That is what a draft would do. You would have no choice. Show up for service or go to jail. Also, the rich kids would still not get drafted. They always find ways to keep the rich and influential families out of war.

[stone1home]

You are tight about the rich- they have done and will always do pretty much whatever they want. But more of Middle America would stand up against illegal wars if their kids might get drafted.

[jtr3030]

a draft would end the war

[BaronVonNewport]

No, it would just give whoever is in power a ready supply of manpower to extend the war as long as they like.

[lydiasaintjohn]

every member of the military I know say they hate the idea of a draft since they would rather serve with people who have not been forced into this place.