Many things are easy to really notice in the movie that is like the books though. THe head chef swelters blatant and casual pedophile body language and stares at the young kitchen boys, Steerpike's inner resentment and coldblooded intention, and the queens total dedication to Gormanghast and its traditions. Her hobby to pass the time just happens to be cats and the ever awsome Mr Chalk. ^^
This is the only part of the adaptation that I object to! In the book Steerpike doesn't wear a mask to hide his burns and Fuschia doesn't give two figs! It's his violent outburst that makes her see him for what he really is. This version makes Fuschia seem so shallow and princessy! In the book she is feisty and idealistic and a brilliant tragic heroine!
thsi was the worst part og the BBC series. why did they have to change it. and Fuchsia is way better in the book. she didn't ask him to take his mask off! still, Titus is cute
The BBC film version twisted a lot of the characters and completely bastardized poor Fuchsia. Trust me when I say Fuchsia in the novel and Fuchsia in the (poorly) made BBC miniseries are NOTHING alike.
SHE is the sympathetic one, NOT Steerpike--a high-shouldered, pale, close-set red eyed, bulging forehead Sadist!
You're right in the book the only person I felt sorry for was Fuchsia. The twins were monstrosities, The doctor was barking mad, Titus was spoiled, Steerpike was a stalker, and as for the lord and lady, well they are just mental. I actualy did feel sorry for lord lord groan though.
Fruchsia was just left alone most of the time it seems and no one bothered to teach her anything. She was just a waste of space in her parent's eyes.
See, that's funny because I felt oppositely about everyone except Titus and Lady Groan - I was really sad by how he turned out, but not surprised. The twins has obviously been treated similarly to Fuschia when they were younger and were mentally ill to boot. I liked the doctor - I thought his idiosyncracies were more deliberate?
Though Lady Groan *was* mental. She was also the strongest character there which I liked. Steerpike... was sympathetic to begin with but becomes ruined by 'power'.
I guess you could feel sympathetic towards the twins... but reading them speak was mind-boggling and eventually their characters got on my nerves so badly I was actually hoping for Steerpike to off them as soon as possible (as you can always rely on Steerpike to kill someone!)
As for Steerpike himself... I can see why all the people watching this adaptation are sort of rooting for him: he's good-looking, charming and goes about speaking of rebellion and equality.
But in the book it was very clear that it was all just sweet talk and strategy, in the first five minutes Steerpike spent in Fuchsia's dream room he had figured out that she wanted to live an adventure and he needed to pose as her companion, some Byronic hero she could idolize.
I think when you read the novel you really see how his undeniable intelligence is really cold and manipulative, and in a way he loses the "human touch" that makes you go "Aww, poor guy..."
@littlekasino HAHA! So true about the twins. I mean, now I can be reasonable but I remember first reading the books and just finding them so... 'wtf?'
Yeah I don't want to seem like I'm bashing because I've read the books (tbh I hate people like that!). This film is just another fan's interpretation - like fanfiction only a fanmovie? - when you think about it. Steerpike is definitely a rue New Romantic rebel which is never a bad thing. He's still twisted, though!
no, I understand. I enjoyed this adaptation very much, even when in my head I was making little notes about the books, I still liked it a lot.
And now I understand all the Steerpike fanvideos you find around the net: leave it to Jonathan Rhys Meyers to turn a manipulative sociopath into a heart-throb! And hasn't he done the same with the chronic beheadder Henry VIII? I wonder if he'll be cast as Macbeth next! :)
and poor girl, as her only friend she had an ignorant and dim-witted nanny who would often act as much of a spoiled brat as any of the brats she must have raised :)
She was the only one I felt sorry for too, and like you I would skim through the books to the parts where she was. I was hoping that Steerpike would fall in love with her but he was simply using her. He was cold and calculating and only someone as desperate for love and attention as Fuchsia could fall for him.
@Rowan07001484 Poor Fuchsia. She was so loving, though denied it from both her parents. All she had was her nanny, and she would go off on her a lot of the time. She seems, to me, to be an artistic person that was never really given the chance to find and develop herself. She shows all sorts of indications, like the sharp will of her mother and quick wit--but she is just too hemmed up. I dislike how people sympathize with Steerpike more so and says its justifiable--when it isn't, he's a coward.
@xdarkwingsofdesire6 Aw, that's too bad he's not as sympathetic in the books. Although I usually root for people like Steerpike. Seeing the story from the villian's point of view is always more interesting to me. I think that anyone in a kingdom ruled by idiots, might do what he did. I wouldn't say it's right, but self-preservation and taking the opportunity to get ahead are common human traits. So we can sympathize with his need to be more than what he was. An abused kitchen boy.
Ugh, what the hell. Why do guys always fall in "love" with the idiots? Christ, she's mean, spoiled, vain, callow, and most importantly, not all that bright. What the hell did Steerpike see in her? >.>
URGH!!! Read the book this is wrong! it takes away from Steerpikes sinister mentality. The actors are great, but the writers could have stayed closer to the book! A great series thanks for posting it. I'm sorry I just find it so frustrating that they stray from the book! It's still great and Thanks!!
Take it you're a fan of the books. I get worked up myself if it's a book you love that hasn't been done justice. But to be fare, this must be a hard book to ever do justice on screen. They did a good job, to be honest I skipped someof the book, and read mostly the chapters about fuchsia, and the twins, and steerpike and some about lady groan. I found it a tough read probaly becuase I'm not very inteligent, and usualy just read children's novels like harry potter. LOL.
lol. honestly i'm the same. But i made it through. And i agree it must have been hard to do the books justice, because the books imply so much. just confusing! I wish the would have made Titus Alone though. what a twist i did not expect it to be a whole different time period.
No one could really do justice to the books though. They are so rich, so atmospheric and detailed. The characters are some of the most interesting and wonderful in English literature despite the air of mustiness and apathy of Gormenghast. I think the BBC did a good job.
He had good reasons to murder, I'd be like that too, that's why I find it so hard to actually hate him or anything, he had valid reasons to be the way he was.
@jetulik
blocked.
Rowan07001484 4 months ago
steerpike didn't love fuschia he was completely incapable of loving anyone or anything (other than power)
issystardust 5 months ago
to clarify it though steerpike did sort of love fushia i think he loved power more but he did love her some
MarilynMacron 8 months ago
Man shes annyoing She wants him to take the mask off she takes the mask off shes not happy like WTF!!!!! Wat does she want!
lola01ization 9 months ago 7
Many things are easy to really notice in the movie that is like the books though. THe head chef swelters blatant and casual pedophile body language and stares at the young kitchen boys, Steerpike's inner resentment and coldblooded intention, and the queens total dedication to Gormanghast and its traditions. Her hobby to pass the time just happens to be cats and the ever awsome Mr Chalk. ^^
screwthenet 1 year ago
He is so poor and painful!
His only pure love is Fuchsia!
BlueLarkFly 1 year ago 2
This is the only part of the adaptation that I object to! In the book Steerpike doesn't wear a mask to hide his burns and Fuschia doesn't give two figs! It's his violent outburst that makes her see him for what he really is. This version makes Fuschia seem so shallow and princessy! In the book she is feisty and idealistic and a brilliant tragic heroine!
zweckzero4 1 year ago
so dramatic!
Luiggina12 1 year ago
Very Phantom of the Opera here
anisete46 1 year ago 5
okay that part is very much like the phantom of the opera, the monkey, the mask, the room...
TheNudibranch1 2 years ago
Yeah.
Chad48309 1 year ago
Wow ! I like a boy !
Sovanny56 2 years ago
Now I see how he got the Henry VIII part on the Tudors... Do you guys like the Tudors in England and the UK?
VercingetorixXIII 2 years ago 3
Yeh, I like the tudors sort of. I watched a few episodes. really liked series three.
Rowan07001484 2 years ago
@VercingetorixXIII yes, im english and i like the Tudors very much. but he does do a VERY good Steerpike
RedQueen112 1 year ago
thsi was the worst part og the BBC series. why did they have to change it. and Fuchsia is way better in the book. she didn't ask him to take his mask off! still, Titus is cute
TeneaRhiannon 2 years ago
Gandolf the gray has become yoda.
happyunhappy13 2 years ago
@happyunhappy13
Hahahaha! Even though, considering the actor, technically that would be Saruman ;)
littlekasino 1 year ago
She looks like she's going to throw up when he takes off the mask and she sees his face for the first time. hahaha
urylia 2 years ago
The BBC film version twisted a lot of the characters and completely bastardized poor Fuchsia. Trust me when I say Fuchsia in the novel and Fuchsia in the (poorly) made BBC miniseries are NOTHING alike.
SHE is the sympathetic one, NOT Steerpike--a high-shouldered, pale, close-set red eyed, bulging forehead Sadist!
xdarkwingsofdesire6 2 years ago 3
You're right in the book the only person I felt sorry for was Fuchsia. The twins were monstrosities, The doctor was barking mad, Titus was spoiled, Steerpike was a stalker, and as for the lord and lady, well they are just mental. I actualy did feel sorry for lord lord groan though.
Fruchsia was just left alone most of the time it seems and no one bothered to teach her anything. She was just a waste of space in her parent's eyes.
Rowan07001484 2 years ago 2
See, that's funny because I felt oppositely about everyone except Titus and Lady Groan - I was really sad by how he turned out, but not surprised. The twins has obviously been treated similarly to Fuschia when they were younger and were mentally ill to boot. I liked the doctor - I thought his idiosyncracies were more deliberate?
Though Lady Groan *was* mental. She was also the strongest character there which I liked. Steerpike... was sympathetic to begin with but becomes ruined by 'power'.
Sapphonouveau 2 years ago 2
@Sapphonouveau
I guess you could feel sympathetic towards the twins... but reading them speak was mind-boggling and eventually their characters got on my nerves so badly I was actually hoping for Steerpike to off them as soon as possible (as you can always rely on Steerpike to kill someone!)
As for Steerpike himself... I can see why all the people watching this adaptation are sort of rooting for him: he's good-looking, charming and goes about speaking of rebellion and equality.
littlekasino 1 year ago
@littlekasino
But in the book it was very clear that it was all just sweet talk and strategy, in the first five minutes Steerpike spent in Fuchsia's dream room he had figured out that she wanted to live an adventure and he needed to pose as her companion, some Byronic hero she could idolize.
I think when you read the novel you really see how his undeniable intelligence is really cold and manipulative, and in a way he loses the "human touch" that makes you go "Aww, poor guy..."
littlekasino 1 year ago
@littlekasino HAHA! So true about the twins. I mean, now I can be reasonable but I remember first reading the books and just finding them so... 'wtf?'
Yeah I don't want to seem like I'm bashing because I've read the books (tbh I hate people like that!). This film is just another fan's interpretation - like fanfiction only a fanmovie? - when you think about it. Steerpike is definitely a rue New Romantic rebel which is never a bad thing. He's still twisted, though!
Sapphonouveau 1 year ago
@Sapphonouveau
no, I understand. I enjoyed this adaptation very much, even when in my head I was making little notes about the books, I still liked it a lot.
And now I understand all the Steerpike fanvideos you find around the net: leave it to Jonathan Rhys Meyers to turn a manipulative sociopath into a heart-throb! And hasn't he done the same with the chronic beheadder Henry VIII? I wonder if he'll be cast as Macbeth next! :)
littlekasino 1 year ago
@Rowan07001484
and poor girl, as her only friend she had an ignorant and dim-witted nanny who would often act as much of a spoiled brat as any of the brats she must have raised :)
littlekasino 1 year ago
@Rowan07001484
She was the only one I felt sorry for too, and like you I would skim through the books to the parts where she was. I was hoping that Steerpike would fall in love with her but he was simply using her. He was cold and calculating and only someone as desperate for love and attention as Fuchsia could fall for him.
Morgana0x 1 year ago
@Rowan07001484 Poor Fuchsia. She was so loving, though denied it from both her parents. All she had was her nanny, and she would go off on her a lot of the time. She seems, to me, to be an artistic person that was never really given the chance to find and develop herself. She shows all sorts of indications, like the sharp will of her mother and quick wit--but she is just too hemmed up. I dislike how people sympathize with Steerpike more so and says its justifiable--when it isn't, he's a coward.
xdarkwingsofdesire6 1 year ago
@xdarkwingsofdesire6 Aw, that's too bad he's not as sympathetic in the books. Although I usually root for people like Steerpike. Seeing the story from the villian's point of view is always more interesting to me. I think that anyone in a kingdom ruled by idiots, might do what he did. I wouldn't say it's right, but self-preservation and taking the opportunity to get ahead are common human traits. So we can sympathize with his need to be more than what he was. An abused kitchen boy.
sumoni 1 year ago
steerpike i love you loves fushia or not?it s only ambition?who is he whetre proceeding it s an orphan??
tiadejo 2 years ago
Ugh, what the hell. Why do guys always fall in "love" with the idiots? Christ, she's mean, spoiled, vain, callow, and most importantly, not all that bright. What the hell did Steerpike see in her? >.>
phytoalexa 2 years ago
He didn't fall in love with her. His plan was to seduce her so she would have to marry him...Steerpike detests love.
k1ttycat 2 years ago
erm what he sees in fusha is an oppourtunity to marry into the groan family and take over gormenghast, love doesnt much come into it.
remember THINK before you type.
xxtiaan 2 years ago
She is SERIOUSLY superficial. I have never seen anyone more shallow!
DarkPrincessofHades 2 years ago
And above all, she is a daft git! I cannot stand her for the life of me.
phytoalexa 2 years ago
she was nothing like that in the books. They ruined her in this part...
MoonPhase94 2 years ago
URGH!!! Read the book this is wrong! it takes away from Steerpikes sinister mentality. The actors are great, but the writers could have stayed closer to the book! A great series thanks for posting it. I'm sorry I just find it so frustrating that they stray from the book! It's still great and Thanks!!
0Alister0 2 years ago 2
Take it you're a fan of the books. I get worked up myself if it's a book you love that hasn't been done justice. But to be fare, this must be a hard book to ever do justice on screen. They did a good job, to be honest I skipped someof the book, and read mostly the chapters about fuchsia, and the twins, and steerpike and some about lady groan. I found it a tough read probaly becuase I'm not very inteligent, and usualy just read children's novels like harry potter. LOL.
Rowan07001484 2 years ago
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chumleythegreat 2 years ago
lol. honestly i'm the same. But i made it through. And i agree it must have been hard to do the books justice, because the books imply so much. just confusing! I wish the would have made Titus Alone though. what a twist i did not expect it to be a whole different time period.
0Alister0 2 years ago
@0Alister0
No one could really do justice to the books though. They are so rich, so atmospheric and detailed. The characters are some of the most interesting and wonderful in English literature despite the air of mustiness and apathy of Gormenghast. I think the BBC did a good job.
Morgana0x 1 year ago
He named his monkey Satan?
FantasmaLuna 2 years ago
oh my goodness, JRM is the Phantom of the Opera and fuchsia is Christine Daae!!
GeneLovesClassic1980 2 years ago 2
My exact same thoughts xD
Poor Steerpike, he's so lovely and Fuchsia was mean ;A;
UmiKruspe89 2 years ago
Steepike...lovely? Yes...murder and seduction are lovely things.
k1ttycat 2 years ago
He had good reasons to murder, I'd be like that too, that's why I find it so hard to actually hate him or anything, he had valid reasons to be the way he was.
UmiKruspe89 2 years ago
Just with more killing and no opera singing...
k1ttycat 2 years ago
he actually doesn't look that bad. I'd date that xD jkjk
agreatguy6 3 years ago 2
could you please post steerpike and fuchsia romance thanks
seanscone 3 years ago
Thank you so much for putting these up.
SIARFT 3 years ago
Will do. Don't worry. Might add some tommorow.
Rowan07001484 3 years ago
Please add the rest soon!!!!
nelindada314 3 years ago