For the most-part, it's anti-straight-white male bashing on TV, especially commercials and sitcoms, if you're not gay, you're just a fat, beer-drinking doofus slob who can't do anything right.
For the most part however, it you're a black male, or a gay male and of course a women, then you have all the brains and common sense in the world and life is good.
Not one youtube vid inspiring men to be better men - not masters, not slaves - strong conscientious adults. You pick rare cases and quote studies on college kids being equally as violent. Those are the ONLY studies showing eqaul hitting, not murder and grievous bodily harm. You are lying. REAL domestic violence happens when the woman has children. That's when she's vulnerable. WOmen are hearing all this mra shit & just backing away from men in droves. I hardly know any who want a man these days.
Why do you have to be a bad guy or a fool, WHy aren't there any men on youtube counselling men to be strong conscientious men. Why do you always think you have to be master or slave. Amy WInehouse was RUINED emotionally by her fathers 10 year affair when she was a child. He then ran off with the woman so Amy spent all those years hurting and yes she tried to numb it with drugs and booze. So many women destroyed by male selfishness.
I get pissed off with double-standards in the media too. I would say though, the Carrie Underwood music video isn't a great example. If you watch Justin Timberlake's video for Cry Me A River you see Justin breaking and entering into an ex's house, damaging property whilst singing about his anger at being dumped and his wish to make his ex cry, filming himself getting it on with someone else in her house and generally being a creepy stalker. Nobody seemed to mind that music video.
Maybe everybody hates men because men are "fuckers". Fuckers are destructive and anti authoritatrian therefore they have to be conscripted for war, die for women, bla bla. You know, like an expendable peice of shit.
gtreat stuff but no one mentioned the betty broderick case. the feminazi's went to bat for her big time when she killed her husband and new bride after months of threats and harassment that the police all but ignored. if dan broderick had killed betty for leaving him for another man (as my older sister did to my ex brother in law) do you think the outcome would've been the same? even monsters like casey anthony and susan smith have only to say "i was molested" and the sympathy flows like water.
You are missing the point, My Socal back stabbing Daugther, is an Adult 19 y'o and a parent lives with HER boyfriend that she'll NEVER MARRY Just to help HER MOTHER collect CHILDSUPPORT. That is married and on welfare and on section 8 and working off the books for 4 years now. I GET A RED FLAG ON Income TAX's week , It doesn't make any sense.
I've been paying childsupport since 1993 (she was born in 1992) - Plus Extra, we're in 2011.
@GTCism Canadians are tolerant of gays walking around naked, man-hating feminists chanting about hating men, every single deviant lifestyle, teens having sex and having bastard kids, multiculturalism, racist affirmative action.
Canadians don't really have any value on international level that why they lost the UNSC bid.
Plus, Canadian girls dress in the most sluttiest manner possible and do there best to promote all anti-male garbage in Canadian media and society.
"... I have questioned the basic premise of contemporary American feminism. For instance, I do not believe that women in American society are oppressed, or members of a subordinate class. It is no longer reasonable to say that as a group, women are worse off than men. The truth is that American women are among the freest in the world. And yet hearing me say that, there are women who wish to excommunicate me from my sex!" Christina Hoff Sommers
"I don't mind if men put effort into solving mens issues but to convince themselves they are oppressed is just absurd."
Men's issues ARE about Men's oppression. Are not Women's Issues about Women's Oppression? By the way, Men's Issues are about all Men not just white heterosexual men.
@jimbracewell1940 hey hey dont bother back commenting this lil hore lol. ive seen her stupidity on oter vids too... dont bother this hore. 2ndly. I am in fully against this bullsh1t coz trust me I got blood just like you, haha don worry obviously unlike the water in the veins of feminists n bullsh1t like angel hores hehe. I just hope this bullsh1t ends. n dont worry, I'll try to bring justice to these fkers too, for over 60% of these reports are being just false accusations for pathetic reasons.
"I have spoken to MRAs enough to know that men do indeed complain and MRAs seem mostly to be white heterosexual males."
How many MRAs have you spoken to and how do you know from your anecdotal evidence that they are WHMs. "MRAs seem mostly to be WHMs," is not statistically significant.
"White heterosexual males (WHMs) are the least oppressed." Would that be in your town, in the US or in the World? Logically, to be the "least oppressed" WHMs would have to at least be a little oppressed. Thank you for that concession. How would you rank white heterosexual women?
You are amazed because so few men actually complain. We are, by socialization, taught not to complain. You are simply not use to hearing or listening to men complain.
Your comment mirrors that of society. You and they simply don't want to hear it. Why do you suppose that is. It's those damn gender roles that women are allowed to complain about but that men are denied.
When I said least oppressed I meant they are not oppressed due to their race, sexuality or gender. They can however be oppressed due to their class. Men are not oppressed as men.
Ok, I get it. You don't know what you mean until someone questions your logic. In my opinion, your opinion of men is absurd, uninformed and heartless. You can make any denegrating remarks about men that you want and then, when challenged, take no responsibility for their veracity. In your own words," I am not trying to prove anything just providing my opinion." Enough said.
No I know exactly what I mean. Whatever really. You think you are oppressed you should probably try to convince people rather then getting on your high horse.
They still hold most of the major political positions. They still hold most of the wealth. Men still hold most of the high positions in business. Rape is still an excusable crime in society, terms like "grey rape" and "boys will be boys" are rampant. Men are still seen as more capable in almost every way and the bosses decisions about employment and jobs are based on this.
@angeltears87 Oh so you're actually up for a genuine discussion now?
Men hold most of the wealth because men make up the largest part of the work force. Additionally men and women on average work in different sectors, men dominate sectors that pay more and require more sacrifices. This is through people's individual career choices. Not oppression.
Rape is never an excusable crime; nobody thinks that except you. Nobody convicted of rape is ever excused. They go to jail.
Men do dominate areas that pay more, but not necessarily require more sacrifice. There you go. Pay gap.
The point wasn't whether they got convicted or not but whether they had a career as glenn sacks stated he couldn't imagine that would occur. Tupacs music was and is still popular. Eminem makes millions upon millions.
When I have clarified my position quite clearly and you still cannot address it I start to doubt that you can speak english.
@angeltears87 Men on average work more hours per week than women. Men work in more hazardous and unpleasant environments than women. Male graduates complete degrees that are in highest demand (engineering, law etc). That's why men are paid more.
So really your only problem with the statement is the technicality that some male musicians still have careers after committing violent crimes. Ok well that's true. Since you didn't address anything else I said, I'm going to assume you agree with it.
You however missed my point. I was not trying to prove women are oppressed I was proving men aren't. There is a big difference. I just can't see how a rational person would see a group of people as oppressed when they hold the most wealth and political power. That is patently absurd.
@angeltears87 I'll say it again. Nobody in your rich ass country is oppressed, I'm not, neither are you. You have an extremely easy life which is completely free of hardship. Get over it.
This is a video about men's issues, you came on here feigning shock that a man was standing up for men's rights. My conclusion; whether you admit it or not, you have a problem with men standing up for men's rights. If you didn't you wouldn't be on here complaining in the first place.
I was presenting an argument for why men aren't oppressed to someone who believes they are. It isn't my fault you butt into other peoples conversations.
Yes I know you believe I have a problem with men defending their rights. That is why you kept trying to tell me what my arguments were and being incorrect about it.
If you spoke to people in an honest way perhaps your discussions would actually be fruitful.
@angeltears87 Again, you're not addressing what I said. At what point was I dishonest? To my mind, one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do is ignore discourse that contradicts yours. The way you try to handle an argument is almost exactly the same is what creationist christians do: Hear no evidence, ignore all evidence. Then if that doesn't work; accuse your opponent of dishonesty.
The things you come out with are tired old arguments, refuted repeatedly in the past.
@angeltears87 The loser in a debate is often the first to resort to outright insults.
You're right though, the discussion has reached it's end. It's probably time for you to retire from this debate with what little grace you can muster.
@angeltears87 You're on the internet, I've never met you. I said that since your level of articulation, clarity and reading compression fell drastically short of what I know from my fellow graduates, it seemed that you might be a lot younger than you claim.
Then, assuming that you are a graduate, an extension of that logic leads to questions over how effective your education was.
Again, anything relevant to add before you leave us?
@angeltears87 None of my questions are missing question marks. All of my statements are meant to be statements. Again, reading comprehension is not your strong point. Trying to pick up on typos as if they're somehow going to undermine me is the lowest you've sunk so far. And the fact that you failed at that level is just plain embarrassing for you.
"Were you also claiming that what I was saying was 16 yrs old with a bullshit degree as well?" Doesn't make sense. I ignored that though.
It was sarcasm. You stated that you were calling my statements stupid. Taking that into account I was asking if you were in fact calling my statements 16 yrs old and not me as well.
Your alleged questioning of my age and my degree sure are missing question marks.
You need to learn to get out when you are ahead. You have pretty much made yourself look like an idiot now.
On that note you are blocked and I won't be receiving any more messages from you. Farewell.
@angeltears87 Ok so you were asking if I thought your statements were 16 years old? Well they did sound like they came from an angry teenager if that's what you're getting at.
They're missing question marks BECAUSE THEY ARE STATEMENTS.
Does that mean you wont be filling this space up with your angsty butthurt anymore?
@ManSpeakOut Dude, I'm a heterosexual male that earns a salary, lives with a female that earns a salary and does some but not all of the housework. Why are you telling me this?
And I'm not going to dinner with you, regardless of who pays the bill.
@angeltears87 i cant believe the limit of insanity your brain hasnt crossed yet. I wont even put you in prison lol you will start killing others n when you fail you will kill your own ass n just cause smell. best to dispose you. literally i mean. i am serious like hell n i will make you pay for this hell. mock off for no cause you can just put me in jail for any fake accusation lol but dont worry. I dont store anger, I store hatred, oops sorry i forgot you cant understand the difference b/w them
@mrjimbles84 You also forgot to mention the fact that men much more often then women stop climbing the corporate ladder to have and raise children.
Women like angeltears87 complain why there is few women at the top of the ladder but are just fine that there is also few women at the very bottom. I never take these kinds of people seriously, they only fight for equality for women at only the places where its of benefit to them.
Once again, in your own words," I am not trying to prove anything just providing my opinion." Now you contradict yourself and state, "Here is proof men aren't oppressed." Which quote am I to believe? In my opinion you are not interested in a civil discussion so I chose to remain on my "high horse."
@angeltears87 Troll or just really fucking stupid, I'm not sure.
So according to your logic you have to be atleast one of; female, gay or an ethnic minority in order to complain? Oops, that makes you a racist, a sexist and heterophobe at the same time.
@angeltears87 It's not a strawman, it's what you said. You said you were surprised at white men complaining about things. So by implication you believe that being white, male and straight voids the necessity of their complaint. Or you think that there is really nothing for them to complain about, which is not a position I find easy to defend.
So how are they to "put effort into" solving the problems men face today without first speaking up, oh arbiter of of societal morality?
It is actually not what I said, as already stated. My puzzlement about heterosexual white men complaining was them complaining as though they are oppressed which is not the case.
@angeltears87 It is exactly what you said. Word for word.
Ok so it's the second of the positions that you hold, did you actually watch the video? Or did you just get really mad about the prospect of men standing up for men now?
@angeltears87 Well you're not clarifying very well my dear. So you're not mad about men complaining, but they're not allowed to complain "like they're oppressed", but at the same time you're surprised about them complaining, but you don't mind them standing up for themselves, but they're not allowed to seem oppressed, but they can't complain because they have it so good?
I think what has happened here is that you said something monumentally stupid, and you're trying to get away from it.
Ok. Here is my position as clear as I can make it.
I don't mind if men complain, I think societal progress is good and I would encourage all people to defend their rights and try to raise their standard of living.
I still don't really mind that much when men complain that they are oppressed as men, I however find it puzzling as it isn't true.
If you still don't understand or try to strawman, well I guess we have reached the end of what could have been a good discussion.
@angeltears87 Ok, that position is simply not consistent with what you have said though.
With regards to men claiming to be oppressed, I don't remember that choice of phrase appearing in the video. So I don't understand why it's relevant here. Genuine oppression is something you wont find in abundance in modern, liberal democracies. The issue for discussion here is that genuine injustices against men are widespread in western society and are tolerated and in some cases encouraged.
@angeltears87 You've contradicted yourself several times.
Glenn Sacks never uses the term "men are oppressed" because that's not what he thinks. You seem to struggle with the very basic concepts of proper articulation.
So if what you call oppression happens to women, homosexuals and ethnic minorities (not just blacks), then why does it not happen to us?
It does happen to men, we're not immune from it. You're trying to downplay it and I don't see why, what have you got to gain from this?
@angeltears87 Chris Brown beat his girfriend and it was all over the news, he was publicly chastised for what he did. And rightly so. When Amy Winehouse Publicly brags about the same behaviour, it goes on print, and nobody bats an eyelid. THAT's where the problem lies.
So you can present counter examples where the gender roles are reversed, that "disproves" the whole point of the video? It's not like men abusing women cancels out women abusing men, that's not how it works sweety.
@angeltears87 So does that make it just fine and dandy that the same things happen to men? Nope, they're both wrong. Once again, it's not like they cancel out.
And when somebody speaks up about it on the mens' side, they're not wrong simply because the same things can happen to women. And it doesn't warrant a massive backlash from angry teenage girls for same reasons.
Now if you don't like being insulted, don't post stupid shit on a site where people can respond in public.
For example he states he can't imagine a man having a singing career if he said he would beat his girlfriend up. However chris brown actually did beat his girlfriend up and still has a lucrative singing career. His assertions are pretty much rubbish. not because he is talking about men's rights but because he is actually talking rubbish...
@angeltears87 Lol ok then, accuse me of being insulting then insult me. Great way to take the moral high ground. Somehow I'm not buying it.
You came onto a video about men, posted a load of illogical nonsense that got publicly rebuked, surprised? Then you got pissy about it and refused to continue the debate. So now your running away from the fight.
You're right, once you've exhausted every ad hominem in the book and failed, it's probably time for you to leave, now get the fuck out.
Not the moral ground. Simply why use language designed to make the other person feel bad just for the sake of it? We could have had a nice discussion.
You were unable to prove any of what I have stated was nonsense. I do not mind disagreement in fact I welcome debate, I find it fun. Just not when the other person is being nasty. Adhominem? I did not use that logical fallacy once. Where as you are happy strawmanning away constantly.
@angeltears87 So you had to look up what an ad hominem is then.
Didn't strawman once, I just reiterated the kind of crap you were talking in plain english. If you don't like people taking implications form what you say, then be a lot more concise about what you mean. And it doesn't count if you come back ages later and claim the other person misunderstood you.
I am however not surpised by your underhanded apolitical tactics. It is a common trait amongst all MRAs I have encountered and is even encouraged within the "movement" of the MRA.
However it is hardly strange for people to get angry when people swear at them.
Give me a buzz if you ever want to talk without the boring shaming language. Otherwise good luck with the MRM, personally I think it is doomed to fail, but I have been wrong before.
@angeltears87 If you get upset about internet arguments then you shouldn't be allowed on the internet, it's a rough place and people don't pull any pieces.
The MRM wont fail, if you're vocal enough and get enough like minded people on side, you change people's attitudes, and that's how you get shit done. It worked for feminism, it will work for us too.
People like you that are against it getting all up and pissy about just shows that we're making progress, and that worries you.
Yeah MRAs accuse me of that a lot. I hate the anti-gay, anti-woman agenda of the MRA. However there are many more influential conservative movements. MRA is largely nonexistent. It is actually completely non existent in Australia where I live. So worried, whatever for?
@angeltears87 This is really sad, you've been raised in a culture that has given you a gross sense of entitlement. So suddenly when a movement arises that stands up for men it's "anti-women" and "anti-gay". Admittedly there are men in the movement that are really pissed off and use it as an excuse to be sexist, don't worry though we try and filter them out. And it's not like there wasn't an abundance of bitches like that in feminism.
Not at all, The fact that MRAs who have never bother to listen to what my politics actually are call me a "cunt" and feel justified doing so shows me that it is anti-woman. I have never viewed any sort of "filtering out" more like high fives and support. Referring to same sex marriage as "goodies" rather then rights also gives them away there.
@angeltears87 So because somebody calls you a cunt you think you're justified in this bullshit. And because they call you a cunt they're anti-woman? Are you all women? I call guys cunts all the time, doesn't mean anything sexist, just means I don't like them
Have you ever called a guy a dick? I willing to bet that you have, it's the same thing. And if you have and think that's not sexist but calling a girl a cunt is, you're a hypocrite.
There is much more to it then that. The fact that most would love to see traditional families reinstated with the man in the dominant role makes it anti-woman also. The fact that most believe that women aren't as capable in careers makes it anti-woman. The fact that they think women are less academic then men, makes it anti-woman. Calling me a cunt just puts all of that into one neat word for them.
@angeltears87 So they insult you and it means all these things at the same time? Holy fuck you have an ego on you. You would have to be incredibly weak minded to get insulted on youtube and think that's representative of millions of men around the world.
It wasn't on youtube. Nor did I say it had anything to do with men. I said it was the politics of the men's rights movement. Lol can you ever respond without a strawman?
@angeltears87 The men's rights movement is millions of men worldwide. I think what's happened is that you got trolled by some kids who just wanted to piss you off for pure shits and giggles, well it worked didn't it?
I did not get upset about it. It merely made me see the MRM as pathetic and apolitical. All the "popular" youtube MRAs echo the same sentiments. Are they all trolls too? Let go. That argument sucks.
@angeltears87 Well I watch a lot of them regularly too, and I've never come across anything anti-gay, may be some anti-women stuff but her there are a lot of loonies out there.
It all comes down to you having a problem with men standing up to the bullshit in society. And you trying to derail the discussion is just another example of that very same brand of bullshit.
The MRA at its core is anti-woman. It is very traditional family oriented.
Pinegrove for example is anti-gay. He states that wanting same sex marriage is wanting "goodies".
I derailed nothing. I was responding to your accusations.
Like I said I have no problem with people defending their rights. You spend too much time insulting me and trying to upset me so you can feel superior to actual give me any reason to think the MRA is anything but sexist and homophobic
Really it's not that hard to figure this out . I'm not trying to piss you off, you're doing a perfectly fine job of doing that yourself. Calling the MRA sexist and homophobic probably seems like an easy way to demean it's credibility, but people aren't that stupid, which is why nobody is buying your crap. Your genuinely on a lonely margin with your ideas, the mens rights movement is huge, and growing still. With more and more women joining.
traditional family oriented was the statement. And yup it sure does. Wanting to put women in a submissive position is pure bigotry and I will not support that, whatever you say.
Demean its credibility? I think the MRA does a good job of that itself. It is highly hypocritical to boot.
I did not get upset about it. It merely made me see the MRM as pathetic and apolitical. All the "popular" youtube MRAs echo the same sentiments. Are they all trolls too? Let go. That argument sucks. The fact you think "some kids" made a MRA blog, spent years on it, got involved in the MRA blogosphere, just so they could turn around and try to piss me off is ludicrous.
@angeltears87 The men's rights movement is millions of men worldwide. Oh and not to mention a lot of women too. I think what's happened is that you got trolled by some kids who just wanted to piss you off for pure shits and giggles, well it worked didn't it?
Like a beekeeper stung by bees many times I have become immune to your insults. Keep trying though it is amusing if nothing else watching you try to bash a hole in my ego so you can pat yourself on the back and say "aren't I a good MRA, I upset someone today because they didn't agree with my political opinion".
When I have been to a MRA blog linking to my blog with an article following encouraging MRAs to harress me and insult me to make me shut up and go away. Then he accordingly visits my blog and calls me a cunt. I really struggle to see how I could interpret that in anyway other then he is using a slur against me to attempt to shame me and upset me.
Been on here since the beginning. He is a fairly well respected member of the MRA blogosphere so there goes your "he is just a troll" loophole and also "we filter them out" loop hole as well.
@angeltears87 Well maybe you were just saying the same rediculous shit that got you publicly slated here. I mean it's hard not to get a little antsy about it. Fuck, I'm holding it back right now.
@angeltears87 There's another ad hominum right there. I gave you plenty of reasons why the video was justified, you tried to argue in an ineffective way, then got pissy when it didn't work. And you're still at it.
Sorry I was annoyed that you were using shaming language like "sweety" and "my, dear". When I am an adult and your equal and it derails the debate. Not to mention it is seriously lacking in maturity.
my argument still stands. I showed his assertion to be wrong, using tupac, eminem and chris brown. You can think you smashed the argument if you desire, it however remains compeling to me, whatever you may think.
@angeltears87 Well if you post stupid shit on the internet, people will treat you like an idiot. It's not like real life, people wont pull punches to save your feelings.
I picked your logic apart pretty quickly, but you went straight for the hurt feelings card and you never really responded to anything. Feel free to read back a few pages and see what you can come up with, that's if you're actually interested in getting a debate going, rather than just playing butthurt.
My feelings were not hurt in the slightest. I just get a bit fed up with it and find that arguing with people who use that debating tactic is largely ineffectual. So generally I bow out.
Please provide evidence anything I stated was "stupid shit". You have been unable to address my argument in the slightest except to call it "shit"
@angeltears87 It's not about evidence, the evidence is in the video. What I did was point out that your logic didn't work. Apparently that makes for a strawman these days.
So far you've not been able to "disprove" that men are mistreated, all you've done is tried to hijack the discussion on men's rights.
The fact of the matter is that in the wealthy liberal democracies that we live in, nobody is oppressed. If you genuinely want to see women being oppressed, go to Afghanistan.
@angeltears87 Poking holes in your logic is not a strawman. If you don't like your assertions being open to scrutiny, be a lot more explicit. Taking an implication from what you say is not a strawman.
I never said anything about either of those countries being left wing. Go and look up liberal and democracy, both words are relevant here.
Chris Brown went to jail, Amy Winehouse didn't, see where this is going?
@angeltears87 Not before I pulled your whole statement apart, and then you came running back to correct my "misinterpretation" of what you said. Learn to articulate your thoughts properly.
Amy Winehouse not going to jail is very relevant. How could it not be? She did exactly the same thing as Chris Brown, she attacked an intimate partner. That's assault and it should be treated in the same way.
Go and look up what liberal means, it lies on a different axis of the political spectrum.
You didn't pull apart my statement at all. I proved that what he said is wrong. you misinterpreted what I said. when I corrected you. You reasserted the misinterpretation. now you are reasserting it yet again.
I don't think men aren't mistreated. I was never saying men aren't mistreated.
I can't be anymore clear. My statement still stands and it still proves Sacks wrong however many times you say "I pulled it apart".
Intellectual dishonesty is a MRAs bread and butter.
@angeltears87 You're really struggling now aren't you? You barely addressed what I just said. That seems to be a recurring theme
You said something stupid and wrong, I took it to it's logical conclusion to prove the fallacy to be present. Now you keep coming back saying you meant something different by it. If you meant something different, you should have said something different.
I actually accused you of intellectual dishonesty several posts ago, are you running out of things to say now?
@angeltears87 I proved that wrong, Chris Brown went to jail, then rehab. Now his career and reputation are in tatters. What do you think would happen if he went on a national publication and bragged about it?
I've been addressing your argument right form the get go. All that you come back with is "OMG STRAWMAN!". Talk about tedious?
Oh so now I'm lying? Where did I lie. And apparently I'm the one that's disrespectful.
You lie constantly about my position no matter how many times I correct you. I am not going to defend an argument I didn't present so calling it a strawman is all I can do.
@angeltears87 Every time you come out with one of these "corrections" of yours, I deal with it directly. Then you either shout strawman, or completely ignore it and move onto something else.
When Eminem comes out with an album, all the people that got offended by it line the streets in protest.
Tupac's dead. And anyway he was conficted wasn't he? Not to mention that his career was about 20 years ago.
I accept that I am not always clear with 500 characters or less to work with, but once I clarify my position and you continue to assert the same thing over and over. Well all I can do is assume you are purposefully misrepresenting my argument because you can't respond.
I agree that men can be mistreated and you are attempting to convince me I am wrong. I really doubt I am the stupid one here...
@angeltears87 Go and look up the meaning of oppression. Then if you still don't understand come out to Afghan with an infantry battalion and have a look at what oppressed people have to go through. Listening to a bunch of fucking students from the richest parts of the world even using the word is sickening.
You come from a wealthy, middle-class dominated, liberal democracy. You are not oppressed, you have never been oppressed. People have never had it as good as you have it.
@angeltears87 The middle class in the west is growing at an exponential rate, there are fewer and fewer people engaging in manual labour and no clearly defined aristocracy exists. The number of people who take ownership of the means to production is at an all time high. How is this relevant?. You're just trying to escape the painful reality of you having an incredibly easy life.
@angeltears87 Why bring it up then? You were pretty much just splitting hairs because you realized I was right about you not knowing the meaning of oppression.
@angeltears87 How long is it gonna take to get through to you? Calling every counter argument a strawman doesn't make the argument go away, you have to address it directly.
Glenn Sacks gave some examples of mistreatment of men being endorsed. All you did was provide examples of women being mistreated as if that "disproved" it. Falsifying that logic IS NOT A STRAWMAN.
@angeltears87 I'm sure you'll grow up and see sense eventually, you'll see that men were just out to defend themselves and really had nothing against you.
I know you're profile says 23, but from the way you struggle to string together a coherent argument, and from the fact that you don't know what an ad hominum is, I'm going to say 16 tops.
Well if I can set the record straight with one angry teenager, it's a good days work.
@angeltears87 Holy fuck you're a graduate?! You don't even respond directly to what I say, you're intellectually dishonest and you play the hurt feelings card at the first sign of adversity?
What the fuck kind of bullshit degree did you graduate with?
@angeltears87 You know, if it wasn't for you bra-burners, we wouldn't be getting the short end of the stick all the time. It's people like you that make it OK for women to do whatever they want to us, but the second we stand up for ourselves, we're in the wrong. You say you want equality, but in reality, you want everything.
Usually when you "stand up for yourselves" it will be to the detriment of women such as ranting about false rape accusation as though it is a massive thing when the numbers are actually low.
Or people like angry harry who say it is only rape if there is violence.
Yes I will oppose that intellectually dishonest rubbish til the day I die. Deal with it :)
@angeltears87 u r not feminist? idc. you are a hore lol. n i as one of the sane creatures who has blood in my heart unlike water in yours, I will protect the world for the sake of sanity's existence. I will deal with it, I will kill you off at the very 1st only. dont worry, I will deal, I will get rid of hores like you, dont worry my little bich, I will make you pay, on the behalf of hell that you bring on my planet n created so much insanity :)
@sea6789 its too obvious lol. dont even bother to comment such an ignorant little hore like her. dont worry I will bring justice on the behalf of all those who had to suffer their insanities. For all the inhuman, insane and atrocious torture they committed despite being humans themselves. She will be in it dont worry, she is lol. I will try my best to stabilize this hell back to the peaceful world we call earth n restore all the needed justice
@JayantKumarZ I plan on starting a movement too. We need all the men who feel they're getting a bum deal in society, because one guy can't do it by themselves.
@sea6789 Such things need to be destroyed n not to be compromised with either. female: Give me the right to kill him society: you already have it lol MRA: WTF society: shhh take it! female: ahh nvm gimme the right to poke him w/ spears society:umm... yea sure MRA: WTF female: ahh fk u how dare you deny me. I am a "Lady" MRA: wtf -.- society: YEA!!!! SHES A LADY!!!!! *brings weapons for war* *everyone dies* *curtain falls* thank you? :D
I dont understand why u people waste time talking to karlsmith, no matter who or what she or it is it's irrilevant...tht person is a troll, dont feed it.
@akshunyob you like asians because they're submissive and have no thoughts of their own. you couldn't get a white woman with a job to go out with you if your life depended on it. that's because you're an ugly loser, and i bet you're unemployed.
btw i recommend a cambodian mail order bride. and find one that doesn't speak english. that's the only way you'll get a woman to not drop your ugly ass. you can even beat the shit out of her, and she wouldn't do a thing. that's what you really want.
okeydokey, people watch and learn, that is the proper way to deal with a troll (the feminist below). Dont let them provoce you and keep using logic,in the end they will leave.
It has been actually entertaining but now I have to go to work.
well back on topik: I kinda agree about the injustice of male bashing, Imo it would be usefull to gather a group of lawyers to sue the channels and the indivuals who are responsable for this irresponsable beahviour.
@Kenshiroit yes, i can back up the fact that the vast majority of children with autism, ADD, ADHD, and learning disabilities are males. that's a fact. about 90% of autism cases are boys.
what system, you whiny bitch? you want a "system" to help males not be losers? once again, males aren't responsible. you're responsible for your own lives and choices, so if you fail IT'S YOUR FAULT. get those 3 words through your skull.
@karlsmith00 since males are hit by disfunktions by majority, as you state, it means they are the ones that need more help. Because a large portion are disabilitated.
Anyways you failed to tell me the cause, what I asking you to back up scientifically was if the reasons you mention in your previous post is the cause to all those all those disabilities you mention...
@karlsmith00 I dont know if it is the state job to take care of stupid men. But it is the state job to ensure equal treatment to all the citicens and to ensure they get a proper education and help the one who are inabilited, this include also the victims of autism ect.
You mention some possible cause, so you admit they were the produce of your imagination?
@karlsmith00 "also the male mind is short circuiting with things like video games, too much junk food, etc. this is why most children with autism, learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD are overwhelmingly male" can you back up, computergames and junk food are between the cause of the disabilities you mention?
For the most-part, it's anti-straight-white male bashing on TV, especially commercials and sitcoms, if you're not gay, you're just a fat, beer-drinking doofus slob who can't do anything right.
For the most part however, it you're a black male, or a gay male and of course a women, then you have all the brains and common sense in the world and life is good.
DiAPERiDOL 4 days ago
Feminism is Nazism with tits.
bltsrmsqt 1 month ago
women bosses are garbabe.
bltsrmsqt 1 month ago
Not one youtube vid inspiring men to be better men - not masters, not slaves - strong conscientious adults. You pick rare cases and quote studies on college kids being equally as violent. Those are the ONLY studies showing eqaul hitting, not murder and grievous bodily harm. You are lying. REAL domestic violence happens when the woman has children. That's when she's vulnerable. WOmen are hearing all this mra shit & just backing away from men in droves. I hardly know any who want a man these days.
theplentysense 1 month ago
Why do you have to be a bad guy or a fool, WHy aren't there any men on youtube counselling men to be strong conscientious men. Why do you always think you have to be master or slave. Amy WInehouse was RUINED emotionally by her fathers 10 year affair when she was a child. He then ran off with the woman so Amy spent all those years hurting and yes she tried to numb it with drugs and booze. So many women destroyed by male selfishness.
theplentysense 1 month ago
The media is run by MEN not women.
theplentysense 1 month ago
I get pissed off with double-standards in the media too. I would say though, the Carrie Underwood music video isn't a great example. If you watch Justin Timberlake's video for Cry Me A River you see Justin breaking and entering into an ex's house, damaging property whilst singing about his anger at being dumped and his wish to make his ex cry, filming himself getting it on with someone else in her house and generally being a creepy stalker. Nobody seemed to mind that music video.
TwoTube2 1 month ago
Feminism, is the "equal and opposite reaction" towards chivalry. But both share misandry.
AndrewChan84 2 months ago
Maybe everybody hates men because men are "fuckers". Fuckers are destructive and anti authoritatrian therefore they have to be conscripted for war, die for women, bla bla. You know, like an expendable peice of shit.
How then does a man not be a "fucker"?
AndrewChan84 2 months ago
Chivalry and feminism both share misandry. Interesting. Everybody seems to hate men. Men hate men, and women hate men.
Something psychosexual is going on.
AndrewChan84 2 months ago
gtreat stuff but no one mentioned the betty broderick case. the feminazi's went to bat for her big time when she killed her husband and new bride after months of threats and harassment that the police all but ignored. if dan broderick had killed betty for leaving him for another man (as my older sister did to my ex brother in law) do you think the outcome would've been the same? even monsters like casey anthony and susan smith have only to say "i was molested" and the sympathy flows like water.
doucher9 4 months ago 4
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You are missing the point, My Socal back stabbing Daugther, is an Adult 19 y'o and a parent lives with HER boyfriend that she'll NEVER MARRY Just to help HER MOTHER collect CHILDSUPPORT. That is married and on welfare and on section 8 and working off the books for 4 years now. I GET A RED FLAG ON Income TAX's week , It doesn't make any sense.
I've been paying childsupport since 1993 (she was born in 1992) - Plus Extra, we're in 2011.
Is that fare?
Really, Is it Fare !!
smrfr 4 months ago
GOOGLE: boys are stupid, throw rocks at them + glenn sacks interview
The article will be in a site called standbyourground
jimbracewell1940 7 months ago 2
Does anyone know the where to find the CNBC debate Sacks had with the "boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" designer?
xTheDynastQueenx 7 months ago
Canada is filled with anti male garbage in almost all aspects of life. It is just disgusting the way society goes on when it comes to males...
GTCism 10 months ago
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@GTCism Canadians are tolerant of gays walking around naked, man-hating feminists chanting about hating men, every single deviant lifestyle, teens having sex and having bastard kids, multiculturalism, racist affirmative action.
Canadians don't really have any value on international level that why they lost the UNSC bid.
Plus, Canadian girls dress in the most sluttiest manner possible and do there best to promote all anti-male garbage in Canadian media and society.
TimeGod12 9 months ago
(Let's do it like MvC3)
Glenn Sacks: Much like the Fantastic Four, misandrists are nothing to me.
*Glenn Sacks defeats a team of three misandrists*
MISANDRY K.O.
MrDissidiaFan 10 months ago 3
Finally men are getting their balls back and learning how to stand up to women: MANHOOD101. COM
thenfm 1 year ago 4
"... I have questioned the basic premise of contemporary American feminism. For instance, I do not believe that women in American society are oppressed, or members of a subordinate class. It is no longer reasonable to say that as a group, women are worse off than men. The truth is that American women are among the freest in the world. And yet hearing me say that, there are women who wish to excommunicate me from my sex!" Christina Hoff Sommers
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago 20
@jimbracewell1940 I agree with this sentiment. In short, feminists are hypocrites.
YoungnRomantic 9 months ago
angeltears87
"I don't mind if men put effort into solving mens issues but to convince themselves they are oppressed is just absurd."
Men's issues ARE about Men's oppression. Are not Women's Issues about Women's Oppression? By the way, Men's Issues are about all Men not just white heterosexual men.
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago 11
@jimbracewell1940
Men are not oppressed. I have spoken to dozens, read hundreds of their blogs and websites. This gives me a good handle on what their ideas are.
If you want to think men are oppressed fine, I find it absurd.
I get anecdotal evidence is not statistically significant, however I am not trying to prove anything just providing my opinion.
Try to change it if you want.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@jimbracewell1940 I agree wit this 100 percent.
YoungnRomantic 9 months ago
@jimbracewell1940 hey hey dont bother back commenting this lil hore lol. ive seen her stupidity on oter vids too... dont bother this hore. 2ndly. I am in fully against this bullsh1t coz trust me I got blood just like you, haha don worry obviously unlike the water in the veins of feminists n bullsh1t like angel hores hehe. I just hope this bullsh1t ends. n dont worry, I'll try to bring justice to these fkers too, for over 60% of these reports are being just false accusations for pathetic reasons.
JayantKumarZ 7 months ago
angeltears87
"I have spoken to MRAs enough to know that men do indeed complain and MRAs seem mostly to be white heterosexual males."
How many MRAs have you spoken to and how do you know from your anecdotal evidence that they are WHMs. "MRAs seem mostly to be WHMs," is not statistically significant.
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago
angeltears87
"White heterosexual males (WHMs) are the least oppressed." Would that be in your town, in the US or in the World? Logically, to be the "least oppressed" WHMs would have to at least be a little oppressed. Thank you for that concession. How would you rank white heterosexual women?
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago
angeltears87
You are amazed because so few men actually complain. We are, by socialization, taught not to complain. You are simply not use to hearing or listening to men complain.
Your comment mirrors that of society. You and they simply don't want to hear it. Why do you suppose that is. It's those damn gender roles that women are allowed to complain about but that men are denied.
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago 3
@jimbracewell1940
Not at all. I am amazed because white heterosexual males are the least oppressed.
I have spoken to MRAs enough to know that men do indeed complain and MRAs seem mostly to be white heterosexual males.
I don't mind if men put effort into solving mens issues but to convince themselves they are oppressed is just absurd.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@jimbracewell1940
When I said least oppressed I meant they are not oppressed due to their race, sexuality or gender. They can however be oppressed due to their class. Men are not oppressed as men.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87
Ok, I get it. You don't know what you mean until someone questions your logic. In my opinion, your opinion of men is absurd, uninformed and heartless. You can make any denegrating remarks about men that you want and then, when challenged, take no responsibility for their veracity. In your own words," I am not trying to prove anything just providing my opinion." Enough said.
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago
@jimbracewell1940
No I know exactly what I mean. Whatever really. You think you are oppressed you should probably try to convince people rather then getting on your high horse.
Your movement is going to fail. Enough said.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@jimbracewell1940
Here is proof men aren't oppressed.
They still hold most of the major political positions. They still hold most of the wealth. Men still hold most of the high positions in business. Rape is still an excusable crime in society, terms like "grey rape" and "boys will be boys" are rampant. Men are still seen as more capable in almost every way and the bosses decisions about employment and jobs are based on this.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Oh so you're actually up for a genuine discussion now?
Men hold most of the wealth because men make up the largest part of the work force. Additionally men and women on average work in different sectors, men dominate sectors that pay more and require more sacrifices. This is through people's individual career choices. Not oppression.
Rape is never an excusable crime; nobody thinks that except you. Nobody convicted of rape is ever excused. They go to jail.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Men do dominate areas that pay more, but not necessarily require more sacrifice. There you go. Pay gap.
The point wasn't whether they got convicted or not but whether they had a career as glenn sacks stated he couldn't imagine that would occur. Tupacs music was and is still popular. Eminem makes millions upon millions.
When I have clarified my position quite clearly and you still cannot address it I start to doubt that you can speak english.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Men on average work more hours per week than women. Men work in more hazardous and unpleasant environments than women. Male graduates complete degrees that are in highest demand (engineering, law etc). That's why men are paid more.
So really your only problem with the statement is the technicality that some male musicians still have careers after committing violent crimes. Ok well that's true. Since you didn't address anything else I said, I'm going to assume you agree with it.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
You however missed my point. I was not trying to prove women are oppressed I was proving men aren't. There is a big difference. I just can't see how a rational person would see a group of people as oppressed when they hold the most wealth and political power. That is patently absurd.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 I'll say it again. Nobody in your rich ass country is oppressed, I'm not, neither are you. You have an extremely easy life which is completely free of hardship. Get over it.
This is a video about men's issues, you came on here feigning shock that a man was standing up for men's rights. My conclusion; whether you admit it or not, you have a problem with men standing up for men's rights. If you didn't you wouldn't be on here complaining in the first place.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I was presenting an argument for why men aren't oppressed to someone who believes they are. It isn't my fault you butt into other peoples conversations.
Yes I know you believe I have a problem with men defending their rights. That is why you kept trying to tell me what my arguments were and being incorrect about it.
If you spoke to people in an honest way perhaps your discussions would actually be fruitful.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Again, you're not addressing what I said. At what point was I dishonest? To my mind, one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do is ignore discourse that contradicts yours. The way you try to handle an argument is almost exactly the same is what creationist christians do: Hear no evidence, ignore all evidence. Then if that doesn't work; accuse your opponent of dishonesty.
The things you come out with are tired old arguments, refuted repeatedly in the past.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
In case you were too thick to notice I am trying to remove myself from this discussion as it is going nowhere.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 The loser in a debate is often the first to resort to outright insults.
You're right though, the discussion has reached it's end. It's probably time for you to retire from this debate with what little grace you can muster.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
since you called me "stupid" days ago, that must be you huh?
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Now there's a strawman. I said what you said was stupid.
Now that you seem to have nothing relevant to say; is it not time for you to leave?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Were you also claiming that what I was saying was 16 yrs old with a bullshit degree as well?
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 You're on the internet, I've never met you. I said that since your level of articulation, clarity and reading compression fell drastically short of what I know from my fellow graduates, it seemed that you might be a lot younger than you claim.
Then, assuming that you are a graduate, an extension of that logic leads to questions over how effective your education was.
Again, anything relevant to add before you leave us?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
"The loser in a debate is often the first to resort to outright insults."
That was you.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Is questioning the age of an anonymous stranger insulting to you?
This is getting way off topic now, why are you still here?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Your question was lacking a question mark, making it in fact a statement.
I am here because it is funny to watch you twist and turn, desperately trying to make yourself look good.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 None of my questions are missing question marks. All of my statements are meant to be statements. Again, reading comprehension is not your strong point. Trying to pick up on typos as if they're somehow going to undermine me is the lowest you've sunk so far. And the fact that you failed at that level is just plain embarrassing for you.
"Were you also claiming that what I was saying was 16 yrs old with a bullshit degree as well?" Doesn't make sense. I ignored that though.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
It was sarcasm. You stated that you were calling my statements stupid. Taking that into account I was asking if you were in fact calling my statements 16 yrs old and not me as well.
Your alleged questioning of my age and my degree sure are missing question marks.
You need to learn to get out when you are ahead. You have pretty much made yourself look like an idiot now.
On that note you are blocked and I won't be receiving any more messages from you. Farewell.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Ok so you were asking if I thought your statements were 16 years old? Well they did sound like they came from an angry teenager if that's what you're getting at.
They're missing question marks BECAUSE THEY ARE STATEMENTS.
Does that mean you wont be filling this space up with your angsty butthurt anymore?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84 I want real equality.
If you want me to do more of the housework then I want you to get off your ass and earn a salary like I do.
If you want me to put the toilet seat down when I am done using it then I expect you to put it back up when you are done.
If you yell at me for no apparent reason I am going to yell back, (PMS is not an excuse to me).
If I pay for dinner at a restaurant one night, I expect you to pick up the tab the next time we go out.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago 26
@ManSpeakOut Dude, I'm a heterosexual male that earns a salary, lives with a female that earns a salary and does some but not all of the housework. Why are you telling me this?
And I'm not going to dinner with you, regardless of who pays the bill.
mrjimbles84 11 months ago
@mrjimbles84 Woah woah woah, hold the breaks there.
You must of been miles off what what I meant with my previous comment.
All of those things are mentioned I expect from a woman, not a man.
I am heterosexual, not gay.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@ManSpeakOut Lol don't post it as a reply to me then.
mrjimbles84 11 months ago
@mrjimbles84 I posted it in agreement to what you said earlier.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago
@ManSpeakOut I agree with this 100 %.
YoungnRomantic 9 months ago
@angeltears87 i cant believe the limit of insanity your brain hasnt crossed yet. I wont even put you in prison lol you will start killing others n when you fail you will kill your own ass n just cause smell. best to dispose you. literally i mean. i am serious like hell n i will make you pay for this hell. mock off for no cause you can just put me in jail for any fake accusation lol but dont worry. I dont store anger, I store hatred, oops sorry i forgot you cant understand the difference b/w them
JayantKumarZ 7 months ago
@JayantKumarZ
Can you try to make sense if you want to convey something to me, because this is uncomprehensible rantings.
angeltears87 7 months ago
@mrjimbles84 You also forgot to mention the fact that men much more often then women stop climbing the corporate ladder to have and raise children.
Women like angeltears87 complain why there is few women at the top of the ladder but are just fine that there is also few women at the very bottom. I never take these kinds of people seriously, they only fight for equality for women at only the places where its of benefit to them.
ManSpeakOut 11 months ago 2
@ManSpeakOut Finally somebody gets it. I've been saying this for years.
YoungnRomantic 9 months ago
@angeltears87
Once again, in your own words," I am not trying to prove anything just providing my opinion." Now you contradict yourself and state, "Here is proof men aren't oppressed." Which quote am I to believe? In my opinion you are not interested in a civil discussion so I chose to remain on my "high horse."
jimbracewell1940 1 year ago
@jimbracewell1940
can't refute it huh?
angeltears87 1 year ago
always amazes me when heterosexual white men complain...
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Yeah cause we just have it so good nowadays.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
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@mrjimbles84
Pretty much yeah.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
you sure do.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Troll or just really fucking stupid, I'm not sure.
So according to your logic you have to be atleast one of; female, gay or an ethnic minority in order to complain? Oops, that makes you a racist, a sexist and heterophobe at the same time.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
As I stated quite clearly
"I don't mind if men put effort into solving men''s issues"
Be gone strawman
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 It's not a strawman, it's what you said. You said you were surprised at white men complaining about things. So by implication you believe that being white, male and straight voids the necessity of their complaint. Or you think that there is really nothing for them to complain about, which is not a position I find easy to defend.
So how are they to "put effort into" solving the problems men face today without first speaking up, oh arbiter of of societal morality?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
It is actually not what I said, as already stated. My puzzlement about heterosexual white men complaining was them complaining as though they are oppressed which is not the case.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 It is exactly what you said. Word for word.
Ok so it's the second of the positions that you hold, did you actually watch the video? Or did you just get really mad about the prospect of men standing up for men now?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I clarified what I meant by that statement and you continue to cling onto your incorrect interpretation of it, this puzzles me.
I watched it. Nor am i mad at the idea of men caring about men's issues as you insinuate.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Well you're not clarifying very well my dear. So you're not mad about men complaining, but they're not allowed to complain "like they're oppressed", but at the same time you're surprised about them complaining, but you don't mind them standing up for themselves, but they're not allowed to seem oppressed, but they can't complain because they have it so good?
I think what has happened here is that you said something monumentally stupid, and you're trying to get away from it.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Ok. Here is my position as clear as I can make it.
I don't mind if men complain, I think societal progress is good and I would encourage all people to defend their rights and try to raise their standard of living.
I still don't really mind that much when men complain that they are oppressed as men, I however find it puzzling as it isn't true.
If you still don't understand or try to strawman, well I guess we have reached the end of what could have been a good discussion.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Ok, that position is simply not consistent with what you have said though.
With regards to men claiming to be oppressed, I don't remember that choice of phrase appearing in the video. So I don't understand why it's relevant here. Genuine oppression is something you wont find in abundance in modern, liberal democracies. The issue for discussion here is that genuine injustices against men are widespread in western society and are tolerated and in some cases encouraged.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
It sure is consistent, you are just interpreting it wrong, but we can leave that there.
I am familiar with Glen Sacks and his work and he does claim men are oppressed.
alot of the stuff in this video is absurd and not even indicative of any injustice against men.
We sure do find oppression in the west. Women, Gays, Blacks.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 You've contradicted yourself several times.
Glenn Sacks never uses the term "men are oppressed" because that's not what he thinks. You seem to struggle with the very basic concepts of proper articulation.
So if what you call oppression happens to women, homosexuals and ethnic minorities (not just blacks), then why does it not happen to us?
It does happen to men, we're not immune from it. You're trying to downplay it and I don't see why, what have you got to gain from this?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I didn't contradict myself in the slightest.
I never tried to downplay anything.
Men are not oppressed, the same as white people are not oppressed. They are not the iniators of oppression but they benfit from it in some ways.
Your constant use of insults and other shaming language rather then just discussing this issue as adults is becoming a little tedious for me.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Chris Brown beat his girfriend and it was all over the news, he was publicly chastised for what he did. And rightly so. When Amy Winehouse Publicly brags about the same behaviour, it goes on print, and nobody bats an eyelid. THAT's where the problem lies.
So you can present counter examples where the gender roles are reversed, that "disproves" the whole point of the video? It's not like men abusing women cancels out women abusing men, that's not how it works sweety.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Do you need more examples proving him wrong?
Eminem sings constantly about abusing and murdering women. He has a lucrative career.
tupac was convicted of sexual assault. He still had a lucrative career.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 So does that make it just fine and dandy that the same things happen to men? Nope, they're both wrong. Once again, it's not like they cancel out.
And when somebody speaks up about it on the mens' side, they're not wrong simply because the same things can happen to women. And it doesn't warrant a massive backlash from angry teenage girls for same reasons.
Now if you don't like being insulted, don't post stupid shit on a site where people can respond in public.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
For example he states he can't imagine a man having a singing career if he said he would beat his girlfriend up. However chris brown actually did beat his girlfriend up and still has a lucrative singing career. His assertions are pretty much rubbish. not because he is talking about men's rights but because he is actually talking rubbish...
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Chris Brown doesn't have a career any more, nobody likes him. Next.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I gave you next, tupac and eminem. Although I don't agree about chris brown. I still hear his music on the radio as much as I ever did.
Sorry I can't be bothered with people who really think shaming language is a rational way to debate. Grow up. Seeya
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Lol ok then, accuse me of being insulting then insult me. Great way to take the moral high ground. Somehow I'm not buying it.
You came onto a video about men, posted a load of illogical nonsense that got publicly rebuked, surprised? Then you got pissy about it and refused to continue the debate. So now your running away from the fight.
You're right, once you've exhausted every ad hominem in the book and failed, it's probably time for you to leave, now get the fuck out.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Not the moral ground. Simply why use language designed to make the other person feel bad just for the sake of it? We could have had a nice discussion.
You were unable to prove any of what I have stated was nonsense. I do not mind disagreement in fact I welcome debate, I find it fun. Just not when the other person is being nasty. Adhominem? I did not use that logical fallacy once. Where as you are happy strawmanning away constantly.
You are not a fun fellow to talk to.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 So you had to look up what an ad hominem is then.
Didn't strawman once, I just reiterated the kind of crap you were talking in plain english. If you don't like people taking implications form what you say, then be a lot more concise about what you mean. And it doesn't count if you come back ages later and claim the other person misunderstood you.
Aw did I hurt your feelings?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I am however not surpised by your underhanded apolitical tactics. It is a common trait amongst all MRAs I have encountered and is even encouraged within the "movement" of the MRA.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Lol you're back. I thought you were way above this shit. Couldn't resist getting another word in?
From that I make the following deduction, u mad.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Admittedly I was briefly. I got over it.
However it is hardly strange for people to get angry when people swear at them.
Give me a buzz if you ever want to talk without the boring shaming language. Otherwise good luck with the MRM, personally I think it is doomed to fail, but I have been wrong before.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 If you get upset about internet arguments then you shouldn't be allowed on the internet, it's a rough place and people don't pull any pieces.
The MRM wont fail, if you're vocal enough and get enough like minded people on side, you change people's attitudes, and that's how you get shit done. It worked for feminism, it will work for us too.
People like you that are against it getting all up and pissy about just shows that we're making progress, and that worries you.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Yeah MRAs accuse me of that a lot. I hate the anti-gay, anti-woman agenda of the MRA. However there are many more influential conservative movements. MRA is largely nonexistent. It is actually completely non existent in Australia where I live. So worried, whatever for?
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 This is really sad, you've been raised in a culture that has given you a gross sense of entitlement. So suddenly when a movement arises that stands up for men it's "anti-women" and "anti-gay". Admittedly there are men in the movement that are really pissed off and use it as an excuse to be sexist, don't worry though we try and filter them out. And it's not like there wasn't an abundance of bitches like that in feminism.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Not at all, The fact that MRAs who have never bother to listen to what my politics actually are call me a "cunt" and feel justified doing so shows me that it is anti-woman. I have never viewed any sort of "filtering out" more like high fives and support. Referring to same sex marriage as "goodies" rather then rights also gives them away there.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 So because somebody calls you a cunt you think you're justified in this bullshit. And because they call you a cunt they're anti-woman? Are you all women? I call guys cunts all the time, doesn't mean anything sexist, just means I don't like them
Have you ever called a guy a dick? I willing to bet that you have, it's the same thing. And if you have and think that's not sexist but calling a girl a cunt is, you're a hypocrite.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
There is much more to it then that. The fact that most would love to see traditional families reinstated with the man in the dominant role makes it anti-woman also. The fact that most believe that women aren't as capable in careers makes it anti-woman. The fact that they think women are less academic then men, makes it anti-woman. Calling me a cunt just puts all of that into one neat word for them.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 So they insult you and it means all these things at the same time? Holy fuck you have an ego on you. You would have to be incredibly weak minded to get insulted on youtube and think that's representative of millions of men around the world.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
It wasn't on youtube. Nor did I say it had anything to do with men. I said it was the politics of the men's rights movement. Lol can you ever respond without a strawman?
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 The men's rights movement is millions of men worldwide. I think what's happened is that you got trolled by some kids who just wanted to piss you off for pure shits and giggles, well it worked didn't it?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I did not get upset about it. It merely made me see the MRM as pathetic and apolitical. All the "popular" youtube MRAs echo the same sentiments. Are they all trolls too? Let go. That argument sucks.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Well I watch a lot of them regularly too, and I've never come across anything anti-gay, may be some anti-women stuff but her there are a lot of loonies out there.
It all comes down to you having a problem with men standing up to the bullshit in society. And you trying to derail the discussion is just another example of that very same brand of bullshit.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
The MRA at its core is anti-woman. It is very traditional family oriented.
Pinegrove for example is anti-gay. He states that wanting same sex marriage is wanting "goodies".
I derailed nothing. I was responding to your accusations.
Like I said I have no problem with people defending their rights. You spend too much time insulting me and trying to upset me so you can feel superior to actual give me any reason to think the MRA is anything but sexist and homophobic
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Family orientated =/= anti women.
Really it's not that hard to figure this out . I'm not trying to piss you off, you're doing a perfectly fine job of doing that yourself. Calling the MRA sexist and homophobic probably seems like an easy way to demean it's credibility, but people aren't that stupid, which is why nobody is buying your crap. Your genuinely on a lonely margin with your ideas, the mens rights movement is huge, and growing still. With more and more women joining.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
traditional family oriented was the statement. And yup it sure does. Wanting to put women in a submissive position is pure bigotry and I will not support that, whatever you say.
Demean its credibility? I think the MRA does a good job of that itself. It is highly hypocritical to boot.
As I said, there is no MRA here.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I did not get upset about it. It merely made me see the MRM as pathetic and apolitical. All the "popular" youtube MRAs echo the same sentiments. Are they all trolls too? Let go. That argument sucks. The fact you think "some kids" made a MRA blog, spent years on it, got involved in the MRA blogosphere, just so they could turn around and try to piss me off is ludicrous.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 The men's rights movement is millions of men worldwide. Oh and not to mention a lot of women too. I think what's happened is that you got trolled by some kids who just wanted to piss you off for pure shits and giggles, well it worked didn't it?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@angeltears87
Like a beekeeper stung by bees many times I have become immune to your insults. Keep trying though it is amusing if nothing else watching you try to bash a hole in my ego so you can pat yourself on the back and say "aren't I a good MRA, I upset someone today because they didn't agree with my political opinion".
angeltears87 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
When I have been to a MRA blog linking to my blog with an article following encouraging MRAs to harress me and insult me to make me shut up and go away. Then he accordingly visits my blog and calls me a cunt. I really struggle to see how I could interpret that in anyway other then he is using a slur against me to attempt to shame me and upset me.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Have you ever heard of such a thing as a troll? I'm guessing your fairly new to the internet.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Been on here since the beginning. He is a fairly well respected member of the MRA blogosphere so there goes your "he is just a troll" loophole and also "we filter them out" loop hole as well.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Well maybe you were just saying the same rediculous shit that got you publicly slated here. I mean it's hard not to get a little antsy about it. Fuck, I'm holding it back right now.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
If you want. However you have not provided me any reason to think I am wrong. You fail as an activist it seems.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 There's another ad hominum right there. I gave you plenty of reasons why the video was justified, you tried to argue in an ineffective way, then got pissy when it didn't work. And you're still at it.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Sorry I was annoyed that you were using shaming language like "sweety" and "my, dear". When I am an adult and your equal and it derails the debate. Not to mention it is seriously lacking in maturity.
my argument still stands. I showed his assertion to be wrong, using tupac, eminem and chris brown. You can think you smashed the argument if you desire, it however remains compeling to me, whatever you may think.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Well if you post stupid shit on the internet, people will treat you like an idiot. It's not like real life, people wont pull punches to save your feelings.
I picked your logic apart pretty quickly, but you went straight for the hurt feelings card and you never really responded to anything. Feel free to read back a few pages and see what you can come up with, that's if you're actually interested in getting a debate going, rather than just playing butthurt.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
My feelings were not hurt in the slightest. I just get a bit fed up with it and find that arguing with people who use that debating tactic is largely ineffectual. So generally I bow out.
Please provide evidence anything I stated was "stupid shit". You have been unable to address my argument in the slightest except to call it "shit"
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 It's not about evidence, the evidence is in the video. What I did was point out that your logic didn't work. Apparently that makes for a strawman these days.
So far you've not been able to "disprove" that men are mistreated, all you've done is tried to hijack the discussion on men's rights.
The fact of the matter is that in the wealthy liberal democracies that we live in, nobody is oppressed. If you genuinely want to see women being oppressed, go to Afghanistan.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Again I never stated that providing examples of women being mistreated disproves men are mistreated. Give up your strawman.
I proved that a man wouldn't necessarily lose his singing career if he threatened to abuse a woman, as Glenn sacks clearly stated.
I don't agree that american/australian democracy is left wing in the slightest. I don't agreee with your definition of oppression either
If you want me to stop accusing you of making a strawman argument, stop making them.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Poking holes in your logic is not a strawman. If you don't like your assertions being open to scrutiny, be a lot more explicit. Taking an implication from what you say is not a strawman.
I never said anything about either of those countries being left wing. Go and look up liberal and democracy, both words are relevant here.
Chris Brown went to jail, Amy Winehouse didn't, see where this is going?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I did not imply men are not mistreated and stated several times this was not what I meant. You ignored it. That is a strawman.
Amy winehouse not going to gaol is irrelevant. She did nothing to warrant that.
liberal usually means left wing in terms of politics.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Not before I pulled your whole statement apart, and then you came running back to correct my "misinterpretation" of what you said. Learn to articulate your thoughts properly.
Amy Winehouse not going to jail is very relevant. How could it not be? She did exactly the same thing as Chris Brown, she attacked an intimate partner. That's assault and it should be treated in the same way.
Go and look up what liberal means, it lies on a different axis of the political spectrum.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
You didn't pull apart my statement at all. I proved that what he said is wrong. you misinterpreted what I said. when I corrected you. You reasserted the misinterpretation. now you are reasserting it yet again.
I don't think men aren't mistreated. I was never saying men aren't mistreated.
I can't be anymore clear. My statement still stands and it still proves Sacks wrong however many times you say "I pulled it apart".
Intellectual dishonesty is a MRAs bread and butter.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 You're really struggling now aren't you? You barely addressed what I just said. That seems to be a recurring theme
You said something stupid and wrong, I took it to it's logical conclusion to prove the fallacy to be present. Now you keep coming back saying you meant something different by it. If you meant something different, you should have said something different.
I actually accused you of intellectual dishonesty several posts ago, are you running out of things to say now?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I said from the start that Glenn sacks was wrong where he said "I doubt a man would keep his singing career".
You just chuck stuff in because you can't address my actual argument.
Your lies are becoming tedious.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 I proved that wrong, Chris Brown went to jail, then rehab. Now his career and reputation are in tatters. What do you think would happen if he went on a national publication and bragged about it?
I've been addressing your argument right form the get go. All that you come back with is "OMG STRAWMAN!". Talk about tedious?
Oh so now I'm lying? Where did I lie. And apparently I'm the one that's disrespectful.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
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angeltears87 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
You lie constantly about my position no matter how many times I correct you. I am not going to defend an argument I didn't present so calling it a strawman is all I can do.
Eminem
Tupac
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Every time you come out with one of these "corrections" of yours, I deal with it directly. Then you either shout strawman, or completely ignore it and move onto something else.
When Eminem comes out with an album, all the people that got offended by it line the streets in protest.
Tupac's dead. And anyway he was conficted wasn't he? Not to mention that his career was about 20 years ago.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I accept that I am not always clear with 500 characters or less to work with, but once I clarify my position and you continue to assert the same thing over and over. Well all I can do is assume you are purposefully misrepresenting my argument because you can't respond.
I agree that men can be mistreated and you are attempting to convince me I am wrong. I really doubt I am the stupid one here...
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Again, i repeatedly address your "clarifications" directly and nothing seems to come of it.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
There are degrees of oppression. Your black and white thinking is doomed to be incorrect.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Go and look up the meaning of oppression. Then if you still don't understand come out to Afghan with an infantry battalion and have a look at what oppressed people have to go through. Listening to a bunch of fucking students from the richest parts of the world even using the word is sickening.
You come from a wealthy, middle-class dominated, liberal democracy. You are not oppressed, you have never been oppressed. People have never had it as good as you have it.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
Dominated by the working class actually. You buy into the lies your country feeds you obviously.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 The middle class in the west is growing at an exponential rate, there are fewer and fewer people engaging in manual labour and no clearly defined aristocracy exists. The number of people who take ownership of the means to production is at an all time high. How is this relevant?. You're just trying to escape the painful reality of you having an incredibly easy life.
It's like you're living back in the fucking 80s.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
My political views have nothing to do with my own life.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Why bring it up then? You were pretty much just splitting hairs because you realized I was right about you not knowing the meaning of oppression.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
If you want my response to your last strawman of...
"So does that make it just fine and dandy that the same things happen to men?"
I will say I never said that and you assumed that I did and proceeded to tear down an argument I never made and declare victory.
What I actually said was in response to Glenn Sacks saying...
"I have a hard time believing a guy...you know a singer...male singer...could still perform...still have a career".
I demonstrated this was false.
You lose.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 How long is it gonna take to get through to you? Calling every counter argument a strawman doesn't make the argument go away, you have to address it directly.
Glenn Sacks gave some examples of mistreatment of men being endorsed. All you did was provide examples of women being mistreated as if that "disproved" it. Falsifying that logic IS NOT A STRAWMAN.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
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angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 I'm sure you'll grow up and see sense eventually, you'll see that men were just out to defend themselves and really had nothing against you.
I know you're profile says 23, but from the way you struggle to string together a coherent argument, and from the fact that you don't know what an ad hominum is, I'm going to say 16 tops.
Well if I can set the record straight with one angry teenager, it's a good days work.
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
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angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Holy fuck you're a graduate?! You don't even respond directly to what I say, you're intellectually dishonest and you play the hurt feelings card at the first sign of adversity?
What the fuck kind of bullshit degree did you graduate with?
mrjimbles84 1 year ago
@mrjimbles84
I just graduated from university actually. Whatever makes you feel better though.
I struggle to believe a group of people who band together to call me a cunt have nothing against me.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 You know, if it wasn't for you bra-burners, we wouldn't be getting the short end of the stick all the time. It's people like you that make it OK for women to do whatever they want to us, but the second we stand up for ourselves, we're in the wrong. You say you want equality, but in reality, you want everything.
sea6789 7 months ago
@sea6789
I am not a feminist lol....
Usually when you "stand up for yourselves" it will be to the detriment of women such as ranting about false rape accusation as though it is a massive thing when the numbers are actually low.
Or people like angry harry who say it is only rape if there is violence.
Yes I will oppose that intellectually dishonest rubbish til the day I die. Deal with it :)
angeltears87 7 months ago
@angeltears87 u r not feminist? idc. you are a hore lol. n i as one of the sane creatures who has blood in my heart unlike water in yours, I will protect the world for the sake of sanity's existence. I will deal with it, I will kill you off at the very 1st only. dont worry, I will deal, I will get rid of hores like you, dont worry my little bich, I will make you pay, on the behalf of hell that you bring on my planet n created so much insanity :)
JayantKumarZ 7 months ago
@sea6789 its too obvious lol. dont even bother to comment such an ignorant little hore like her. dont worry I will bring justice on the behalf of all those who had to suffer their insanities. For all the inhuman, insane and atrocious torture they committed despite being humans themselves. She will be in it dont worry, she is lol. I will try my best to stabilize this hell back to the peaceful world we call earth n restore all the needed justice
JayantKumarZ 7 months ago
@JayantKumarZ I plan on starting a movement too. We need all the men who feel they're getting a bum deal in society, because one guy can't do it by themselves.
sea6789 7 months ago
JayantKumarZ 7 months ago
i support this movement very much and i think anyone who understands the reality of the world should
themaniusedtob 1 year ago 2
I dont understand why u people waste time talking to karlsmith, no matter who or what she or it is it's irrilevant...tht person is a troll, dont feed it.
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@akshunyob you like asians because they're submissive and have no thoughts of their own. you couldn't get a white woman with a job to go out with you if your life depended on it. that's because you're an ugly loser, and i bet you're unemployed.
btw i recommend a cambodian mail order bride. and find one that doesn't speak english. that's the only way you'll get a woman to not drop your ugly ass. you can even beat the shit out of her, and she wouldn't do a thing. that's what you really want.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 Yes always the same rhetoric with these bitter woman.
raystinger101 1 year ago
@raystinger101 same rhetoric? bitter?
i'm not bitter, i'm just telling the truth. most males aren't familiar with it, that's why it sounds strange to you.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 You are very bitter, so busy telling others what they are, you forgot what you are.
raystinger101 1 year ago
@akshunyob no just feminism...
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
okeydokey, people watch and learn, that is the proper way to deal with a troll (the feminist below). Dont let them provoce you and keep using logic,in the end they will leave.
It has been actually entertaining but now I have to go to work.
Have a nice day :-D
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
well back on topik: I kinda agree about the injustice of male bashing, Imo it would be usefull to gather a group of lawyers to sue the channels and the indivuals who are responsable for this irresponsable beahviour.
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
good vids, we need more like this :-)
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@Kenshiroit yes, i can back up the fact that the vast majority of children with autism, ADD, ADHD, and learning disabilities are males. that's a fact. about 90% of autism cases are boys.
what system, you whiny bitch? you want a "system" to help males not be losers? once again, males aren't responsible. you're responsible for your own lives and choices, so if you fail IT'S YOUR FAULT. get those 3 words through your skull.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 since males are hit by disfunktions by majority, as you state, it means they are the ones that need more help. Because a large portion are disabilitated.
Anyways you failed to tell me the cause, what I asking you to back up scientifically was if the reasons you mention in your previous post is the cause to all those all those disabilities you mention...
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@Kenshiroit IT'S NOT THE STATE'S JOB TO TAKE CARE OF STUPID MEN. in america we don't expect the government to step in and help losers.
the cause? well, doctors are studying that right now. what's the cause of cancer?
karlsmith00 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 I dont know if it is the state job to take care of stupid men. But it is the state job to ensure equal treatment to all the citicens and to ensure they get a proper education and help the one who are inabilited, this include also the victims of autism ect.
You mention some possible cause, so you admit they were the produce of your imagination?
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@Kenshiroit no dumb bitch. i didn't imagine that 90% of children with autism are boys. i can't waste my time on stupid males anymore.
karlsmith00 1 year ago
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@karlsmith00 "also the male mind is short circuiting with things like video games, too much junk food, etc. this is why most children with autism, learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD are overwhelmingly male" can you back up, computergames and junk food are between the cause of the disabilities you mention?
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@karlsmith00
I'm autistic and I sure as HELL ain't stupid. Autists simply think in a different way than the average person does.
EvilUrago 1 year ago