Love this! I've been trying to find out more about the Doctor's time on Gallifrey, but it's not like I've got enough money to buy every single episode (the prices the beeb charge for the DVDs seem a bit extortionate) .:( I've got some of the New Who and a few of the old episodes; which ones did you use here? The video itself is really helpful (it excludes all of the Virgin New Adventures, audioplays etc. =D ) Hope you do another one with all the other bits you know!
I'm going to show this to a friend who I'm trying to in'doctor'trinate into Dr who.
But she thinks who is too complicated! But this video explains it quite well! (Well the doctor at least!)
Also I believe that there is now cannon from the new series that the doctor stole the tardis from a museum (or it stole him) Anyway a great video, like all the other fantastic ones!
I'd like to see one done on the master or maybe the time lords in general, I know theres
The book Lungbarrow gives away so much of who he is-and for those trying to follow a canon it would be accurate. One of the last eps with the 7th Doctor is called Ghost Light. In reality the book I just mentioned was going to be that episode-but the scriptwriters felt it revealed too much so they replaced it with Ghost Light.
I'm really trying to piece together info about this character...just got into the series and needless to say I'm confused out of my mind. Reading various wiki links is also proving to be confusing - there's so much info out there!
@LouisTrapani Check Tardis.Wikia. His mother was a human, she was called Penelope, and his father Uselyss. He later remarried with a Time Lady, changed his name and started living on earth as a teacher.
That whole "Doctor? Doctor Who?" jjoke goes right back to the first episode! I think that maybe the Doctor WAS part human at one time, but reality changed and now he isn't. Or something.
the doctor was only half human in his 8th regeneration. because in Journey's End it shows the half Doctor, Half human and he's only got one heart. so there
For the longest time I thought The Doctor might really be Rassilon hiding (in plain sight) from The Time Lords.
Then we finally got to meet Rassilon (I don't count The Five Doctors because it was never proven that was really Rassilon or just a computer generated image).
In several Tom Baker episodes, he said he choose this tardis because it had a full laboratory, whereas newer models didn't. I also seem to remember from a John Pertwee episode it was in the dry dock (scrapyard) because the chameleon circuit was faulty, which eventually stuck in the tardis in the police box shape, shortly after he came to earth. Anybody remember this far back. It under dispute on the dr. who wiki pages.
It must've been quite some lot of work to gather all these little hints as they're all over the series. He doesn't talk very much of his life back on Gallifrey...
I'd add the bits from "The Doctor's Daughter" where he mentions his previous Children and the scene on blink where he says he's "rubbish at wedings", and oh, didn't Susan mention that she was born in the 49th Century in some version of the 1st episode? That sure helps to pin down the Doctor's home era.
no I don't think he half human, not at all, sorry but the film never did it for me, although I think Paul would have made a great Doctor given the new scripts
@buffykidd1971 I actually liked the film, safe for the half human part. It contradicts all that came afterwards and before. I think it was all just a lie to trick the Master.
don't you realise. There was this thing on doctor who night in 1999 or whatever when this scientist talked about how the doctor regenerated. apparently, the human cells would cause his regenerative ability to mutate and last forever instead of just 13 bodies
Brilliant video! And I completely agree with everyone, the Doctor is NOT half human. I think the people who made that movie really had no idea what Doctor Who was meant to be. Shame really, because Mcgann was pretty good as the Doctor in the audio series.
Just for note, if you read the book of the movie with the 8th Doctor in, he's discribed as being Half-Human due to the fact they tried transfusing blood into him in the hospital when reviving him before the regeneration took control...
he was only half human for that regeneration, 8th, due to the human blood that was in his system during the regeneration, once he regenerated back into the 9th Doctor (Eccleson), he was back to being full Gallifreyan
I think I read somehwere that the Doctor is supposed to be a reincarnation of one of the three founders of Timelord society (Rassilon being one, and Omega the other) whose name was forgotten by history and just became known as "the other".
Doctor Who history and background is hard to come accross because its awkward to judge what is canon.
It is however jumbled enough that anyone can bodge together something interesting.
@Giradius That was from the Cartmel Masterplan during the seventh Doctor's era. The story goes something like that after Omega died, Rassilon became a bit corrupt (like how he was in 'The End of Time') and ordered The Other to be killed. To foil that plan, The Other jumped into the loom (where Gallifreyans are born) and many years later he became re-incarnated as The Doctor. It's all in the book 'Lungbarrow' by Marc Platt, but it's canonicity is debatable
I would personally reject it, Lungbarrow doesn't sound like a Gallyfreyan name, and i don't like the idea that Gallyfreyans are essentially clones (or that Pythia stuff with curses and what not).
I think all the "other" stuff is just an attempt to make the Doctor more than JUST a timelord..but what wrong with being a timelord?
The Doctor is special enough just through his attitudes and his nature without needing to make him a founder of timelord society.
@Giradius Well that's partially why JN-T rejected the whole 'Lungbarrow' story pitch. The whole idea was to try and inject more mystery into who the Doctor is and play up the whole "Doctor who?" angle, but what they were doing was actually going in the opposite direction. It's interesting that some bits of Lungbarrow did make it into Ghost Light, or at least that's the rumor. Besides it taking place in a house, I can't really see the similarities lol
@Giradius I think the 1996 movie is considered cannon only as far as that Sylvester McCoy was shot, and regenerated into his eight incarnation. All specific details are otherwise non-cannon.
@IRISHREM1234 it's completely up to the bbc what is cannon. But to there credit they stay out of the way. Both moffat and davis say to fans do not even try. It's just best to make up your own (based around the show, books, audio plays,etc.) because the show is based on time travel you can technically never be wrong and it's a whole lot more awesome that way
I do recall the Eighth Doctor saying at one point in a book or an audio that he had used a half-broken chameleon arch and something else to fool the Master into thinking he was part human.
Could it not be possible that the Doctor was joking, as the real secret was a little worse than that? As to why the master says it, perhaps it's seen as being the lowest thing imaginable on Gallifrey, and he's trying to sound impressive-after all, the Doctor's not happy to have a half human body in Journey's End...
Yeah, the whole new series seems to have glossed over this fact, even to the point of clearing him of that in the last episode of Season 4... I would take that as canon, as I have a hard time thinking of him as half human.
Right first off brilliant work and I reckon it should be part of the national curriculum it's so good.
To all those who think that the doctor isn't half human. Think how it would affect him, it'd make him interested in humans for a start, it'd make him more than just a timelord and the mystery might be is he jesus the other man with one name who was reborn, I'm just saying that maybe you should look into the implications of a half human doctor, rather than simply dismiss the possibility.
Ah, that sounds similiar to the Cartmel Masterplan; when it was going to reveal that The Doctor was in fact the reincarnation of The Other, one of the three founding members of the Time-Lord race
yeah this was what the 27th season was about. before it was cancelled a whole season was lined up that would have ace go to gallifrey and become a time lady by entering the prydonian academy. the doctor and ace would learn more about the doctor than they knew
As much as I love "Every Story", "Ten Doctors", "Foot Tapper'" and all the others... this might be your best video. Really does what it says on the tin. 5 Stars.
Maybe one of the character points of the Eighth Doctor (that would have been expanded on if the movie would have became a series) was that he lied from time to time? Hence the 'half human' remark?
Are you suggesting that the Doctor became half human when he regenerated? If you are thats absurd as theres no evidence to suggest such a thing occurring. The Tenth Doctor becomes human with the aid of a chameleon arch that rewrites his biology to human from timelord whereas the doctor merely regenerates in the movie. It's good you brought up the amnesia which meant he could of he said he was human out of confusion or merely to deceive the master.
He might have got Grace with that genetic transfer thing he got Martha with in Smith and Jones. He must have been thinking VERY quickly but that's the Doctor for you. Makes the Master look a bit of a boob though but again that's the Doctor for you.
Aye hes not half human. Timelord and human procreation is debunked in one of the eight doctor books suggesting its an impossibility. The tenth Doctor also makes it clear hes not human.
Read the second part. Throughout the series the doctor has repeatedly stated hes not human and the tenth doctor in Journey's end effectively puts an end to the speculation. He states that the copy of himself created is half human and cannot regenerate while he is a timelord and can.
Doesn't mean Eight wasn't human. Remember Eight was the one with shit-loads of memory loss and amnesia. It's possible he was half-human during that incarnation only - maybe he just forgot afterwards. Plus the half-human Doc in "Journey" was created via a hand, whereas there's no hand and therefore it's a different process in "TV Movie".
personally from my memory of the TV movie I thought that the Doctor said it merely to confuse matters for the Master. He was looking into Grace's eyes and the Master was looking out through the Doctor's eyes and that's how he tricked the Master into believing he was half human.
The reason he was half human in the movie was because it was made in America and for some reason Americans have an obsession for half humans or they can't appreciate aliens being good guys.
Left out: his presidency of Gallifrey, his life as Merlin, his life as the Valeyard, his physiognimy, his favorite foods and beverages (fave foods vary with jelly babies being the most visible, fave beverage is ginger beer).
in Doctor Who: The Forgotten comic, which was 10th Doctor having stories about past incarnations, 8th Doctor tells one person that he lied about the half-human part to fool his enemy
hey babelcolour, are you going to do more Fact Files for the other characters? Also, what serials are the scenes with the Third and Fourth Doctor imprisoned in a cell from?
Ok, so if all the comments are consistant, other people found out he was half-human, thought less of him and was even looked down by his own family. Does that sound about right?
Possibly, it would explain why the character's always been such a wild card. But the whole "half human" thing has always been a bit contentious amoungst fans. It's possible that the eighth Doctor AND ONLY the eighth Doctor was half human, or it could have been a lie to manipulate others. The half human thing seemed to have been thrown out of the window in "Journey's End" but then again perhaps the line in question in JE was a remark about physiology rather than ancestory.
yeeeeh okay, he COULD have meant "I'm half human that's disgusting" in the sense of he had 50% human organs ect rather than contradicting the telemovie. Still I prefer the 8th Doctor being the only time he was ever half human explanation myself. It's possible that the 7th Doctor had a blood transfusion from a female Donor hence "on my mother's side" and it interfused with his body when he regenerated later purged when he next regenerated. Phew!
I've never had a problem with the whole "half human" thing myself. But we all have a fanboy complaint about something if this is yours ignore those bits in "Enemy Within" or come up with an alternative explaintion if you like the idea, the thing in Journeys' End is only a suggestion and the show often contradicts itself. My fanboy complaint would have to be the whole 900 years old thing. Keep the half human thing on if you like say I.
900=Timelord 39. Trouble is the Master backed it up in "Last of the Time Lords". Maybe the Doc just lied to him too. I bloody cheered for RTD (not for the first time) when he slapped that stupid "half human" concept in the face, except the bloody Master seemed to back that up too!! I hate that dude, twice now he's substanciated rubbish. But yeah Dan we all DO have a fanboy complaint about something can't win 'em all.
BabelColour, I appreciate your video and the discussions it has sparked. I have been a Dr Who fan for over 30 years and watched all episodes (that still exist) many times. I am travelling now (as in happytravelling) and when I return, I will look into the Shobogans and report back. I know that it is the totality of episodes that make me believe the outsiders are the Shobogans, but do not have the materials here to investigate. I am willing to accept that I may have it wrong, unlike some others.
Loved this video. I had always thought that Drax called him by his nickname first, Thete, then his more formal name, Theta Sigma. He says, "it is Thete, isn't it? Theta Sigma?". Also, it seems that the Doctor was a Shobogan, a time lord who lived outside of the protected cities of the time lords, unlike almost all time lords. This never occured to me and explains his most un-time lord like love of travelling.
It was never established in the show that Shabogans were those who lived outside the Capitol, indeed it was rather contradicted by Spandrell who claimed they were vandals inside the city. The Shabogans may be another chapter of Time Lords, like the Arcalians or Prydonians.
"defined". They did vandalize the Time lords for food and supplies who they viewed as decadent, but most importantly, they rejected the lifestyle of the time lords and lived outside the cities, not just the Capital. The Shobogans were not a "class" of time lords like the Pyrodonians. Still, I see this as a good opportunity to watch one of my favorite episodes again and see if I remember this correctly. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!
No, you're wrong. In Invasion of Time, the drop-puts are named as 'outsiders'. The term 'Shobogans' isn't even brought up at all throughout the story.
No, Snake, I still believe that you are wrong. I have watched the "invasion of time" again and still believe it. Also, in the Wikipedia description of "the invasion of Time", it says "They (Rodan and Leela) are welcomed warily by the Shobogans, a tribe of outsiders who have rejected Time Lord society and live in the wastelands." I believe this and so (apparently)do many others . Why don't you watch the whole episode again and keep an open mind this time.
Wikipedia can be editted by ANYONE, and I've watched all 6 episodes all the way through and there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of the Shobogans. If you can tell me the exact point in the whole story when the word 'Shobogans' is used, then maybe I'll believe you afetr seeing it for myself.
I expected this type an answer from you based upon your previous responses. Believe what you want. I enjoy discussions about Dr Who, not pontifications from a supposed know-it-all.
You're quite right, snakeonaplane. The word Shobogan (pronounced "Shaboogan") has only ever been uttered once in the 45 years of Dr Who, and that was by Castellan Spandrell in 'Deadly Assassin' to describe people in the Capitol whom he was always running-in for vandalism. It was John Peel who famously linked Shaboogans with 'The Outsiders' in his reference book and this error has stuck in the minds of a lot of fans since.
I think the Doctor made that up just to get rid of that crazy scientist...and remember how close he was to Grace when the Master was peeping into his retina (they were making out). Somehow I don't think the Eye of Harmony is a perfect machine (knowing our Time Lord friends) and somehow it just got its wires crossed...and I doubt the Master would know how to use the &*%# thing.
Fantastic video! however on the Half-Human subject, according to the Fact File on the Official Doctor Who Website:
"Those of you who have been slightly bothered for the last 12 years by the comment made by the Eighth Doctor in the TV Movie that he was half human on his mother's side, can probably breathe a sigh of relief now. The Doctor #2 seems shocked that he has become uniquely half human due to the biological metacrisis with Donna, strongly suggesting that he never was before."
Smashing, amazing, and jaw dropping. I have seen every epi from 70-89 at least 5 times each and I can't remember all these details. How the hell do you do it? Great great work and highly entertaining to a hard core fan like myself.
I cant remeber which episode it was but they got thier light years mixed up! Scientists have reckoned for some time now our galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter and they placed some planet like 200 thousand light years away in the middle of nowhere but said it was in our galaxy!
Ha! Did u happen to see series 4's finale? Did u happen to catch a little line...."Urgh, I'm half human thats Disgusting!" When his clone found out he was half Donna. Bye bye half human rubbish!
He was joking. He told the professor that to get him off his back. And I doubt the Master understands how to use the Eye of Harmony--he's a master bluffer.
In what episode does the Third Doctor talk about the old hermit? I have been looking for the segment for awhile.
closetofaraway 2 weeks ago
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@closetofaraway The fourth Doctor talks to Romana2 about the old hermit in the "State of Decay".
ytams1 2 weeks ago
Love this! I've been trying to find out more about the Doctor's time on Gallifrey, but it's not like I've got enough money to buy every single episode (the prices the beeb charge for the DVDs seem a bit extortionate) .:( I've got some of the New Who and a few of the old episodes; which ones did you use here? The video itself is really helpful (it excludes all of the Virgin New Adventures, audioplays etc. =D ) Hope you do another one with all the other bits you know!
Originalcremela 1 month ago
Could anyone tell me which episode it is when Six has that green mask on his face? I'd like to see that.
KingLofiOne 4 months ago
@KingLofiOne - Vengeance on Varos:)
Darren79 3 months ago
I think that the Doctor was joking when he said "I am half human on my mother's side."
MegaClam1 5 months ago 4
@MegaClam1 Rule 1: The Doctor lies.
flubberface08 5 months ago 4
Thank you for putting all of that together for the new fans!
KendrixTermina 5 months ago 3
you need to do another one for the master and start it off from the scene from the deadly assassin the that man with the doctor goes who's the master
bioniclefactory1 5 months ago
A good guide for beginners indeed!
I'm going to show this to a friend who I'm trying to in'doctor'trinate into Dr who.
But she thinks who is too complicated! But this video explains it quite well! (Well the doctor at least!)
Also I believe that there is now cannon from the new series that the doctor stole the tardis from a museum (or it stole him) Anyway a great video, like all the other fantastic ones!
I'd like to see one done on the master or maybe the time lords in general, I know theres
winterwolf2710 6 months ago
You're killing me! Why is so much of the sound chopped out.
McKnowledge1000 8 months ago
lol what if the doctor's name was somehting really boring like he'd reveal to his companion and river and whoever:
"My name is........Keith"
Smallvillenerd 8 months ago 2
"Well, on a sort of "Finders Keepers" Basis, yes..."
Best reply ever.
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cool I made my own family for him.
liongirlfc 10 months ago
The book Lungbarrow gives away so much of who he is-and for those trying to follow a canon it would be accurate. One of the last eps with the 7th Doctor is called Ghost Light. In reality the book I just mentioned was going to be that episode-but the scriptwriters felt it revealed too much so they replaced it with Ghost Light.
numutabin 10 months ago
Braxiatel was his brother.
KingLofiOne 10 months ago
I'm really trying to piece together info about this character...just got into the series and needless to say I'm confused out of my mind. Reading various wiki links is also proving to be confusing - there's so much info out there!
seabury 10 months ago
i actually learned something from this video. good job :)
imamadmad1 11 months ago
part 2?
zolkable 11 months ago
I actually found the little detail of the Doctor being half-human to be quite interesting, though I doubt it is considered canon now.
TheMyrrdhin 11 months ago
I was enjoying this until the "half human" inclusion in it. Still, aside from that, it's very good.
LouisTrapani 11 months ago 7
@LouisTrapani Check Tardis.Wikia. His mother was a human, she was called Penelope, and his father Uselyss. He later remarried with a Time Lady, changed his name and started living on earth as a teacher.
ThreePipeProblems 1 week ago
The music reminds me of the end of Return of the Jedi.
Dubzoomember 1 year ago
That whole "Doctor? Doctor Who?" jjoke goes right back to the first episode! I think that maybe the Doctor WAS part human at one time, but reality changed and now he isn't. Or something.
blackphoenix77 1 year ago 2
Incredible - as usual.
FamilyOfMan1975 1 year ago
another amazing gatherig of facts about the doctor's life :)
punk3sophia 1 year ago
Will you ever make a part two? Also this video is brilliant.
Gallifreyan1 1 year ago
The Doctor is my hero ..
MamzelleCosette 1 year ago
Did everybody forget that time lords and galfreyans or two distinctly different races
bigkon420 1 year ago
the doctor was only half human in his 8th regeneration. because in Journey's End it shows the half Doctor, Half human and he's only got one heart. so there
BradamAllibourke 1 year ago
"I am FAR MORE then just a Time Lord"
according to "IDW-The Forgotten" The Doctor is not REALLY half human, he just used Chameleon Arch so it will look like that.
So what has 7 meant?
I think they are going to bring the Cartmell masterplan ^_^
toontoosh 1 year ago
For the longest time I thought The Doctor might really be Rassilon hiding (in plain sight) from The Time Lords.
Then we finally got to meet Rassilon (I don't count The Five Doctors because it was never proven that was really Rassilon or just a computer generated image).
FamilyOfMan1975 1 year ago
seriously... this video is brilliant, i even remember some of these references
CheesyAbs6 1 year ago
It would be nice to see an updated edit with Matt Smith in there! :-D
fugazi32 1 year ago
The half human stuff makes me cringe.
MrBobbobthegreat 1 year ago 2
@MrBobbobthegreat It's bollocks isn't it.
vanillaorchid 1 year ago
the 14 dislike's are Kaled, this is amazing !!!! x Thank's Babelcolour, ive learnt SOOOO much x
ReskellLaifGreyl 1 year ago
In several Tom Baker episodes, he said he choose this tardis because it had a full laboratory, whereas newer models didn't. I also seem to remember from a John Pertwee episode it was in the dry dock (scrapyard) because the chameleon circuit was faulty, which eventually stuck in the tardis in the police box shape, shortly after he came to earth. Anybody remember this far back. It under dispute on the dr. who wiki pages.
MidnightVisions 1 year ago
It's Spelt Runcible Effactuous? That's what I got from how he said it, anyway!
NobleLordDarcia 1 year ago
Great video! But what about the background music?
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I wished Doctor Who was on television in my coutry. Until then I will continue to watch it online at lastnightstvshows (.) com
futuristicidea87 1 year ago
It must've been quite some lot of work to gather all these little hints as they're all over the series. He doesn't talk very much of his life back on Gallifrey...
I'd add the bits from "The Doctor's Daughter" where he mentions his previous Children and the scene on blink where he says he's "rubbish at wedings", and oh, didn't Susan mention that she was born in the 49th Century in some version of the 1st episode? That sure helps to pin down the Doctor's home era.
KendrixTermina 1 year ago
no I don't think he half human, not at all, sorry but the film never did it for me, although I think Paul would have made a great Doctor given the new scripts
buffykidd1971 1 year ago
@buffykidd1971 I actually liked the film, safe for the half human part. It contradicts all that came afterwards and before. I think it was all just a lie to trick the Master.
KendrixTermina 1 year ago
@KendrixTermina One of the comics refers to him using a broken chameleon arch to fool him, so...
AliveStorm93 1 year ago
UPDATE
JamieCarterFilms 1 year ago
Where's my Thesaures? I'm running out of words that mean FANTASTIC and BRILLIANT.
I guess you'll have to settle for WOW!!!!
TomatoeAssassin 2 years ago 16
@TomatoeAssassin Totally agree with you there!!!
SuperBoris70 8 months ago
Some of the audio is muted ie bits of dialogue but can still hear the music.
CLSmith71 2 years ago
so very interesting! this video is very informative!
wowhatheck 2 years ago
I was hoping this was the first in a series as it is so AWESOME!!!
tardis0princess 2 years ago
don't you realise. There was this thing on doctor who night in 1999 or whatever when this scientist talked about how the doctor regenerated. apparently, the human cells would cause his regenerative ability to mutate and last forever instead of just 13 bodies
OmegaShenron6574 2 years ago
Brilliant video! And I completely agree with everyone, the Doctor is NOT half human. I think the people who made that movie really had no idea what Doctor Who was meant to be. Shame really, because Mcgann was pretty good as the Doctor in the audio series.
CaptainAndyman 2 years ago
Just for note, if you read the book of the movie with the 8th Doctor in, he's discribed as being Half-Human due to the fact they tried transfusing blood into him in the hospital when reviving him before the regeneration took control...
he was only half human for that regeneration, 8th, due to the human blood that was in his system during the regeneration, once he regenerated back into the 9th Doctor (Eccleson), he was back to being full Gallifreyan
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methosivanhoe 2 years ago 3
Thank goodness for that! But why did he say his mum was human???
CaptainAndyman 2 years ago
think that was just a wisecrack / sarcastic comment...
at the time, he was leaning in to tell Grace something important, when she called the other guy over saying that he had a big secret...
My guess is that it was just a blowoff to get away from the secret lol
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methosivanhoe 2 years ago
Who loves it was when someone says "the doctor" and the other asks "doctor who?"
GeneHunt01 2 years ago 4
You should make more of these. For real.
PrincessPotato 2 years ago
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I think I read somehwere that the Doctor is supposed to be a reincarnation of one of the three founders of Timelord society (Rassilon being one, and Omega the other) whose name was forgotten by history and just became known as "the other".
Doctor Who history and background is hard to come accross because its awkward to judge what is canon.
It is however jumbled enough that anyone can bodge together something interesting.
I never liked all the half human stuff either.
Giradius 2 years ago 23
@Giradius That was from the Cartmel Masterplan during the seventh Doctor's era. The story goes something like that after Omega died, Rassilon became a bit corrupt (like how he was in 'The End of Time') and ordered The Other to be killed. To foil that plan, The Other jumped into the loom (where Gallifreyans are born) and many years later he became re-incarnated as The Doctor. It's all in the book 'Lungbarrow' by Marc Platt, but it's canonicity is debatable
barnabascrowe 1 year ago
@barnabascrowe
I would personally reject it, Lungbarrow doesn't sound like a Gallyfreyan name, and i don't like the idea that Gallyfreyans are essentially clones (or that Pythia stuff with curses and what not).
I think all the "other" stuff is just an attempt to make the Doctor more than JUST a timelord..but what wrong with being a timelord?
The Doctor is special enough just through his attitudes and his nature without needing to make him a founder of timelord society.
Giradius 1 year ago
@Giradius Well that's partially why JN-T rejected the whole 'Lungbarrow' story pitch. The whole idea was to try and inject more mystery into who the Doctor is and play up the whole "Doctor who?" angle, but what they were doing was actually going in the opposite direction. It's interesting that some bits of Lungbarrow did make it into Ghost Light, or at least that's the rumor. Besides it taking place in a house, I can't really see the similarities lol
barnabascrowe 1 year ago
@Giradius I think the 1996 movie is considered cannon only as far as that Sylvester McCoy was shot, and regenerated into his eight incarnation. All specific details are otherwise non-cannon.
IRISHREM1234 7 months ago
@IRISHREM1234 it's completely up to the bbc what is cannon. But to there credit they stay out of the way. Both moffat and davis say to fans do not even try. It's just best to make up your own (based around the show, books, audio plays,etc.) because the show is based on time travel you can technically never be wrong and it's a whole lot more awesome that way
bigkon420 7 months ago
cool
twilightnotthebook 2 years ago
I do recall the Eighth Doctor saying at one point in a book or an audio that he had used a half-broken chameleon arch and something else to fool the Master into thinking he was part human.
Lunargleam2 2 years ago 3
Not sure if I'm remembering this right but didnt the Tenth Doctor say he was fond of the Housemartins?
HelpMyNamesTaken 2 years ago
all right, I think I've determined the cause of the lost audio--it's my headphones, not the video.
harrietamidala1691 2 years ago
Watching this the whole half human thing almost makes sense.
Concreteowl 2 years ago
Could it not be possible that the Doctor was joking, as the real secret was a little worse than that? As to why the master says it, perhaps it's seen as being the lowest thing imaginable on Gallifrey, and he's trying to sound impressive-after all, the Doctor's not happy to have a half human body in Journey's End...
Or he could be telling the truth.
Camborner15 2 years ago
Yeah, the whole new series seems to have glossed over this fact, even to the point of clearing him of that in the last episode of Season 4... I would take that as canon, as I have a hard time thinking of him as half human.
Burgerbob22 2 years ago
This is fantastic! I love it, thank you so much!
Britparsley 2 years ago
Stuart
You've give us yet another clever piece of work. One of the things I love about your contributions is that they have so much intelligence.
thanks
thumpaholden 2 years ago
great vid!!
CommisarTeds 2 years ago
I personally dont think the Doctor is half human, but for all of you people saying "HE CANT BE ONE CUZ IN JOURNEYS END IT WAS DEBUNKED"
Donna was ACCIDENTLY merged with Time Lord knowledge. A human with time lord traits, never able to survive.
But a person BORN like that, a mix of time lord and good ol humanz? Why not?
VideoNoob22 2 years ago
The film in 1996 took a lot of liberties - they did that "I'm half human" thing to please the American audiences.
january301973 2 years ago
I'm American and I hated the half-human thing--I thought the movie was the worst thing ever made--I would rather watch Timelash again.
harrietamidala1691 2 years ago
Right first off brilliant work and I reckon it should be part of the national curriculum it's so good.
To all those who think that the doctor isn't half human. Think how it would affect him, it'd make him interested in humans for a start, it'd make him more than just a timelord and the mystery might be is he jesus the other man with one name who was reborn, I'm just saying that maybe you should look into the implications of a half human doctor, rather than simply dismiss the possibility.
farshnuke 2 years ago
Ah, that sounds similiar to the Cartmel Masterplan; when it was going to reveal that The Doctor was in fact the reincarnation of The Other, one of the three founding members of the Time-Lord race
J4J0k3r 2 years ago
yeah this was what the 27th season was about. before it was cancelled a whole season was lined up that would have ace go to gallifrey and become a time lady by entering the prydonian academy. the doctor and ace would learn more about the doctor than they knew
OmegaShenron6574 2 years ago
He's not half human - that was just a ruse.
january301973 2 years ago
As much as I love "Every Story", "Ten Doctors", "Foot Tapper'" and all the others... this might be your best video. Really does what it says on the tin. 5 Stars.
hifithepanda 2 years ago
he's not half human that bloody piece of shit tv film took a lot of liberties!!!
wicklowmania 2 years ago
its because the dr thought of that 2 fool the master apperently
DMCDL 2 years ago
Very good... I suppose there are bits from The Doctor's Daughter that could now be added to this too.
dfarmbrough 2 years ago
Ha! Nice going with your clip. I love it!
someoneatMHS 2 years ago
Maybe one of the character points of the Eighth Doctor (that would have been expanded on if the movie would have became a series) was that he lied from time to time? Hence the 'half human' remark?
J4J0k3r 2 years ago
That'd work if the rest of the story didn't actually rely on his half-human eye.
thatenglishkid 2 years ago
Are you suggesting that the Doctor became half human when he regenerated? If you are thats absurd as theres no evidence to suggest such a thing occurring. The Tenth Doctor becomes human with the aid of a chameleon arch that rewrites his biology to human from timelord whereas the doctor merely regenerates in the movie. It's good you brought up the amnesia which meant he could of he said he was human out of confusion or merely to deceive the master.
uvall88 2 years ago
He might have got Grace with that genetic transfer thing he got Martha with in Smith and Jones. He must have been thinking VERY quickly but that's the Doctor for you. Makes the Master look a bit of a boob though but again that's the Doctor for you.
LindseyHabibi 2 years ago
Seven: "I am not human, I am not like you!" - something could've happened during the operation which turned him slightly human.
thatenglishkid 2 years ago
Aye hes not half human. Timelord and human procreation is debunked in one of the eight doctor books suggesting its an impossibility. The tenth Doctor also makes it clear hes not human.
uvall88 3 years ago
He still could've been and who says the books are even canon?
thatenglishkid 2 years ago
Read the second part. Throughout the series the doctor has repeatedly stated hes not human and the tenth doctor in Journey's end effectively puts an end to the speculation. He states that the copy of himself created is half human and cannot regenerate while he is a timelord and can.
uvall88 2 years ago
Doesn't mean Eight wasn't human. Remember Eight was the one with shit-loads of memory loss and amnesia. It's possible he was half-human during that incarnation only - maybe he just forgot afterwards. Plus the half-human Doc in "Journey" was created via a hand, whereas there's no hand and therefore it's a different process in "TV Movie".
thatenglishkid 2 years ago
personally from my memory of the TV movie I thought that the Doctor said it merely to confuse matters for the Master. He was looking into Grace's eyes and the Master was looking out through the Doctor's eyes and that's how he tricked the Master into believing he was half human.
rheaneko 2 years ago
The reason he was half human in the movie was because it was made in America and for some reason Americans have an obsession for half humans or they can't appreciate aliens being good guys.
AlabastyrGlyttr 2 years ago
And, ironic how Seven states "I am not human, I am not like you" just 15/20 minutes before the revelation that he is xD
thatenglishkid 2 years ago
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uvall88 3 years ago
Cool. Doctor Who is great! :)
jan0009683 3 years ago
it was still awesome even tho i knew basicly everything aobut this!
cyberlego1994 3 years ago
dont get me wrong...great work and remarkably informative. Looking for part 2 soon.
diddymuck 3 years ago
Just one thing, him being a father and a grandfather should go in "Family" aside from that perfect.
Makiruz 3 years ago
as the 9th doctor would say 'FANTASTIC!'
forestofcheem 3 years ago
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also left out his skill with slight of hand, music, dancing, and singing (hitting a high note perfectly saved him and crew in the Kroll ep).
diddymuck 3 years ago
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Left out: his presidency of Gallifrey, his life as Merlin, his life as the Valeyard, his physiognimy, his favorite foods and beverages (fave foods vary with jelly babies being the most visible, fave beverage is ginger beer).
diddymuck 3 years ago
Also, he is allergic to aspirin and doesn't like burnt toast.
Dubzoomember 3 years ago
in Doctor Who: The Forgotten comic, which was 10th Doctor having stories about past incarnations, 8th Doctor tells one person that he lied about the half-human part to fool his enemy
ShootStyleZombie 3 years ago
Nice montage :)
AmayirotAkago 3 years ago
A lot of this information contradicts itself, considering all the writers who worked with this series throughout the years.
Phen0minaPr0ductions 3 years ago
Any plot involving time travel cannot contradict itself. By it's very nature certain elements will naturally change over the course of the telling.
KingRedRichard 3 years ago
Brilliant video :)
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
hey babelcolour, are you going to do more Fact Files for the other characters? Also, what serials are the scenes with the Third and Fourth Doctor imprisoned in a cell from?
harrietamidala1691 3 years ago
i think the one where 4 is imprisoned is from State of Decay
DarMar106 3 years ago
The Third Doctor was imprisoned in "The Time Monster", and the Fourth in "State of Decay".
DoctorWhoJohnnyBoy 3 years ago
It's all wibbly wobbley, timey wimey.
I like the half human idea though. Otherwise, why care so much about us?
ChurchHatesTucker 3 years ago 2
well, lets not forget its a TV show, without the earth being saved it wouldn.t be a good Sci Fi
Gorphoz 3 years ago 3
Ok, so if all the comments are consistant, other people found out he was half-human, thought less of him and was even looked down by his own family. Does that sound about right?
Blackbean3 3 years ago
Possibly, it would explain why the character's always been such a wild card. But the whole "half human" thing has always been a bit contentious amoungst fans. It's possible that the eighth Doctor AND ONLY the eighth Doctor was half human, or it could have been a lie to manipulate others. The half human thing seemed to have been thrown out of the window in "Journey's End" but then again perhaps the line in question in JE was a remark about physiology rather than ancestory.
mrshushie 3 years ago 3
yeeeeh okay, he COULD have meant "I'm half human that's disgusting" in the sense of he had 50% human organs ect rather than contradicting the telemovie. Still I prefer the 8th Doctor being the only time he was ever half human explanation myself. It's possible that the 7th Doctor had a blood transfusion from a female Donor hence "on my mother's side" and it interfused with his body when he regenerated later purged when he next regenerated. Phew!
LindseyHabibi 3 years ago
yeah that works for me!
topliff12345 3 years ago
I think it's something that should be left to the imagination. Makes a good debate topic after all.
hudinewolfspirit 3 years ago
love it
2000drwho 3 years ago
this is great!!!
sliverbrich 3 years ago 2
THAT WAS AWESOME!! loved it! *faved*
lokiwolf44 3 years ago 2
I've never had a problem with the whole "half human" thing myself. But we all have a fanboy complaint about something if this is yours ignore those bits in "Enemy Within" or come up with an alternative explaintion if you like the idea, the thing in Journeys' End is only a suggestion and the show often contradicts itself. My fanboy complaint would have to be the whole 900 years old thing. Keep the half human thing on if you like say I.
mrshushie 3 years ago
900=Timelord 39. Trouble is the Master backed it up in "Last of the Time Lords". Maybe the Doc just lied to him too. I bloody cheered for RTD (not for the first time) when he slapped that stupid "half human" concept in the face, except the bloody Master seemed to back that up too!! I hate that dude, twice now he's substanciated rubbish. But yeah Dan we all DO have a fanboy complaint about something can't win 'em all.
LindseyHabibi 3 years ago
when the third doctor is talking about the blackest day of his life, what footage is that from? Seems like he got captured or something.
harrietamidala1691 3 years ago
also, what's the footage of the fourth Doctor and Romana in a dudgeon from?
Brilliant video. Do you have more fact files on the other characters?
harrietamidala1691 3 years ago
The third doctor footage is from 'The Time Monster' and the fourth doctor footage is from 'State of Decay' i think
NuckinFuts666 3 years ago
BabelColour, I appreciate your video and the discussions it has sparked. I have been a Dr Who fan for over 30 years and watched all episodes (that still exist) many times. I am travelling now (as in happytravelling) and when I return, I will look into the Shobogans and report back. I know that it is the totality of episodes that make me believe the outsiders are the Shobogans, but do not have the materials here to investigate. I am willing to accept that I may have it wrong, unlike some others.
happytravelling 3 years ago
I'm willing to accept that you may have it wrong too.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
Hang on, at 2:44, is that Peter Davison mentioning the Rani? I thought the Rani wasn't introduced until Colin Baker's series.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
AAHHH love the music!!!!fantastic!!!
topliff12345 3 years ago
Loved this video. I had always thought that Drax called him by his nickname first, Thete, then his more formal name, Theta Sigma. He says, "it is Thete, isn't it? Theta Sigma?". Also, it seems that the Doctor was a Shobogan, a time lord who lived outside of the protected cities of the time lords, unlike almost all time lords. This never occured to me and explains his most un-time lord like love of travelling.
happytravelling 3 years ago
It was never established in the show that Shabogans were those who lived outside the Capitol, indeed it was rather contradicted by Spandrell who claimed they were vandals inside the city. The Shabogans may be another chapter of Time Lords, like the Arcalians or Prydonians.
BabelColour 3 years ago
In the "Invasion of Time", the shobogans were
"defined". They did vandalize the Time lords for food and supplies who they viewed as decadent, but most importantly, they rejected the lifestyle of the time lords and lived outside the cities, not just the Capital. The Shobogans were not a "class" of time lords like the Pyrodonians. Still, I see this as a good opportunity to watch one of my favorite episodes again and see if I remember this correctly. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!
happytravelling 3 years ago
I have subscribed to your videos. You are one great Doctor Who fan! Thanks for your feedback and I look forward to more discussions in the future!
happytravelling 3 years ago
No, you're wrong. In Invasion of Time, the drop-puts are named as 'outsiders'. The term 'Shobogans' isn't even brought up at all throughout the story.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
No, Snake, I still believe that you are wrong. I have watched the "invasion of time" again and still believe it. Also, in the Wikipedia description of "the invasion of Time", it says "They (Rodan and Leela) are welcomed warily by the Shobogans, a tribe of outsiders who have rejected Time Lord society and live in the wastelands." I believe this and so (apparently)do many others . Why don't you watch the whole episode again and keep an open mind this time.
happytravelling 3 years ago
Wikipedia can be editted by ANYONE, and I've watched all 6 episodes all the way through and there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of the Shobogans. If you can tell me the exact point in the whole story when the word 'Shobogans' is used, then maybe I'll believe you afetr seeing it for myself.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
I expected this type an answer from you based upon your previous responses. Believe what you want. I enjoy discussions about Dr Who, not pontifications from a supposed know-it-all.
happytravelling 3 years ago
They're called Outsiders.
thatenglishkid 3 years ago
You're quite right, snakeonaplane. The word Shobogan (pronounced "Shaboogan") has only ever been uttered once in the 45 years of Dr Who, and that was by Castellan Spandrell in 'Deadly Assassin' to describe people in the Capitol whom he was always running-in for vandalism. It was John Peel who famously linked Shaboogans with 'The Outsiders' in his reference book and this error has stuck in the minds of a lot of fans since.
BabelColour 3 years ago
Yeah after 'Journey's End' the whole human thing is nothing now.lol needs editing!
Good though
IISuperDanII 3 years ago 2
I think the Doctor made that up just to get rid of that crazy scientist...and remember how close he was to Grace when the Master was peeping into his retina (they were making out). Somehow I don't think the Eye of Harmony is a perfect machine (knowing our Time Lord friends) and somehow it just got its wires crossed...and I doubt the Master would know how to use the &*%# thing.
AModernMajorGeneral 3 years ago
Fantastic video! however on the Half-Human subject, according to the Fact File on the Official Doctor Who Website:
"Those of you who have been slightly bothered for the last 12 years by the comment made by the Eighth Doctor in the TV Movie that he was half human on his mother's side, can probably breathe a sigh of relief now. The Doctor #2 seems shocked that he has become uniquely half human due to the biological metacrisis with Donna, strongly suggesting that he never was before."
GeordieDan89 3 years ago
Smashing, amazing, and jaw dropping. I have seen every epi from 70-89 at least 5 times each and I can't remember all these details. How the hell do you do it? Great great work and highly entertaining to a hard core fan like myself.
fredfreddy 3 years ago 2
By the way, what story was Drax from?
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
The Armaggedon Factor. I think.
SupremeDalek12 3 years ago 5
You're right, last serial of the "Key to Time" story arc.
penguinsloveDW 3 years ago
FANTASTIC!
truecalling 3 years ago 2
By the way Babel, you forgot to mention K'anpo Rimpoche from Planet of the Spiders under teachers.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
yeah, but he's the hermit so he still kinda did. good vid.
cyclopz007 3 years ago
Wasn't he the hermit 3 and 4 talked about?
AModernMajorGeneral 3 years ago
U forgot the fact that he's President of Gallifrey (Invasion of Time).
I learned most of what I know of Doctor Who from this video. Great job, Babel!
FlowerGirl9016 3 years ago
I cant remeber which episode it was but they got thier light years mixed up! Scientists have reckoned for some time now our galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter and they placed some planet like 200 thousand light years away in the middle of nowhere but said it was in our galaxy!
SimplyBen84 3 years ago
Not quite "The middle of nowhere" - the Small Megallanic Cloud is a dwarf Galaxy and sits 200 thousand light years away.
BabelColour 3 years ago
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NO NO NO! NOT HALF HUMAN! Damn Americans trying to buggerup our Doctor! IGNORE THIS FALICY! HE AINT HALF HUMAN! Babel.....please correct this..... :(
Galron066 3 years ago
Paul McGann si the official Eighth Doctor, the new series accepts the movie as canon, the Doctor is half-human. Deal with it.
SnakeOnAPlane 3 years ago
Ha! Did u happen to see series 4's finale? Did u happen to catch a little line...."Urgh, I'm half human thats Disgusting!" When his clone found out he was half Donna. Bye bye half human rubbish!
Galron066 3 years ago
yeah dude, fuck that. i agree even tho i'm an american lol.
cyclopz007 3 years ago
I agree the doctor is not 1/2 human. He is considered the official 8th doctor but in at journeys end it proves that the doctor was never 1/2 human.
CaptianKay 3 years ago
true, it specifically says a half human half timelord could not survive
Gorphoz 3 years ago 2
exactly think Journey's End where Donna's memory had to be wiped else she would burn up
EuskaltelEuskadi 3 years ago
Maybe that specific incarnation of The Doctor had some human in him. That could be why his regeneration was so rough.
MrPsychic8472 3 years ago
He was joking. He told the professor that to get him off his back. And I doubt the Master understands how to use the Eye of Harmony--he's a master bluffer.
AModernMajorGeneral 3 years ago
That's always been my interpretation.
GusF 3 years ago
Shame the half-human iris/eye was needed for the whole plot to work =\
thatenglishkid 3 years ago
Babel, do you have plans to make more of these?
thatenglishkid 3 years ago