Golden Sun: Hacking, Kraden Fights

[olmaho]

Shit! Kraden does kick some ass after all these years.

[otcan95]

kraden is stronger than jenna...

[HamsterOfJudgement]

kraden used scratch,critical hit.wild punch ant fainted...kraden is evolving ..... kraden evolved into kraken.

[Lishy1]

@HamsterOfJudgement Kraken used Poison Beat! Mia is deeply poisoned! Kraken used Ink Blessing! Isaac is delusional!

[Killagoose77]

Kraden is so epic, he doesn't even need to move. He simply jumps toward his enemies, and they die.

[DarkAlex99100]

LOL

[EvilxobX64]

Felix: "EARTH!"

Jenna: "FIRE!"

Sheba: "WIND!"

Piers: "WATER!"

Kraden: "...Heart?"

[Kotaro94]

@EvilxobX64

Kraden:..."Alchemy!!!!"

[squallthegriever]

@EvilxobX64 haham you know that in GSDD Kraden is 140 you would think he would learn a psynergy move or use a bow as a weapon.

[papemario]

"i never knew fighting could be so much fun!"

i think that they were supposed to make kraden fight counting on that line and the battle sprite...

[Kranden420]

This guy is my evil twin or something. Ive been using this name since like 2001 so it was weird seeing something very similar in a game lol 

[proudmuslim1198]

whoa, howd he get kraden in there?

[Lucario1423]

Is there an editor for the first golden sun?

[AtriusV]

@Lucario1423 Yes, the editor is compatible with the first game for the most part. It doesn't work on enemies since their data is formatted differently, but that will be fixed in the next release.

[mcidral]

xD on old man fight O.O LOL he no move youself,he only jump and atk xD

[testwhite]

He didn't lift a finger! Hoooooly hoooooly hooooooly hoooool

[Djinnfest]

this game just wasnt made for an old sage like him

nice though

[logi878]

Has anyone other than Tom commented on this video? Nice editor, if what this "Tom101229" guy says is true and all that crap. I'd like to try out the Editor thing. XP

[Tom101229]

Funny you have four elements when many things considered are not at all or should not all be part of the same element. Water and Ice, Wind and Lightning. This would add in room for two new elements, Ice and Lightning. Which still works out well.

Also it might be best to use the Japanese names for the towers instead of Roman ones. Because Suisei is the Japanese name for Mercury and it is associated with water, but Mercury in the Roman tense just refers to trade and travel.

[Tom101229]

@Tom101229 Suisei (Mercury) = Water Kinsei (Venus) = Metal Mokusei (Jupiter) = Wood Kasei (Mars) = Fire So what of the other 2 elements along with Lightning and Ice? Dosei (Saturn) = Earth Tenōsei (Uranus) = Sky Kaiōsei (Neptune) = Ocean (Water) Meiōsei (Pluto) = Darkness If you plan in the other four planets including pluto and aside from Earth, then you end up with two Water Temples. Since Kaiosei literally means ocean, you can then make Mercury the Ice one.

[Tom101229]

So you now have: Suisei = Ice Kinsei = Metal Mokusei = Wood Kasei = Fire Dosei = Earth Tenosei = Sky Kaiosei = Water Meiosei = Darkness You still need to divide sky into two elements and add in Light to balance Darkness. This would end up with ten characters, but you can clearly get around this. Taiyou (The Sun) can refer to light, therefore balancing Darkness. Chikyuu (The Earth) refers to soil, sand is close to soil, and therefore you could add in Sand as an element.

[Tom101229]

But as is the Case with Naruto, you could have Chikyuu which refers to Soil which is similar to Sand and therefore Wind as in Naruto, the Wind Ninjas were also the Sand Ninjas. So as a recap: Taioyou = Light Suisei = Ice Kinsei = Metal Chikyuu = (Soil=Sand=Wind) Wind Kasei = Fire Maokusei = Wood Dosei = Earth Tenosei = (Sky) Thunder Kaiosei = Water Meiosei = Darkness

[Tom101229]

If you don't like the Planet name use, then you could invoke a variety of names of Gods from other cultures like Final Fantasy does in naming the Summonings. Might be better that way. As for characters: I would prefer it being. Light = ? Ice = Mia Metal = Garet (Metal is created out of heated pressure from rocks, it is similar enough to Fire) Wind = Ivan Fire = Jenna Wood = Felix (Wood is similar to Earth) Earth = Isaac Thunder = Sheba Water = Piers Darkness = ?

[Tom101229]

Now what to choose for both light and darkness.

One idea is to make Kraden the light and one of the villains as the Dark (Alex, Saturos, Menardi, Karst, or Agatio). Another idea is to choose the Dark character from one of the villains. Another is to make Kraden someone who can use any of the elements but sucks at physical fighting and his spell power isn't that great either. Then make two of the villains both light and Dark. I prefer Saturos and Karst as light and dark or vice versa.

[Tom101229]

Of course that means Saturos and Karst would both have to survive, but maybe that would be for the best. Saturos was the original member of the Fire Clan that wanted to save his people, might even make it best to make the Light one. And as Karst is driven by revenge by the death of her sister, which somehow Saturos had avoided, perhaps at the cost of Menardi's life, to make her be the Dark One.

This would give you 11 characters and you could possibly add another one to make twelve.

[Tom101229]

Give Kraden ability to use all ten elements and have a huge psyenergy pool to use them, but make him physically weak and a little weaker than Isaac at using psyenergy techniques. Earth = Isaac Metal = Garet Wind = Ivan Ice = Mia Light = Saturos Fire = Jenna Omni (All) = Kraden Wood = Felix Thunder = Sheba Water = Piers Darkness = Karst Time = Alex (Temporary Character) Make Time a separate element on its own with no weaknesses similar to Thunder in legend of Dragoons and Alex a Temporary PC.

[Tom101229]

I want to make Alex sort of a Temporary Playable Character like Sephiroth was in FFVII.

[Atstyle]

@Tom101229 why metal stick with original 4 elements and use fusing those to make 2nd level alchemy don't change with adding element that doesn't make sense like metal and light and wood. wood is part of earth fused with water make one of the protagonist learm 2nd element trought one of the lighthouse orb. that be a better idea.

[Atstyle]

@Tom101229 ice should be a mixture of water and wind cooling effect that froze anything just like with weyard itself when jupiter and mercury lighthouse were lit. Lightning would be an earth-wind element, since real lightning is produces by air friction and is discharged through the ground.

[Tom101229]

@Atstyle

Wind isn't cooling so that doesn't work. Besides Water and Wind is Hurricane, so it wouldn't be fitting to make Ice a Combo element.

Combo Elements are suppose to entirely be a mixture of two or more elements. Magma = Fire and Earth. Mud = Earth and Water. Sand is Earth and Wind. Blizzard is Wind and Ice. Hurricane is Water and Wind. Explosion is Fire and Wind.

[Tom101229]

Steam is Water and Fire. Glacier is Water and Ice. Smoke is Fire and Darkness. Ash is Magma (Earth and Fire) and Darkness. Laser is Light and Fire. Beam is Light and Lightning. Storm is Lightning and Wind. Force is Light and Darkness. And so on.

[Tom101229]

@Atstyle

Actually Cloud could be wind and water. It is hard to say.

[Tom101229]

Good for a start, you need add in some more animation to make it top notch.

[matrixfh12]

..............

jajajaja Kraden es muy fuerte para su edad avanzada xD

Kraden: que dijiste de mi edad?!?!?!?!

yo: o-o...eh, nada señor....

[SolvedSnake]

this is so awesome... man. I have always dreamt of an editor like this

[melynx901z]

lol kraden looks kinda weird... especially when he attacks!!

[charontheferryman1]

The program, pallate and sprite table... could you please supply me with them? I'm interested in experimenting with this.

[Fptfsgirl]

Nice work 5/5. I tried downloading your program but no matter what English Rom of Golden Sun 2 that I download I just can't seem to get your program to acknowledge its existance.

[KidfromBangor]

I had trouble with that, too. Just go to the Compressed ROM folder, OPEN it, copy the GBA file within it, paste it anywhere outside of the Compressed folder, then load it with the editor.

[MamaMario13]

kraden is the heart element XD.

i guess he can only attack and has no psyenergy

[SmilingKitsune]

I wish this had been in the game, very nice job.

[45Mang]

but how do we get kraden to fight?

[AtriusV]

By conforming a sprite sheet of him to Golden Sun's palette, programming a tool to compress it into the proper format, copying the output from that program into the game, and repointing someone else's sprites to newly imported data.

[45Mang]

it still doesnt make sense to me. is there a vid that shows how to do it?

[AtriusV]

It's a complex procedure, I don't think a video would cover it. There aren't any existing tools to do it either, I had to create my own.

[45Mang]

i understand. by the way you sound... it sounds pretty difficult to do.

[colummcclelland90]

I wonder if the guy that made the Kraden Sprites ever found a wat to import them or has seen this video, because his sprite is quite good and looks natural

[AtriusV]

I believe they were for a different project. If you look at the link I got them from in the video description, you'll see them used in a battle system with a more cartooney visual style than Golden Sun.

[colummcclelland90]

ugh that whatever it is looking rather disturbing.

[lloid22]

I knew it... beware the almighty Kraden!

[Ac3Jay]

On another note, Kraden's pretty tall for someone his age.

[Ac3Jay]

I wish someone would do a video with Kid Issac and Garet or something along those lines doing something moderately cool in battle. ;_;

[XxzuritxX]

lol

[Carceg2008]

effin love it!!!

[want2fuckgirls]

OMG KRADEN KICKS ASS!

[TehSpriter]

Hey Atrius. This video really surprised me with how you actually got Kraden into the game. May I ask what program you used? Also, I downloaded your Editor a couple of weeks ago, I only got around to using it today, and it's very impressive. I can't wait until you add more features.

[AtriusV]

I used a couple of simple tools I programmed myself. I don't plan on releasing them since they're rather poorly put together, and complex to use. I basically just did it to show that it's possible for now, the goal is to eventually make the Editor capable of doing it.

There's another topic on the forums where the Editor is for previews of upcoming features I already having working for the next version, you should check it out if you haven't already.

[Magmabear]

Dude, what else can you do with these hacking programs?

I'm intrigued =D

[AtriusV]

With the editor I'm programming? Not a whole lot right now since it's still really early in development. The first release could edit items & enemies, and had sprite & text viewers. The next version will add ability, class, party member stat editors, and a map viewer.

[Kazdal567]

awesome!!!!!!!!!!!does he have psyenergy?

[Alexi5ix]

yeah,iris is his main psynergy

[Dragonnight56]

FIGHT DUDE FIGHT!

[crazybuizel]

FIGHT OLD MAN!!!

[Angelprincess3142]

If you watch carefully, you can see Kraden does no motion at all when he attacks, besides the jumping.

That is really nice spriting you made.

[AtriusV]

That's right, there's only a sprite of him standing from behind. I didn't make it, if you read the end of the video description there's a link to where I found it.

[Lightandgold]

Holy cow, that's some good spriting.

[Q9R42]

sweet! So they did make a battle animation for him after all! :3

[AtriusV]

Sorry to disappoint but, I was experimenting with replacing the sprites in the game with custom ones. I didn't make the sprites myself, but they're fan made.

[takeru91]

damn he's strong keke

[Jarfsoft]

Amazing just amazing!!!!!!!!!

[SeriouslyPissedOff]

Hilarious.

[chaoscreater]

rofl wow that's awesome, u can just redesign the whole game and make it better!! Are there any other Golden Sun versions? Coz i know for Pokemon, there're different versions like Shiny Gold etc.........those r way better than the originals

[Vane5a]

Sweet! I always hated that Kraden says it's fun, even though he's not actually in the fight.

[weckar]

I like the progress you're making :)

I once made some pretty neat Akafubu battle sprites for laughs, but this may be a good use for them. Will there be a party character editor, class editor or Djinni editor in the final version?

[AtriusV]

Most likely, yes.

[MegaMario2007]

Excellent! What next? Playable Mario?

[AtriusV]

I do have his sprites from Mario Golf: Advanced Tour, and they are in an awfully similar style to Golden Sun....

[ReidAlvein27]

Oh my God... it's the almighty! I can't believe I had the chance to watch him fight during my lifetime.

[ohyesbenny]

That's so amazing!

[colummcclelland90]

lol kraden this is amazing, now that you,ve not only learned how to add sprites but add additional characters. excellent

[AtriusV]

Actually I had to replace someone with him.

[colummcclelland90]

oh right.. but i mean like doing that part of the game only Jenna fights. lol who got ejected?

[AtriusV]

That was just memory editing, adding an extra character into my party then.

It was Piers that got replaced, he was too old to be adventuring anyway. :p

[colummcclelland90]

nooooooooooo hes my fav character :) and hey Kraden is no pup...

is it possible to say put Kraden in that fight then like take him out for the rest of the game with Piers returning to claim his throne?

[LordEarth13]

That was amazing, as normal lol.

[GorgeouslyFallen]

:D KRADEN!!!

[Namixas]

Awesome! Yeah, I always wondered why Kraden acts like he fought when he didn't...

[frammm]

You are the best GS coder, you know :)

[Drick9]

great job :P