Some 30 years ago i bought a used os wankel that had been running on 20% oil mix. I was running it on 3% belray oil (mixes with methanol) and that gave som 17% more of methanol. Then i added 5% nitro and that lovered the idle to a minimum of rpm, And it was really easy to start. Then i tried 15%nitro and the power went up like hell. At 20%nitro my chipmunk took off standing on its tail,like a rocket. After aboute 2 hours flight the model exploaded up in the air. And the G-forses ended my plane.
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@FasterLouder Madza is not the only producer of rotaries because they own the rights to them. Mazda does not own the rights. Mazda also never designed the rotary. Wankel designed the rotary. BMW made rotaries, so did Rolls Royce and a few other smaller companies.
what is it with all these retards who live for drama on youtube? if you dont like rotary then watch some ftlb/hp v8s. any engine that produces power makes me happy. then again i have matured unlike most of you drama kings that forgot they have graduated over 5+ years ago. get a life slackers.
Not meaning to cause uproar but if call the viewers of this video slackers for watching rc plane wankels, then YTF are you watching it, but rotaries last for ever if well looked after, my dad had a rx3 for 14 years
if you read it properly i was talking to the kids on here who are drama kings that need to grow up. that is awesome your dad had a rx3! they are the rx2s big brother ahha.
The way I understand it, the main advantage of a Wankel rotary is a fair slab of power in a small, light package. The downside is there's no such thing as a free lunch; that extra power comes at the expense of extra fuel consumed. Rotaries are also down on torque compared to similarly-powerful piston engines. Lots of car companies once had licences to develop their own Wankels, but the NSU Ro80 debacle and the 1973 fuel crisis put an end to all of them except Mazda.
wankel is way more powerful then otto engine.. compare both, wankel with 1.3L in RX8 and Otto 1.3L in one old car.. 250HP of wankel vs. under 90HP from Otto..
On video the part from 1:00 makes sound like in cartoones :D ANNN ANNN ANN :D
Well the wankel engines are a bit more reliable than normal piston engines, because they have generally 4 or 5 moving parts only. No valves, pistons, cylinders, anything to get worn out. Their weight is a lot less than normal engines. But they have less compression, which means less power per cubical centimeter. For example Mazda RX-8s are with factory wankel engines. Now you decide which is better.
Who needs torque and low end power when you can have 9000rpm into turns? Torque is an expression for diesel and V8 people who don't know roads progress beyond straight lines and that you don't need to pull a wagon around.
your another 1/2 tard that thinks rotary doesn't produce torque. if that mkes you happy to think that then keep on with it. only a rotary driver knows they do produce both hp and torque especially for their size. read some stats before you blab stupid shit.
for the size yes. most compare a wankel to a v8. if the v8 boys were smart they would actually be comparing a wankel 13b(1.3L) to lets say a chevy sprint 3 cyl also 1.3L. which one would win....... obviously the wankel engine now how they bash on us is mind blowing. a stock 13b turbo second gen rx7 vs a 5.0L mustang . the stang is going to lose against the rx7. ive been there and won so dont reply v8 lovers i already know which has more balls.
yeah they do produce torque, but only above 6k rpm where its fn useless... not to mention the godawful noise they make, it reminds me of sounds someone would make in the bathroom after bad mexican food.
you obviously don't know anything about rotary. the produce max torque at 3,500 rpm. the only time a rotary will see the torque at 6,000 would be a peripheral port where they usually see torque at 5,800rpm and max hp upwards of 11,000rpm. great for you that you don't like the sound of rotary. i wish i lived close to you so that i could wake you up every morning and every night. i also like piston engines but guys like you just make asses of yourself. its easy dont watch rotary videos........
I'll make sure to charge by the mile when your apex seals go right out the exhaust ports. Someone's gotta tow your now dead RX7 home, and a wankle just ain't got the lowend for that shit. :)
O, and don't pull the V8 lover card. I have an inline six.
explain how they suck as a dd? if you mantain a rotary it will last longer than you think. i know alot of people who dd mild and full bridgeports with no problem. now lets hear your story on why they suck for daily drivers. lmao...
They suck as a DD because they don't last. 150,000 miles is a very long lived rotary, whereas a piston engine is capable of 250K+. Mine is at 260K and still purrs like a kitten. A typical rotary lifespan is 100,000 miles, roughly half that of a typical piston engine at 200,000. Blame those stupid apex seals, they're the offenders.
my 1985 G 12a rx7 was great on fuel had 283,xxx kms when i sold it summer 2008. i can prove you wrong by experience. do you know why apex seals fail and what part of the seal causes it to fail? ill give you a start. apex seal failure is due to a bad tune or a old engine that has not been maintained properly as comes with any engine you do not take care of. when have you ever had a apex seal "offend" you? my last bridge port lasted me just under 200,000 kms untill a coolant seal shit the bed.
lol, 283,000 KM. IF you want to use Metric, let's convert the mileage on my Ford pickup to KM.
According to Google:
260 000 miles = 418 429.44 kilometers
When your RX7 hits 418,000 kilometers, you can say it can last as well as a piston engine.
O, and I happen to know of a guy who knows of a guy who had a Ford 300ci six that lasted half a million miles without a rebuild, and was only rebuilt because it was smoking like a twostroke. It still ran smooth as day one and pulled like an ox.
Rotaries are great for track day cars because engine longevity isn't as much a concern. They only have to last the length of a race, which is rarely over 3,000 miles, usually much much less.
Wanna know something else that causes Apex seals to fail? The job they have to do. They take the brunt of the direction changes the rotors have to do as well as sealing against combustion heat and pressure. They're going to fail faster than piston rings will, even if they're perfectly maintained.
older apex seals had an hardened leading edge that was 60C Brinnell. the back side facing the rotor of the apex seal was 40C Brinnell. like you said through the heat exchange, and direction change the OLD seals weakened. scince you cannot tell me the stock seals fail 99.9% of the time between the hardened and soft edge where the corner seal invites its way into the party. 13bs are now pushing 800+ hp and no they are not rebuilt every 4828.03kms (3000mi) unless a failure in tuning. suck it.
You'd rebuild it anyways, just like you would a piston engine, for peak power if it were a track car. Unless you want to lose on the straights, that is. They rebuild the engines in NASCAR after every race, even tho the engines still run fine, and F1 teams would do the same if the FIA would let them.
Let's see that 800HP 13b outlast an 800HP 460ci V8 on the street.
@TestECull Please don't open your mouth if you don't know what your talking about. The rotaries can last plenty long as well as their upkept correctly. 12a's are notorious for lasting 200-300k+. The only reason 13b's blow up so fast is because everything they come in is turbocharged. It's turbo'd. Of course its going to blow up, just like Nissan SR's, KA's, CA's, Honda B series, D series, etc. Everything turbo'd blows up.
Main three reasons: They don't last as well as a piston engine, they get shit emissions, and they get shit fuel economy.
Also, I wouldn't say everything turbo'd blows up. Dodge Cummins last great. Dodge 2.2L turbo fours last fine. 2300 Ford I4's last great when turbocharged.
Real mature, by the way, with the thumbs down ratings. Bravo.
@balls2yourface - I think everyone who ever bought a Mazda with the letters "RX" in its name would disagree with you. The main advantage of a Wankel is its strong power output from a relatively compact, lightweight engine. The downside is much less torque than a comparibly-powerful piston engine, leading to greater fuel consumption overall. There's no such thing as a free lunch with a Wankel rotary.
@JBofBrisbane That actual depends on what power level. Take a comparable effective displacement piston engine and tune it to the same sort of power and it will have similar fuel use to the rotary. Now account for the superior weight of the rotary and rev them hard (racing/flying) and the rotary will be more fuel efficient. This was one of the boons of the much talked about Rx787 race car I believe.
yeah i haven owned a 12A and 13B both non turbo and they both have quite alot of mileage on them.
rotaries are good engines if taken care of, its the rest of the car thats the problem haha. the engine is just about the only thing i havent had problems with in both my rx7's
they just have a bad reputation because they are NOT like piston engines, they require special treatment and can be very picky especially in cold temps or if you do not understand how they work.
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Thats the dumbest engine test I've ever seen performed. Nobody is holding the aircraft. Theres a fuel line hanging inches away from the prop. The airplane MOVES and he still revs it up and doesn't stop the engine. OP, please kill yourself before you kill someone at the flying field.
Kudos to the Pawelebay dude for the video. What a sweet engine it is. I agree with 2tonne - if you wankers want to argue about gas prices, buy a friggen Wankel - way more fuel efficient than those bloody Dinosaurs you're driving today. Or turn your bloody heaters/aircond/house lights off for one lousy hour - you'll save more than this thing uses in ten years. Get a grip on yourselves. Tossers....
holy shit guys, i just finished a awesome ass video of a very small wankel engine in an rc plane and thought, holy shit!!thats sweet!!! than i scroll down to the page expecting comments like "awesome!!or "holy shit thats small for a rotary motor" but all i see is this bullshit about us gas prices being a conspiracy, thats bullshit! this is a video of a fuckin engine in a rc plane and you assholes with no life turn it into an arguement,watch the fuckin video pricks,comment on it!not gas prices!!
That's wild -- it sounds like a micro-sized Mazda 787B! I had no idea that the Wankel had made it to R/C vehicles (which just shows how out of the loop I am).
Just because you own a EV doesnt mean to say that you will never have to replace parts common you know thats not true. Any sane human/person Knows that this is the joy of owning a vehicle wether it be a EV or Combustable engined vehicle.
@ JPEC: U may still be able 2 drive an EV sooner than u realize. State-of-art batteries can be recharged in < 10 mins-- & a charge only costs maybe $2 or $3-- hi-speed chargers in the desert between cities is fully practical. If u can save $200. or more each trip, even if it meant making an extra stop to recharge, I'm sure you'd make the change! (cont)
@JPEC: EVs are still in their infancy-- the batteries already have good range, but several different technologies may be able to extend range to 500 miles or more. Another approach is special charge lanes every 50 miles or so, using induction to recharge specially equipped EVs so that you could get charge even without stopping. The answers are there if we are sufficiently creative and motivated.
U have no choice but 2 use EVs soon! China & India R making 1000's of cars a day for their own ppl that always used bicycles B4! BILLIONS of people! Gasoline production is already dropping dramatically! For 50 yrs gas was under $.25/ gal... $.50 in 1973... took more than 10 yrs to go to $1-- $2./gal abt 8 yrs later-- passed $3./gal. about 1 yr ago and will hit $4/gal by next yr-- how long B4 only the rich can afford to drive a Civic? R U kidding yrself?!
billdale, just calm down. If you don't like what's in the clip then just piss off. Do you honestly thing that people who watch this are interested in anything you could possibly have to say?
THIS IS FOR ALL THE HOBBYIESTS OUT THERE..... Billdale your a Fuck wit and a loser. People like you spoil the fun for people like me and others who like building models and people that are into anything R/C. Get a life and stop complaining and
go back to green peace were you belong!
Ow one more thing. If you are so concerned about the pollution in the world what about the methain gas that cows produce? answer that one billdale you dumbass.......
OMFG! ITS ADORABLE! wher did oyu get this? lol my friend would flip shit to find this ahahh he love rotories! god bless mazda for having the ball to use them XD
Just for a notice, the wankel-engine run in this video is run on "regular"- glowplug gas. That is, something like 15% synthetic oil, 10-15% nitro and the rest ethanol.
This is a standard fuel for any glow engine, and doesn't produce more pollution because it's a wankel. However, this engine consumes like a .60-engine, produces power like a .40-.50-engine and the size is just like a .30-engine.
In other words, this is a special engine producing a lot of power for its size.
I like the idle as well as the full throttle sound; very cool! Do all of your Wankels throw that much oil smoke at full throttle!? Two of my Mazda rotaries didn't smoke that bad!
A123 Systems has a number of new batteries that make R/C much more convenient. Rapid recharge, no noise to annoy neighbors, no pollution... even a tiny engine like that OS, which has no smog system, puts out as much or more pollution than 100 cars. Battery power is more reliable, and you can fly immediately without warm-up... no cans of fluids, engine starters, etc.
More pollution than 100 cars... right... Get your brain examined.
It's not about convenience here, it's about soul. Electric engines have no soul, period. It's the sound and smell of a reciprocating internal combustion engine that makes the emotion. I will NEVER buy an electric engine for a model or a normal car, instead I'd buy an engine running hydrogen but with the wonderful sound included. I think most non-electric fliers here feel the same.
flexyco: R U serious?!! it's an ENGINE-- a HUNK of METAL spinning on a shaft! SOUL?!! Get out of yr fantasy, my friend.
It's not an electric "engine"... it's an electric MOTOR.
Good luck trying 2 buy hydrogen (H)-- I can get electricity anywhere. There r 100's of people driving battery powered EVs in Los Angeles, & more EVs every day, & dozens of public charging stations here... (cont)
flexyco cont 1: but there R only 2 or 3 places N the entire US where u can even fuel a H powered car, & that is unlikely 2 ever increase significantly.
H is pitiful-- $12. per gallon-- only 40% as much energy per gallon compared 2 gasoline, it needs thick, heavy, expensive storage cylinders that do not make efficient use of onboard space, it needs cryogenic temps & 1000's of lbs of pressure 2 store, & boils off rapidly-- u lose about half of it in 2 weeks-- (cont)
flexyco (cont) "More pollution than 100 cars... right... Get your brain examined."
U R obviously delusional, or blind! look at the video! The engine exhaust is so sooty and thick u can't even see thru the smoke! Within seconds, the plane body is dripping with toxic chemicals! It leaves blue smoke 20 feet behind the plane!
Start any modern car with pollution controls, let it idle until it is at operating temp, & set a glass plate up to the exhaust... (cont.)
flexyco (cont 4): run it for 100 X as long as it took 2 get the sides of the plane soaked-- about 2 mins.-- I can guarantee u that it will not have any noticeable condensate on it... so don't tell me that your little plane is not spewing enuf pollutants 2 put an entire elementary school N2 an asthma attack.
So explain 2 me why u r so rabidly terrified of EVs? Sorry, I didn't get it. An EV is far more powerful than a gas-powered car, only costs about a penny per mile for electricity, (cont)
Nukl34rDing0: Yr absolutely right! U never get 2 do any oil changes, tune-ups, valve jobs, filter changes, head jobs, etc., etc... almost no maintenance even after years-- just one moving part. You don't even get to pay any big gas bills. But as gas prices skyrocket with quickly dwindling oil supplies, expect the use of EVs to skyrocket as well. Not even morons like yourself will be able to afford to drive a gas guzzler B4 too long.
Billdale1, have you lost your mind? Is that what environmentalism does to people? Yes, I agree electric power is nice in many ways, but it's not the only way to power a vehicle. Show me an affordable electric SUV that can go 300 miles on a charge at 70 mph and recharge in 5 minutes and then I'll say you're making a bit more sense.
@ ccoraxfan: An EV does not need 2 B recharged N 5 mins. N order 2 completely change the way the world gets from A to B. Even if they cud only recharge N an hr, they could still serve the needs of 90% of urban commuters, so long as they could go more than 100 miles on a charge: they can be recharged at night easily & V cheaply at nite-- rather than today's cars costing an average of $.30/mile on clogged fwys, an EV costs less than a penny per mile. (cont.)
Im From Australia Billdale1 its not economical to run EV's in my Country! the reason being is that most of our major citys are more than 6 hours (1500 kilometers away - 62miles = 100kilometers) from each other and a EV just doesnt have that kind of range a combustable engine does. (cont)
That is why i cannot go the EV route. Ok EV's are okay if you live in the city yes but if you drive from city to city which i do my self the only option for me is to drive a combustable engine powered vehicle. (cont)
Cont Also here is a point to bring up? if Electric motors are so grand why dont they use them for international aircraft such as jets and planes? EV powered will always be around yes i agree on that but they will never take over a combustable engine as its not feasiable to do so on a mass scale.
Also billdale having a EV you still have to replace parts. There are Consumable parts such as tyres, brake pads, wheel bearings, tie rod ends, windsreen wiper Blades and a whole list of other parts. (cont)
@ JPEC: Of course! There will be suspension parts, wiper blades, etc., but an EV requires far less maintenance-- no oil changes, tune-ups, filter changes, belt replacements, mufflers, catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, valve jobs-- most EVs today don't even use transmissions, gears or clutches. Tranny repairs & maintenance is usually a major expense. (cont.)
The only EV's ive seen in Australia is the honda (ACURA IN USA) prototype that was a hybrid (electric and combustable engined car working in conjunction with each other) and the Toyota prius which works on the same princple.
Do u really xpect gas 2 stay under $4/gal for more than a year? Do u realize China has been building 15,000 cars per DAY? Almost no Chinese used 2 have cars-- India is same story-- how long u think the current gas supply will last? We MUST swith 2 EVs B4 it is 2 late. State-of the-art EV batteries can be recharged in 10 mins, as proven by Aerovironment for Calif. Air Resources Board (CARB) May of this yr (google it.) (cont.)
@JPEC: google PML Flightlink in UK... they have a very compact, powerful "hub motor" that can even give a Mini Cooper 640 HP, with no moving parts other than the wheels-- the motors are in the wheels-- no trans., drive shaft, differential, axles... saving 100's of lbs of weight and removing the need for drive shaft tunnels and trans. humps, giving greater interior leg room & flatter floors... super fast car-- 155 mph & still costs less than a penny per mile (cont)
@ JPEC: we have salt lakes not far from me where they also do high-speed runs to attempt world records... have seen some of these vehicles but never saw a record attempt... I did use to race motorcycles when I was in college, would like to race again w/ EVs since they have XLNT torque @ 0 RPM, and no shifting... I want 2 visit OZ sometime, see friends there
@ JPEC: There have been electric planes... very expensive so far... whole body covered with solar panels... one set a record staying aloft for days, but I don't remember how long-- built by Alan Cocconi as I recall, of AC Propulsion. Google Sonex electric plane, too: a 2-passenger electric plane conversion.
@ ccoraxfan: wat u think is the answer, Einstein? 2 continue using gasoline until the streets grind 2 a halt? Or maybe use ethanol? If we converted ALL arable land in the US to corn production, it still cud not make enuf ethanol! Every sq. ft of land on earth gets 277.8 watts of pwr. New flexible, thin-film solar panels frm. Nanosolar R V hi efficncy, only cost $.30/watt, can cover an entire roof affordably. (cont.)
@ ccraxfan: Nanosolar panels. called Powersheet, are already in massive production-- 30 feet per minute-- they will B able 2 cover 100,000 homes/yr w/ current factory, even more if they build more factories. Each home, if it has a storage battery, can run w/out any pwr from grid, rechrge an EV, & still sell pwr back 2 the grid. NanoSafe batteries frm Altair Nanotech will last for decades. 4 small stuff such as laptops, can be recharged in < min. when devices R designed 4 them. (cont.)
So don't humiliate yrself by asking if I have lost my mind! He who laughs last laughs best! Phoenix EV is the size of an Escalade, very powerful & fast, 5 passengers, lots of cargo space, only 1 moving part in drive train-- no transmission-- $45,000-- 250 mile range-- < 10 min. recharge-- < $.03 per mile to charge if u don't have yr own solar panels-- they have a waiting list of over 1 yr in this country (cont.)
Billdale, I actually agree with you about much of what you're saying - electric vehicles would be great, IF you can improve the storage of electricity to allow their use beyond daily urban commuting. I live in a rural area approximately 300 miles from Detroit, the nearest major city. [continued]
An electric vehicle would need to be charged at least twice to make that trip, and with the typical EV taking hours to recharge, it becomes totally impractical. If we adequate super capacitors or similar fast charging, high-density storage, EVs would be much more useful. [continued]
As for my comment wondering about your sanity, I refer to your statements about how much pollution you think is being produced by this little R/C airplane in comparison to automobiles.
I fail to see how inserting an electric drive train can make that much of a difference in the pollution output of an internal combustion engine. The power still comes from the engine, which pollutes as it runs. The only thing changed is the duty cycle, and I understand that hybrids only get better mileage in stop-and-go city driving, but actually get worse mileage on the highway.
I think the best is single application cars. A small, light, electric, emission free( acoustic and toxic gases) for the cities and a big, fast, safe, gas car for travel. Is almost impossible get a vehicle good this two different situations.
There has been much progress in rechargeables. The Altair NanoSafe and the A123 Systems batteries both can be recharged in less than 10 minutes... there are others as well.
I am not a huge fan of hybrids-- I want to see full EVs-- but hybrids can still reduce pollution dramatically since their engines run at a constant speed, which allows optimization rather than having to work well @ a wide range of speeds and loads.
Long charging is still rarely a prob, since most drivers can recharge @ nyt.
ccoraxfan(cont.): Drivers are willing to work around small inconveniences with EVs since it means much cheaper operating expenses-- about 1/10th overall-- no long stops @ gas stations, no oil changes, tune-ups, air filters, oil filters, less brake maintenance due to "regen", etc. All that maintenance takes lots of time, so EVs save you on that. And EVs use no foreign oil-- they can be recharged from many cleaan renewable sources such as solar, wind, hydro-- so no money to Saudi Arabia who...
ccoraxfan(cont.) ... who financed the 9/11 terrorists, yet we R so addicted 2 their oil that we still do business with them. The billions we send them 2day pay 4 the IEDs that are killing our troops 2day in Iraq. The Bush administration wants to ignore that. We MUST stop giving our enemies the money they need to finance Al Qaeda.
Fuel cars pollute @ the refineries where their gas is made, when tanker trux deliver their fuel 2 gas stations, & when they drive on the street. Not so with EVs.
I really wish there was an affordable EV option available for people such as myself. I have to drive long distances every day and spend the vast majority of my money on gas for my vehicle, and the price just keeps going up. I also despise the fact that my money is going to support my enemies, and that petroleum is being essentially wasted in inefficient vehicles when it could be put to much better use, such as material for useful things like plastics and even pavement rather than fuel.
Because electricity can be generated from so many diverse sources, including wind, solar, hydro, geothermal and other non-polluting sources, as well as low-pollution sources like nuclear and natural gas, this makes electricity among the best sources of energy. The only problem it has is lack of portability. Hey, it would even be worth it, as I see it, to string lines over major highways and use automated pantographs to supply power for long-distance travelers.
Well the US supplies 70% of its own oil so it's not all going to terrorists. Also about 60% of electricity is made by use of fossil fuels, so those "So many" ways of producing don't do that much really. And Geothermal is a heat source, not electricity.
krankiev... where did you get the idea that the US supplies 70% of its own oil? According to information anyone can read on the DOE's website, on April 25 this year we produced 5,098,000 barrels of crude, and the same day we imported 10,215,000 barrels, or a little more than twice as much as we produced, so we supply about 33% of our own oil. Our largest importer is Canada (good, our friends and neighbors), our second largest is Saudi Arabia (bad, they fund terrorist activities).
As for electricity, I was talking about its flexibility and potential, not how it's currently underutilized. We can quite easily increase the number of clean sources of electricity. Electricity is a good source, and can be better than it is. And as for your statement about geothermal, I suggest you google "geothermal power" and educate yourself.
I heard the same numbers we get 70% domestically, the rest from over seas. It may be that when they use that 70% number they are talking about all sources in North America, I know we get a lot from Mexico, so the differences may be in the definitions used to describe "Domestic" oil. Either way we should be doing more, drill in ANWR, off the coast, and reduce consumption, work on bio fuels, nuclear, clean coal. ALL OF IT together.
flexyco (cont 5)...will never need an oil change, tune-up, fan belts, thermostats, air filters, oil filters, never need a blown head gasket replaced-- never need a smog test. It's not noisy, won't make u def w/out a muffler, & so that's why yr having a hissy fit? Cool... keep spending an arm & a leg on yr fuels, tune-ups, parts replacements, & labor expenses, keep paying Saudi Arabia & Iran the $ they need 2 fund terrorism, & I'll do what's SANE... I'll drive an EV.
The reason is very simple: I love the music of a multi cilinder four stroke petrol engine. I often sleep with the sound of propellors and WW2 radial engines. complex combinations of frequencies that pulsate, combine and split in such a fashion that they resonate in the brain. An electric motor cannot produce such sounds, so I will never enjoy it. The sound of the engine is one of the most important factors for me in buying a car.
Ever heard a BRM 1,5 liter V16 formula one car from 1953? Something all the electric motors in the world cannot produce. But i was born with the love for such sounds, not everyone has it. Anyway, the love is strong enough to be willing to live with the hassle of all the parts replacements (as if batteries last for ever :) ), tune ups, labor expenses (none in my case) and funding terrorists.
I respect you and your vision, but I'll never love the electric motor as a way to propell a vehicle as much as the way the old stinky and noisy inefficient way does.
BTW I'm not a great fan of the engine used in this movie, this rotary uses far more oil than modern rotaries mounted in cars. The sound is less interesting too. It looks gorgeous though...
Oh and I have asthma (not as a result of) but never had breathing problems due to normal traffic. This plane cannot produce the same amount of pollutants of even a small motorcycle in absolute sense for two simple facts. One: it's much smaller and Two: it's used far less
All anyone has to do is see the huge plumes of smoke behind the plane in the video! Motorcycles today don't leave any visible plume at all! Ozone causes asthma attacks in concentrations as small as .060 parts per BILLION... that is far too small to even be SEEN with the naked eye-- when sunlight hits those huge plumes of blue smoke from that little tiny plane it forms toxins that are far more potent, ruining the air quality for miles around. Go crawl under a rock.
when I came back to this page earlier, YouTube is glitchy and had only posted your last comment. I'm glad to know that you at least are happier to have something that uses less oil.
I was entranced by the simplicity of the Wankel many years ago when it was new to the American public, and still like it in many ways, but I'm just too concerned with the environmental and health problems with ICEs. I'm going to try to send you an email... this is too much of a hassle.
It has a truly unique idle sound!
Streamliner009 4 months ago
Some 30 years ago i bought a used os wankel that had been running on 20% oil mix. I was running it on 3% belray oil (mixes with methanol) and that gave som 17% more of methanol. Then i added 5% nitro and that lovered the idle to a minimum of rpm, And it was really easy to start. Then i tried 15%nitro and the power went up like hell. At 20%nitro my chipmunk took off standing on its tail,like a rocket. After aboute 2 hours flight the model exploaded up in the air. And the G-forses ended my plane.
hakan8997 9 months ago
can wankel engines work with compressed air also?
Allexxx96Reloaded 9 months ago
I'm selling a brand new OS Wankel engine on ebay! Item #290549915429. It's up to $175.00, which is an awesome deal. check it out!
Turbulence654321 10 months ago
@Turbulence654321
That's a beauty you're selling! That's the first model with a side intake port instead of the later periphery-ported ones.
You ought to get well payed for one with it original packaging. If you would offer it for me for $175 I would buy it from you in a heartbeat ;)
Good luck with your sale!
pawelebay 9 months ago
@pawelebay
thanks
I didn't know that about the ports. It probably will go for more than 175, but im not 100% sure
Turbulence654321 9 months ago
I retract my previous statement I didn't look close enough
sebaskarenjay 11 months ago
@sebaskarenjay
Noone likes to be called stupid, especially what you know what you do. But thanks for the retract and hoped you enjoied the low quality film ;)
pawelebay 11 months ago
@pawelebay sorry about that i'm just used to people not knowing what they are talking about thought you were one of them sorry again
sebaskarenjay 11 months ago
@sebaskarenjay
Thank you for your recognition. I have to ask though. Just checked your channel.Saw a V12 model engine. Is that something you are working on?
pawelebay 11 months ago
@pawelebay no just something i like to watch i am working on my own engine but that's not the one. my first one is almost done it's a scale 350 chevy
sebaskarenjay 11 months ago
that's not a wankel that's a radial engine stupid
sebaskarenjay 11 months ago
Lol it actually sounds like someone saying vrooom vrooom vroom.
pizzashint 1 year ago
Go to 0:56, close your eyes and imagine someone imitating a motor with his voice :)
gdanceo 1 year ago
79chab 1 year ago
This the third video in a row i've watched where the plain stayed on the ground, does no-one fly these things anymore?
braddeicide 1 year ago
@braddeicide - check out the other videos in pawelebay's collection.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
Gotta love those wankels!!!
sailordiver2007 1 year ago
braap braap braap braap
ih8v8s 1 year ago
how much dose it cost to get one of those motors
monsterink101 1 year ago
that is one sweet motor!! small fourstroke power and sounds super cool.. i need one bad
2007dalin 1 year ago
@2007dalin actually rotorys are actually more like a 2 stroke but there actually a one stroke since it does everything in one stroke
Quentonwall 1 year ago
Only Mazda use them because they OWN THE RIGHTS TO MANUFACTURE THEM!!!
DUH!
I've had several 12a rotaries,both turbo and non turbo,last well over 300,00km's.
Using good,mineral oil,like Mazdas own rotary engine oil and regular services are the key.
Engines that can rev to 9000rpm are much more fun than one that only revs to 5000rpm.
Grow a brain...
FasterLouder 2 years ago
@FasterLouder Madza is not the only producer of rotaries because they own the rights to them. Mazda does not own the rights. Mazda also never designed the rotary. Wankel designed the rotary. BMW made rotaries, so did Rolls Royce and a few other smaller companies.
mustangified 1 year ago
@mustangified
Smaller companies like Chevrolet and Mercedes Benz... There was even a rotary-powered Corvette show car.
Eggynatey 1 year ago
O.S Wanker
hasanjohnh 2 years ago
what is it with all these retards who live for drama on youtube? if you dont like rotary then watch some ftlb/hp v8s. any engine that produces power makes me happy. then again i have matured unlike most of you drama kings that forgot they have graduated over 5+ years ago. get a life slackers.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
Not meaning to cause uproar but if call the viewers of this video slackers for watching rc plane wankels, then YTF are you watching it, but rotaries last for ever if well looked after, my dad had a rx3 for 14 years
rm125srule 2 years ago
if you read it properly i was talking to the kids on here who are drama kings that need to grow up. that is awesome your dad had a rx3! they are the rx2s big brother ahha.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
That's a rotary right? Did an RX8 poop the engine out for you?
lol
candle3k 2 years ago
The way I understand it, the main advantage of a Wankel rotary is a fair slab of power in a small, light package. The downside is there's no such thing as a free lunch; that extra power comes at the expense of extra fuel consumed. Rotaries are also down on torque compared to similarly-powerful piston engines. Lots of car companies once had licences to develop their own Wankels, but the NSU Ro80 debacle and the 1973 fuel crisis put an end to all of them except Mazda.
JBofBrisbane 2 years ago 2
Saw one of those engines in a pusher speed model once, it was very fast !
F3Aflyer 2 years ago
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don't want hit
liteboy2004 2 years ago
no way. . . AHH THIS IS TIGHT!
buhrrito 2 years ago
the rotary engine is so genius!
chabbalato 2 years ago
How fuel efficient is the engine? Do you get a longer flight time with that versus a regular piston engine?
emidgley 2 years ago
nope, that 30 wankel makes "40 sized power" but w/ 60 sized fuel consumption
aka they are not knows for their efficency, but they are known for their h.p.
JimmyJames2131 2 years ago
ohh man nice engine
revorider1990 2 years ago
The plane is an ARF-model manufactured by Back Horse Models named DIABLO 3d.
The motor runs on 70% methanol, 10% nitromethane and 20% Aerosynth3 (synthetic oil)
However the manufacture recommendes Castor Oil, but I never used that.
pawelebay 2 years ago
try 1% acetone in the mix for better atomization and significantly reduced fuel adhesion (more complete combustion)
chabbalato 2 years ago
@pawelebay yeah every engine that I've seen built for castor oil that wasn't run off it usually prematurely gets damaged.
d0rkiishchris 1 year ago
what fuel does it need?
methanol? how much oil? and what oil?
thanks for an answer!
Krusti600 2 years ago
what is it name this aeroplane?
netykik806 2 years ago
forgot to mention... regular 4 stroke OTTO makes BOOM at every second revolution.. WANKEL makes three BOOMS in one rovolution ;)
michael9515 2 years ago 3
not quite, the crank spins at 1/3 the rate of the rotor, so its really 1:2 rather than 1:6
xTheUnderscorex 2 years ago
wankel is way more powerful then otto engine.. compare both, wankel with 1.3L in RX8 and Otto 1.3L in one old car.. 250HP of wankel vs. under 90HP from Otto..
On video the part from 1:00 makes sound like in cartoones :D ANNN ANNN ANN :D
michael9515 2 years ago
Sounds like someone going REEUUNN REUUN
as a voice
SEGnosis 2 years ago
Well the wankel engines are a bit more reliable than normal piston engines, because they have generally 4 or 5 moving parts only. No valves, pistons, cylinders, anything to get worn out. Their weight is a lot less than normal engines. But they have less compression, which means less power per cubical centimeter. For example Mazda RX-8s are with factory wankel engines. Now you decide which is better.
BrainStirmKZ 2 years ago
Less compression? The RX-8 engine has 11:1. And 235 horsepower on 1,3 litre, what are you talking about :P
neXib 2 years ago
they also have no torque or low end power... keep that in consideration
Gfok3 2 years ago
Who needs torque and low end power when you can have 9000rpm into turns? Torque is an expression for diesel and V8 people who don't know roads progress beyond straight lines and that you don't need to pull a wagon around.
neXib 2 years ago 3
your another 1/2 tard that thinks rotary doesn't produce torque. if that mkes you happy to think that then keep on with it. only a rotary driver knows they do produce both hp and torque especially for their size. read some stats before you blab stupid shit.
sh3lbot 2 years ago 2
are wankel engines more powerful than normal engines?
veikkaappa 2 years ago
for the size yes. most compare a wankel to a v8. if the v8 boys were smart they would actually be comparing a wankel 13b(1.3L) to lets say a chevy sprint 3 cyl also 1.3L. which one would win....... obviously the wankel engine now how they bash on us is mind blowing. a stock 13b turbo second gen rx7 vs a 5.0L mustang . the stang is going to lose against the rx7. ive been there and won so dont reply v8 lovers i already know which has more balls.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
yeah they do produce torque, but only above 6k rpm where its fn useless... not to mention the godawful noise they make, it reminds me of sounds someone would make in the bathroom after bad mexican food.
Gfok3 2 years ago
you obviously don't know anything about rotary. the produce max torque at 3,500 rpm. the only time a rotary will see the torque at 6,000 would be a peripheral port where they usually see torque at 5,800rpm and max hp upwards of 11,000rpm. great for you that you don't like the sound of rotary. i wish i lived close to you so that i could wake you up every morning and every night. i also like piston engines but guys like you just make asses of yourself. its easy dont watch rotary videos........
sh3lbot 2 years ago 5
Why doesn't everyone have one then, i bet u the power to weight ratio of a wankel would even win it the league in fuel efficiency?
Drinutdi 2 years ago
not everyone has one because of people like you. hate hate hate! i don't care what you like or don't like.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
Well said.
o0oReFLexo0o 2 years ago
thanks :)
sh3lbot 2 years ago
Cool story, brah.
I'll make sure to charge by the mile when your apex seals go right out the exhaust ports. Someone's gotta tow your now dead RX7 home, and a wankle just ain't got the lowend for that shit. :)
O, and don't pull the V8 lover card. I have an inline six.
TestECull 2 years ago
Rotaries are great on track day vehicles. They suck for daily drivers.
TestECull 2 years ago
explain how they suck as a dd? if you mantain a rotary it will last longer than you think. i know alot of people who dd mild and full bridgeports with no problem. now lets hear your story on why they suck for daily drivers. lmao...
sh3lbot 2 years ago
They suck as a DD because they don't last. 150,000 miles is a very long lived rotary, whereas a piston engine is capable of 250K+. Mine is at 260K and still purrs like a kitten. A typical rotary lifespan is 100,000 miles, roughly half that of a typical piston engine at 200,000. Blame those stupid apex seals, they're the offenders.
TestECull 2 years ago
my 1985 G 12a rx7 was great on fuel had 283,xxx kms when i sold it summer 2008. i can prove you wrong by experience. do you know why apex seals fail and what part of the seal causes it to fail? ill give you a start. apex seal failure is due to a bad tune or a old engine that has not been maintained properly as comes with any engine you do not take care of. when have you ever had a apex seal "offend" you? my last bridge port lasted me just under 200,000 kms untill a coolant seal shit the bed.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
lol, 283,000 KM. IF you want to use Metric, let's convert the mileage on my Ford pickup to KM.
According to Google:
260 000 miles = 418 429.44 kilometers
When your RX7 hits 418,000 kilometers, you can say it can last as well as a piston engine.
O, and I happen to know of a guy who knows of a guy who had a Ford 300ci six that lasted half a million miles without a rebuild, and was only rebuilt because it was smoking like a twostroke. It still ran smooth as day one and pulled like an ox.
TestECull 2 years ago
Rotaries are great for track day cars because engine longevity isn't as much a concern. They only have to last the length of a race, which is rarely over 3,000 miles, usually much much less.
Wanna know something else that causes Apex seals to fail? The job they have to do. They take the brunt of the direction changes the rotors have to do as well as sealing against combustion heat and pressure. They're going to fail faster than piston rings will, even if they're perfectly maintained.
TestECull 2 years ago
older apex seals had an hardened leading edge that was 60C Brinnell. the back side facing the rotor of the apex seal was 40C Brinnell. like you said through the heat exchange, and direction change the OLD seals weakened. scince you cannot tell me the stock seals fail 99.9% of the time between the hardened and soft edge where the corner seal invites its way into the party. 13bs are now pushing 800+ hp and no they are not rebuilt every 4828.03kms (3000mi) unless a failure in tuning. suck it.
sh3lbot 2 years ago
You'd rebuild it anyways, just like you would a piston engine, for peak power if it were a track car. Unless you want to lose on the straights, that is. They rebuild the engines in NASCAR after every race, even tho the engines still run fine, and F1 teams would do the same if the FIA would let them.
Let's see that 800HP 13b outlast an 800HP 460ci V8 on the street.
TestECull 2 years ago
@TestECull Please don't open your mouth if you don't know what your talking about. The rotaries can last plenty long as well as their upkept correctly. 12a's are notorious for lasting 200-300k+. The only reason 13b's blow up so fast is because everything they come in is turbocharged. It's turbo'd. Of course its going to blow up, just like Nissan SR's, KA's, CA's, Honda B series, D series, etc. Everything turbo'd blows up.
g14novak 2 years ago
Then explain why noone but Mazda uses them.
Main three reasons: They don't last as well as a piston engine, they get shit emissions, and they get shit fuel economy.
Also, I wouldn't say everything turbo'd blows up. Dodge Cummins last great. Dodge 2.2L turbo fours last fine. 2300 Ford I4's last great when turbocharged.
Real mature, by the way, with the thumbs down ratings. Bravo.
TestECull 2 years ago
@TestECull your fucking reterted rotary engines are much more fuel efficent then pistons but i love piston engines.
balls2yourface 1 year ago
@balls2yourface - I think everyone who ever bought a Mazda with the letters "RX" in its name would disagree with you. The main advantage of a Wankel is its strong power output from a relatively compact, lightweight engine. The downside is much less torque than a comparibly-powerful piston engine, leading to greater fuel consumption overall. There's no such thing as a free lunch with a Wankel rotary.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
@JBofBrisbane That actual depends on what power level. Take a comparable effective displacement piston engine and tune it to the same sort of power and it will have similar fuel use to the rotary. Now account for the superior weight of the rotary and rev them hard (racing/flying) and the rotary will be more fuel efficient. This was one of the boons of the much talked about Rx787 race car I believe.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
yeah i haven owned a 12A and 13B both non turbo and they both have quite alot of mileage on them.
rotaries are good engines if taken care of, its the rest of the car thats the problem haha. the engine is just about the only thing i havent had problems with in both my rx7's
they just have a bad reputation because they are NOT like piston engines, they require special treatment and can be very picky especially in cold temps or if you do not understand how they work.
Cordtus 2 years ago
HOLY CRAP!!
RidingSausage 2 years ago
how relible is that engine is the engine
anthacdc 3 years ago
insane RPM, nice
didrikborkhus 3 years ago
too cool
redmight93 3 years ago
too bad they cost f**king $500 or $300 for one
30GB 3 years ago
Man, that is one fast reving little engine. that is a wankel for you.
Mechanic1988 3 years ago
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Thats the dumbest engine test I've ever seen performed. Nobody is holding the aircraft. Theres a fuel line hanging inches away from the prop. The airplane MOVES and he still revs it up and doesn't stop the engine. OP, please kill yourself before you kill someone at the flying field.
wicho661 3 years ago
dumd engine test but not dumb engine, right?
Drinutdi 3 years ago 11
guy 1:hey look its a diablo.
guy2:where!!
guy 3:see in the sky.
guy 2:i thought it was a lamborghini.
guy 1:well then you a dumbass.
thesecretfox1 3 years ago
Not quite...too high pitched.
sheik480 3 years ago
a wankle , fuel efficient..lol...
dabigjokeoftheday 3 years ago
lol, who said that??? haha
therockeronner 3 years ago
O MY GOD i AM IN LOVE WITH THE SOUND MAN
leviterande 3 years ago
Nice Engine dont like the pipe
Bader88 3 years ago
Kudos to the Pawelebay dude for the video. What a sweet engine it is. I agree with 2tonne - if you wankers want to argue about gas prices, buy a friggen Wankel - way more fuel efficient than those bloody Dinosaurs you're driving today. Or turn your bloody heaters/aircond/house lights off for one lousy hour - you'll save more than this thing uses in ten years. Get a grip on yourselves. Tossers....
Quokka57 3 years ago
holy shit guys, i just finished a awesome ass video of a very small wankel engine in an rc plane and thought, holy shit!!thats sweet!!! than i scroll down to the page expecting comments like "awesome!!or "holy shit thats small for a rotary motor" but all i see is this bullshit about us gas prices being a conspiracy, thats bullshit! this is a video of a fuckin engine in a rc plane and you assholes with no life turn it into an arguement,watch the fuckin video pricks,comment on it!not gas prices!!
2tonnecaprice 3 years ago 17
Plans..Os owns them,,,
THey are in Japan and lock and key only!...
kochj0713 3 years ago
that is too cool
carlosr428 3 years ago
Are there plans for this small rotary engine?
cheaphardwarez 3 years ago
That's wild -- it sounds like a micro-sized Mazda 787B! I had no idea that the Wankel had made it to R/C vehicles (which just shows how out of the loop I am).
BarracksSi 4 years ago 7
thats scary jus how similar it sounds...
10eleven 4 years ago
hi how long is the life span in that engine last thinking to buy one , dose a piston one last longer
trout2006 4 years ago
this engine will last longer for sure because it uses rings
30GB 4 years ago
Just because you own a EV doesnt mean to say that you will never have to replace parts common you know thats not true. Any sane human/person Knows that this is the joy of owning a vehicle wether it be a EV or Combustable engined vehicle.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
@ JPEC: U may still be able 2 drive an EV sooner than u realize. State-of-art batteries can be recharged in < 10 mins-- & a charge only costs maybe $2 or $3-- hi-speed chargers in the desert between cities is fully practical. If u can save $200. or more each trip, even if it meant making an extra stop to recharge, I'm sure you'd make the change! (cont)
billdale1 4 years ago
@JPEC: EVs are still in their infancy-- the batteries already have good range, but several different technologies may be able to extend range to 500 miles or more. Another approach is special charge lanes every 50 miles or so, using induction to recharge specially equipped EVs so that you could get charge even without stopping. The answers are there if we are sufficiently creative and motivated.
billdale1 4 years ago
yes, so forget the toys..
videomaxwell 3 years ago
no probs pawelebay. just cant stand people like billdale1 who are pathetic.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
U have no choice but 2 use EVs soon! China & India R making 1000's of cars a day for their own ppl that always used bicycles B4! BILLIONS of people! Gasoline production is already dropping dramatically! For 50 yrs gas was under $.25/ gal... $.50 in 1973... took more than 10 yrs to go to $1-- $2./gal abt 8 yrs later-- passed $3./gal. about 1 yr ago and will hit $4/gal by next yr-- how long B4 only the rich can afford to drive a Civic? R U kidding yrself?!
billdale1 4 years ago
billdale, just calm down. If you don't like what's in the clip then just piss off. Do you honestly thing that people who watch this are interested in anything you could possibly have to say?
TheFartenator 4 years ago
is that the extreame 3D
electricdixie34 4 years ago
Thanks JPECaterham
pawelebay 4 years ago
pawelebay your plane rocks dude! big thumbs up man
JPECaterham 4 years ago
THIS IS FOR ALL THE HOBBYIESTS OUT THERE..... Billdale your a Fuck wit and a loser. People like you spoil the fun for people like me and others who like building models and people that are into anything R/C. Get a life and stop complaining and
go back to green peace were you belong!
Ow one more thing. If you are so concerned about the pollution in the world what about the methain gas that cows produce? answer that one billdale you dumbass.......
JPECaterham 4 years ago
EVS are boring and efficient..until a battery explodes ..then not boring
oldtilter 4 years ago
diesel radial mmmmmm
dieselislife 4 years ago
diesel?
you so sure about that mr. diesel himself?
sounds like the typical wankel grunt to me ; )
Nukl34rDing0 4 years ago
OMFG! ITS ADORABLE! wher did oyu get this? lol my friend would flip shit to find this ahahh he love rotories! god bless mazda for having the ball to use them XD
phenixkell 4 years ago
Just for a notice, the wankel-engine run in this video is run on "regular"- glowplug gas. That is, something like 15% synthetic oil, 10-15% nitro and the rest ethanol.
This is a standard fuel for any glow engine, and doesn't produce more pollution because it's a wankel. However, this engine consumes like a .60-engine, produces power like a .40-.50-engine and the size is just like a .30-engine.
In other words, this is a special engine producing a lot of power for its size.
pawelebay 4 years ago
The Diablo is now airborn. Check out my vids, URL doesn't work here.
pawelebay 4 years ago
jewel
giannisxxx 4 years ago
COOL!
andrewwwcomv8 4 years ago
I like the idle as well as the full throttle sound; very cool! Do all of your Wankels throw that much oil smoke at full throttle!? Two of my Mazda rotaries didn't smoke that bad!
snowrocket 4 years ago
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A123 Systems has a number of new batteries that make R/C much more convenient. Rapid recharge, no noise to annoy neighbors, no pollution... even a tiny engine like that OS, which has no smog system, puts out as much or more pollution than 100 cars. Battery power is more reliable, and you can fly immediately without warm-up... no cans of fluids, engine starters, etc.
billdale1 4 years ago
More pollution than 100 cars... right... Get your brain examined.
It's not about convenience here, it's about soul. Electric engines have no soul, period. It's the sound and smell of a reciprocating internal combustion engine that makes the emotion. I will NEVER buy an electric engine for a model or a normal car, instead I'd buy an engine running hydrogen but with the wonderful sound included. I think most non-electric fliers here feel the same.
flexyco 4 years ago 3
flexyco: R U serious?!! it's an ENGINE-- a HUNK of METAL spinning on a shaft! SOUL?!! Get out of yr fantasy, my friend.
It's not an electric "engine"... it's an electric MOTOR.
Good luck trying 2 buy hydrogen (H)-- I can get electricity anywhere. There r 100's of people driving battery powered EVs in Los Angeles, & more EVs every day, & dozens of public charging stations here... (cont)
billdale1 4 years ago
flexyco cont 1: but there R only 2 or 3 places N the entire US where u can even fuel a H powered car, & that is unlikely 2 ever increase significantly.
H is pitiful-- $12. per gallon-- only 40% as much energy per gallon compared 2 gasoline, it needs thick, heavy, expensive storage cylinders that do not make efficient use of onboard space, it needs cryogenic temps & 1000's of lbs of pressure 2 store, & boils off rapidly-- u lose about half of it in 2 weeks-- (cont)
billdale1 4 years ago
flexyco (cont) "More pollution than 100 cars... right... Get your brain examined."
U R obviously delusional, or blind! look at the video! The engine exhaust is so sooty and thick u can't even see thru the smoke! Within seconds, the plane body is dripping with toxic chemicals! It leaves blue smoke 20 feet behind the plane!
Start any modern car with pollution controls, let it idle until it is at operating temp, & set a glass plate up to the exhaust... (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
flexyco (cont 4): run it for 100 X as long as it took 2 get the sides of the plane soaked-- about 2 mins.-- I can guarantee u that it will not have any noticeable condensate on it... so don't tell me that your little plane is not spewing enuf pollutants 2 put an entire elementary school N2 an asthma attack.
So explain 2 me why u r so rabidly terrified of EVs? Sorry, I didn't get it. An EV is far more powerful than a gas-powered car, only costs about a penny per mile for electricity, (cont)
billdale1 4 years ago
EVs are just, plain boring, just like airplanes with electric motors.
cnnw3929 4 years ago
Nukl34rDing0: Yr absolutely right! U never get 2 do any oil changes, tune-ups, valve jobs, filter changes, head jobs, etc., etc... almost no maintenance even after years-- just one moving part. You don't even get to pay any big gas bills. But as gas prices skyrocket with quickly dwindling oil supplies, expect the use of EVs to skyrocket as well. Not even morons like yourself will be able to afford to drive a gas guzzler B4 too long.
billdale1 4 years ago
Billdale1, have you lost your mind? Is that what environmentalism does to people? Yes, I agree electric power is nice in many ways, but it's not the only way to power a vehicle. Show me an affordable electric SUV that can go 300 miles on a charge at 70 mph and recharge in 5 minutes and then I'll say you're making a bit more sense.
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
@ ccoraxfan: An EV does not need 2 B recharged N 5 mins. N order 2 completely change the way the world gets from A to B. Even if they cud only recharge N an hr, they could still serve the needs of 90% of urban commuters, so long as they could go more than 100 miles on a charge: they can be recharged at night easily & V cheaply at nite-- rather than today's cars costing an average of $.30/mile on clogged fwys, an EV costs less than a penny per mile. (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
Im From Australia Billdale1 its not economical to run EV's in my Country! the reason being is that most of our major citys are more than 6 hours (1500 kilometers away - 62miles = 100kilometers) from each other and a EV just doesnt have that kind of range a combustable engine does. (cont)
JPECaterham 4 years ago
That is why i cannot go the EV route. Ok EV's are okay if you live in the city yes but if you drive from city to city which i do my self the only option for me is to drive a combustable engine powered vehicle. (cont)
JPECaterham 4 years ago
Cont Also here is a point to bring up? if Electric motors are so grand why dont they use them for international aircraft such as jets and planes? EV powered will always be around yes i agree on that but they will never take over a combustable engine as its not feasiable to do so on a mass scale.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
Also billdale having a EV you still have to replace parts. There are Consumable parts such as tyres, brake pads, wheel bearings, tie rod ends, windsreen wiper Blades and a whole list of other parts. (cont)
JPECaterham 4 years ago
You will always have to replace parts that wear out eventully. its a known fact.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
@ JPEC: Of course! There will be suspension parts, wiper blades, etc., but an EV requires far less maintenance-- no oil changes, tune-ups, filter changes, belt replacements, mufflers, catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, valve jobs-- most EVs today don't even use transmissions, gears or clutches. Tranny repairs & maintenance is usually a major expense. (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
The only EV's ive seen in Australia is the honda (ACURA IN USA) prototype that was a hybrid (electric and combustable engined car working in conjunction with each other) and the Toyota prius which works on the same princple.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
Do u really xpect gas 2 stay under $4/gal for more than a year? Do u realize China has been building 15,000 cars per DAY? Almost no Chinese used 2 have cars-- India is same story-- how long u think the current gas supply will last? We MUST swith 2 EVs B4 it is 2 late. State-of the-art EV batteries can be recharged in 10 mins, as proven by Aerovironment for Calif. Air Resources Board (CARB) May of this yr (google it.) (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
I heard there was a guy in Australia that ran a EV on the salt lake to try to brake the world speed record.
JPECaterham 4 years ago
@JPEC: google PML Flightlink in UK... they have a very compact, powerful "hub motor" that can even give a Mini Cooper 640 HP, with no moving parts other than the wheels-- the motors are in the wheels-- no trans., drive shaft, differential, axles... saving 100's of lbs of weight and removing the need for drive shaft tunnels and trans. humps, giving greater interior leg room & flatter floors... super fast car-- 155 mph & still costs less than a penny per mile (cont)
billdale1 4 years ago
@ JPEC: we have salt lakes not far from me where they also do high-speed runs to attempt world records... have seen some of these vehicles but never saw a record attempt... I did use to race motorcycles when I was in college, would like to race again w/ EVs since they have XLNT torque @ 0 RPM, and no shifting... I want 2 visit OZ sometime, see friends there
billdale1 4 years ago
@ JPEC: There have been electric planes... very expensive so far... whole body covered with solar panels... one set a record staying aloft for days, but I don't remember how long-- built by Alan Cocconi as I recall, of AC Propulsion. Google Sonex electric plane, too: a 2-passenger electric plane conversion.
billdale1 4 years ago
@ ccoraxfan: wat u think is the answer, Einstein? 2 continue using gasoline until the streets grind 2 a halt? Or maybe use ethanol? If we converted ALL arable land in the US to corn production, it still cud not make enuf ethanol! Every sq. ft of land on earth gets 277.8 watts of pwr. New flexible, thin-film solar panels frm. Nanosolar R V hi efficncy, only cost $.30/watt, can cover an entire roof affordably. (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
@ ccraxfan: Nanosolar panels. called Powersheet, are already in massive production-- 30 feet per minute-- they will B able 2 cover 100,000 homes/yr w/ current factory, even more if they build more factories. Each home, if it has a storage battery, can run w/out any pwr from grid, rechrge an EV, & still sell pwr back 2 the grid. NanoSafe batteries frm Altair Nanotech will last for decades. 4 small stuff such as laptops, can be recharged in < min. when devices R designed 4 them. (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
So don't humiliate yrself by asking if I have lost my mind! He who laughs last laughs best! Phoenix EV is the size of an Escalade, very powerful & fast, 5 passengers, lots of cargo space, only 1 moving part in drive train-- no transmission-- $45,000-- 250 mile range-- < 10 min. recharge-- < $.03 per mile to charge if u don't have yr own solar panels-- they have a waiting list of over 1 yr in this country (cont.)
billdale1 4 years ago
Billdale, I actually agree with you about much of what you're saying - electric vehicles would be great, IF you can improve the storage of electricity to allow their use beyond daily urban commuting. I live in a rural area approximately 300 miles from Detroit, the nearest major city. [continued]
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
An electric vehicle would need to be charged at least twice to make that trip, and with the typical EV taking hours to recharge, it becomes totally impractical. If we adequate super capacitors or similar fast charging, high-density storage, EVs would be much more useful. [continued]
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
As for my comment wondering about your sanity, I refer to your statements about how much pollution you think is being produced by this little R/C airplane in comparison to automobiles.
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
a light weight wankel engine with an efficient electric drive system could make a good hybrid.
thiago497150 4 years ago
I fail to see how inserting an electric drive train can make that much of a difference in the pollution output of an internal combustion engine. The power still comes from the engine, which pollutes as it runs. The only thing changed is the duty cycle, and I understand that hybrids only get better mileage in stop-and-go city driving, but actually get worse mileage on the highway.
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
I think the best is single application cars. A small, light, electric, emission free( acoustic and toxic gases) for the cities and a big, fast, safe, gas car for travel. Is almost impossible get a vehicle good this two different situations.
thiago497150 4 years ago
There has been much progress in rechargeables. The Altair NanoSafe and the A123 Systems batteries both can be recharged in less than 10 minutes... there are others as well.
I am not a huge fan of hybrids-- I want to see full EVs-- but hybrids can still reduce pollution dramatically since their engines run at a constant speed, which allows optimization rather than having to work well @ a wide range of speeds and loads.
Long charging is still rarely a prob, since most drivers can recharge @ nyt.
billdale1 3 years ago
ccoraxfan(cont.): Drivers are willing to work around small inconveniences with EVs since it means much cheaper operating expenses-- about 1/10th overall-- no long stops @ gas stations, no oil changes, tune-ups, air filters, oil filters, less brake maintenance due to "regen", etc. All that maintenance takes lots of time, so EVs save you on that. And EVs use no foreign oil-- they can be recharged from many cleaan renewable sources such as solar, wind, hydro-- so no money to Saudi Arabia who...
billdale1 3 years ago
ccoraxfan(cont.) ... who financed the 9/11 terrorists, yet we R so addicted 2 their oil that we still do business with them. The billions we send them 2day pay 4 the IEDs that are killing our troops 2day in Iraq. The Bush administration wants to ignore that. We MUST stop giving our enemies the money they need to finance Al Qaeda.
Fuel cars pollute @ the refineries where their gas is made, when tanker trux deliver their fuel 2 gas stations, & when they drive on the street. Not so with EVs.
billdale1 3 years ago
I really wish there was an affordable EV option available for people such as myself. I have to drive long distances every day and spend the vast majority of my money on gas for my vehicle, and the price just keeps going up. I also despise the fact that my money is going to support my enemies, and that petroleum is being essentially wasted in inefficient vehicles when it could be put to much better use, such as material for useful things like plastics and even pavement rather than fuel.
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
Because electricity can be generated from so many diverse sources, including wind, solar, hydro, geothermal and other non-polluting sources, as well as low-pollution sources like nuclear and natural gas, this makes electricity among the best sources of energy. The only problem it has is lack of portability. Hey, it would even be worth it, as I see it, to string lines over major highways and use automated pantographs to supply power for long-distance travelers.
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
Well the US supplies 70% of its own oil so it's not all going to terrorists. Also about 60% of electricity is made by use of fossil fuels, so those "So many" ways of producing don't do that much really. And Geothermal is a heat source, not electricity.
krankiev 3 years ago
krankiev... where did you get the idea that the US supplies 70% of its own oil? According to information anyone can read on the DOE's website, on April 25 this year we produced 5,098,000 barrels of crude, and the same day we imported 10,215,000 barrels, or a little more than twice as much as we produced, so we supply about 33% of our own oil. Our largest importer is Canada (good, our friends and neighbors), our second largest is Saudi Arabia (bad, they fund terrorist activities).
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
As for electricity, I was talking about its flexibility and potential, not how it's currently underutilized. We can quite easily increase the number of clean sources of electricity. Electricity is a good source, and can be better than it is. And as for your statement about geothermal, I suggest you google "geothermal power" and educate yourself.
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
Well that's the info that I found last year so..... yeah go get fucked
krankiev 3 years ago
So your info was wrong, I told you so, and your juvenile response is to cuss at me? Is your opinion so much more important than the truth?
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
it wasn't wrong, and people who I've talked to who have seen your comments all say you are indeed a faggot.
krankiev 3 years ago
krankiev: LOL! Whatever you say man, you obviously know me better than I know myself... :)
ccoraxfan 3 years ago
I heard the same numbers we get 70% domestically, the rest from over seas. It may be that when they use that 70% number they are talking about all sources in North America, I know we get a lot from Mexico, so the differences may be in the definitions used to describe "Domestic" oil. Either way we should be doing more, drill in ANWR, off the coast, and reduce consumption, work on bio fuels, nuclear, clean coal. ALL OF IT together.
kens97sto171 3 years ago
It's not as much a polution concern, as it is an efficiency. 40-50 mpg is a good thing even if it smokes like a chimney.
DG121480 3 years ago
flexyco (cont 5)...will never need an oil change, tune-up, fan belts, thermostats, air filters, oil filters, never need a blown head gasket replaced-- never need a smog test. It's not noisy, won't make u def w/out a muffler, & so that's why yr having a hissy fit? Cool... keep spending an arm & a leg on yr fuels, tune-ups, parts replacements, & labor expenses, keep paying Saudi Arabia & Iran the $ they need 2 fund terrorism, & I'll do what's SANE... I'll drive an EV.
billdale1 4 years ago
The reason is very simple: I love the music of a multi cilinder four stroke petrol engine. I often sleep with the sound of propellors and WW2 radial engines. complex combinations of frequencies that pulsate, combine and split in such a fashion that they resonate in the brain. An electric motor cannot produce such sounds, so I will never enjoy it. The sound of the engine is one of the most important factors for me in buying a car.
flexyco 4 years ago
Ever heard a BRM 1,5 liter V16 formula one car from 1953? Something all the electric motors in the world cannot produce. But i was born with the love for such sounds, not everyone has it. Anyway, the love is strong enough to be willing to live with the hassle of all the parts replacements (as if batteries last for ever :) ), tune ups, labor expenses (none in my case) and funding terrorists.
flexyco 4 years ago
I respect you and your vision, but I'll never love the electric motor as a way to propell a vehicle as much as the way the old stinky and noisy inefficient way does.
flexyco 4 years ago
BTW I'm not a great fan of the engine used in this movie, this rotary uses far more oil than modern rotaries mounted in cars. The sound is less interesting too. It looks gorgeous though...
flexyco 4 years ago
Oh and I have asthma (not as a result of) but never had breathing problems due to normal traffic. This plane cannot produce the same amount of pollutants of even a small motorcycle in absolute sense for two simple facts. One: it's much smaller and Two: it's used far less
flexyco 4 years ago
All anyone has to do is see the huge plumes of smoke behind the plane in the video! Motorcycles today don't leave any visible plume at all! Ozone causes asthma attacks in concentrations as small as .060 parts per BILLION... that is far too small to even be SEEN with the naked eye-- when sunlight hits those huge plumes of blue smoke from that little tiny plane it forms toxins that are far more potent, ruining the air quality for miles around. Go crawl under a rock.
billdale1 4 years ago
when I came back to this page earlier, YouTube is glitchy and had only posted your last comment. I'm glad to know that you at least are happier to have something that uses less oil.
I was entranced by the simplicity of the Wankel many years ago when it was new to the American public, and still like it in many ways, but I'm just too concerned with the environmental and health problems with ICEs. I'm going to try to send you an email... this is too much of a hassle.
billdale1 4 years ago
What a unique sound it has!
ssgtakeo 4 years ago
Thanks!
It's a Diablo 3D (ARF from Black Horse Models), I mounted Multiplex Tiny-S servos and the Wankel, and it flyes beutifly.
pawelebay 4 years ago
sweet sound, what airplane is this? is it a kit or ARTF?
342118 4 years ago
Cool engine ! First time I hear one of them running. Be Careful !! get some help from someone to hold the plane when starting your engine. Regards
phoenixx357 4 years ago