US losing clout in Latin America?

[h95718]

it's kind of like america wnt' to start some kind of small race up rising to unleash martial law and the chip...

[wrongderbeast]

why dont the americans just stay out of latin american affairs+let latin americans govern themselves.they have brought nothing but misery to the region.they are only scum

[LevTrotsky1917]

USA showed all its hypocrisy and cynicism in Honduras. Now they have the puppet democracy that they want, but the people from Honduras won't give up the fight.

[LevTrotsky1917]

USA supported dictators like Mobutu, Suharto, Pinochet, Videla, Somoza, and many others.

They torture people on the Guantanamo bay and in secret prisons.

Either they support puppet democracies or dictatorships.

[huskerbird1]

What I saw... Our puppet states support the coup. the large majority of S.A. not.

When you have panama, columbia, and costa rico, our pawns, against, and large countries, hell most of the continent, supports the old pres. columbia,we own....Panama, we dispossessed noriega, dont think we have a hand in their govt. think again. Oh and I dont doubt RT has an agenda, but their propagandatowards us is mush weaker than our own. WERE HORRIBLE, Extraordinary rendition, waterboarding, seems third world!

[LeGioNoFZioN]

I agree, well put

[LeGioNoFZioN]

I'm with you, the fact that they didn't even bring up this fact exposes some bias in a channel I respect normally above the Canadian and American alternatives.

Russia Today fell down on this reporting.

[charlessmyth]

Yes, Honduras is disturbingly akin to the student becoming the teacher :-)

[charlessmyth]

There was no coup in June to legitimise. The Micheletti interim government was de-jure, and not de-facto as is erroneously propagated. US influence goes beyond that which happens to be Presidentially incumbent. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), for example.

[LevTrotsky1917]

USA always supported dictatorships in Latin America and around the world. Many elected presidents suffered coups supported by the US. They are against the independence of the southern hemisphere countries. During the cold war they claimed it was a fight against communism even if many of the governments overthrown by coups were in reality bourgeois nationalistic and not leftists. Now in Honduras the are going to put a puppet government.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

this was not a coup, Zelaya violated his oath as president, he tried to change terms limits. Honduras is no more a puppet government than el Salvador or Venezuela.

[LevTrotsky1917]

It was a coup, Zelaya wanted a referendum to change the constitution , that is perfectly democratic.

But they kidnaped him and deported him.

People are being killed because they support Zelaya.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

we wanted a referendum that was contrary to their constitution. he broke his oath in seeking to extend his term, and his penalty was exile. the unrest in unfortunate, but much of that is Venezuela's and other local leftist countries fault for stirring that unrest up. If Zelaya left well enough alone, none of this would be needed, he could have served out the remainder of his term

[LevTrotsky1917]

If you truly defend democracy and legality as you claim then tell me, isn't that illegal to overthrow an elected president by the use of force, to kidnap him and to deport him, and to forbid him to return to his country? If it was a question of legality, why do you defend the use of illegal means? Is that legal and democratic to kill people because they support their elected president?

[LeGioNoFZioN]

it would be in Canada, it isn't in Honduras because that is the law there. you may not like the law, but that is the law nonetheless. You may think something like trying to change a law is not worthy of such extreme measures, but if you had a one term limit Bush would never have been able to dig as deep a hole for your country. Hondurans take despotism seriously, and the only insurance against, is strict term limits.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

in short you may not like how they did what they did, but they were following the law when they exiled his ass. Personally I think he should have been charged and had his day in court to defend himself, but I don't make the laws in Honduras. Its not like their military just up and decided to wake him up early and exile his ass, they acted on congressional orders.

[LevTrotsky1917]

The congress didn't allow any referendum 180 days prior to an election because they were afraid of real democracy . But even so, Zelaya was not going to do any referendum, just a survey to know what people think about the possibility of voting in November not only for a president but also to make a constituent assembly in order to discuss constitutional changes. This is very democratic!

But your friends they are afraid of any constitutional change. So they raped the congress and the law

[LevTrotsky1917]

LeGionFZioN, you claim that your friends who made a coup against elected president Zelaya did it to defend the law, but this is not true, since the survey that Zelaya proposed was legal. Also, if you defend legality you have not chosen good friends, because they violated the Viena convention by kidnapping diplomats from the embassies of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The coup was against democracy, but your criminal friends try to hide behind the law.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

well all that is over now as Honduras has democratically elected its next president. the 61% turnout was higher than the 2005 elections there. whatever your feelings about what happened that is in the past, and the country moves forward now

[ozetabosio]

this comment proves to me how gullible you are. Do you really believe that 61% figure? If you care to inform yourself better, you would see that the 61% is a made figure and now they have modified the numbers to 47%.  And one more thing, Zelaya was not trying to change his presidential term, another fallacy that his opponents have used over and over. Again, not a single Honduran can prove to me he was going to modify the terms. Zelaya is guilty by association and that can't be an argument..

[LeGioNoFZioN]

and your source for the 47% is ......

[ozetabosio]

Hagamos Democracia (the firm hired by the TSE (HOnduran Electoral Tribunal) and the TSE's own made up numbers....we estimate the numbers to be much lower but hey, keep drinking the cool-aid...

[LeGioNoFZioN]

I'm used to americans drinking kool-aid but I guess once in a while we all get our fix

[LevTrotsky1917]

Why do you change topic?

First you told that the coup was for protecting the law. But the ones who did the coup against democratically elected Zelaya violated the law and the constitution and also the Viena convention. So if you pretend to defend the law why do you defend outlaws?

You don't have any valuable argument to justify the coup and the repression against Hondurans who were killed because they supported their president. Now you try to escape behind numbers

[LeGioNoFZioN]

no, I simply looked back, and found I was arguing over a moot point, it doesn't matter what you or I think, life goes on and Honduras is moving on. Sure there are neo socialists pissed because of Zelaya, but my only concern was the general well being on Hondurans and now they seem to be moving ahead. Now I turn my attention elsewhere.

[ozetabosio]

If you are going to comment on a topic that is foreign to you then at least take the time to investigate a little further about it so that at least you can use some valid arguments when writing. I am a Honduran and there isn't a single Honduran who can show me where in our laws it is contemplated to act the way they did against Zelaya. They were supposed to knock the door, read the capture order and take him, instead they opened it by the force of bullets. Hondurans can't be extradited by LAW.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

you mean exile

[ozetabosio]

read for yourself (to answer your appreciation BOTH):

ARTICULO 102.- Ningún hondureño podrá ser expatriado ni entregado por las autoridades a un Estado extranjero.

[pavlepavle]

go obama with his peace prize yeah! more troops in Afghanistan , illegal over throws of governments! wow what change!

[Marspyramids]

lmao so true.... thing is mate most people are fucking morons and just don't care.... I guess the minority really needs to unite to lead the majority in order for them to ever change or care about anything other than television and mcdonalds

[BITARTEN]

Esa pobre gente de Honduras es un desastre y vale para bien poca cosa.

[Flankymanga]

Ah well... Latin America is a loosing ground for USA. This is a way how to try to regain control. This coup was futile. US bought some of the Honduras military leaders, which then convince rest of the military. Mexico ended up very similar way but without coup. The votings were manipulated heaviliy for the pro-american president. But Chavez and Morales have strong Latin American support in Ecuador, Peru, Brasil, Argentina as well. Only Columbia, Mexico and Honduras might be a problem.

[lintburger]

I own a home in Colombia and have traveled through SA for almost 12 yrs now. To say Chavez, esp Morales has strong support is misleading at best. Chavez has a mild tolerance factor, Morales is nonexistent. Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, hardly know Chavez exists. Venezuala will self destruct, Caracus is a mess now, other leftist nations ie Ecuador, Bolivia will remain the same. Poor.

[seaneire]

what about peru?

[Flankymanga]

dude Caracas is mess? All world is mess. USA is much more bigger mess. You know wy i think they are gaining popularity? Because what they were saying all the time... is now proving to be reality. USA spread capitalism brought huuuge damage to the world.military even more so. USA have rapid unemployment rate, taxes are rising up, people rentability went sharply down and american dream is vanishing like a cloud from beautifull blue sky. Most of the guys here in EU don't want US dependence at best

[lintburger]

WTF are you talking about? I can't understand half of what your saying. Capitalism is not the problem, state run, crony capitalism is the problem. Brazil and Colombia which are center right countries are better off than their leftist counterparts. That's a fact. Now should the US step on SA and use it as a training ground/extension of NA? Of course not. The US needs to get out and stay out of SA other than trade or foreign investment. As I said Chavez is considered "Cheburro" down there.

[Flankymanga]

Dude it seems you have no idea about the core of the problem and its size. USA turned Columbia to fabric for money. The drugs made in columbia are spread over the USA with CIA overseers, so that the money earned from drugs could be used for black projects which USA have many. Aside this fact Venezuela have huge oil reserves. Its in US interrest to turn venezuela into puppet country. In columbia US can train and brainwash Venezuelan opposition to "shot down" Chavez from the "sky".

[lintburger]

First and foremost it's Colombia not Columbia, second I already know about all that, that's old news. For your info the cartels have been mostly dismantled that traffic has moved to Mexico hence the violence in that country. Venezuela was at one time the fifth largest oil producer since they have been nationalized most of the "money" has moved out a lot of it to Miami. I already stated the US should be out of SA and that was a direct reference to black ops they have going on.

[Flankymanga]

Sorry for the misspelling. But do you think USA will go away? They won't... and this is why Chavez is gaining popularity. Not just in latin america, but all arround the world. You can believe me. Even more so when it became so obvious that Colombia is an American puppet state when the gave them 9 military bases. Why somuch when the Colombian cartels were destroyed?

[lintburger]

Second I'm going down to Colombia in two weeks and then off to La Paz, Bolivia. When you make statements like Chavez has a lot of support you can say whatever you want that is not true. I speak fluent spanish, my home is located in the city of Barranquilla, I have family and friends there, I'm telling you the facts if you don't want to believe them then whatever.

As far as you telling me the core of the problem, save your breath, I'm way ahead of you. Flame away.

[flyhead2]

Keep regurgitating the lies, someone might believe them. Unlikely, but you never know...

[chan0chap]

honduras had a US backed coup like any other banana republic in south america.

what a surprise!

the US was scared that honduras would become like venzuea and bolivia and have an actual popular leader.

[2xtream]

Is there a reason people pronounce some English words very badly? I would think a news company such as RT would have ppl that could speak English.

The girl has repeatedly sad the word (writ'n in place of writTen) she fails to pronounce the second (T) in the word, and sounds like an idiot. On the other hand if an English speaking news person was to pronounce a Spanish word they take care to say the word correctly with a Spanish pronunciation. Why not English??

(RT Double Standard FAIL!)

[flyhead2]

Double standards? What shallow hypocrisy.

[timetraveler3797]

The US is losing clout because the government has intervened too much in all the wrong ways.

It needs to hold true to it's own ideas and let others take responsibility.

[SSENGNIHTON]

The U.S. is losing 'clout' everywhere because it has proven to be a lying, criminal entity. It sanctions the poisoning of its own citizens, for crying out loud.

[murk2002]

No the US isn't loosing clout in Central and South America, because we are their biggest market and they depend on the US way to much. Zelya wanted to be another Hugo Chavez president for life and he got pulled out of the Presidential palace in the middle of the night. Who cares let him stay in the Brazillian embassy forever.

[gosciu555]

Man, we need to get rid of wall street and these types of characters, they run the US.

[JukemDrawles89]

Dina Gusouvsky's hottest chick alive

[FrenchPropagandaV1]

You sick ! Dina is marvelous like that, return on the Alyona show if you prefer

[finlanzer8sa]

we need more Chinese ppls with black stetsons to fill South-America from the days of Simon Bolivar! Too latin!

[OrphanPaper]

How eles dose some one get exiled ,a hand shake a kiss and a pat on the but,

he did try to prevert the constution for his own gain at the expence of the people he claimed to be reprasenting , placing them in harms way ,,,he was bared from at law ,running because of the constution ,

[USAPatriot1966]

Who the hell s this kid?

He obviously is a communist!

[Organjic]

Minimum wages suck!

[KosmicCitizen]

The only half way credible arguments AGAINST the minimum wage I've ever heard, came from free-market "anarcho-capitalists."

That said, none of those type of arguments apply in the current system, which is not "free market."

Minimum wages, progressive taxation, etc. are pragmatic necessities in a crony-capitalist system such as ours.

In the end, all of these jokers need to go away. In which case, I'd agree - no minimum wage, because there'd be no more wage slavery.

[gosciu555]

What? Minimum wage should be HIGHER, minimum wage is political, its about not tolerating a level of squalor below which we don't go.

[Organjic]

If they don't want to make low wages they don't need to do that job. Its simple! Lower wages will open millions of jobs. But if you add in inflation that's occurring minimum wages are going down.