Holds the Sky from Falling Allah holds up the sky. It will not fall unless he wants it to do so (22:65).
Face Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal (55:26-27).
Judge He (Allah) is the best of judges (95:8, 10:109).
Taking a Vow He (Allah) vows by the dawn and the ten nights, by the even and odd, and by the night when it departs or comes... this surely is a great oath for a reasonable man (92:1-5).
After the heavens were finished, the one who built it went up to his throne in heaven and from there continues to keep the heavens and the earth from disappearing (13:2, 57:4, 35:41). On the judgment day the sky will be torn apart and eight angels will be seen carrying the throne of Allah above their heads (69:15-17, 39:75). Those who hold up Allah’s throne and surround it constantly pray that those Muslims who deserve it would be forgiven (40:7-9).
@TheSaffyone HAHAHA! So your Allah has a face. Does he have an ass and a penis as well or is he just a face? And what does he sit on the throne with? His face?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
69:15-17, 39:75). Those who hold up Allah’s throne and surround it constantly pray that those Muslims who deserve it would be forgiven (40:7-9). So does he rest his chin on his throne or his arse? LOL!
@Thedickknows any descriptions of God is strictly metaphor. Don't imagine God but if you have too then imagine him as the light. If hands, kicks etc are only description in pure nature. Example, standing between God's hands doesn't mean littrally the hands shapped of a human being or a hand at all, simply we don't know him. Standing in God's hand is desrcibing the status of a person in the judgement day.
@Thedickknows I feel sorry for you, Yah you won but I hope this is the end of the debate. Moses heard God, talked to him, drank cup of coffees and he told him all about the planning of having a son or having his own self as the son.
@TheSaffyone Just remember all of the arguments I refuted, And then dont use them again. But I doubt you have that ability for intellectual integrity! Peace out!
God is so unique that to fully and accurately understand Him, one would have to be God. What we know about Him is restricted by the limitations of human understanding. Some Jewish thinkers like Maimonides (1135-1204) argued that we could not make any affirmative statements about God. Anything we said about Him would limit and diminish Him. A perfect being can have no limitations. Physical objects are always limited – by their own boundaries and dimensions.
@TheSaffyone No If you say God cannot enter his creation then you are saying that God has limitations. Dont you think? DUH!
Right and Left Hand Sides At the final judgment Muslims will stand on his right hand side and those who deny the teachings of the Qur'an will stand on his left hand side (90:17-19). So your Allah has sides.
Does he have arms? I thought he was omniscient. LOL!
@Thedickknows No you misunderstood the left from right. It describes the person that is standing before Allah and not Allah himself. You will have your books on your left. I hope mine will be on the right side of me.
But those who disbelieve in Our signs, they are the ones of the left [side] (al-mash’ama means al-shimāl). WOW where is your tafsir and hadiths that people revere? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
@Thedickknows BWAHA, be a Hindu as supreme god in Hindusim has unlimited forms of persons. Now this is what I call unrestricted. The diffrence between Christianity and Hindusim is the restrictions of three persons applied to a god.
Thanks Allah for making me Muslim and opening my eyes to the true monotheist faith.
@TheSaffyone God is not a person. We established that fact a long time ago. God entered his creation. See you have to be dishonest and lie. The difference between Hinduism and Christianity is everything. Your a liar and you have to lie to defend Islam and misrepresent Christianity! Just like Mohamed did when he created his Allah who cannot have a son without a partner! LOL!
How could He have a son when He has no consort, S. 6:100-101 Your Allah is as weak as Mohameds imagination!
@Thedickknows I am surprised on the level of ignorants of the rinity among Christians. When did we establish the fact a long time ago? Google the trinity and know your religion you idiot. I will stop my conversation with you if you don't understand your trinity.
God is the three persons is well established fact.
The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one." The Trinity expresses the belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
@Thedickknows The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.
@TheSaffyone The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one."
Thank you, three are one. God is not restricted by anything. Your Allah cannot even create a son without a partner. My God is so awesome that he is beyong our imagination. Now whose God is greater. A God that cannot be explained or a God that cannnot even create a son without having a sexual partner!
My God is the greatest and is not bound by anything, My God beats your man made God!
@Thedickknows We established that fact in our conversation. Jesus is the flesh, God is in the flesh. The flesh is not Jesus. When Jesus died God did not die but the flesh died. If you would take the time to read our correspondences you would have known this.
And by the way I am not Catholic, and the Catholics are not the authority. Let me ask the Shia or Ahmadiya about Islam. I will use them as an authority from now on!
@Thedickknows I have no sect at all. I am just a Muslim. However I consider, Sunah and Shia as valid sources if they make sense. Ahmadia is not part of Islam because they have destroyed two essential elements. One, Prophet Mohammed is the final messanger, and two we are waiting for Christ the son of Marry not Mizra Ahmad . Apart of that, I don't know much about Ahmadia.
@TheSaffyone HAHAHA! If they make sense. So you are your scholar. You determine what you want to believe and what you dont. You fabricate your own version of Allah. Just like Mohamed. Your Allah is limited by your imagination. Mine is not!
@Thedickknows Correct, I am my own scholar with reasonable ground and only take matters from an accadmic point of view. We have shaiks who haven't got a clue what they are talking about. Fatwa shouldn't be in the hand of one person.
Seek knowldege from birth to death is an advice commanded by prophet Mohammed.
@TheSaffyone Ok So can we see the whale and the Bull from space?
Tafsir Tabari, Al Qurtubi and Ibn Abbas also give the same ideas.
It was said that Nun refers to a great whale that rides on the currents of the waters of the great ocean and on its back it carries the seven Earths, as was stated by Imam Abu Jafar Ibn Jarir.
@Thedickknows Yah from answeringislam. Provide us the links to the argument . In this one, you and your sources are bankrupt to the extend making lies to defame Islam. No kid , whom he doesn't know he is own religion cannot go around and pretend to know another religion. This is an Islamic established fact. Your books will be carried by you and it will be handed to you either by right or left.
And when he reached it, a call came from the right bank, [the right] side, of the valley, to Moses, at the blessed spot, [blessed] for Moses, because of his hearing God’s speech therein, from the tree (mina’l-shajarati substitutes for min shāti’i, ‘from the [right] bank’, ‘O Moses! Indeed I am God, the Lord of the Worlds’.
@Thedickknows is god 3 persons or not? answer it, earlier you said he is not persons, Do you admit you were wrong about the very basic of your own religion.
until you admit you were wrong then there is no debate worth to take on with an idiot of your type !
@TheSaffyone Persons is not the word, that is an allegory. Like saying that you are a Father, son, and brother, Uncle, cousin etc. God interacts with us through in three ways, he always was, the father, he dwelt among us, the son, we dwells among us in the holy spirit. I though you were done.
Quran ~ 16.102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
@TheSaffyone So the holy spirit died? You make no sense.
And you have your religion and I have mine is abrogated by the verse of the sword 9:5 and the open ended ayat of subjugation , death, or conversion 9:29
If you want to believe what you want thats fine with me, but from this day forward you will know in your heart that it is a lie. And the version you follow is a fictitious revisionist view created in your own mind! Your life is a lie from this day on! Peace!
@Thedickknows Im sorry I meant to say the holy spirit dwells in us. Bad typing.
And I complete destroyed every single issue you presented. My God has no limitations, your God does. You were inconsistent, I was. So if I am an idiot, then you are an amoeba!
@TheSaffyone 1 divided by 1 divided by 1 divided by 1 equals ONE.
FACT!
God has no limitations, even Mathematics cannot restrict God. If you say he is bound by anything you can imagine then you are putting restrictions on God. Thank you for showing your Allah is not God. You and Islam have been refuted and exposed!
@Thedickknows 1 shared by 1 shared by 1 if and only if the logic is (or and) . Claim to know the trinity then the logic of God the father and god the son and god the holy spirit can only be explained in plus + meaning
@Thedickknows "If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." - Albert Einstein
"God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world" Paul Dirac
The answer is no, Allah is not limited by maths, however for an argument of logic, the truth has to be measured. The truth is we don't know God and when he says he is 1 then 1 = 1 end of the story.
@TheSaffyone Mate, you shouldn't try to explain Islam to ths dickhead because he's a hypocrite. If you think that he's interested in truth, you are mistaken. All you should do is bash his own pagan religion and catch him in contradicting himself, only then he will shut up. For example, he said that God is not bound by our logic, then he laughed off the possibilit of God having a face. LOL his own man-god had face. Not that I'm saying that Allah has a face, but catch him in contradicting himself.
@Thedickknows I wiped the floor with you 2 times during a year. You don't know neither Islam nor christianity. You look like a monkey who was locked in a library for 5 years and memorized everything he could but without understanding. Enough from you.
@Thedickknows You are describing yourself "Hypocrite"!.Anyway. My lord is one and 1 = 1. Your lord is one of three. How? here you should listen to logic. The father is the creator of heavens and earth. Christ didn't create a nothing. You went for the logic shared. Shared in Islam is Shirk. 1 shared by 1 by one. You shared the power of God by 3 entities.
Allah shares his power with absolutely no one. Your god is 3, mine is 1
68:42 The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able Is Allah the leg lying? What kind of razor does he use? Does he wear stockings?
@TheSaffyone Defeat? What are you talking about? You are so delusional.
Your Allah is a leg! A fricken LEG! You have got to be kidding me. You have been defeated in every single topic. Islam is a lie and exposed, by me! And it was easy! Your just to dumb to know how stupid you are!
Now go raise your ass to the leg! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
@Thedickknows who is incapable of intellectual debate and Critical thinking !. Now we have established the fact that your god is 3 persons then if you want to use the logic shared, then the formula is 3 / 1 is one third. Your pathetic mind is saying 3 shared by 1 is 1. How Christical thinking and anti-Critical thinking, lying and saying the forumal is 1 shared by 1 by 1. I am asking you again is your god 3 persons or not? and how come you don't know that?
@Thedickknows "Trinity expresses the belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion". So you are lying again. god according to the definition is 3 persons equal and co exist. You don't understand the trinity do you?
@TheSaffyone You are being intellectually dishonest, and you know it. Nobody, not one single Christian in the world thinks God is a person. See you have to lie in order to make a point. Its quite sad and I am embarrassed for you.
And your Leg knows you are being deceptive! How pathetic that the only way you think you can win a debate is by lying and misrepresenting the facts. While I present the facts. It is so pathetic.
Now go raise your ass in the air for your God the LEG! LOL!
@TheSaffyone Keep lying, it has served you well all your life. You live a lie and you spew lies. Because you have to, if you didnt lie to yourself and other your whole life would come crashing down around you. Now Go kiss your pagan rock and bow down to your leg!
@Thedickknows Seek mental help. Keep lying, who is lying. "god is a leg, Islam is pagan, worshiping rock, moon god".We heard it all. What more pathetic "Christiacal thinker" is going to add. Christical thinking instead of Critical thinking produced 1 god is 3p.
I have provided you clear definitions, yet disputing your own authorities. Kid, I didn't define the trinity, some idiots in Christianity did.
"who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion" what does that mean?
@Thedickknows I have provided you verifiable source while you failed to provide any validation to your sources. god is a leg is the most stupid thing I have ever heard from a stupid Christian. I heard Allah is the moon god but I have never heard the leg argument before. You are creative in deceiving yourself.
@Thedickknows You still failed to explain the trinity to us. If Allah used maths to create the universe then how come he failed to use correct logic to define himself. Sorry Allah is just the father. Allah in here is just 1/3 of your god heads. god has 3 pop up heads lol.
Retrace the argument your god uses correct math in his creation but fails to use basic logic for himself. What a god head!
@Thedickknows If you consider my question dumb then I did a great job of exposing how stupid your arguments are, hence how stupid is your man-made religion. Just think, you said that your god has no limitations, i.e. he can be anyone and anything he wants. So again, can he be a shit inside your stomach?
@Thedickknows Idiot, don't even try to teach me logic. My IQ level is at least 10 times higher than yours.
I didn't say that your god wants to do this or that. I just asked you a question: how do you know that the shit inside you is not your god?
Now, you are trying to say that you know what your god will and will not want to do. How do you know that? Is he bound by your logic? Bingo, backfired!!! hahahahaha
As I said before, you look like a monkey who reads stuff without understanding. LOL
@JackSparrowDepp This is why I dont communicate with you. Your to dumb to know how truly stupid you are.
LOL! What kind of a question is that? It doesnt even make sense! Where would you reach the conclusion that God is a piece of shit? Where did you get the premise that God is shit? LOL!
Your so dumb you think your saying something that makes sense but it is stupid I dont even know what to say.
This is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said to me in my entire life!
@Thedickknows Mind you, you still didn't answer my question. You bla bla bla doesn't save your ass. I didn't say that your god is a piece of shit. The same questions you are asking me I can ask you: "where would you reach the conclusion that God is a man, a part of trinity, one in three or three in one?" LOL. You have been telling to another muslims that your god ha sno limitations and now you are restricting him to your own logic. LMAO Don't you even feel the contradiction, clown? Go to circus!
@JackSparrowDepp BEcause your question is a straw man argument, a red herring, a logical fallacy, a non sequaitar and every other faulty debating tactic and illogical question there is. It is a presupposition. Do you know what that is? God is not a man. God entered into a man and I state that because thats what the Bible says. No it is not a contradiction, because there is no reason to believe that God would be a piece of shit. You are so dumb it is AMAZING! It a presupposition!
@Thedickknows Is it you who decides what is a straw man argument or a logical fallacy? To me, your saying that God has no limitations is a straw man and logical fallacy, and all I have been doing was to try to show you that. It amazes me that you still don't understand your stupidity. Because Bible says so? LOL So if Bible said that god became a piece of shit inside you would you believe it as well? To us, your belief is as much nonsensical as god being a shit. You are dumb, not me. hahahahahaha
@Thedickknows Straw man tactics. Making a caricature out of a position in order to make it easier to attack. This is when people Assume they know someone's point of view, and begin arguing a made-up construction about their opponent, rather than just debate the words of their opponent. In short, you assume that your opponent believes something that he or she did not explicitly state.
@Thedickknows False premise: debater makes a statement that assumes some other fact has already been proven when it has not; in court, such a statement will be objected to by opposing counsel on the grounds that it “assumes facts not in evidence”
@Thedickknows Your empty lines do not save your ass. You are trying to sound smart, but the fact is you are NOT. You have already been caught by me contradicting yourself regarding one of Quranic verses in another video. You are so dumb that you didn't even know that you were contradciting yourself there. Your man-made religion is as dumb as you are. Sorry to disappoint you but the definition of God is not introduced by your pagan religion. God cannot do anything that diminishes his divinity.
@JackSparrowDepp You can spew all of the straw man arguments and red herrings and logical fallacies.
But Entering man, his creation whom he loves, does not diminish him in nay way. But entering a tree might. And I never contradicted myself, you may just be to dumb to comprehend what said. I dont like you, you never make sense and you just spew worthless rhetoric.
The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30).
@Thedickknows You don't like me because I have been owning your ass for the whole year. I revealed in public what kind of a hypocrite you are. Talking about false premises, but that's exactly what you are doing. Who determines whom God can become and whom he cannot? All of your false premises are based on 4 books contradicting each other. For you it doesn't matter what those books say, how they contradict to each other and common sense, if they said something then that must be true! U are a joke
@Thedickknows I have owned you like shit on 2 different occasion until now, now the 3-rd time.
Yeah, yeah I destroyed myself. I know perfectly what you are going to say, but be aware my answer is ready for each of your stupid argument. You are a stupid teen.
@JackSparrowDepp Ok keep telling yourself that. You just destroyed your own illogical argument and its here for all to see. Funny I dont remember you ever owning anyone in any topic. You look foolish and do nothing but harm to Islam. You expose how backward and illogical Muslims are. So please keep it up. And I am far from a teen little girl!
@Thedickknows Haha so you are a girl? OMG and I was thinking why this idiot is so dumb!!! LOL. If I had destroyed myself you would have told us how I did it. You cannot because you are bluffing. What is worse, it appears to me you didn't even understand why I posed that question. True, I have been owning your ass, teenage masturbator. Just remember how you were trying to address a Quranic marriage like a rape and then yourself said it was "marriage". I've never met such a dumbass like u before.
@Thedickknows you said" OMg you are so dumb. Just because God can do something does not mean that he would". This is exactly the point we are trying to deliver. God wouldn't be a man. A man is not God. God is not a man. A man and God are not from the same species or the same world, or in the same time and space. God is way above our imagination and understanding. Cut it short, God is not someone you can comprehend. Don't imagine him.
@JackSparrowDepp The best part I liked is "You are trying to sound smart, but the fact is you are NOT". True he is trying to sound smart but he is one of the most stupid creation. If god can be anything then the question, can he be a cow?
If he found the question stupid then he proved how stupid his argument.
@Thedickknows "Like saying the son, uncle, father all can exist in the same person" Dear, your uncle is not your father unless you know what!. Your father cannot be your son at the same time or be the same person and having the two titles.
You claim your god is father, son and holy spirit at the same time. If so you should say, god can be a father, a son, a holy spirit. One of many 1 - m relationship. Do you get the logic? there is no uniqueness in your argument
@TheSaffyone No it;s like saying GOD HAS NO LIMITATIONS!
GOD IS NOT LIKE ANYTHING YOU CAN DESCRIBE! YOU ARE A MENTAL MIDGET!
And God the father son and holy spirit is just an allegory, an attempt to describe it in human terms. We can have no comprehension of God and his vastness and his abilities. To describe him would be utterly impossible! Your a total MORON . hypocrite and lack critical thinking!
@Thedickknows while talking about critical thinking, then shouldn't be the logic of AND for PLUS. Critically analyze the following mathematical problem!
@TheSaffyone Because mathematics does not apply to God you fucking moron.
Ok your Allah is two, if we dont count your holy spirit!
28.030 But when he came to the (fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a tree in hallowed ground: "O Moses! Verily I am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds...
So Islams Allah is a tree and Allah So 1tree + 1 Allah + 2
So your Allah is two Gods. A tree and Allah Oh lets not forget the fire in the tree! hypocrite! That makes 4 LOL
@Thedickknows Trinity is your problem. Where did you learn math? your teacher deserve the capital punishment. Your problem is learning maths from priest.
Hearing something from behind the tree doesn't mean it is the tree. Do you really think so? then God help you. It is like saying I hear voice from next door then the voice is next door walls talking. David Wood how are you?
@TheSaffyone Your Allah is a tree, a fire, Allah and holy spirit!
It doesnt say from behind a tree. So was Allah hiding behind a tree? BWAHAHAHAHA!
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And when he reached it, a call came from the right bank, [the right] side, of the valley, to Moses, at the blessed spot, [blessed] for Moses, because of his hearing God’s speech therein, from the tree ‘O Moses! Indeed I am God, the Lord of the Worlds’.
How did he create a tree when he has no seed? LOL!
@Thedickknows Maybe God made the tree talk. It is clear facts in Islam any description associated with God, doesn't describe God. Meaning the title Moses of being Kaleem Allah as in the one talked directly to. How did God directly speak to Moses? No he didn't and no one can hear, see, touch God. Don't use Tafsir because you use them with clear malice.
But when there came to them Our visible signs, they said, "This is obvious magic." 27:13
@TheSaffyone Oh so any description of God in the Quran is not God. LOL! But you want to prescribe a mathematical description of my God. I see, Thats called hypocrisy you fucking moron!
Oh I forgot, your Allah is also a leg, is there an ass attached to that keg or is it just a part of a leg hopping around?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
68:42 The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able
@Thedickknows Kid, how old are you? My God is not my dad and he is not a dady to anyone. He is simply the creator of everthing including your sorry ass. Go drink milk before bed. Is your god THREE (3) PERSONS? Do you clearly understand that?, your god is THREE (3) PERSONS. My God is not a person and he is THE ONE.
The Christian god is 3 therefore he is not one, hence paganism is the perfect description.
@TheSaffyone God is so unique that to fully and accurately understand Him, one would have to be God. What we know about Him is restricted by the limitations of human understanding. Some Jewish thinkers like Maimonides (1135-1204) argued that we could not make any affirmative statements about God. Anything we said about Him would limit and diminish Him. A perfect being can have no limitations. Physical objects are always limited – by their own boundaries and dimensions.
@Thedickknows The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one." Enough said!
A perfect being cannot receive, since there is nothing that He does not have. He can only give. Indeed, of the different characteristics that are ascribed to G-d in the mystical tradition, the single most important one is as a Giver, as a G-d of loving kindness and compassion. Because Man cannot comprehend his greatness does not mean his greatness does not exist! DUH!
6 MILLION MUSLIMS CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY EVERY YEAR !
According to Al-Jazeerah's interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law , he confirms 6 MILLION MUSLIMS convert to Christianity every year in Africa ! (google and see yourself)
Jesus has nothing to do with Muhammad. Jesus’ heaven has no mates, Muhammad’s jannah has houris. Jesus’ God detested re-marriages (Deut 24:4), but allah encouraged it!...Jesus says a man who marries a divorcee commits adultery (Luke 16:18), yet Muhammad told Zaid to divorce his wife so he can marry her! In Exodus 3:15 God said His only name is Yahweh. BUT allah has 99 names…none of them is Yahweh! Jesus even said the LAST PROPHET was John the Baptist (Luke 16:16) !
@Youngsamsonful You are bringing up verses from the New Testament like they are of a divine origin LOL. The Bible was written by people who lived centuries after Jesus died and never saw him. Type on youtube "Misquoting Jesus" and watch how Ph.D. in religious studie Bart Ehrman proves that the Bible is corrupt. Wake up and smell the coffee, clown.
=_=""" I just said "ANd all you give me is tafsirs from 2 Jalalayns and Ibn Abbas of the same verse." Isn't that the same with you saying "No I gave you the tafsirs from ayat 9:5 and ayat 9:6" ??? Gooosh man.
Hadiths doesn't help you to give the meaning of an ayat in the Quran. It's just reports by scholars on what Prophet Muhammad s.a.w said. HELOO? Gosh I never ask an evidence from hadiths or fatwa in the 1st place.
Like you said "you say or do smth does not mean that it is in compliance with Islamic doctrine". But fatwas are opinions made by Muslim scholars but it not necessarily from the words of Allah. I too am not 100% confident with Islamic laws but it does not mean Islamic laws are 100% correct because it's not from Allah swt Himself. Please give me proves from Quran only because it's the word from Allah swt.
Nope you're wrong read carefully " UNTIL he hears the word of Allah" it means protect non-Muslims until they finally become Muslims.
Quran (9:13) What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
@mohol93 HAHAHA! I like how you stopped replying to me hoping I wouldn't respond. No it doesnt. REad it and weep.
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Then, when the sacred months have passed — that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam;
@mohol93 Well Muslims do that when I refute them all the time. And I already refuted you with the tafsir. Now you want a hadith? OK! Wow they all agree with me!!
Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)
@mohol93 No I presented the ayat, the hadith, and two tafsirs, and you are argueing with all of Islamic doctrine and telling me that your the greatest scholar and all of those are inocrrect and you are correct. you know more than Ibn Abbass, Mohameds first cousin and companion, you know more that the Two Jalalayns, you know more that Sahih bukhari and Sahih Muslim and Abu dawood.
(And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah) so that he may hear your recitation of the words of Allah; (and afterward convey him to his place of safety) to the place he is going, if he remains an unbeliever. (That) which I have mentioned (is because they are a folk who know not) Allah's command and His divine Oneness.
@Thedickknows Huh?? What's wrong with you man? I never say I was "better" than the scholars. I knew you gave me the ayat, the hadith and 2 tafsirs. All I just want is provide proof from the Quran only. ANd all you give me is tafsirs from 2 Jalalayns and Ibn Abbas of the same verse.
@mohol93 No whats wrong with you. I keep presenting the evidence that refutes you and you keep arguing with your greatest scholars and hadith! Thats not how it works. You go to the Quran, if it is not 100% clear, you go to the sunna of Mohamed, and then you verify it by the tafsirs.
Why is it that I have to educate all of you Muslims? No I gave you the tafsirs from ayat 9:5 and ayat 9:6. Go back and read them again! Its the same story with every single Muslim. They cannot accept facts
Then, when the sacred months have passed — that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam;
Now thats the second time I posted it. How much more evidence do you need?
@mohol93 LOL Ok thanks. But I dont see it. I posted the other tafsir. But I dont see a response. Thanks for telling me though, Thats very honest of you. Which is rare when discussing religion with a Muslim. LOL! I already posted the two tafsirs for each verse. They are here. Thanks again
@Thedickknows Hey no probs :) And btw, I'm sorry for insulting ur "Thedickknows" name earlier on. Haha It was wrong of me since you din insult me in the first place :P Sorry again. X( I think it's good to have a debate yeah? Without insulting each other ahaha. It was fun tho. We should be professional like Anis Shorrosh and Ahmed Deedat.
@mohol93 Thats ok bro. I asked for it when I used the name. But Dick is a nick name for Richard in the states. Like Dick Cheney or Dick van dyke. I dont hate mUslims. I just hate Islam. I think Muslims are just deceived or indoctrinated since birth. Most Muslims are wonderful people, in spite of Islam. And Deedat has been refuted. You can search Deedat refuted or Deedat debunked. Peace to you and your family!
@Thedickknows Keeewl. Yeah I know Dick is a common short name lol. Like Bob. Ahaha anyways. You hating Islam is your own opinion and your own view into Islam. I have no rights in controlling your mind and I respect you views ahaha. I have a different view in Islam. Muslims themselves think about Islam in different ways. That's why they are Muslim terrorists and non-violent Muslims, I think lols. I'll search about that Deedat thing later lol. Peace to you too and everyone u love :)
@mohol93 But moderate Muslims like yourself fail to apply the true teachings of Islam and Mohameds sunna. Even though Mohamed is suppose to be the perfect example. And if you look at 99% of Islamic countries and see how Muslims treat non Muslims and the laws are stacked against non Muslims you see the fruit of Islam. I know most Muslims are moderate, but they are also complicate when they do not speak out against the extremists. Because they will be attacked by their own ummah! Peace
@Thedickknows Allah does not forbid you to be good to them and treat them with equity and justice who did not fight against you on (the question of) Din (Religion), nor did they drive you out of your homes (i.e. homeland). Surely Allah likes those who conduct themselves with equity and justice.
@Thedickknows Allah forbids you only to befriend those who fought against you on (the question of) Din (Religion) and drove you out of your homes (i.e. homeland) and aided (your enemies) in expelling you. And whoever makes friends with them, it is they who are the wrongdoers. [Al-Mumtahinah 60:9]
@Thedickknows It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Abu Laila that while Qais b. Sa’d and Sahl b. Hunaif were both in Qadisiyya a bier passed by them and they both stood up. They were told that it was the bier of one of the people of the land (non-Muslim). They said that a bier passed before the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and he stood up. He was told that he (the dead man) was a Jew. ........
@mohol93........ Upon this he remarked: Was he not a human being or did he not have a soul? And in the hadith narrated by ‘Amr b. Murra with the same chain of transmitters, (the words) are:” There passed a bier before us.” (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 2098)
This shows that the Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h respected a Jew by saying "Was he not a human being? Did he not have a soul?" He stood up to show humanity.
"And if any one of the idolaters (ahadun, ‘one’, is in the nominative because of the [following] verb [istajāraka, ‘seeks your protection’] that validates it) seeks your protection, requests security from you against being killed, then grant him protection, provide security for him, so that he might hear the words of God — the Qur’ān —
@mohol93 .....and afterward convey him to his place of security, that is, the dwelling-places of his folk, if he does not believe, so that he might reflect upon his situation — that, which is mentioned, is because they are a people who do not know, the religion of God, and so they must [be made to] hear the Qur’ān in order to [come to] know [religion]."
during the sacred months or at any other time, (and take them (captive)) imprison them, (and besiege them) in their homes, (and prepare for them each ambush) on every road they tread for trade. (But if they repent) from idolatry and believe in Allah (and establish worship) and acknowledge the five daily prayers (and pay the poor-due) acknowledge the payment of the poor-due, (then leave their way free) if they wish to go to the House of Allah
(And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah) so that he may hear your recitation of the words of Allah; (and afterward convey him to his place of safety) to the place he is going, if he remains an unbeliever. (That) which I have mentioned (is because they are a folk who know not) Allah's command and His divine Oneness.
@1221max I find the saddest quote in Quran is where it say when help poor Sura 76:9 " for the sake of God alone " It shows Nuhammad was a man completly devoid of love for his fellow man, It is sad that people think this man could be prophet and even sadder that they think there works will save them. Jesus healed the Blind, Muhammad turned his back on a Blindman. The difference is as clear as night and day
@AHMED87300 I find the saddest quote in Quran is where it say when help poor Sura 76:9 " for the sake of God alone " It shows Nuhammad was a man completly devoid of love for his fellow man, It is sad that people think this man could be prophet and even sadder that they think there works will save them. Jesus healed the Blind, Muhammad turned his back on a Blindman. The difference is as clear as night and day
@mohol93 You are only to help the Muslims. You are not suppose to help the kafre. The Zakat cannot be used for non Muslim poor. If the person is in a non-Muslim country and he is obliged to feed poor people, then if there are any Muslim people in that country who are entitled to be given food, he should feed them. Otherwise he may send it to any Muslim country where the people are in need of this food. And Allaah knows best.
Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Fataawa al-Siyaam, (112).
@Thedickknows But in the Quran (9:6) - And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are people who do not know
“Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”- Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h
@mohol93 Yeah, that if they are going to submit to Islam. Hear the word of Allah. Read 9:5 it says to kill them lie in wait for them and then if they accept Islam then leave them alone. And yes you are to feed the sick and hungry, sick and hungry Muslims!
Why didnt you provide the source? Is that a hadith? When you present evidence you should produce the source. Or else it is just opinion. And your scholars who issued the Fatwa said it, not me.
@Thedickknows It's true that Zakat is only for poor Muslims, but a Muslim can always donate to other sort of donations for non-Muslims. Heck even Muslims donate blood to non-Muslims. That's donation also right? ahaha
@mohol93 Because you say or do something does not mean that it is in compliance with Islamic doctrine or rulings. I showed you the fatwa. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with your scholars.
@gavin238612 I believe the "blindman" is not literally a person who can't see with his eyes but a person who can't see the right path of Islam. An unbeliever.
@mohol93 hang on I thought the Quran was the book sent to make things clear, it could not be clearer. If it was a metaphor the use of the words a blindman not the blindman would have been more apt.
@gavin238612 Sura 80:7 - And no blame is on you if he (the blindman) would not purify himself.
This clearly says that it's not a Muslim fault if the non-Muslim doesn't want to turn into Islam (the right path).
So i think the whole sura is about an unbeliever. A person blinded from the right path. Read the whole chapter because every verse link to one another to makes things even clearer.
@mohol93 do your research and you will find it is in refernce to a man born blind called IBN UMM MAKTUM and the story is confirmed in (Malik's Muwatta, Book 15, Number 15.4.8)
Your own sources qualify this verse and show that is was literally blind.
@gavin238612 For 1400 years non belivers have taken a verse on face value, presented it to a Muslim and the muslim says this means something else. The non believer goes away and finds that they were correct all along.
@gavin238612 Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that his father said that Abasa (Sura 80) was sent down about Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum. He came to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and began to say, "O Muhammad, show me a place near you (where I can sit)," whilst ONE OF THE LEADING MEN OF THE IDOL WORSHIPPERS was in audience with the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace......
@mohol93 ....The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, began to turn away from him and give his attention to the other man, and he said to him, "Father of so-and-so, do you see any harm in what I am saying?" and he said, "No, by the blood (of our sacrifices) I see no harm in what you are saying." And Abasa - "He frowned and turned away when the blind man came" - was sent down.
Basically the "one of the leading men of idol worshipper" = "the blind man"
@mohol93 Your starting to wear thin, you have had no god encounter, no miracle healing. You just gobb, off. As if a peopdophile ( I can prove in sources that Aisha was pre puberty when he did her ) murderer, prisoner killing, adultorer, idoltorer sicko is a prophet. Wakeup, it is sick
@gavin238612 Gavin son of a bitch, listen cock sucker, I told you, terms such as pedophile is not allowed. Now the mother of your god was just 12 when she married a 90 years old man. This put your god as spent 9 months in a child womb between the age of 10 - 12. Now shit head what do you call that? Your god spent 9 months in a child womb and two years suckling from a child breast. I shit on the cross that holds your fake god lying dead. Mother fucker.
@TheSaffyone If you knew your sources, he had sex with Aisha pre puberty. FACT!. There you go again talking about mary being 12, THIS IS NOT IN BIBLE.
@gavin238612 I know our sources and I know how to approach them. Your problem is, you don't know our sources yet you claim to know how to approach them.
1- How many narrators backed the story. Only one. Fail
2- How old was the narrator. Too old above 70. Doubted
3- Has his mental ability been disputed. Yes. Fail
4- Is there a broken chain. In this story, No. Pass
5- Is the person trust worthy. Yes. Pass
Overall fail
In a nutshell Sunnah isn't single sourced hadith that have doubts. Duh
@gavin238612 He is lying there are multiple sources and narrations. Check everything he says. Muslims will always lie to defend their child molesting rapist serial killer false Prophet!
Narrated Urwa bin Al-Musayyab Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805
Narrated Hisham's father Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated 'Ursa: Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88
And the list goes on and on. Also in Tabari and Ishaq. Dont be mad at him, he has been indoctrinated since birth!
@Thedickknows when it comes to knowledge, you thick skull, Islam is decentralized, meaning, there are so many opinions.
I am not going to look at your sources because I have stopped checking because they are false.
Narrated Aisha, which logically cannot be, because she is from the first generation.
Hisham's chain is the only trust worthy part of the narration. Hadith collection is not the source. it doesn't matter how many books mentioned the story, it all goes back to 3generation
@TheSaffyone Of course your noit going to look. Because to do so would destroy your preconceived indoctrinated ideas. Damn the evidence, your going to believe what you want regardless of how much, how authentic, and how reliable it is. You will not accept anything that contradicts your fallacious unsubstantiated opinion.HAHAHA! Your excuses are as pathetic as anything I have ever seen. I am going to make another prediction, Man will find life on another planet! Says dickknows PBUH
@Thedickknows Just mentioned to me the chain of narration to prove that you know them as authentic. The hadith is dis-missed out right if it starts from the first generation under the category broken chain. Are you stupid?.
@Thedickknows yes that is correct, I have come to know a practising Muslim personally, I do not exagerate when i say unless they are lying, manipulating, flattering etc they have nothing to say without exception. They lie like we breath. God help us
@TheSaffyone I call that common knowledge and of no great significance. Are you saying that the people of Mohameds time were not aware that the Egyptians did not preserve bodies and Mummify them? This is nothing that any moderately informed person would not know that it was most likely preserved. First he was royalty, secondly they had been using Mummification for hundreds and even thousands of years prior to Mohamed.
@Thedickknows I am going to make a prediction. Someone is going to find the remains of a dinosaur that has never been discovered before. I am not going to say when, but I can assure you it will happen. Remember this, because one day you shall call me Prophet Dickknows (PBUH)!
@Thedickknows In relation to the Mummy, you stupid Mummy and Mami's boy, this Mummy is not a Mummy. It was drowned as the cause of death, and it was preserved with its full body parts including, the heart, longs.
You dumb, if it was a mummy then the internal parts should have been removed and the brain should be sucked out of its place in order for the salt to reach the skin. Do you understand why it is a Miracle. Special Mummy, in special time = Unique !Mummy . ! means = "Not"
@TheSaffyone There is nothing special about the Quranic ayat. It doesn't say anything of the sort that it will be a special mummy. It just refers to remains. Refuted again. Your logical fallacies are a joke, and are reserved for the brainwashed and brain-dead!
I feel another prediction coming on. There will be a great earth quake on the West coast of the United states. From Prophet dickknows Peace and Blessings Be upon Him!
@TheSaffyone Thats not putting anything in perspective! Can you please elaborate!
The Great Prophet dickknows (PBUH) has another prophecy. There will be an unknown species never before seen discovered in the ocean. Says Prophet dickknows Peace and blessings be upon him!
@TheSaffyone I am not like your Father and cross dressing false Prophet! Just because gay incest runs in your family do not assume it is everyone's!
Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 3941
“O Um Salama! Do not hurt me with Aisha; for by Allah, the inspiration did not descent on me while I was IN THE COVERINGS (lihaf) of any of you (women) except Aisha.”
Who determines whom God can become and whom he cannot?
JackSparrowDepp 4 minutes ago
Absolutely amazing. Pathetic and amazing! Remarkable what an imbecile you are!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
Islams Allah
Holds the Sky from Falling Allah holds up the sky. It will not fall unless he wants it to do so (22:65).
Face Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal (55:26-27).
Judge He (Allah) is the best of judges (95:8, 10:109).
Taking a Vow He (Allah) vows by the dawn and the ten nights, by the even and odd, and by the night when it departs or comes... this surely is a great oath for a reasonable man (92:1-5).
Thedickknows 6 days ago
After the heavens were finished, the one who built it went up to his throne in heaven and from there continues to keep the heavens and the earth from disappearing (13:2, 57:4, 35:41). On the judgment day the sky will be torn apart and eight angels will be seen carrying the throne of Allah above their heads (69:15-17, 39:75). Those who hold up Allah’s throne and surround it constantly pray that those Muslims who deserve it would be forgiven (40:7-9).
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows That's in the end. We might see God in heaven but not in here. He is the owner of the judgement day. He will then judge you.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone HAHAHA! So your Allah has a face. Does he have an ass and a penis as well or is he just a face? And what does he sit on the throne with? His face?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
69:15-17, 39:75). Those who hold up Allah’s throne and surround it constantly pray that those Muslims who deserve it would be forgiven (40:7-9). So does he rest his chin on his throne or his arse? LOL!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows any descriptions of God is strictly metaphor. Don't imagine God but if you have too then imagine him as the light. If hands, kicks etc are only description in pure nature. Example, standing between God's hands doesn't mean littrally the hands shapped of a human being or a hand at all, simply we don't know him. Standing in God's hand is desrcibing the status of a person in the judgement day.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone Oh so you have a double standard. Where do you get that idea?
The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30). Allah was in the fire and all around it (27:8).
Oh no, look, Allah entered his creation. He is the creator of fire, right?
Your God cannot enter man but he can enter fire?
Man is greater than fire. So My God is greater than your God.
THE END!~ SO SORRY~~~~~~~~~~
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows I feel sorry for you, Yah you won but I hope this is the end of the debate. Moses heard God, talked to him, drank cup of coffees and he told him all about the planning of having a son or having his own self as the son.
Are you happy now, now bug off
This is the End
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Don't cross the line.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone Just remember all of the arguments I refuted, And then dont use them again. But I doubt you have that ability for intellectual integrity! Peace out!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
God is so unique that to fully and accurately understand Him, one would have to be God. What we know about Him is restricted by the limitations of human understanding. Some Jewish thinkers like Maimonides (1135-1204) argued that we could not make any affirmative statements about God. Anything we said about Him would limit and diminish Him. A perfect being can have no limitations. Physical objects are always limited – by their own boundaries and dimensions.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows I agree with the Jewish thinker, i.e God in a flesh in putting physical object to the unlimited God, don't you think so?
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone No If you say God cannot enter his creation then you are saying that God has limitations. Dont you think? DUH!
Right and Left Hand Sides At the final judgment Muslims will stand on his right hand side and those who deny the teachings of the Qur'an will stand on his left hand side (90:17-19). So your Allah has sides.
Does he have arms? I thought he was omniscient. LOL!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows No you misunderstood the left from right. It describes the person that is standing before Allah and not Allah himself. You will have your books on your left. I hope mine will be on the right side of me.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone HAHAHA! Now your going to redefine words and give them new meanings? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! Thats not what it says.
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا هُمْ أَصْحَابُ ٱلْمَشْأَمَةِ }
But those who disbelieve in Our signs, they are the ones of the left [side] (al-mash’ama means al-shimāl). WOW where is your tafsir and hadiths that people revere? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
GOD IS BEYOND LOGIC!!!!
God is restricted by NOTHING!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The Muslim mind is a congealed mess of inconsistencies and logical fallacies.
God is not bound by logic and to say that he is is to say he is not God! DUH!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows BWAHA, be a Hindu as supreme god in Hindusim has unlimited forms of persons. Now this is what I call unrestricted. The diffrence between Christianity and Hindusim is the restrictions of three persons applied to a god.
Thanks Allah for making me Muslim and opening my eyes to the true monotheist faith.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone God is not a person. We established that fact a long time ago. God entered his creation. See you have to be dishonest and lie. The difference between Hinduism and Christianity is everything. Your a liar and you have to lie to defend Islam and misrepresent Christianity! Just like Mohamed did when he created his Allah who cannot have a son without a partner! LOL!
How could He have a son when He has no consort, S. 6:100-101 Your Allah is as weak as Mohameds imagination!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows I am surprised on the level of ignorants of the rinity among Christians. When did we establish the fact a long time ago? Google the trinity and know your religion you idiot. I will stop my conversation with you if you don't understand your trinity.
God is the three persons is well established fact.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Definition:
The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one." The Trinity expresses the belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Soruce: Christian dot about dot com
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@Thedickknows The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.
Source: Catholic encyclopedia
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one."
Thank you, three are one. God is not restricted by anything. Your Allah cannot even create a son without a partner. My God is so awesome that he is beyong our imagination. Now whose God is greater. A God that cannot be explained or a God that cannnot even create a son without having a sexual partner!
My God is the greatest and is not bound by anything, My God beats your man made God!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows We established that fact in our conversation. Jesus is the flesh, God is in the flesh. The flesh is not Jesus. When Jesus died God did not die but the flesh died. If you would take the time to read our correspondences you would have known this.
And by the way I am not Catholic, and the Catholics are not the authority. Let me ask the Shia or Ahmadiya about Islam. I will use them as an authority from now on!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows I have no sect at all. I am just a Muslim. However I consider, Sunah and Shia as valid sources if they make sense. Ahmadia is not part of Islam because they have destroyed two essential elements. One, Prophet Mohammed is the final messanger, and two we are waiting for Christ the son of Marry not Mizra Ahmad . Apart of that, I don't know much about Ahmadia.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone HAHAHA! If they make sense. So you are your scholar. You determine what you want to believe and what you dont. You fabricate your own version of Allah. Just like Mohamed. Your Allah is limited by your imagination. Mine is not!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Correct, I am my own scholar with reasonable ground and only take matters from an accadmic point of view. We have shaiks who haven't got a clue what they are talking about. Fatwa shouldn't be in the hand of one person.
Seek knowldege from birth to death is an advice commanded by prophet Mohammed.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone Ok So can we see the whale and the Bull from space?
Tafsir Tabari, Al Qurtubi and Ibn Abbas also give the same ideas.
It was said that Nun refers to a great whale that rides on the currents of the waters of the great ocean and on its back it carries the seven Earths, as was stated by Imam Abu Jafar Ibn Jarir.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Yah from answeringislam. Provide us the links to the argument . In this one, you and your sources are bankrupt to the extend making lies to defame Islam. No kid , whom he doesn't know he is own religion cannot go around and pretend to know another religion. This is an Islamic established fact. Your books will be carried by you and it will be handed to you either by right or left.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone Your Allah is a tree! So sorry!
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And when he reached it, a call came from the right bank, [the right] side, of the valley, to Moses, at the blessed spot, [blessed] for Moses, because of his hearing God’s speech therein, from the tree (mina’l-shajarati substitutes for min shāti’i, ‘from the [right] bank’, ‘O Moses! Indeed I am God, the Lord of the Worlds’.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows is god 3 persons or not? answer it, earlier you said he is not persons, Do you admit you were wrong about the very basic of your own religion.
until you admit you were wrong then there is no debate worth to take on with an idiot of your type !
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone Persons is not the word, that is an allegory. Like saying that you are a Father, son, and brother, Uncle, cousin etc. God interacts with us through in three ways, he always was, the father, he dwelt among us, the son, we dwells among us in the holy spirit. I though you were done.
Quran ~ 16.102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Holy spirit been and gone, it is believed to be but not 100% sure that it is angel Jebrael.
Believe what you want and I will be worshiping who I want. You have your religion and I have mine.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone So the holy spirit died? You make no sense.
And you have your religion and I have mine is abrogated by the verse of the sword 9:5 and the open ended ayat of subjugation , death, or conversion 9:29
If you want to believe what you want thats fine with me, but from this day forward you will know in your heart that it is a lie. And the version you follow is a fictitious revisionist view created in your own mind! Your life is a lie from this day on! Peace!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Im sorry I meant to say the holy spirit dwells in us. Bad typing.
And I complete destroyed every single issue you presented. My God has no limitations, your God does. You were inconsistent, I was. So if I am an idiot, then you are an amoeba!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows Lie is 3 = 1 , It is false in every ground of reasoning then have your religion. It is your bed and sleep on it.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone 1 divided by 1 divided by 1 divided by 1 equals ONE.
FACT!
God has no limitations, even Mathematics cannot restrict God. If you say he is bound by anything you can imagine then you are putting restrictions on God. Thank you for showing your Allah is not God. You and Islam have been refuted and exposed!
Your life is a lie from this day forward.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows 1 shared by 1 shared by 1 if and only if the logic is (or and) . Claim to know the trinity then the logic of God the father and god the son and god the holy spirit can only be explained in plus + meaning
1 + 1 + 1 = 1
unless you are not sure then use the logic of
or and.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
@TheSaffyone LOL! Ok IS God limited by mathematics? Yes or no?
Just answer the question.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows "If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." - Albert Einstein
"God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world" Paul Dirac
The answer is no, Allah is not limited by maths, however for an argument of logic, the truth has to be measured. The truth is we don't know God and when he says he is 1 then 1 = 1 end of the story.
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
@TheSaffyone IS God limited by Mathematics?
Yes or No?
Can God do what we believe to be the impossible? Yes or No? Stop deflecting.
Your using logical fallacies. Either God has limitations or not.
God is not bound by logic. You are a hypocrite and contradicting yourself.
Your saying God has no limitations but he does, Your insane!
Thedickknows 5 days ago
@Thedickknows And yes you moron. God uses mathematics to create the world. THE WORLD! YOU ARE A IMBECILE!
Thedickknows 5 days ago
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@TheSaffyone Mate, you shouldn't try to explain Islam to ths dickhead because he's a hypocrite. If you think that he's interested in truth, you are mistaken. All you should do is bash his own pagan religion and catch him in contradicting himself, only then he will shut up. For example, he said that God is not bound by our logic, then he laughed off the possibilit of God having a face. LOL his own man-god had face. Not that I'm saying that Allah has a face, but catch him in contradicting himself.
JackSparrowDepp 6 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp You right in here, He is full of contradiction and doesn't listen to logic.
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
@TheSaffyone YEs you are full of contradictions. Your a complete and total hypocrite!
Thedickknows 5 days ago
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@Thedickknows I wiped the floor with you 2 times during a year. You don't know neither Islam nor christianity. You look like a monkey who was locked in a library for 5 years and memorized everything he could but without understanding. Enough from you.
JackSparrowDepp 4 days ago
@Thedickknows You are describing yourself "Hypocrite"!.Anyway. My lord is one and 1 = 1. Your lord is one of three. How? here you should listen to logic. The father is the creator of heavens and earth. Christ didn't create a nothing. You went for the logic shared. Shared in Islam is Shirk. 1 shared by 1 by one. You shared the power of God by 3 entities.
Allah shares his power with absolutely no one. Your god is 3, mine is 1
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone One what? Shin?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Or one tree? BWAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!
Does Allah shave his leg? BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
68:42 The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able
Thedickknows 3 days ago
@Thedickknows U said "God is not a person. We established that fact a long time ago. God entered his creation. See you have to be dishonest and lie".
yet, Trinity Theology In most Christian faiths, the union of THREE divine persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one God.
who's lying? Ur god is 3 persons according to ur sources.
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone Allah is not a person. He is a leg!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
68:42 The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able Is Allah the leg lying? What kind of razor does he use? Does he wear stockings?
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Thedickknows 3 days ago
@Thedickknows do you admit defeat?
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone Defeat? What are you talking about? You are so delusional.
Your Allah is a leg! A fricken LEG! You have got to be kidding me. You have been defeated in every single topic. Islam is a lie and exposed, by me! And it was easy! Your just to dumb to know how stupid you are!
Now go raise your ass to the leg! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Thedickknows 3 days ago
@Thedickknows who is incapable of intellectual debate and Critical thinking !. Now we have established the fact that your god is 3 persons then if you want to use the logic shared, then the formula is 3 / 1 is one third. Your pathetic mind is saying 3 shared by 1 is 1. How Christical thinking and anti-Critical thinking, lying and saying the forumal is 1 shared by 1 by 1. I am asking you again is your god 3 persons or not? and how come you don't know that?
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone No we have established the fact that My God jhas no limitations, and can do as he pleases.
And we have also established that your Allah cannot have a son without a partner and is a LEG!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA! And no God is not a person. That is an allegory, an example! DUH!
But we do know your Allah is a leg! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Thedickknows 3 days ago
@Thedickknows "Trinity expresses the belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion". So you are lying again. god according to the definition is 3 persons equal and co exist. You don't understand the trinity do you?
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone You are being intellectually dishonest, and you know it. Nobody, not one single Christian in the world thinks God is a person. See you have to lie in order to make a point. Its quite sad and I am embarrassed for you.
And your Leg knows you are being deceptive! How pathetic that the only way you think you can win a debate is by lying and misrepresenting the facts. While I present the facts. It is so pathetic.
Now go raise your ass in the air for your God the LEG! LOL!
Thedickknows 3 days ago
@Thedickknows
So being deceptive," No Christian thinks God is a person", because god is not one person but he is 3 according to the definitions.
TheSaffyone 3 days ago
@TheSaffyone Keep lying, it has served you well all your life. You live a lie and you spew lies. Because you have to, if you didnt lie to yourself and other your whole life would come crashing down around you. Now Go kiss your pagan rock and bow down to your leg!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Thedickknows 3 days ago
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@Thedickknows Seek mental help. Keep lying, who is lying. "god is a leg, Islam is pagan, worshiping rock, moon god".We heard it all. What more pathetic "Christiacal thinker" is going to add. Christical thinking instead of Critical thinking produced 1 god is 3p.
I have provided you clear definitions, yet disputing your own authorities. Kid, I didn't define the trinity, some idiots in Christianity did.
"who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion" what does that mean?
TheSaffyone 2 days ago
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@Thedickknows I have provided you verifiable source while you failed to provide any validation to your sources. god is a leg is the most stupid thing I have ever heard from a stupid Christian. I heard Allah is the moon god but I have never heard the leg argument before. You are creative in deceiving yourself.
TheSaffyone 2 days ago
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@Thedickknows You still failed to explain the trinity to us. If Allah used maths to create the universe then how come he failed to use correct logic to define himself. Sorry Allah is just the father. Allah in here is just 1/3 of your god heads. god has 3 pop up heads lol.
Retrace the argument your god uses correct math in his creation but fails to use basic logic for himself. What a god head!
TheSaffyone 2 days ago
@Thedickknows If your God has no limitations how do you know that he is not a shit inside your stomach?
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp That is such a moronic statement it deserves no response! I cant believe how dumb you are.
So your Allah cant be a shit if he wanted to? Yes or no? LOL! Man you are stupid! Dumber than Saffyone!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
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JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
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@Thedickknows If you consider my question dumb then I did a great job of exposing how stupid your arguments are, hence how stupid is your man-made religion. Just think, you said that your god has no limitations, i.e. he can be anyone and anything he wants. So again, can he be a shit inside your stomach?
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@TheSaffyone Mate, did you see my question to the dickhead? Check and mate. LOL. Believe me, that's the only way to handle him.
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp OMg you are so dumb. Just because God can do something does not mean that he would.
If your Allah cannot do what he wants then he has limitations. Just because he can do whatever he wants does not mean that he wants to.
Go look up logical fallacy and faulty debating tactics! Your clearly an imbecile!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows Idiot, don't even try to teach me logic. My IQ level is at least 10 times higher than yours.
I didn't say that your god wants to do this or that. I just asked you a question: how do you know that the shit inside you is not your god?
Now, you are trying to say that you know what your god will and will not want to do. How do you know that? Is he bound by your logic? Bingo, backfired!!! hahahahaha
As I said before, you look like a monkey who reads stuff without understanding. LOL
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp This is why I dont communicate with you. Your to dumb to know how truly stupid you are.
LOL! What kind of a question is that? It doesnt even make sense! Where would you reach the conclusion that God is a piece of shit? Where did you get the premise that God is shit? LOL!
Your so dumb you think your saying something that makes sense but it is stupid I dont even know what to say.
This is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said to me in my entire life!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows Mind you, you still didn't answer my question. You bla bla bla doesn't save your ass. I didn't say that your god is a piece of shit. The same questions you are asking me I can ask you: "where would you reach the conclusion that God is a man, a part of trinity, one in three or three in one?" LOL. You have been telling to another muslims that your god ha sno limitations and now you are restricting him to your own logic. LMAO Don't you even feel the contradiction, clown? Go to circus!
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp BEcause your question is a straw man argument, a red herring, a logical fallacy, a non sequaitar and every other faulty debating tactic and illogical question there is. It is a presupposition. Do you know what that is? God is not a man. God entered into a man and I state that because thats what the Bible says. No it is not a contradiction, because there is no reason to believe that God would be a piece of shit. You are so dumb it is AMAZING! It a presupposition!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows Is it you who decides what is a straw man argument or a logical fallacy? To me, your saying that God has no limitations is a straw man and logical fallacy, and all I have been doing was to try to show you that. It amazes me that you still don't understand your stupidity. Because Bible says so? LOL So if Bible said that god became a piece of shit inside you would you believe it as well? To us, your belief is as much nonsensical as god being a shit. You are dumb, not me. hahahahahaha
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp OMG you are so incredibly stupid. Do you even know the definition of those terms.
And are you actually trying to say that God does have limitations? Thaty there are some things he cannot do?
if he cannot do something then how could he be God.
You may be retarded. And I am not even joking. A five year old child could understand this concept!
You should have adult supervision on the computer. I mean seriously, You are the dumbest adult I have ever spoken to!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows Straw man tactics. Making a caricature out of a position in order to make it easier to attack. This is when people Assume they know someone's point of view, and begin arguing a made-up construction about their opponent, rather than just debate the words of their opponent. In short, you assume that your opponent believes something that he or she did not explicitly state.
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows False premise: debater makes a statement that assumes some other fact has already been proven when it has not; in court, such a statement will be objected to by opposing counsel on the grounds that it “assumes facts not in evidence”
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows Your empty lines do not save your ass. You are trying to sound smart, but the fact is you are NOT. You have already been caught by me contradicting yourself regarding one of Quranic verses in another video. You are so dumb that you didn't even know that you were contradciting yourself there. Your man-made religion is as dumb as you are. Sorry to disappoint you but the definition of God is not introduced by your pagan religion. God cannot do anything that diminishes his divinity.
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp You can spew all of the straw man arguments and red herrings and logical fallacies.
But Entering man, his creation whom he loves, does not diminish him in nay way. But entering a tree might. And I never contradicted myself, you may just be to dumb to comprehend what said. I dont like you, you never make sense and you just spew worthless rhetoric.
The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30).
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows You don't like me because I have been owning your ass for the whole year. I revealed in public what kind of a hypocrite you are. Talking about false premises, but that's exactly what you are doing. Who determines whom God can become and whom he cannot? All of your false premises are based on 4 books contradicting each other. For you it doesn't matter what those books say, how they contradict to each other and common sense, if they said something then that must be true! U are a joke
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp LOL! You have never owned me in one single topic. Your a pathetic imbecile. Your a hypocrite!
Look what you just typed. Quote from you!~ "Who determines whom God can become and whom he cannot? "
You are without a doubt the dumbest person I have ever spoken to in my entire life.,
Your such a moronic hypocrite it is amazing. And I dont even know if you even comprehend how you just destroyed yourself. LOL
You are pathetic!
Thedickknows 2 days ago
@Thedickknows I have owned you like shit on 2 different occasion until now, now the 3-rd time.
Yeah, yeah I destroyed myself. I know perfectly what you are going to say, but be aware my answer is ready for each of your stupid argument. You are a stupid teen.
JackSparrowDepp 2 days ago
@JackSparrowDepp Ok keep telling yourself that. You just destroyed your own illogical argument and its here for all to see. Funny I dont remember you ever owning anyone in any topic. You look foolish and do nothing but harm to Islam. You expose how backward and illogical Muslims are. So please keep it up. And I am far from a teen little girl!
Thedickknows 1 day ago
@Thedickknows Haha so you are a girl? OMG and I was thinking why this idiot is so dumb!!! LOL. If I had destroyed myself you would have told us how I did it. You cannot because you are bluffing. What is worse, it appears to me you didn't even understand why I posed that question. True, I have been owning your ass, teenage masturbator. Just remember how you were trying to address a Quranic marriage like a rape and then yourself said it was "marriage". I've never met such a dumbass like u before.
JackSparrowDepp 1 day ago
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@JackSparrowDepp nO yOU ARE A LITTLE GIRL.
Who determines whom God can become and whom he cannot?
JackSparrowDepp 4 minutes ago
Absolutely amazing. Pathetic and amazing! Remarkable what an imbecile you are!
Thedickknows 1 day ago
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@Thedickknows you said" OMg you are so dumb. Just because God can do something does not mean that he would". This is exactly the point we are trying to deliver. God wouldn't be a man. A man is not God. God is not a man. A man and God are not from the same species or the same world, or in the same time and space. God is way above our imagination and understanding. Cut it short, God is not someone you can comprehend. Don't imagine him.
TheSaffyone 2 days ago
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@JackSparrowDepp The best part I liked is "You are trying to sound smart, but the fact is you are NOT". True he is trying to sound smart but he is one of the most stupid creation. If god can be anything then the question, can he be a cow?
If he found the question stupid then he proved how stupid his argument.
You have wiped the floor with him.
TheSaffyone 2 days ago
@Thedickknows "Like saying the son, uncle, father all can exist in the same person" Dear, your uncle is not your father unless you know what!. Your father cannot be your son at the same time or be the same person and having the two titles.
You claim your god is father, son and holy spirit at the same time. If so you should say, god can be a father, a son, a holy spirit. One of many 1 - m relationship. Do you get the logic? there is no uniqueness in your argument
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
@TheSaffyone No it;s like saying GOD HAS NO LIMITATIONS!
GOD IS NOT LIKE ANYTHING YOU CAN DESCRIBE! YOU ARE A MENTAL MIDGET!
And God the father son and holy spirit is just an allegory, an attempt to describe it in human terms. We can have no comprehension of God and his vastness and his abilities. To describe him would be utterly impossible! Your a total MORON . hypocrite and lack critical thinking!
Thedickknows 5 days ago
@Thedickknows while talking about critical thinking, then shouldn't be the logic of AND for PLUS. Critically analyze the following mathematical problem!
1 + 1 + 1 = 1. How? using Critical thinking!.
Really LOL
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
@TheSaffyone Because mathematics does not apply to God you fucking moron.
Ok your Allah is two, if we dont count your holy spirit!
28.030 But when he came to the (fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a tree in hallowed ground: "O Moses! Verily I am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds...
So Islams Allah is a tree and Allah So 1tree + 1 Allah + 2
So your Allah is two Gods. A tree and Allah Oh lets not forget the fire in the tree! hypocrite! That makes 4 LOL
Thedickknows 5 days ago
@Thedickknows Trinity is your problem. Where did you learn math? your teacher deserve the capital punishment. Your problem is learning maths from priest.
Hearing something from behind the tree doesn't mean it is the tree. Do you really think so? then God help you. It is like saying I hear voice from next door then the voice is next door walls talking. David Wood how are you?
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
@TheSaffyone Your Allah is a tree, a fire, Allah and holy spirit!
It doesnt say from behind a tree. So was Allah hiding behind a tree? BWAHAHAHAHA!
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And when he reached it, a call came from the right bank, [the right] side, of the valley, to Moses, at the blessed spot, [blessed] for Moses, because of his hearing God’s speech therein, from the tree ‘O Moses! Indeed I am God, the Lord of the Worlds’.
How did he create a tree when he has no seed? LOL!
Thedickknows 5 days ago
@Thedickknows Maybe God made the tree talk. It is clear facts in Islam any description associated with God, doesn't describe God. Meaning the title Moses of being Kaleem Allah as in the one talked directly to. How did God directly speak to Moses? No he didn't and no one can hear, see, touch God. Don't use Tafsir because you use them with clear malice.
But when there came to them Our visible signs, they said, "This is obvious magic." 27:13
why cutting the part that continues the story?
TheSaffyone 5 days ago
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Thedickknows 5 days ago
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@TheSaffyone Oh so any description of God in the Quran is not God. LOL! But you want to prescribe a mathematical description of my God. I see, Thats called hypocrisy you fucking moron!
Oh I forgot, your Allah is also a leg, is there an ass attached to that keg or is it just a part of a leg hopping around?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
68:42 The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able
Your Allah is now a part of a leg! LOL
Thedickknows 5 days ago
@Thedickknows Kid, how old are you? My God is not my dad and he is not a dady to anyone. He is simply the creator of everthing including your sorry ass. Go drink milk before bed. Is your god THREE (3) PERSONS? Do you clearly understand that?, your god is THREE (3) PERSONS. My God is not a person and he is THE ONE.
The Christian god is 3 therefore he is not one, hence paganism is the perfect description.
TheSaffyone 6 days ago
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@TheSaffyone God is so unique that to fully and accurately understand Him, one would have to be God. What we know about Him is restricted by the limitations of human understanding. Some Jewish thinkers like Maimonides (1135-1204) argued that we could not make any affirmative statements about God. Anything we said about Him would limit and diminish Him. A perfect being can have no limitations. Physical objects are always limited – by their own boundaries and dimensions.
Thedickknows 6 days ago
@Thedickknows The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one." Enough said!
A perfect being cannot receive, since there is nothing that He does not have. He can only give. Indeed, of the different characteristics that are ascribed to G-d in the mystical tradition, the single most important one is as a Giver, as a G-d of loving kindness and compassion. Because Man cannot comprehend his greatness does not mean his greatness does not exist! DUH!
Thedickknows 6 days ago
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6 MILLION MUSLIMS CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY EVERY YEAR !
According to Al-Jazeerah's interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law , he confirms 6 MILLION MUSLIMS convert to Christianity every year in Africa ! (google and see yourself)
Accept Jesus Christ as your savior !
JesusSavesMuslims 1 week ago
Jesus has nothing to do with Muhammad. Jesus’ heaven has no mates, Muhammad’s jannah has houris. Jesus’ God detested re-marriages (Deut 24:4), but allah encouraged it!...Jesus says a man who marries a divorcee commits adultery (Luke 16:18), yet Muhammad told Zaid to divorce his wife so he can marry her! In Exodus 3:15 God said His only name is Yahweh. BUT allah has 99 names…none of them is Yahweh! Jesus even said the LAST PROPHET was John the Baptist (Luke 16:16) !
These are ALARM BELLS !
Youngsamsonful 1 week ago
@Youngsamsonful Amen brother!
Thedickknows 1 week ago
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@Youngsamsonful You are bringing up verses from the New Testament like they are of a divine origin LOL. The Bible was written by people who lived centuries after Jesus died and never saw him. Type on youtube "Misquoting Jesus" and watch how Ph.D. in religious studie Bart Ehrman proves that the Bible is corrupt. Wake up and smell the coffee, clown.
JackSparrowDepp 1 week ago
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the fucking jews kill jesus
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Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
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=_=""" I just said "ANd all you give me is tafsirs from 2 Jalalayns and Ibn Abbas of the same verse." Isn't that the same with you saying "No I gave you the tafsirs from ayat 9:5 and ayat 9:6" ??? Gooosh man.
Hadiths doesn't help you to give the meaning of an ayat in the Quran. It's just reports by scholars on what Prophet Muhammad s.a.w said. HELOO? Gosh I never ask an evidence from hadiths or fatwa in the 1st place.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
Like you said "you say or do smth does not mean that it is in compliance with Islamic doctrine". But fatwas are opinions made by Muslim scholars but it not necessarily from the words of Allah. I too am not 100% confident with Islamic laws but it does not mean Islamic laws are 100% correct because it's not from Allah swt Himself. Please give me proves from Quran only because it's the word from Allah swt.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
Nope you're wrong read carefully " UNTIL he hears the word of Allah" it means protect non-Muslims until they finally become Muslims.
Quran (9:13) What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 HAHAHA! I like how you stopped replying to me hoping I wouldn't respond. No it doesnt. REad it and weep.
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Then, when the sacred months have passed — that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam;
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Err I wasn't scared. I just forgot to reply by pressing the reply button on ur msg that's all =_=" Don't be childish >.>
Anyways, the Prophet Muhammad's quotes is a hadith actually.
Just google "Official Hadith of One Islam | Sahih Muhammad | Sickness"
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Well Muslims do that when I refute them all the time. And I already refuted you with the tafsir. Now you want a hadith? OK! Wow they all agree with me!!
Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Dude please I never ask for a hadith. =_="
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 No I presented the ayat, the hadith, and two tafsirs, and you are argueing with all of Islamic doctrine and telling me that your the greatest scholar and all of those are inocrrect and you are correct. you know more than Ibn Abbass, Mohameds first cousin and companion, you know more that the Two Jalalayns, you know more that Sahih bukhari and Sahih Muslim and Abu dawood.
Where is your published works with references?
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah) so that he may hear your recitation of the words of Allah; (and afterward convey him to his place of safety) to the place he is going, if he remains an unbeliever. (That) which I have mentioned (is because they are a folk who know not) Allah's command and His divine Oneness.
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Huh?? What's wrong with you man? I never say I was "better" than the scholars. I knew you gave me the ayat, the hadith and 2 tafsirs. All I just want is provide proof from the Quran only. ANd all you give me is tafsirs from 2 Jalalayns and Ibn Abbas of the same verse.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 No whats wrong with you. I keep presenting the evidence that refutes you and you keep arguing with your greatest scholars and hadith! Thats not how it works. You go to the Quran, if it is not 100% clear, you go to the sunna of Mohamed, and then you verify it by the tafsirs.
Why is it that I have to educate all of you Muslims? No I gave you the tafsirs from ayat 9:5 and ayat 9:6. Go back and read them again! Its the same story with every single Muslim. They cannot accept facts
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows 9:5
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Then, when the sacred months have passed — that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam;
Now thats the second time I posted it. How much more evidence do you need?
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows I just replied you just to inform you lol forgot to use reply button again on ur replied box :P
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 LOL Ok thanks. But I dont see it. I posted the other tafsir. But I dont see a response. Thanks for telling me though, Thats very honest of you. Which is rare when discussing religion with a Muslim. LOL! I already posted the two tafsirs for each verse. They are here. Thanks again
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Hey no probs :) And btw, I'm sorry for insulting ur "Thedickknows" name earlier on. Haha It was wrong of me since you din insult me in the first place :P Sorry again. X( I think it's good to have a debate yeah? Without insulting each other ahaha. It was fun tho. We should be professional like Anis Shorrosh and Ahmed Deedat.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Thats ok bro. I asked for it when I used the name. But Dick is a nick name for Richard in the states. Like Dick Cheney or Dick van dyke. I dont hate mUslims. I just hate Islam. I think Muslims are just deceived or indoctrinated since birth. Most Muslims are wonderful people, in spite of Islam. And Deedat has been refuted. You can search Deedat refuted or Deedat debunked. Peace to you and your family!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Keeewl. Yeah I know Dick is a common short name lol. Like Bob. Ahaha anyways. You hating Islam is your own opinion and your own view into Islam. I have no rights in controlling your mind and I respect you views ahaha. I have a different view in Islam. Muslims themselves think about Islam in different ways. That's why they are Muslim terrorists and non-violent Muslims, I think lols. I'll search about that Deedat thing later lol. Peace to you too and everyone u love :)
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 But moderate Muslims like yourself fail to apply the true teachings of Islam and Mohameds sunna. Even though Mohamed is suppose to be the perfect example. And if you look at 99% of Islamic countries and see how Muslims treat non Muslims and the laws are stacked against non Muslims you see the fruit of Islam. I know most Muslims are moderate, but they are also complicate when they do not speak out against the extremists. Because they will be attacked by their own ummah! Peace
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Allah does not forbid you to be good to them and treat them with equity and justice who did not fight against you on (the question of) Din (Religion), nor did they drive you out of your homes (i.e. homeland). Surely Allah likes those who conduct themselves with equity and justice.
[Al-Mumtahinah 60:8]
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Allah forbids you only to befriend those who fought against you on (the question of) Din (Religion) and drove you out of your homes (i.e. homeland) and aided (your enemies) in expelling you. And whoever makes friends with them, it is they who are the wrongdoers. [Al-Mumtahinah 60:9]
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Abu Laila that while Qais b. Sa’d and Sahl b. Hunaif were both in Qadisiyya a bier passed by them and they both stood up. They were told that it was the bier of one of the people of the land (non-Muslim). They said that a bier passed before the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and he stood up. He was told that he (the dead man) was a Jew. ........
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93........ Upon this he remarked: Was he not a human being or did he not have a soul? And in the hadith narrated by ‘Amr b. Murra with the same chain of transmitters, (the words) are:” There passed a bier before us.” (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 2098)
This shows that the Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h respected a Jew by saying "Was he not a human being? Did he not have a soul?" He stood up to show humanity.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
And yet the next verse says :
"And if any one of the idolaters (ahadun, ‘one’, is in the nominative because of the [following] verb [istajāraka, ‘seeks your protection’] that validates it) seeks your protection, requests security from you against being killed, then grant him protection, provide security for him, so that he might hear the words of God — the Qur’ān —
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 .....and afterward convey him to his place of security, that is, the dwelling-places of his folk, if he does not believe, so that he might reflect upon his situation — that, which is mentioned, is because they are a people who do not know, the religion of God, and so they must [be made to] hear the Qur’ān in order to [come to] know [religion]."
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 LOL! Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
during the sacred months or at any other time, (and take them (captive)) imprison them, (and besiege them) in their homes, (and prepare for them each ambush) on every road they tread for trade. (But if they repent) from idolatry and believe in Allah (and establish worship) and acknowledge the five daily prayers (and pay the poor-due) acknowledge the payment of the poor-due, (then leave their way free) if they wish to go to the House of Allah
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows tell me the next verse
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93
9:6
Tafsir Ibn Abbass
(And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah) so that he may hear your recitation of the words of Allah; (and afterward convey him to his place of safety) to the place he is going, if he remains an unbeliever. (That) which I have mentioned (is because they are a folk who know not) Allah's command and His divine Oneness.
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
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@1221max I find the saddest quote in Quran is where it say when help poor Sura 76:9 " for the sake of God alone " It shows Nuhammad was a man completly devoid of love for his fellow man, It is sad that people think this man could be prophet and even sadder that they think there works will save them. Jesus healed the Blind, Muhammad turned his back on a Blindman. The difference is as clear as night and day
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@AHMED87300 I find the saddest quote in Quran is where it say when help poor Sura 76:9 " for the sake of God alone " It shows Nuhammad was a man completly devoid of love for his fellow man, It is sad that people think this man could be prophet and even sadder that they think there works will save them. Jesus healed the Blind, Muhammad turned his back on a Blindman. The difference is as clear as night and day
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 What do you mean by Muhammad turn his back on a blindman?
Sura 76:8 - And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive;
Sura 76:9 - We only feed you for Allah's sake; we desire from you neither reward nor thanks
I think it says that we should help the people in need for the sake of Allah because Allah instruct us to do so.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 You are only to help the Muslims. You are not suppose to help the kafre. The Zakat cannot be used for non Muslim poor. If the person is in a non-Muslim country and he is obliged to feed poor people, then if there are any Muslim people in that country who are entitled to be given food, he should feed them. Otherwise he may send it to any Muslim country where the people are in need of this food. And Allaah knows best.
Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Fataawa al-Siyaam, (112).
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows But in the Quran (9:6) - And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are people who do not know
“Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”- Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Yeah, that if they are going to submit to Islam. Hear the word of Allah. Read 9:5 it says to kill them lie in wait for them and then if they accept Islam then leave them alone. And yes you are to feed the sick and hungry, sick and hungry Muslims!
Why didnt you provide the source? Is that a hadith? When you present evidence you should produce the source. Or else it is just opinion. And your scholars who issued the Fatwa said it, not me.
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows It's true that Zakat is only for poor Muslims, but a Muslim can always donate to other sort of donations for non-Muslims. Heck even Muslims donate blood to non-Muslims. That's donation also right? ahaha
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Because you say or do something does not mean that it is in compliance with Islamic doctrine or rulings. I showed you the fatwa. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with your scholars.
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Turnin back on blindman sura 80:1-2. whether or not he was regarded as prophet at this time is moot, as it shows his charactor
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 I believe the "blindman" is not literally a person who can't see with his eyes but a person who can't see the right path of Islam. An unbeliever.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 hang on I thought the Quran was the book sent to make things clear, it could not be clearer. If it was a metaphor the use of the words a blindman not the blindman would have been more apt.
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 Sura 80:7 - And no blame is on you if he (the blindman) would not purify himself.
This clearly says that it's not a Muslim fault if the non-Muslim doesn't want to turn into Islam (the right path).
So i think the whole sura is about an unbeliever. A person blinded from the right path. Read the whole chapter because every verse link to one another to makes things even clearer.
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 do your research and you will find it is in refernce to a man born blind called IBN UMM MAKTUM and the story is confirmed in (Malik's Muwatta, Book 15, Number 15.4.8)
Your own sources qualify this verse and show that is was literally blind.
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 For 1400 years non belivers have taken a verse on face value, presented it to a Muslim and the muslim says this means something else. The non believer goes away and finds that they were correct all along.
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that his father said that Abasa (Sura 80) was sent down about Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum. He came to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and began to say, "O Muhammad, show me a place near you (where I can sit)," whilst ONE OF THE LEADING MEN OF THE IDOL WORSHIPPERS was in audience with the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace......
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 ....The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, began to turn away from him and give his attention to the other man, and he said to him, "Father of so-and-so, do you see any harm in what I am saying?" and he said, "No, by the blood (of our sacrifices) I see no harm in what you are saying." And Abasa - "He frowned and turned away when the blind man came" - was sent down.
Basically the "one of the leading men of idol worshipper" = "the blind man"
mohol93 2 weeks ago
@mohol93 Your starting to wear thin, you have had no god encounter, no miracle healing. You just gobb, off. As if a peopdophile ( I can prove in sources that Aisha was pre puberty when he did her ) murderer, prisoner killing, adultorer, idoltorer sicko is a prophet. Wakeup, it is sick
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 Gavin son of a bitch, listen cock sucker, I told you, terms such as pedophile is not allowed. Now the mother of your god was just 12 when she married a 90 years old man. This put your god as spent 9 months in a child womb between the age of 10 - 12. Now shit head what do you call that? Your god spent 9 months in a child womb and two years suckling from a child breast. I shit on the cross that holds your fake god lying dead. Mother fucker.
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone If you knew your sources, he had sex with Aisha pre puberty. FACT!. There you go again talking about mary being 12, THIS IS NOT IN BIBLE.
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 Nor it is the Quran
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 I know our sources and I know how to approach them. Your problem is, you don't know our sources yet you claim to know how to approach them.
1- How many narrators backed the story. Only one. Fail
2- How old was the narrator. Too old above 70. Doubted
3- Has his mental ability been disputed. Yes. Fail
4- Is there a broken chain. In this story, No. Pass
5- Is the person trust worthy. Yes. Pass
Overall fail
In a nutshell Sunnah isn't single sourced hadith that have doubts. Duh
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@gavin238612 He is lying there are multiple sources and narrations. Check everything he says. Muslims will always lie to defend their child molesting rapist serial killer false Prophet!
Narrated Urwa bin Al-Musayyab Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805
Narrated Hisham's father Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated 'Ursa: Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88
And the list goes on and on. Also in Tabari and Ishaq. Dont be mad at him, he has been indoctrinated since birth!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows when it comes to knowledge, you thick skull, Islam is decentralized, meaning, there are so many opinions.
I am not going to look at your sources because I have stopped checking because they are false.
Narrated Aisha, which logically cannot be, because she is from the first generation.
Hisham's chain is the only trust worthy part of the narration. Hadith collection is not the source. it doesn't matter how many books mentioned the story, it all goes back to 3generation
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone Of course your noit going to look. Because to do so would destroy your preconceived indoctrinated ideas. Damn the evidence, your going to believe what you want regardless of how much, how authentic, and how reliable it is. You will not accept anything that contradicts your fallacious unsubstantiated opinion.HAHAHA! Your excuses are as pathetic as anything I have ever seen. I am going to make another prediction, Man will find life on another planet! Says dickknows PBUH
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows Just mentioned to me the chain of narration to prove that you know them as authentic. The hadith is dis-missed out right if it starts from the first generation under the category broken chain. Are you stupid?.
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows yes that is correct, I have come to know a practising Muslim personally, I do not exagerate when i say unless they are lying, manipulating, flattering etc they have nothing to say without exception. They lie like we breath. God help us
gavin238612 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone I call that common knowledge and of no great significance. Are you saying that the people of Mohameds time were not aware that the Egyptians did not preserve bodies and Mummify them? This is nothing that any moderately informed person would not know that it was most likely preserved. First he was royalty, secondly they had been using Mummification for hundreds and even thousands of years prior to Mohamed.
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows I am going to make a prediction. Someone is going to find the remains of a dinosaur that has never been discovered before. I am not going to say when, but I can assure you it will happen. Remember this, because one day you shall call me Prophet Dickknows (PBUH)!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows In relation to the Mummy, you stupid Mummy and Mami's boy, this Mummy is not a Mummy. It was drowned as the cause of death, and it was preserved with its full body parts including, the heart, longs.
You dumb, if it was a mummy then the internal parts should have been removed and the brain should be sucked out of its place in order for the salt to reach the skin. Do you understand why it is a Miracle. Special Mummy, in special time = Unique !Mummy . ! means = "Not"
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone There is nothing special about the Quranic ayat. It doesn't say anything of the sort that it will be a special mummy. It just refers to remains. Refuted again. Your logical fallacies are a joke, and are reserved for the brainwashed and brain-dead!
I feel another prediction coming on. There will be a great earth quake on the West coast of the United states. From Prophet dickknows Peace and Blessings Be upon Him!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows What do you call a remians of a few thousands years !
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone They are called Remains. HAHAHAH!
I have another prediction. There will be a great hurricane hitting Asia!
Prophet dickknows PBUH!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows from dicknows may dick be upon his arse!, just to put it in prospective.
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone Thats not putting anything in perspective! Can you please elaborate!
The Great Prophet dickknows (PBUH) has another prophecy. There will be an unknown species never before seen discovered in the ocean. Says Prophet dickknows Peace and blessings be upon him!
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago
@Thedickknows I will leave the elaboration parts to the gay bastards that will screw you.
TheSaffyone 2 weeks ago
@TheSaffyone I am not like your Father and cross dressing false Prophet! Just because gay incest runs in your family do not assume it is everyone's!
Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 3941
“O Um Salama! Do not hurt me with Aisha; for by Allah, the inspiration did not descent on me while I was IN THE COVERINGS (lihaf) of any of you (women) except Aisha.”
Thedickknows 2 weeks ago