Yes...you are the elite. Most nations in the world have only had 60 or 70 years of freedom from colonialism and then the consequent projects to unsettle the new fledgeling governments. I can't wait for more civilized civilizations to come into power (China/India). The west is so shortsighted to run so fast towards a brick wall
Yes people can all achieve the standard of living the west is having, but none of us can afford to waste things like they do. You can't buy a TV/sofa/computer every two or three years...that's such a waste, and no one needs to waste resources that way. Also, companies are now manufacturing things in such a way that they deteriorate in an year or two so they can sell consumers another product. Such waste that needs to stop immediately. Educate the consumers!
She's explaining just that. She's covering the whole equation. Some of us are missing the point. Mother nature and all the other animal brother and sister will benefit from are good behavior.
Jane Goodall is a wonderful woman, but her TED talk was disappointing to me. We already know that monkeys are the closest mammal to humans and that we share many aspects of life with them, we already know that their habitat is in danger - I wish she would have focused more on her personal work and testimony to show us how we can learn and grow with these amazing animals.
War is coming. 1941, they say...It's all going to happen. All the things you've got at the back of your mind, the things you're terrified of, the things that you tell yourself are just a nightmare or only happen in foreign countries. The bombs, the food-queues, the rubber truncheons, the barbed wire, the coloured shirts, the slogans, the enormous faces, the machine-guns squirting out of bedroom windows. It's all going to happen. — George Orwell: "Coming Up for Air," p. 274
"I wonder whether, some 60 years after Hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them. I can think of some answers, and they are good ones, which would probably end up persuading me. But hasnt the time come when we should stop being frightened even to put the question?" - Richard Dawkins (eugenicist)
Plain Jane Goodall, Jacques Cousteau, Prince Phillip, Ted Turner, Obama, Julian & Aldous Huxley, Bertrand Russell, Margaret Sanger, Adolf Hitler, Herbert Geo. Wells, Paul Ehrlich {of The Population Bomb & End of Affluence infamy}, Oliver Wendell Holmes & Pol Pot are unapologetic eugenicists. They preach 'bio-ethics'; 'animal rights' & 'sustainability' which ALWAYS subjects the impoverished people of the Earth to forced sterilizations/ abortions, vaccinations & 'euthanasia.'
(1) Elitist U.N. lackey plain Jane Goodall blames the fecundity of Equatorial Africa's emaciated women for the penury in which they suffer. No blame is shared by the U.N.'s International Monetary Fund that demands usurious interest on the money it "lends" to struggling republics; no blame is shared by the
(2) U.N.'s World Health Organization that's been routinely caught infecting women with hepatitis, & A.I.D.S. secreted in serums administered to prevent tuberculosis & influenza; no one's at fault for the thousands of mothers who have suffered miscarriage & death after taking mandatory vaccinations tainted with aborticides. Media darling Goodall is a 21st-century eugenicist modeled after 20th-century eugenicist Margaret Sanger.
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She always talks about humans and animals living together but whenever animals move into human neighborhoods crime skyrockets and property values plummet. Sorry jane, you can live near the niggers yourself, thanks.
This is interesting ... Central Washington University where I went to school has a wonderful program with chimpanzee's they are so super smart and speak using sign language. .
I've never actually seen footage of Jane speaking. i dont think I can say anything that hasn't been said before of her, but I honestly think she is one of the most powerful and important leaders the world has today.
Jane Goodall calls for genocide as does Ted Turner, Jacques Cousteau & Prince Philip. Disturb an eagle's nest and face serious federal prison time. Kill an unborn human to exercise a mother's "right."
Ecology teaches us the world is our homeland. Each of us must respect, defend and shield all creatures living in it - human beings, animals, fishes, birds, trees, seas, lakes, mountains and so on.
What I find even more depressing than Jane's recounting of some obvious examples of environmental destruction is her seeming obliviousness to one of the most environmentally destructive human habits: motorized travel. Especially travel for the purpose of exchanging information. If Jane wants to teach young people how to save the Earth, she should teach them how to get work done without jetting around the world like she does. Take the no-fly pledge like George Monbiot!
She did mention the people who bravely took on the big oil industries and were executed. Her addition to the passangers of a few airlines is a small price to pay for her potential benefit to the world if people will listen to her message. Ideally, it will be a net savings.
If she doesn't like what oil companies do to help her travel the world, she should stop traveling, or travel without using oil. It's easy to rationalize the petroleum consumption of one woman, but that's the entire problem - everybody can just as easily rationalize their own vitally important need to travel. See for example Al Gore and his corporate jet trips against global warming. Jane Goodall should get a clue from George Monbiot and take the no-fly pledge.
We need our intellectual leaders to make the world aware of its most destructive habit: travel. More than half of the world's petroleum extraction goes to fuel transportation, and motorized transportation depends on petroleum for more than 95% of its energy. Environmentalists of all people need to lead the way in developing technology and strategies to move information without dragging human brains around. That's how we can make a real difference, and not just complain about the problems.
Teratornis, Jane Goodall came to our High School today. She quoted about how people criticized her for wasting fuel and causing emissions of CO2 by flying on a plane for many miles. In response, she replied: "Well, nobody gave me a magic carpet, so what else could I do."
I heard my anthropology teacher talk a lot about this woman's devotion to the study of Chimpanzees, and I just blew it off as another bored, idealistic white lady with nothing better to do. What a wonderful creature she is, to actually hear her talk. Her very presence reminds of my own grandmother, and her timeless wisdom!
The earth cannot sustain human life by itself. I think our priority is to start making food in labs void of tradition land based in an attempt to rebalance the earth patterns. Eventually, these steps will be taken regardless if it happens now or not.
We may not make it out to space before we get there.
But if you here Richard Branson (spaceport america) being interviewed by BoingBoingTV he states that there is a "changed man" conversion of those who have been to space. He also states that the people who return have a profound appreciation for preserving the planet Earth.
People do not preserve the Earth by taking fossil-fueled joyrides into space. The way to save the Earth is to build entertaining forms of artificial experience which stimulate the human mind as profoundly as sitting on a giant tank of rocket fuel and lighting it.
Ok, that was a bit extrem and it wasnt fair to say it in this video. Was my fault for mixing those statements with likely sounding phrases in other one from different sources that got me in a realy bad mood.
However, what may I ask is your solution for those issues?
We have long ago overstepped the natural capacites, if not for mordern technology we would not be able to sustain even half of our population. Getting rid of our wasteful information and transportation network would equal
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because 'sama people out there in our nation don't have maps, and I believe that our education, like, such as, Africa and Iraq, everywhere like such as. And I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S., should help should help the U.S., er South Africa and should help Iraq and the asian countries so we would be able to build up our future.
When I witness, read and hear of mankind's way to reshape the environment in the incredibly destructive manner that seems natural to us, I wonder if Earth will one day look like Coruscant(Star Wars). Just a huge, dirty, industrial city spanning the hole planet. Is this where we are heading?
yes. look at the way civilization's 10,000 year course winds out of the once wooded mesopotamia to deforest, overpopulate & infest the conquered lands with war and poverty from to europe to america to africa to asia. it is not a coincidence that the earliest and the most recent civilizations throw down over the wild a grid city plan-square streets and square buildings. this all bespeaks of a dominating and immperialistic mindset that will go on until the periphery that supports it collpases
this cannot be solved by reform. this cannot even be solved by revolution. this must be approached with new minds not old ways and old repetitions. this must be beyond civilization.
No it doesnt, we only use a fraction of a fraction of the Energy this planet recives from the sun. And we got pleanty of resources inside the earth crust and mantle and many times the amount inside the solar system. Heck, we can even recycle the stuff.
Our problems are based, not on the lack of Energy or Materials, but on the lack of knowledge and technology.
this is undebatable. western industrial civilization requires 3 planet earths. in other words it is way past ecological sustainability and carrying capacity.
A recent report by WWF has shown that the world's natural ecosystems are being degraded at a rate unprecedented in human history. The Living Planet Report 2006 showed that we were using the earth's resources 25 per cent faster than they can be renewed.
The models used are more than debateable, they count nuclear energy into their CO2 prints by using the amounts that would be produced by burning fossil fuels to gain the same amount of energy.
They project the use of our current technology 40 years into the future without even trying to extrapolate technological progression.
And they use the Extinction argument, which really dosent hurt us all that much, yes, species go extinct all the time and we but some extra "unnatural" pressure
We are witnessing the largest extinction event since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65
million years ago, and it is a direct result of our human presence on this planet.
this is undebatable. today's rapid species loss is 1,000 to 11,000 times higher than the 'background' or expected natural extinction rate. this is undebatable.
it isn't important to protect wildlife for emotional reasons because a loss of biodiversity has a direct effect on the quality of our human lives.
we are in no position to be destroying biodiversity for corporate or economic interests when there is more famine, disease, hunger, poverty, tyranny, ecological collapse because of that loss. if present growth is unimpeded there won't be any more growth to speak of.
it's as simple as that. if you disagree with this it isn't because my facts are wrong, it is because you cling onto the failed promises of modernity: progress,growth, technological salvation and unlimited prosperity.
Famine, disease, hunger, poverty, and tyranny aren't going to be cured by "biodiversity". Your rant makes no sense whatsoever. The plain fact is that current world population levels are unsustainable without modern technology. That was the sad thing about this presentation - she's clearly a smart woman, but when she goes on about "organic farming", and pollution control, she sounds like a total dimwit. It's the old "naturalistic" argument, which should be laughed at by any rational person.
i didn't say anything about curing these social afflictions. all i wrote was the more biodiversity loss there is, the more misery there is.
reduce the size of an area that would support people and all sorts of animals and plants and you get hungry and poor people. what doesn't make sense about this?
and you're right on how present overpopulation is the result of modern technology. no disagrrement ther. oil feeds the world thorugh mechanization, fertilizers and GM foods.
"all i wrote was the more biodiversity loss there is, the more misery there is"
Which is an unproven statement.
Besides which, from your next sentence it's clear that you're misusing the word "biodiversity". You can have a reduction in in the biodiversity of a given area which results in an increased capacity for that area to support human life, and domesticated animal life. That's what farming is all about - tearing down nature and rebuilding it so it's useful to us.
fuck tearing down nature. fuck any culture that elevates the immediate economic needs and interests of the rich and powerful over and above the needs, health and wellbeing of natural communities in equilibrium.
if agricultural civilization was meant to be useful to "us" it has certainly failed to deliver this promise to the vast majority of people enslaved by it.
humans need biodiversity as a matter of fact. this isn't a romantic eulogy of nature.
agriculture always fails. it's an environmental assault on the earth that's never sustainable for much more than a few centuries without disruption and devastation: the empires dependent on agriculture and irrigation (Babylonia, Sumeria, Assyria, Carthage, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Inca, Aztec)are defined by the exhaustion and salinization of the land, the deforestation, the overgrazing of fields, the compaction of soils, the extinction of wild animals...
lol. Yeah, agriculture always fails, right! How could I not have seen it before! I mean, that PERFECTLY explains why all of North America and Europe are currently starving! Thank you so much for your enlightening comments, Mikey. You've shown me the light! The only way for us to survive as a species is to get rid of all our technology and go live as naked savages roaming the savannah.
Now how about you set the example? Toss out your computer, and head out! We'll join you shortly ...
no you're totally right! silly me for thinking this planet is worth keeping! i just need to get level-headed.
if this earth is destroyed we'll just find a new planet and live on or build space stations and go on as if nothing happened.
the ecospher not being able to support half of all species in a century? no problem. we'll just move out of the house and live in technotopia. brilliant!
"animal conservation" is bullshit if we (you and i plus society) do not prevent the loss of ecological diversity for the sake of progress/science/development in the first place.
the question is not is civilization destyructive. the question is how do we take down the most violent culture in 3 million years of human evolution before it devores the world it depends on.
Yes...you are the elite. Most nations in the world have only had 60 or 70 years of freedom from colonialism and then the consequent projects to unsettle the new fledgeling governments. I can't wait for more civilized civilizations to come into power (China/India). The west is so shortsighted to run so fast towards a brick wall
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Yes people can all achieve the standard of living the west is having, but none of us can afford to waste things like they do. You can't buy a TV/sofa/computer every two or three years...that's such a waste, and no one needs to waste resources that way. Also, companies are now manufacturing things in such a way that they deteriorate in an year or two so they can sell consumers another product. Such waste that needs to stop immediately. Educate the consumers!
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Wonderful talk
rolliecocom 5 months ago
She's explaining just that. She's covering the whole equation. Some of us are missing the point. Mother nature and all the other animal brother and sister will benefit from are good behavior.
TheFlutevisions 1 year ago
Jane Goodall is a wonderful woman, but her TED talk was disappointing to me. We already know that monkeys are the closest mammal to humans and that we share many aspects of life with them, we already know that their habitat is in danger - I wish she would have focused more on her personal work and testimony to show us how we can learn and grow with these amazing animals.
NowhereToBeFound77 1 year ago
A beautiful Soul with a heart of Gold!
hineddy 1 year ago
amazing woman.. woo woo woo wooh
DinaZulfikar 1 year ago
Nice Job Jane!
TheDataCollector 2 years ago
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War is coming. 1941, they say...It's all going to happen. All the things you've got at the back of your mind, the things you're terrified of, the things that you tell yourself are just a nightmare or only happen in foreign countries. The bombs, the food-queues, the rubber truncheons, the barbed wire, the coloured shirts, the slogans, the enormous faces, the machine-guns squirting out of bedroom windows. It's all going to happen. — George Orwell: "Coming Up for Air," p. 274
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"I wonder whether, some 60 years after Hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them. I can think of some answers, and they are good ones, which would probably end up persuading me. But hasnt the time come when we should stop being frightened even to put the question?" - Richard Dawkins (eugenicist)
LovingKimiKatkar 2 years ago
Eugenicist plain Jane Goodall: Perhaps she'll die as a result of tripping over a fat monkey?
KenyanObama 2 years ago
@KenyanObama
When plain Jane Goodall croaks the rules of Monkey House will change.
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Plain Jane Goodall, Jacques Cousteau, Prince Phillip, Ted Turner, Obama, Julian & Aldous Huxley, Bertrand Russell, Margaret Sanger, Adolf Hitler, Herbert Geo. Wells, Paul Ehrlich {of The Population Bomb & End of Affluence infamy}, Oliver Wendell Holmes & Pol Pot are unapologetic eugenicists. They preach 'bio-ethics'; 'animal rights' & 'sustainability' which ALWAYS subjects the impoverished people of the Earth to forced sterilizations/ abortions, vaccinations & 'euthanasia.'
ScientificalnessUSA 2 years ago
(1) Elitist U.N. lackey plain Jane Goodall blames the fecundity of Equatorial Africa's emaciated women for the penury in which they suffer. No blame is shared by the U.N.'s International Monetary Fund that demands usurious interest on the money it "lends" to struggling republics; no blame is shared by the
TransliteratedJumble 2 years ago
(2) U.N.'s World Health Organization that's been routinely caught infecting women with hepatitis, & A.I.D.S. secreted in serums administered to prevent tuberculosis & influenza; no one's at fault for the thousands of mothers who have suffered miscarriage & death after taking mandatory vaccinations tainted with aborticides. Media darling Goodall is a 21st-century eugenicist modeled after 20th-century eugenicist Margaret Sanger.
TransliteratedJumble 2 years ago
We love you; keep up the great work!
BruceASuttles 2 years ago
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She always talks about humans and animals living together but whenever animals move into human neighborhoods crime skyrockets and property values plummet. Sorry jane, you can live near the niggers yourself, thanks.
victimofcheese 2 years ago
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Fuck you, asshole.
amandapaperdoll 2 years ago
This is interesting ... Central Washington University where I went to school has a wonderful program with chimpanzee's they are so super smart and speak using sign language. .
~Expect Miracles
Shane
SocialTrafficInc 2 years ago
Wonderful woman!
zezt 2 years ago
In case you didn't knew already HUMANS are ANIMALS! This is a fact! So why we separate these two things which are one?
LucaTurilli89 2 years ago 8
I've never actually seen footage of Jane speaking. i dont think I can say anything that hasn't been said before of her, but I honestly think she is one of the most powerful and important leaders the world has today.
kterhark 3 years ago
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Jane is an absolute whiner.
procommenter 3 years ago
She's a great lady.
Idude893 3 years ago 8
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Jane Goodall calls for genocide as does Ted Turner, Jacques Cousteau & Prince Philip. Disturb an eagle's nest and face serious federal prison time. Kill an unborn human to exercise a mother's "right."
procommenter 3 years ago
This wonderful lady is one of the persons I'd like to have as a leader to drive the development of the platet.
We could look into her eyes without being afraid for the future our children.
I dont know about her private life, but anyway I think about her as a "mother".
..and she's so pretty! :-)
FreeSilio 3 years ago
Ecology teaches us the world is our homeland. Each of us must respect, defend and shield all creatures living in it - human beings, animals, fishes, birds, trees, seas, lakes, mountains and so on.
The Earth is our home.
We don't have another one.
Antonio
ateo475 3 years ago
open your eyes on fuel. put "HHO" into Ebay or Google.
oryxchannel 3 years ago
What I find even more depressing than Jane's recounting of some obvious examples of environmental destruction is her seeming obliviousness to one of the most environmentally destructive human habits: motorized travel. Especially travel for the purpose of exchanging information. If Jane wants to teach young people how to save the Earth, she should teach them how to get work done without jetting around the world like she does. Take the no-fly pledge like George Monbiot!
Teratornis 3 years ago
She did mention the people who bravely took on the big oil industries and were executed. Her addition to the passangers of a few airlines is a small price to pay for her potential benefit to the world if people will listen to her message. Ideally, it will be a net savings.
descendantofmankind 3 years ago
If she doesn't like what oil companies do to help her travel the world, she should stop traveling, or travel without using oil. It's easy to rationalize the petroleum consumption of one woman, but that's the entire problem - everybody can just as easily rationalize their own vitally important need to travel. See for example Al Gore and his corporate jet trips against global warming. Jane Goodall should get a clue from George Monbiot and take the no-fly pledge.
Teratornis 3 years ago
We need our intellectual leaders to make the world aware of its most destructive habit: travel. More than half of the world's petroleum extraction goes to fuel transportation, and motorized transportation depends on petroleum for more than 95% of its energy. Environmentalists of all people need to lead the way in developing technology and strategies to move information without dragging human brains around. That's how we can make a real difference, and not just complain about the problems.
Teratornis 3 years ago
Teratornis, Jane Goodall came to our High School today. She quoted about how people criticized her for wasting fuel and causing emissions of CO2 by flying on a plane for many miles. In response, she replied: "Well, nobody gave me a magic carpet, so what else could I do."
Idude893 3 years ago
Jane is an absolute winner.
kian4001 3 years ago 2
Thank you Ms. Goodall. How can I find out more about the Roots and Shoots Program?
LilyTails 3 years ago
I heard my anthropology teacher talk a lot about this woman's devotion to the study of Chimpanzees, and I just blew it off as another bored, idealistic white lady with nothing better to do. What a wonderful creature she is, to actually hear her talk. Her very presence reminds of my own grandmother, and her timeless wisdom!
Mrmoc7 3 years ago
Old nature is dead
When will we hit the stars already?
The earth cannot sustain human life by itself. I think our priority is to start making food in labs void of tradition land based in an attempt to rebalance the earth patterns. Eventually, these steps will be taken regardless if it happens now or not.
cryptoprocta 3 years ago
I love you Jane Goodall!
cryptoprocta 3 years ago 2
I believe we need people like Jane.
We may not make it out to space before we get there.
But if you here Richard Branson (spaceport america) being interviewed by BoingBoingTV he states that there is a "changed man" conversion of those who have been to space. He also states that the people who return have a profound appreciation for preserving the planet Earth.
oryxchannel 3 years ago
People do not preserve the Earth by taking fossil-fueled joyrides into space. The way to save the Earth is to build entertaining forms of artificial experience which stimulate the human mind as profoundly as sitting on a giant tank of rocket fuel and lighting it.
Teratornis 3 years ago
she's so legendary, I thought she'd passed on.
(sry)
oryxchannel 3 years ago
Love Jane Goodall. Great lecture series, Ted.
DarkCloudRising 3 years ago
Very Cool
benthebug 3 years ago
this was super cool, i agree the new generation has lost the wisdom and hope but i wont fall into this category hopefully
pokarok 3 years ago
Jane Goodall is a sick and diseased monkey fucker. This bitch needs to go away.
NoJusticeInThisWorld 3 years ago
Meah, most parts of it are pretty good, but some just painfully remind me of the standard feel good love nature new age craptalk.
Cut the human heart shit out, it ultimatly just leads to misunderstanding, misery and pain.
Doing something just because it feels good and right is the false way.
But again, with most parts, I agree.
There are just some fregments and phrases that ring the alert clock.
Lihinel 3 years ago 2
"cut the human heart shit out"
THINK about what you write before you post.
UndeclaredNation 3 years ago
Ok, that was a bit extrem and it wasnt fair to say it in this video. Was my fault for mixing those statements with likely sounding phrases in other one from different sources that got me in a realy bad mood.
However, what may I ask is your solution for those issues?
We have long ago overstepped the natural capacites, if not for mordern technology we would not be able to sustain even half of our population. Getting rid of our wasteful information and transportation network would equal
Lihinel 3 years ago
a self inflicktet amputation of our arms legs and brain.
Trying to solve an upcomming catastrophe by measures that lead to an even greater desaster is just no solution.
Lihinel 3 years ago
Amazing, she speaks chimp language.
1nicaCualquiera 3 years ago
I tried to donate thru' internet to Jane Goodall...one day later a guy called and asked for my credit card number...
I think Jane should know people use personal information to steal money.
PlanetMother 3 years ago
P.S. Michael Vick should have gotten life.
UnconcernedCitizen 3 years ago
I thought she was murdered , but she looks rather lively
ShalloeThought 3 years ago
you are thinking of Dian Fossey.
Ricardo323 3 years ago
thanx for this!
bubonicnate 3 years ago
A truly remarkable women, with a remarkable history behind her.
I can't stop wondering how will future generations remember her? What will they say about her?
magua73 3 years ago
Watch idiocracy.
gusphraba 3 years ago
Jane gives all of us so much hope! Thank-You Dr. Jane
elephantologist 3 years ago
Jane Goodall is one of the most inspiring women I have ever heard speak. Bless you, Jane, for the work that you do.
brewbird14850 3 years ago
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I really don't have anything to say on this subject, but I will say that...
This woman has a really fucked up voice.. lol
OhThePain111 3 years ago
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Niggers should live with monekys.
us white people though, we should have our own underground base prepared for doomsday n shit yo.
OMGLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 3 years ago
You should shoot yourself in the head and spare the world of your ignorance.
tobyw87 3 years ago
holy shit dude wtf!!!
that was pretty strait forward...
dmix09 3 years ago
Where do you have the word "yo" from? Punk.
gusphraba 3 years ago
It's from the Japanese language. Punk.
Avelqual 3 years ago
Yo in japanse means Hi, but in america its like, whats up :)
WindasJV 3 years ago
Read Jane Goodall's book called REASONS FOR HOPE... it is truly inspiring.
jchallan 3 years ago 4
She's awesome. Nice presentation.
daswann14 3 years ago 5
We can save the animals : )
Chilldogg 3 years ago
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because 'sama people out there in our nation don't have maps, and I believe that our education, like, such as, Africa and Iraq, everywhere like such as. And I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S., should help should help the U.S., er South Africa and should help Iraq and the asian countries so we would be able to build up our future.
jungenbum 3 years ago
When I witness, read and hear of mankind's way to reshape the environment in the incredibly destructive manner that seems natural to us, I wonder if Earth will one day look like Coruscant(Star Wars). Just a huge, dirty, industrial city spanning the hole planet. Is this where we are heading?
MisterWeed 3 years ago
yes. look at the way civilization's 10,000 year course winds out of the once wooded mesopotamia to deforest, overpopulate & infest the conquered lands with war and poverty from to europe to america to africa to asia. it is not a coincidence that the earliest and the most recent civilizations throw down over the wild a grid city plan-square streets and square buildings. this all bespeaks of a dominating and immperialistic mindset that will go on until the periphery that supports it collpases
mikezephyr 3 years ago
three-planet lifestyle has to go before we go.
this cannot be solved by reform. this cannot even be solved by revolution. this must be approached with new minds not old ways and old repetitions. this must be beyond civilization.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
No it doesnt, we only use a fraction of a fraction of the Energy this planet recives from the sun. And we got pleanty of resources inside the earth crust and mantle and many times the amount inside the solar system. Heck, we can even recycle the stuff.
Our problems are based, not on the lack of Energy or Materials, but on the lack of knowledge and technology.
Lihinel 3 years ago 2
this is undebatable. western industrial civilization requires 3 planet earths. in other words it is way past ecological sustainability and carrying capacity.
A recent report by WWF has shown that the world's natural ecosystems are being degraded at a rate unprecedented in human history. The Living Planet Report 2006 showed that we were using the earth's resources 25 per cent faster than they can be renewed.
technotopia is untenable.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
The models used are more than debateable, they count nuclear energy into their CO2 prints by using the amounts that would be produced by burning fossil fuels to gain the same amount of energy.
They project the use of our current technology 40 years into the future without even trying to extrapolate technological progression.
And they use the Extinction argument, which really dosent hurt us all that much, yes, species go extinct all the time and we but some extra "unnatural" pressure
Lihinel 3 years ago
*, species go extinct all the time and we put some extra "unnatural" pressure onto those kinds adapted to special environments.
And btw, those species that have the tools to adapt faster (intelligence, high reproduction rate, ...) or are domesticated do just fine.
Lihinel 3 years ago
you're fucked up.
We are witnessing the largest extinction event since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65
million years ago, and it is a direct result of our human presence on this planet.
this is undebatable. today's rapid species loss is 1,000 to 11,000 times higher than the 'background' or expected natural extinction rate. this is undebatable.
it isn't important to protect wildlife for emotional reasons because a loss of biodiversity has a direct effect on the quality of our human lives.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
we are in no position to be destroying biodiversity for corporate or economic interests when there is more famine, disease, hunger, poverty, tyranny, ecological collapse because of that loss. if present growth is unimpeded there won't be any more growth to speak of.
it's as simple as that. if you disagree with this it isn't because my facts are wrong, it is because you cling onto the failed promises of modernity: progress,growth, technological salvation and unlimited prosperity.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
lol
Famine, disease, hunger, poverty, and tyranny aren't going to be cured by "biodiversity". Your rant makes no sense whatsoever. The plain fact is that current world population levels are unsustainable without modern technology. That was the sad thing about this presentation - she's clearly a smart woman, but when she goes on about "organic farming", and pollution control, she sounds like a total dimwit. It's the old "naturalistic" argument, which should be laughed at by any rational person.
c6gunner 3 years ago
i didn't say anything about curing these social afflictions. all i wrote was the more biodiversity loss there is, the more misery there is.
reduce the size of an area that would support people and all sorts of animals and plants and you get hungry and poor people. what doesn't make sense about this?
and you're right on how present overpopulation is the result of modern technology. no disagrrement ther. oil feeds the world thorugh mechanization, fertilizers and GM foods.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
"all i wrote was the more biodiversity loss there is, the more misery there is"
Which is an unproven statement.
Besides which, from your next sentence it's clear that you're misusing the word "biodiversity". You can have a reduction in in the biodiversity of a given area which results in an increased capacity for that area to support human life, and domesticated animal life. That's what farming is all about - tearing down nature and rebuilding it so it's useful to us.
c6gunner 3 years ago 2
fuck tearing down nature. fuck any culture that elevates the immediate economic needs and interests of the rich and powerful over and above the needs, health and wellbeing of natural communities in equilibrium.
if agricultural civilization was meant to be useful to "us" it has certainly failed to deliver this promise to the vast majority of people enslaved by it.
humans need biodiversity as a matter of fact. this isn't a romantic eulogy of nature.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
agriculture always fails. it's an environmental assault on the earth that's never sustainable for much more than a few centuries without disruption and devastation: the empires dependent on agriculture and irrigation (Babylonia, Sumeria, Assyria, Carthage, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Inca, Aztec)are defined by the exhaustion and salinization of the land, the deforestation, the overgrazing of fields, the compaction of soils, the extinction of wild animals...
mikezephyr 3 years ago
...the silting and salting of rivers, the alteration of climate, erosion, desertification
mikezephyr 3 years ago
lol. Yeah, agriculture always fails, right! How could I not have seen it before! I mean, that PERFECTLY explains why all of North America and Europe are currently starving! Thank you so much for your enlightening comments, Mikey. You've shown me the light! The only way for us to survive as a species is to get rid of all our technology and go live as naked savages roaming the savannah.
Now how about you set the example? Toss out your computer, and head out! We'll join you shortly ...
c6gunner 3 years ago 2
mike,
Chill. Ever buy a house from a real estate agent? I mean, Really get them in their element?
(Hang on with me) -their audacity is so advanced and grandiose it's unbelievable!
Your point: extinction rate coupled with world population.
Make the jump here with me:
What were we doing 100 yrs ago? -Making the first airplane and other great inventions.
100 years from Now real estate agents will be selling your grandchildren unprecidented habitats orbiting earth.
Google "Spaceport America." :)
oryxchannel 3 years ago
no you're totally right! silly me for thinking this planet is worth keeping! i just need to get level-headed.
if this earth is destroyed we'll just find a new planet and live on or build space stations and go on as if nothing happened.
the ecospher not being able to support half of all species in a century? no problem. we'll just move out of the house and live in technotopia. brilliant!
mikezephyr 3 years ago
Wow, abstinence only education doesn't work, and proper education does. That's just amazing.
zbambam5 3 years ago 2
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wolverine005 3 years ago 5
Animal conservation if run properly can easily lead to a better life for so many of the people that live around the wildlife.
briczar22 3 years ago 6
"animal conservation" is bullshit if we (you and i plus society) do not prevent the loss of ecological diversity for the sake of progress/science/development in the first place.
the question is not is civilization destyructive. the question is how do we take down the most violent culture in 3 million years of human evolution before it devores the world it depends on.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
that is *destructive and devour
mikezephyr 3 years ago