Biblical evidence of Pagan Parallels(The challenge video with Funk, Ayers, and Kirk)~!

[jonescomplete]

Secularism has totally made the world a better place :)... or... wait.... oops.

[JohananRaatz]

BTW God or no God, Polybius is right.

[zerooneboy12345]

from what I've been told, the Israelites sacrificed lambs, spotless blemish free healthy lambs and the reason was that their Religion was telling them that this lamb could pay for their sins, this innocent lamb was to remind them that there was a price to pay for their sins.....Jesus was referred to as the lamb which takes away the sins of the World, which is why he was supposed to be innocent like the sacrificial lamb, but he was to be the last sacrifice, from then on you knew, no more lambs.

[1986daveyd]

The bible totally contradicts itself. The holy trinity is taught by most christians, but the mormons believe in three separate and distinct beings. The reasoning is that Jesus prays to his "father" in the bible. Excellent Dhorpatan, as usual it proves the bible is cheap agregate of borrowed works. These works and subsequent interpretations are continually revised to meet scientific challenges, and present day emotional and GOVERNING needs of believers.

[snoiprocs16]

What it is meant by Pagan Parallels, can anyone tell me?

[jityr2]

@snoiprocs16 They are stories in ancient religions or mythology that are similar to events in the bible yet written long before the bible.

[fairguynova]

Great video. A lot of your detractors are bringing up relevant "details" in an effort to "shift the argument" away from the main point.

[MentalWitnesses]

That was your best attempt? lololol

[mbturner625]

ok... what's with the music?

[HonestDiscussioner]

So Dhor, why does the fact that myths contain animal sacrifice prove the bible is a myth? You think the Bible is a myth, and it contains military battles so could we then state that any literature from that time period that describes military battles are myths and therefore inaccurate?

[aaronk1994]

Christianity supports animal sacrifice? Oh really?

Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."

[Dhorpatan]

@aaronk1994

Who said Christianity SUPPORTS animal sacrifice? Or is that just a strawman argument from you?

[Raptor302]

Did you mean human sacrifice? Because animal sacrifice is condoned throughout the OT.

In any case human sacrifice was condoned outside of the crucifixian in Judges 11 when Jephthah offers up his daughter to god as a burnt offering. God accepts the offering rather than deciding to stop it like he did with Abraham.

[aaronk1994]

Yes, I meant human sacrifice. My error.

It was Jephthah's fault for making a rash vow.

When you promise the Lord a sacrifice, and it's your daughter by accident, that's on you.

[ozmoroid]

aaronk - What kind of a "Lord" would accept the sacrifice of someone's daughter?

[ukchristian28]

What are you talking about?

[Dhorpatan]

@ukchristian28

You don't know your own evil Bible?

Judges 11:31

[ukchristian28]

I suspected that he was probably talking about that passage, but I wanted to be sure.

There is a lot of debate as to whether Jephthah actually did offer his daughter as a burnt offering. Many Christians (including myself) believe that he offered her as a consecrated virgin.

Either way, it was a rash vow that God didn't require him to make. The text doesn't say that God accepted the sacrifice, and the consistent teaching of the OT is that human sacrifice is an abomination in His sight.

[Dhorpatan]

@ukchristian28

Repent? Repent over what? What question were you even talking about?

[ukchristian28]

I was asking how you as an atheist decide what is right or wrong. You make an awful lot of moral judgements about people and their beliefs. What forms the basis of those judgements?

Repent of ignoring questions and trying to shift the discussion onto something else. Also, repent and trust in Christ:).

The Purgatory reference was obviously a joke by the way. I am a Protestant. I don't believe in Purgatory.

[ukchristian28]

Part 2 of my response to this video is now up.

[aaronk1994]

This is ridiculous. John 5:7 is clearly interpolated.

Dhorpatan, 3 gods is not a trinity. A trinity is 1 God made up of three persons. From what I've seen, no pagan "trinity" had this.

Those that do look like a trinity are not similar to the Christian trinity.

Most have a father, son and mother. So this would mean that from the father and mother precedes the son.

But the Christian trinity says that from the father precedes the son, and from the father precedes the holy spirit.

Not the same.

[DancingRabbit52]

@aaronk1994 While the beliefs about them are not exactly like that Christian belief in the Trinity (what beliefs are ever exactly like another) I site from Celtic mythology Brighid and The Morrigain and from Norse mythology The Norns. These are all three-in-one deities that do not have the father-mother-son relationship. They all preceeded Christianity. I do not believe that Christian doctrine was influenced by them but they are rough parallels.

[DancingRabbit52]

Do you mean 'preceeds' or 'proceeds'?

I thought Christian doctrine had the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as co-eternal. Are you telling us that the Father came first and the other 2 came later?

[ukchristian28]

The Father sends the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[zmode82]

1 John 5:7? 1st...John...5...7?

The Comma Johanneum?

aww man! *face palm*

I think Labarum312 does an excellent job on one of his videos explaining why that specific text shouldnt even be brought up to prove any point, for or against the Trinity. You ought to check it out.

[Dhorpatan]

@zmode82

Is the Trinity Biblically grounded and evidenced in any way? If not, then it's made up nonsense. If it is, it's a pagan parallel.

It's that simple.

[kevinanity]

"Is the Trinity Biblically grounded and evidenced in any way?"

Yes. The Trinity was an evolving doctrine within Christianity at the time the NT was written.

Is it "made up nonsense"?

Yes.

Is it a pagan parallel? Well, "It's" not "that simple."

You don't need to look beyond Second Temple Judaism and some Hellenistic philosophical influence to find fertile theological soil in which the Trinity can grow.

It's not enough to show that other religions had triads of gods. You need to show

[kevinanity]

dependence on these other religions. And you need to show that that their understanding of such triads was akin to the Christian understanding of the Trinity. It's not enough to show that this and that religion had some feature in common.

[zmode82]

Muslims, JW's, Oneness Pentecostals, and all the other Modalists make the same assumption your making that

3 persons=3 gods.

Yet, when I ask every single one of those guys where in the Bible does it show that "one God" means "one person," that's when I get the "deer in front of the headlights look," they can't find it and they won't find it.

[ukchristian28]

Excellent point:)

[Raptor302]

So how exactly does that solve the problem? One god with three personalities? In other words, a god with a personality disorder.

[aaronk1994]

Dhorpy,. the Jews were a very conservative people who wouldn't borrow things from other religions.

[DesertLaser]

Five stars.

[nontheistdavid]

Hindus have a triune god as well , Brahman, Shiva and Vishnu.

[AbdielAbiram]

Those are three gods you do realize, not a 'triune' god.

[DancingRabbit52]

There is sometimes a fine line between triune and tritheist. Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu are all aspects, manifestations, incarnations of The Brahman. They are separate deities but they are also one. They co exist as separate persons yet are one. Are not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost also separate persons (deities) yet somehow one?

[ukchristian28]

@DancingRabbit52

No, they distinct persons, but not distinct gods. They are the same God (Yahweh).

[aaronk1994]

The Hindu 'trinity" is not three persons in one god.

It's three gods. It's a tritheism, not a trinity.

[DancingRabbit52]

I realize that Christians debated and battled over the 'mystery' of the trinity for hundreds of years. BUT could you define what you mean by 'person'?

The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The 3 are 1.

Brahma is The Brahman. Shiva is The Brahman. Vishnu is The Brahman. The 3 are 1.

How is one differen from the other?

[ukchristian28]

Except that Hinduism is patheistic (all is god). Christianity is monotheistic, holding that there is one God who is distinct from His creation. Those different Hindu gods are supposed to be expressions of the divine, but there are far more than three. You are dealing with different concepts in Hinduism than you are in Christianity.

[DancingRabbit52]

Hinduism isn't a religion but a complex collection of religions. Some are polytheistic, some are pantheistic, some are montheistic and everything in between. Of course the Hindu concept of the deity is different from Christianity. I am not suggesting that it is the same or that Christianity borrowed from Hinduism only that Christianity is not unique in a belief in a trinity.

[fairguynova]

They are not different. Done.

[Dhorpatan]

@AbdielAbiram

Those are three Gods considered as a unit. Otherwise known as a TRINITY.

Christians copied the trinity from prior pagan mythology, since the concept predated Christianity.

[DancingRabbit52]

Pagan concepts of triple deities definitely pre date Christianity. There are definitely parallels. I don't know that parallels prove plagerism. Maybe and maybe not.

[jityr2]

@DancingRabbit52 So do you think Justin Martyr's hypothesis could be right?

[DancingRabbit52]

@jityr2 I couldn't say at the juncture. Refresh my memory. What exactly was Martyr's hypothesis?

[jityr2]

@DancingRabbit52 During his time he knew there were some pagan parallels. So he concluded that they must of been inspired by the devil.

[DancingRabbit52]

@jityr2 ROTFLMAO! Of course not. I don't believe a spiritual being of total evil called the Devil or Satan exists. The excuse, "The Devil must have done it." is a weak excuse. It could be used for anything that one doesn't have an explanation or isn't ready to face the obvious explanation for.

[rice0boy0]

wow u guys really think the scripts are gods words?

[refuckulate420]

Lol sometimes I think more theists watch Dhorps vids then anything!

[thunderbolt94]

@refuckulate420

It's because his videos are so ridiculous that they are a source of comedy.

Remember:

"Cathicizm"

LOL

[refuckulate420]

Yea I realize all this stuff is too much for you.

[thunderbolt94]

@refuckulate420

You're right. It is too much for us. We have to pause his videos multiple times just so we can catch our breath from laughing so hard.

[refuckulate420]

Yep attack the person not the argument. Typical theist.

[Dhorpatan]

@thunderbolt94

I consider your craven blocking of me, an admission of Intellectual defeat, as it means you fear the truth, and cannot stand up to my argumentation, so you must censor and engage in fascism.

That's what Occultists like yourself typically resort to. Since your reality subverting beliefs have no empirical evidence, or logic, you usually resort to verbal abuse/denigration, or censorship, like Venomfangx and PPSimmons resort to censorship.

[ukchristian28]

Thunderbolt94 is no where in the same category as those people. Those people wouldn't allow any comments that oppose their beliefs. Thunderbolt blocked you when you refused to properly deal with what he had said in response to you.

[aaronk1994]

Dhorpatan, I will not admit defeat. This video was beyond terrible, and certainly did not prove pagan parallels.

I will refute it soon.

[bangNL94]

yeah but how do i convince someone that youre speaking the truth, dorphatan?

[thunderbolt94]

Dhorpatan, you're completely ignoring my question. Have you ever taken a critical thinking class in college?

[Dhorpatan]

@thunderbolt94

What's your point?

[thunderbolt94]

@Dhorpatan

I'm asking you a very simple question with a yes or no answer. Have you ever taken a Critical Thinking class in college (at a CREDENTIALED college)?

[thunderbolt94]

Why do you refuse to answer my question? I want to know how you learned logic because your application of logic is clearly illogical throughout the whole video! If you didn't learn logic and critical thinking in college, then we can confirm that you are a layman that has no idea what he is doing.

[Dhorpatan]

@thunderbolt94

Why don't you explain the fallacies in the video, and I'll see if they have merit.

[thunderbolt94]

@Dhorpatan

How about you answer my question first. Have you ever taken a critical thinking class in college (or any critical thinking class anywhere)?

[thunderbolt94]

and besides, I've already pointed out your usage of the fallacy of composition from 1:21 to 1:31.

[brownbigb]

going to college, or there lackof, does not mean someone is applying logic properly or not. so your question is irrelevant. but addressing the actual fallacies is the way to go. professors with doctorates make logical mistakes all the time, specially on the theist side.

[thunderbolt94]

@brownbigb

I wasn't asking you. I was asking Dhorpatan. Are you Dhorpatan?

[brownbigb]

nope, but it is irrelevant. it is the logic that matters. as you know in critical thinking an argument can be valid and untrue, and invalid but still true. you can arrive at the correct result with faulty logic, and at an incorrect result with valid logic.

here is your fallacy:"If you didn't learn logic and critical thinking in college, then we can confirm that you are a layman that has no idea what he is doing" that argument is false and you know it. logic is not a product of college.

[thunderbolt94]

@brownbigb

Once again, I was not talking to you. I was talking to Dhorpatan. I think you should allow Dhorpatan to speak for himself. You speaking on behalf of Dhorpatan is not the same as Dhorpatan speaking for himself. Let Dhorpatan speak for himself.

And this question, I want to at least get some sort of idea where the hell Dhorpatan learned his style of "logical reasoning" because is style of "logic" is absolutely absurd.

[brownbigb]

well, then the question should have been : where have you learned your logic? asking about having gone to college and equating that with the only possibility of valid learning is just senseless. in reality you were not asking, you were trying to establish a position.

[QuarkyGideon]

I love how you destroy religion all the time Dhorpatan! Well done! :D

[Remonster6x]

This video is win.

[MakeNine42]

great stuff

[thunderbolt94]

"And as sure as we know that every religion and cult that has entailed blood sacrifice that has been shown to be false and a myth, Christianity must also be false and a myth."

That right there is a pure textbook example of the Fallacy of composition. LMAO

[Dhorpatan]

@thunderbolt94

Nah. Just powerful and legitimate deduction.

[thunderbolt94]

"Nah. Just powerful and legitimate deduction."

In your warped up mind yeah, but for the rest of us, that right there is a logical fallacy, which makes your argument rhetorically retarded.

Have you actually ever taken a critical thinking class in College dude? A critical thinking teacher would mark points off for that fallacy, which is called (I repeat) THE FALLACY OF COMPOSITION.

[brownbigb]

you are right but your logic is flawed on this one. btw, you don't even talk about brahman and his trinity.

[Dhorpatan]

@brownbigb

How is it flawed?

[brownbigb]

the comment that i refered to is no longer here.

[Antisyncretism]

Dhorpatan the fact that you think 1 John 5:7 actually reads that shows how bad your research is, as i said that is an addition in the KJV, seriously look at just about any OTHER translation and it will say that the words there in the KJV cannot be found in scripts before the sixteenth century.

This doesnt mean the text is corrupt or the Bible does not teach the Trinity, it does mean you made a big blunder, and such a huge error indeed reflects the rest of your video.

[Antisyncretism]

Also you didnt give primary sources for your pantheon of gods being in fact one triune god, nor did you give a reason for believing that if those even existed that they were copied.

Also when you bring up sacrifices as if they were a problem that is like saying that since pagans have stories about humans that therefore the Bible must have copied the idea of writing about humans from pagans! Sacrifice is a HUGE general thing to say that just because pagans sacrifice there is a problem is silly

[xalston]

you are killing them right now lol

[Antisyncretism]

Um the first quote from King James ISNT PART OF THE BIBLE

(though indeed the Trinity is true)

as for the rest of the video...well its by Dhorpatan, nuf said right

[Dhorpatan]

@Antisyncretism

It's not part of the Bible, but it's empirically attested to in the King James

BIBLE.

Hahaha! You Christians and your storybook. SUCH CONFUSION. Does Santa wear a red hat or a pink one? Don't know? Do like the Christians and change stuff, and make it up as circumstances suit.

Hahaha!

[KabaneTheChristian]

He's right, 1 John 5:7 is an interpolation, though the Trinity can be deduced easily from other passages.

[Dhorpatan]

@KabaneTheChristian

If he's right, this simply affirms, POWERFULLY, what I already suspected. That Christianity is filled with lies, forgery, and MANIPULATIONS, in order to control the masses, and to bolster the agenda of the manipulators. Interpolation my behind.

"though the Trinity can be deduced easily from other passages."

^^^Yeah. I included some of those~!

[KabaneTheChristian]

The passage is not included in any of the ancient manuscripts, it is included in a few, very late manuscripts. It is obviously inauthentic. lol...all texts have textual interpolations.

I'm aware. Btw, what's up with the "~!"? I've always wondered why you have that extra symbol.

[Dhorpatan]

@KabaneTheChristian

That's my signature style. It's sometimes cool to be unique.

[aaronk1994]

Dhorpatan, I'm shocked. This video was way worse than I expected.

A response is coming.

[Dhorpatan]

@aaronk1994

I kept my word, and showed clear, and Biblically based evidence of Pagan Parallel. Now you keep your word, and feature this video on your channel for two weeks:

watch?v=KyrMhYdQRfw

[ghoststalker145]

Christianity is the worst religion ever! Period.

[KabaneTheChristian]

yah srsly far worse than islam which killed tons more people

[ghoststalker145]

@KabaneTheChristian

ever herd of the dark ages? the Christian crusades? Christianity is they most deadly religion their is.

[KabaneTheChristian]

Wow, the Dark Ages? Apparently you haven't read historical scholarship for ages...no historian thinks that Christianity caused the Dark Ages.

The Crusades were initiated by the Papal Church. I'm Orthodox. The papists assaulted the Orthodox Church and killed our Patriarch during the Crusades.

[ghoststalker145]

@KabaneTheChristian

Then why don't explain Dark Ages to me since clearly i don't know what i'm talking about.

[gCuezy]

No idea you were Orthodox man! Xristos Anesti! (guess I haven't watched your videos in a while)! Xristos Anesti!

[ozmoroid]

Actually some historians do think Christianity played a part in bringing on the "Dark Ages." Gibbon (Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire) was one.

[Raptor302]

lol You could call the dark ages "christ's millenial reign"?

[TheAwesomeMaths]

@ozmoroid Do you have any other 'evidence' to back your claim?

[TheAwesomeMaths]

@ozmoroid You should stop using a two hundread year old book that has been debunked. If you want evidence for God, I can give you some.

[ozmoroid]

@TheAwesomeMaths Please provide evidence that Gibbon's History has been debunked.

[TheAwesomeMaths]

@ozmoroid Of course: ' Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies ' by David Bentley Hart. This book debunkes many of the accusations that are brought to Christianity.

[gamutman]

Good vid.