Many 12 steppers are the epitome of hypocrisy, narcissism, and delusional thinking. They are mostly self-absorbed, presumptuous, sanctimonious, pompous, and close-minded. Yet they proclaim that they are open-minded and not religious. What a bald-faced lie!!! 12-step programs are religious cults. Most state legislatures now acknowledge this fact. Also, read Charles Bufe's book Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure. This book answers many questions about the fraud of AA "success rates."
Your statement that "AA is the destruction after the destruction" is so apropos that I am incorporating it into my own anti-12 Stepper rants. Thanx for your video; it's great!!!
we'll save a seat for you.this guy sounds like he's drunk.I wonder why she wanted nothing to do with you,don't blame AA or your sponsor,it had nothing to do with you right? What a joke.Sounds a little wet brained to me.
P.S. I really feel for you on you feelings, totally---I had same feelings----I take what I Want and leave the rest---I made actual friends in AA, and I stick with them---I pick people that I want they have-----most people I can't stand, and I get what I can from their experience, but I won't do something that I am told that feels wrong inside---IT really helps in many ways---you should give it another try, and stay away from negativity--choose a sponcer you can trust
Having been around for over 9 years-----I could totally understand what you are saying, but I don't agree. I know exactley how you fewel about this woman---I went through it, and you described my feelings exactely. I met here @ Kareoke in sobriety---going to bar. At first, he SUGGESTED that I walk-away from situation, so I did. Made me feel worse, and I told him. He told me to follow my heart. The relationship virtually ended ugly---now we are closer than ever,& I never drank
I only spend 2 or 3 hours a week at meetings and am not unavailable to people outside of AA. I follow a Mahayana bath of buddhism and keep it simple. I still dislike some of the people and rhetoric, but most importantly I love who I am. We here in Akron will always welcome you., no matter what. Please give it another try, there is a group out there for you to help you find yourself.
Hey bro, I do know how angry you are. I hated AA. When I first came into AA I couldn't fucking stand the rhetoric, the people , and most importantly myself. The thing is, I was going to live in misery if I could not quit using, my own personal hell. I decided to try it wholeheartedly and that I would not quit for a year. I just started to do what I was suggested to do. It saved my life. I am now going on three years sober and my life is as good as I will allow it to be, through my own actions.
Well what you expect from AA? the problem is you, not AA not the girl it's you now look at you just look how fat you are that in addiction in it self so all the work have to come from you, it's deep inside and only honesty, faith and acceptance will do the work AA only suggest things keep coming beck to AA cause you have no other choice .
This guy knows what he is talking about. Even a drunk like him can see through the AA cult. I'm court mandated to meetings and found some barely palatable meetings in the Bronx. The 12 steps are BS. Most of the people are not genuine and if you disagree with even one thing in the Big Book the squirm in their seats and give you the cold shoulder treatment.
"Cult" what a load of shit... I am not a member of AA nor an addict, but I have family members that are, and because of AA they have been clean and sober for many, many years.. If this is a "cult" then I have nothing but respect and love for it...
you had to be in the state of mind of been wasted (~ neurotic) to share your personal HONEST ESH. Else its just numb cult talk - w/o aa I'll be dead (who knows but god) - I'm sober 15 days now, applause applause (WTF is 15 days) etcetc.
My point is: Are people trained to talk the truth. Honesty, the key word in Chapter 5. My answer is no!
Think and feel what you want about aa. Leave or come back freely. The idiot shit-f*** 2miillion non-humans?
I have had a wonderful experience w being in AA , my life is pretty good, and I have 2 say ur story is mearly a Opinion, I would not be alive and living a good life 2day without the help of AA what works for me may not work for you but I know AA works and NA etc any program u take serious and stick by 2 help you will work only if you want it though!!!
@tyelanbabey I Couldnt Agree More I could say so many things 2 that guy but its a waste of time, His mind is closed 2 any positivity and If he thinks AA sucked so bad & is no longer in it than why is he saying Life sucks etc etc, whatever he is doing clearly isnt working now is it!!!
its like this it works for me and thats all that matters.....a real member will tell you to do whatever works..so if that works for u..... AA will continue to work without you....wishin you the best
I was addicted to opiate pain killers for 6 or 7 years and i was going to AA meetings for the 1st year that i quit using pills. It just wasnt for me. I've been off opiates since 2009 and i know if i use them again, then it will just lead me back to that awful lifestyle. I didnt want to give up drinking as well, because i can control my drinking. I only drink when i go out which isnt that often anymore and i know my cut off limits. Im not saying AA doesnt work, but it just doesnt work for me.
@bobdayle1 The steps don't work because your invisible, magical superhuman friend doesn't exist. What does work is simply not taking the next drink or drug and not being a jerk to others.
I feel pity for you. If you are an alcoholic (which you must be since you went to AA,) you are in deep sh*t. AA is nothing like you say. You missed the boat completely. AA is not about girls, or gurus. It's about no drinking one day at the time. I hope you can get some help soon, before you are completely destroyed by your anger and your alcoholism.
@tangonista no AA is for people who are too dam weak to quit on their own...My Dad quit drinking 25 years ago not one dam metting completely abstinent he did it the dry drunk way (in Bill wilson's words) Bill was too weak to do it on his own too some people are just stupid and selfish and shortsighted and immature I guess
@211Jetsfan Wow, you are just full of goodness and compassion! Well, at least AA has given you and avenue to discharge your anger and frustration. I read and feel a lot of bitterness and hostility emanating from your post. It does seem misplaced though. It's kind of like hating the ground, or the sky. They are just there for you, not against you, just like AA. Peace.
@AWESMEGUY He's a really sad & suffering alcoholic. Don't be angry or disgusted with him. He is a sick individual. I hope he comes around for his own sake. AA is not affected by his sad and misplaced anger. I only hope others who need help are not turned away by his misplaced self-hatred
all you people who oppose AA must have huge issues!!!! Your language is disgusting a product of an unhappy unvictorious life!!! You are angry at AA why if hasnt helped you that is your problem But you all seem angry miserable people and its trapped you into mindless foulmouthed sadness I feel so sorry for you God is real and can set you free wouldnt that be good to be happy and not biitter or twisted like you sound you are !!!!
@jennymp59 I'm happy - and over three years without a drink - without imagining that I have an invisible friend with whom I telepathically communicate.
This video is a joke. I love how people make judgments on AA and maybe were there once or twice against their own will lol. " I acted in folly because of my drinking and screwed that relationshit up.." Yeah an AA members have it wrong right? Please educate yourself bro.
I dont believe I am wasting my time listening to this pickled individual who screwed his 'relationshit' up. Take a look in the mirror and watch your own video. Thats what caused her to run. Your a misguided dumbASS!
@dvdpfstr You left out the part about how AA is based on faith healing and evangelism. You also left out the fact that AA pushes the idea that we should have unlicensed, untrained counselors advising us on important decisions, and that these amateur counselors should be people who have histories of screwed up lives and should believe that they communicate telepathically with an invisible wizard.
@ndrthrdr1 Wow you nailed right on the head, that's exactly all the things i love about it. You left out something much more sinister and exciting, but you'll have to come to one of our conventions to find out what it is.
If you were EVER in AA, pal, then you clearly NEVER got the RIGHT message at all. The way you speak .. in a pronounced SLURRED manner .. seems your brain is still fried & out of order. You seem hung up in your illness, personal paranoia & deep resentments. You know nothing about what you're TRYING to talk about. Yours is a most sad case. Tip: give it another go .. but pick your group carefully. You are clearly very vulnerable, very SICK, co-dependent, & you need to TREAD CAREFULLY ...
The psychic flavour of life is usually a continual low-level dissatisfaction mixed with a little bit of fear and punctuated by moments of fleeting joy.
What Buddhist philosophy calls "Dukkha" - The First Noble Truth.
The plethora of self-help and professional-help methods/groups in western culture is proof positive that dissatisfaction is the norm in the west.
Nonetheless, I take your point that the AA promise is a fraud.
@ndrthrdr1 Tell it like it is!!! It's so refreshing to see your very rational and insightful criticisms about the fraud and misfeasance of AA. AA and its adherents assume the role of counselor, confessor, and guru to hoards of confused, desperate, and vulnerable ppl who are new to that cult and naively believe that there is some help or ultimate benefit in AA attendance. NO!!! AA is an abyss of ignorance, backwardness, and exploitation. AA capitalizes on the sincerity of lost souls seeking help.
@MrBigballs26 Hey stupid! I didn't make this video and I'm not fat! But I do agree with the guy who made this video about the cult of AA. If you are a member of this cult then you suck! If not you're just a good old fashioned idiot!
99% of AA members are full of shit and a bunch of know-it-all phony retards. The people in the bars ALWAYS make me feel warm and welcomed, unlike the AA fellowhip as I raise my glass of Coors and drink.
AA and NA are No Where Near perfect AT ALL.....But They Are not Cults...The groups can lean to the "Cultish" side but they are harmless....AA and NA work because it is a group therapy environment. It gives people who have the same problem, an opportunity to get together and to talk in a group setting..this allows people to vent, to discover things about themselves, to emotionally heal, and that's why it works...You can get the same results fro alternative recovery groups....
Fact........ in 1386 a pig in France was hung in public for killing a child
Fact........ AA has saved 2 million lives and counting.
We can argue against anything but not facts........... then you know you have hit bottom when again Pete is in control! Pete I prayed for your recovery last night.... my spirit says your going to be alright
@gouldenboy99 said "Fact........ AA has saved 2 million lives and counting."
According to ... let me guess ... AA? How could they possibly know that? Even if that were true, that's pretty pathetic for 70 years of an international organization that has, by their own statistics, a 95% dropout rate in the first year alone.
Do they factor in the higher rate of suicide, or simply ignore those stats?
@ndrthrdr1 Dude suicide from staying sober WTF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you think AA causes suicides!? This is a program to help every man and woman with a ALCOHOL PROBLEM! Tell you what read " A Vision for you" Dude AA helps Alcoholics and Alcoholism not extreme depression, if you are thinking of suicide many booze is not your biggest issue! We are not SHRINKS.............. I dunno anyway good luck Pete!
@gouldenboy99 People with 12 step in their past are far more likely to commit suicide than people who have used other methods to quit, probably because they've been told over and over that if they leave they will almost certainly fail and face "jails, institutions and death". They're told that they have an incurable disease, from which the best they can hope for is a "daily reprieve".
That's all nonsensical cult dogma. I am one of millions who are living proof that leaving AA is no problem.
@gouldenboy99 I'm not thinking of suicide. My life is going well. That's because I got out of the faith healing cult and into SMARTRecovery. I have three good, sober years now.
I did read "A vision for you". "...he isn’t happy about his sobriety. He can't picture life without alcohol. Some day he will be unable to imagine life either with alcohol or without it.
See what they do? They con you into thinking that we who are sober without AA are doomed to fail and unhappy.
@gouldenboy99 They tell you that millions have recovered because of their program, but look at how few old timers there are compared to the number of newcomers.
If AA were actually successful, there wouldn't be a 95% dropout rate in the first year. More people quit without AA that with AA - by far.
@gouldenboy99 If you're in AA, and you can't see that it's a faith healing cult with an overwhelming failure rate, then you are either a newcomer who hasn't seen through the nonsense, or you are indoctrinated and delusional.
@ndrthrdr1 6 years and counting........ google AA round ups or conferences San Antonio 40,000+ peeps and 2 million members world wide................. people are getting this and living my friend.............. sorry you got yourself in a relationship other then resentments..... relationships are close second to relapse! Good Luck Pete and I will pray for you again tonight!
@gouldenboy99 People who used to be in the Scientology cult want to help current cult members to see that Scientology is just nonsense indoctrination. They're not motivated by resentment, but by the desire to help the brainwashed. They see the organization for what it is, because they've been there.
Typical cultspeak to say that those critical of the cult are just resentful.
@gouldenboy99 Keep right on praying to the ceiling, but Google
heart patient prayer study
and see that your prayers do nothing. Studies prove it over and over.
2 million members by AA's self-serving count. 70 years, and a worldwide group can claim only 2 million? There are 7 billion people. Over 99.97% are NOT in your cult.
Also, AA counts people who are forced by court order to be there. Most laugh at the faith healing nonsense.
hey genius, your building is on fire and the elevator ain't working, better take the steps. You want free will, want to run your own show? Fine, your Heavenly Father gave you free will, as much as you can handle: you can hit your knees today, or hit them tomorrow when its too late. Hit them now and live life blessed by your Creator. Or wait until Judgement Day, and hit them when your ass starts going up in flames and the dark lord you bet your life on provides no relief whatsoever.
It's interesting what you're saying here, because I came across A LOT of men that were hateful towards women in the AA/12 step program. I mean it really stood out to me.
I too, hate AA. After a few meetings, I came away hanging out for a drink. These AA freaks are obsessed and have no life outside AA. They love the attention. I found it soooo depressing to hear the same shit over and over and had loads of men trying to help me ~ into bed ~ which disgusted me. I have been very happily sober without them for 15 years now. Once you are really ready ~ the craving for alcohol just disappears. It is a cult and nothing else...
@stelpan62 I agree!! AA is all BULLSHIT! It is the friends of the friendless group!!! THEY ARE ALL SUCH LOSERS and SCUMBAGS that NO ONE WANTS to be around so they all STICK TOGETHER
@TaraLovesGeorge That's right. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. That group of moping, depressed losers keep claiming to be "happy, joyous and free".
It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The suicides keep adding up.
@TaraLovesGeorge Thank you & I love the way you put that!! I left a post somewhere else about this issue & got some insanely nasty responses from AA freaks. Just goes to show how their "program" is helping them. If you can't live a life without AA ~ that is NOT sobriety. It is a crutch & just another addiction. I have had the most beautiful life for the last 15 years & I do NOT have AA to thank for that. It's called strength of charactor & the will power to change. Easy to do when you are ready.
@RecoveryTruth1 When I left the fucking cult of AA (which the courts forced me into) I told the cult members that I'd be better off drinking and drugging than attending cult meetings. My attitude has since changed. Now I say I'd be better off dead. I wouldn't recommend AA for my worst enemy. AA sucks! And these are some of the nicer things about AA. Did you know that Bill Wilson was a die-hard L.S.D user from the 1950s till the day he died?
It's my first time posting on youtube, so I am not sure of how this comes out. Let me say first that I am sorry about your pain with your ex girl. I felt what that was like also and it hurts so bad. I never got over her. Today, I have fallen into the path again but not because of her, but because of these medications for a psychical illness - diabetes. I also have some other legal type problems that took away all my friends. They disowned me over nothing. I started drinking
@normancourt1869 The best advice I could give you is to stop drinking. It is hurting you. You have the power to do this without resorting to joining a cult like AA. When you quit drinking you'll feel better and you'll have more contol over you're life. I know you've been to AA and it didn't work. You are NOT powerless and you don't have a disease. Just a self-destructive habit.
@somethingdiffereable I understand what your saying completely. The choice has to be my own. I've been to both Alateen -age 11 then later over on to AA- age 17, then age 29 but this was over a decade ago - for the AA. I was just hoping that I'd find a fresh start. I can see now ..... it's not what I was hoping for ...... a bunch of people that would just sit there with me like a friend. I got a feeling they are going to be trouble in my life. You see I have to drink to keep my sugars inline.
@normancourt1869 ...... continued (is this ok?) See I have been drinking wine at lunch time just a few ounces but then I got down with life (it isn't fair sometimes) and I went from 2 glasses to 2 1500ml bottles. What do you thinks happening to me? I really don't know. The loss of my friends hurt a-lot.
@normancourt1869 I don't know who told you alcohol would help you balance your sugar? Probably some idiot from AA! There are no medical benifits to drinking alcohol! It is toxic to your system. It is even more toxic to a diabetic. I was a medical student and biology major in college.. I've worked at hospitals in medical and genetic research!
@somethingdiffereable It was a risky gamble for me trying that idea. I was doing a-lot of exercising and often and that kept things good. I going back to that ... maybe I'll feel better than what I am feeling. Thanks
i went to a recovery center and was forced to go to that bullshit now i dont go and im still sober 7 years AA and NA fuck with people step 4 is total bullshit and it makes loads of people relapse fuck AA and NA
@RecoveryTruth1 AA has little to do with quiting an addiction and a lot to do with sin and redemption christian religiousity. And yes it is harmfull. It's a cult!
You're right. I was a member of the AA faith healing cult for a year. I attended several groups for a total of over 500 meetings. Type blamethenile into your YouTube search bar to see some truth about the cult. Their video Deprogramming Oneself from Alcoholics Anonymous started me on my road to real recovery, free of alcohol and the cult. I have just passed the 1000-day sober mark, and my life just keeps getting better. Youtube users GodlessPanther and godlessweasel make good videos, too.
Or people just continue to drink because they've bought into the notion that they are "powerless" to stop, a notion AA fully endorses. Then AA gives the "suffering alcoholic" ONE way out (while duplicitously claiming that these are but "suggestions"), the 12 step, "spiritually" based method. Anyone who it doesn't work for is said to not be "honest" and "doesn't want it". If that's not narcissism I don't know what is.
I know you bro!
steakbiscuit1 3 days ago
um you're shit housed, call your sponsor bret
zelocust 4 days ago
Many 12 steppers are the epitome of hypocrisy, narcissism, and delusional thinking. They are mostly self-absorbed, presumptuous, sanctimonious, pompous, and close-minded. Yet they proclaim that they are open-minded and not religious. What a bald-faced lie!!! 12-step programs are religious cults. Most state legislatures now acknowledge this fact. Also, read Charles Bufe's book Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure. This book answers many questions about the fraud of AA "success rates."
salahudeenabduladl 5 days ago
Your statement that "AA is the destruction after the destruction" is so apropos that I am incorporating it into my own anti-12 Stepper rants. Thanx for your video; it's great!!!
salahudeenabduladl 5 days ago
we'll save a seat for you.this guy sounds like he's drunk.I wonder why she wanted nothing to do with you,don't blame AA or your sponsor,it had nothing to do with you right? What a joke.Sounds a little wet brained to me.
randala551 1 week ago
Ok I don't care how bad AA is, it's not worse than addiction. Nothing is.
zeroeffects88 1 week ago
P.S. I really feel for you on you feelings, totally---I had same feelings----I take what I Want and leave the rest---I made actual friends in AA, and I stick with them---I pick people that I want they have-----most people I can't stand, and I get what I can from their experience, but I won't do something that I am told that feels wrong inside---IT really helps in many ways---you should give it another try, and stay away from negativity--choose a sponcer you can trust
I FEEL THE PAIN & UNDERSTAND
BIODTLOTHER1terrapin 1 week ago
Having been around for over 9 years-----I could totally understand what you are saying, but I don't agree. I know exactley how you fewel about this woman---I went through it, and you described my feelings exactely. I met here @ Kareoke in sobriety---going to bar. At first, he SUGGESTED that I walk-away from situation, so I did. Made me feel worse, and I told him. He told me to follow my heart. The relationship virtually ended ugly---now we are closer than ever,& I never drank
BIODTLOTHER1terrapin 1 week ago
I only spend 2 or 3 hours a week at meetings and am not unavailable to people outside of AA. I follow a Mahayana bath of buddhism and keep it simple. I still dislike some of the people and rhetoric, but most importantly I love who I am. We here in Akron will always welcome you., no matter what. Please give it another try, there is a group out there for you to help you find yourself.
Dandelo415 1 week ago
Hey bro, I do know how angry you are. I hated AA. When I first came into AA I couldn't fucking stand the rhetoric, the people , and most importantly myself. The thing is, I was going to live in misery if I could not quit using, my own personal hell. I decided to try it wholeheartedly and that I would not quit for a year. I just started to do what I was suggested to do. It saved my life. I am now going on three years sober and my life is as good as I will allow it to be, through my own actions.
Dandelo415 1 week ago
that is right
aa is a cult
josephsmith49 1 week ago
go have another drink
tommicks53 2 weeks ago
Sounds to me like your blaming everyone, except the guy in the mirror...
1dogelsa 2 weeks ago
Well what you expect from AA? the problem is you, not AA not the girl it's you now look at you just look how fat you are that in addiction in it self so all the work have to come from you, it's deep inside and only honesty, faith and acceptance will do the work AA only suggest things keep coming beck to AA cause you have no other choice .
MrManny075 2 weeks ago
what a dum ass keep getting high pal. learn to read try reading the BIG BOOK before you kill yourself.
loc827 2 weeks ago
This guy knows what he is talking about. Even a drunk like him can see through the AA cult. I'm court mandated to meetings and found some barely palatable meetings in the Bronx. The 12 steps are BS. Most of the people are not genuine and if you disagree with even one thing in the Big Book the squirm in their seats and give you the cold shoulder treatment.
thefordkid1 2 weeks ago
this dude sounds trashed LMAO...yo they gotta seat open for u homie!
DelawhereATC86 2 weeks ago
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"Cult" what a load of shit... I am not a member of AA nor an addict, but I have family members that are, and because of AA they have been clean and sober for many, many years.. If this is a "cult" then I have nothing but respect and love for it...
Hatebreed88 3 weeks ago
self pitty is a luxiury for an alcoholic.
omarZize 3 weeks ago
Is this guy drunk or high? Go eat your donut fatboy! lol
jose8a2007 3 weeks ago
I don't even have to defend AA.............I feel sorry for all the people that slur it just because their penny didn't drop.
MrDeleski 3 weeks ago
A more ballanced debate ON this story will start about Sep/Oct 2012 (+/+ 3 month). Thats fuckin' FAST for aa-standards*.
*It was 3 YEARS at godlesspanther and still aint nozhing at Isegoria.
andreasheinz 3 weeks ago
How high is this guy?
sea12gull 3 weeks ago
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aa at works
you had to be in the state of mind of been wasted (~ neurotic) to share your personal HONEST ESH. Else its just numb cult talk - w/o aa I'll be dead (who knows but god) - I'm sober 15 days now, applause applause (WTF is 15 days) etcetc.
My point is: Are people trained to talk the truth. Honesty, the key word in Chapter 5. My answer is no!
Think and feel what you want about aa. Leave or come back freely. The idiot shit-f*** 2miillion non-humans?
ONE coment about this *** sponsor?
andreasheinz 4 weeks ago
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andreasheinz 4 weeks ago
Dude in this scene cant even think of the right words, His pupils are huge and he slurs his words HYPOCRITE!!!
1stephanieandpaul 4 weeks ago
Just listen to him. Obviously not all there, and yet he talks bad about something that could've helped him.
eav0567 4 weeks ago 2
I have had a wonderful experience w being in AA , my life is pretty good, and I have 2 say ur story is mearly a Opinion, I would not be alive and living a good life 2day without the help of AA what works for me may not work for you but I know AA works and NA etc any program u take serious and stick by 2 help you will work only if you want it though!!!
1stephanieandpaul 4 weeks ago 2
You should do stand up comedy.
xxxxyyyyz1 1 month ago
it works for me im a happy man today 5 yrs sober and happy and free
tyelanbabey 1 month ago
@tyelanbabey I Couldnt Agree More I could say so many things 2 that guy but its a waste of time, His mind is closed 2 any positivity and If he thinks AA sucked so bad & is no longer in it than why is he saying Life sucks etc etc, whatever he is doing clearly isnt working now is it!!!
1stephanieandpaul 4 weeks ago
its like this it works for me and thats all that matters.....a real member will tell you to do whatever works..so if that works for u..... AA will continue to work without you....wishin you the best
sadisticsober 1 month ago
A Video worse than Addiction...My girlfriend broke up with me because I watch videos by losers. I think I'll make a video about it.
1maginaryTaskForce 1 month ago
Keep coming back
Oshaunasy 1 month ago
@Oshaunasy That's what all cult members say.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
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I was addicted to opiate pain killers for 6 or 7 years and i was going to AA meetings for the 1st year that i quit using pills. It just wasnt for me. I've been off opiates since 2009 and i know if i use them again, then it will just lead me back to that awful lifestyle. I didnt want to give up drinking as well, because i can control my drinking. I only drink when i go out which isnt that often anymore and i know my cut off limits. Im not saying AA doesnt work, but it just doesnt work for me.
TheWaynelds 1 month ago
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TheWaynelds 1 month ago
next time try WORKING the steps
bobdayle1 1 month ago
@bobdayle1 The steps don't work because your invisible, magical superhuman friend doesn't exist. What does work is simply not taking the next drink or drug and not being a jerk to others.
Don't drink and be nice. It's as simple as that.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago 2
This dude is drunk, on drugs or just a boring, loveless, moron.
catmoondaddy 1 month ago
Drunken Rant!!!!!
jimmiespeed 1 month ago
I feel pity for you. If you are an alcoholic (which you must be since you went to AA,) you are in deep sh*t. AA is nothing like you say. You missed the boat completely. AA is not about girls, or gurus. It's about no drinking one day at the time. I hope you can get some help soon, before you are completely destroyed by your anger and your alcoholism.
God bless you.
tangonista 1 month ago
@tangonista no AA is for people who are too dam weak to quit on their own...My Dad quit drinking 25 years ago not one dam metting completely abstinent he did it the dry drunk way (in Bill wilson's words) Bill was too weak to do it on his own too some people are just stupid and selfish and shortsighted and immature I guess
211Jetsfan 1 month ago
@211Jetsfan Wow, you are just full of goodness and compassion! Well, at least AA has given you and avenue to discharge your anger and frustration. I read and feel a lot of bitterness and hostility emanating from your post. It does seem misplaced though. It's kind of like hating the ground, or the sky. They are just there for you, not against you, just like AA. Peace.
tangonista 1 month ago
@tangonista hey if you had been to the crappy meetings I've been to you be pissed too...
211Jetsfan 1 month ago
People like u make me sick
AWESMEGUY 1 month ago
@AWESMEGUY why its true isnt it the langauge and bitterness that comes out is obvious or are you in denial about this Enjoy your vomit
jennymp59 1 month ago
@AWESMEGUY He's a really sad & suffering alcoholic. Don't be angry or disgusted with him. He is a sick individual. I hope he comes around for his own sake. AA is not affected by his sad and misplaced anger. I only hope others who need help are not turned away by his misplaced self-hatred
tangonista 1 month ago
all you people who oppose AA must have huge issues!!!! Your language is disgusting a product of an unhappy unvictorious life!!! You are angry at AA why if hasnt helped you that is your problem But you all seem angry miserable people and its trapped you into mindless foulmouthed sadness I feel so sorry for you God is real and can set you free wouldnt that be good to be happy and not biitter or twisted like you sound you are !!!!
jennymp59 1 month ago
@jennymp59 I'm happy - and over three years without a drink - without imagining that I have an invisible friend with whom I telepathically communicate.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
Dude. Are you drunk?
jbrent1953 1 month ago
he's hammered in this video. LOL
burndog79 1 month ago
This video is a joke. I love how people make judgments on AA and maybe were there once or twice against their own will lol. " I acted in folly because of my drinking and screwed that relationshit up.." Yeah an AA members have it wrong right? Please educate yourself bro.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
dam you were fucking wasted when you made this vid lol!
Fusionfreakdrummer 1 month ago
@Fusionfreakdrummer Go figure..he's not sober most likely lol
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
Stand strong, stand proud.
Dont drink, dont drug, dont overeat to much.
There'll allways be an England.
andreasheinz 1 month ago
Maybe you need to be in OA instead.
LadyNemesis2007 1 month ago
I dont believe I am wasting my time listening to this pickled individual who screwed his 'relationshit' up. Take a look in the mirror and watch your own video. Thats what caused her to run. Your a misguided dumbASS!
haystrevor40 1 month ago 2
Worked great for me. Thank you, AA. Those guys, Bill & Bob, were geniuses.
auctioneinstein 2 months ago
aa is a cult, you start to be "authentic". Thats a classic
andreasheinz 2 months ago
@dvdpfstr You left out the part about how AA is based on faith healing and evangelism. You also left out the fact that AA pushes the idea that we should have unlicensed, untrained counselors advising us on important decisions, and that these amateur counselors should be people who have histories of screwed up lives and should believe that they communicate telepathically with an invisible wizard.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago 6
@ndrthrdr1 Excellent rejoinder!!!!!
salahudeenabduladl 1 month ago
@ndrthrdr1 Wow you nailed right on the head, that's exactly all the things i love about it. You left out something much more sinister and exciting, but you'll have to come to one of our conventions to find out what it is.
hbutch33 2 weeks ago
If you were EVER in AA, pal, then you clearly NEVER got the RIGHT message at all. The way you speak .. in a pronounced SLURRED manner .. seems your brain is still fried & out of order. You seem hung up in your illness, personal paranoia & deep resentments. You know nothing about what you're TRYING to talk about. Yours is a most sad case. Tip: give it another go .. but pick your group carefully. You are clearly very vulnerable, very SICK, co-dependent, & you need to TREAD CAREFULLY ...
colindominy 2 months ago
@colindominy Typical pseudo-psychology cult rhetoric.
You're just another indoctrinated cult member who clearly shows that you're not "happy, joyous and free".
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago 3
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@ndrthrdr1
"happy, joyous and free"
What human being is?
The psychic flavour of life is usually a continual low-level dissatisfaction mixed with a little bit of fear and punctuated by moments of fleeting joy.
What Buddhist philosophy calls "Dukkha" - The First Noble Truth.
The plethora of self-help and professional-help methods/groups in western culture is proof positive that dissatisfaction is the norm in the west.
Nonetheless, I take your point that the AA promise is a fraud.
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Tell it like it is!!! It's so refreshing to see your very rational and insightful criticisms about the fraud and misfeasance of AA. AA and its adherents assume the role of counselor, confessor, and guru to hoards of confused, desperate, and vulnerable ppl who are new to that cult and naively believe that there is some help or ultimate benefit in AA attendance. NO!!! AA is an abyss of ignorance, backwardness, and exploitation. AA capitalizes on the sincerity of lost souls seeking help.
salahudeenabduladl 5 days ago
AA is a cult with a really high dropout rate because faith healing doesn't work.
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ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
i love your video. I started a new blog called leaving aa.com Thats right you are right. AA is full of nutjobs!
inwood75 2 months ago 2
I love retards. So cute. Look at him trying to talk. Awe. Mom must be so proud. Wouldn't you love to be this guys mom? I mean, what a prize!
nicklocicero 2 months ago
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nicklocicero 2 months ago
@MrBigballs26 You're a fucking illiterate idiot. Go fuck yourself you moron!
somethingdiffereable 2 months ago 2
@MrBigballs26 Hey stupid! I didn't make this video and I'm not fat! But I do agree with the guy who made this video about the cult of AA. If you are a member of this cult then you suck! If not you're just a good old fashioned idiot!
somethingdiffereable 2 months ago
99% of AA members are full of shit and a bunch of know-it-all phony retards. The people in the bars ALWAYS make me feel warm and welcomed, unlike the AA fellowhip as I raise my glass of Coors and drink.
nemesisgenius 2 months ago
AA and NA are No Where Near perfect AT ALL.....But They Are not Cults...The groups can lean to the "Cultish" side but they are harmless....AA and NA work because it is a group therapy environment. It gives people who have the same problem, an opportunity to get together and to talk in a group setting..this allows people to vent, to discover things about themselves, to emotionally heal, and that's why it works...You can get the same results fro alternative recovery groups....
catdaddy21870 2 months ago
This guy is obviously an expert.
PlutoPowered 3 months ago
One year sober and never went to a single AA meeting
twoxland 3 months ago
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He says it all at 3:54.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago 2
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ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
You are right my friend, you should never go to AA, you should go to Overeaters Anonymous
arkudaki 3 months ago
Fact....... Earth is round
Fact........ in 1386 a pig in France was hung in public for killing a child
Fact........ AA has saved 2 million lives and counting.
We can argue against anything but not facts........... then you know you have hit bottom when again Pete is in control! Pete I prayed for your recovery last night.... my spirit says your going to be alright
gouldenboy99 3 months ago
@gouldenboy99 said "Fact........ AA has saved 2 million lives and counting."
According to ... let me guess ... AA? How could they possibly know that? Even if that were true, that's pretty pathetic for 70 years of an international organization that has, by their own statistics, a 95% dropout rate in the first year alone.
Do they factor in the higher rate of suicide, or simply ignore those stats?
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Dude suicide from staying sober WTF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you think AA causes suicides!? This is a program to help every man and woman with a ALCOHOL PROBLEM! Tell you what read " A Vision for you" Dude AA helps Alcoholics and Alcoholism not extreme depression, if you are thinking of suicide many booze is not your biggest issue! We are not SHRINKS.............. I dunno anyway good luck Pete!
gouldenboy99 3 months ago
@gouldenboy99 People with 12 step in their past are far more likely to commit suicide than people who have used other methods to quit, probably because they've been told over and over that if they leave they will almost certainly fail and face "jails, institutions and death". They're told that they have an incurable disease, from which the best they can hope for is a "daily reprieve".
That's all nonsensical cult dogma. I am one of millions who are living proof that leaving AA is no problem.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago 2
@gouldenboy99 I'm not thinking of suicide. My life is going well. That's because I got out of the faith healing cult and into SMARTRecovery. I have three good, sober years now.
I did read "A vision for you". "...he isn’t happy about his sobriety. He can't picture life without alcohol. Some day he will be unable to imagine life either with alcohol or without it.
See what they do? They con you into thinking that we who are sober without AA are doomed to fail and unhappy.
That's cult dogma.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Good Luck Pete I guess that is freedom of speak! Anyway it works for this cowboy and I am glad the wheel works for you!
gouldenboy99 3 months ago
@gouldenboy99 They tell you that millions have recovered because of their program, but look at how few old timers there are compared to the number of newcomers.
If AA were actually successful, there wouldn't be a 95% dropout rate in the first year. More people quit without AA that with AA - by far.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@gouldenboy99 If you're in AA, and you can't see that it's a faith healing cult with an overwhelming failure rate, then you are either a newcomer who hasn't seen through the nonsense, or you are indoctrinated and delusional.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 6 years and counting........ google AA round ups or conferences San Antonio 40,000+ peeps and 2 million members world wide................. people are getting this and living my friend.............. sorry you got yourself in a relationship other then resentments..... relationships are close second to relapse! Good Luck Pete and I will pray for you again tonight!
gouldenboy99 3 months ago
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ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@gouldenboy99 People who used to be in the Scientology cult want to help current cult members to see that Scientology is just nonsense indoctrination. They're not motivated by resentment, but by the desire to help the brainwashed. They see the organization for what it is, because they've been there.
Typical cultspeak to say that those critical of the cult are just resentful.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
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@gouldenboy99 Keep right on praying to the ceiling, but Google
heart patient prayer study
and see that your prayers do nothing. Studies prove it over and over.
2 million members by AA's self-serving count. 70 years, and a worldwide group can claim only 2 million? There are 7 billion people. Over 99.97% are NOT in your cult.
Also, AA counts people who are forced by court order to be there. Most laugh at the faith healing nonsense.
Therefore, the cult is smaller than AA claims.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
Relationshit lol
ZuccottiPark 3 months ago
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dlanna2323 3 months ago
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hey genius, your building is on fire and the elevator ain't working, better take the steps. You want free will, want to run your own show? Fine, your Heavenly Father gave you free will, as much as you can handle: you can hit your knees today, or hit them tomorrow when its too late. Hit them now and live life blessed by your Creator. Or wait until Judgement Day, and hit them when your ass starts going up in flames and the dark lord you bet your life on provides no relief whatsoever.
MrSisulove 3 months ago
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What are you on?
RD1angel 3 months ago
It's interesting what you're saying here, because I came across A LOT of men that were hateful towards women in the AA/12 step program. I mean it really stood out to me.
Zerafinel 3 months ago 2
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What about other 12 step programs? Like Sex Addicts Anonymous? I've been attending a sex addicts meeting for a few weeks now.
Stevequagmire 3 months ago
I too, hate AA. After a few meetings, I came away hanging out for a drink. These AA freaks are obsessed and have no life outside AA. They love the attention. I found it soooo depressing to hear the same shit over and over and had loads of men trying to help me ~ into bed ~ which disgusted me. I have been very happily sober without them for 15 years now. Once you are really ready ~ the craving for alcohol just disappears. It is a cult and nothing else...
stelpan62 3 months ago 6
@stelpan62 I agree!! AA is all BULLSHIT! It is the friends of the friendless group!!! THEY ARE ALL SUCH LOSERS and SCUMBAGS that NO ONE WANTS to be around so they all STICK TOGETHER
TaraLovesGeorge 1 month ago
@TaraLovesGeorge That's right. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. That group of moping, depressed losers keep claiming to be "happy, joyous and free".
It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The suicides keep adding up.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
@TaraLovesGeorge Thank you & I love the way you put that!! I left a post somewhere else about this issue & got some insanely nasty responses from AA freaks. Just goes to show how their "program" is helping them. If you can't live a life without AA ~ that is NOT sobriety. It is a crutch & just another addiction. I have had the most beautiful life for the last 15 years & I do NOT have AA to thank for that. It's called strength of charactor & the will power to change. Easy to do when you are ready.
stelpan62 1 month ago
ahhhh SOMEONE WHO THINKS LIKE I DO ABOUT THAT SHIT! haha about time!!! amen to this video... haha loved it
tjomc82 4 months ago 2
@2:29
"ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS IS MORE POPULAR THAN JESUS !"
Ringo Starr
BUZOSKARSON 4 months ago
I think a quart of vodka has gone down the old trachea here! slur slur slur slur! lol
Oh the self pity!!!! Poor you, you fucked up a relationship. Join the club! Maybe you should have tried some controlled drinking! lol
CelticReject 4 months ago
@CelticReject
HOW DARE YOU!!!
Hammersley1967 4 months ago
@RecoveryTruth1 When I left the fucking cult of AA (which the courts forced me into) I told the cult members that I'd be better off drinking and drugging than attending cult meetings. My attitude has since changed. Now I say I'd be better off dead. I wouldn't recommend AA for my worst enemy. AA sucks! And these are some of the nicer things about AA. Did you know that Bill Wilson was a die-hard L.S.D user from the 1950s till the day he died?
somethingdiffereable 5 months ago 10
It's my first time posting on youtube, so I am not sure of how this comes out. Let me say first that I am sorry about your pain with your ex girl. I felt what that was like also and it hurts so bad. I never got over her. Today, I have fallen into the path again but not because of her, but because of these medications for a psychical illness - diabetes. I also have some other legal type problems that took away all my friends. They disowned me over nothing. I started drinking
normancourt1869 2 months ago
@normancourt1869 The best advice I could give you is to stop drinking. It is hurting you. You have the power to do this without resorting to joining a cult like AA. When you quit drinking you'll feel better and you'll have more contol over you're life. I know you've been to AA and it didn't work. You are NOT powerless and you don't have a disease. Just a self-destructive habit.
somethingdiffereable 2 months ago
@somethingdiffereable I understand what your saying completely. The choice has to be my own. I've been to both Alateen -age 11 then later over on to AA- age 17, then age 29 but this was over a decade ago - for the AA. I was just hoping that I'd find a fresh start. I can see now ..... it's not what I was hoping for ...... a bunch of people that would just sit there with me like a friend. I got a feeling they are going to be trouble in my life. You see I have to drink to keep my sugars inline.
normancourt1869 2 months ago
@normancourt1869 ...... continued (is this ok?) See I have been drinking wine at lunch time just a few ounces but then I got down with life (it isn't fair sometimes) and I went from 2 glasses to 2 1500ml bottles. What do you thinks happening to me? I really don't know. The loss of my friends hurt a-lot.
normancourt1869 2 months ago
@normancourt1869 I don't know who told you alcohol would help you balance your sugar? Probably some idiot from AA! There are no medical benifits to drinking alcohol! It is toxic to your system. It is even more toxic to a diabetic. I was a medical student and biology major in college.. I've worked at hospitals in medical and genetic research!
somethingdiffereable 2 months ago
@somethingdiffereable It was a risky gamble for me trying that idea. I was doing a-lot of exercising and often and that kept things good. I going back to that ... maybe I'll feel better than what I am feeling. Thanks
normancourt1869 2 months ago
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AA´s POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FACT NUMBER 1:
IF YOU DON´T AGREE WITH AA THAT ALCOHOLISM
IS A DISEASE, THEN YOU ARE A 12 STEPS-PHOBIC !
OR MAYBE EVEN A “RECOVERY-PHOBIC” !
BUZOSKARSON 5 months ago
what is a sponsor? an untrained person that tells other people how to live their life. Why do they do it? to play god.
Commonsense11111 5 months ago 3
i went to a recovery center and was forced to go to that bullshit now i dont go and im still sober 7 years AA and NA fuck with people step 4 is total bullshit and it makes loads of people relapse fuck AA and NA
eaglesrule951675 5 months ago 9
@RecoveryTruth1 AA has little to do with quiting an addiction and a lot to do with sin and redemption christian religiousity. And yes it is harmfull. It's a cult!
somethingdiffereable 5 months ago
Dude you sound drunk
gravylegs1 5 months ago 2
I agree with the narcissistic attitudes, but are you drunk on here. Just wondering.
hellstotheyesbaby 6 months ago
You're right. I was a member of the AA faith healing cult for a year. I attended several groups for a total of over 500 meetings. Type blamethenile into your YouTube search bar to see some truth about the cult. Their video Deprogramming Oneself from Alcoholics Anonymous started me on my road to real recovery, free of alcohol and the cult. I have just passed the 1000-day sober mark, and my life just keeps getting better. Youtube users GodlessPanther and godlessweasel make good videos, too.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
What an absolute load of rubbish!
It's narcissism that creates the alcoholic. An arrogance and selfishness.
People go to AA to STOP being so narcissistic!!
CelticReject 6 months ago
@CelticReject:
Or people just continue to drink because they've bought into the notion that they are "powerless" to stop, a notion AA fully endorses. Then AA gives the "suffering alcoholic" ONE way out (while duplicitously claiming that these are but "suggestions"), the 12 step, "spiritually" based method. Anyone who it doesn't work for is said to not be "honest" and "doesn't want it". If that's not narcissism I don't know what is.
zyxwut321 6 months ago
@CelticReject
All AAers SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, OR PARROTS
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT ARROGANCE & SELFISHNESS, OR
"Selfishness & Self-Centeredness, that is what we think is the root
of our problem". IS JUST RUBBISH (notice the words "we think").
THIS rubbish IS JUST THE (AA Book) BILL WILSONS “THEORY”
(& not backed up with facts).
TAKING THIS & TURNING IT AROUND, IT BECOMES LIKE THIS:
EVERYBODY & HIS MOTHER, WHO ARE ARROGANT & SELFISH
ARE ALCOHOLICS ! Rubbish.
BUZOSKARSON 5 months ago
@BUZOSKARSON
Oh you selfish, self-centred person...
HOW DARE YOU!!!
Hammersley1967 4 months ago
@Hammersley1967
I guess that too many AA meetings have turned
me into the selfish CUNT that I am today !
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Hammersley1967 4 months ago
@BUZOSKARSON
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
YOU DARE TO DEFILE THE SACRED NAME OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS!!!
HOW VERY, VERY DARE YOU KIND SIR!!!
Hammersley1967 4 months ago