@SexyPirahna Cowboys From Hell was the mark of finally getting a major record label and also thought of as the debut for the Pantera most people know.
Dude this sounds sooooooo cool!! I'm used to the regular ol' 90's Pantera but to hear them do something like this before is just bizzare. The "Metal Magic" album was soooooo different than what they did in the 90s. It went from like hair metal to sludge metal within 10-11 years. Great song, definitely have to go see if anyone still has this on CD lol. Doubt it though, its probably rare up the ass to find.
pantera had 8 albums in the pussy hair band days. thank god they crossed over to real metal. i hear this as i drink my beer and i won't lie i almost pissed my pants laughing.
@pluna005 ugh what is your definition of (real metal)? How is this song so different than Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Are they not real metal either?
@pluna005 dude this was a better album than The Great Southern Trendkill or Far Beyond Driven. As was Metal Magic and Projects in the Jungle. Don't underestimate the old stuff too much.
@clem070605 no its not you fag! The Great Southern Trendkill and Far Beyond Driven are some of the finest metal albums ever, this shit sounds almost like gayass Motley Crue !!
@L0STH0RIZ0N Motley Crue's first two albums were great metal albums by any standards. And 80s Pantera had all the ingredients of great metal: powerful vocals with high pitched falsettos: check, catchy riffs and melodies: check, ripping guitar solos: check. Just because a band dresses in spandex and teases their hair doesn't mean that they won't still sound awesome.
Best Band! Totally different from any other bands in 86 or 96! Everythings good, but Pantera was always better! Lots of custom shit in here, This is not for the radio!
i gotta bitch. first off, i have noticed on a lot of this album's videos people say "who cares if its glam?" do you know what you are telling everybody? that you read on wikipedia that pantera used to be glam before cowboys. also you are a poseur who is trying to be metal and read on a comment board that "glam is fags! 'tallica RULES!!! l..l," when you obviously dont know what glam is. also people saying thank god he changed his vocals after this. his vocals here are more difficult. you try em.
i dont get why people are always looking for something to compare them to. fuck jsut leave em alone they are pantera and they made their music how they wanted. not how you wanted. bitches. so shutup this music came out 20 years ago. its a little late
@lizbethmora15 Maiden were about finesse. This is way too harsh to sound like maiden. With that said it does sound like Priest. Some people think that those two bands sound like but I really dont' at all.
The Glam sound doesn't exist. It's industry crap. This is just Heavy Metal. The music is properly described as either Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, etcetera.
@codebabe Maiden and Crue went out around the same time. Priest was around for a lot longer, but they evolved with time. While Priest and Maiden are undeniable originators in the Metal genre, the speed and style of Crue did contribute to Metal music. Whether you want to admit it or not. Everybody incorporated it in their sound.
You dismiss a whole aspect of the genre. Dio, Quiet Riot, London, Lizzy Borden, Van Halen, Whitesnake, Cinderella, Ratt, Dokken, Skid Row, GNR, Y&T, Blue Murder, etc.
Van Halen have said themselves many times they aren't metal. And I agree with them. they are high voltage rock. GnR is the same way. Dio is true metal to the bone. No glam or any other subgenre, just metal.
@Executioner55551 btw, Maiden were actually out playing clubs around 75-76 doing their thing. They just didn't get signed until much later. And listen to the song Fireball by Deep Purple or Kill the King by Rainbow. Thats where speed came from(and thats back in the 70s). Live wire, for its time wasnt all that fast.
@codebabe I know Maiden were playing clubs with an early incarnation since the mid 70's of course. They evolved with time. Crue had the speed, riffs and style that contributed to Metal. As did Maiden, as did Priest. Zep, Purple and Rainbow had their share of influences as well. All that evolved in Glam Metal. Again, Glam is really just part of Heavy Metal. It gets pejoratively termed evil for being Metal's Pop appeal by a scam industry selling Bieber and all that crap. It's good music.
@codebabe People seem to remember you sticking up for Justin Bieber, from when the Metal Militia attacked his Baby video... From there it's not hard to fathom we're never gonna agree of course. It's a conflict of interest.
@codebabe Very well. I just replied to you the minute I saw you "campaigning" against this sound. You may have your opinion, you may have any opinion and voice it. But of course I also have the right to mine. And so I choose to reason.
Point being you can't categorize like that, and rule out a whole aspect of the genre. Every band is different, and has different songs. When you go gay this and that, as if it were to be a fact, and ignore all artistry, it is gonna make you look questionable.
@Executioner55551 I take back what I said of the genre as a whole. I still wont be able to appreciate certain bands, like Poison for instance. I've heard a lot of their music and I really can't justify it.
@codebabe Fair enough. The issue is that Poison is not a Metal band. They get tagged on image. Musically they're just Rock 'n' Roll. Party music, which is what they're good for though. They have a lot in common with the 50's sound.
The crap starts when they're the first band to be mentioned for any association with Glam Metal, which is Heavy Metal music. It regards marketeers going against Rock and Metal, messing with the definitions to sell their own crap. The doing of a corrupt business.
@Executioner55551 I've started to understand more about glam after talking to you about this. I honestly must apologize for being so adamant. Even if I dont care for some of them. you were correct in saying you can't bad mouth the entire genre.
@codebabe Accepted. Media manipulation is used to deceive and play people out against each other, to promote sham products. It's a fraudulent campaign to shut out actual musicality in Rock and Metal music, and playing out fanbases against each other. And not only these genres, any substance. Just because their target is selling JB for instance. 90% of the people saying that stuff you can't reason with, because they're paid to write it. That's when I refute. It's business as usual.
@codebabe Well, what can I say? It's a classic Metal album, and an all time favorite of mine. Great stuff there. Good for you getting into Dio. That's what true Metal is about. Keep it up. =)
@Executioner55551 I actually would say i enjoy that album as much as Holy Diver or Heaven and Hell. Rainbow Rising is pretty great too. Although blackmore is one of my all time fave players, I prefere the nice crunch of a metal player like Campbel or Iommi with Dio's voice.
@codebabe FYI: Crue was one of the revolutionary bands at the start of Heavy Metal in terms of speed and playing. Live Wire from 1981 being an example.
And Mustaine should just shut up. Megadeth has more structures in common with what you're attempting to go against. He's merely hyping up himself, as said previously on here.
@Executioner55551 crue weren't fast at all in comparison to bands like Maiden and Priest who were doing that alot eariler. and nothing about their playing was special. mars is one of the worst guitarists of his genre in all honesty.
@codebabe WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO YOU IS THAT YOU'RE A CORPORATE SLUT. The term Hair Metal alone was manufactured by MTV in the 1990's to sell their new formats. Namely Rap, read Hip Pop and so on. An order placed by the scam industry. The purpose is taking Metal's ability to have generally accepted good songs known as popular appeaI. It's about selling the crap you hear on the radio and see on the fraud charts.
@Executioner55551 nothing about my taste in music is corporate. i dont listen to the radio. i do it through word of mouth. i dont care for a certain genre of music. nothing is wrong with that.
@codebabe You can pose as whatever you want. Mind if I don't take your word for it? The common thing to do is pose as an outcast, to attack the genre's Pop appeal, and cause trouble between Metal fans. Meanwhile you're getting caught selling Bieber, and it all makes sense. I like Glam, I like Thrash, I like all that shit. No matter all the BS you try to write on here, it's all Metal, and it will always be Metal.
@Executioner55551 I havent gotten caught selling anything. i dont know wtf you're talkin about friend. I dont really understand internet slang I guess. You're reading into all of this way too far. I said i didnt care for a genre that doesnt make me a troll. i'm not attempting to turn anyone against anyone. Thats just silly.
to me this isnt really glam, it's true metal. along the lines of Priest or Maiden. their look was glam but musically i dont think this kind of tune is glam. compare this to poison or crue and its not the same at all.
@codebabe What we need to get straight is that Glam merely stands for Pop appeal here. It's all Heavy Metal. There's a huge difference between Crue and Poison in sound as well. You can't just box all these bands as sounding the same, like the industry tried to do when they stopped promoting Rock and Metal music. Poison's songs like Talk Dirty To Me are not Metal, but Crue's stuff like Kickstart My Heart is. Huge difference there.
@PresidentDirector That is true, but Crue still had boppy songs like girls girls girls. stuff you just wouldn't hear on a motorhead or maiden album. to me its very poppy. i get your point though.
@codebabe Crue’s Girls Girls Girls is a Metal strip club joint. Each band has their own style. Some stuff may not appeal to you, lyrically or whatever, but what makes you think you have the right to badmouth it? It’s good stuff in its own right.
Now if you truly wanted to make yourself useful you’d be going against that crap sold for music, and promoted by payola on the charts and radio. This makes you look suspicious. Most likely a corporate employee selling the BEP, and all that crap here.
@TheMobRules2010 Musically, they didn't do anything new. They just wrote songs they knew would sell about partying and getting laid. Its kind of funny how youre talking about selling out when making money and getting pussy is all they were ever about. If your musicianship can back it up thats fine, but no one in Crue is that skilled on their instrument and Neil's voice isn't anything to get excited over. They deserve no more credit than any pop artist who can write catchy tunes.
Motley crue, poison, metallica. iron maiden, dokken. anthrax, pantera, etc, they are heavy metal, just different kind, some are glam, nwobhm or thrash, which are subgenre of the heavy metal.
Pantera always played the boundaries between Glam and Thrash. They were it all. What they really were is just Heavy Metal, right down to the pure original definition of the genre.
@PresidentDirector The pure original definition of the genre is Doom Metal, like Black Sabbath. The mix of blues, hard rock and a dark atmosphere. Pantera was pure Heavy Metal, yeah. As were many bands that had the glam label thrown on them, like early Motley Crue, or Bach-Skid Row, or W.A.S.P. But not the "pure original definition of the genre".
@ThazuaBlackarrow I look at it like this: Black Sabbath may be the band who started Heavy Metal, but the doom part was just their own identity as a band. A band like Priest differs there. So the understanding of the Heavy Metal genre was never Doom Metal, as the Heavy Metal part is about the heaviness, and not the band identity.
@codebabe If you're a poser.... This band was never original. This sounds like a metallica rip off. And in their later years they ripped off Exhorder...
@Sjamsucks i'm not getting into another fight. i will keep my mouth shut. because your comment is bogus. take care. i've listened to a ton of metallica and a fair share of exhorder. i dont agree with you.
@codebabe I definitely agree with you on that. Pantera doesnt sound like Metallica at all, they're wayy better and alot more metal. This blows their shit outta the water
@shredgnartasticable ahhh....i didn't mean it like that.lol and i wouldn't call pantera more metal necessarily. I personally am a much bigger pantera fan than metallica fan, but I appreciate metallica's ability to compose exotic lengthier tunes with interesting time changes. And Justice for All and One are pretty amazing. With that said, Pantera are heavier and imo, a bit more ahead of their time. though thats hard to say for sure
@codebabe yeahh thats really true, its kinda hard to compare them, they're both pretty different sounds. And Justice for All is definitelly a good album.
@filofeigondo oh i was saying that they dont sound like it. some otehr guy was saying that and i was telling him how i dont hear that at all. and yes you are right
It's a stupid biased statement. Metal is about the speed and the heaviness. This brings it... in quality.
For the rest of it; Crue has Metal stuff too, Poison with "Talk Dirty To Me" etcetera is just Rock 'n' Roll, so that's not Metal. Other stuff may vary again. Glam Metal music, as the term reads is most definitely part of the Metal genre. Those who disagree have either no understanding of the Metal genre, or are more commonly biased in favor of selling their own lousy products.
People that hate somebody cuz they don't like this or like that is fuckin stupid as hell. Who gives a shit. I like all kinds of shit...pantera just happens to be my fav.
People that hate somebody cuz they don't like this or like that is fuckin stupid as hell. Who gives a shit. I like all kinds of shit...pantera just happens to be my fav.
Limitation to shouting and repeating chords is not more Metal than bringing an impressive falsetto over a guitar rocking out. Quality stuff here. The aggression and the power - best of both worlds.
Why would Phil abandoned all this high pitch vocals? I mean I love Cowboys and Power vocals but then on Driven he was all cookie monster all the time. Except for the black sabbath cover.
I think this would've made a great Queensryche song. Geoff Tate could've pulled this off. This is a great track, Pantera is kick ass band and this shows a kick ass side of them.
I think what we have to keep in mind is that the difference lays more in different approach than heaviness here. I like anger and aggression, but it doesn't have to interfere with musical quality. It can be good. This is the best of both worlds.
The reason Phil's vocal declined on record would be that he had vocal issues, couldn't really hit these notes anymore after CFH. There were the necessary issues between the band members about it as well. The record company marketed that for heaviness.
i dnt actualy think dey changed that much between power metal and cowboys from hell. if u listen den ull find that every album is that much heavier dan de one b4 it.
Maybe Anselmo got raped or something and he got more angry and nazi and bitter. Hate and anger have ruined so many musical careers.
Let it be hate towards critics or rival bands or anything, you never should go that path. Just do your own thing you love and do not let hate guide your songwriting.
you illiterate shmucks under 25 elitist know-it-alls make me embarassed to express my love for the genre this music qualifies as...shut the fuck up...all of you
The vocal differences here are that Phil actually delivers an impressive falsetto vocal to the mix. Hearing this has many people surprised as they would never know Phil could actually sing, when only having heard the later 90's stuff.
Vocal skills have always been a part of Heavy Metal. It's not just about shouting. If you wanna sell it for that shit you're the poser. It's the best of both worlds, which makes it good music. The loudness, the aggression, AND the POWER.
@taronid You wanna call actual vocal skill gay? You wanna call singing gay? You wanna disown Priest and Maiden you fucking poser? I fucking hit you in the face. Get lost, you're evidently not a Metal fan. You're the homo with that aids cock up your ass. Have fun blowing dicks, but Bieber is rejected.
im a musician a good one at that and i cringe at record companies and the business its not for everyone. its a dirty game that doesnt follow morals and the social norms.
@davidlm6974 Only because they hit the big time with Cowboys and on. I was there. The record company made sure they didn't play any of their older material. They were told to disown it because it didn't fit in with the image they had in mind for them. It's the dirty business for you.
This is awful, it sounds like every other gay metal band in the 80's. Pantera in the 90's is the true Pantera that had there own sound. This shit sounds like Queensryche or shitty Judas Priest.
@davidlm6974 Yeah, I get it. You're not a Metal fan. Dissing on Priest and Queensryche is not done pal. Priest is one of the biggest influences of Phil and Pantera. They're one of the genre's pioneers. If you're gonna pose, at least learn your facts Hip Pop homo. 90's bands sound alike as well. This is the Pantera sound done to perfection in classic Metal glory.
@davidlm6974 Actually this IS the true and original Pantera right here. It was the record company that had a saying, if they didn't give in there wasn't a deal. Cowboys and shit is alright, but that stuff isn't anymore real than what went before on their own.
@Valhalla900001 I was talking about Phil in the 80's Pantera, retard. I love Pantera. Phil Anselmo is one of my favorite singers. God, what is it with you fucking idiots. You people make me sick to my fucking stomach.
@Valhalla900001 Wow, you are such an idiot. I fucking hate hip hop and pop. I love heavy metal and Pantera, I just love their later work more. You are simply just an idiot are you.
@GHReaper1996 And you're simply a poser, aren't you? Fun huh? Real Metal fans don't diss this. You'd respect and rock out to your shit. But no. You're on here bitching about a good and popular form of Heavy Metal with you corporate scam talk. You're nothing but a fucking homo on a poser profile. Claim to like Heavy Metal while fucking Ludacris in the butt.
@chompykitty i agree with you, i don't like motley crue or poison, but I don't consider "glam" pantera to be a glam band. They were simply a thrash band that dressed glam.
@codebabe your stupid get your facts straight. Glam help build up thrash because the people who hated the glam scene stuff became thrash metal. its kind of hard to explain in one comment but if you watch the metal documentaries and stuff you will know
@CrushedJustice thrash would have been created with or without the arrival of the glam scene. that is obvious man. i'm not stupid. and my facts are straight. yes, thrash bands didn't like the glam scene, but it wasnt strictly a backlash against it. it was the influence from bands like Iron Maiden and Motorhead that made them want to take that notch of heaviness and speed a couple steps further and take the british sounds and Americanize it.
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Does anyone know what effect did Dime used in his solos during the 80´s era????
MrNachoplaza 2 weeks ago
I personally think this was their best album
Metalhead121396 1 month ago 3
This is way better than the "Rock the world by the Bubbles"
kakan147 1 month ago
@kakan147 lol that's the first thing I thought of when I clicked on this song.
penaltyupyourass 1 month ago
Some of you people seem to be confused phil didn't join the band until right before they made cowboys from hell.
SexyPirahna 2 months ago
@SexyPirahna This is the first album they did with Phil, that's him on the cover in the denim jacket
evilotto77cheese 1 month ago
@evilotto77cheese There I go getting my information from wikepedia again.
SexyPirahna 1 month ago
@SexyPirahna Cowboys From Hell was the mark of finally getting a major record label and also thought of as the debut for the Pantera most people know.
MajorPwnage96 1 month ago
I don't care what anyone says. This album has nothing to do with hair metal. It's pure fucking Thrash Metal.
sinbysin666 2 months ago
@themetalmeltdown166 ebay my friend. I bought this album, and the one before this I Am the Night.
PUNISHERWarzone87 2 months ago
Dude this sounds sooooooo cool!! I'm used to the regular ol' 90's Pantera but to hear them do something like this before is just bizzare. The "Metal Magic" album was soooooo different than what they did in the 90s. It went from like hair metal to sludge metal within 10-11 years. Great song, definitely have to go see if anyone still has this on CD lol. Doubt it though, its probably rare up the ass to find.
themetalmeltdown166 3 months ago
I heard Phil wouldn't sign this LP for a fan. Told the dude to fuck.off
pROFILE4our20 3 months ago
@pROFILE4our20 Doesn't really surprise me if he did.
penaltyupyourass 1 month ago
wtf i'm the 77,666th viewer!!! :O \m/ rock on, my brothers!!!
Narutonisama 5 months ago
Uhhhhhh.......... No.
Wastelander1972 5 months ago
I wish Phil could sing just like this again...
penumrocker25 5 months ago 3
We allllllll ROCK!...rock the world! FUCK YES! Keep metal alive!
ConnorxNxKC 6 months ago
too cool....i didnt even know about the albums before "cowboys"!!!!!just stumbled across it by accident.......god bless youtube!!.....lol
markosborne1969 6 months ago
This song is a sign of things to come further. PANTERA would Rock the entire word for ages to come soon enough.
verminslayer 6 months ago 2
i love pantera.glam power metal eran and i like 90s pantera ofcourse:)
freddyvonmetal 6 months ago
This is thrash, man..... He's got Halford vocals and they actually sound a little bit like old Metallica
Thanos700 6 months ago
pantera had 8 albums in the pussy hair band days. thank god they crossed over to real metal. i hear this as i drink my beer and i won't lie i almost pissed my pants laughing.
pluna005 6 months ago
@pluna005 But cant deny for beginners.. this music was so fuckin good...
Power metal is fuckin awesome....as cfh..as fbd..and the fuckin great southern..
Listen to dime solos on this album..especially on Down Below... FUCKIN GOD
Fuck1nMetal 6 months ago
@pluna005 yeah but the guitar work in this album is pretty impressive . but hey man to each their own right.
cephestus 6 months ago
@pluna005 ugh what is your definition of (real metal)? How is this song so different than Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Are they not real metal either?
stdoomsayer 6 months ago
@pluna005 your a moron, this kicks ass dude, reminds me of fuckin laaz rockit and exciter
doolb666 6 months ago
@pluna005 dude this was a better album than The Great Southern Trendkill or Far Beyond Driven. As was Metal Magic and Projects in the Jungle. Don't underestimate the old stuff too much.
clem070605 6 months ago
@clem070605 no its not you fag! The Great Southern Trendkill and Far Beyond Driven are some of the finest metal albums ever, this shit sounds almost like gayass Motley Crue !!
L0STH0RIZ0N 3 months ago
@L0STH0RIZ0N Motley Crue's first two albums were great metal albums by any standards. And 80s Pantera had all the ingredients of great metal: powerful vocals with high pitched falsettos: check, catchy riffs and melodies: check, ripping guitar solos: check. Just because a band dresses in spandex and teases their hair doesn't mean that they won't still sound awesome.
clem070605 3 months ago 2
@clem070605 ok you sound like an intelligent civilazed person with half a brain, Im gonna recheck their older music again, thanks for the replying!!
L0STH0RIZ0N 3 months ago
huge vocal range here
thrasherlml 6 months ago
Best Band! Totally different from any other bands in 86 or 96! Everythings good, but Pantera was always better! Lots of custom shit in here, This is not for the radio!
gnarlyTHRASHER 7 months ago
Everything from this album is awesome!
USAF2409 7 months ago
i gotta bitch. first off, i have noticed on a lot of this album's videos people say "who cares if its glam?" do you know what you are telling everybody? that you read on wikipedia that pantera used to be glam before cowboys. also you are a poseur who is trying to be metal and read on a comment board that "glam is fags! 'tallica RULES!!! l..l," when you obviously dont know what glam is. also people saying thank god he changed his vocals after this. his vocals here are more difficult. you try em.
motleydrue666 7 months ago 4
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Metalmaniac365 8 months ago
this one sounds like it belongs with I am the Night. Just saying.
hjkentproductions 8 months ago
it's sounds like pantera, stop trying to compare them to someone.
kingvictor007 9 months ago
iron miden o.o pantera is the best
TheMarkzdrop 9 months ago
can't believe how much their music changed from this album compared to cowboys from hell! james hetfield influenced dime forsure after this album!
sixslinger 10 months ago
i dont get why people are always looking for something to compare them to. fuck jsut leave em alone they are pantera and they made their music how they wanted. not how you wanted. bitches. so shutup this music came out 20 years ago. its a little late
cephestus 10 months ago 24
@cephestus They're in their own thing that no one can really compare them to but you're right. Pantera is Pantera and will always be that way.
themetalmeltdown166 3 months ago
Superior Pantera
Danowar1990 10 months ago
I don't know what Pantera's problem is. This album destroys.
Ragnareich 10 months ago
THESE ARE INSANE AND F*CKING AWESOME
DieKronkeFresse 11 months ago
THESE GUYS ARE POWER METAL!! nahh
TobiToxic666 11 months ago
@codebabe in my opinion. :p
lizbethmora15 11 months ago
they sound like Iron Maiden to me :0 lol
lizbethmora15 1 year ago 3
@lizbethmora15 Maiden were about finesse. This is way too harsh to sound like maiden. With that said it does sound like Priest. Some people think that those two bands sound like but I really dont' at all.
codebabe 1 year ago
@lizbethmora15 Maiden have never had such songs and such a killer vocals too :)
worshippriest 4 months ago
This sounds like Judas Priest/Queensryche mix
clingerization 1 year ago 37
@clingerization Sounds more like pantera to me
cephestus 11 months ago
@clingerization Sounds like KISS and Judas Priest.
Likeyoucaremuch6 7 months ago
@clingerization no your wrong, this sound like PANTERA
teddy1from0hell 4 months ago
@clingerization just so you know i saw them both in the same day this summer in finland... i also saw accept that day... :D
JizzzDaPit 3 months ago
Love this album.
LORDGOAT1976 1 year ago
Now. This. Is. Mettttttallll!! Not this weak shit today
wwedude1987 1 year ago
it sounds like judas very good tough
serginh0w 1 year ago
@serginh0w yeah I noticed that too
thrashwolf666 1 year ago
Power wawawawawawawawawawawawawaeaeaeae. Amazing
PriesTxExciteR 1 year ago
We raise our fists in rebellion we stand!!!
InTheArmsOfGod 1 year ago
Don't know why this is even thought of being a glam metal album...this is old school heavy metal at its best!
UndeadThrasher447 1 year ago
phil's vocals in this tune and dime's riff. son of a bitch i keep coming back to lisen!!
codebabe 1 year ago
I like post power metal Pantera a lot but this album has some awesome songs.
bocinaswoo 1 year ago
@bocinaswoo agreed. this is them wearing their priest influence on their sleeve. which is cool.
codebabe 1 year ago
The Glam sound doesn't exist. It's industry crap. This is just Heavy Metal. The music is properly described as either Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, etcetera.
WordsOfWisdom3000 1 year ago
@codebabe Maiden and Crue went out around the same time. Priest was around for a lot longer, but they evolved with time. While Priest and Maiden are undeniable originators in the Metal genre, the speed and style of Crue did contribute to Metal music. Whether you want to admit it or not. Everybody incorporated it in their sound.
You dismiss a whole aspect of the genre. Dio, Quiet Riot, London, Lizzy Borden, Van Halen, Whitesnake, Cinderella, Ratt, Dokken, Skid Row, GNR, Y&T, Blue Murder, etc.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
Van Halen have said themselves many times they aren't metal. And I agree with them. they are high voltage rock. GnR is the same way. Dio is true metal to the bone. No glam or any other subgenre, just metal.
codebabe 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 btw, Maiden were actually out playing clubs around 75-76 doing their thing. They just didn't get signed until much later. And listen to the song Fireball by Deep Purple or Kill the King by Rainbow. Thats where speed came from(and thats back in the 70s). Live wire, for its time wasnt all that fast.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe I know Maiden were playing clubs with an early incarnation since the mid 70's of course. They evolved with time. Crue had the speed, riffs and style that contributed to Metal. As did Maiden, as did Priest. Zep, Purple and Rainbow had their share of influences as well. All that evolved in Glam Metal. Again, Glam is really just part of Heavy Metal. It gets pejoratively termed evil for being Metal's Pop appeal by a scam industry selling Bieber and all that crap. It's good music.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@codebabe People seem to remember you sticking up for Justin Bieber, from when the Metal Militia attacked his Baby video... From there it's not hard to fathom we're never gonna agree of course. It's a conflict of interest.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 the only conflict is that i dont care for crue. and nothing is wrong with that. you and i dig alot of the same tunes.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe Very well. I just replied to you the minute I saw you "campaigning" against this sound. You may have your opinion, you may have any opinion and voice it. But of course I also have the right to mine. And so I choose to reason.
Point being you can't categorize like that, and rule out a whole aspect of the genre. Every band is different, and has different songs. When you go gay this and that, as if it were to be a fact, and ignore all artistry, it is gonna make you look questionable.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 I take back what I said of the genre as a whole. I still wont be able to appreciate certain bands, like Poison for instance. I've heard a lot of their music and I really can't justify it.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe Fair enough. The issue is that Poison is not a Metal band. They get tagged on image. Musically they're just Rock 'n' Roll. Party music, which is what they're good for though. They have a lot in common with the 50's sound.
The crap starts when they're the first band to be mentioned for any association with Glam Metal, which is Heavy Metal music. It regards marketeers going against Rock and Metal, messing with the definitions to sell their own crap. The doing of a corrupt business.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 I've started to understand more about glam after talking to you about this. I honestly must apologize for being so adamant. Even if I dont care for some of them. you were correct in saying you can't bad mouth the entire genre.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe Accepted. Media manipulation is used to deceive and play people out against each other, to promote sham products. It's a fraudulent campaign to shut out actual musicality in Rock and Metal music, and playing out fanbases against each other. And not only these genres, any substance. Just because their target is selling JB for instance. 90% of the people saying that stuff you can't reason with, because they're paid to write it. That's when I refute. It's business as usual.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 I understand that. Hey man what do you think of the album Last in Line? I'm really starting to dig into Dio.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe Well, what can I say? It's a classic Metal album, and an all time favorite of mine. Great stuff there. Good for you getting into Dio. That's what true Metal is about. Keep it up. =)
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 I actually would say i enjoy that album as much as Holy Diver or Heaven and Hell. Rainbow Rising is pretty great too. Although blackmore is one of my all time fave players, I prefere the nice crunch of a metal player like Campbel or Iommi with Dio's voice.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe FYI: Crue was one of the revolutionary bands at the start of Heavy Metal in terms of speed and playing. Live Wire from 1981 being an example.
And Mustaine should just shut up. Megadeth has more structures in common with what you're attempting to go against. He's merely hyping up himself, as said previously on here.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 crue weren't fast at all in comparison to bands like Maiden and Priest who were doing that alot eariler. and nothing about their playing was special. mars is one of the worst guitarists of his genre in all honesty.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO YOU IS THAT YOU'RE A CORPORATE SLUT. The term Hair Metal alone was manufactured by MTV in the 1990's to sell their new formats. Namely Rap, read Hip Pop and so on. An order placed by the scam industry. The purpose is taking Metal's ability to have generally accepted good songs known as popular appeaI. It's about selling the crap you hear on the radio and see on the fraud charts.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 nothing about my taste in music is corporate. i dont listen to the radio. i do it through word of mouth. i dont care for a certain genre of music. nothing is wrong with that.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe You can pose as whatever you want. Mind if I don't take your word for it? The common thing to do is pose as an outcast, to attack the genre's Pop appeal, and cause trouble between Metal fans. Meanwhile you're getting caught selling Bieber, and it all makes sense. I like Glam, I like Thrash, I like all that shit. No matter all the BS you try to write on here, it's all Metal, and it will always be Metal.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@Executioner55551 I havent gotten caught selling anything. i dont know wtf you're talkin about friend. I dont really understand internet slang I guess. You're reading into all of this way too far. I said i didnt care for a genre that doesnt make me a troll. i'm not attempting to turn anyone against anyone. Thats just silly.
codebabe 1 year ago
to me this isnt really glam, it's true metal. along the lines of Priest or Maiden. their look was glam but musically i dont think this kind of tune is glam. compare this to poison or crue and its not the same at all.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe What we need to get straight is that Glam merely stands for Pop appeal here. It's all Heavy Metal. There's a huge difference between Crue and Poison in sound as well. You can't just box all these bands as sounding the same, like the industry tried to do when they stopped promoting Rock and Metal music. Poison's songs like Talk Dirty To Me are not Metal, but Crue's stuff like Kickstart My Heart is. Huge difference there.
PresidentDirector 1 year ago
@PresidentDirector That is true, but Crue still had boppy songs like girls girls girls. stuff you just wouldn't hear on a motorhead or maiden album. to me its very poppy. i get your point though.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe Crue’s Girls Girls Girls is a Metal strip club joint. Each band has their own style. Some stuff may not appeal to you, lyrically or whatever, but what makes you think you have the right to badmouth it? It’s good stuff in its own right.
Now if you truly wanted to make yourself useful you’d be going against that crap sold for music, and promoted by payola on the charts and radio. This makes you look suspicious. Most likely a corporate employee selling the BEP, and all that crap here.
TheMobRules2010 1 year ago
@TheMobRules2010 Musically, they didn't do anything new. They just wrote songs they knew would sell about partying and getting laid. Its kind of funny how youre talking about selling out when making money and getting pussy is all they were ever about. If your musicianship can back it up thats fine, but no one in Crue is that skilled on their instrument and Neil's voice isn't anything to get excited over. They deserve no more credit than any pop artist who can write catchy tunes.
codebabe 1 year ago
I wish pantera would reissue their first 4 albums. Thumbs up if you agree.
clem070605 1 year ago 75
@clem070605 yeah that'd be cool. not so much Metal Magic and Projects in The Jungle, but I'm really liking I Am The Night and Power Metal
MegaMcClarey 1 year ago
@clem070605 Yeah, good luck finding them for cheap now, must have re-issue!
raistlinmajere100 1 year ago
Motley crue, poison, metallica. iron maiden, dokken. anthrax, pantera, etc, they are heavy metal, just different kind, some are glam, nwobhm or thrash, which are subgenre of the heavy metal.
jn666k 1 year ago
@jn666k metallica kinda went hard rock, those sell-outs -.-
reidotrance 1 year ago
Pantera always played the boundaries between Glam and Thrash. They were it all. What they really were is just Heavy Metal, right down to the pure original definition of the genre.
PresidentDirector 1 year ago 8
@PresidentDirector The pure original definition of the genre is Doom Metal, like Black Sabbath. The mix of blues, hard rock and a dark atmosphere. Pantera was pure Heavy Metal, yeah. As were many bands that had the glam label thrown on them, like early Motley Crue, or Bach-Skid Row, or W.A.S.P. But not the "pure original definition of the genre".
ThazuaBlackarrow 1 year ago
@ThazuaBlackarrow I look at it like this: Black Sabbath may be the band who started Heavy Metal, but the doom part was just their own identity as a band. A band like Priest differs there. So the understanding of the Heavy Metal genre was never Doom Metal, as the Heavy Metal part is about the heaviness, and not the band identity.
PresidentDirector 1 year ago
@PresidentDirector now on this i totally agree with you....well put.
codebabe 1 year ago
@PresidentDirector Pantera was as metal as metal gets ;)
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe If you're a poser.... This band was never original. This sounds like a metallica rip off. And in their later years they ripped off Exhorder...
Sjamsucks 1 year ago
@Sjamsucks i'm not getting into another fight. i will keep my mouth shut. because your comment is bogus. take care. i've listened to a ton of metallica and a fair share of exhorder. i dont agree with you.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe I definitely agree with you on that. Pantera doesnt sound like Metallica at all, they're wayy better and alot more metal. This blows their shit outta the water
shredgnartasticable 1 year ago
@shredgnartasticable ahhh....i didn't mean it like that.lol and i wouldn't call pantera more metal necessarily. I personally am a much bigger pantera fan than metallica fan, but I appreciate metallica's ability to compose exotic lengthier tunes with interesting time changes. And Justice for All and One are pretty amazing. With that said, Pantera are heavier and imo, a bit more ahead of their time. though thats hard to say for sure
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe yeahh thats really true, its kinda hard to compare them, they're both pretty different sounds. And Justice for All is definitelly a good album.
shredgnartasticable 1 year ago
@Sjamsucks yeah.. they sounds soo like metallica?? wtf man are you hihg. i dont hear it at all.
cephestus 1 year ago
@cephestus sounds Metallica? What an insult to Pantera. I personally prefer Pantera's power metal years to their thrash era.
filofeigondo 1 year ago
@filofeigondo oh i was saying that they dont sound like it. some otehr guy was saying that and i was telling him how i dont hear that at all. and yes you are right
cephestus 1 year ago
@cephestus I know that you were just defending artistic superiority of Pantera. I agree. They sound nothing like Metallica.
filofeigondo 1 year ago
@filofeigondo Pantera werent ever thrash. think you mean groove.
codebabe 1 year ago
It's a stupid biased statement. Metal is about the speed and the heaviness. This brings it... in quality.
For the rest of it; Crue has Metal stuff too, Poison with "Talk Dirty To Me" etcetera is just Rock 'n' Roll, so that's not Metal. Other stuff may vary again. Glam Metal music, as the term reads is most definitely part of the Metal genre. Those who disagree have either no understanding of the Metal genre, or are more commonly biased in favor of selling their own lousy products.
TheMobRules2010 1 year ago
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People that hate somebody cuz they don't like this or like that is fuckin stupid as hell. Who gives a shit. I like all kinds of shit...pantera just happens to be my fav.
cholderness1 1 year ago
People that hate somebody cuz they don't like this or like that is fuckin stupid as hell. Who gives a shit. I like all kinds of shit...pantera just happens to be my fav.
cholderness1 1 year ago
Limitation to shouting and repeating chords is not more Metal than bringing an impressive falsetto over a guitar rocking out. Quality stuff here. The aggression and the power - best of both worlds.
TheLegendaryDon 1 year ago
hard to believe thats phil lol
drugula89 1 year ago
We all rock... ROCK THE WORLD!!!
1000% Pantera Glam!!!
MagnificentIron 1 year ago
Why would Phil abandoned all this high pitch vocals? I mean I love Cowboys and Power vocals but then on Driven he was all cookie monster all the time. Except for the black sabbath cover.
panzersix 1 year ago
I think this would've made a great Queensryche song. Geoff Tate could've pulled this off. This is a great track, Pantera is kick ass band and this shows a kick ass side of them.
DClark1986 1 year ago
Anselmo sounds like rob halford :D
richis404 1 year ago
I think what we have to keep in mind is that the difference lays more in different approach than heaviness here. I like anger and aggression, but it doesn't have to interfere with musical quality. It can be good. This is the best of both worlds.
The reason Phil's vocal declined on record would be that he had vocal issues, couldn't really hit these notes anymore after CFH. There were the necessary issues between the band members about it as well. The record company marketed that for heaviness.
TheMobRules2010 1 year ago
i dnt actualy think dey changed that much between power metal and cowboys from hell. if u listen den ull find that every album is that much heavier dan de one b4 it.
999painkiller666 1 year ago
Maybe Anselmo got raped or something and he got more angry and nazi and bitter. Hate and anger have ruined so many musical careers.
Let it be hate towards critics or rival bands or anything, you never should go that path. Just do your own thing you love and do not let hate guide your songwriting.
ZZombyWooff 1 year ago
you illiterate shmucks under 25 elitist know-it-alls make me embarassed to express my love for the genre this music qualifies as...shut the fuck up...all of you
Kull405 1 year ago
The vocal differences here are that Phil actually delivers an impressive falsetto vocal to the mix. Hearing this has many people surprised as they would never know Phil could actually sing, when only having heard the later 90's stuff.
Vocal skills have always been a part of Heavy Metal. It's not just about shouting. If you wanna sell it for that shit you're the poser. It's the best of both worlds, which makes it good music. The loudness, the aggression, AND the POWER.
TheMobRules2010 1 year ago
@taronid You wanna call actual vocal skill gay? You wanna call singing gay? You wanna disown Priest and Maiden you fucking poser? I fucking hit you in the face. Get lost, you're evidently not a Metal fan. You're the homo with that aids cock up your ass. Have fun blowing dicks, but Bieber is rejected.
NRG10005659 1 year ago 2
this sounds 80's!!!!!
MeYouView 1 year ago
@taronid yeah because if its not deep and rough then its gay yeah sure, fuckin idiot
joshmattg 1 year ago
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pantera were awesome man dime was a god with that guitar.
TheZomb23 1 year ago
pantera were awesome man dime was a god with that guitar.
TheZomb23 1 year ago
awesome pantera rocked dime was a god!!
TheZomb23 1 year ago
GODDAMNIT THey sound a lot like Judas Priest!
DrSabbathTheWizzard 1 year ago
@DrSabbathTheWizzard 100% agree!!!
AceFrehley29 1 year ago
@AceFrehley29 Till Cowboys from hell Phil used to have this kind of vocals.Then after it ,he completely ruined them.
DrSabbathTheWizzard 1 year ago
im a musician a good one at that and i cringe at record companies and the business its not for everyone. its a dirty game that doesnt follow morals and the social norms.
Guitarstring187 1 year ago
They got picked up, and had to dance to the rules of the record company.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago
Even Pantera was embarrassed of there stuff in the 80's , so much so that they never played it again live after CFH came out. so you can suck it.
davidlm6974 1 year ago
@davidlm6974 Only because they hit the big time with Cowboys and on. I was there. The record company made sure they didn't play any of their older material. They were told to disown it because it didn't fit in with the image they had in mind for them. It's the dirty business for you.
HittmanForHire 1 year ago
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This is awful, it sounds like every other gay metal band in the 80's. Pantera in the 90's is the true Pantera that had there own sound. This shit sounds like Queensryche or shitty Judas Priest.
davidlm6974 1 year ago
@davidlm6974 Yeah, I get it. You're not a Metal fan. Dissing on Priest and Queensryche is not done pal. Priest is one of the biggest influences of Phil and Pantera. They're one of the genre's pioneers. If you're gonna pose, at least learn your facts Hip Pop homo. 90's bands sound alike as well. This is the Pantera sound done to perfection in classic Metal glory.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago
@Valhalla900001 *applause* \m/
IceReverie 1 year ago
@davidlm6974 LOSE IT FUCKING QUEER. NOBODY DISSES ON THE METAL GODS.
Executioner55551 1 year ago
@davidlm6974 Actually this IS the true and original Pantera right here. It was the record company that had a saying, if they didn't give in there wasn't a deal. Cowboys and shit is alright, but that stuff isn't anymore real than what went before on their own.
HittmanForHire 1 year ago
I didn't know Halford sang for Pantera :P
maltesefalcon 1 year ago
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Wow, I am so glad Pantera moved on to groove metal. Phil Anselmo in lace is just pure tragedy.
GHReaper1996 1 year ago
@GHReaper1996 He doesn't wear fucking lace bitch. Show some respect or die.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago 3
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@Valhalla900001 I was talking about Phil in the 80's Pantera, retard. I love Pantera. Phil Anselmo is one of my favorite singers. God, what is it with you fucking idiots. You people make me sick to my fucking stomach.
GHReaper1996 1 year ago
@GHReaper1996 I got that poser pussy. This is Heavy fucking Metal and it rules. Hip Pop is rejected. Go cry to your boss about it.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago 3
@Valhalla900001 Wow, you are such an idiot. I fucking hate hip hop and pop. I love heavy metal and Pantera, I just love their later work more. You are simply just an idiot are you.
GHReaper1996 1 year ago
@GHReaper1996 And you're simply a poser, aren't you? Fun huh? Real Metal fans don't diss this. You'd respect and rock out to your shit. But no. You're on here bitching about a good and popular form of Heavy Metal with you corporate scam talk. You're nothing but a fucking homo on a poser profile. Claim to like Heavy Metal while fucking Ludacris in the butt.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago
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@Valhalla900001 it's their early work I don't like btw
GHReaper1996 1 year ago
this is a good begining for a band
SuperJULIAN666 1 year ago
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Thank god Pantera evolved into what they did because this is terrible. I'm feelin a little Fuckin Hostile.
davidlm6974 1 year ago
@davidlm6974 And meanwhile you're defending the Bieber kid... Go home pal. Here's to fucking hostility against you.
Valhalla900001 1 year ago 3
@Valhalla900001 Who the fuck is the bieber kid?
davidlm6974 1 year ago
pity phil doesnt sound like this anymore
heavymetalleprechaun 1 year ago
this is metal and any bitch say otherwise is obsolete...
TauruVikingur 1 year ago 2
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now i noe why ppl say they r posers....but whatevs i still liek them
j0ey96 1 year ago
@j0ey96 REAL METAL FANS LISTEN TO GLAM AND THRASH. We are one against the abuse of music. You're the poser if you diss.
HeavyMetalsAdvocate 1 year ago 48
@HeavyMetalsAdvocate you're completley right...a true metal fan should listening all genre of metal
HardRocker2694 1 year ago 4
@HeavyMetalsAdvocate REAL METAL IS FOR GUYS THAT, UM, MAKE FISTS...AND, ER, YELL, AND ...FUCK, I DUNNO, SPIT BLOOD OR SHIT...
Kull405 1 year ago
@HeavyMetalsAdvocate Glam is NOT metal!!!!!!!
chompykitty 1 year ago
@chompykitty You're not Metal little bitch. Lousy cries won't grow Bieber's pussy a penis.
5552410 1 year ago
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@5552410 fuck you u dont even no me you little bitch go suck biebers dick faggot
chompykitty 1 year ago
@chompykitty i agree with you, i don't like motley crue or poison, but I don't consider "glam" pantera to be a glam band. They were simply a thrash band that dressed glam.
clem070605 1 year ago
@HeavyMetalsAdvocate without glam thrash would have never been born
CrushedJustice 1 year ago
@CrushedJustice thrash had nothing to do with glam. no influence from it whatsoever.
codebabe 1 year ago
@codebabe your stupid get your facts straight. Glam help build up thrash because the people who hated the glam scene stuff became thrash metal. its kind of hard to explain in one comment but if you watch the metal documentaries and stuff you will know
CrushedJustice 1 year ago
@CrushedJustice thrash would have been created with or without the arrival of the glam scene. that is obvious man. i'm not stupid. and my facts are straight. yes, thrash bands didn't like the glam scene, but it wasnt strictly a backlash against it. it was the influence from bands like Iron Maiden and Motorhead that made them want to take that notch of heaviness and speed a couple steps further and take the british sounds and Americanize it.
codebabe 1 year ago