This is what happens when you learn to fly in a high performance aircraft like the cirrus. Stick to the good ole Cessna's while you're learning. She'll treat you right and teach you everything you need to know. I would never attempt to learn to fly in a Cirrus until I had mastered a more tame aircraft first.
It would probably help to start the pullback a bit sooner. It seemed as though you wanted your nose pointed to the ground for as long as possible! But don't ever worry about having an engine out in a Cirrus... CAPS is always an option, unless your under 400 feet above the ground. Than you don't have many options. But, thank you for sharing your opinion. Videos like these really help us student pilots.
Nice landing. After touching on mains, hold the back pressure, don't relax the controls, let the nose wheel touch slowly. I did the same thing once :(
Thank you for sharing. Must be first solo cross country my landing was a disaster as well came in way too fast panicked hit nosewheel first porpoised down runway didn't go around. Thank God nosewheel held I have no idea how. Didn't see any prop damage so went back to my home airport and just when I decided no more flying ever I grease my home airport landing. Was worried about firewall told my instructor no damage found. C172s are tough!!
Been there "almost" done that in my SR20 during my low hours. The SR20 demands a little respect during round out and flare. My takeaway points are:
1. Nail your airspeed 2. Keep your toes LOW on the rudder pedals particularly in crosswinds where you have appreciable rudder pressure applied. The brakes are sensitive and you'll land with a wheel locked if you press on the rudders more than half-way up the pedals. 3. Sight picture will look "flat" even when it's not. 4. Keep the nose up!
it looks like the airplane began porpoising (condition in which the airplane bounces back and forth between the main gear and nose wheel and main gear ..) as you touched down. You recognized it immediately and applied the right technique to handle it. In my opinion, you displayed excellent airmanship handling your landing mistake. if the corrective action is delayed... here is a video where the pilot did NOT make the right choice: search "Piper Warrior Crash Landing At Bethlehem Aerodrome"
Thanks for sharing the experience, I have my ppl and I know how easy stuff can go wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of here, this is what real learning is all about. Who knows, someone that watches this video and has a propstrike in the furure may make a life saving decision based on what they've learned from this. Thanks bro!
Ouch! I did just the opposite on my first flight in a cirrus. I was told by the tower that i almost had a tail strike on landing. We where coming off the approuch , and i gave to much back pressure and we stalled out about 50 ft. above the runway and luckily I was able to land correctly, but scaring my instructor and passenger! Even though that was probably the roughest flight i ever had, that one was my favorite because my instructor just let me do everything. :)
WOW! I did not realize there was a prop strike either! But the choice to throttle up and keep going was a bad one. Not yer fault, but the CFI's. You should have stayed put! Good learning tool/video!
That was a ripper of a bounce! No doubt, it would have gotten the ol heart pumping a bit! :-P Well recovered and I hope this incident didn't get you down for too long!
it seems like it was quite windy that day and honestly your instructor shouldn't have even let you go that day, he should have waited a little while. but great job tho! hope you continue on to your commercial!
Been there in an SR22. Still won't go back to that airport. Won't mention which one as it gives me away! Best thing to do man is learn from it and move on.
That is a serious airplane to be flying so early in you're training. I would stick with Cessna 172s until you get some real time under your belt. I understand why you would want to fly the SR20, but you have demonstrated how unforgiving airplanes like this can be. Thanks so much for posting! Best of luck with your future flying.
was that a good decision to go around after the prop stroke the ground? arent you worried about not getting airborne? obviously i wasnt there but even if you went out the side of runway, it seemed like grass, i'd prefer that to having the engine quit or prop fall off mid-air.
@CirrusSR20Pilot After a bounce the best thing for a student pilot to do is go around immediately do not try to re-land the airplane. Great recovery and great learning experience
My instructor went through BAD LANDING RECOVERY before my first SOLO! You DEFINITELY had enough time to get back to the centerline and re-land the airplane if you wanted. Go-Around is always the safest bet, however. You did fine!
My instructor went through BAD LANDING RECOVERY before my first SOLO! You DEFINITELY had enough time to get back to the centerline and re-land the airplane if you wanted. Go-Around is always the safest bet, however. You did fine!
@UberPence my advice to you is to find a new instructor there is so such thing as "bad landing recovery" thats the dumbest thing i ever herd ...you NEVER try to salvage a bad landing/approach ..... you go around ....
@xXGETR0CKEDxX if I'm choosing between taking a damaged airplane around the pattern or landing again on the remaining runway, I'll choose the remaining runway. Worst cases: Crash from 10 feet up and I walk away; or go around, crash from higher and someone else carts me away. Sometimes you're committed and you thank the instructor that taught you how to make the best of a bad situation.
remember aviate, navigate and communicate. no need to let tower know your going around until you got that bird fully under control. although that was a quick reaction and good recovery
yeah the other day I was at the airport I train at, and a champ from a grass strip a few miles away came in, and it was the 2 instructors from over there, wanting to do hard field landings in the new training plane. So they were doing takeoff and landings, and next thing you know, they ground loop in and put it 100 feet in the pucker brush. 2 INSTRUCTORS!! Thats sooo embarasing. Guess who had to go digging through 6 foot tall prickers?
Thanks for sharing your experience. Nothing to be ashamed of. You are still learning... Your video will help my students to believe me now. I keep telling my students not to land flat like you did, because this is how you can get a prop strike in the Cirrus. They also don´t believe me that you need right foot on a go a round. Your video clearly shows the P factor deviating you to the left. If you were in a SR22 things could have got very ugly with loss of control on the go around.
@fabioflies Thanks for the kind words. I am glad you can use this video to help show your students what can happen...That was my intent on posting! As students, we simply don't realize how "easy" it is to do this until it happens. Hopefully my mistake will help other students avoid this same fate.
Let me know if you are a COPA member - i've been hosting Landing Clinics for the last 8 weeks due to the crashes we've had along the eastern seaboard. I don't want you in that same bunch.
@fholbert I agree with you completely if one actually is holding the camera. However, for my videos I use a small Kodak Playsport camera that is attached to a camera mount. I turn it on at engine start up and then literally forget about it. I also have a digital recorder attached to the headphone jack to record radio transmissions. This allows a review of the flight and all communication with ATC, and is very helpful as a learning tool.
@fholbert Connie Sue White (Managing Editor of Flying Magazine) comment on page 20 of Flying (Sept 2010 issue) regarding the Contour HD A/V-ator camera, "It's great for flight review, especially if you are in training - I watch my videos after each of my Sport Pilot lessons and it's amazing how much it helps me retain the instructor's input."
@fholbert Being a student pilot myself i partially agree to this. unless you have A LOT of experience in video work (meaning you can set it and forget it) so far i have shot one video although the cameras need to be checked every once in a while its not that big of a deal.
@fholbert what are you thinking of like the 1970's 8mm film? in todays technology we have such things like go pro attached to fixed objects that require no tending or effort from the photographer to require any attention such as your post suggests.... and im gonna guess if this kid is flying a plane, he can afford a 250 dollar video camera
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This is what happens when you learn to fly in a high performance aircraft like the cirrus. Stick to the good ole Cessna's while you're learning. She'll treat you right and teach you everything you need to know. I would never attempt to learn to fly in a Cirrus until I had mastered a more tame aircraft first.
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It would probably help to start the pullback a bit sooner. It seemed as though you wanted your nose pointed to the ground for as long as possible! But don't ever worry about having an engine out in a Cirrus... CAPS is always an option, unless your under 400 feet above the ground. Than you don't have many options. But, thank you for sharing your opinion. Videos like these really help us student pilots.
drewbdoo225 2 days ago
Nice landing. After touching on mains, hold the back pressure, don't relax the controls, let the nose wheel touch slowly. I did the same thing once :(
shivrajvishnu 2 weeks ago
Thank you for sharing. Must be first solo cross country my landing was a disaster as well came in way too fast panicked hit nosewheel first porpoised down runway didn't go around. Thank God nosewheel held I have no idea how. Didn't see any prop damage so went back to my home airport and just when I decided no more flying ever I grease my home airport landing. Was worried about firewall told my instructor no damage found. C172s are tough!!
ohio5770 1 month ago
Holy crap! this video is unbelievable, thank God everything was ok
julionica 1 month ago
getting PPL in a cirrus??
hawker445 3 months ago
YES! You need a firm right foot on go-around...even more than takeoff it seems.
Been there done that. :-)
w5cdt 3 months ago
Been there "almost" done that in my SR20 during my low hours. The SR20 demands a little respect during round out and flare. My takeaway points are:
1. Nail your airspeed 2. Keep your toes LOW on the rudder pedals particularly in crosswinds where you have appreciable rudder pressure applied. The brakes are sensitive and you'll land with a wheel locked if you press on the rudders more than half-way up the pedals. 3. Sight picture will look "flat" even when it's not. 4. Keep the nose up!
w5cdt 3 months ago
nice save. thanks for posting! These are very educational and there's no shame in it. shit happens!
osumbuckeyenut 3 months ago
Pointless go around
C172Pilotdude 3 months ago
it looks like the airplane began porpoising (condition in which the airplane bounces back and forth between the main gear and nose wheel and main gear ..) as you touched down. You recognized it immediately and applied the right technique to handle it. In my opinion, you displayed excellent airmanship handling your landing mistake. if the corrective action is delayed... here is a video where the pilot did NOT make the right choice: search "Piper Warrior Crash Landing At Bethlehem Aerodrome"
dkeberhard 4 months ago
I still think a cirrus is too much airplane for a student pilot...
IIAv8tionII 4 months ago
There goes $30K!
pathyskeeter 4 months ago
Thanks for sharing the experience, I have my ppl and I know how easy stuff can go wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of here, this is what real learning is all about. Who knows, someone that watches this video and has a propstrike in the furure may make a life saving decision based on what they've learned from this. Thanks bro!
DeathpantsX 4 months ago
You are so very lucky that there was not enough of an imbalance to shake your engine right off...
OrganoAeternam 4 months ago
THANK you for posting. we all learn by each others' mistakes.
ChrisRolando 4 months ago
Ouch! I did just the opposite on my first flight in a cirrus. I was told by the tower that i almost had a tail strike on landing. We where coming off the approuch , and i gave to much back pressure and we stalled out about 50 ft. above the runway and luckily I was able to land correctly, but scaring my instructor and passenger! Even though that was probably the roughest flight i ever had, that one was my favorite because my instructor just let me do everything. :)
S9297AircraftReviews 4 months ago
WOW! I did not realize there was a prop strike either! But the choice to throttle up and keep going was a bad one. Not yer fault, but the CFI's. You should have stayed put! Good learning tool/video!
TIMOTHYBROCKWELL 4 months ago
1:00. There saved you a minute to get to it.
AirForcedude5 4 months ago
Wow; my stomach dropped when I heard you throttle it back up. Nice vid; interesting situation to reflect on. Nice to learn from; good upload.
PawnBACM 4 months ago
That was a ripper of a bounce! No doubt, it would have gotten the ol heart pumping a bit! :-P Well recovered and I hope this incident didn't get you down for too long!
wadesta1986 4 months ago
wow when you decided to go around you could have landed twice more in that long of a runway. your main priority is to get to the ground safely.
pachodomi 4 months ago
it seems like it was quite windy that day and honestly your instructor shouldn't have even let you go that day, he should have waited a little while. but great job tho! hope you continue on to your commercial!
PHSYCOPATH92 6 months ago
Brave move posting this video, and thanks. Now if you are looking to get rid of that plane I'm sure I can help out...
solmanic42 7 months ago
THAT SUCKS!!!! as a student pilot.. ouch
DiamondPilotDan 8 months ago
almost had a prop strike yesterday. thank god for my CFI
airplanepilot22 9 months ago
I understand your pain. I was also on my solo cross country yesterday and had a prop strike. Very humbling experience
abrahamim 9 months ago
Been there in an SR22. Still won't go back to that airport. Won't mention which one as it gives me away! Best thing to do man is learn from it and move on.
fritogranito 10 months ago
That is a serious airplane to be flying so early in you're training. I would stick with Cessna 172s until you get some real time under your belt. I understand why you would want to fly the SR20, but you have demonstrated how unforgiving airplanes like this can be. Thanks so much for posting! Best of luck with your future flying.
mikeb172sp 1 year ago
was that a good decision to go around after the prop stroke the ground? arent you worried about not getting airborne? obviously i wasnt there but even if you went out the side of runway, it seemed like grass, i'd prefer that to having the engine quit or prop fall off mid-air.
skysnet 1 year ago
@skysnet I didn't know the prop struck until after landing....but you're right, it could have been ugly!
CirrusSR20Pilot 1 year ago
@CirrusSR20Pilot After a bounce the best thing for a student pilot to do is go around immediately do not try to re-land the airplane. Great recovery and great learning experience
scottloid 9 months ago
Shit happens. It's all good.
Transam941 1 year ago
At least you made the quick, correct decision to abort the landing. Some would have tried to feather it in and collapsed the gear.
SlamDuncDrummer 1 year ago
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My instructor went through BAD LANDING RECOVERY before my first SOLO! You DEFINITELY had enough time to get back to the centerline and re-land the airplane if you wanted. Go-Around is always the safest bet, however. You did fine!
UberPence 1 year ago
My instructor went through BAD LANDING RECOVERY before my first SOLO! You DEFINITELY had enough time to get back to the centerline and re-land the airplane if you wanted. Go-Around is always the safest bet, however. You did fine!
UberPence 1 year ago
@UberPence my advice to you is to find a new instructor there is so such thing as "bad landing recovery" thats the dumbest thing i ever herd ...you NEVER try to salvage a bad landing/approach ..... you go around ....
xXGETR0CKEDxX 1 year ago
@xXGETR0CKEDxX if I'm choosing between taking a damaged airplane around the pattern or landing again on the remaining runway, I'll choose the remaining runway. Worst cases: Crash from 10 feet up and I walk away; or go around, crash from higher and someone else carts me away. Sometimes you're committed and you thank the instructor that taught you how to make the best of a bad situation.
iwarner 10 months ago
Been there. I had the same thing happen to me during my solo cross country. Keep your chin up, I still managed to finish my private in 50 hours.
afhenley 1 year ago 12
@afhenley same thing happened to me ALMOST i didnt strike it but i was so close too
Logo3801 10 months ago
remember aviate, navigate and communicate. no need to let tower know your going around until you got that bird fully under control. although that was a quick reaction and good recovery
sk8rguy178 1 year ago
great recovery my fellow pilot, it could've ended much worse
sk8rguy178 1 year ago
yeah the other day I was at the airport I train at, and a champ from a grass strip a few miles away came in, and it was the 2 instructors from over there, wanting to do hard field landings in the new training plane. So they were doing takeoff and landings, and next thing you know, they ground loop in and put it 100 feet in the pucker brush. 2 INSTRUCTORS!! Thats sooo embarasing. Guess who had to go digging through 6 foot tall prickers?
novsierra 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. Nothing to be ashamed of. You are still learning... Your video will help my students to believe me now. I keep telling my students not to land flat like you did, because this is how you can get a prop strike in the Cirrus. They also don´t believe me that you need right foot on a go a round. Your video clearly shows the P factor deviating you to the left. If you were in a SR22 things could have got very ugly with loss of control on the go around.
fabioflies 1 year ago 8
@fabioflies Thanks for the kind words. I am glad you can use this video to help show your students what can happen...That was my intent on posting! As students, we simply don't realize how "easy" it is to do this until it happens. Hopefully my mistake will help other students avoid this same fate.
CirrusSR20Pilot 1 year ago 2
Paul,
Let me know if you are a COPA member - i've been hosting Landing Clinics for the last 8 weeks due to the crashes we've had along the eastern seaboard. I don't want you in that same bunch.
wolfala 1 year ago
Perhaps you should reconsider the Cirrus as a trainer. This kind of thing makes everyones insurance rates go up.
Nice job on the reovery but more right rudder next time. Looks like the torque was getting you...
kyqx 1 year ago
Thanks for the upload!
cjracer1000 1 year ago
Shooting video while flying is a distraction. A student pilot needs to fly the airplane and worry about nothing else.
fholbert 1 year ago
@fholbert I agree with you completely if one actually is holding the camera. However, for my videos I use a small Kodak Playsport camera that is attached to a camera mount. I turn it on at engine start up and then literally forget about it. I also have a digital recorder attached to the headphone jack to record radio transmissions. This allows a review of the flight and all communication with ATC, and is very helpful as a learning tool.
CirrusSR20Pilot 1 year ago
@CirrusSR20Pilot
Frank Holbert is giving you grief for doing something he himself does; putting a camera on a mount and videoing his flights and posting them.
160knots.com
He even does a bit of cinematography of aiming and even pointing the camera to himself and narrating.
ytcyv 1 year ago
@fholbert Connie Sue White (Managing Editor of Flying Magazine) comment on page 20 of Flying (Sept 2010 issue) regarding the Contour HD A/V-ator camera, "It's great for flight review, especially if you are in training - I watch my videos after each of my Sport Pilot lessons and it's amazing how much it helps me retain the instructor's input."
Guess I'm not the only one who thinks so!
CirrusSR20Pilot 1 year ago 7
@fholbert Being a student pilot myself i partially agree to this. unless you have A LOT of experience in video work (meaning you can set it and forget it) so far i have shot one video although the cameras need to be checked every once in a while its not that big of a deal.
rccrazy30 1 year ago
@fholbert what are you thinking of like the 1970's 8mm film? in todays technology we have such things like go pro attached to fixed objects that require no tending or effort from the photographer to require any attention such as your post suggests.... and im gonna guess if this kid is flying a plane, he can afford a 250 dollar video camera
atrain910 3 months ago
at least you went around, it happens, im a flight instructor and one of my students went off the runway the other day
delay256 1 year ago