I don't see why nintendo would put in yoshi even though he shouldn't even logically be able to compete against most of the other char. Then again this is a game where a reatarded cartoon monkey with a peanut gun is better than a great demon king of darkness whom is a cross between a dragon, a turtle and a dinosaur who uses dark magic. What I'm trying to say is... HOW THE HELL ARE CHAR LIKE YOSHI BETTER THAN BOWSER?! I'm talking normal brawl btw
@Chzrm3 How is yoshi badass in the least? Cute, maybe but badass? There's something really wrong with this picture... However, it is a matter of opinion, so all I can really say is that... you have REALLY bad taste, mate... But no matter how big of a yoshi fan you are, you have to admit he shouldn't be good in a fighting game. Logically, that is.
@scorpionXful Logically? He's a dinosaur. That alone means he can slaughter 90% of the roster no problem, if we're going to talk "logically". Considering it's a Nintendo game that we're talking about, and not a scientific thesis, I'd spend less time being hung up on how 'logical' Yoshi's existence is, and spend more time appreciating the badassery of a dinosaur in a tux kicking ass while Slim raps in the background.
@Chzrm3 Wow, you're more of an idiot than I thought... It's your opinion. Just because you think he's badass dose not make it a fact. The world doesn't revolve around your opinions; i'm sorry if this came as a shock to you. Also, you can apply "logic" to video games by looking at what their abilities are and comparing. Think about it, yoshi is about as powerful as a velociraptor, at best. Mario is a superhuman that can pick up a castle, and he's not even that powerful compared with the rest.
@Chzrm3 Cont; That and you saying that he could slaughter 90% of the cast because he's a DINOSAUR? Sure yoshi would slaughter normal humans, but yoshi would be no more trouble than a bug if he went against anyone else in brawl except for jiggz and diddy. Just because YOU like him doesn't make him powerful. Deal with it.
Opinion: you think that baby dinosaurs are badass... Fact: 90% of all humans are complete idiots; you're no exception. I'll be waiting for your reply... Good luck.
@scorpionXful When I said "he's a dinosaur" it was a tongue-in-cheek joke, poking fun at the fact that you were taking a character's existence in smash brothers extremely seriously.
Honestly, you getting bent out of shape over the fact that I find a video game character badass is really funny. You need to get laid and graduate high school, that'll put some perspective on your life and make you realize that there are things worth getting upset over, and this isn't one of them. : P
@Chzrm3 Oh, I just love it when someone runs out of ideas and changes the subject while arguing. I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you were the one taking this extremely seriously. Of course I know that there are more important things than games. The only thing that made my mad was your idiotic remark about yosh beating 90% of the cast. I simply couldn't get over how anybody could be dumb enough to think that. Also, I'd say YOUR the one getting bent out of shape.
P.S. Please come up with less cliche insults. I nearly fainted from the unoriginality of your remarks. And of course, everyone knows that putting smiley faces at the end of insults makes it all right. Right? :P
@scorpionXful What I'm saying is that, in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't really matter. Don't get me wrong, I love discussing video games, video game characters, etc... but I'd never start slinging personal insults at someone solely because they felt differently than I did about Yoshi's badass nature, haha.
That said, if it makes you feel better to insult me, then I'm fine with that. Lash out against me as much as you want, I really won't mind. : ) I still love Yoshi. ; D
@Chzrm3 "I'd never start slinging personal insults at somebody solely because they felt differently than I did..."
Dude, look at your 3rd comment... Don't get me wrong, I don't think that you liking yoshi is a bad thing, even if I can't understand how someone can think that a baby dinosaur is badass. And yay, more smiley faces... Oh, yes your second paragraph... Again, something a tad more original please. (: Like my smiley face?
@scorpionXful I said "solely". If you found my later comments insulting, it was because you had over-reacted to what I'd initially said and were being surprisingly crass/argumentative - therefore, I wasn't insulting you 'solely' because you felt differently than I did about Yoshi.
And yeah, I did like your smiley face! : D You should use then more often online, it takes the edge off.
Egg lay -> grab is cute. DJC is lulz and the reasoning behind nair is even more lulz. Make his uair not horrible and than you can nerf nair which has so much ending lag that with reduced knockback won't be a good combo finisher or a decent starter.
And give back vbrawl uair. The new one is so ridiculously worse than vbrawl uair. Why are moves getting nerfed worse than vbrawl version in b-? =/
lol a month late hopefully a lot of this stuff has been discarded by now.
Oh yeah, any chance his Infinite dair recovery will be fixed? Very easily he can rise indefinitely if A is mashed fast enough, and it becomes even easier if he cancels aerial Down-B with it.
@theyoshine Down B is jump cancelable in the air, so in the section that I spammed it, each of them was JC'd then repeated. So you could only hypothetically hover 3 times, and then you have no jumps left, which would be a bad idea.
I'm glad you are glad about the flower removal. A lot of people have been complaining to me about it, but the issue is that most people consider it to be weak or cosmetic. There's a reason no move in vB does the flower aside from the Lip's Stick.
@matttheshark The egg laying part is not jump cancelable, only grab cancelable. If I did make it jump cancelable, it would combo perfectly into a nair and, most likely, any aerial. But it doesn't work like it seems it should, so I decided to just fully remove the jump cancel.
kinda iffy about the djc too, in my experience with other brawl versions it's always been...weird feeling, switching between rising aerials and jump canceled aerials.
@matttheshark Oh, I'm iffy about the DJC too. I forced full JC just to see how it'd be (I wanted it on just one of the double jumps, but couldn't figure out how). At the very least, I'm going to try to implement the same DJC that Ness/Lucas have and see how that goes. In other words, if you're holding jump while doing an aerial, you don't DJC, but otherwise you do. It'd make Yoshi more "canon" and still give players the option to NOT lose their jump.
ehh, I still think he needs something more if he's going to be considered viable. The flower thing was a lot yeah, but you have to consider that even with that he was still a mid-tier at best. I just don't see this moveset being enough to contend with the big names in minus. I do realize this isn't final though so I'll hold out hope =)
Absolutely none of this is finalized. This was made to show some off some new ideas to a relatively stale character. Yoshi REALLY didn't have that many changes going on for him, so I went and made more.
An issue with the flower is the whole "poison damage" thing, which GREATLY increases damage output with an attack, especially considering his fair did so much damage already, and they stack. It made Yoshi a two-trick pony at heart: really only needed fair and egg toss.
Epic background music. :D
videogamecactus 2 months ago
I see DJC :D
SlayerZaxy 4 months ago
I don't see why nintendo would put in yoshi even though he shouldn't even logically be able to compete against most of the other char. Then again this is a game where a reatarded cartoon monkey with a peanut gun is better than a great demon king of darkness whom is a cross between a dragon, a turtle and a dinosaur who uses dark magic. What I'm trying to say is... HOW THE HELL ARE CHAR LIKE YOSHI BETTER THAN BOWSER?! I'm talking normal brawl btw
scorpionXful 6 months ago
@scorpionXful Yoshi's pretty badass, dude.
Chzrm3 5 months ago
@Chzrm3 How is yoshi badass in the least? Cute, maybe but badass? There's something really wrong with this picture... However, it is a matter of opinion, so all I can really say is that... you have REALLY bad taste, mate... But no matter how big of a yoshi fan you are, you have to admit he shouldn't be good in a fighting game. Logically, that is.
scorpionXful 5 months ago
@scorpionXful Logically? He's a dinosaur. That alone means he can slaughter 90% of the roster no problem, if we're going to talk "logically". Considering it's a Nintendo game that we're talking about, and not a scientific thesis, I'd spend less time being hung up on how 'logical' Yoshi's existence is, and spend more time appreciating the badassery of a dinosaur in a tux kicking ass while Slim raps in the background.
Chzrm3 5 months ago
@Chzrm3 Wow, you're more of an idiot than I thought... It's your opinion. Just because you think he's badass dose not make it a fact. The world doesn't revolve around your opinions; i'm sorry if this came as a shock to you. Also, you can apply "logic" to video games by looking at what their abilities are and comparing. Think about it, yoshi is about as powerful as a velociraptor, at best. Mario is a superhuman that can pick up a castle, and he's not even that powerful compared with the rest.
scorpionXful 5 months ago
@Chzrm3 Cont; That and you saying that he could slaughter 90% of the cast because he's a DINOSAUR? Sure yoshi would slaughter normal humans, but yoshi would be no more trouble than a bug if he went against anyone else in brawl except for jiggz and diddy. Just because YOU like him doesn't make him powerful. Deal with it.
Opinion: you think that baby dinosaurs are badass... Fact: 90% of all humans are complete idiots; you're no exception. I'll be waiting for your reply... Good luck.
scorpionXful 5 months ago
@scorpionXful When I said "he's a dinosaur" it was a tongue-in-cheek joke, poking fun at the fact that you were taking a character's existence in smash brothers extremely seriously.
Honestly, you getting bent out of shape over the fact that I find a video game character badass is really funny. You need to get laid and graduate high school, that'll put some perspective on your life and make you realize that there are things worth getting upset over, and this isn't one of them. : P
Chzrm3 5 months ago
@Chzrm3 Oh, I just love it when someone runs out of ideas and changes the subject while arguing. I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you were the one taking this extremely seriously. Of course I know that there are more important things than games. The only thing that made my mad was your idiotic remark about yosh beating 90% of the cast. I simply couldn't get over how anybody could be dumb enough to think that. Also, I'd say YOUR the one getting bent out of shape.
scorpionXful 5 months ago
@Chzrm3 Continued:
P.S. Please come up with less cliche insults. I nearly fainted from the unoriginality of your remarks. And of course, everyone knows that putting smiley faces at the end of insults makes it all right. Right? :P
scorpionXful 5 months ago
@scorpionXful What I'm saying is that, in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't really matter. Don't get me wrong, I love discussing video games, video game characters, etc... but I'd never start slinging personal insults at someone solely because they felt differently than I did about Yoshi's badass nature, haha.
That said, if it makes you feel better to insult me, then I'm fine with that. Lash out against me as much as you want, I really won't mind. : ) I still love Yoshi. ; D
Chzrm3 4 months ago
@Chzrm3 "I'd never start slinging personal insults at somebody solely because they felt differently than I did..."
Dude, look at your 3rd comment... Don't get me wrong, I don't think that you liking yoshi is a bad thing, even if I can't understand how someone can think that a baby dinosaur is badass. And yay, more smiley faces... Oh, yes your second paragraph... Again, something a tad more original please. (: Like my smiley face?
scorpionXful 4 months ago
@scorpionXful I said "solely". If you found my later comments insulting, it was because you had over-reacted to what I'd initially said and were being surprisingly crass/argumentative - therefore, I wasn't insulting you 'solely' because you felt differently than I did about Yoshi.
And yeah, I did like your smiley face! : D You should use then more often online, it takes the edge off.
Chzrm3 4 months ago
Egg lay -> grab is cute. DJC is lulz and the reasoning behind nair is even more lulz. Make his uair not horrible and than you can nerf nair which has so much ending lag that with reduced knockback won't be a good combo finisher or a decent starter.
And give back vbrawl uair. The new one is so ridiculously worse than vbrawl uair. Why are moves getting nerfed worse than vbrawl version in b-? =/
lol a month late hopefully a lot of this stuff has been discarded by now.
tehhadesblade 1 year ago
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tehhadesblade 1 year ago
Oh yeah, any chance his Infinite dair recovery will be fixed? Very easily he can rise indefinitely if A is mashed fast enough, and it becomes even easier if he cancels aerial Down-B with it.
KinkLink5 1 year ago
I think the down B might need some tweaking because if done right you could hover in the air forever and cheap you way out of a match
and I think the 3rd JC could be removed
other than that wonderful improvement
I main as B- yoshi and the update really adds to the meta game
the thing I'm really glad about is the flower removal
I cant wait for the download
theyoshine 1 year ago
@theyoshine Down B is jump cancelable in the air, so in the section that I spammed it, each of them was JC'd then repeated. So you could only hypothetically hover 3 times, and then you have no jumps left, which would be a bad idea.
I'm glad you are glad about the flower removal. A lot of people have been complaining to me about it, but the issue is that most people consider it to be weak or cosmetic. There's a reason no move in vB does the flower aside from the Lip's Stick.
XylessBrawl 1 year ago
@XylessBrawl
Okay thats good then,
cause I've seen psa that let you hover via glitch and
you literally can just sit there untill the end of the match and win by default
Great improvements
theyoshine 1 year ago
@XylessBrawl Not that im complaining or trying to be a troll, but dosen't jigglypuff's rest flower?
rccar78 1 year ago
if you were to jump cancel the egg lay into say, a nair, would the knockback still happen or would they go into the egg first?
matttheshark 1 year ago
@matttheshark The egg laying part is not jump cancelable, only grab cancelable. If I did make it jump cancelable, it would combo perfectly into a nair and, most likely, any aerial. But it doesn't work like it seems it should, so I decided to just fully remove the jump cancel.
XylessBrawl 1 year ago
@XylessBrawl "Would you be able to cancel an aerial egg lay into Nair?" would be the more logical question.
AirborneIsGolden 1 year ago
kinda iffy about the djc too, in my experience with other brawl versions it's always been...weird feeling, switching between rising aerials and jump canceled aerials.
matttheshark 1 year ago
@matttheshark Oh, I'm iffy about the DJC too. I forced full JC just to see how it'd be (I wanted it on just one of the double jumps, but couldn't figure out how). At the very least, I'm going to try to implement the same DJC that Ness/Lucas have and see how that goes. In other words, if you're holding jump while doing an aerial, you don't DJC, but otherwise you do. It'd make Yoshi more "canon" and still give players the option to NOT lose their jump.
XylessBrawl 1 year ago
ehh, I still think he needs something more if he's going to be considered viable. The flower thing was a lot yeah, but you have to consider that even with that he was still a mid-tier at best. I just don't see this moveset being enough to contend with the big names in minus. I do realize this isn't final though so I'll hold out hope =)
matttheshark 1 year ago
Absolutely none of this is finalized. This was made to show some off some new ideas to a relatively stale character. Yoshi REALLY didn't have that many changes going on for him, so I went and made more.
An issue with the flower is the whole "poison damage" thing, which GREATLY increases damage output with an attack, especially considering his fair did so much damage already, and they stack. It made Yoshi a two-trick pony at heart: really only needed fair and egg toss.
XylessBrawl 1 year ago
No flower D=
indignationmaster 1 year ago
But the flower is what made Yoshi my favorite...
Now it's gone.
hermit527 1 year ago