Michael Tsarion - Disciples of the Mysterium

[jordmcm]

awsome lecture

[daveeeed]

don't agree with mack3dg, reason why i'm not replying directly is because i hate the venom of people like that who will then respond negatively. only want to say that michael isn't talking bullshit. as someone who's studied philosophy in the liberal arts to a small degree, it's interesting to see someone talking about it existentialism with his own angle.

[crypto986]

I have to admit that he is very well read man. One can doubt his intentions but so can we doubt our own intentions for judging him. Just try to learn as much as it helps you and your community a become a better person and leave the rest for necessary cinics in the world!

[cuzintz]

uhhhhhh, you missed some of the shit you were describing...it's in your mouth hillbilly. Go have another beer, boink your sister, and head back to trailer.

[mack3dg]

this fucking guy gets pay to talk pure bull shit.

yea see things in my toilet after i take a crap, yes in deed i see big turds small turds and even medium size ones.

i will make videos about what i see in my shit inside the toilet bowl and what i think about it and how i can interpret it all, and see what's going to happen in the world in the future...

[KnowingDasEin]

@mack3dg Are you perhaps retarded?

[allthingsarelikethis]

@mack3dg This guy is full of great insights, stop listen and maybe do some research before making silly and ignorant comments that show just how little you think or have thought to this point in your existence.

[Boogiefish]

I will never forget the first time I heard Michael speak in 2006.

It blew my mind. Thank you and take care, Mtsar ;]

[Jesuisquejesuis]

I learn a lot from listening to Tsarion. Not saying I agree with every insight he has--everyone has their own window and path on this.--But he gets my brain moving and asking questions on its own. Some of you misinterpreted what he is trying to say about negative aspects of "global collectivist thought--though it may be warm, fuzzy and make you feel nice all over He's stressing the importance of preserving your own unique viewpoint. PS WHAT WAS IN THE PILL BOTTLE HE WAS SHAKING????

[Jesuisquejesuis]

I learn a lot from listening to Tsarion. Not saying I agree with every insight he has--everyone has their own window and path on this. But he gets my brain moving and asking questions on its own.  Some of you have really misinterpreted what he is trying to say about the negative aspects of "global collectivist thought," even if it is warm, fuzzy and makes you feel nice all over. He's stressing the importance of preserving your own unique viewpoint. PS I WONDER WHAT WAS IN HIS BILL BOTTLE???

[radweed2009]

This fella has a lot of interesting things to say, but basically he's an anti-intellectual whose being trembles and screams and throws civil tantrums out of his wildly exaggerated dread of 'the collective', which he beats over and over and over again. It's truly pathetic. A well-spoken Ayn Rand, obsessed with the delusion that a human being is an isolated monad, but not even brave enough to face even this. Such cowardice is the essence of occultism, libertarianism, etc..

[radweed2009]

@radweed2009

The collective is an aspect of who we are. If you acknowledge this aspect, you need not fear it, you need not build this occult edifice of 'ideas' to protect yourself from it, as if you ever could. It's only an aspect, but it is an aspect. Acknowledge it and embrace it along with the other aspects of yourself - THAT is the path.

[radweed2009]

@radweed2009

I take it back. This guy has very little that is interesting to say. Mostly he has a lot of shiny word play that he uses to preach to us that we must fear and dread each other, that we must repudiate each other. This is the brutal and vicious heart of society today, the basic Greed Is Good mantra that teaches us not to find our own strength, but to turn away from each other, forsaking an important dimension of who we are.

[lazyfreedom98]

I think Google and You Tube is a set up, because many of the image and video searches are unrelated. Not to mention many of the major figures in the "Truth" movement. But Mike is still interesting.

I hope the Free Market of Ideas Survives the 2012 Inception.

[peopledick]

An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was captured on film. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is currently parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).

I'm not selling anything...I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.

My BLOG contains the peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers" (use search words "Sam Zurick" & "BLOG"). THANKS!!

[gitsurfer27]

just finished watching isish origins of civilisation and its truly the most revealing thing on the alternative research subject ive ever seen! this man and men like him are crucial to mankind! we need to arm ourselves with knowledge and spread it with a huge sense of urgency! tell anyone who will listen, graffiti, blog, whatever gets the message across that we are ruled by a secret elite.

[gliptic1]

INTERESTING Wolfmoon21. I'm not ovely familiar with Bonaccis work but I came across a few videos which I resonated with. It surprised me to hear that he would call Mr. Tasarion a BAFFOON ? If he did make that statement then it's rather unfortunate as it undermines the integrity of his own work . Perhaps Bonacci needs to invest more time in mastery over his ego?

[TheWolfmoon21]

I cannot believe i heard Santos Bonacci call this man a buffoon and wrong in a recent interview....take note santos this is a spiritual man and not like your kind full of self ego

[recklesswit2891]

he is an alien

[tysonsflag]

... The upshot of this is that he must KNOW that his stories of alien DNA mixing and atlantis are simple but effective metaphors, describing the evolution of the ego inside the subconscious mind.

[TheJunglist1210]

@tysonsflag P.s I do not believe in atlantis(at least not the one Plato referred to in the Timeaus, which appears to be allegorical)I was merely making a point.Although I do believe that civilization is waaaay older than academia's official stance on it.

BTW fuck youtube and it's 500 characters,I see you had the same problem LOL.

[tysonsflag]

His talks are so much more useful when he makes it clear - like he does in during this - that this is HIS opinion. I enjoyed this interview, even though a lot of his talks i find to be contradictory, he has always the potential to be a good academic; he needs to learn to focus a little better though.

He talks about alien DNA mixing and atlantis, and yet he admits that he is influenced heavily by Joseph Campbell (who explained that all these stories are metaphor - not factually true or false)

[TheJunglist1210]

@tysonsflag You can be be influenced by someone without accepting everything they say as truth.I would go so far as to say if you agree with every single thing someone has said regardless of how brilliant they are then you are of no use to philosophy.So,simply by being influenced by Joseph Campbell does not mean that he "must KNOW that his stories of alien DNA mixing and atlantis are simple but effective metaphors, describing the evolution of the ego inside the subconscious mind.

[cuntsgab]

the m star dazzles us again.

[thucton]

@candorist i'd bet Tsarion could tell you some interesting stuff about alien dna mixing and atlantis too.

[extractormann]

According to Tsarion (around 1:21:37) Numina requires that you, (by your will and in a ritual fashion?) be on to death and

empty yourself into nothinness.

So in in your path of enlightment you need to be dead.

And thats the reason why Gore talking about carbon is so “cool” and fascinating to the inconscient minds of the masses.

That’s MichaEL for you.

[noogetful]

@extractormann The death he is addressing is the death of ONE's ego. A total loss of point of view so that you see all points of view.

I think he draws an analogy to Gore's "mumbo-jumbo" by replacing the idea of carbon(global warming-planet entropy) and death(of the ego- but as a group mind "up one fractal")

Just because he draws an analogy does not infer causation. I think he was just saying that Al Gore's speeches CAN be taken in this sociological context.

Good comment though.

[extractormann]

@noogetful I was wrong(dead wrong :), after seeing the vids again it was clear what he mean. Thks for your kind comment.

[screemzndigital]

@extractormann

It's too bad you have no idea what he was talking about when he referred to "being unto death". It is the same as the chemycal divorce; to be brought together with all that is true, you must first separate yourself from all that is false. "Unless the false is seen as false, truth will never be seen." You're thinking of external or carbon death; quite far away from what he was saying.

[extractormann]

@screemzndigital

This comment you talk about is an old comment of mine. I went to see again "Michael Tsarion - Disciples of the Mysterium part 3" and since then I change my mind about this "problem" .

Thank you for your comment,

Peace

[im10pplok]

You can't fake this.....this man is the real thing.

[rcacad]

I feel blessed to have visited the inner workings of some of the most holy works of a great mind. Once again, I humbly nod and smile toward the Tsar.

[rcacad]

@InTheLightBand Yes, the True Path IS the self...... I feel enlightned or somehow in a holy place, just being able to peer into this conversation. If sombody cannot make heads of tales of this conversation, they have some serious homework they could benifit from doing.

[sweJN]

He have Thor's hammer. looks like upside down cross =P

[alaric63]

This video is great!

I have watched it a dozen times and I learn new Things every time!

The depths of this fellow´s research, is in a word,

Formidable.

[rcacad]

@alaric63 I was thinking more along the lines of sacred

[TheWaterlily2012]

:)

[OmRamaTam]

Starts in philosophy. Progresses into mythology. Ends in psychology. Oh I get it. Its a cult of modern 'Nihilism'. Except we don't talk about 'Symbols' like Swastika; i.e.; The Nazi Party and Heidegger? We are 'Druids'? This is a lot of cultism and results in nothing but 'Gravitys Rainbow'. The result is the V2! This is Mystical Mish Mash! Interesting lots of stuff. Anyone can do this. It results in NOTHING! To much TALK!

[rcacad]

@OmRamaTam Im sure your guru or priest would agree.

[MrLeagueOJustice]

Boy this guy is good

[MichalPtacnik]

On the other hand there is an inherent Order behind and within us, a true self, a "divine spark." If you surrender your ego-self to this "true selfhood" it will help you defeat the toxic "higher self" complex of id and superego combined and then there will be harmony. This is, I believe what the original Christians called Jesus Christ, or the "spark of Jesus, seed of Jesus, divine spark in man," etc. If you just follow the HS, you will, in essence follow the sick part of you... to oblivion.

[MichalPtacnik]

Nietzsche ended up institutionalized. Jumping into the river of consciousness by oneself is destructive, and we all know it down deep. There is however something that can navigate us, not the higher self, that is just the superego and the id arrayed to block the animal instide, a true existence, a true being. Seek that, surrender to that, to God, in a very real way. And then you can do what Tsarion talks about and it will be healthly.

[plutoswrath]

@MichalPtacnik i think this comment is possibly best way thus far ive seen this phrased. that is if there isnt some hidden religion lying in wait. in my opinion using words like surrender and God bothers me keeps it separated rather than integrated within our individual will being existence. for each we could create some way of expressing this in our own unique way embrace it as US our own unique connection to this untamed force of the human spirit of nature by being IT wholly indeed most holy

[MichalPtacnik]

All that exists within the subconscious is holy? I don't think so. Most likely all that exists there is UNholy, because it is nothing but repressed impulses, no? That which is holy resides only beyond all consciousness AND subconsciousness. The superego and the id are both one, and both are the Devil.

[TheHeuristicIslander]

@MichalPtacnik I think youre basing youre idea too much in this false Idea of god. How can you say the subconscious is the the "Devil" when you arent aware of its essence? Saying that you may as well say we are all inherently bad, Evil, humans, and therefore is point in striving for ascension. the place Michael talks of is at peace with itself, in, and of itself, there is no good or bad here, hence it is holy (in the truest sense of the word)

[MichalPtacnik]

@TheHeuristicIslander There is a very fine line, which is the problem. Yes, the harmony with the subconscious, or rather, as I prefer it, no subconscious at all (as all was integrated) is the goal, regarding these matters. But one must see to it that he does not drown in the river Michael talks about, which is what happened to Nietzsche and others. One must find a "guide" and that is NOT his higher self, which is just the forces of subconscious combined, it would be... as being led by chaos.

[TheHeuristicIslander]

@MichalPtacnik Yes i understand you there .All this other new age mumbo jumbo out there which people often confuse as being synchronous to this work, they tell you to break down the ego, to lose it. but its been said, the ego is just an extension of your being, the problem is the CONTROL system as highlighted that creates this false construct for the ego to operate within. That is the true "Matrix" as projected onto reality.Thats why its often termed as being ina prison of your own design.

[plutoswrath]

@MichalPtacnik yes you are correct. however the subconscious is the social construct tsarion is speaking of that creates the block the shadow as he puts it. the unconscious his what he is speaking about that is holy and not the subconscious,

[MrLeagueOJustice]

@MichalPtacnik

Duh

[rcacad]

@MichalPtacnik If we exist always in the light, toward the light, seeking the light, under the lightness.... What can we learn or know from the dark? The lessons, the clean up, the "redemption" lies in the sacred subconscious. But then, what would Krishnamurti say to that in his concept that it is ALL consciousness is the same? The Holy he refered to was the respect that I believe Heidiger spoke of. Tsarion carried on with that guise.

[screemzndigital]

@MichalPtacnik

That is your ego talking. Like he said, the ego fears the elements of the unconscious and is therefore hostile to its contents. Nothing in the unconscious is evil. It is the misinterpretation and distorted view that misses the mark.

[absolutelyfree1963]

Very good... and true.

[HOPCOLA]

"by not thinking about what thinking should be thinking about.... you are not thinking"

[rcacad]

@HOPCOLA What about if the thing you think your thoughts with, is not thinking.

[HOPCOLA]

@rcacad its bad news then ......or? what is your point

[HOPCOLA]

@rcacad as if "thinking is, thinking about what thinking should not be thinking about"?

[plutoswrath]

i personally know it's not that damn complicated

[MsTeri100]

@plutoswrath please......enlighten us.

[plutoswrath]

@MsTeri100  please ... go en-"liten" yourselves. or enlighten which ever you prefer.

[MsTeri100]

@plutoswrath im sorry i thought you were serious about having some real "personal knowledge" to share sorry did not mean to offend, i was asking out of curiosity and being slightly sarcastic which was maybe uncalled for lol so sorry, my bad. I hate it when people make stupid mean comments and i guess that day it rubbed off! I do feel I am very enlightened though but am always curious to learn more so that's why was asking if you knew something please share.

[plutoswrath]

@MsTeri100 yes diplomacy often is lost online it seems to draw a hostility from many people. sharing my own individual experience which i realize right now if i tried to tell this it would be like trying to describe the taste of an apple all i really agree with tsarion on is that "it" is a path made for one. and one persons poison is another persons cure. tsarion is a pharmakon in my opinion, in other words, to be take in small doses until we find out how he and his work affects us personally.

[plutoswrath]

she sells sea shell by the sea shore... man what's he said sounds like a tongue twister for the mind.

[natmanprime]

that 'ant' thing he brushes off his arm is represented by the arch enemy cockroach thng in spongebob squarepants...

anyway good vid, agree with alot of his stuff, i've not seen it said anywhere else

[MrMonicaRuiz]

idioma!