Jesus Outside the Bible - Part 2

[skinlesscougar]

You give them the bible, it isn't enough they need more.You give them more they aren't good enough.Well guess what no other text in history has been preserved as well as the bible but guess what that still isn't enough for some people. You cannot see things you do not want to see.At the very least an atheist if he wants to be fair to Christians should debate them look at evidences but also ask God (honestly) the source of the faith to show Himself to them.Note:God shows himself differently tous.

[macroman52]

Wtf! he presented the sanitized version of Josephus, the one "scholars" make up by leaving out the bits they don't like. What a lawyer!!!

[dmhewey]

The Josephus writings are widely regarded as a Medieval forgery which was appended to his original writings. Was Yshua (better translated as "Joshua" rather than "Jesus") a historical person born in Nazareth who traveled as an itinerant rabbi? Most likely he was, but making him into a "Son of God" was an ancient Hellenistic polytheistic belief which replaced the Jewish concept of "Messiah" with an idea that was more palatable to ancient Greeks.

[ilililhy1]

@dmhewey Do u LOVE THE LORD THY GOD W/ ALL UR HEART,MIND,SOUL & STRENGTH? Do u believe in GOD'S WORD-THE HOLY BIBLE & STAND ON IT? JESUS is GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON! For GOD so loved the world that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Jesus paid the price on the Cross of Calvary for the sins of the world,so we don't have to die in our sins (Luke). Jesus came not to call the righteous,but the sinners to repentance!

[godluvsmormons]

@ilililhy1 Imost people can't simply say "I believe and that's that!" That is shallow water and soft ground my friend, people who live by blind faith are tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. Jesus said if we don't believe Hm because of His words, believe because of His works (paraphrased) so how then can we believe in His works, if we can't even look into history and see that He existed and that He did those works? Jesus is not afraid of scrutiny and fact finding efforts

[cnj4200]

All of you who don't want Christianity to be real will ultimately claim anything that supports it is a forgery and false! I have been and am doing research on my beliefs so I know exactly what I believe and why. The more research I do the more it reinforces my beliefs!

[adamhoman1]

@cnj4200 It is amazing how hard people don't want Jesus to be real. I think it has to do with the fear that they will be judged one day. Any chance to discredit religion mainly Christianity and Jesus only feeds their ability to be comfortable with themselves. It completely ridiculous to think that a group of guys invented Jesus and dedicated their lives to a non existing person or even a phony. To go outside of conventional religion is consider most extreme in Jesus's time not like it is now.

[LogicThruCommonSense]

Outstanding proof.

[99minerkc]

Josephus Writings cannot be taking as historical giving that they were corrupted! maybe you will ignore the facts of interpolation and possible forgery here but I won't!!

[johnycannuk]

None of the books you quote are actually known to be by those you say they are. It wasn't until the late 2nd and 3rd centuries CE that the current attributions was assigned and accepted.

As for Josephus, that entire passage is a known interpolation by Origen. There are extant versions of Josephus without that passage (and seriously, a Jew claiming someone was the Messiah, or even MAY be and still remain a Jew?)

Read the verse before and the verse after. They flow naturally. Its fake.

[corunderground]

why is it that after so much proof over and over that proves Jesus existed so many still claim there is no evidence. I just don't get the willful blindness...........

[rangerider79]

Have ever checked to see if this proof is reliable. Dont take this guys word for it. Look into both sides of the arguement. Ive yet to see a one on one debate won by a Jesus lived and walked posotion.

[weberly2]

exactly

[RenegadeMaster07]

@corunderground i agree. if you don't believe in God then fair play to you, i would just hope you'd heard the gospel and looked into what your rejecting. However, to say that Jesus didnt exist is just daft, no matter your opinion of what Jesus was, he was definitely there.

[PhilipSneyd]

Even atheists (the smart ones) recognise that Jesus, the man, existed. Deniers may as well associate themselves with Holocaust Revisionists ("it didn't happen because I want to believe it didn't")

[6sully8391]

i see where you're going, people talking about people believing in Jesus Christ, where's the archaeological evidence? quote an archaeologist who says, "here is incontrovertible evidence for a historical Jesus." even if there is a historical Jesus, it doesn't make him divine. Siddhattha Gotama definitely existed, but does that make Buddhism truth? I think not

[jesusramones1]

The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum (the Josephus passage) has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it had at a minimum been altered by Christian scribes, and possibly was outright forgery

[Taofunkle]

The disputes present amongst scholars regarding Josephus' writings is whether or not some of Josephus' passages were embellished by later interpolations. The majority of scholars today agree the writings are authentic, but had some embellishments added. The passage provided in this video is one with those embellishments removed, and is not disputed but by a few of the most skeptical scholars.

[rangerider79]

The fact is Josepheus was not an eye witness and wrote about a "christus" at least 30 yrs after the "resurection". It is short and not clear as if he added it with out really any good knowledge except a few campfire stories.

[iToyRobot]

Awesome

[weberly2]

this is excellent information that everyone should be given, and i didn't find out about until my 30's thanks to the internet. when little kids say, but how do we know the Bible is true, etc. other than what the Bible says? this is what they are asking for right here, in the only way they know to ask, and it is available, fortunately, so don't jump down their little throats or tell them to have more faith. give them the facts, they are lovers of truth, being from their father.

[99minerkc]

@weberly2 , You take what this guy says without researching for yourself? I suspect that what you did when becoming a christian, take someones word that the bible is true etc instead of doing research to find the truth! Do you know what interpolation is? maybe you should do some homework in this area-you might stumble onto the truth!

[weberly2]

@99minerkc

well then you would be completely wrong in your supposition.

[havock89]

Great video.

[ATLpirate]

This is really good. But we need to keep in mind that no amount of evidence will ever convert anybody. You could spend literally 10 years with someone going over all the evidences from philosophy and fulfilled prophecy to archeological findings and the thousands of biblical manuscripts and not win that person over. Because it's all about grace, not intellect. If it were about intellect and nothing else, everyone would be a Christian because the evidence is overwhelming.

[ATLpirate]

"everyone would be a Christian because the evidence is overwhelming."

In fact, at some point I'm sure some atheist will come along & mock me for saying something so stupid. "There's no evidence for God!" But this kind of objection never proves anything except the spiritual blindness of the person who raises it. Romans 1:18-23 makes it clear that all men know God because he has revealed himself to them. So those who don't believe do not do so for lack of evidence; they do so out of rebellion.

[SpikeZantren]

Amen.