I can see audism is very real. I simply tried to suggest to some hearing on a discussion forum that another view exists on cochlear implants. I even presented evidence. The reactions surprised me. I'm sure others such as gays faced the same obstacles. :(. I may even be an audist myself but I'm willing to try to listen to the concerns of deafies.
@truevoiceofsanity Oh dear. That doesn't surprise me. You're correct that gays faced similar obstacles but they're ahead of us in that the medical label of mental deviancy was removed from the APA's DS-M (I'll have to doublecheck if I got the DS-M correct) so they were able to move ahead. We are still stuck with the medical label. You might want to see my Gay and Deaf parallel series at my blog.
Antiaudism can be done in different forms. It can be in form of a witty counter. For example, in one comedy episode of Seinfeld, Marlee Matlin rep-lied "Bingo!" to Seinfeld when he shouted to her "Hey, girl, ain't you deaf!" when she did not respond to his shouting. Or by giving out a card to a hearing person with "Lipreading requires mindreading and I can't mindread to understand what you said." Or replying to "Is your baby deaf or hearing?" with "Neither, he is healthy!"
@Hartmut1940 ??? I'm confused lol. Some deaf can lip read; I'd have thought anybody who can see, can, if motivated to do so, learn lip reading (or lol learn ASL too just to be fair.) If the world is majority hearing, why would deafies consider this work around offensive? At the end of the day, people have to be able to communicate. Its pretty hard to get the majority, to learn the language of the majority, so that means the deafie is stuck choosing his/her tools to communicate? SMS is gr8.
that is why deaf people need to exist to help hearing people erase misconceptions or prejudice about deafness, language, communication, culture, and humanity.Thinking deafness as defect to be exterminated like malaria is understandable, yet it is audistic cuz this thinking is one root, encouraging those misconceptions, negative attitudes, and a host of discriminatory behavior toward deaf persons (utterances or actions).
Most notions about lipreading and integration are myths.
THe issue also is about whether to introduce a new construct and link it with "as related to those who are deaf or hard of hearing". Or is it just simply a set of discriminations, based mostly on ignorance. I have adversaries in the blogs in Germany, proposing a "theory of discriminations" instead using the term with an -ism.
I do have developed and published in a German forum a definition for "audism" with elements, on which one can determine if an incident is due to audism or not.
nice video. I'm Canadian but I'm hearin. Are you in Toronto? Did you hear about kalalau52 is giving an ASL discussion on "deaf hate"? Personally i don't agree its all hate but its obvious deaf issues are invisible from the public eye. As proof audism isn't over used, i've only heard about it on youtube, 100% of the ppl i've seen discussing it are deaf. ;) Hope you go to his talk, if you can?
@truevoiceofsanity Oh yes, I heard about kalalau52. I'm going to his presentation in fact. You're right that Deaf issues are invisible from the public eye, and it's time that situation changed.
Actually audism is an under used term. Have you ever noticed that for the most part, the only people discussing perceived audism are deaf? 99% of the discussions about audism involve deaf people angrily complaining to other deaf people how much they are misunderstood by the hearing community
Audism means that the hearing community is under educated. The d. community isn't communicating with them IMO. ;). Get audism discussed on the CBC!!!
Hey Shelley, Yes I agree with you. We have to be careful how we use the words! LOL. I remember you always had the dictionary book with you all the time at school and at home as well everyday. You love learning every word from the dictionary. I believe you have the reason to be on the EARTH!! smiels with hugs
Good vlog... professional. Thanks for this vlog. I always find the Deaf Canadians more approachable (due to less oppression in Canada than in America?) ;o)
Karen, I don't know whether there is less oppression in Canada than in the USA. In some ways I think it's worse in Canada, but we have more legislation at hand to combat it. An American friend tells me that the USA has refused to sign the UN Human Rights agreement, while Canada has. So, that means that is one less avenue for you Americans to fight audism.
@shelpotma1 There is no education in Canada for the hearing that describes the needs or feelings of the deaf. I've certainly never for example heard about audism on the CBC. Imagine is 50% of the deaf people, started writing letters to the CBC?
Again, rather than looking at this as "oppression"; it might be more constructive to frame things in a positive way. "Why I dislike the way hearing treat me". How we can all get along.
@truevoiceofsanity You have a point about bringing audism to the media. It has already started. Google Gary Malkowski, and Canadian Hearing Society. The CHS has a position paper on audism that you might be interested in reading and refer to your friends.
I could not fathom why some denied that word does exist even CSUN has an organization called, "Stop Audism"... There were many students wearing red shirts with a front print "Stop Audism". Ella and I were amazed to recognize them.
I know what you mean. Racism and sexism were not accepted by the people affected by them at first. It took 30 years from the time racism was coined to the time it was published in a dictionary.
Actually, I think it's not because they didn't experience audism in any form, but it's because of fear. Someone told me he resisted the term because of fear that that term would give the hearing another tool with which to oppress us. He has learned differently since, and now accepts the term.
@shelpotma1 Hi, I'm hearing. This idea is flawed. This idea of oppression assumes that the oppressor knows he's oppressing. He doesn't. The term shouldn't be the issue. The issue should be educating the hearing on how the deaf feel.
Audism will continue until the hearing community starts finding constructive ways to educate the hearing.
Or you can argue amongst yourselves about what to call it. Some ppl may have different experiences than others. ;).
@truevoiceofsanity My apologies for not replying before now. Re: Your argument that the oppressor doesn't know he's oppressing. I'm not talking about the ignorant ones. I'm talking about the willful ignorant individual that refuses to change his/her views even after being educated. The former can be educated, and they are usually contrite. The former is not contrite. The same goes for racists. At the beginning they ... to be continued...
@shelpotma1 at the beginning they don't really realize they oppress because it was part of the society of the day in the South before Civil Rights. However, once educated, they were afraid the status quo would change, and came down harder. They knew better, and yet they were willful about closing their minds to the plight of the Blacks before the Blacks finally had enough.
@shelpotma1 Oh. True, you can't do much against the "willful" ignorant ones. I think, they are the minority. I think most people will act in ways they think is write. The cochlear implant debate is one that deafies are "losing" in the battle for public opinion tho. A lot of ppl seem to think implants are a good solution to the problem of deaf integration into a world of mostly hearing. They think they are spaeking for interests of the deaf.
the issue about cochlear implant is not about the device itself, but it is about how it is used as a tool to strengthen audism in the society. If the value of hearing has been relativized (can hear = OK, can't hear also OK), then the controversy around the device will lessen or vanish, like hearing aid, which is not a problem for us. I am aware, convincing many hearing people of this notion is very difficult. The construct of audism should help in this endeavor.
@truevoiceofsanity, oppression and an ism are two different things. An ism is a construct that encapsulates the phenomenon of treatments toward a minority group. Oppression is one of them. You can practice an ism consciously or subconsciously. F.e., you can be sometimes rassistic without realizing.
Audismus can begin with the expectation that everyone hears ("Hey,why can't you hear!?!" "Why, are you deaf?!".after shouting at someone and not receiving a response). "Better hear some than nothing!"
@Hartmut1940 Why is the question "can you hear or are you deaf" considered audist. If i know you are deaf, changes the way i might attempt to communicate with' I'm ASL impaired so I'd have to resort to common means of communicatio,, which is writing. If i knew ASL, I'd use that, if I knew you were deaf. Shouting is rude, I agree. With old ppl, we cann speak louder (never yelling) understanding they can;t hear. Tone and intent should matter. Is the persob trying to respect u
you restated the question differently from what is described below.
It is uttered angrily, why a person did not respond to calling or honking the horn. Behind the rhetorical question "Hey, you deaf?!" lies the expectation that everyone can hear or unconsciously thinking that deaf people do not exist. Unaudistic would be to assume immediately the person is deaf if he does not respond to sound and act accordingly. The question "are you deaf" in another context is not audistic.
@Hartmut1940 Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your answer makes perfect sense.
I'm glad you are patient with an ASL impaired person like me. :S. I'm sure some of my views are audistic but I'm trying to get a bit of an education. :D.
I can see audism is very real. I simply tried to suggest to some hearing on a discussion forum that another view exists on cochlear implants. I even presented evidence. The reactions surprised me. I'm sure others such as gays faced the same obstacles. :(. I may even be an audist myself but I'm willing to try to listen to the concerns of deafies.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity Oh dear. That doesn't surprise me. You're correct that gays faced similar obstacles but they're ahead of us in that the medical label of mental deviancy was removed from the APA's DS-M (I'll have to doublecheck if I got the DS-M correct) so they were able to move ahead. We are still stuck with the medical label. You might want to see my Gay and Deaf parallel series at my blog.
shelpotma1 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity For some reason, I was unable to type my blog website url. Go to Shel:A Deaf Canadian's Thoughts.
shelpotma1 1 year ago
@shelpotma1 I will look it up. ;). ;).
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
Antiaudism can be done in different forms. It can be in form of a witty counter. For example, in one comedy episode of Seinfeld, Marlee Matlin rep-lied "Bingo!" to Seinfeld when he shouted to her "Hey, girl, ain't you deaf!" when she did not respond to his shouting. Or by giving out a card to a hearing person with "Lipreading requires mindreading and I can't mindread to understand what you said." Or replying to "Is your baby deaf or hearing?" with "Neither, he is healthy!"
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
@Hartmut1940 ??? I'm confused lol. Some deaf can lip read; I'd have thought anybody who can see, can, if motivated to do so, learn lip reading (or lol learn ASL too just to be fair.) If the world is majority hearing, why would deafies consider this work around offensive? At the end of the day, people have to be able to communicate. Its pretty hard to get the majority, to learn the language of the majority, so that means the deafie is stuck choosing his/her tools to communicate? SMS is gr8.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity,
that is why deaf people need to exist to help hearing people erase misconceptions or prejudice about deafness, language, communication, culture, and humanity.Thinking deafness as defect to be exterminated like malaria is understandable, yet it is audistic cuz this thinking is one root, encouraging those misconceptions, negative attitudes, and a host of discriminatory behavior toward deaf persons (utterances or actions).
Most notions about lipreading and integration are myths.
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
THe issue also is about whether to introduce a new construct and link it with "as related to those who are deaf or hard of hearing". Or is it just simply a set of discriminations, based mostly on ignorance. I have adversaries in the blogs in Germany, proposing a "theory of discriminations" instead using the term with an -ism.
I do have developed and published in a German forum a definition for "audism" with elements, on which one can determine if an incident is due to audism or not.
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
nice video. I'm Canadian but I'm hearin. Are you in Toronto? Did you hear about kalalau52 is giving an ASL discussion on "deaf hate"? Personally i don't agree its all hate but its obvious deaf issues are invisible from the public eye. As proof audism isn't over used, i've only heard about it on youtube, 100% of the ppl i've seen discussing it are deaf. ;) Hope you go to his talk, if you can?
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity Oh yes, I heard about kalalau52. I'm going to his presentation in fact. You're right that Deaf issues are invisible from the public eye, and it's time that situation changed.
shelpotma1 1 year ago
Good vlog! They forgot to add one more to the 7 parts...we have rights to education.
Salticid68 1 year ago
Actually audism is an under used term. Have you ever noticed that for the most part, the only people discussing perceived audism are deaf? 99% of the discussions about audism involve deaf people angrily complaining to other deaf people how much they are misunderstood by the hearing community
Audism means that the hearing community is under educated. The d. community isn't communicating with them IMO. ;). Get audism discussed on the CBC!!!
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
Hey Shelley, Yes I agree with you. We have to be careful how we use the words! LOL. I remember you always had the dictionary book with you all the time at school and at home as well everyday. You love learning every word from the dictionary. I believe you have the reason to be on the EARTH!! smiels with hugs
wcmithaug 1 year ago
beautiful vlog. i liked it.
posietea 2 years ago
Shel, I have tragic news fer you - I mentioned you in my latest vlog! :-P
R-
ridor9th 2 years ago
GASP! QUICK! Call 911! I'm about to have a heart attack! *passing-out-on-the-floor*
shelpotma1 2 years ago
Good vlog... professional. Thanks for this vlog. I always find the Deaf Canadians more approachable (due to less oppression in Canada than in America?) ;o)
Mayes2010 2 years ago
Karen, I don't know whether there is less oppression in Canada than in the USA. In some ways I think it's worse in Canada, but we have more legislation at hand to combat it. An American friend tells me that the USA has refused to sign the UN Human Rights agreement, while Canada has. So, that means that is one less avenue for you Americans to fight audism.
shelpotma1 2 years ago
@shelpotma1 There is no education in Canada for the hearing that describes the needs or feelings of the deaf. I've certainly never for example heard about audism on the CBC. Imagine is 50% of the deaf people, started writing letters to the CBC?
Again, rather than looking at this as "oppression"; it might be more constructive to frame things in a positive way. "Why I dislike the way hearing treat me". How we can all get along.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity You have a point about bringing audism to the media. It has already started. Google Gary Malkowski, and Canadian Hearing Society. The CHS has a position paper on audism that you might be interested in reading and refer to your friends.
shelpotma1 1 year ago
5 stars and favorited! 8D
I could not fathom why some denied that word does exist even CSUN has an organization called, "Stop Audism"... There were many students wearing red shirts with a front print "Stop Audism". Ella and I were amazed to recognize them.
Excellent vlog as always.
aguabo 2 years ago
I know what you mean. Racism and sexism were not accepted by the people affected by them at first. It took 30 years from the time racism was coined to the time it was published in a dictionary.
shelpotma1 2 years ago
True and I wonder if those naysayers denied that word becuz oppression/discrimination didn't happen to them? Or they just don't like that word?
aguabo 2 years ago
Actually, I think it's not because they didn't experience audism in any form, but it's because of fear. Someone told me he resisted the term because of fear that that term would give the hearing another tool with which to oppress us. He has learned differently since, and now accepts the term.
shelpotma1 2 years ago
@shelpotma1 Hi, I'm hearing. This idea is flawed. This idea of oppression assumes that the oppressor knows he's oppressing. He doesn't. The term shouldn't be the issue. The issue should be educating the hearing on how the deaf feel.
Audism will continue until the hearing community starts finding constructive ways to educate the hearing.
Or you can argue amongst yourselves about what to call it. Some ppl may have different experiences than others. ;).
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity My apologies for not replying before now. Re: Your argument that the oppressor doesn't know he's oppressing. I'm not talking about the ignorant ones. I'm talking about the willful ignorant individual that refuses to change his/her views even after being educated. The former can be educated, and they are usually contrite. The former is not contrite. The same goes for racists. At the beginning they ... to be continued...
shelpotma1 1 year ago
@shelpotma1 at the beginning they don't really realize they oppress because it was part of the society of the day in the South before Civil Rights. However, once educated, they were afraid the status quo would change, and came down harder. They knew better, and yet they were willful about closing their minds to the plight of the Blacks before the Blacks finally had enough.
shelpotma1 1 year ago
@shelpotma1 Oh. True, you can't do much against the "willful" ignorant ones. I think, they are the minority. I think most people will act in ways they think is write. The cochlear implant debate is one that deafies are "losing" in the battle for public opinion tho. A lot of ppl seem to think implants are a good solution to the problem of deaf integration into a world of mostly hearing. They think they are spaeking for interests of the deaf.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity,
the issue about cochlear implant is not about the device itself, but it is about how it is used as a tool to strengthen audism in the society. If the value of hearing has been relativized (can hear = OK, can't hear also OK), then the controversy around the device will lessen or vanish, like hearing aid, which is not a problem for us. I am aware, convincing many hearing people of this notion is very difficult. The construct of audism should help in this endeavor.
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity, oppression and an ism are two different things. An ism is a construct that encapsulates the phenomenon of treatments toward a minority group. Oppression is one of them. You can practice an ism consciously or subconsciously. F.e., you can be sometimes rassistic without realizing.
Audismus can begin with the expectation that everyone hears ("Hey,why can't you hear!?!" "Why, are you deaf?!".after shouting at someone and not receiving a response). "Better hear some than nothing!"
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
@Hartmut1940 Why is the question "can you hear or are you deaf" considered audist. If i know you are deaf, changes the way i might attempt to communicate with' I'm ASL impaired so I'd have to resort to common means of communicatio,, which is writing. If i knew ASL, I'd use that, if I knew you were deaf. Shouting is rude, I agree. With old ppl, we cann speak louder (never yelling) understanding they can;t hear. Tone and intent should matter. Is the persob trying to respect u
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
@truevoiceofsanity,
you restated the question differently from what is described below.
It is uttered angrily, why a person did not respond to calling or honking the horn. Behind the rhetorical question "Hey, you deaf?!" lies the expectation that everyone can hear or unconsciously thinking that deaf people do not exist. Unaudistic would be to assume immediately the person is deaf if he does not respond to sound and act accordingly. The question "are you deaf" in another context is not audistic.
Hartmut1940 1 year ago
@Hartmut1940 Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your answer makes perfect sense.
I'm glad you are patient with an ASL impaired person like me. :S. I'm sure some of my views are audistic but I'm trying to get a bit of an education. :D.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
Excellent!
aslfreedom 2 years ago
Wonderful!
kalalau52 2 years ago
thanks!!!
ASLElla 2 years ago