@AbsTractorMusic Believing in Fulton Sheen but not believing in God is like believing in the laws of gravity but not believing in physics. Fulton Sheen's insights ARE OF GOD'S.
@h4nnib4lbe4n Quick tip: Never mention physics when in a god debate. Fulton Sheen often barely mention's a holy spirit in his sermons. He merely uses topics such as psychology and sociology to get people to think about their actions in life. This, I believe in. But I don't need the idea of a promised land rewarded to me in the afterlife to make me do good in life. If liking Fulton Sheen's sermon's while having that mentality makes me a hypocrite then so be it, as contradiction is part of life.
@AbsTractorMusic I hate to get into an internet debate. "Physics" was, as I understand it, used as an example, not as a topic.And to be fair, he does constantly mention a spirit, his guardian angel, and often speaks of God. Although Fulton Sheen did not have Divine Knowledge, he was very well educated and knew his theology very thoroughly. The point of his show was to teach that religion to others, and this naturally encompassed matters of modern life. Glad to know you enjoy it, though. :)
The ancient Christianism, which the Christ Jesus studied and taught...is not embodied in anything predicated on the lie of the Roman 'bible'.
Erasmus (a lifelong thrall of Rome), in handing Tyndale a slightly less error riddled version of lie, covertly wed all subsequent sects to the errors of Rome.
Rome, playing the same game it played with the Goths.
The primary enemy of God are the errant priesthood, aiding in the trade on ignorance long established.
@mytruepower2 As your intent is to establish guilt by association to things I have never implied, it would be best if you dispose with the facade of engaging me in any real dialogue.
Go back to the statement of the Roman I was engaged with at the time, and the limits of context.
PS - There is no such thing as 'advanced intellect'. IQ is but one form of thought, and not the best form...though it soothes those with many letters behind their names to assume so.
Jesus same yesterday today and tomorow and so is Fulton Sheens message. He does deliver in an extraordinary and good way. All teachers should take lessons from him although I do not think all will be as sincere and genuine as Fulton. It should also be part of every school curiculum at all levels. Peace be with you.
@abbesieyes fulton is not perfect like all things in this world but not exact opposites. Christianity has many sects because one sect would lead to abuse of power. These many sects can be aids to learn from the problem being Christians need to concentrate on the enemy in world in psychiatry, psychology, capitalism, paganism, wicca, astrology, etc. We cannot seem to come together for these objectives. My eyes have seen the glory of God.
Psalm 2:1-3. Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
There is far more toil in awareness than in the relatively ignorant toiling after common dross (money + power).
"The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains"
I choose the pain of seperation from my peers to avoid the worse pain of ignorance.
And so, Orome, the choice of which nine to aid is clear.
Does all this pallaver teach you how to care for the sick and dying, the widows and orphans. Oh for the luxury of living in ivory towers. Alas, too much vomit to clean up and too many fevered brows to cool.
Was this man gay ? Not that it matters. But he really looks and acts the part.
Gullytale - Is the world largely ridden with smallpox, deadly influenza, polio (just to name a few), as it was before the Enlightenment and its heroic benefits to humanity?
Thought, married to proper spirit undoes more suffering than any sick-ward that merely deals with effects. Note and attack causality...in its many itterations.
The concept of any 'ivory tower' is as much a lie as is the one that action is more beneficial than thought.
Also, if the Church is so benign, please highlight why the 4th Session of the Council of Trent condemns Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of the Press...and why said condemnation has NEVER been recanted.
This, again, is to ensure that erroneous doctrines are not propagated. The restrictions on freedom of the Press and speech are under the title DECREE CONCERNING THE EDITION, AND THE USE, OF THE SACRED BOOKS and should be remembered in that way. This ecclesiastical "stamp of approval" if you will, still exists in the form of Imprimaturs. Conscience can be disordered into rebelling against the Truth as revealed in the Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. That is why Christ made his Church.
Christ made no Church. The Church Overarching is composed of Christ, which the Living Christ was quite aware of. In attempting to relay base awareness, he was removed. All valid offshoots of his teaching were murdered, and a lie put in their place.
Tradition is a poor replacement for reality...or awareness.
"The Prince of Peace and the King of Kings" is Christ alone. His Vicar on Earth is the Pope as attested to but the Church Fathers and the Disciples.
"There cannot be a nation of millionaires; there has never been a nation of Utopian comrades, but there have been any number of nations of tolerably contented peasants." G.K. Chesterton
Heretic - A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.
Heretics are thus all world beliefs other than the Roman Catholic.
Incorrect. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same." (Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph #2089)
Therefore, since heresy is post baptismal, it only applies to Catholics.
If heresy be post baptismal, why the crusade against the MusselMan, the Inquisition of the Jew and others never baptised, as well as christians in the levant and elsewhere who were never baptised Catholic?
If you know your history, you know that the First Crusade, the one by Papal Sanction (and not an infallible one) was to defend the Christian Byzantine Empire from the Moslem invasion. Inquisitions of the Jews, such as the Spanish Inquisition, should never have happened and were not by a legitimate ecclesiastic authority. Superstition and the Black Death contributed greatly to antisemitism and witch hunts. As a Westerner, I am not proud of these events, but they were not of dogmatic accord.
"if you know your history" - Actually it was not to defend Byzantium, it was to conquer it for Rome, the Moslem being used as wedge and diversion. If one knows ones history, one notes the Sufi as merely a creation of Rome, as was the Sufi creation called Muhhamed. There is a base difference between Islam and Muhhamedism. One also sees where the Orthodox church was forced to flee...and where Rome chased after it.
I will refrain from going on to point 45, but the fact was and is that Aquinas was no Saint, no matter how loosely one defines that meaningless title.
1. The house where a heretic is found must be torn down and the property must be confiscated. 2. The bailiff who lives in a suspicious place and is not diligent in searching for heretics loses his office and is not permitted to be employed either there or in any other place.
3. In order to prevent an innocent person from being punished or slanderously accused of heresy we command that no one shall be punished as a heretic or follower of heresy before he is so declared by a bishop or other clerical persons. 4. All are permitted to search for heretics in others' territories, and the bailiffs must help them. The king can, accordingly, search for heretics in the territory of the count of Toulouse, and the count of Toulouse in the king's land.
Jesuits. one only comes to I AM (je suis) by removing the cross. Or perhaps the contention is that only adding a cross to the triune leads one to I AM...which is geometrically and philosophically valid.
The quality of the flock will be known by the tools applied by its shepherd.
My words are meant with love, so hear them - the error lies in application.
No. I allowed no preconcept. But, Gnosis/Awareness IS both path and goal. Nor am I buddhist or a member of any other 'ism'. Historically, my family carried the water of Rome for quite awhile.
If you would believe it, I was baptized of the purest burning love in a dream visitation.
The key lies in distilling the valid from the invalid worldwide - as the tale of Babel infers. What was divided out of hubris and error should be reformed in valid spirit, from the personal...outward.
Consensus Theology - you will be loved to the extent you submit to their consensus. Thus great minds were hounded and killed. Bruno, Aquinas and many others, by Papal decree.
That prior to AD 350, when the RCC was established by force of arms, there were free primary and secondary schools everywhere. By 450 AD they had all but perished. This trend held true whether an area was exposed to 'barbarians' or was not.
Glorious St. Thomas Aquinas loved the Church, the bride of Christ, and Christ himself (who personally appeared to him on several occasions) with all of his heart. St. Thomas was summoned to the Council of Trent by Papal Decree and died in a convent after falling ill on the way. The priest who heard his last confession said that it was like the one of a child of five years.
A murdering bastard, as many or your ilk were and still are.
89. The Treatment of Heretics, 1229-1235 Selection A from Conciliengeschichte, trans. by Brother Conrad Zimmermann, O.S.B. (Freiburg im Breisgau: B. Herder, 1886), V, 980-986; selection B from Original Sources of European History, edited by Edward P. Cheyney (Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Press, 1902)
III, 14-15; 17-18; selection C from Summa Theologica, trans. by Fathers of English Dominican Province (New York: Benziger Brothers, Inc., 1947), II, 1226-1227. A. REGULATIONS OF THE SYNOD OF TOULOUSE CONCERNING THE INQUISITION, 1229
1. BISHOPS must bind under oath when necessary in each parish, within and outside a city, a priest and two or more lay people of good reputation to diligently, faithfully, and often search out heretics in their parishes, (next)
individual suspicious houses, subterranean rooms and additions to houses, and other hiding places. If they discover a heretic, follower, patron, or protector of heretics, they must, taking precaution that they do not escape, quickly notify the bishop and mayor of the place or his bailiff so they will be duly punished (command of the episcopal inquisition according to the practice of the synods of Verona, Bourges, Narbonne, and the twelfth general synod).
2. Exempt abbots, who are not subject to episcopal jurisdiction, must act in the same way as the bishops. 3. The governors of the respective districts should order diligent search of country residences, houses, and forests for heretics and destroy their hiding places.
4. Whoever, allowing a heretic to stay on his property either for money or any other cause, if he confesses or is convicted, loses his property forever and his body is handed over to the civil authority for punishment.
5. He also is subject to legal punish ment whose property, although without his knowledge but by negligence, has become an abode of heretics.
There is absolutely no need to name call. No doubt some priests were illegitimate children and some may have committed murder because the Church is just that old and has had that many people in it. As stated elsewhere, a heretic is a baptized Christian (before the Reformation all Christians were Catholic) who has an obstinate denial of a dogma that must be believed in order to be a member of the Church. It is of critical importance that they learn the truth and not spread their errors.
"Before the Reformation all Christians were Catholic."
No they weren't. They were Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, etc etc etc.
Additionally, explain how - after the first generation of 'protestors' - the Church justified calling those who were not formally Baptised Catholic, but Lutheran or Calvinist, Anabaptist, etc, 'heretics'. They were, after all, not baptised within the RCC Living.
That the RCC claims to be the sole valid form of what is now termed Christianity when it makes up Dogma that is not supported by scripture...seems a bit cheeky.
That is why those who harbor heretics in an unlettered, unlearned society should be be punished for their negligence and/or deliberate harboring of those who would lead the people from the straight and narrow path. A a reason for the great success of Luther is that his doctrines were appealing to people, not because they were true.
society where the majority of the population is illiterate and uneducated. I am new to YouTube, and don't know the answer to this next question. Is there some other forum where we can continue our conversation? The Fulton Sheen Channel keeps disabling the comments when I post too much to keep this comment string from getting too crowded.
Break your response into parts that refer to the last, and all will be posted. I've never encountered a problem other than the excessive posting code popping up and losing my last post.
Being illiterate and uneducated is merely a point of view. Some of the most highly educated, under the current system, cannot make the simplest of links by dint of being conditioned against them in their base training.
Uneducated may be a point of view, and I am the last person to praise today's educational system (especially secondary institutions), but I am fairly certain that the inability to read is a pretty straightforward attribute.
The fault of the classic philosophers was to assume that man, unaided by anything but his reason, could comprehend all truth. This is erroneous, as all of human civilization proves. The narrow path refers to the path of truth, which (of necessity must exclude error). There is only one Truth and he established his laws through a chosen people for about 5,000 years and a universal Church for about 2,000.
"The fault of the classic philosophers was to assume that man, unaided by anything but his reason, could comprehend all truth"
Then you are damning the Living Christ as erroneous? He was a great philosopher first, then a great teacher of the commoner...which implies that common thought, mated to common heart, is quite sufficient to coming to Truth. "he established his laws through a chosen people" Wrong, It established 1 of a few laws through a chosen people. The Tower remains divided.
Additionally, errant thought over a long period of time only damns error, not the process of thought. Begin in error and one is undone from the start - this infers that a (or several) base assumption(s) were then and today remain, invalid.
The history of the 'discovery' of 'Blood Pressure should be of interest to all those who cling to the ancient, without understanding the metaphors implied for the overarching and the 'new'.
"Without Faith is is impossible to please God." St. John Chrysostom. There are certain parts of the whole Truth that can only be known bu public revelation. The Trinity is one of those mysteries that cannot be fully understood until our idea of God is replaced by God Himself.
The Natural Moral Law is known to all peoples, but the law of God, explicitly so, belongs to the Judeo-Christian Tradition.
"15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness and reverence,"
Because
"18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God"
(72 characters left over after the above quote as well. interesting)
Perhaps it is better to say that God freely out of His own will grants men His Suprabundant Grace.
With this we are to gladly recieve and freely return to God the Gift which is His. The Grace reminds us that we are utterly unworthy of anything from God yet He continues in His Divine Love to allow us to draw breath.
God never ceases to be giving. He is Overflowing With Abudance. But, we for our disordered reason lock up this His Gift and do let it be free out of our own pride.
Invalid. We are commanded to provide a Reason of our Faith. Reason and Spirit are the keys to Revelation.
God (Truth) gives his gifts (the outcome of the application of Truth) to those who seek him, and thwarts those who thwart seeking him. From smallest to largest issue this is Truth.
We are beloved of God, and we are not fallen except to the extent we fail to seek or are prevented in doing so.
As to reason, the living Christ chose base humanity, as their reason was sufficient.
This document, taken at face value, is not condemning; it merely shows the lengths the Church will go to defend the Truth. The ABUSES, however, were extremely serious and needed to be resolved. I will not attempt to deny that there have been absolutely horrid people, priests, and popes in the Church. These people were in need of pastoral care, not persecution. But the humans who were in the Church got distracted by their roles as worldly powers and forgot their roles as children of God.
One does not bring awareness via coercion, thus it was not the Church Overarching defending truth (Truth needs no defender. Should it need a defender it be not Truth.) but Man enforcing an error riden opinion concerning that which exists.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot state that the RCC Living has any sole claim or understanding of the Church Overarching, and once making said claim then deny full responsibility for repeated failure and general error.
Every truth has had need of defense! "Always be prepared to make a defense (apologia) to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you (1 Pet. 3:15).
As for the abuses of the people in the Church in contention with the infallibility of her teachings. The teaching power of the Church is not dependent on the person that holds the post of Pope or Bishop, the power is inherent to the position.
Infallibility is the inability to teach error. It is only effectual is very specific circumstances such as encyclical letters to the faithful or at a general council. It emphatically does NOT pertain to areas outside of the faith and morals of the people and it is NOT a statement of sinlessness. It also is not the inability to err. It does NOT pertain to opinion.
No. Infallibility is either applicable in all aspects or it is not. One body, one law. One earth, one law. One universe, one law. One Cosmos, one law....differing only in scale.
ANY claim of infallibility is false both on its face and to its core. Fallibility is part of the Whole.
Matt 23:1-5 "Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men."
If, by quoting Matt 23:1-5, you wish to imply the Gnostics were allied with the Pharisees...the exact opposite is the case.
The Gnostics - whom Rome also attempted to wipe from the face of the Earth - understood the same Eastern philosophy as the Christ. The Christ was attempting to reunify that which had been divided in error...Eastern and Western philos.
He (and the old Gnostics) fell afoul of the Pharisees who made a trade off of ignorance. Roman is the capital of the Pharisees today.
On the contrary, I wish to draw the parallel between Rome and the Pharisees. Specifically, "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do." Even in the most negative of circumstances, the Pope sits in Peter's seat and has the same authority as the Pharisees. Even Alexander VI, the most wretched human being to hold the office had this teaching authority. He did not use it because he did not care about it, though.
That the Christ advised the Jew to do as the Pharisees instructed (in matters only of Hebrew Law) is related to the Christs statement that he did not come to deny the Law, but to elevate the Spirit in relation to the Law. And the Christ came specifically for the Hebrew, who were lost to letters (much as Rome is lost to letters).
Romes' Law is not Hebrew Law per se, so your attempted linking of Christs word to your Tradition (vs his Spirit) is not only hamfisted...its plain wrong.
The Authority to declare the law is given to Peter in Matt. 16:16-20. Jn 20:21 gives this power to his successors. The law is raised in the sacraments and the only valid ministers of the sacraments are those who were sent by him. They echo him every day as they send the world at the end of mass. "Go, you are sent."
I have no doubt, as this age is almost over. Last degree of Arc.
It will not be hypocritical - iow, it will once again openly revert to those principles and practices of old, having gulled and cullied its enemies into thinking they are allies...just as it did with the Huguenots and others thru the ages.
The MO remains the same.
1. Come as friends
2. Indoctrinate the citizens against their own nation. Foment civil war.
Remember, the literal meaning of "indoctrinate" is to teach.
The Dominicans were actually the first in the modern era to form an international law based on the rights on nonbelievers. They were quite vocal in their cry against the Spanish torture and destruction of Native Americans.
Timeout. It seems we have a bit of a vocabulary barrier. Is it fair to associate the "Living Church" with the "Church Militant" or the Church on Earth and the Church Overarching with the entire Church?
These are the human (and subhuman) faults of an institution made up of humans. Abuses (such as the selling of Indulgences or simony) are undeniable. But the Church is more than an amalgamation of human beings; it is a holy priesthood founded by Our Lord with the promise that "The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" Matt 16:18. That is what I meant by the Church never sanctioning torture. I meant that John, as successor of Peter, never sent an infallible (on faith and morals only) decree.
No, these are the faults of an institution that imposes Dogma where it should seek base Awareness. A thing is Holy only insofar as it is error free. In teaching Dogma rather than Basis (if it is understood, which I doubt) the Living Church is errant.
But of course the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church Overarching...as the duality is the child of the Church Overarching. No truth without lie, no lie without truth. No reference point, thence no projection, thus no existence.
I was not being coy. I honestly do not know what these words mean. I fear findinf their meanings in a dictionary will not be as you intend and further divide our fragile unity.
Nor am I being coy. The first step is yearning after Truth. Few are called, fewer enter. It is not something I plant or may grant, the seeds fall as they will.
It is plainly evident that all people seek the yolk of the ineffectual plowshare fearing the weight of that which is ennobling simply because they are ignorant to the virtue of sowing seed.
Those who are conditioned to errata from birth can hardly be blamed for overlooking the valid. That is the first slavery imposed by those who claim to be 'sons of Sophia'.
All but the mentally impared are noble at birth and it is only with fetters imposed by ommission and commission that they fall to seeking 'ineffectual plowshares'.
There is a great difference between those who will not do the work...and those prevented from even knowing the work exists.
This name 'Sophia'. Is she not the Greek personification of wisdom? I can see how a heathen is one who worships her. What is the Hebraic concept of wisdom? I do not know.
Whereas, I know that I have no wisdom, small or great, I hope to do my best in being wary of a conceit of knowledge, that disgraceful sort of ignorance.
In attempt to break free of the conditioned errata, often a lack of virtue is present. There is no doubt to the recommission of a man to slavery in this regard.
I must raise issue with your assertion that "all but the mentally impared are noble at birth." What do you mean by nobility? Are you saying that people have no inherent, human dignity, just by virtue of being human? Are you insinuating that this dignity does not extend before birth, or to those who lack the power of advanced intellect? Are you insinuating that an average newborn baby is capable of higher thoughts than one with a birth defect? In either case, I must disagree.
As I previously stated, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote in A.D. 110 (I mixed up my dates before, St, Justin Martyr was closer to 150) in his letter to the Ephesians, "Where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." There also were 35 Bishops of Rome (Popes) before A.D. 350. They were Sts. Peter, Linus, Anacletus (Cletus), Clement I, Evaristus, Alexander I, Sixtus I, Telesphorus, Hyginus, Pius I, Anicetus, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor I, Zephyrinus, Callistus I, Urban I, Pontain, Anterius . . .
. . . Fabian, Cornelius, Lucius I, Stephen I, Sixtus II, Dionysius, Felix I, Eutychian, Caius, Marcellinus, Marcellus I, Eusibius, Miltiades, Sylvester I, Marcus, and Julius I.
Sadly, those were lies when your monks first forged them...to paraphrase a good line from a movie.
One notes a vast difference tween what the School of Antioch espoused (the relative poverty, piety and education of the least of all men undertaken by the Living Christ, as reflected in John Chrysostom) and what Rome was and remained enamored of under your 'church'(base empire and filthy lucre).
If you do quote from the DaVinci Code, I would have seen it if Dan Brown relinquished his claims to 'research.' He claims to have been a Jesuit and went to art school in Spain to learn his 'truth' in novel form, but he stole most of it from Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The Templar Revelations.
The Church on Earth was founded on Peter (Matt. 16:18), held its first general council in Jerusalem (Acts 15:1-12), was the bride of Christ (Eph 5:21-33), was "The pillar and bulwark of Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), had authority to choose successors (Jn 20:21), and was overseen by the Holy Spirit through his representatives (the clergy) (Acts 20:28) all in the first century, long before Constantine and Nicea. Also, the Apostles Creed, also dating from the first century, stated a belief if the Church.
Someone here said that Fulton Sheen was a Jesuit. Incorrect! Sheen attended Spalding Institute, a Diocesan High School in Peoria, then St. Viator College, a Viatorian College, then St. Paul (Archdiocesan) seminary, in St. Paul, MN where he was ordained. He taught at St. Edmund's College in England and Catholic University of America (neither are Jesuit Institutions) and was bishop of Rochester, NY. He was a Diocesan priest and never joined the Society of Jesus (Jesuits). These are the facts.
abbesieyes is that u people actually have the time and nerve to go around and post ur lies and here says in videos like these. Do u honestly have nothing better to do in life that mock a great man who inspired and changed the lives of many. He did more things to help the world than u can ever achieve posting ur garbage in videos of people like him.
I do not mock, I expose. A base study of history is all one needs. All your ilk has are patent denials...which are ever the tools of the sophist.
I will continual interrogating for reality. You may feel free to do the same...or take lies at face value. As the Christ made clear, the choice is yours alone.
Further, 'mocking' would imply a hatred/dislike that I do not hold, as well as an expenditure of energy that I do not cede to the invalid.
That Sheen was passionate and driven is not the issue. That his base concepts (or those of his educators and controlers) were/are invalid is the issue.
This reality is your own. You offer only vague generalities with no proof. The red scare, as you call it was very real. Just ask anyone who was imprisoned behind the iron curtain in those days.
The 'Red Scare' was just that over here..a scare. You would have to study history to see who the targets of the 'Reds' were inside their own country.
Proof is a geometric concept...and one comes to proofs via thought and proper spiritus. The greatest 'proof' generator is common sense, an uncommon virtue.
I would respecfully disagree. The Soviet Union had the intent to spread their system throughout much of the world. They saw the United States as a barrier to that aim. True, we tended to make the Russians 10 feet tall -- and learned after the downfall of the USSR that we had overestimated their conventional warfighting capabilities. Fortunately the war we had prepared for never happened-- and I hope that it never will.
The Soviet Union was built on the slave state model, developed by the Jesuit in their 'Reductions' and refined over time. The USSR was a construct of Rome...with 'communism' only one side of a tyranny, 'fascism being the other. Look up the strategy of tension and look beyond 'television history'.
The Roman inquisition is still going on? This is news to me. So tell me what part Fulton Sheen played in this?
This man has dedicated his life to helping the poor. If you want specifics, I can give them to you. He was one of the finest human beings that ever lived. So far you have shown me nothing to the contrary.
The point is plain...leopards do not change their spots. The Inquisition never ended. The goals and statements of the Council of Trent still stand, and the office of the Inquisitiion was renamed...not closed.
Obviously you are trying to convince -- otherwise you would not have posted your comments. Your point is that bad things have been done in the name of the Church. Bad things have been done in the name of all major religeons because they are made up of flawed human souls. But Fulton Sheen has not committed any attrocities.
I need convince no one of reality. I highlight reality to expose a fraud. Do not attempt to reframe my statements. The point is that the base nature of the thing is evil, thus all offshoots of it must be...if they adhere and accept its doctrines.
Fulton Sheen aided in disguising 'paperclip' while the Vatican ratlines imported nazis to the US. He aided in fomenting the 'Red Scare', which was a diversionary tactic.
I would also like to add this comment. We obviously disagree about Bishop Sheen and other issues. I do acknowledge that you are an intelligent and articulate individual. You have also been polite and respectful in your responses, and for that I am thankful.
There is no need for rancor, and I respect all religion. There is much in the Church 'universal and catholic' that is based on proper concept...and sadly much that is bastardized to the benefit of the 'wrong crowd'. Do not misinterpret my opinion as an attack on the valid...but the cancerous invalid within.
Please stop spreading biased opinions about Jesuits and your incorrect "facts" about Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. St. Peter Canisus and St. Robert Bellarmine were both Jesuits and contributed to the faith so much that they were declared Doctors. The Jesuits also greatly contributed to the development of Western science and civilization with their great advancements in kinematics, astronomy, Egyptology, magnetism, optics, the history of mathematics, and seismology. But, Sheen wasn't a Jesuit.
AldaronLorem, please grow up and learn some base history.
"The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is the general of an army; not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power - power in its most despotic exercise - absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [black pope]....and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses..."
One notes that it took the same Pope and organization (Jesuits under Ledochowski) who paved the way for the likes of Franco, Hitler and Mussolini to make the thing Canisius a 'saint'.
Jesuits as scientific originators? Pfffff. They are the worst sort of panderers, followers and sophists. As such, they offer the world nothing new. They eschew independence...and so revelation is denied them. They are indeed as cunning as they are twisted, but they offer nothing new, nor good.
Maybe you're the one who should brush up on your history if you're using Napoleon Bonaparte to counter despotism and abuses of Power. Ye,s the Society of Jesus is patterned after a military organization because their founder, SAINT Ignatius of Loyola, was a former soldier. Feel free to ignore the advances of Jesuits in science (the Big Bang Theory being one) but it is utterly illogical and does a disservice to history if you discount their influence in creating the modern university system.
I used a construct of the Jesuit, and one well used to wielding power, to highlight the valid...in his own words.
The SJ is a military order, and was charged by the Pope and Council of Trent with destroying the heretic wheresoever he may be, without regard to rank. This was to be achieved by Theology, Inquisition, Torture, Subterfuge, and base Military Intervention.
I will also feel free to ignore any supposed advance by the Jesuit in any science. In much the same way as Leonardo de Pisa SJ (Fibonacci) promoted himself as the discoverer of a numerical system already well developed in the east (long extant in Vedic and Egyptian systems), the Jesuit who laid claim to the concept of all originating from fullness and recursing back into fullness (big bang to black hole) was merely a repetition of long established gnostic and vedic cosmology.
As to the quality of Jesuit 'education' in particular, or church based 'education' in general we have for the readers consideration:
The cleansing of the Encyclopeadia Brittanica after 1911 of many statements embarrassing to the Church, and quite historically valid. Additionally, the explanations of philosophies contrary to RCC doctrine and Christianity are cut in some instances by up to 2/3 their former size and content.
Let us look to the Modus Operandi of both the Jesuit and the Church throughout history and across the Globe...
First they come as friends.
Next they educate and employ their domestic products to foment discord within the country and act as traitors to their homelands. Thus the very valid statement that not all americans are American, not all christians Christian...etc etc.
Finally, they try to invite foreign conceptions and troops to subject their former friends to their will.
Not NEARLY "in todo," but I shall not pursue that here. What Christianity does, as opposed to Islam or nearly any other religion or ideology, is to use whatever is good in the culture to lead it to the truth. It leaves intact most systems of governance and merely changes the religion. Most abuses that occur and that are blamed on the Church are committed by catholic civil leaders and clergy acting without the approval of, and even against, the Church.
We shall not get into a debate regarding the relative merits and quality of different forms of Mystery School (Religion) that exist in the world. They are all in error, to one extent or another, by the design and intent of parasites.
Whether one names something Christianity, or Islam, or Buddhism....or any other limiting of the Godhead...the thing remains what it is. And Christianity (as applied) holds no patent, nor even the high ground, on attempting to improve the human condition.
Have you ever considered that all Philosophies are not equal? Especially since the Church has had several more centuries of research and thought on her philosophy than any opposition.
Yes...I have. However, your term 'Philosophy' and mine differ greatly.
Rome has ever changed the meaning of base Word over time to suit its own needs.
The only valid form of Philosophy, the world over, is that which may be proofed geometrically/mathematically. All else is rhetoric/opinion in the service of whomsoever is paying the supposed 'philosphers' way.
Note the thing by the fruit of the vine. Europe did not advance under the reign of the church and the nobility. She faded.
The testimony of the early Church is very clear that the doctrines have never been changed, only clarified. The Apologia of Justin Martyr in the second century clearly and unambiguously lays out the belief in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, Ignatius of Antioch clearly states in his letter to the Ephesians (AD 151), "Wherever Jesus is, There is the Catholic Church." On the other note, nearly all civilization attests to the validity of Platonic and Aristotelian Philosophy, which are not math.
Platonic and Aristotelian philosophies may be geometrically proofed, thus mathematically based.
Valid aspects of philosophy inherent in the Bible are also proofed.
More sophistry.
The enneagram may well be self referencing, however doing so in the larger context of the Church generating rhetoric supportive of its own goals and ends is less than honorable.
You lay claim to historic personages who were not in any way supportive of Rome? Interesting, if invalid, tactic.
Please show me these proofs for I am genuinely interested in geometrical proofs to spiritual truth. I did not get an email notice of that last reply so could you please explain the inversions and "Unity" Thank you.
@abbesieyes eometry and Mathematics are closed systems, the validity of which Gödel proved could not be demonstrated from within. Besides, the concept of "quantity", which mathematics studies, is derived from sensible objects with extension. Philosophy, therefore, must start with the objects of sense, reason to the senses themselves, and from there abstract higher principles. Mathematics is among those principles, but is not anterior to them.
I apologize, Georges Lemaître was just a Catholic diocesean priest, not a Jesuit, but he was educated in a Jesuit school. He was the man who first came up with the Scientific hypothesis of the big bang in 1927 to explain the red-shift in the galaxies.
You just don't understand the scientific inquiry necessary to come up with a valid theory of that magnitude. The line of thinking that you apply strictly to the Jesuits can be applied to anyone who ever had an idea. The scientific evidence necessary to validate that theory went far beyond merely restating an old Vedic myth.
It would be great if you could actually cite Papal Bulls to back up your claims because the Council of Trent was called to resolve the Doctrine and Morality of the Church and has absolutely no authority in secular matters. The misleading stereotype of the Jesuit with his Inquisitorial entourage and the rack to destroy Heretics is simply false. To Be Continued . . .
The Spanish Inquisition cite, was the largest of the Inquisitions of the Counter-Reformation. History shows us that the persecuted parties were exclusively Jews and Muslims, not Protestants or heretics. Moreover, the Spanish Inquisition was entirely run and mismanaged by the Lords and Kings of Spain. This is consistent with the Church's teaching toward the Jewish People. The no one was ever sanctioned to use torture by the Church because the confession would then be invalid.
I was raised a devout Methodist. Yet my mother had me watch Bishop Fulton Sheen on television every week. I'm still a Methodist, but I plan to convert to Roman Catholicism before I die and make my final confession. This is the impact Bishop Sheen has had on me.
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AbsTractorMusic 1 month ago
I'm not a christian, I just think this man has incredibly accurate insights into modern life. I don't believe in god. I believe in Fulton Sheen!
AbsTractorMusic 3 months ago
@AbsTractorMusic Fulton sheen would have had you turned into a monk in 2 years or less.
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@kevinjjfr If monks could smoke weed, I would be on board
AbsTractorMusic 1 month ago
@AbsTractorMusic Believing in Fulton Sheen but not believing in God is like believing in the laws of gravity but not believing in physics. Fulton Sheen's insights ARE OF GOD'S.
h4nnib4lbe4n 1 month ago
@h4nnib4lbe4n Quick tip: Never mention physics when in a god debate. Fulton Sheen often barely mention's a holy spirit in his sermons. He merely uses topics such as psychology and sociology to get people to think about their actions in life. This, I believe in. But I don't need the idea of a promised land rewarded to me in the afterlife to make me do good in life. If liking Fulton Sheen's sermon's while having that mentality makes me a hypocrite then so be it, as contradiction is part of life.
AbsTractorMusic 1 month ago
@AbsTractorMusic I hate to get into an internet debate. "Physics" was, as I understand it, used as an example, not as a topic.And to be fair, he does constantly mention a spirit, his guardian angel, and often speaks of God. Although Fulton Sheen did not have Divine Knowledge, he was very well educated and knew his theology very thoroughly. The point of his show was to teach that religion to others, and this naturally encompassed matters of modern life. Glad to know you enjoy it, though. :)
IvoryMorningStar 2 weeks ago
only decent priest I ever knew
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mrspatrickcampbell 1 year ago
"Ever since I was a little boy, I've had an infinite respect for a woman with a strap in her hand."
LOL! That was back in the days when it was okay to discipline kids that way.
IvoryMorningStar 1 year ago 3
@IvoryMorningStar The good old days!! :)
777ChiRho 6 months ago
Right on Trilighwolf, I thank God for you too!
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The ancient Christianism, which the Christ Jesus studied and taught...is not embodied in anything predicated on the lie of the Roman 'bible'.
Erasmus (a lifelong thrall of Rome), in handing Tyndale a slightly less error riddled version of lie, covertly wed all subsequent sects to the errors of Rome.
Rome, playing the same game it played with the Goths.
The primary enemy of God are the errant priesthood, aiding in the trade on ignorance long established.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 As your intent is to establish guilt by association to things I have never implied, it would be best if you dispose with the facade of engaging me in any real dialogue.
Go back to the statement of the Roman I was engaged with at the time, and the limits of context.
PS - There is no such thing as 'advanced intellect'. IQ is but one form of thought, and not the best form...though it soothes those with many letters behind their names to assume so.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
Jesus same yesterday today and tomorow and so is Fulton Sheens message. He does deliver in an extraordinary and good way. All teachers should take lessons from him although I do not think all will be as sincere and genuine as Fulton. It should also be part of every school curiculum at all levels. Peace be with you.
sharpbusline 2 years ago
@sharpbusline Sheen and Christ Jesus...a study in exact opposites.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
@abbesieyes fulton is not perfect like all things in this world but not exact opposites. Christianity has many sects because one sect would lead to abuse of power. These many sects can be aids to learn from the problem being Christians need to concentrate on the enemy in world in psychiatry, psychology, capitalism, paganism, wicca, astrology, etc. We cannot seem to come together for these objectives. My eyes have seen the glory of God.
sharpbusline 1 year ago
Yes! Modern architecture IS awful!
DortAmKlavier 2 years ago 3
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Trilightwolf 2 years ago 15
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"I hope to do my best in being wary of a conceit of knowledge, that disgraceful sort of ignorance."
There is no conceit in awareness. And it is only from awareness that Truth may be seen. No awareness, no God.
Finally, it takes far more virtue to fight the lie, than to bow down and meekly accept it.
It is laughable that your kind castigates the willfull, when yours is the greatest sort of willfull ignorance.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
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"This name 'Sophia'. Is she not the Greek personification of wisdom? I can see how a heathen is one who worships her."
Go to the video entitled "Bit From the Jesuit Oath and The Black Pope Speaks".
Watch the Black Pope from 2:20 - "I am very pleased to have a chance of greeting all Sophians..." He is speaking to his own.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
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abbesieyes 2 years ago
use to watch this every week with my grandma
MYJESUSROCKS 2 years ago
Thou shalt love the LORD thy God, with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself,
abbesieyes 2 years ago 2
Psalm 2:1-3. Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
abbesieyes 2 years ago 2
A final word then.
There is far more toil in awareness than in the relatively ignorant toiling after common dross (money + power).
"The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains"
I choose the pain of seperation from my peers to avoid the worse pain of ignorance.
And so, Orome, the choice of which nine to aid is clear.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
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abbesieyes 2 years ago
Does all this pallaver teach you how to care for the sick and dying, the widows and orphans. Oh for the luxury of living in ivory towers. Alas, too much vomit to clean up and too many fevered brows to cool.
Was this man gay ? Not that it matters. But he really looks and acts the part.
Gullytale 2 years ago
Gullytale - Is the world largely ridden with smallpox, deadly influenza, polio (just to name a few), as it was before the Enlightenment and its heroic benefits to humanity?
Thought, married to proper spirit undoes more suffering than any sick-ward that merely deals with effects. Note and attack causality...in its many itterations.
The concept of any 'ivory tower' is as much a lie as is the one that action is more beneficial than thought.
Engage mind before opening mouth or flexing arm.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Interesting though that your 'friend' on youtube (Hosea22) has attempted to 'befriend' me as well in the past. Curious.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Also, if the Church is so benign, please highlight why the 4th Session of the Council of Trent condemns Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of the Press...and why said condemnation has NEVER been recanted.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
This, again, is to ensure that erroneous doctrines are not propagated. The restrictions on freedom of the Press and speech are under the title DECREE CONCERNING THE EDITION, AND THE USE, OF THE SACRED BOOKS and should be remembered in that way. This ecclesiastical "stamp of approval" if you will, still exists in the form of Imprimaturs. Conscience can be disordered into rebelling against the Truth as revealed in the Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. That is why Christ made his Church.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Christ made no Church. The Church Overarching is composed of Christ, which the Living Christ was quite aware of. In attempting to relay base awareness, he was removed. All valid offshoots of his teaching were murdered, and a lie put in their place.
Tradition is a poor replacement for reality...or awareness.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The above should read "A portion of the Church Overarching..."
abbesieyes 2 years ago
No, this is to ensure the temporal power of the RCC and all those who believe in individuals being controlled by tyrants.
Only one Truth...no kings.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
"The Prince of Peace and the King of Kings" is Christ alone. His Vicar on Earth is the Pope as attested to but the Church Fathers and the Disciples.
"There cannot be a nation of millionaires; there has never been a nation of Utopian comrades, but there have been any number of nations of tolerably contented peasants." G.K. Chesterton
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Ugh. That you would quote that piece of crap...both content and author...sickening.
You are lost to error. I'll pray for you.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Heretic - A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.
Heretics are thus all world beliefs other than the Roman Catholic.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Incorrect. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same." (Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph #2089)
Therefore, since heresy is post baptismal, it only applies to Catholics.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Sadly, the catechism does not jibe with base history. Not that thats anything new...
abbesieyes 2 years ago
If heresy be post baptismal, why the crusade against the MusselMan, the Inquisition of the Jew and others never baptised, as well as christians in the levant and elsewhere who were never baptised Catholic?
abbesieyes 2 years ago
If you know your history, you know that the First Crusade, the one by Papal Sanction (and not an infallible one) was to defend the Christian Byzantine Empire from the Moslem invasion. Inquisitions of the Jews, such as the Spanish Inquisition, should never have happened and were not by a legitimate ecclesiastic authority. Superstition and the Black Death contributed greatly to antisemitism and witch hunts. As a Westerner, I am not proud of these events, but they were not of dogmatic accord.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
"if you know your history" - Actually it was not to defend Byzantium, it was to conquer it for Rome, the Moslem being used as wedge and diversion. If one knows ones history, one notes the Sufi as merely a creation of Rome, as was the Sufi creation called Muhhamed. There is a base difference between Islam and Muhhamedism. One also sees where the Orthodox church was forced to flee...and where Rome chased after it.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The Eastern Roman Empire, what the Byzantines called themselves, was founded by Diocletian and made prominent by Constantine.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Byzantium as an offshoot of Commagene, Rome as an offshoot of 'Alexandria'.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
"The misleading stereotype of the Jesuit with his Inquisitorial entourage and the rack to destroy Heretics is simply false." AL
No one said it was solely the Jesuit who was culpable.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Apologies for the horrid grammar, the sentence should read '...the Jesuit who were culpable."
abbesieyes 2 years ago
It was mostly older orders like the Dominicans who were responsible for early abuses.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
But of course older orders were responsible for the earlies of abuses.
Still, the abuses were and are not a 'one off'. The trend remains in place.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I will refrain from going on to point 45, but the fact was and is that Aquinas was no Saint, no matter how loosely one defines that meaningless title.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
1. The house where a heretic is found must be torn down and the property must be confiscated. 2. The bailiff who lives in a suspicious place and is not diligent in searching for heretics loses his office and is not permitted to be employed either there or in any other place.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
3. In order to prevent an innocent person from being punished or slanderously accused of heresy we command that no one shall be punished as a heretic or follower of heresy before he is so declared by a bishop or other clerical persons. 4. All are permitted to search for heretics in others' territories, and the bailiffs must help them. The king can, accordingly, search for heretics in the territory of the count of Toulouse, and the count of Toulouse in the king's land.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
AldaronLorem quotes the Beloved of God - "I come to testify to the Truth and all who belong to the Truth hear my voice." Jn 18:37
To which appropriate reply would be -
Jn 10:9 I am the door; by me if any man enter in he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture.
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Jn 11:10
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
But the reply indicative of I AM would be -
Galatians 1, v10 thence to v9 and Ephesians 1 v11 thence to v10.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
9/27/1540 Regimini militantis Ecclesia
9 / 9 / 9 1 (Unity) remains. Invert. 6/6/6 1(Unity) remains. IHS inverted remains IHS.
Jesuits. one only comes to I AM (je suis) by removing the cross. Or perhaps the contention is that only adding a cross to the triune leads one to I AM...which is geometrically and philosophically valid.
The quality of the flock will be known by the tools applied by its shepherd.
My words are meant with love, so hear them - the error lies in application.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Are you a Gnostic?
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
No. I allowed no preconcept. But, Gnosis/Awareness IS both path and goal. Nor am I buddhist or a member of any other 'ism'. Historically, my family carried the water of Rome for quite awhile.
If you would believe it, I was baptized of the purest burning love in a dream visitation.
The key lies in distilling the valid from the invalid worldwide - as the tale of Babel infers. What was divided out of hubris and error should be reformed in valid spirit, from the personal...outward.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I just have one more question: Who was Jesus of Nazareth?
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Salvation.
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abbesieyes 2 years ago
The habit of 'educators' in habits...
Inquisition as the primary tool.
Consensus Theology - you will be loved to the extent you submit to their consensus. Thus great minds were hounded and killed. Bruno, Aquinas and many others, by Papal decree.
That prior to AD 350, when the RCC was established by force of arms, there were free primary and secondary schools everywhere. By 450 AD they had all but perished. This trend held true whether an area was exposed to 'barbarians' or was not.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Glorious St. Thomas Aquinas loved the Church, the bride of Christ, and Christ himself (who personally appeared to him on several occasions) with all of his heart. St. Thomas was summoned to the Council of Trent by Papal Decree and died in a convent after falling ill on the way. The priest who heard his last confession said that it was like the one of a child of five years.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
A murdering bastard, as many or your ilk were and still are.
89. The Treatment of Heretics, 1229-1235 Selection A from Conciliengeschichte, trans. by Brother Conrad Zimmermann, O.S.B. (Freiburg im Breisgau: B. Herder, 1886), V, 980-986; selection B from Original Sources of European History, edited by Edward P. Cheyney (Philadelphia: The University of Pennsylvania Press, 1902)
abbesieyes 2 years ago
III, 14-15; 17-18; selection C from Summa Theologica, trans. by Fathers of English Dominican Province (New York: Benziger Brothers, Inc., 1947), II, 1226-1227. A. REGULATIONS OF THE SYNOD OF TOULOUSE CONCERNING THE INQUISITION, 1229
1. BISHOPS must bind under oath when necessary in each parish, within and outside a city, a priest and two or more lay people of good reputation to diligently, faithfully, and often search out heretics in their parishes, (next)
abbesieyes 2 years ago
individual suspicious houses, subterranean rooms and additions to houses, and other hiding places. If they discover a heretic, follower, patron, or protector of heretics, they must, taking precaution that they do not escape, quickly notify the bishop and mayor of the place or his bailiff so they will be duly punished (command of the episcopal inquisition according to the practice of the synods of Verona, Bourges, Narbonne, and the twelfth general synod).
abbesieyes 2 years ago
2. Exempt abbots, who are not subject to episcopal jurisdiction, must act in the same way as the bishops. 3. The governors of the respective districts should order diligent search of country residences, houses, and forests for heretics and destroy their hiding places.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
4. Whoever, allowing a heretic to stay on his property either for money or any other cause, if he confesses or is convicted, loses his property forever and his body is handed over to the civil authority for punishment.
5. He also is subject to legal punish ment whose property, although without his knowledge but by negligence, has become an abode of heretics.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
There is absolutely no need to name call. No doubt some priests were illegitimate children and some may have committed murder because the Church is just that old and has had that many people in it. As stated elsewhere, a heretic is a baptized Christian (before the Reformation all Christians were Catholic) who has an obstinate denial of a dogma that must be believed in order to be a member of the Church. It is of critical importance that they learn the truth and not spread their errors.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
"Before the Reformation all Christians were Catholic."
No they weren't. They were Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, etc etc etc.
Additionally, explain how - after the first generation of 'protestors' - the Church justified calling those who were not formally Baptised Catholic, but Lutheran or Calvinist, Anabaptist, etc, 'heretics'. They were, after all, not baptised within the RCC Living.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
That the RCC claims to be the sole valid form of what is now termed Christianity when it makes up Dogma that is not supported by scripture...seems a bit cheeky.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
That is why those who harbor heretics in an unlettered, unlearned society should be be punished for their negligence and/or deliberate harboring of those who would lead the people from the straight and narrow path. A a reason for the great success of Luther is that his doctrines were appealing to people, not because they were true.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Define 'unlettered, unlearned society'.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
society where the majority of the population is illiterate and uneducated. I am new to YouTube, and don't know the answer to this next question. Is there some other forum where we can continue our conversation? The Fulton Sheen Channel keeps disabling the comments when I post too much to keep this comment string from getting too crowded.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Break your response into parts that refer to the last, and all will be posted. I've never encountered a problem other than the excessive posting code popping up and losing my last post.
Being illiterate and uneducated is merely a point of view. Some of the most highly educated, under the current system, cannot make the simplest of links by dint of being conditioned against them in their base training.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Uneducated may be a point of view, and I am the last person to praise today's educational system (especially secondary institutions), but I am fairly certain that the inability to read is a pretty straightforward attribute.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
There is no straight and narrow path. The path to awareness is circuitous, as it is reflective of reality, and it only widens with greater awareness.
Narrow paths, in the common understanding, are the product of narrow thought and assumption.
The valid 'narrow path' refers to the only method in achieving awareness, which is 'crucifying the world' or interrogating for reality.
Aristotle was quite right in stating that knowledge of VALID philosophy makes the laws of man superfluous.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The fault of the classic philosophers was to assume that man, unaided by anything but his reason, could comprehend all truth. This is erroneous, as all of human civilization proves. The narrow path refers to the path of truth, which (of necessity must exclude error). There is only one Truth and he established his laws through a chosen people for about 5,000 years and a universal Church for about 2,000.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
"The fault of the classic philosophers was to assume that man, unaided by anything but his reason, could comprehend all truth"
Then you are damning the Living Christ as erroneous? He was a great philosopher first, then a great teacher of the commoner...which implies that common thought, mated to common heart, is quite sufficient to coming to Truth. "he established his laws through a chosen people" Wrong, It established 1 of a few laws through a chosen people. The Tower remains divided.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Additionally, errant thought over a long period of time only damns error, not the process of thought. Begin in error and one is undone from the start - this infers that a (or several) base assumption(s) were then and today remain, invalid.
The history of the 'discovery' of 'Blood Pressure should be of interest to all those who cling to the ancient, without understanding the metaphors implied for the overarching and the 'new'.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
"Without Faith is is impossible to please God." St. John Chrysostom. There are certain parts of the whole Truth that can only be known bu public revelation. The Trinity is one of those mysteries that cannot be fully understood until our idea of God is replaced by God Himself.
The Natural Moral Law is known to all peoples, but the law of God, explicitly so, belongs to the Judeo-Christian Tradition.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
"Without Faith it is impossible to please God."
To which the response is...
And Boldly to yield a REASON of their faith.
"15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness and reverence,"
Because
"18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God"
(72 characters left over after the above quote as well. interesting)
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Perhaps it is better to say that God freely out of His own will grants men His Suprabundant Grace.
With this we are to gladly recieve and freely return to God the Gift which is His. The Grace reminds us that we are utterly unworthy of anything from God yet He continues in His Divine Love to allow us to draw breath.
God never ceases to be giving. He is Overflowing With Abudance. But, we for our disordered reason lock up this His Gift and do let it be free out of our own pride.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
Invalid. We are commanded to provide a Reason of our Faith. Reason and Spirit are the keys to Revelation.
God (Truth) gives his gifts (the outcome of the application of Truth) to those who seek him, and thwarts those who thwart seeking him. From smallest to largest issue this is Truth.
We are beloved of God, and we are not fallen except to the extent we fail to seek or are prevented in doing so.
As to reason, the living Christ chose base humanity, as their reason was sufficient.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
This document, taken at face value, is not condemning; it merely shows the lengths the Church will go to defend the Truth. The ABUSES, however, were extremely serious and needed to be resolved. I will not attempt to deny that there have been absolutely horrid people, priests, and popes in the Church. These people were in need of pastoral care, not persecution. But the humans who were in the Church got distracted by their roles as worldly powers and forgot their roles as children of God.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
One does not bring awareness via coercion, thus it was not the Church Overarching defending truth (Truth needs no defender. Should it need a defender it be not Truth.) but Man enforcing an error riden opinion concerning that which exists.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot state that the RCC Living has any sole claim or understanding of the Church Overarching, and once making said claim then deny full responsibility for repeated failure and general error.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Every truth has had need of defense! "Always be prepared to make a defense (apologia) to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you (1 Pet. 3:15).
As for the abuses of the people in the Church in contention with the infallibility of her teachings. The teaching power of the Church is not dependent on the person that holds the post of Pope or Bishop, the power is inherent to the position.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Infallibility is the inability to teach error. It is only effectual is very specific circumstances such as encyclical letters to the faithful or at a general council. It emphatically does NOT pertain to areas outside of the faith and morals of the people and it is NOT a statement of sinlessness. It also is not the inability to err. It does NOT pertain to opinion.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
No. Infallibility is either applicable in all aspects or it is not. One body, one law. One earth, one law. One universe, one law. One Cosmos, one law....differing only in scale.
ANY claim of infallibility is false both on its face and to its core. Fallibility is part of the Whole.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Matt 23:1-5 "Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men."
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
If, by quoting Matt 23:1-5, you wish to imply the Gnostics were allied with the Pharisees...the exact opposite is the case.
The Gnostics - whom Rome also attempted to wipe from the face of the Earth - understood the same Eastern philosophy as the Christ. The Christ was attempting to reunify that which had been divided in error...Eastern and Western philos.
He (and the old Gnostics) fell afoul of the Pharisees who made a trade off of ignorance. Roman is the capital of the Pharisees today.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Apologies for the typo in the last line. It should read 'Rome is the capital...'
abbesieyes 2 years ago
On the contrary, I wish to draw the parallel between Rome and the Pharisees. Specifically, "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do." Even in the most negative of circumstances, the Pope sits in Peter's seat and has the same authority as the Pharisees. Even Alexander VI, the most wretched human being to hold the office had this teaching authority. He did not use it because he did not care about it, though.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
That the Christ advised the Jew to do as the Pharisees instructed (in matters only of Hebrew Law) is related to the Christs statement that he did not come to deny the Law, but to elevate the Spirit in relation to the Law. And the Christ came specifically for the Hebrew, who were lost to letters (much as Rome is lost to letters).
Romes' Law is not Hebrew Law per se, so your attempted linking of Christs word to your Tradition (vs his Spirit) is not only hamfisted...its plain wrong.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The Authority to declare the law is given to Peter in Matt. 16:16-20. Jn 20:21 gives this power to his successors. The law is raised in the sacraments and the only valid ministers of the sacraments are those who were sent by him. They echo him every day as they send the world at the end of mass. "Go, you are sent."
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Twaddle
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I believe that you will soon find the Church (or at least the clergy) growing less hypocritical as this age grows older.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
I have no doubt, as this age is almost over. Last degree of Arc.
It will not be hypocritical - iow, it will once again openly revert to those principles and practices of old, having gulled and cullied its enemies into thinking they are allies...just as it did with the Huguenots and others thru the ages.
The MO remains the same.
1. Come as friends
2. Indoctrinate the citizens against their own nation. Foment civil war.
3. Invite in foreign troops
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Remember, the literal meaning of "indoctrinate" is to teach.
The Dominicans were actually the first in the modern era to form an international law based on the rights on nonbelievers. They were quite vocal in their cry against the Spanish torture and destruction of Native Americans.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Utter tripe.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Indeed, Fray Bartolomé de las Casas in his account of the West Indies converted me.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
"Every truth has had need of defense"
Invalid.
1 Peter 3, 3-6
The Living Church is not infallible, whereas the Church Overarching is. Do not mix the two.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Timeout. It seems we have a bit of a vocabulary barrier. Is it fair to associate the "Living Church" with the "Church Militant" or the Church on Earth and the Church Overarching with the entire Church?
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
The barrier lies in a base difference of heart, and in pride of letters.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
These are the human (and subhuman) faults of an institution made up of humans. Abuses (such as the selling of Indulgences or simony) are undeniable. But the Church is more than an amalgamation of human beings; it is a holy priesthood founded by Our Lord with the promise that "The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" Matt 16:18. That is what I meant by the Church never sanctioning torture. I meant that John, as successor of Peter, never sent an infallible (on faith and morals only) decree.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
No, these are the faults of an institution that imposes Dogma where it should seek base Awareness. A thing is Holy only insofar as it is error free. In teaching Dogma rather than Basis (if it is understood, which I doubt) the Living Church is errant.
But of course the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church Overarching...as the duality is the child of the Church Overarching. No truth without lie, no lie without truth. No reference point, thence no projection, thus no existence.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I am curious, and always seeking to understand the words of men.
What does "Awareness" mean?
What does "Basis" mean?
These two words I have never come across in non-Catholic/Orthodox Christian theology, philosophy, or technology.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
Then you have much to learn.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I was not being coy. I honestly do not know what these words mean. I fear findinf their meanings in a dictionary will not be as you intend and further divide our fragile unity.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
Nor am I being coy. The first step is yearning after Truth. Few are called, fewer enter. It is not something I plant or may grant, the seeds fall as they will.
Is your overall goal Capistrum Am Oro?
abbesieyes 2 years ago
It is plainly evident that all people seek the yolk of the ineffectual plowshare fearing the weight of that which is ennobling simply because they are ignorant to the virtue of sowing seed.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
Those who are conditioned to errata from birth can hardly be blamed for overlooking the valid. That is the first slavery imposed by those who claim to be 'sons of Sophia'.
All but the mentally impared are noble at birth and it is only with fetters imposed by ommission and commission that they fall to seeking 'ineffectual plowshares'.
There is a great difference between those who will not do the work...and those prevented from even knowing the work exists.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
This name 'Sophia'. Is she not the Greek personification of wisdom? I can see how a heathen is one who worships her. What is the Hebraic concept of wisdom? I do not know.
Whereas, I know that I have no wisdom, small or great, I hope to do my best in being wary of a conceit of knowledge, that disgraceful sort of ignorance.
In attempt to break free of the conditioned errata, often a lack of virtue is present. There is no doubt to the recommission of a man to slavery in this regard.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
@abbesieyes
I must raise issue with your assertion that "all but the mentally impared are noble at birth." What do you mean by nobility? Are you saying that people have no inherent, human dignity, just by virtue of being human? Are you insinuating that this dignity does not extend before birth, or to those who lack the power of advanced intellect? Are you insinuating that an average newborn baby is capable of higher thoughts than one with a birth defect? In either case, I must disagree.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
As I previously stated, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote in A.D. 110 (I mixed up my dates before, St, Justin Martyr was closer to 150) in his letter to the Ephesians, "Where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." There also were 35 Bishops of Rome (Popes) before A.D. 350. They were Sts. Peter, Linus, Anacletus (Cletus), Clement I, Evaristus, Alexander I, Sixtus I, Telesphorus, Hyginus, Pius I, Anicetus, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor I, Zephyrinus, Callistus I, Urban I, Pontain, Anterius . . .
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
. . . Fabian, Cornelius, Lucius I, Stephen I, Sixtus II, Dionysius, Felix I, Eutychian, Caius, Marcellinus, Marcellus I, Eusibius, Miltiades, Sylvester I, Marcus, and Julius I.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Sadly, those were lies when your monks first forged them...to paraphrase a good line from a movie.
One notes a vast difference tween what the School of Antioch espoused (the relative poverty, piety and education of the least of all men undertaken by the Living Christ, as reflected in John Chrysostom) and what Rome was and remained enamored of under your 'church'(base empire and filthy lucre).
abbesieyes 2 years ago
If you do quote from the DaVinci Code, I would have seen it if Dan Brown relinquished his claims to 'research.' He claims to have been a Jesuit and went to art school in Spain to learn his 'truth' in novel form, but he stole most of it from Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The Templar Revelations.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
I quote from no creation of Rome.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The Church on Earth was founded on Peter (Matt. 16:18), held its first general council in Jerusalem (Acts 15:1-12), was the bride of Christ (Eph 5:21-33), was "The pillar and bulwark of Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), had authority to choose successors (Jn 20:21), and was overseen by the Holy Spirit through his representatives (the clergy) (Acts 20:28) all in the first century, long before Constantine and Nicea. Also, the Apostles Creed, also dating from the first century, stated a belief if the Church.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
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Gashak 3 years ago
Someone here said that Fulton Sheen was a Jesuit. Incorrect! Sheen attended Spalding Institute, a Diocesan High School in Peoria, then St. Viator College, a Viatorian College, then St. Paul (Archdiocesan) seminary, in St. Paul, MN where he was ordained. He taught at St. Edmund's College in England and Catholic University of America (neither are Jesuit Institutions) and was bishop of Rochester, NY. He was a Diocesan priest and never joined the Society of Jesus (Jesuits). These are the facts.
NebraskasWallpaper 3 years ago
What shocks me the most about people like u
abbesieyes is that u people actually have the time and nerve to go around and post ur lies and here says in videos like these. Do u honestly have nothing better to do in life that mock a great man who inspired and changed the lives of many. He did more things to help the world than u can ever achieve posting ur garbage in videos of people like him.
77PhoenixFire77 3 years ago
I do not mock, I expose. A base study of history is all one needs. All your ilk has are patent denials...which are ever the tools of the sophist.
I will continual interrogating for reality. You may feel free to do the same...or take lies at face value. As the Christ made clear, the choice is yours alone.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
Further, 'mocking' would imply a hatred/dislike that I do not hold, as well as an expenditure of energy that I do not cede to the invalid.
That Sheen was passionate and driven is not the issue. That his base concepts (or those of his educators and controlers) were/are invalid is the issue.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
This reality is your own. You offer only vague generalities with no proof. The red scare, as you call it was very real. Just ask anyone who was imprisoned behind the iron curtain in those days.
majwalt 3 years ago
The 'Red Scare' was just that over here..a scare. You would have to study history to see who the targets of the 'Reds' were inside their own country.
Proof is a geometric concept...and one comes to proofs via thought and proper spiritus. The greatest 'proof' generator is common sense, an uncommon virtue.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
I would respecfully disagree. The Soviet Union had the intent to spread their system throughout much of the world. They saw the United States as a barrier to that aim. True, we tended to make the Russians 10 feet tall -- and learned after the downfall of the USSR that we had overestimated their conventional warfighting capabilities. Fortunately the war we had prepared for never happened-- and I hope that it never will.
majwalt 3 years ago
The Soviet Union was built on the slave state model, developed by the Jesuit in their 'Reductions' and refined over time. The USSR was a construct of Rome...with 'communism' only one side of a tyranny, 'fascism being the other. Look up the strategy of tension and look beyond 'television history'.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
It doesn't get any better than this. Bishop Sheen was a true man of God.
majwalt 3 years ago
Doubtful, as he was a Jesuit.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
What does this have to do with anything?
majwalt 3 years ago
You may have him confused with actor Martin Sheen who is a Jesuit.
majwalt 3 years ago
Martin Estevez (renamed Sheen) is a Jesuit coadjutor. Bishop Sheen is a Jesuit. And that matters greatly, if one knows ones history.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
Maybe you can explain why it makes a difference.
majwalt 3 years ago
The Medievil Inquisition - 1184-1230's
The Spanish Inquisition - 1478-1834
The Portugese Inquisition - 1536-1821
the Roman Inquisition (part one) - 1542-1860
the Roman Inquisition (part two) - 1927-today.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
The Roman inquisition is still going on? This is news to me. So tell me what part Fulton Sheen played in this?
This man has dedicated his life to helping the poor. If you want specifics, I can give them to you. He was one of the finest human beings that ever lived. So far you have shown me nothing to the contrary.
majwalt 3 years ago
The point is plain...leopards do not change their spots. The Inquisition never ended. The goals and statements of the Council of Trent still stand, and the office of the Inquisitiion was renamed...not closed.
I am not here to convince anyone of anything.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
Obviously you are trying to convince -- otherwise you would not have posted your comments. Your point is that bad things have been done in the name of the Church. Bad things have been done in the name of all major religeons because they are made up of flawed human souls. But Fulton Sheen has not committed any attrocities.
majwalt 3 years ago
I need convince no one of reality. I highlight reality to expose a fraud. Do not attempt to reframe my statements. The point is that the base nature of the thing is evil, thus all offshoots of it must be...if they adhere and accept its doctrines.
Fulton Sheen aided in disguising 'paperclip' while the Vatican ratlines imported nazis to the US. He aided in fomenting the 'Red Scare', which was a diversionary tactic.
He is not to be admired by any decent person.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
I would also like to add this comment. We obviously disagree about Bishop Sheen and other issues. I do acknowledge that you are an intelligent and articulate individual. You have also been polite and respectful in your responses, and for that I am thankful.
majwalt 3 years ago
There is no need for rancor, and I respect all religion. There is much in the Church 'universal and catholic' that is based on proper concept...and sadly much that is bastardized to the benefit of the 'wrong crowd'. Do not misinterpret my opinion as an attack on the valid...but the cancerous invalid within.
abbesieyes 3 years ago
Please stop spreading biased opinions about Jesuits and your incorrect "facts" about Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. St. Peter Canisus and St. Robert Bellarmine were both Jesuits and contributed to the faith so much that they were declared Doctors. The Jesuits also greatly contributed to the development of Western science and civilization with their great advancements in kinematics, astronomy, Egyptology, magnetism, optics, the history of mathematics, and seismology. But, Sheen wasn't a Jesuit.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
AldaronLorem, please grow up and learn some base history.
"The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is the general of an army; not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power - power in its most despotic exercise - absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [black pope]....and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses..."
Napoleon Bonaparte
abbesieyes 2 years ago
One notes that it took the same Pope and organization (Jesuits under Ledochowski) who paved the way for the likes of Franco, Hitler and Mussolini to make the thing Canisius a 'saint'.
Jesuits as scientific originators? Pfffff. They are the worst sort of panderers, followers and sophists. As such, they offer the world nothing new. They eschew independence...and so revelation is denied them. They are indeed as cunning as they are twisted, but they offer nothing new, nor good.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Maybe you're the one who should brush up on your history if you're using Napoleon Bonaparte to counter despotism and abuses of Power. Ye,s the Society of Jesus is patterned after a military organization because their founder, SAINT Ignatius of Loyola, was a former soldier. Feel free to ignore the advances of Jesuits in science (the Big Bang Theory being one) but it is utterly illogical and does a disservice to history if you discount their influence in creating the modern university system.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
I used a construct of the Jesuit, and one well used to wielding power, to highlight the valid...in his own words.
The SJ is a military order, and was charged by the Pope and Council of Trent with destroying the heretic wheresoever he may be, without regard to rank. This was to be achieved by Theology, Inquisition, Torture, Subterfuge, and base Military Intervention.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I will also feel free to ignore any supposed advance by the Jesuit in any science. In much the same way as Leonardo de Pisa SJ (Fibonacci) promoted himself as the discoverer of a numerical system already well developed in the east (long extant in Vedic and Egyptian systems), the Jesuit who laid claim to the concept of all originating from fullness and recursing back into fullness (big bang to black hole) was merely a repetition of long established gnostic and vedic cosmology.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
As to the quality of Jesuit 'education' in particular, or church based 'education' in general we have for the readers consideration:
The cleansing of the Encyclopeadia Brittanica after 1911 of many statements embarrassing to the Church, and quite historically valid. Additionally, the explanations of philosophies contrary to RCC doctrine and Christianity are cut in some instances by up to 2/3 their former size and content.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Let us look to the Modus Operandi of both the Jesuit and the Church throughout history and across the Globe...
First they come as friends.
Next they educate and employ their domestic products to foment discord within the country and act as traitors to their homelands. Thus the very valid statement that not all americans are American, not all christians Christian...etc etc.
Finally, they try to invite foreign conceptions and troops to subject their former friends to their will.
Rome, in toto
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Not NEARLY "in todo," but I shall not pursue that here. What Christianity does, as opposed to Islam or nearly any other religion or ideology, is to use whatever is good in the culture to lead it to the truth. It leaves intact most systems of governance and merely changes the religion. Most abuses that occur and that are blamed on the Church are committed by catholic civil leaders and clergy acting without the approval of, and even against, the Church.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
We shall not get into a debate regarding the relative merits and quality of different forms of Mystery School (Religion) that exist in the world. They are all in error, to one extent or another, by the design and intent of parasites.
Whether one names something Christianity, or Islam, or Buddhism....or any other limiting of the Godhead...the thing remains what it is. And Christianity (as applied) holds no patent, nor even the high ground, on attempting to improve the human condition.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Have you ever considered that all Philosophies are not equal? Especially since the Church has had several more centuries of research and thought on her philosophy than any opposition.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Yes...I have. However, your term 'Philosophy' and mine differ greatly.
Rome has ever changed the meaning of base Word over time to suit its own needs.
The only valid form of Philosophy, the world over, is that which may be proofed geometrically/mathematically. All else is rhetoric/opinion in the service of whomsoever is paying the supposed 'philosphers' way.
Note the thing by the fruit of the vine. Europe did not advance under the reign of the church and the nobility. She faded.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The testimony of the early Church is very clear that the doctrines have never been changed, only clarified. The Apologia of Justin Martyr in the second century clearly and unambiguously lays out the belief in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, Ignatius of Antioch clearly states in his letter to the Ephesians (AD 151), "Wherever Jesus is, There is the Catholic Church." On the other note, nearly all civilization attests to the validity of Platonic and Aristotelian Philosophy, which are not math.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Platonic and Aristotelian philosophies may be geometrically proofed, thus mathematically based.
Valid aspects of philosophy inherent in the Bible are also proofed.
More sophistry.
The enneagram may well be self referencing, however doing so in the larger context of the Church generating rhetoric supportive of its own goals and ends is less than honorable.
You lay claim to historic personages who were not in any way supportive of Rome? Interesting, if invalid, tactic.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Please show me these proofs for I am genuinely interested in geometrical proofs to spiritual truth. I did not get an email notice of that last reply so could you please explain the inversions and "Unity" Thank you.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Rome already has advantage enough.
The flame shifts to the worthy.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
It saddens me that you would not exert your full efforts to bring others to the Truth, being the sole end of all religion, philosophy and learning.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
You can rest assured that I exert my full efforts to that end daily.
The caveat remains - cast not your pearls before swine.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I'm sorry you feel that way.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
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dsydebot 1 day ago
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@abbesieyes eometry and Mathematics are closed systems, the validity of which Gödel proved could not be demonstrated from within. Besides, the concept of "quantity", which mathematics studies, is derived from sensible objects with extension. Philosophy, therefore, must start with the objects of sense, reason to the senses themselves, and from there abstract higher principles. Mathematics is among those principles, but is not anterior to them.
dsydebot 1 day ago
I apologize, Georges Lemaître was just a Catholic diocesean priest, not a Jesuit, but he was educated in a Jesuit school. He was the man who first came up with the Scientific hypothesis of the big bang in 1927 to explain the red-shift in the galaxies.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
As I've stated, he took a well etablished system...and attempted to paint it as his own. There is nothing in the Jesuit that is new...or good.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
You just don't understand the scientific inquiry necessary to come up with a valid theory of that magnitude. The line of thinking that you apply strictly to the Jesuits can be applied to anyone who ever had an idea. The scientific evidence necessary to validate that theory went far beyond merely restating an old Vedic myth.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
It would be great if you could actually cite Papal Bulls to back up your claims because the Council of Trent was called to resolve the Doctrine and Morality of the Church and has absolutely no authority in secular matters. The misleading stereotype of the Jesuit with his Inquisitorial entourage and the rack to destroy Heretics is simply false. To Be Continued . . .
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
The Spanish Inquisition cite, was the largest of the Inquisitions of the Counter-Reformation. History shows us that the persecuted parties were exclusively Jews and Muslims, not Protestants or heretics. Moreover, the Spanish Inquisition was entirely run and mismanaged by the Lords and Kings of Spain. This is consistent with the Church's teaching toward the Jewish People. The no one was ever sanctioned to use torture by the Church because the confession would then be invalid.
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
Counter Reformation and Inquisition has never ended. It was, and continues to be, global.
Our discourse is about at an end, as there can be no dialogue when one side persists in denial and lie.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
"I come to testify to the Truth and all who belong to the Truth hear my voice." Jn 18:37
AldaronLorem 2 years ago
MisForMicheal, Times have been worse. Remeber the great depression, WW2, Vietnam? We are truely blessed.
Snotra 3 years ago
We live in such an ugly world now.
MisForMichael 3 years ago
I was raised a devout Methodist. Yet my mother had me watch Bishop Fulton Sheen on television every week. I'm still a Methodist, but I plan to convert to Roman Catholicism before I die and make my final confession. This is the impact Bishop Sheen has had on me.
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