all of the 911 hijackers were from saudi arabia, lebanon, UAE, egypt, syria? not one came from iraq and afghanistan. why are we spending billions of tax money to create a new nation there? forget that. let them eat rocks.
not the Truman nor Bush Doctrine, not even the Monroe Doctrine, how abou the Teddy Rooselvelt Doctrine break up the monopolies, corporations, etc. by the way this is a great, fantastic, wonderful channel
Keep the good work South Avenger, its people like who remind me that there are brave individuals who are intelligent and aware of what is really going on. so many are fools to the distorted information fed to us from our press Ron Paul 2012!
One thing I think all war supporters forget is that America is broke. They say "We have to bring freedom to the region. They want what we want." That is nice but with what money? Forget the Constitution. Where is the money? The gov't gets about 2 trillion dollars in taxes per year and yet runs up a DEFICIT EVERY YEAR. Oh yeah, we have a $100 TRILLION debt according to the Dallas Federal Reserve. The world'sGDP is about 50 TRILLION. It would take the world YEARS to pay for our debt alone.
This morning I get to know from the european press here - I don't know if true - that now Obama deems a good idea to implement the preentive war principle using nuclear weapons. In other words, he could launch a preemtive nuclear attacks. I don't dare to imagine what would have happened if Bush had stated such a thing.
Do you want to know why you havent heard of any soldiers fighting off terrorists? because its fuckin classified.
The majority of the afghan people welcome Americans because they want what we have in our country. I've been twice and have never had to fire my weapon but the people were so gracious as we walked through.
There are more than 100 evil towel-heads runnin around in afghanistan. We just dont know where they are.
I agree that 9/11 was an inside job, and to watch this otherwise good commentator drop the ball on the issue. I mean, anyone who gets to write for a remotely mainstream magazine is gonna have a 99.9% chance of being ignorant on the 9/11 issue. He's no Alex Jones, but he's worth a subscription.
I've heard several reports from my friends in Iraq and Afghanistan Active Duty are not even aloud to engage the "Terrorist." In Iraq, they have to contact the local Iraq police to go after them and in Afghanistan, our troops can't even do Jack Shit.
So why are we there again?
I lean to the theory of Geo-Strategic positioning due to Peak Oil. And using our US Military to threaten any OPEC Countries to stay on the Petro-dollar.
Al Qaeda does not, and has never existed. It is a word used by the CIA to describe a loose bunch of "persons of interest". It was derived from the CIA's database. They dropped the word data and called them "the base". "The Base" in English is literally translated "Al Qaeda" in Arabic. Though it ought to be spelt Al CIAda.
More Google: top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication
To the Southern Avenger, I have to ask this question. Why can't there be more "conservatives" like yourself? Thank you for always providing rational insights on subjects when I both agree and disagree with you...
Obama said in election speeches he was always going to ADD more troops in Afghanistan.... lefties apparently didn't listen to speeches before they voted and now ACT surprised that he is doing what he outlined more than a year ago as his Afghan policy.
And all this time i thought it was same people who attacked the Liberty in 67 that attacked us on 911. Thanks Avenger for straightening me out on who the "real" terrorists are.
Maybe Obama just wants to impress neocons. That's the only reason I can think of why he'd do this. And that's retarded, because those who hate him will always hate him no matter what. I do laugh at when neocons who voted for Bush accuse Obama of being "too soft" on foreign policy. In some ways, he's harder than Bush, and that sucks.
when will people wake up and get out of this false "left-right" paradigm which is simply nothing more than a distraction from the REAL issues that are affecting our country, it is this simple bush is not a conservative and obama is not a liberal, they are both big government war-mongerers, debt enslavers, totalitarian ...lovers that works mostly for the interests of wall street bankers, corporations and the elite
The new boss (Obama) is starting to look more like the old boss (George Walker Bush jr). His policies, both domestic and foreign are looking more and more like Bush's. We are nation building in Africa and the Middle East while our nation crubles. We drop food and water off in third world nations in Africa and Asia only so they spawn more children who will need more of our food water and money.
The most surprising thing about Obama sending more troops is that people were actually surprised by it. He is not a liberal or a conservative, he is a moderate. And now we're going to give the Afghanis more reasons (not to mention more dead bodies) to be mad at us.
I normally have to agree with you, but I do have to site ya for a foul. McChrystal words must almost assuredly be taken out of context. He asked for far many more troops than Obama is sending. If there are only 100 combatants and that is not a problem, why did he ask for more? The whole picture is not being given in this case. Not to say your conclusions are wrong, only your presentation of the facts in this instance.
War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death
watch?v=KN5vxOw9Elk
America needs to WAKE UP NOW!!
I am *Astounded* that the President mentions that this is not another Vietnam. *Vietnam Syndrome* the same *Rhetoric* used by Reagan and Bush 41, You see people, even President Obama has fallen into the clutches of the Military Industrial Complex.? We thought an African American elected President would change things but I guess NOT.
When are you people gonna understand, the power in America isn't in the President, its in the hands of lobbyists, the president is a politician, a Public Relations spokesman for the US government. Lobbyists own Washington DC.
I can't look at Obama in the face anymore, I'm now convinced he's completely full of shit; Just like Bush and every other president.
This man doesn't have any real power to make any change, he was probably called into some office by his bigger bosses to ensure more troops go to Afghanistan... or ELSE!
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it give boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore by your constant companion of your walks - Thomas Jefferson. With out troops out of the country dont be surprised to see more legislation taking away your rights.
Of the 30,00 troops gathering to go fight in A'stan, how many do you believe are true patriots? Exactly!!! Ship our freedom loving fighters overseas where they can't come back when the battle for the USSA is declared against the American people.
With apologies to the Avenger, they are in the US and the west and they want to take it over. They will do it peacefully if possible, but once the demographics turn their way they will push the envelope. That has been the history of Islam and it hasn't changed in over a thousand years.
No, you cannot determine who gets into the country, because you have no power. The people who can control who gets into your own country want more Muslims, and more of every other group on earth until your nation loses its ethnic character.
What are you going to do about it, vote for the other party?
Dude, what the fuck are you on about, Christians preach the gospel but you don't see me grasping my bible all of a sudden. And you say "once the demographics turn their way" you're suggesting that the majority of Americans was convert to Islam and be so conservative as to support an Islamic State.
The most common name in Belgium is Mohammed. The Archbishop of Canterbury has actually advocated adopting Shariah Law in Britain. So in a word, No I am not kidding you. Wake up.
Lol, Mohammed is the most commonly used name on Earth, but there are far more Christians on Earth than muslims. And being called Mohammed doesn't make you a Muslim.
As for the Archbishop of Canterbury, I think he was actually saying Muslims should have the right to their own Sharia-like laws when it comes to inheritence and family code, I'm not too sure about that.
Invalid argument. Steven is the most common name in the English speaking world. How many "Steves" are there in Saudi Arabia or anywhere among the Ummah?
The point is that Islam is making inroads into Europe. Look at the projected demographics. Have you studied the Qu'ran? How about the Hadith? Could you. perhaps explain what Dar al Harb means? Muslims in the UK should understand that the society is governed by UK law, not Shariah, and their cases need be brought foward in UK courts only.
This is a relatively new movement, it ill be shortlived, if people don't want to convert they won't convert, simple as that.
Listen. When islam was founded by the so-called prophet Mohammed, the social doctrines made sense (more or less), same goes for Christianity, and I'll bet you my left ball that the Bible contains some pretty fucked up passages, but you don't see Rednecks going on witchhunts (anymore).
Radical Islam is relatively new, the movement with die soon enough.
And also, a majority of Muslims by all means does not mean an installement of Sharia Law, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey are a few examples of countries with a secular government despite a Muslim population.
Islam cannot be divided from Islamism. They are one in the same. Bin Laden is correct on his reading of the Qur'an. Most Muslims are just not that interested but that does not mean that Bin Laden and his ilk are not correct in their readings. I have read the Qur'an and they are right on target (pardon the pun).
Hang on, I happen to have a Koran, let me find you a random passage...
The copy I have is in french so I will have to offer a loose translation.
"For the dispersers who disperse, who wear their charge, who are agile, who transmit order, yes, the promise made to you is true, yes, judgement awaits."
This is highly ambiguous and can be interepreted in so many different ways, this is commonplace in this book. And also, the original was written in Arabic, the translation itslelf can be disputed.
You didn't cite the passage, but I have one here that I will cite. It is from one of my copies of the Qur'an in English; 9:5 "And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, beseige them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush..." As a Christian and believer in the Trinity the message from Mohammed here is clear. I don't thing ambiguity comes in here at all. As an LDS in light of Psalm 82, there is much to fear.
The exact same thing could be said of your beliefs. The only difference is, I choose NOT to believe in something that has not a single shred of evidence to support it.
You then criticise another religion that is so fucking similar to yours.
"The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the LORD your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
Nothing like some of that olde timey religion to instil family values. yessir.
shame? What for? He got paid for it.. if his supporters actually looked at who was paying his bills then (and those of McCain), it was mighty clear what he was going to do. He did not cheat anyone, nor did he change his mind. If people are eager to be fooled.. they will be.
Yeah, you right. I was just saying it's a shame since our young men & women now have to go fight nothing and possibly die for 100 pussy extremists in the desert.
Our young men and women (actually more than them, our old men and women) should have the self-preservation instinct not to get involved in messy things like war. Hopefully the empire will collapse before they are harmed.
I find it odd that Obama embraces Republican foreign policy, yet Republicans hate Obama's foreign policy (or so they claim). Looks like the modern Republican Party will just oppose anything Obama does, simply because he's a Democrat.
I find it equally odd that you think we should put our collective heads in the sand and pull for Ron Paul who will garner 2% of the popular vote.
Republicans who do not support Obama foreign policy disagree with treating terrorists like American shoplifters. Reading miranda rights on the battlefield, and "dithering" for months on end before reaching a decision. Yes, Obama is a war-time president, but there is a big difference between the policies.
Oh Crap, I forgot about the Centrist Party. Who did they roll out in the last election?
Third party politics do not succeed, nor have they ever succeeded. You have to take over one of the current parties, similar to how the 60's radical statist has hijacked the democratic party.
I'm a Canadian, which is evident if you looked at my profile. And I'm sorry, do I need to affiliate myself with a party? What's wrong with being independent?
I love Canada. My direct family came from Canada. You're right, you don't necessarily need to associate with a specific party. You have found a party, which I respect, BTW, that likely matches your principles. However, down here, factions will only succeed at strengthening the democratic party. This has been proven time after time throughout the last 100 years.
Choosing between an establishment R or establishment D is like picking your favorite between a shit sandwich and a puke shake. Good luck quantifying which one is worse.
What few people seem to realize is that CIA evidence suggests that the 9/11 attacks recieved funding from certain members of the Saudi royal family. This is the same group that is spending billions to erect wahabi preaching mosques all over europe, and literally doing everything they can to make the whole world submit to their 7th century barbaric cult. If there is any "curing" the terrorist problem, it would be found in instituting a regime change in saudi arabia, not iraq or afghanistan.
I know all about your "islamic golden age" historical revisionist bullshit, and I also know why it don't count for shit in terms of islam's practical application, especially with regards to the 21st century. Islam may have been liberal for its time, but the practices it employed in the 7th century are fucking savage by today's standard. Saudi arabia uses them, and that is why they are the pinnacle of insanity.
That's precisely why I brought it up in the first place, dumbass. It's also why It would have been great if John Kerry had been elected in 04. Unlike Obama, Kerry actually showed initiative towards breaking off ties with the saudis and becoming more self-reliant. Obama's a fucking pussy.
all of the 911 hijackers were from saudi arabia, lebanon, UAE, egypt, syria? not one came from iraq and afghanistan. why are we spending billions of tax money to create a new nation there? forget that. let them eat rocks.
Rico8458 1 year ago
not the Truman nor Bush Doctrine, not even the Monroe Doctrine, how abou the Teddy Rooselvelt Doctrine break up the monopolies, corporations, etc. by the way this is a great, fantastic, wonderful channel
Rico8458 1 year ago
Keep the good work South Avenger, its people like who remind me that there are brave individuals who are intelligent and aware of what is really going on. so many are fools to the distorted information fed to us from our press Ron Paul 2012!
kopitetommy 1 year ago
One thing I think all war supporters forget is that America is broke. They say "We have to bring freedom to the region. They want what we want." That is nice but with what money? Forget the Constitution. Where is the money? The gov't gets about 2 trillion dollars in taxes per year and yet runs up a DEFICIT EVERY YEAR. Oh yeah, we have a $100 TRILLION debt according to the Dallas Federal Reserve. The world'sGDP is about 50 TRILLION. It would take the world YEARS to pay for our debt alone.
Tasadaru 1 year ago
This morning I get to know from the european press here - I don't know if true - that now Obama deems a good idea to implement the preentive war principle using nuclear weapons. In other words, he could launch a preemtive nuclear attacks. I don't dare to imagine what would have happened if Bush had stated such a thing.
Durchbrechen 1 year ago
Do you want to know why you havent heard of any soldiers fighting off terrorists? because its fuckin classified.
The majority of the afghan people welcome Americans because they want what we have in our country. I've been twice and have never had to fire my weapon but the people were so gracious as we walked through.
There are more than 100 evil towel-heads runnin around in afghanistan. We just dont know where they are.
BornToKill785 2 years ago
Absolute poetry, 5 Stars from me.
Cheers.
jmaros15 2 years ago
I agree that 9/11 was an inside job, and to watch this otherwise good commentator drop the ball on the issue. I mean, anyone who gets to write for a remotely mainstream magazine is gonna have a 99.9% chance of being ignorant on the 9/11 issue. He's no Alex Jones, but he's worth a subscription.
lifewisdomhappiness 2 years ago
Too bad 9/11 was an inside job. I like the Southern Avenger, except when he opens his mouth about 9/11. He looks like an ignoramus.
pkpk5770 2 years ago
The CHANGE that wasn't.....
AmericanAvenger1 2 years ago
Same shit, different president.
I've heard several reports from my friends in Iraq and Afghanistan Active Duty are not even aloud to engage the "Terrorist." In Iraq, they have to contact the local Iraq police to go after them and in Afghanistan, our troops can't even do Jack Shit.
So why are we there again?
I lean to the theory of Geo-Strategic positioning due to Peak Oil. And using our US Military to threaten any OPEC Countries to stay on the Petro-dollar.
c1fuzzles 2 years ago
This video wins just for the Al Qaeda/herpes saying. Well done.
loszhor 2 years ago
Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack.... !
Al Qaeda does not, and has never existed. It is a word used by the CIA to describe a loose bunch of "persons of interest". It was derived from the CIA's database. They dropped the word data and called them "the base". "The Base" in English is literally translated "Al Qaeda" in Arabic. Though it ought to be spelt Al CIAda.
More Google: top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication
israelandersonvideo 2 years ago
The sad fact is: there is NO al qaeda conspiracy...al qaeda is only a list of extremists who aren't even organized. Fraud.
nuveausapien 2 years ago 3
To the Southern Avenger, I have to ask this question. Why can't there be more "conservatives" like yourself? Thank you for always providing rational insights on subjects when I both agree and disagree with you...
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago 2
Clip IS wrong!!!
Obama said in election speeches he was always going to ADD more troops in Afghanistan.... lefties apparently didn't listen to speeches before they voted and now ACT surprised that he is doing what he outlined more than a year ago as his Afghan policy.
slizzler1 2 years ago 2
@slizzler1 Barack "W" Obama
CarryANationIII 2 years ago
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slizzler1 2 years ago
And all this time i thought it was same people who attacked the Liberty in 67 that attacked us on 911. Thanks Avenger for straightening me out on who the "real" terrorists are.
cdimmm 2 years ago
Obama: The banksters' puppet in Ameristan.
RCinPAWA 2 years ago 5
Maybe Obama just wants to impress neocons. That's the only reason I can think of why he'd do this. And that's retarded, because those who hate him will always hate him no matter what. I do laugh at when neocons who voted for Bush accuse Obama of being "too soft" on foreign policy. In some ways, he's harder than Bush, and that sucks.
badtown88 2 years ago
I'd feel really embarrassed and betrayed if I had voted for Obama. Luckily I voted for Ralph Nader!
6of6 2 years ago 4
when will people wake up and get out of this false "left-right" paradigm which is simply nothing more than a distraction from the REAL issues that are affecting our country, it is this simple bush is not a conservative and obama is not a liberal, they are both big government war-mongerers, debt enslavers, totalitarian ...lovers that works mostly for the interests of wall street bankers, corporations and the elite
iamnotasheep1989 2 years ago 14
That is 100% fact!
da324 2 years ago
@iamnotasheep1989 You hit the nail on the head!!
waterhead001 1 year ago
@iamnotasheep1989 And how do you feel about the French Revolution?
therealaj123 9 months ago
Well said. Like Russia we will leave there soon and like them we will be bankrupt. Heck we already are!
ronheri 2 years ago
The new boss (Obama) is starting to look more like the old boss (George Walker Bush jr). His policies, both domestic and foreign are looking more and more like Bush's. We are nation building in Africa and the Middle East while our nation crubles. We drop food and water off in third world nations in Africa and Asia only so they spawn more children who will need more of our food water and money.
therepublicanknight 2 years ago 2
The most surprising thing about Obama sending more troops is that people were actually surprised by it. He is not a liberal or a conservative, he is a moderate. And now we're going to give the Afghanis more reasons (not to mention more dead bodies) to be mad at us.
smallmaniac 2 years ago
wonderful!!
zg76 2 years ago
I normally have to agree with you, but I do have to site ya for a foul. McChrystal words must almost assuredly be taken out of context. He asked for far many more troops than Obama is sending. If there are only 100 combatants and that is not a problem, why did he ask for more? The whole picture is not being given in this case. Not to say your conclusions are wrong, only your presentation of the facts in this instance.
nicodemous52 2 years ago
What does it mean that Jack and Michael Moore make identical arguments? Sky is falling?
granulorhoek 2 years ago
Neverending war. Thanks, Obama...
tattypatty 2 years ago
USA overcame Soviet Union by luring them into a war in Afghanistan which bankrupt their economy. Now USA faces the same fate, it's poetic justice
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago 2
Herpes-eww, gross.
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death
watch?v=KN5vxOw9Elk
America needs to WAKE UP NOW!!
I am *Astounded* that the President mentions that this is not another Vietnam. *Vietnam Syndrome* the same *Rhetoric* used by Reagan and Bush 41, You see people, even President Obama has fallen into the clutches of the Military Industrial Complex.? We thought an African American elected President would change things but I guess NOT.
texas224 2 years ago
Another great video SA, one of your best!
kpscully 2 years ago
Thank you Jack. Once again right on the money.
wafflehutguy 2 years ago
you are SO right on!!
kellann55 2 years ago
At 3:41 do those unpopular regimes include the state of Israel?
Cheedillow 2 years ago
When are you people gonna understand, the power in America isn't in the President, its in the hands of lobbyists, the president is a politician, a Public Relations spokesman for the US government. Lobbyists own Washington DC.
Cheedillow 2 years ago 2
I can't look at Obama in the face anymore, I'm now convinced he's completely full of shit; Just like Bush and every other president.
This man doesn't have any real power to make any change, he was probably called into some office by his bigger bosses to ensure more troops go to Afghanistan... or ELSE!
I'm done with Obama.
XorGate0110 2 years ago 4
Has this "President" EVER kept any of his pledges to the people ?
Excellent work, SA !
snakeskin2u2 2 years ago 4
Yes he has. He said he was going to step up the war in afghanistan, and it looks like he's doing a nice job.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
awesome!
CivilRadiant 2 years ago 3
nice work, SA.
immayhem 2 years ago 6
Is it just me or is this video not working?
Southwesttwo 2 years ago
lol.
Al Qaeda = Herpes.
FatLibertarian 2 years ago 2
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it give boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore by your constant companion of your walks - Thomas Jefferson. With out troops out of the country dont be surprised to see more legislation taking away your rights.
MrHappy702 2 years ago
thats the best TJ quote i think ive ever seen!!
utmost11 2 years ago
Of the 30,00 troops gathering to go fight in A'stan, how many do you believe are true patriots? Exactly!!! Ship our freedom loving fighters overseas where they can't come back when the battle for the USSA is declared against the American people.
Downfacingdog 2 years ago
With apologies to the Avenger, they are in the US and the west and they want to take it over. They will do it peacefully if possible, but once the demographics turn their way they will push the envelope. That has been the history of Islam and it hasn't changed in over a thousand years.
steve0281 2 years ago
are we helpless when it comes to demographics.....can we not determine who gets in to our own country??
utmost11 2 years ago 2
Yes. But does government have the will to execute their duties?
steve0281 2 years ago
No, you cannot determine who gets into the country, because you have no power. The people who can control who gets into your own country want more Muslims, and more of every other group on earth until your nation loses its ethnic character.
What are you going to do about it, vote for the other party?
CarryANationIII 2 years ago
Dude, what the fuck are you on about, Christians preach the gospel but you don't see me grasping my bible all of a sudden. And you say "once the demographics turn their way" you're suggesting that the majority of Americans was convert to Islam and be so conservative as to support an Islamic State.
Stop being so ridiculous.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Tell that to the Byzantines.
steve0281 2 years ago
@steve0281
Lol are you fucking kidding me?
Cheedillow 2 years ago
The most common name in Belgium is Mohammed. The Archbishop of Canterbury has actually advocated adopting Shariah Law in Britain. So in a word, No I am not kidding you. Wake up.
steve0281 2 years ago
@steve0281
Lol, Mohammed is the most commonly used name on Earth, but there are far more Christians on Earth than muslims. And being called Mohammed doesn't make you a Muslim.
As for the Archbishop of Canterbury, I think he was actually saying Muslims should have the right to their own Sharia-like laws when it comes to inheritence and family code, I'm not too sure about that.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Invalid argument. Steven is the most common name in the English speaking world. How many "Steves" are there in Saudi Arabia or anywhere among the Ummah?
The point is that Islam is making inroads into Europe. Look at the projected demographics. Have you studied the Qu'ran? How about the Hadith? Could you. perhaps explain what Dar al Harb means? Muslims in the UK should understand that the society is governed by UK law, not Shariah, and their cases need be brought foward in UK courts only.
steve0281 2 years ago 2
@steve0281
This is a relatively new movement, it ill be shortlived, if people don't want to convert they won't convert, simple as that.
Listen. When islam was founded by the so-called prophet Mohammed, the social doctrines made sense (more or less), same goes for Christianity, and I'll bet you my left ball that the Bible contains some pretty fucked up passages, but you don't see Rednecks going on witchhunts (anymore).
Radical Islam is relatively new, the movement with die soon enough.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
It has been going on for about 1500 years. I don't see it ebbing any time too soon.
steve0281 2 years ago
What are going on about, the radical movement started in the wake of the 20th century...
Cheedillow 2 years ago
@steve0281
And also, a majority of Muslims by all means does not mean an installement of Sharia Law, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey are a few examples of countries with a secular government despite a Muslim population.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
When 99% of the population is already observing Shariah in their daily lives does it matter what the government does?
steve0281 2 years ago
Yes, it does. Now I see your true colours, its not islamism that scares you it's islam itself.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Islam cannot be divided from Islamism. They are one in the same. Bin Laden is correct on his reading of the Qur'an. Most Muslims are just not that interested but that does not mean that Bin Laden and his ilk are not correct in their readings. I have read the Qur'an and they are right on target (pardon the pun).
steve0281 2 years ago
Hang on, I happen to have a Koran, let me find you a random passage...
The copy I have is in french so I will have to offer a loose translation.
"For the dispersers who disperse, who wear their charge, who are agile, who transmit order, yes, the promise made to you is true, yes, judgement awaits."
This is highly ambiguous and can be interepreted in so many different ways, this is commonplace in this book. And also, the original was written in Arabic, the translation itslelf can be disputed.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
You didn't cite the passage, but I have one here that I will cite. It is from one of my copies of the Qur'an in English; 9:5 "And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, beseige them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush..." As a Christian and believer in the Trinity the message from Mohammed here is clear. I don't thing ambiguity comes in here at all. As an LDS in light of Psalm 82, there is much to fear.
steve0281 2 years ago
Lol, I can guarantee you that there is another passage that contradicts that one.
And I don't know how to cite passages, I don't get the numerical system.
Anyway, I'm done with you, you are irrational.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
You would like to think so, anyway. Have fun in LaLa Land!
steve0281 2 years ago
You're the one who believes in a magical man in the sky.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Indeed I do. And your denial of something that you can neither prove nor disprove makes you insane. Take your meds.
steve0281 2 years ago
@steve0281
The exact same thing could be said of your beliefs. The only difference is, I choose NOT to believe in something that has not a single shred of evidence to support it.
You then criticise another religion that is so fucking similar to yours.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
You choose to ignore evidences that you find distasteful. That is not the same thing as having a realistic world view.
And please spare me your post-modernist deconstructionalism. It is irrelevent to anything of importance.
steve0281 2 years ago
Denial of something for which there is no proof is being rational. Believing in something in which you cannot prove is not rational.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
Define "proof."
steve0281 2 years ago
proof - something that induces certainty or establishes validity.
Remember that the onus probandi is on you my friend for putting forward the idea that a God exists.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
You Logical Positivists have had your day. It is time to get a more relevant philosophy.
steve0281 2 years ago
Looking back throughout history one can see a trend.
As God falls out of style for scientific explanations, and empiricism rises man makes greater and greater advances in science.
There is a correlation.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
That is ridiculous. Galileo, Copernicus, Mendel, Newton, Einstein, Jefferson, etc, were all religious to one degree or another.
steve0281 2 years ago
While we're citing passages from fairy tales I got a nice one for you.
Deuteronomy 17:12
"The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the LORD your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
Nothing like some of that olde timey religion to instil family values. yessir.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
Spare me your idiocy. You really should get a more productive hobby.
steve0281 2 years ago
Don't criticize other religions if you aren't prepared to have yours put up to the chopping block.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
Bring it.
steve0281 2 years ago
I just took a look at your page. Seems like you have a bit of a bias.
steve0281 2 years ago
@steve0281
What do you mean?
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Steve is right. Look at Europe.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
@HarrySeeword
I live in London, and I've met more fundamentalist Christians than I have fundamentalist Muslims.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Invalid argument. I lived in Saudi Arabia and I met more fundamentalist Muslims than I met fundamentalist Christians.
steve0281 2 years ago
No, 9/11 was plotted in Virginia (CIA and NSA).
My God, do some research Avenger. 9/11 was such an inside job it's not funny.
yakir27127 2 years ago
FYI; NSA is not in Virginia.
steve0281 2 years ago
I know. There are probably dozens of locations where they plotted and carried out the attack. I won't name all of them.
yakir27127 2 years ago
obambi is bush
cosmosgato 2 years ago
Yes he did adopt the Bush doctrine. And it's a damn shame...
Nawledge1 2 years ago 2
shame? What for? He got paid for it.. if his supporters actually looked at who was paying his bills then (and those of McCain), it was mighty clear what he was going to do. He did not cheat anyone, nor did he change his mind. If people are eager to be fooled.. they will be.
utubehayter 2 years ago
Yeah, you right. I was just saying it's a shame since our young men & women now have to go fight nothing and possibly die for 100 pussy extremists in the desert.
Nawledge1 2 years ago 2
Our young men and women (actually more than them, our old men and women) should have the self-preservation instinct not to get involved in messy things like war. Hopefully the empire will collapse before they are harmed.
utubehayter 2 years ago 4
I find it odd that Obama embraces Republican foreign policy, yet Republicans hate Obama's foreign policy (or so they claim). Looks like the modern Republican Party will just oppose anything Obama does, simply because he's a Democrat.
Deltaego 2 years ago
I find it equally odd that you think we should put our collective heads in the sand and pull for Ron Paul who will garner 2% of the popular vote.
Republicans who do not support Obama foreign policy disagree with treating terrorists like American shoplifters. Reading miranda rights on the battlefield, and "dithering" for months on end before reaching a decision. Yes, Obama is a war-time president, but there is a big difference between the policies.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
I'm not a Libertarian. I'm a Centrist.
Deltaego 2 years ago
Nobody's perfect.
AustinW90 2 years ago
Oh Crap, I forgot about the Centrist Party. Who did they roll out in the last election?
Third party politics do not succeed, nor have they ever succeeded. You have to take over one of the current parties, similar to how the 60's radical statist has hijacked the democratic party.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
Wrong.
Republicans used to be a third party.
803honda 2 years ago 2
150 years ago? You get the point.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
I'm a Canadian, which is evident if you looked at my profile. And I'm sorry, do I need to affiliate myself with a party? What's wrong with being independent?
Not everyone is a party factionalist like you.
Deltaego 2 years ago 2
I love Canada. My direct family came from Canada. You're right, you don't necessarily need to associate with a specific party. You have found a party, which I respect, BTW, that likely matches your principles. However, down here, factions will only succeed at strengthening the democratic party. This has been proven time after time throughout the last 100 years.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
Choosing between an establishment R or establishment D is like picking your favorite between a shit sandwich and a puke shake. Good luck quantifying which one is worse.
immanent 2 years ago
Ain't nothing wrong with being independent.
In fact, I don't care who you vote for, just don't for the parties.
Vote on principle!
Weapon01 2 years ago 4
Absolutely PERFECT! Excellent!!
bighead15044 2 years ago
War was bad last year, but war is AWESOME now that we have a democrat in office.
Hope and Change FTW!
Morrakiu 2 years ago 5
LMAOOOOOO
Nawledge1 2 years ago
And Everyone who doesn't like him Is A Racist Right-wing nut who Listens to Glenn Beck Religiously and Jacks off to Sarah Palin.
Apptendo 2 years ago
And giving Bernanke another term as Fed Chairman is CHANGE, and de-regulation caused the financial crisis.
I'm a liberal statist, and I drink 8 glasses of water per day, always laced with mercury from fluorescent light bulbs.
Morrakiu 2 years ago 2
@Apptendo You forgot :-)
cosmosgato 2 years ago
Nicely put.
AustinW90 2 years ago
No shit. Exactly. Didn't MSNBC have a nightly US soldier body count graphic? Haven't seen that since...hmmm...around Jan. 20th?
HarrySeeword 2 years ago 3
I disagree with mr Avenger on the 911 part.
AiresQX4 2 years ago
Awsome video brother!!
5* and faved!!!
MrGETitGOTit 2 years ago 2
What few people seem to realize is that CIA evidence suggests that the 9/11 attacks recieved funding from certain members of the Saudi royal family. This is the same group that is spending billions to erect wahabi preaching mosques all over europe, and literally doing everything they can to make the whole world submit to their 7th century barbaric cult. If there is any "curing" the terrorist problem, it would be found in instituting a regime change in saudi arabia, not iraq or afghanistan.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago 2
@LordClydeofOMAR
Islamophobes like yourself like to ignore their Golden Age. Who is to blame for the rise of radical Islam in recent years?
Cheedillow 2 years ago
I know all about your "islamic golden age" historical revisionist bullshit, and I also know why it don't count for shit in terms of islam's practical application, especially with regards to the 21st century. Islam may have been liberal for its time, but the practices it employed in the 7th century are fucking savage by today's standard. Saudi arabia uses them, and that is why they are the pinnacle of insanity.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago
@LordClydeofOMAR
Yes and guess who very good friends with the Saudis, the USA, looks like your morals don't coincide with the foreign policy of your country.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
That's precisely why I brought it up in the first place, dumbass. It's also why It would have been great if John Kerry had been elected in 04. Unlike Obama, Kerry actually showed initiative towards breaking off ties with the saudis and becoming more self-reliant. Obama's a fucking pussy.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago
John Kerry is our saviour now?
Wait for it.....
bwahahahahahahahaha!
Eric21ND 2 years ago
@LordClydeofOMAR
I wrote in another comment that it doesn't matter who is in power, they are all politicians, and politicians are always partisan to an agenda.
Washington DC is polluted with lobbyists from Energy Companies and Arms Manufacturers, not to forget the infamous Israel lobby.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
"not to forget the infamous Israel lobby."
Fuck palestine. That's all I have to say on that subject.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago
I would honestly consider getting violent with a motherfucker like yourself.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
How very muslim of you.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago
How very human, you mean, humans have a long history of violence towards other humans.
Cheedillow 2 years ago
Not all humans.
LordClydeofOMAR 2 years ago
Awesome Work! I love how Ron Paul made Clinton and Gates admit they agree with the Bush Doctrine. Republicrats anyone?
helpendthefed 2 years ago 4
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jcNOVA88 2 years ago 3