First off.... I love knifes! But no way in hell would i pay 375 bucks for just 1.. I could get 2, 3, or even 4 High value Spyderco's or benchmades. for that kind of money... I would rather have more knifes. then 1 over priced over hyped CR.. Yea he makes "good knifes" but its not like its going to give me a reach around or a old fashion each time I use it..
@Neptuneknives My point though is that it should not be considered a "con" if that is not how the knife is supposed to function. If a car didn't drive on water would you say its not good? No, buy a boat. Same with knives. If it isn't designed for using a certain way, buy something more suited for what you want to do. Get a stronger folder or fixed blade. Don't bash a knife and give hits against it when you are showing failure that won't happen under ANYONE's normal use.
I don't understand how you can bash the knife for a lack of "features". The reason there is more than one knife on the market is so consumers can choose features they want. Why did you buy/choose a Sebenza if you don't find it to be so great? Sell it off if you don't like it instead of intentionally damaging it.You are also talking about using the knife for things it wasn't designed and meant for. Then you ADD water when you can't get the lock to fail. Read and learn more- post less.
@venomx4x4 yes I can appreciate the overall quality & detailed complexity of the knife & like talking with MR. Reeve on the phone now. But there is still a fact that is limited in design. Second i did this so people are aware of some of the sebenza's limits. It doesn't do very well with negative forces being applied to the spine dynamic or isometric. But it is a good knife & Mr. Reeve agrees on this with me that it's limits are fine. It has a use in mind & it's not tactical
@NeptuneKnives Part of the design philosophy as I understand was for the knife to be simple and a pure work knife. In that regard, it doesn't need to have "features"- that isn't the point. You should test the knife within its intended applications. Every knife will have limits especially if you use them in ways they aren't meant to be. For EDC/medium duty tasks, the Sebenza has been proven countless times. If used properly, it won't fail. A truly "bad" knife won't perform under intended use.
@venomx4x4 yes some knives don't meet their design goals like on a bunch of spydercos but the sebenza does seem very reliable for what you are saying. Trust me I like the knife but this vid is just to point out the cons & the price point. Please don't take it too seriously or dislike me for it cuz even CReeve is fine with this vid
@Jraptor1959 i agree, sabenza 21 is an awesome knife, It's like a ferrari. Yes there are supras out there for a quarter of the price that are faster but some people still prefer the ferrari for the design, the history and the build quality. I use my sabenza 21 as a pocket knife and i use it on tasks that it was designed for. ie opening packets, cutting zip ties food prep at the bbq, etc etc. I don't need multiple grips to stab someone and i sure as hell don't need to cut down a tree.
I'd agree with you that the lock failure is a bit inexcusable but you can't criticize the lack of features. First you knew what you were getting going in so there was no deception, second most people would argue that there is a beauty and elegance in simplicity. Features don't cost money, if you want a bunch of gadgets and features go buy a $20 CRKT, the thing you are paying for with a sebenza is the tolerance in the manufacturing and you definitely get it.
@FireBrand975 yes absolutely. Not e YT automatcially has this set to comments needing approval IDK why. Now did you se my vid comparing the centering of the sebenza vs sage 2 & strider. I'm defending the sebbies construction quality & tolerances! Go check it out I just posted it!
I'm sorry to say but I find your review very biased and has nearly no merit to it.
I don't see how and why taking abuse and torture should be included in the design scope of a Sebenza. Treat it with respect and it will last you forever. If you don't get the satisfaction you expect for the the money you paid, then you probably are not ready for the Sebenza. Interestingly enough, I find Sebenza the best in its price class(and all lower classes). I don't find it lacking any features I need or want.
@pj551016 Abuse? I would call the lock test fair. Any locking knife that fails that test is a joke. What does it mean to be "ready for the Sebenza"? How and why does one "get ready" for a poorly- and dangerously- designed, overpriced feature-bare knife? I do understand the defensiveness, though; if I paid through the nose for an item that someone proved was garbage, I'd be upset, too. I'd rather pay $400 for a Tenacious than $30 for a Sebenza.
@EDUTAMARIU Yes I can see that but many people do this comparison because the Sage2 is a tribute to the Sebenza. Sebenza is still good IMO just not my fav choice
and the car breaks, does that mean that porsches suck??? I rest my case. NK it seems you have an agenda here, maybe CRK hurt you in some way, but remember time heals all wounds my friend.
take care and be safe
PS i've owend CRK's and just bought another one....disclosure
@inu222003 you seem like a major prick. His test shows what would happen if you were using the knife in a deffensive situation and if there happened to be a sudden negative force on blade, etc. He never said to not buy this knife, just showed what it can and can't do and what you can expect in that situation. This knife is still nice and I am a fan of CR's product, not the person. Don't get all butt hurt over a video of someone's opinion. It's time to start acting like an adult.
@knifebunny05 Relax Buddy, its just my opinion. He has his, and i have mine dont be a hypocritical douche by bashing me for my opinions. FYI if you held the knife in a defensive posture, the pressure of your death grip on the knife due to your adrenaline pumping would help the lock bar slippage....PS try not to hit something with the back of your knife....thats the dull side ;)
@inu222003 That's a genius idea though for testing sounds scary & it won't simulate a 250lb guy falling onto the blade or you having it stuck in him & him moving rashly around but for whack sake genius I mean that. Who are you? Good idea but IDK why then r u defending the seb for tactical use cuz it's no no no for that. Please for every1 safety I know enough to know don't take a sebenza into a knife fight if such a shitty situation were to happen. I'm making new vids on knife defense & options
@inu222003 you seem like a major prick. His test shows what would happen if you were using the knife in a deffensive situation and if there happened to be a sudden negative force on blade, etc. He never said to not buy this knife, just showed what it can and can't do and what you can expect in that situation. This knife is still nice and I am a fan of CR's product, not the person. Don't get all butt hurt over a video of someone's opinion. It's time to start acting like an adult.
SONY doesnt drop you a letter saying sorry.YOU your self said that your paying for quality...so the price is justified IMHO.The sebbie is a cutting tool THATS IT! if you want a prybar,buy a prybar, if you want an axe, buy an axe.Cant fault the Sebbie for beeing made for a specific purpose.Thatrs like getting upset with my car for not beeing able to fly as well. You want options and features buy a swiss army knife! And as far as your "test" if i run a Porsche into a curb for a curb test
@inu222003 U r a trip sir but I agree that when it comes down to having a framelock last & slip VS not slip but wear out fast I slightly prefer having a knife like the sebenza cuz it's gona last my investment but I still fault the knife cuz even though my grip can help it, it being a lock that could slip should have a safety guard for the finger in case. Plus to note when you train with a knife to fight very VERY early on you learn that your grip is not that reliable. You may slack when hit but
@inu222003 you may be getting pounded on & try to still attack w the knife at which point your attention to your grip & your muscle control may be compromised. Knife fighting is hardcore & we're talking everyday users of the Sebbie prob don't train how to fight with it so in the event it's not a knife that's by default considering an inexperienced user in knife fighting. this is why serious tactical have big time grip & also you see finger holes like on karambits which hints that Im right
@NeptuneKnives Well, no. One on USN or BF theres a thread of someone battoning everything from wood, cinder block, and metal...Sebbie's blade can handle more than you or i can dish out, AND as you clearly showed in your video you were able to push the lock bat all the over to the opposite slab, Do another test where you push the bar all the over and tape it lightly to simulate a grip on it and I GUARANTEE you the bar wont fail, i would be more concerned about my minty custom with a 10% lockup
@inu222003 You know good point I would definitely love to test this sir but prob is the new sebenzas have this new lockup like mine because hearsay is CR changed it after my vids showing it fail. So for this one I kinda think you're probably 80-90% right it aint gona fail unless some grease or lint something like that is jammed but I critique the knife because the lacking features ya know? for the price? If I had a sebenza pre lock change I'd like to test it wonder if CR thought of what you did?
@NeptuneKnives Well i commend you sir, if your input helped Better a good american company's product...you are an asset to the knife community. We can share some common ground, CRK are not cheap....i agree, BUT worth it? to me yes. I'm glad we could have a friendly debate and discussion on knives, keep up the good videos, oh and i didnt do that blade test, but i'll send you the link
Sorry about earlier comment , for not beeing constructive. Heres some issues that i have with the video....My response if you will. Your first issue with the CRK sebbie is that Mr. reeves didnt handle your packaging and communication personally??? Do you expect the CEO of a busy Company to personally deal with every customer...thats not fair to assume. You cant even get anyone from strider to pick up the phone if you can find the phone number. When your tv breaks are you upset that the CEO of
WOW! That was the BEST scattered brained, Agenda Biased, NON-Factual review of a knife i've ever seen....kudos! I dont even own a sebenza, but have enough common sense to sift through Vids BS.
I still like the sebenza! For me it's not a hard use or tactical knife. All these people getting mad at you seriously need to move the fuck on. I mean seriously lol. Get over it fuckers! Thanks nep!!!!! Sorry for cursing.
That's not how you put together a sebenza, that's why you are having such a hard time putting it back together. You unscrew the pivot, pop the pivot out, and then pull the blade out. When you are assembling it again, you put the handles together first, then slide the blade in, align it with the pivot hole and then put the pivot pin in and then the screw. You can't do that with any other knife i know of, the sebenza is an awesome knife.
@FranzNC That's what Victorinox fan said too! he said it's on forum. I can do that with my strider FYI. Hmm Thanks for the tip one question is it difficult to get the washers & pivot bushing all lined up when doing it this way?
No it's not hard to get the washers and pivot bushing lined up, just put the pivot bushing in the blade, center it a little and then the washers will fit on each side, and when the washers and pivot bushing sit flat on the blade slide it in between the already assembled handle.
@FranzNC Man u use the CR flourinated grease then cuz the washers gota stick in place right? I lay down the scale & first assemble the blade area then once everythings in place the rest of the handle is no prob. Mel finds this way the easiest for her too
If you don't use the grease, you can still keep them in place by holding the washers and pivot bushing in place with your index finger and thumb, then as you slide it into the handles they will stay in place and you can stop holding it and then just push it all the way in. Once you push the blade into the handles make sure you lift the lock bar so that the ceramic ball rests on the blade and then proceed to align the hole with the handle hole and put the pin through.
Wow. You need to learn to organize you ideas, and present them in a logical order. You are all over the place, all I hear is you ranting about everything and nothing at all. I will not be buying from you, and would recommend that no one else buy from you as well.
@tapoutking2019 Well thank you we appreciate the positive input & will try to improve our organization further as this is a constant learning process that we are trying our best at which is to provide useful content for the youtube community
@tapoutking2019 prick prick prick PRICK PRICK! what is up with all you fanboys? Why can't you just watch the review and take it for what it is? You are so immature and try to judge the person behind th camera. No one said you had to buy anything from the guy. I am sure a lot of people have bought from him and judging by how fast his inventory seems to have disappeared from his website it looks as if lots of people like him. Sorry, your negative comment didn't seem to affect anyone. Grow up
If you are trying to say something was wrong with my umnum I just sold you are fucking wrong. I happen to be a very good salesman. I've sold a construction equipment with price tags over 200k to many people. I've sold cars knives guns comics you name it. I'm sorry my video wasn't up to your standards. I simply needed fast money and I got it. Not all used CRK knives sell for 75% of the retail price. Get a fucking grip dude. I have a small sebbie coming to me as we speak that I
Striders are known for everything but a good lock. If a knife was to hurt You during normal use it would be the Spydie first then the Sebenza. FFG is harder to do than a hollow? First one can be easily CNC machine ground (as I suspect the Spydies are) and the CRK's are hand ground. You don't compare TAIWAN knives and American made knives as far as pricing goes - Americans don't work for rice. AND the sebbie is "getting stuck" because You screwed the lock face.
@cubixthe you are one red neck sheet wearing a**hole aren't you? You must be an idiot also because Neptune is Asian you prick! Do you not wach the videos?!! Also Asians don't work for rice. That comment just showed how much of an idiot you really are. Maybe you should travel the world more istead of making racist judgements from your brokedown trailer. (*~ and yes, I am currently making stereotypical reacist comments to you because it seems like the only language you understand~*)
@trueknifereviews LOL thanks I mean if they want a sebbie that's their choice every1 has their own preferences & right I just think for me personally the sebenza sucks half the time when it comes to function & ease of use (i don't like single thumb stud & no choking up options/grip options to let me cut different ways.
The Hinderer stuck on you also but besides that who is going to smack the blade spine on a table, if I am getting attacked it want fail because I'm not going to spine whack somebody and also all the BLADE SHOW awards how can all those people be wrong. Don't get me wrong I love Strider's and I have three of them.I think you are holding a little bit of a grudge about the knife you sent him you shouldn't let that reflect on the product.
@knifeaddiction2011 Hmm I find in life that the popular consensus is usually misinformed or not that bright sometimes/ too influenced by commercial hype & propagation. As for tolerances yes the sebenza is nice but I think the Sage does just as well maybe a little less perhaps but I don't think it's craftsmanship based but more the design measurement choices. The things I like more about the Sage I was gona put in a follow up vid. some may agree but for me personally Sage is more versatile/usable
I like every single thing on that Bassinelli you show in this video.... I like full flat grinds and i really like how the ergo's look... especially like how the blade edge drops down so far below the handle when opened.. A Brick shit house design and good food prep ergo's.... win win...
@alwagp definitely right now our old pc crapped out so we lost some vids and also a review of thd bbr1 people keep asking for. im waiting to test the shikra from warren thomas sigh.... hes making them for the next two weeks! Soon enough and i think the ideas from that vid willreally blow peoples minds lol
I've seen you do more needless damage to your knives on your videos than any knife should ever suffer in a lifetime. Both my Sebenza's get carried/used all the time and I've taken them both down multiple times and both lock up rock solid. I think all your unrealistic testing is completely irrelevant as far as normal knife use. They make pry bars for prying, FYI
Maybe your Sebenza failed because you wack the spine on stuff or try and force the knife to fail which I assume has caused all sorts of unnecessary friction damage to the lock-face and the tang. You don't even disassemble or assemble the knife correctly. You're supposed to take the pivot and the blade out first without loosening the handle screws. The knife is supposed to go back together the same way. I've done it several times flawlessly. There are perfect directions on the CR site.
@jeffersontool I never really cared bout following the specifics so long i don't cut myself lol. I think it just depends on the person man plus if you get I'm not testing them for you to use them this way it's there for you to know now like in an emergency if you thought to baton with it or of course don't pry you have an idea of some of the limits before the fact. You may already have known other may not ya know. Plus a hinderer can stand up to all this stuff constantly so...
That last statement you made is oh so true ! Yet it seems like everyone has to see for themselves.....Not me though , I've heard enough ! I would like a xm-18 3.5 , but I can't find one anywhere near $400 .....Do you know a place?..... Right on for the vid!
@MrChino303 you will have to find a cool dealer (maybe me) to get an order in or if you are a first responder, firefighter, cop etc know some1 if u email rick with your identification he will make one personally for $ 385. I can give a deal but it will still take up to a year of waiting to get the order lol
@MrChino303 Sorry bro , I didn't realize you were a dealer:') I'll check out your site for sure! A year though? I get anxious waiting a few days ....lol
And I will also throw in that with a sebenza, you arent paying for features nor are you paying for materials. You are paying for a tool that is precision made and hand finished in a small shop, by a respected name. You are paying for a classic knife that does the job it was designed to do very well. Does it pry? No. Does it cut like a knife and not a sharpened prybar or thinned out splitting wedge? Yes. There is an established tradition in the sebenza, thats what you pay for
@dtownknives if ur willing to pay that much for a simple cutter then more power to ya. Precision can be found in custom knives at the same price in smaller shops by even more awarded individuals that r cool too. You can many other flawless cutting tools for less ya know right? Honest here when i held my first hinderer it totally outshines the sebbie in every category u just mentioned
@NeptuneKnives I have no experience with hinderers other than they are more expensive than my small sebbie, and much harder to come by, so i will not pass judgement on them. I dont believe i was ripped off for buying my sebbie, but I did not make a killing either. I can tell you I was not impressed with the feeling of the few striders, I have handled either. They just didnt have the tolerance, but for their design style they were good. The sebbie suits my needs as a low profile elegant edc.
@dtownknives hinderer's precision is even more embellished & labor intensive/complex, pry, chop, made by hand by the guy with just a few people, a name & reputation along with being a firefighter & using his knife. friendly, and all this plus u can abuse it & the xm-18 is cheaper depending than a large sebbie. its laughable cuz u sebenza r getting ripped off & u dont realize it lol-no offense sir
@dtownknives hinderer's precision is even more embellished & labor intensive/complex, pry, chop, made by hand by the guy with just a few people, a name & reputation along with being a firefighter & using his knife. friendly, and all this plus u can abuse it & the xm-18 is cheaper depending than a large sebbie. its laughable cuz u sebenza r getting ripped off & u dont realize it lol-no offense sir
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, the sebenza doesnt work for you. But to be fair what you are expecting from it, is not what it was designed to do. The sebenza was not designed to be a be all end all tactical knife or wilderness knife. Infact Chris Reeve says the knife wasnt designed to be flicked open tactical style and that voids the waranty. The sebenza was designed to do a typical knife user's everyday tasks, not to beat on and for that it preforms flawlessly IMHO
@dtownknives And I will also throw in that with a sebenza, you arent paying for features nor are you paying for materials. You are paying for a tool that is precision made and hand finished in a small shop, by a respected name. You are paying for a classic knife that does the job it was designed to do very well. Does it pry? No. Does it cut like a knife and not a sharpened prybar or thinned out splitting wedge? Yes. There is an established tradition in the sebenza, thats what you pay for
@KiloSierraAlpha yah most times fe mel only has her folder cuz why would she be at target with a fixed so if in that situation something happened like an earthquake it's nice to have a tough folder
@KiloSierraAlpha Do you need to baton wood if you are stranded? where do you live that you are not in walking distance of civilization and would require fire? Also hear of the expression "dead and down" ? Most firewood is already lying on the ground ready to be burned.
@PatBatemanlol Yes Cody Lundin likes this theory cuz it saves energy to use what's already available. But there are still possible incidences. Most correct will be whittling style to notch wood etc. Possibly though shelter building could necessitate batoning. Regardless some folders can baton without damage so it's nevertheless an added bonus if a knife can handle stabbing & batoning cuz heck more the better don't you think? So long as not too many other performance aspects decline
@NeptuneKnives The intrinsic element to the theory of Dead and Down is to preserve your environment, energy conservation is just a bonus :) Also I am curious to how well S30V (used on most Striders that you say can be baton'd) is compared to other bushcraft preferred steels in regards to impact resistance. If i needed to dice up a trout or skin a rabbit I would shure hope I hadn't dulled my blade batoning.
In the end, carry a fixed and a folder, save the youtube commenters some hassle :p
@PatBatemanlol LOL yes I'm still waiting on my fixed blades I wana test & review. Most bushcrafters will carry a large fixed & then a small knife sometimes 3 in for light processing. Heck I just want to avoid cross contamination lol.Strider's s30v is slight pain to sharpen still IMO. Chipping so far no prob with that but the only real advantage is S30v's chrome content to fight rust. To reprofile in the field s30v you're gona need some strong stuff. I think it's a good option heck CR pushes it
@KiloSierraAlpha LOL yeah there's a lot of preparation involved to make even a simple fire sustainable off a firesteel who knows I guess it could depend where he lives maybe & what plants are nearby.
@knifebunny05 OK, i just did and found out that the majority of buschrafters prefer fixed blades with scandi grinds for batoning and little friction folders or opinels for whittling....
@PatBatemanlol you should watch bushcrafting videos before trying to sound all smart on here. AND he has other videos showing several knives being spine whacked. DUH!
Ive always had the exact feeling you have about Chris Reeve knives. Im never really been a fan of them and always sold everyone that I had and never had any second thoughts. Sebbies are always a YouTube favorite but I just dont see why. Personally Id rather spend the money on a Strider or something else. Thanks for saving me the money I was gonna spend on an Umnum.
Great video Dave! I look forward to seeing more on the other knives you got from G3.
Well you sold me...No more CRK:s for me ("Only" have 2 of them suckers) Just got caught with all the positive reviews all over ytube. Guess no one wanted or dared to question them. Yes they are kind of great but for the money???
Always knew sebenza's were weak, ever since I held one in hand I knew it was more of a gents knife than anything tactical. Thanks for the vid and keep expressing your opinion, sebenza has many fanboys that all they do is hate because they're knife snobs. Btw are you going to do a review on the bastinelli?
@Temperdgrump you know what it is is why would a gent's folder (something that doesn't need many feaures other than comfort & looks) need dual Ti handles & cost this much without fancy embellishment or collectable value like those case knives that doggorunning has on his channel. I think gentlemans folders can be found for less & look more office or dinner table. For the price of CRK I feel like it should do what other knives at this level do & have the features to justify the cost.
@Temperdgrump Heck even on Spyderco USA made they put a stainless steel lockbar add on or all those Lionsteels with the Rotoblock or those Anso Bokers with the stonewashed blade & pattern G10. Yah I really want to get to the Bastinelli there's only two left that I'm getting from them & that's it! They really keep saying no production run!!! PM them I keep telling them to make more. Try in french cuz Bastinelli doesn't speak english! He's under my subscriptions box. Did you see the test he did?
Chris reeve sounds like a dick...I like the sebenza I own a couple but I really don't hard use them...I like your vids ..imlove how you get all these peoples panties in a bunch ...Dave keep up the vids ..nice work
Okay, my last comment. What I really like about these videos is that NK does these hard and potentially destructive tests on his own knives, so I do not have to do them on my knives. At a minimum, this gets us thinking about the strengths and weaknesses of the knives, and what tasks a specific knife may or may not be good at. A knife, (gun or any tool) is safe, not based on the features or lock type, but on the knowledge and skill of the user.
Just a suggestion on your reviewing techniques. You do make good points but when you bash almost everything about CRK, you lose a bit of credibility. It's like those political shows. The Dems say everything the Republicans do is bad, and vice-versa. At some point the views are so biased, you stop listening. Even though I believe your views and demonstrations are honest, it is starting to appear that there may be some type of grudge involved. I would also be mad too if C. Reeve ignored me.
@26point2madness Yah that's why I was hesitant to put this up but its my only review of the knife actually so thought I should have one up. It's not personal for me I really do believe it's not worth it. I told Mel my example of never hearing about a construction guy being a fan of his hammer & defending it lol who knows why Sebenza fans r like this. I'm just glad to finally wrap this up & move on. Thanks for always sticking by & the support!
Very good points sir:) I think CRK's are finely built and very nice gent's folders. But for harder use, I would not choose a CRK. I would actually want G10 because of the better grip. I think in the end, it's like you've said, it's all in what you want out of a knife. What would someone be willing to sacrifice in features for the particular knife. Like me, I really love OTF's but they are not the most practical knives out there. An Emerson wave is much faster to deploy. Thanks for the vid man!
The large sebenza sells for the same as an SnG. The small sebenza is $350. Paying $375 was too high. I'm not sure why you payed that. Yes I agree that the SnG lockup is tougher in taking abuse. But as you mentioned a design choice was how they did their lockup. In one year of using both knives my Sng has moved over a lot and probably doesn't have a long lifespan on the lock left. The sebenza has hardly moved at all. It's slow wearing. I'm out of space I'll coninue from a seperate post.
I think what differs your opinion vs. others is the fact that you are looking at it from a purely tactical point of view. This is good on many other knives but brands like CRK (the sebenza line) or Klotzli (as an example )are just not designed in that frame of mind. As awesome as strider is I can't carry that in the office. Neither can I carry the Sage 2. It's too big for that usage. Plus when it comes to cost I don't think comparing a spyderco to strider or CRK is fair
CRK and Strider are semi custom brands with very different cost structures than brands like spyderco and cold steel. I guess in the end I agree for your hard use the sebenza is a poor choice. It's designed for light to mid duty edc use (where I've never applied much force the back of the blade). I can't speak for the umnumzaan but I'll say it's not the right tool for the job you want your folders to do. Kind of like test driving a Mercedes E class in off road terrain lol.
@victorinoxfan Hey actually Vic F I think you'd be surprised how much more small scale & custom Strider is. Even the fact that the owners r still making knives themselves by hand compared to Reeve's mass production levels
Also two final add on. It's good to see differing opinions even if I disagree with them. Keeps discussion open. When it comes to assembly I would suggest a little trick. The way they reccomend to put the sebenza together is to screw the scales together about 75%. slide the blade with washes and bushing then and then put the pivot screw in. You'll be able to put it together faster with reduced chances of a pinched washer.
This is something I'd like to see. I still have life on my lockbar since I never spinewhacked it (this reduces span of any liner or framelock. However I don't think I've got another year in it before spa treatment required. We'll see.
@victorinoxfan Yes I think though that a gentleman's folder is simple in nature. It doesn't need a lot of features so what makes it's cost more should be extravagance/elegance maybe embellishment ya know? There's many nice Gent folders for less cuz you don't really need such construction for what it's abilities are. All ti is kinda pointless ya know. But in all fairness Vic F I'd carry my Terzuola into work & scare the sh*te out of folks so I'm a bit out of the box lol
The way you disengage your frame locks bugs the shit out of me. I can always hear the lock bar grind against the blade like your pushing the blade closed while you close it. Use the tip of your thumb not your knuckle. That has to wear your lock bars prematurely
@socomelite1 No I know that's why on vid I tried again with my hand further down cuz I thought some1 might think this. I do it that way though because of gloves
@oromoto I'm still working on my vid list Tsu! I already wanted to do another sharpening vid still! Hey you could do paper slicing like a factory edge test comparison?!
I've always thought of CR knives as top notch gentlemen folders. Not so much a hard use knife. Considering it is Ti against a harder S30V. If I had the loot for a CR knife I'd probably still buy one, but I most def wouldn't use it for hard use. I reserve hard use for my fixed blade RAT-3 in EDC. Great vid though!
great insight man. I now choose to watch one of your episodes instead of a half hour tv show! haha. I'm loving it. and I liked lookin at that BBR1. ;) take care man. keep speaking your mind.
Last post here. Just wanted to say I enjoy Neptuneknives and the videos despite my comments. I dont agree with some of your logic and I still think some of it is just completely wrong. However you are entitled to your opinions and I enjoy hearing them. Keep up the great work. I also look foward to future reviews on knives like the Bastanelli which looks pretty sick.
@Kahrrr Yah it's just food for individual thought. Each person in the end of course should take what they feel is pertinent & come to their own conclusion. Rightly said sir! Yah I'm just glad to move past this whole CR nonsense yah those Bastinellis & also Warren Thomas stuff is on my list & I'm really looking forward to reviewing those along with more preparation style stuff - Thanks man
Can you do a vid spine whacking the knife 55 times in a row. I think you only spine whacked the sebenza 11 times before stopping and typically, in the field, I spine whack my folders 55 times. I need to know how they perform after 55 spine whacks in the field, not 11 spine whacks.
@alxra LOL I don't use the knife in the field the blade grind isn't very good for wood work Did you see blunttruth's vid about the sage? I'd stick with a Sage my friend or whatever else you like
@NeptuneKnives All kidding aside, you make a very good point about the sage vs. sebenza and value. I think what gets lost in the shuffle is how or why a market places value on a product or service. Rather than performance, the market may place more value on brand name, industrial design, image, quality of raw materials used, etc.
It is what it is, I'd probably expect better service from a knife company in which I paid $300+ for one of their knives. To be fair though the whole issue of value gets blurry once it gets beyond $200 (I think). I think Benchmade/ Spyderco both make pocket knives that have as much value as Sebenzas but I'm sure some people like it for more aesthetic purposes and the fact that it's a Sebenza. I like the way Greg Lightfoot's look but would probably nevery drop that kind of scratch for a knife.
@alwagp yes many people r fans of the Axis locks strength & easy deployment & every1 respects Spyderco for constantly revising & improving their stuff based on customer feedback.
@NeptuneKnives- to me it wouldn't make sense to spend $300 on a knife when a Ruger LC9 is $350 but that just applies to tactical applications (how do you win a knife fight? bring a gun). I can understand if someone thinks that a Sebenza is like a piece of art and thus justifies the price but in that sense you really can't try to convince them about features or even quality. in any case I'd still expect better customer service than what you got.
dude. i totally thought this was a vid where you were going to color the titanium with a torch or something. will torching the lockbar harden it and make it work better or give it more durability.
@PavlovSandor Pav the hardness of Ti can only reach mid 50 plus then there'd be the need to quench it after. It's not that great to try. You can look it up I'll look further into it too & PM you. Carbidizing or graphite lube on a ti framelock is still the better options my friend. Plus flaming it will make a brown spot. Mr. Reeve's covers it on the outside with bead blast so you don't see it
@NeptuneKnives CRK does *carburize* the titanium lock bar. That is why it has the "flamed" appearance. It essentially surface hardens it. That is why they don't bead blast that area.
@bigbubba5037 nope sir go check out the vid by three sisters forge a carbidized lockbar looks rather grainy. carbidized lockbars are not smooth looking at all
@NeptuneKnives I know the difference between carbBIDizing and CARBURIZING. They are completely different. So yes, you are right in the sense that it is not carBIDizing, but you need to pay attention to spelling because they are two completely different terms. The sebenza's lock is carburized.
@bigbubba5037 Oops my bad man I"ve been dealing with Sebenza flaming all day today so i didn't even pay attention. CaruBURizing is different thank you learned something new well is it something that much improved? I notice yeah sebbie can last but the lockup kinda dictates that more I think. Know of other companies that do this?
@NeptuneKnives No big deal. haha I can understand how one might mistake it. I know it is a wear resistance thing to carburize the titanium so that in essence the bar wears a little more even with the hardness of the blade steel. It is mostly just a surface hardener, thats why that portion isn't bead blasted. I honestly don't really know of many other companies that do it, mostly due to the fact that I haven't really researched it. How much better it is than a standard lock bar, I couldn't say.
@bigbubba5037 Hmmm... with all my taking everything apart I've yet to find this done either. Jim at Three Sisters tells me that Ti doesn't take hardening well & it'll pit & gall. I had to look this up & I'm not sure still but he may be right. The Sage 2 fresh out of box has a weird kinda sandpaper gunk on the face but it's not Tungsten... Sigh* Thanks for the tip though Bubba LOL
I was never a big fan of CR knives before, now I'm really not a fan and would never buy one unless I got a killer deal and bought it to resell! This is deffinetly a case of you do not get what you pay for!
@NeptuneKnives Be careful with anecdotal examples. I sold my Umnumzaan for $25 under the full retail I paid, but I sold my Strider SNG DDG for $75 under full retail. Both were in excellent condition. Resale value from any individual in not necessarily a good representation of how the the resale value as a whole is. There is always supply, demand and many other issues that determine resale value at a specific point in time.
Respond to this video... Also, if you are talking about Pietermoore's Umnumzaan (no offense to him), but he did not appear to be the best salesman so I would not go by his example.
@Bladedude92 yah who knows that's why I said ignore the whole failing part & just look at the other aspects like features & construction. My old sebbie lockup was different. This time good enough. ur sage not, mine good. See that's why safety choil is a must!
GRETA vid! These Sebenzas are way overpriced for what you get. You get a nice gentleman's folder and not a tactical blade or a blade that can be abused.
No offense, I've watched many of your vids... But a sebbie is known for it's smoothness before you spine whack the living shit out of it! HAHA!
shaokem 1 month ago
First off.... I love knifes! But no way in hell would i pay 375 bucks for just 1.. I could get 2, 3, or even 4 High value Spyderco's or benchmades. for that kind of money... I would rather have more knifes. then 1 over priced over hyped CR.. Yea he makes "good knifes" but its not like its going to give me a reach around or a old fashion each time I use it..
Evoluztion 2 months ago
@Neptuneknives My point though is that it should not be considered a "con" if that is not how the knife is supposed to function. If a car didn't drive on water would you say its not good? No, buy a boat. Same with knives. If it isn't designed for using a certain way, buy something more suited for what you want to do. Get a stronger folder or fixed blade. Don't bash a knife and give hits against it when you are showing failure that won't happen under ANYONE's normal use.
venomx4x4 2 months ago
@venomx4x4 I have more vids on this knife. The others are quite positive & defend the knife sometimes LOL this is just one vid on it that I have
NeptuneKnives 2 months ago
I don't understand how you can bash the knife for a lack of "features". The reason there is more than one knife on the market is so consumers can choose features they want. Why did you buy/choose a Sebenza if you don't find it to be so great? Sell it off if you don't like it instead of intentionally damaging it.You are also talking about using the knife for things it wasn't designed and meant for. Then you ADD water when you can't get the lock to fail. Read and learn more- post less.
venomx4x4 2 months ago
@venomx4x4 yes I can appreciate the overall quality & detailed complexity of the knife & like talking with MR. Reeve on the phone now. But there is still a fact that is limited in design. Second i did this so people are aware of some of the sebenza's limits. It doesn't do very well with negative forces being applied to the spine dynamic or isometric. But it is a good knife & Mr. Reeve agrees on this with me that it's limits are fine. It has a use in mind & it's not tactical
NeptuneKnives 2 months ago
@NeptuneKnives Part of the design philosophy as I understand was for the knife to be simple and a pure work knife. In that regard, it doesn't need to have "features"- that isn't the point. You should test the knife within its intended applications. Every knife will have limits especially if you use them in ways they aren't meant to be. For EDC/medium duty tasks, the Sebenza has been proven countless times. If used properly, it won't fail. A truly "bad" knife won't perform under intended use.
venomx4x4 2 months ago
@venomx4x4 yes some knives don't meet their design goals like on a bunch of spydercos but the sebenza does seem very reliable for what you are saying. Trust me I like the knife but this vid is just to point out the cons & the price point. Please don't take it too seriously or dislike me for it cuz even CReeve is fine with this vid
NeptuneKnives 2 months ago
I"m not sure why you even did this test...
Are going to bludgeon something to death with the back of your knife in the rain?
Jraptor1959 3 months ago
@Jraptor1959 i agree, sabenza 21 is an awesome knife, It's like a ferrari. Yes there are supras out there for a quarter of the price that are faster but some people still prefer the ferrari for the design, the history and the build quality. I use my sabenza 21 as a pocket knife and i use it on tasks that it was designed for. ie opening packets, cutting zip ties food prep at the bbq, etc etc. I don't need multiple grips to stab someone and i sure as hell don't need to cut down a tree.
THEDROPPEDSOCK 3 months ago
LoL you pretty much summed it all up in one video, I did allot of research and came to the same conclusion.. So I bought several Sage knives instead.
Subbed =-D
MountainMonsters 3 months ago
I'd agree with you that the lock failure is a bit inexcusable but you can't criticize the lack of features. First you knew what you were getting going in so there was no deception, second most people would argue that there is a beauty and elegance in simplicity. Features don't cost money, if you want a bunch of gadgets and features go buy a $20 CRKT, the thing you are paying for with a sebenza is the tolerance in the manufacturing and you definitely get it.
FireBrand975 3 months ago
@FireBrand975 yes absolutely. Not e YT automatcially has this set to comments needing approval IDK why. Now did you se my vid comparing the centering of the sebenza vs sage 2 & strider. I'm defending the sebbies construction quality & tolerances! Go check it out I just posted it!
NeptuneKnives 3 months ago
butterfly knives the best folding stabbers?
lookout11569 4 months ago
@lookout11569 huh? Another youtuber told me that but I don't like em I jsut was repeating what they said
NeptuneKnives 4 months ago
I'm sorry to say but I find your review very biased and has nearly no merit to it.
I don't see how and why taking abuse and torture should be included in the design scope of a Sebenza. Treat it with respect and it will last you forever. If you don't get the satisfaction you expect for the the money you paid, then you probably are not ready for the Sebenza. Interestingly enough, I find Sebenza the best in its price class(and all lower classes). I don't find it lacking any features I need or want.
pj551016 4 months ago
@pj551016 Abuse? I would call the lock test fair. Any locking knife that fails that test is a joke. What does it mean to be "ready for the Sebenza"? How and why does one "get ready" for a poorly- and dangerously- designed, overpriced feature-bare knife? I do understand the defensiveness, though; if I paid through the nose for an item that someone proved was garbage, I'd be upset, too. I'd rather pay $400 for a Tenacious than $30 for a Sebenza.
pandurate 3 months ago
You are comparing different types of knives for different purposes..
EDUTAMARIU 5 months ago 2
@EDUTAMARIU Yes I can see that but many people do this comparison because the Sage2 is a tribute to the Sebenza. Sebenza is still good IMO just not my fav choice
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
and the car breaks, does that mean that porsches suck??? I rest my case. NK it seems you have an agenda here, maybe CRK hurt you in some way, but remember time heals all wounds my friend.
take care and be safe
PS i've owend CRK's and just bought another one....disclosure
inu222003 5 months ago
@inu222003 you seem like a major prick. His test shows what would happen if you were using the knife in a deffensive situation and if there happened to be a sudden negative force on blade, etc. He never said to not buy this knife, just showed what it can and can't do and what you can expect in that situation. This knife is still nice and I am a fan of CR's product, not the person. Don't get all butt hurt over a video of someone's opinion. It's time to start acting like an adult.
knifebunny05 5 months ago
@knifebunny05 Relax Buddy, its just my opinion. He has his, and i have mine dont be a hypocritical douche by bashing me for my opinions. FYI if you held the knife in a defensive posture, the pressure of your death grip on the knife due to your adrenaline pumping would help the lock bar slippage....PS try not to hit something with the back of your knife....thats the dull side ;)
inu222003 5 months ago
@inu222003 That's a genius idea though for testing sounds scary & it won't simulate a 250lb guy falling onto the blade or you having it stuck in him & him moving rashly around but for whack sake genius I mean that. Who are you? Good idea but IDK why then r u defending the seb for tactical use cuz it's no no no for that. Please for every1 safety I know enough to know don't take a sebenza into a knife fight if such a shitty situation were to happen. I'm making new vids on knife defense & options
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@inu222003 you seem like a major prick. His test shows what would happen if you were using the knife in a deffensive situation and if there happened to be a sudden negative force on blade, etc. He never said to not buy this knife, just showed what it can and can't do and what you can expect in that situation. This knife is still nice and I am a fan of CR's product, not the person. Don't get all butt hurt over a video of someone's opinion. It's time to start acting like an adult.
knifebunny05 5 months ago
SONY doesnt drop you a letter saying sorry.YOU your self said that your paying for quality...so the price is justified IMHO.The sebbie is a cutting tool THATS IT! if you want a prybar,buy a prybar, if you want an axe, buy an axe.Cant fault the Sebbie for beeing made for a specific purpose.Thatrs like getting upset with my car for not beeing able to fly as well. You want options and features buy a swiss army knife! And as far as your "test" if i run a Porsche into a curb for a curb test
inu222003 5 months ago
@inu222003 U r a trip sir but I agree that when it comes down to having a framelock last & slip VS not slip but wear out fast I slightly prefer having a knife like the sebenza cuz it's gona last my investment but I still fault the knife cuz even though my grip can help it, it being a lock that could slip should have a safety guard for the finger in case. Plus to note when you train with a knife to fight very VERY early on you learn that your grip is not that reliable. You may slack when hit but
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@inu222003 you may be getting pounded on & try to still attack w the knife at which point your attention to your grip & your muscle control may be compromised. Knife fighting is hardcore & we're talking everyday users of the Sebbie prob don't train how to fight with it so in the event it's not a knife that's by default considering an inexperienced user in knife fighting. this is why serious tactical have big time grip & also you see finger holes like on karambits which hints that Im right
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives Well, no. One on USN or BF theres a thread of someone battoning everything from wood, cinder block, and metal...Sebbie's blade can handle more than you or i can dish out, AND as you clearly showed in your video you were able to push the lock bat all the over to the opposite slab, Do another test where you push the bar all the over and tape it lightly to simulate a grip on it and I GUARANTEE you the bar wont fail, i would be more concerned about my minty custom with a 10% lockup
inu222003 5 months ago
@inu222003 You know good point I would definitely love to test this sir but prob is the new sebenzas have this new lockup like mine because hearsay is CR changed it after my vids showing it fail. So for this one I kinda think you're probably 80-90% right it aint gona fail unless some grease or lint something like that is jammed but I critique the knife because the lacking features ya know? for the price? If I had a sebenza pre lock change I'd like to test it wonder if CR thought of what you did?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives Well i commend you sir, if your input helped Better a good american company's product...you are an asset to the knife community. We can share some common ground, CRK are not cheap....i agree, BUT worth it? to me yes. I'm glad we could have a friendly debate and discussion on knives, keep up the good videos, oh and i didnt do that blade test, but i'll send you the link
inu222003 5 months ago
Sorry about earlier comment , for not beeing constructive. Heres some issues that i have with the video....My response if you will. Your first issue with the CRK sebbie is that Mr. reeves didnt handle your packaging and communication personally??? Do you expect the CEO of a busy Company to personally deal with every customer...thats not fair to assume. You cant even get anyone from strider to pick up the phone if you can find the phone number. When your tv breaks are you upset that the CEO of
inu222003 5 months ago
WOW! That was the BEST scattered brained, Agenda Biased, NON-Factual review of a knife i've ever seen....kudos! I dont even own a sebenza, but have enough common sense to sift through Vids BS.
inu222003 5 months ago
Honest review... Thanks for sharing
Tel1sps 5 months ago
I still like the sebenza! For me it's not a hard use or tactical knife. All these people getting mad at you seriously need to move the fuck on. I mean seriously lol. Get over it fuckers! Thanks nep!!!!! Sorry for cursing.
pietermoore 5 months ago
@pietermoore Hey nice shoe laces pete liking the neon! Thanks for backing me up! Hey I still my sebbie & if people wana buy it go for it
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@tapoutking2019
Stfu idiot. Neptune you do great reviews and provide very useful information to the community. Thanks!!
pietermoore 5 months ago
That's not how you put together a sebenza, that's why you are having such a hard time putting it back together. You unscrew the pivot, pop the pivot out, and then pull the blade out. When you are assembling it again, you put the handles together first, then slide the blade in, align it with the pivot hole and then put the pivot pin in and then the screw. You can't do that with any other knife i know of, the sebenza is an awesome knife.
FranzNC 5 months ago
@FranzNC That's what Victorinox fan said too! he said it's on forum. I can do that with my strider FYI. Hmm Thanks for the tip one question is it difficult to get the washers & pivot bushing all lined up when doing it this way?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives
No it's not hard to get the washers and pivot bushing lined up, just put the pivot bushing in the blade, center it a little and then the washers will fit on each side, and when the washers and pivot bushing sit flat on the blade slide it in between the already assembled handle.
FranzNC 5 months ago
@FranzNC Man u use the CR flourinated grease then cuz the washers gota stick in place right? I lay down the scale & first assemble the blade area then once everythings in place the rest of the handle is no prob. Mel finds this way the easiest for her too
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives
If you don't use the grease, you can still keep them in place by holding the washers and pivot bushing in place with your index finger and thumb, then as you slide it into the handles they will stay in place and you can stop holding it and then just push it all the way in. Once you push the blade into the handles make sure you lift the lock bar so that the ceramic ball rests on the blade and then proceed to align the hole with the handle hole and put the pin through.
FranzNC 5 months ago
@FranzNC OMG I'll take the Sage lol thanks though
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@FranzNC Did you see I did a follow up & shout to your tip thank you
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives
Yeah i saw it, thanks for the shout out, i appreciate it.
FranzNC 5 months ago
Wow. You need to learn to organize you ideas, and present them in a logical order. You are all over the place, all I hear is you ranting about everything and nothing at all. I will not be buying from you, and would recommend that no one else buy from you as well.
tapoutking2019 5 months ago
@tapoutking2019 Well thank you we appreciate the positive input & will try to improve our organization further as this is a constant learning process that we are trying our best at which is to provide useful content for the youtube community
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@tapoutking2019 and I'll remember not to sell to you LOL
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@tapoutking2019 prick prick prick PRICK PRICK! what is up with all you fanboys? Why can't you just watch the review and take it for what it is? You are so immature and try to judge the person behind th camera. No one said you had to buy anything from the guy. I am sure a lot of people have bought from him and judging by how fast his inventory seems to have disappeared from his website it looks as if lots of people like him. Sorry, your negative comment didn't seem to affect anyone. Grow up
knifebunny05 5 months ago
@26point2madness
If you are trying to say something was wrong with my umnum I just sold you are fucking wrong. I happen to be a very good salesman. I've sold a construction equipment with price tags over 200k to many people. I've sold cars knives guns comics you name it. I'm sorry my video wasn't up to your standards. I simply needed fast money and I got it. Not all used CRK knives sell for 75% of the retail price. Get a fucking grip dude. I have a small sebbie coming to me as we speak that I
pietermoore 5 months ago
Striders are known for everything but a good lock. If a knife was to hurt You during normal use it would be the Spydie first then the Sebenza. FFG is harder to do than a hollow? First one can be easily CNC machine ground (as I suspect the Spydies are) and the CRK's are hand ground. You don't compare TAIWAN knives and American made knives as far as pricing goes - Americans don't work for rice. AND the sebbie is "getting stuck" because You screwed the lock face.
cubixthe 5 months ago
@cubixthe you are one red neck sheet wearing a**hole aren't you? You must be an idiot also because Neptune is Asian you prick! Do you not wach the videos?!! Also Asians don't work for rice. That comment just showed how much of an idiot you really are. Maybe you should travel the world more istead of making racist judgements from your brokedown trailer. (*~ and yes, I am currently making stereotypical reacist comments to you because it seems like the only language you understand~*)
knifebunny05 5 months ago
great review, if people dont agree with u, they are retarded and should venture to a different hobbie : )
trueknifereviews 5 months ago
@trueknifereviews LOL thanks I mean if they want a sebbie that's their choice every1 has their own preferences & right I just think for me personally the sebenza sucks half the time when it comes to function & ease of use (i don't like single thumb stud & no choking up options/grip options to let me cut different ways.
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
The Hinderer stuck on you also but besides that who is going to smack the blade spine on a table, if I am getting attacked it want fail because I'm not going to spine whack somebody and also all the BLADE SHOW awards how can all those people be wrong. Don't get me wrong I love Strider's and I have three of them.I think you are holding a little bit of a grudge about the knife you sent him you shouldn't let that reflect on the product.
knifeaddiction2011 5 months ago
You didn't say anything about the tolerances they blow the Sage out of the water and maybe people like fine tuned precise tools though.
knifeaddiction2011 5 months ago
@knifeaddiction2011 Hmm I find in life that the popular consensus is usually misinformed or not that bright sometimes/ too influenced by commercial hype & propagation. As for tolerances yes the sebenza is nice but I think the Sage does just as well maybe a little less perhaps but I don't think it's craftsmanship based but more the design measurement choices. The things I like more about the Sage I was gona put in a follow up vid. some may agree but for me personally Sage is more versatile/usable
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Very interesting vid ! You're the first person i hear saying the legendary sebenza 21 is not THAT awesome all things considered.
I think i'll eventually aquire a seb though, but you're making a lot of justified and smart remarks, so good point for you.
Halfmoon67 5 months ago
very interesting! i was thinking about the sebenza, but i do not anymore. subscribing this channel was a good idea.. greetz from austria
kuhtreiber 5 months ago
@kuhtreiber I love Aussie you tubers! Man your guys laws are strict on imports!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives You're thinking Australia.
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@NeptuneKnives austria - arnold and mozart - not kangaroos! :-)
kuhtreiber 5 months ago
@kuhtreiber Oh lol I must've mistaken yes austria like germany not australia like outback & koolas
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
I like every single thing on that Bassinelli you show in this video.... I like full flat grinds and i really like how the ergo's look... especially like how the blade edge drops down so far below the handle when opened.. A Brick shit house design and good food prep ergo's.... win win...
rainmechanic 5 months ago
i agree with this. What is recommendation for the best folding knife under $50?
EnduringEagle 5 months ago
@EnduringEagle What size though sir?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives 2.5 - 3" blade?
EnduringEagle 5 months ago
Can you do some fixed blade reviews?
alwagp 5 months ago
@alwagp definitely right now our old pc crapped out so we lost some vids and also a review of thd bbr1 people keep asking for. im waiting to test the shikra from warren thomas sigh.... hes making them for the next two weeks! Soon enough and i think the ideas from that vid willreally blow peoples minds lol
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
I agree with you, I would rather have a sage than a sebenza
Nice vid
MrKnivesrus 5 months ago
I've seen you do more needless damage to your knives on your videos than any knife should ever suffer in a lifetime. Both my Sebenza's get carried/used all the time and I've taken them both down multiple times and both lock up rock solid. I think all your unrealistic testing is completely irrelevant as far as normal knife use. They make pry bars for prying, FYI
jeffersontool 5 months ago
Maybe your Sebenza failed because you wack the spine on stuff or try and force the knife to fail which I assume has caused all sorts of unnecessary friction damage to the lock-face and the tang. You don't even disassemble or assemble the knife correctly. You're supposed to take the pivot and the blade out first without loosening the handle screws. The knife is supposed to go back together the same way. I've done it several times flawlessly. There are perfect directions on the CR site.
jeffersontool 5 months ago
@jeffersontool I never really cared bout following the specifics so long i don't cut myself lol. I think it just depends on the person man plus if you get I'm not testing them for you to use them this way it's there for you to know now like in an emergency if you thought to baton with it or of course don't pry you have an idea of some of the limits before the fact. You may already have known other may not ya know. Plus a hinderer can stand up to all this stuff constantly so...
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
what a fool
yoavbaitner 5 months ago
@yoavbaitner What a prick
knifebunny05 5 months ago
oh and sorry for the butload of identical posts earlier. Youtube was being a bit screwy.
dtownknives 5 months ago
@dtownknives No Problem Sir I know youtube, heck all computer stuff still sucks in the 21st century LOL how hard is it for them to get it right!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
That last statement you made is oh so true ! Yet it seems like everyone has to see for themselves.....Not me though , I've heard enough ! I would like a xm-18 3.5 , but I can't find one anywhere near $400 .....Do you know a place?..... Right on for the vid!
MrChino303 5 months ago
@MrChino303 you will have to find a cool dealer (maybe me) to get an order in or if you are a first responder, firefighter, cop etc know some1 if u email rick with your identification he will make one personally for $ 385. I can give a deal but it will still take up to a year of waiting to get the order lol
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@MrChino303 Sorry bro , I didn't realize you were a dealer:') I'll check out your site for sure! A year though? I get anxious waiting a few days ....lol
MrChino303 5 months ago
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And I will also throw in that with a sebenza, you arent paying for features nor are you paying for materials. You are paying for a tool that is precision made and hand finished in a small shop, by a respected name. You are paying for a classic knife that does the job it was designed to do very well. Does it pry? No. Does it cut like a knife and not a sharpened prybar or thinned out splitting wedge? Yes. There is an established tradition in the sebenza, thats what you pay for
dtownknives 5 months ago
@dtownknives if ur willing to pay that much for a simple cutter then more power to ya. Precision can be found in custom knives at the same price in smaller shops by even more awarded individuals that r cool too. You can many other flawless cutting tools for less ya know right? Honest here when i held my first hinderer it totally outshines the sebbie in every category u just mentioned
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives I have no experience with hinderers other than they are more expensive than my small sebbie, and much harder to come by, so i will not pass judgement on them. I dont believe i was ripped off for buying my sebbie, but I did not make a killing either. I can tell you I was not impressed with the feeling of the few striders, I have handled either. They just didnt have the tolerance, but for their design style they were good. The sebbie suits my needs as a low profile elegant edc.
dtownknives 5 months ago
@dtownknives hinderer's precision is even more embellished & labor intensive/complex, pry, chop, made by hand by the guy with just a few people, a name & reputation along with being a firefighter & using his knife. friendly, and all this plus u can abuse it & the xm-18 is cheaper depending than a large sebbie. its laughable cuz u sebenza r getting ripped off & u dont realize it lol-no offense sir
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@dtownknives hinderer's precision is even more embellished & labor intensive/complex, pry, chop, made by hand by the guy with just a few people, a name & reputation along with being a firefighter & using his knife. friendly, and all this plus u can abuse it & the xm-18 is cheaper depending than a large sebbie. its laughable cuz u sebenza r getting ripped off & u dont realize it lol-no offense sir
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, the sebenza doesnt work for you. But to be fair what you are expecting from it, is not what it was designed to do. The sebenza was not designed to be a be all end all tactical knife or wilderness knife. Infact Chris Reeve says the knife wasnt designed to be flicked open tactical style and that voids the waranty. The sebenza was designed to do a typical knife user's everyday tasks, not to beat on and for that it preforms flawlessly IMHO
dtownknives 5 months ago
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dtownknives 5 months ago
@dtownknives And I will also throw in that with a sebenza, you arent paying for features nor are you paying for materials. You are paying for a tool that is precision made and hand finished in a small shop, by a respected name. You are paying for a classic knife that does the job it was designed to do very well. Does it pry? No. Does it cut like a knife and not a sharpened prybar or thinned out splitting wedge? Yes. There is an established tradition in the sebenza, thats what you pay for
dtownknives 5 months ago
1) Why are you only spinewacking the sebenza? why not wack all your other framelocks?
2) Do you really think people are bushcrafting/batoning with folders?
PatBatemanlol 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol "2) Do you really think people are bushcrafting/batoning with folders?"
What if that's my only knife and I'm stranded somewhere? Personally, if I'm carrying a knife, I'd like to be able to baton with it.
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@KiloSierraAlpha yah most times fe mel only has her folder cuz why would she be at target with a fixed so if in that situation something happened like an earthquake it's nice to have a tough folder
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@KiloSierraAlpha Do you need to baton wood if you are stranded? where do you live that you are not in walking distance of civilization and would require fire? Also hear of the expression "dead and down" ? Most firewood is already lying on the ground ready to be burned.
PatBatemanlol 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol Yes Cody Lundin likes this theory cuz it saves energy to use what's already available. But there are still possible incidences. Most correct will be whittling style to notch wood etc. Possibly though shelter building could necessitate batoning. Regardless some folders can baton without damage so it's nevertheless an added bonus if a knife can handle stabbing & batoning cuz heck more the better don't you think? So long as not too many other performance aspects decline
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives The intrinsic element to the theory of Dead and Down is to preserve your environment, energy conservation is just a bonus :) Also I am curious to how well S30V (used on most Striders that you say can be baton'd) is compared to other bushcraft preferred steels in regards to impact resistance. If i needed to dice up a trout or skin a rabbit I would shure hope I hadn't dulled my blade batoning.
In the end, carry a fixed and a folder, save the youtube commenters some hassle :p
PatBatemanlol 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol LOL yes I'm still waiting on my fixed blades I wana test & review. Most bushcrafters will carry a large fixed & then a small knife sometimes 3 in for light processing. Heck I just want to avoid cross contamination lol.Strider's s30v is slight pain to sharpen still IMO. Chipping so far no prob with that but the only real advantage is S30v's chrome content to fight rust. To reprofile in the field s30v you're gona need some strong stuff. I think it's a good option heck CR pushes it
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol "Most firewood is already lying on the ground ready to be burned. "
Say what? I doubt you've ever been to woods.
KiloSierraAlpha 5 months ago
@KiloSierraAlpha LOL yeah there's a lot of preparation involved to make even a simple fire sustainable off a firesteel who knows I guess it could depend where he lives maybe & what plants are nearby.
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol you should watch bushcrafting videos before trying to sound all smart on here.
knifebunny05 5 months ago
@knifebunny05 OK, i just did and found out that the majority of buschrafters prefer fixed blades with scandi grinds for batoning and little friction folders or opinels for whittling....
PatBatemanlol 5 months ago
@PatBatemanlol you should watch bushcrafting videos before trying to sound all smart on here. AND he has other videos showing several knives being spine whacked. DUH!
knifebunny05 5 months ago
@knifebunny05 Hey whoever you are thanks a bunch for the support LOL ME & the Misses are thoroughly enjoying your commentary!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Ive always had the exact feeling you have about Chris Reeve knives. Im never really been a fan of them and always sold everyone that I had and never had any second thoughts. Sebbies are always a YouTube favorite but I just dont see why. Personally Id rather spend the money on a Strider or something else. Thanks for saving me the money I was gonna spend on an Umnum.
Great video Dave! I look forward to seeing more on the other knives you got from G3.
nosaj03 5 months ago
Well you sold me...No more CRK:s for me ("Only" have 2 of them suckers) Just got caught with all the positive reviews all over ytube. Guess no one wanted or dared to question them. Yes they are kind of great but for the money???
fredde90210 5 months ago
Always knew sebenza's were weak, ever since I held one in hand I knew it was more of a gents knife than anything tactical. Thanks for the vid and keep expressing your opinion, sebenza has many fanboys that all they do is hate because they're knife snobs. Btw are you going to do a review on the bastinelli?
Temperdgrump 5 months ago
@Temperdgrump you know what it is is why would a gent's folder (something that doesn't need many feaures other than comfort & looks) need dual Ti handles & cost this much without fancy embellishment or collectable value like those case knives that doggorunning has on his channel. I think gentlemans folders can be found for less & look more office or dinner table. For the price of CRK I feel like it should do what other knives at this level do & have the features to justify the cost.
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@Temperdgrump Heck even on Spyderco USA made they put a stainless steel lockbar add on or all those Lionsteels with the Rotoblock or those Anso Bokers with the stonewashed blade & pattern G10. Yah I really want to get to the Bastinelli there's only two left that I'm getting from them & that's it! They really keep saying no production run!!! PM them I keep telling them to make more. Try in french cuz Bastinelli doesn't speak english! He's under my subscriptions box. Did you see the test he did?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Chris reeve sounds like a dick...I like the sebenza I own a couple but I really don't hard use them...I like your vids ..imlove how you get all these peoples panties in a bunch ...Dave keep up the vids ..nice work
Hanhands315 5 months ago
@Hanhands315 LOL yah lots of panties bunching LOL
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Hmmmm.
AtPeacePiece 5 months ago
I disagree. But i don't use folders hard. All I know is my sebenza cuts and it cuts well, and it has cut for a long time.
razorback6111 5 months ago
Okay, my last comment. What I really like about these videos is that NK does these hard and potentially destructive tests on his own knives, so I do not have to do them on my knives. At a minimum, this gets us thinking about the strengths and weaknesses of the knives, and what tasks a specific knife may or may not be good at. A knife, (gun or any tool) is safe, not based on the features or lock type, but on the knowledge and skill of the user.
26point2madness 5 months ago
@26point2madness Well said Sir! Thanks yah I keep telling every1 buy it if you like it just be "aware"
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Just a suggestion on your reviewing techniques. You do make good points but when you bash almost everything about CRK, you lose a bit of credibility. It's like those political shows. The Dems say everything the Republicans do is bad, and vice-versa. At some point the views are so biased, you stop listening. Even though I believe your views and demonstrations are honest, it is starting to appear that there may be some type of grudge involved. I would also be mad too if C. Reeve ignored me.
26point2madness 5 months ago
@26point2madness Yah that's why I was hesitant to put this up but its my only review of the knife actually so thought I should have one up. It's not personal for me I really do believe it's not worth it. I told Mel my example of never hearing about a construction guy being a fan of his hammer & defending it lol who knows why Sebenza fans r like this. I'm just glad to finally wrap this up & move on. Thanks for always sticking by & the support!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
I wouldn't waste my money on Sebenza
gotcalves 5 months ago
Very good points sir:) I think CRK's are finely built and very nice gent's folders. But for harder use, I would not choose a CRK. I would actually want G10 because of the better grip. I think in the end, it's like you've said, it's all in what you want out of a knife. What would someone be willing to sacrifice in features for the particular knife. Like me, I really love OTF's but they are not the most practical knives out there. An Emerson wave is much faster to deploy. Thanks for the vid man!
darkchild57 5 months ago
@darkchild57 You're pretty scary with all those autos Dark! Maybe in another life u were an assassin like in that game assassin's creed LOL
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
The large sebenza sells for the same as an SnG. The small sebenza is $350. Paying $375 was too high. I'm not sure why you payed that. Yes I agree that the SnG lockup is tougher in taking abuse. But as you mentioned a design choice was how they did their lockup. In one year of using both knives my Sng has moved over a lot and probably doesn't have a long lifespan on the lock left. The sebenza has hardly moved at all. It's slow wearing. I'm out of space I'll coninue from a seperate post.
victorinoxfan 5 months ago
@victorinoxfan
I think what differs your opinion vs. others is the fact that you are looking at it from a purely tactical point of view. This is good on many other knives but brands like CRK (the sebenza line) or Klotzli (as an example )are just not designed in that frame of mind. As awesome as strider is I can't carry that in the office. Neither can I carry the Sage 2. It's too big for that usage. Plus when it comes to cost I don't think comparing a spyderco to strider or CRK is fair
victorinoxfan 5 months ago
@victorinoxfan
CRK and Strider are semi custom brands with very different cost structures than brands like spyderco and cold steel. I guess in the end I agree for your hard use the sebenza is a poor choice. It's designed for light to mid duty edc use (where I've never applied much force the back of the blade). I can't speak for the umnumzaan but I'll say it's not the right tool for the job you want your folders to do. Kind of like test driving a Mercedes E class in off road terrain lol.
victorinoxfan 5 months ago
@victorinoxfan Hey actually Vic F I think you'd be surprised how much more small scale & custom Strider is. Even the fact that the owners r still making knives themselves by hand compared to Reeve's mass production levels
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Also two final add on. It's good to see differing opinions even if I disagree with them. Keeps discussion open. When it comes to assembly I would suggest a little trick. The way they reccomend to put the sebenza together is to screw the scales together about 75%. slide the blade with washes and bushing then and then put the pivot screw in. You'll be able to put it together faster with reduced chances of a pinched washer.
victorinoxfan 5 months ago
@victorinoxfan I gota redo a vid of how to preserve the lockup of a Strider so people can stop wasting their lockbars!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives
This is something I'd like to see. I still have life on my lockbar since I never spinewhacked it (this reduces span of any liner or framelock. However I don't think I've got another year in it before spa treatment required. We'll see.
victorinoxfan 5 months ago
@victorinoxfan Yes I think though that a gentleman's folder is simple in nature. It doesn't need a lot of features so what makes it's cost more should be extravagance/elegance maybe embellishment ya know? There's many nice Gent folders for less cuz you don't really need such construction for what it's abilities are. All ti is kinda pointless ya know. But in all fairness Vic F I'd carry my Terzuola into work & scare the sh*te out of folks so I'm a bit out of the box lol
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
The way you disengage your frame locks bugs the shit out of me. I can always hear the lock bar grind against the blade like your pushing the blade closed while you close it. Use the tip of your thumb not your knuckle. That has to wear your lock bars prematurely
socomelite1 5 months ago 2
@socomelite1 No I know that's why on vid I tried again with my hand further down cuz I thought some1 might think this. I do it that way though because of gloves
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Some nice points. But I think Sebbie cuts better. Proof me wrong!!!! Compare it's cutting ability with sage 2 and a SnG please. Phone book cut test?
oromoto 5 months ago
@oromoto I'm still working on my vid list Tsu! I already wanted to do another sharpening vid still! Hey you could do paper slicing like a factory edge test comparison?!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives I think I can do that. But not promising anything :)
oromoto 5 months ago
I've always thought of CR knives as top notch gentlemen folders. Not so much a hard use knife. Considering it is Ti against a harder S30V. If I had the loot for a CR knife I'd probably still buy one, but I most def wouldn't use it for hard use. I reserve hard use for my fixed blade RAT-3 in EDC. Great vid though!
shaokem 5 months ago
@shaokem My fav fixed are Warren thomas knives have you ever looked into his ideas?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives Nope, I haven't. I've seen some of his work, just don't know a lot about him. Seems he does a lot of carbidizing.
shaokem 5 months ago
Reeve not Reeves
n2wilderness 5 months ago
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n2wilderness 5 months ago
great insight man. I now choose to watch one of your episodes instead of a half hour tv show! haha. I'm loving it. and I liked lookin at that BBR1. ;) take care man. keep speaking your mind.
jacksondoughty 5 months ago
@jacksondoughty yes finally the BBR1 should be coming up next in my vid to do list plys some more survival stuff
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Last post here. Just wanted to say I enjoy Neptuneknives and the videos despite my comments. I dont agree with some of your logic and I still think some of it is just completely wrong. However you are entitled to your opinions and I enjoy hearing them. Keep up the great work. I also look foward to future reviews on knives like the Bastanelli which looks pretty sick.
Kahrrr 5 months ago
@Kahrrr Yah it's just food for individual thought. Each person in the end of course should take what they feel is pertinent & come to their own conclusion. Rightly said sir! Yah I'm just glad to move past this whole CR nonsense yah those Bastinellis & also Warren Thomas stuff is on my list & I'm really looking forward to reviewing those along with more preparation style stuff - Thanks man
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Can you do a vid spine whacking the knife 55 times in a row. I think you only spine whacked the sebenza 11 times before stopping and typically, in the field, I spine whack my folders 55 times. I need to know how they perform after 55 spine whacks in the field, not 11 spine whacks.
alxra 5 months ago
@alxra LOL I don't use the knife in the field the blade grind isn't very good for wood work Did you see blunttruth's vid about the sage? I'd stick with a Sage my friend or whatever else you like
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives All kidding aside, you make a very good point about the sage vs. sebenza and value. I think what gets lost in the shuffle is how or why a market places value on a product or service. Rather than performance, the market may place more value on brand name, industrial design, image, quality of raw materials used, etc.
alxra 5 months ago
It is what it is, I'd probably expect better service from a knife company in which I paid $300+ for one of their knives. To be fair though the whole issue of value gets blurry once it gets beyond $200 (I think). I think Benchmade/ Spyderco both make pocket knives that have as much value as Sebenzas but I'm sure some people like it for more aesthetic purposes and the fact that it's a Sebenza. I like the way Greg Lightfoot's look but would probably nevery drop that kind of scratch for a knife.
alwagp 5 months ago
@alwagp yes many people r fans of the Axis locks strength & easy deployment & every1 respects Spyderco for constantly revising & improving their stuff based on customer feedback.
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives- to me it wouldn't make sense to spend $300 on a knife when a Ruger LC9 is $350 but that just applies to tactical applications (how do you win a knife fight? bring a gun). I can understand if someone thinks that a Sebenza is like a piece of art and thus justifies the price but in that sense you really can't try to convince them about features or even quality. in any case I'd still expect better customer service than what you got.
alwagp 5 months ago
dude. i totally thought this was a vid where you were going to color the titanium with a torch or something. will torching the lockbar harden it and make it work better or give it more durability.
PavlovSandor 5 months ago
@PavlovSandor Pav the hardness of Ti can only reach mid 50 plus then there'd be the need to quench it after. It's not that great to try. You can look it up I'll look further into it too & PM you. Carbidizing or graphite lube on a ti framelock is still the better options my friend. Plus flaming it will make a brown spot. Mr. Reeve's covers it on the outside with bead blast so you don't see it
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives CRK does *carburize* the titanium lock bar. That is why it has the "flamed" appearance. It essentially surface hardens it. That is why they don't bead blast that area.
bigbubba5037 5 months ago
@bigbubba5037 nope sir go check out the vid by three sisters forge a carbidized lockbar looks rather grainy. carbidized lockbars are not smooth looking at all
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives I know the difference between carbBIDizing and CARBURIZING. They are completely different. So yes, you are right in the sense that it is not carBIDizing, but you need to pay attention to spelling because they are two completely different terms. The sebenza's lock is carburized.
bigbubba5037 5 months ago
@bigbubba5037 Oops my bad man I"ve been dealing with Sebenza flaming all day today so i didn't even pay attention. CaruBURizing is different thank you learned something new well is it something that much improved? I notice yeah sebbie can last but the lockup kinda dictates that more I think. Know of other companies that do this?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives No big deal. haha I can understand how one might mistake it. I know it is a wear resistance thing to carburize the titanium so that in essence the bar wears a little more even with the hardness of the blade steel. It is mostly just a surface hardener, thats why that portion isn't bead blasted. I honestly don't really know of many other companies that do it, mostly due to the fact that I haven't really researched it. How much better it is than a standard lock bar, I couldn't say.
bigbubba5037 5 months ago
@bigbubba5037 Hmmm... with all my taking everything apart I've yet to find this done either. Jim at Three Sisters tells me that Ti doesn't take hardening well & it'll pit & gall. I had to look this up & I'm not sure still but he may be right. The Sage 2 fresh out of box has a weird kinda sandpaper gunk on the face but it's not Tungsten... Sigh* Thanks for the tip though Bubba LOL
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
Good for you for posting this video. Very awesome!
THERoxyStarr 5 months ago
You are right. If there is a equivalent product at 1/2 the price then the poor old sebenzer is going to have a hard time competing.
troy5690 5 months ago
I was never a big fan of CR knives before, now I'm really not a fan and would never buy one unless I got a killer deal and bought it to resell! This is deffinetly a case of you do not get what you pay for!
flraptor07 5 months ago
@flraptor07 they're hard to resell. Pete had to sell a new umnumzaan for 130 less than what he paid. They're mass produced so not good for value sake
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
@NeptuneKnives Be careful with anecdotal examples. I sold my Umnumzaan for $25 under the full retail I paid, but I sold my Strider SNG DDG for $75 under full retail. Both were in excellent condition. Resale value from any individual in not necessarily a good representation of how the the resale value as a whole is. There is always supply, demand and many other issues that determine resale value at a specific point in time.
26point2madness 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Also, if you are talking about Pietermoore's Umnumzaan (no offense to him), but he did not appear to be the best salesman so I would not go by his example.
26point2madness 5 months ago
@26point2madness LOL ok yeah I know Pete in his vid was kinda rough around the edges LOL small world huh?
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
I got my sage 2 to disengage by doing what you did with it and it was brand new. Keep up the great work!
Bladedude92 5 months ago
@Bladedude92 yah who knows that's why I said ignore the whole failing part & just look at the other aspects like features & construction. My old sebbie lockup was different. This time good enough. ur sage not, mine good. See that's why safety choil is a must!
NeptuneKnives 5 months ago
GRETA vid! These Sebenzas are way overpriced for what you get. You get a nice gentleman's folder and not a tactical blade or a blade that can be abused.
KiloSierraAlpha 5 months ago