Rep. Grayson Introduces Bill to Allow Anyone to Buy Into Medicare at Cost

[ChocolateORE]

Weiner/Grayson 2012! encourage you to check Rep. WEINER take on republicans! He's also great!

[lenny1114]

WHY NOT MEDICAL FOR ALL I LIKE THAT

[lucir1000]

Wonderful Medicare for all!

[mollycanadian]

Sounds like a great choice to me!

[OrmEmber]

Why is it that Grayson and Kucinich have a spine, but the others are only too happy to back down or be bought off, like Baucus, Joe "go for the dough" Lieberman, Mike Ross, and others?

I worked for WellPoint, Kaiser and Blue Cross; they actually feel that they are entitled to your premiums without covering you. They resent paying out any fees, and look for any excuse to drop you from coverage. This is what the GOP say people are "happy" with?

[alphafactor]

@OrmEmber

Society tends to look down upon non-conformists.

Being looked down upon means fewer votes on Election Day.

Ergo, since the Democratic Leadership confuses principled public policy with non-conformism, they try to hold back representatives like Grayson.

[kravens001]

is it sad i almost mistook this for a vid from the ONION network? this is getting silly..

[deathwish2912]

Perhaps if they let people buy in at cost plus a percentage . . . something like say 15%, so that it would be more competitive with private insurance, they could get more support across party lines AND use the 'profit' to help fund Medicaid, or provide premium assistance to those that want to buy in but it is still too expensive for them.,

[RawFoodKevin]

You mean less competitive. If you want to add 15% to the cost of Medicare for all, it would be less competitive with private insurance.

And it's not about "more support across party lines". It's about K Street lobbyists paying legalized bribes across party lines to kill any kind of Medicare for all or single payer.

Plus the government is not in this for "more profit". Their job is to provide for the general welfare of all. However, cutting out private insurers will provide savings for people!

[barbcinque]

otherwise, our only option is to just let them die. unfortunately, many will end up broke and owing money as they will deplete all of their assets fighting to save their lives or that of their loved ones. so maybe, we can have an open pit policy in neighborhoods where there is a high incidence of toxic materials, sickness and working class people so we can burn the dead bodies of the diseased. voila! get rid of the sick and this way we can keep paying for our wars!

problem solved.

[barbcinque]

its funny...so many are complaining about the options being offered to those of us who are afraid of our insurance companies screwing us when its really none of their business. meanwhile, when their insurance companies cut them off...we all end up footing the bill. we need single payer!!!

[1RoaringMonk]

it makes to much sense -we cant have that

[jensen1901]

God damnit this is a GREAT idea. Grayson is amazing and I will support this man any way I can.

[SickBoyZap5]

If this man represents the future of the american 'left',.....were in good hands.

[sirjames45]

What a typical lib! The guy is rich and whining that HE had to pay for HIS OWN CHILD to be born!

How tragic!! What a socialist liar he is. I know two different men, who when they found out the wife was pregnant, starting making payments to the local hospital, and when the baby was born, the bill was already paid.

Socialist liars!!

[RawFoodKevin]

Socialist liars? I guess you didn't hear the part where he said he was lucky because he had the money and that most middle income class people may not have been so lucky.

But of course, in your deluded rabbit hole world, there is nothing wrong with socialized corporate welfare and health insurance monopolies that gouge consumers and deny coverage if they actually try to use their insurance for anything more serious than a checkup. Is that right?

[RawFoodKevin]

Meanwhile, because of socialized corporate welfare, not to mention reduced taxes and generous loopholes for the upper 1% plutocracy who now pay a smaller percentage of their income than the middle class, the upper 1% now owns more than the bottom 95%, which I presume includes Y-O-U!

Why do you support socialized corporate welfare, which is impoverishing the middle class?

[Lucem2]

I'm for the Public Option because is a simpler more elegant and economic solution rather than the proposed humongous bill, which runs the risk to end up as a corp welfare for the Insurance Cos as they find loopholes on the 2000 pages bill.

Reusing Medicare seems like a smart option.

[SickBoyZap5]

You are right about everything you've said! And you HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I FEEL YOUR FRUSTRATION!

I would give my left nut for a strong public option!

But these bastards are trying to block everything and they are close to getting away with it!

Most of us just can't wait any longer!

45,000 of us are dying every year!

[Lucem2]

This plan is what Howard Dean has been proposing for a while.

Make it happen and lets move on !!.

Fuck Obama, Grayson 2012 !

[SickBoyZap5]

YES! LET"S RUN OFF INTO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION!

I'M SURE THE AMERICAN POPULACE WILL BE PATIENT!

Alan Grayson the man! I love his work! He has balls that the Dems need. Even though I live in So. Cal. I contribute to his campaigns and I sign his petitions regularly!

But, although I completely agree with what he says here, we need to rally around the President now and we can build on a future PERFECT System later.

THIS MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE WE GET FOR ANOTHER 28 YEARS!

[RawFoodKevin]

You sound like a fearful sound bite for big pharma.

Why settle for what they want, when the vast majority of voters still want single payer?

Why should we allow our representatives in Congress to commit mutiny against us, again?

The time to take a stand is now. If we don't the next bill will also be more of the same.

If you're not with WE THE PEOPLE, you're with the lobbyists, big business and the upper 1% plutocracy

We now have 51 votes in the Senate, all we need is Pelosi in the House.

[SickBoyZap5]

If you think that the 51 votes won't slip away AGAIN!!!

I'M WITH YOU!!!

SINGLE PAYER etc.

All of it is exactly what I want! It's what we deserve and is the only thing that will really do justice to the populace. It makes my stomach turn to think that the HMO Cartel has been able to water down Any Health Care proposal still on the table!

If I go that route and suddenly 2 more Senators that NOBODY EVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT, turn for the HMO's and we have nothing I get to slap you...OK!

[Lucem2]

I like it.

Much Simpler, Cheaper and elegant.

Only 4 Pages !!

The current 2,000+ proposed bill is an invitation to loopholes that can be exploited by Insurance Cos and even Consumer Fraud.

[SickBoyZap5]

If we could actually have a chance to make it pass I would sell my house to make it happen! We, I think, want the same thing!

And I completely appreciate your sentiment.

But ask yourself this. If the bill, as it stands to be submitted before the president after reconcilliation, isn't going to help, then why is the HMO Cartel so freaked out about it's passage!?

Why are they spending millions to block it, and trying to scare the moderate DEMs to back away from it?

[SickBoyZap5]

It's absolutely perfect! But the public won't wait any longer. The Republitards are going to profit emensely if we allow reconcilliation to fail.

And then be prepared for a lame duck presidency and a new Republitard "Dark age" that will make GWB look like a socialist!

[MrEhamburglar]

Yeah, the two party system is real and not a front for elitists. Keep living the lie bro, keep living the lie.

[SickBoyZap5]

Thanks for proving my point!

"Elitists"

Straight out of the Right wing play book.

I can understand why you don't like my attemps to get the left to rally around a central issue.

[RawFoodKevin]

You are twisting MrE's words. Please stop being so dishonest.

If you can't argue intelligently and logically, perhaps that means you cannot post a credible counter argument in your defense.

And if you can't post a credible argument, one can reasonably surmise that you are wrong and MrE is right!

[SickBoyZap5]

I don't even know what the hell you are talking about!? I haven't text HERE in a bit less than a week!

[SickBoyZap5]

Another entry in your play book-

Educated citizens are "Elitists". And if the poor manage to get an education- simply make fun of them and claim they are ARROGANT and conceited), etc., etc.

[RawFoodKevin]

You have posted a straw man argument and are wrong!

MrE meant "elitists" are not us, but are the upper 1% who control enough of both Blue Dog Fascist Democrats and Neocon-Fascist Republicans to always get their way, no matter which party is in control of the government

In other words, the Democratic Party, controlled by the Blue Dog Fascists ,and the Republican Party, controlled by the Neocon-Fascists have merged (unofficially of course) into the Unitary Fascist Party

Keep living the lie bro.

[SickBoyZap5]

Can you see Russia from your Mommies window?

[SickBoyZap5]

I have found the thread and I remember what we were talking about now (turns out less than three days ago).

Sorry, don't even come close to agreeing with you. If your claiming there's an equivocation on the term "Elitist" than by all means give me an explaination for what "MrEhamburglar" meant, cuz you apparently can channel.

[Philinspaces]

At least he has the balls to stand by what he believes.

[suprabuddha]

Makes sense to me, but of course the repiublican party and the fox news fascists will shoot it down for politcal gain.

[moonstarmac]

Okay let me start off by saying that I'm one of the many who have cheered for a health care overhaul since Obama called for it. Hell I'm a Naval Veteran with overall good health who can't afford health care because of the BS prices insurance companies are allowed to charge. But thanks to the republican fear tactics and idiots who believe them it seems like I'll still be waiting for the day I can afford health care. The solution is simple, vote everyone out and put new people in!

[guybuddyson]

alright, i read the bill a couple of times and it looks as though he'd basically cut and paste a bunch of brackets of age groups, that were citizens or permanent residents, into being able to buy into medicare.

treatment support would be handled differently, though i'm not sure what he's saying about it at the end.

also, line 11 and 12 make me curious of what paras (4) and (5) in 1818 are to disable enrollment.

still, this is really transparent. we need to do something about this! tell someone!

[Larzabeth]

Right on Rep. Grayson !

[niolamarie]

He should be a leader. I agree with Kucinich but if we don't have Grayson, we can't go forward and fight for our right.

Kudos to Grayson, seek the solution not just bending or complaining but lead our way!! Thank you

[Bittermanscolon]

Whats with the edit at 1:57? 80% of what of the health care market? That sounds about right, but would like to be sure.

Anyone? Bueller?

[TrollBuster9090]

VooDoo Economics, the Laffer Curve, and the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.

(Can I go have sex with Mia Sara now?)

[fanirama]

Grayson for President !! This man HAS what it takes. He's trying to walk the talk now with bills like these. We need more people like him, Weiner, Kucinich and Obama and we can get things done.. Obama can't bend Congress - its the constitution's check and balance preventing that. But with more good folks like these real change can come to America finally. Support these folks.. Its ours and our children's future we support.

[nateag]

The only way this could have been better is if he had ended with..." The Canadians are laughing at us!"

[jetblack2123]

This guy gets it!

[slatchem2016]

Anyone who supports this bill is a moron.

Boo hoo Mr. Grayson. Life sucks, doesn't it.

[Roggocop]

You're not that bright are you?

[fury2112]

Why? Explain yourself before you call someone a moron, you fucking piece of shit.

[slatchem2016]

@fury2112

Lets see,

first and foremost-this bill has no constitutional authority.

second-to mention that a bill is going to lower costs, deficits is pointless, because it is just based on whatever a politician says. The OMB can only score stuff based on what they are given, so numbers can easily be fudged. We already saw how terrible the government was at running medicare and how that entitlement has fucked up this country

[fury2112]

Where are your numbers on how terrible medicare has been run?

[slatchem2016]

@fury2112

four-entities that are for profit are better than those that are not for profit. Greed is good. They lead to better products that people actually want. They save lives, spur growth and rise the standard of living for all people.

five-why ruin things for the 90% who like their insurance? I

six-does anyone understand how insurance actually works?

[fury2112]

So how does giving people the option of buying into medicare ruining the so-called 90% who are happy with their insurance?

Also, where is that 90%? What numbers back that up?

[RawFoodKevin]

Please provide the proof.

Otherwise, all you are doing is asserting your wrong headed opinions as facts, which is quite illogical and completely refutable.

[mundane1]

Closed captioning says that he had "pirate twins" ROFL.

[Dwicker64]

The first honest words I've heard in a long time. Go Alan Grayson!!!!!!

[bobbo924B]

The last election was a progressive response to the corruption and favoritism of the Bush debacle years. Alan Grayson is holding the liberal agenda before the public and I thank him for it.

[ffirb]

God Bless Alan Grayson! Republicans can all go to Hell!

[slatchem2016]

alan grayson need to be defeatd.

[Partisan5417]

you needed to spel right

[Grey80002]

It's so simple and so concise that after all the pork is added congress will still be able to read it - maybe.

[SickBoyZap5]

Yeah stop Obama anyway you can. It doesn't matter that 45,000 Americans are dying every year for lack of coverage...

[jgoldaz]

He doesn't say what the cost would be. Medicare's current annual cost per person is over $12,000. Would the cost for a family of four be $48,000? The $12,000 is because right now, they only cover old people. Would they age rate it? If so, what would the cost actually be? The devil is in the details.

[mdevere2]

The cost is divvied up amongst age cohorts:

"the estimate of the monthly actuarial rate under section 1818(d) shall be computed and applied under this paragraph based upon costs incurred for individuals within each age cohort"

Basically, the bill is budget-neutral. It doesn't add or remove anything from the national budget or medicare.

It's all outlined in the bill, which is only 4 pages, double spaced, with large margins, so you really ought to read it.

[RawFoodKevin]

Your numbers are unrealistic.

Granted, the costs, whatever their true numbers, are high now because only people who can use it are senior citizens, the most expensive age group.

Once you allow younger people to participate, the costs will be dramatically reduced. Also, fixed infrastructure costs will be spread out over a larger amount of participants.

As further proof, the CBO estimates we can cut our over all costs in half if we did away with for profit health insurance companies.

[TrollBuster9090]

Medicare's current annual cost per person is over $12000 because it's a government medical insurance program that only covers the most expensive clients (the elderly), leaving the private companies to cherry pick the more profitable younger customers. A perfect example of "LEMON SOCIALISM."

Adding people UNDER 65 to the system would only LOWER the cost.

Read this:

pnhp. org/publications/payingnotgett­ing. pdf

[jgoldaz]

There doesn't seem to be anything in the bill to keep people from signing up only if they get sick. This will raise the costs because they'll end up only covering sick people.

That seems like a pretty big flaw that would need to be fixed,.

[kirby4d]

@jgoldaz No it wont. I would sign up as soon as I am off my family plan, which is only a few years away.

[jgoldaz]

Yes it would. Lots of people would save those hundreds of dollars a month by not signing up for any health plan. Why would they when they can sign up at any time if they actually need it.

It's immaterial what you would personally would do. I guarantee there are enough bastards out there to break the system unless you address it.

[kirby4d]

There's not really any evidence for your statement. People currently buy insurance before an incident or not at all (they cant afford it or dont want it). So there is no reason to believe government-run insurance would be any different.

[jgoldaz]

So we should let people buy fire insurance even if their house has burned down. Youre saying that no one would just save all their insurance money and only buy the fire insurance if they know they need it. Thats pretty naïve. I think there are lots of people who wont buy the fire insurance until they see their house reduced to a smoldering pile. At that point, theyll think I guess Ill buy some fire insurance. And you think they should be able to? Think about it.

[kirby4d]

You cant buy fire insurance after your house burns down. That's not what I'm talking about. Dont use nonsense analogies when we already have the private insurance corporations as an analogy. People dont buy insurance when they get sick. They buy it before, or they dont at all. Why would this suddenly be any different with a Medicare buy-in? Think about it.

[jgoldaz]

Under the bill as it's currently written, you CAN wait to buy into Medicare until after you get sick. That's exactly what I'm talking about and it's what I've been talking about the entire time. If that flaw isn't fixed, it will bankrupt the system because people won't pay into it until AFTER they get sick. I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that.

[kirby4d]

No it isnt. And even if it was, not many people would do that. How many people actually read bills and find loopholes? And again, even if they did, how many really would do that even if it helps them more. People dont buy insurance after the fact, even if it's possible in private sector insurance.

Stop making up your own reality.

[jgoldaz]

Yes it does. Go read it and tell me where in the bill it keeps people from signing up after they get sick. Go ahead and post that part here so we can all see it..

How many people would wait? We can argue that all day but I probably can't convince you. I guarantee you that people who have expensive medical bills now will immediately sign up. If a bill like this passes, word will get around.

I'll give you one thing, you're lack of common sense is amusing.

[kirby4d]

I read it and it doesnt say "Persons can buy in to Medicare after becoming sick." Once again, certainly they could do that with private insurance companies—yet few, if anyone, are doing that.

Just because something is possible, does not mean it will happen. There is absolutely no reason to believe this would happen.

It doesnt even make any sense. How is a new insurance plan going to pay for past bills?

[jgoldaz]

This bill allows people with pre-existing conditions to get coverage. If it didn't, it would say so. You read the bill, you can see that there's no clause against it.

You want to allow it at first because you want people who are sick and don't have coverage to get it. What you don't want is people who are healthy now to wait until they get sick to buy in. You need healthy people to cover the sick ones.

This is all very obvious. I don't know why you're arguing against it.

[kirby4d]

Do you even know what a pre-existing condition is? That's one of the biggest complaints about private insurance is that they drop you when you have one or dont allow you to buy it if you have one. Of course the bill is going to allow people with those to buy in.

You still have not addressed the point that people sign up for insurance right now whether they are sick or not. Nor have you provided any evidence that people would just wait to buy in. "Common sense" is not a valid argument.

[jgoldaz]

Unlike you, I've been paying for health insurance for me and my family of size for over 30 years. I don't get it through work, I pay for it myself. I know what a pre-existing condition is. I also know why insurance companies do it. If they didn't, people would wait until they get sick and NEED insurance before they would buy it. If they didn't restrict pre-existing conditions, they'd go broke.

Your thinking is really messed up. You'll make a good solid liberal.

[kirby4d]

That's very nice. Apparently you dont know what a pre-existing condition is because you continue to insist that any bill should still ban them. What would be the point in reform then? The whole purpose of all this reform is to stop all the nonsense that capitalist firms do and ensure everyone has health insurance at a good cost.

You continue to not provide any evidence that people, on average, would wait until they get sick to buy insurance.

for the record, I am not a liberal. I hate liberals.

[RawFoodKevin]

Lemon Socialism?

Is that the same as Corporate Welfare Socialism?

Either way, WE THE PEOPLE lose and the upper 1% plutocracy wins, again.

[jgoldaz]

When you buy private medical insurance, you have to provide them with your medical history. Anything that you've already been diagnosed with they will not pay for. It's called a pre-existing condition. So if you get sick the treatment is going to be $100,000, private insurance will not cover it. That's why you buy the insurance BEFORE you get sick. So you'll be covered in case you do.

Some people try it. They lie about their medical history just so they'll be covered. It's a big problem.

[RawFoodKevin]

It's not a problem for senior citizens. Please explain how it will be a problem if everyone above poverty income has a choice to buy private insurance or Medicare and no one can be turned away for preexisting conditions?

Everyone is covered from day one.

[jgoldaz]

Senior citizens don't have the choice. They're automatically covered because they've been paying for it (involuntarily) their entire working lives.

I've already explained the problem with preexisting conditions. At start up, you could allow them for six months or something but if you make it open ended, there's no incentive for people to sign up unless they get sick.

[avaistheone]

I think Rep. Grayson's plan is absolutely brilliant. He has my complete support on this one.

[TPAUSA]

Awesome!

Makes all the sense in the world.

[jdmdetroit]

Medicare for all. Great idea.

[IFloridaMotocrossI]

Goddamn, I love Grayson!

He's definitely getting my vote!

[SickBoyZap5]

You lucky bastard, you can actually move to his district in Florida. LOL!

Gotta love this guy.

Grayson/ Franken 2016!

[kokesanusa]

We need this. Not some convoluted giveaway to the insurance companies.

[JoeltheStampede]

Excuse my youtube language, but this guy is the tits!

[MaryJesusJoseph]

An excellent, non-confusing plan.

[sliznim]

In that recent poll (see Orlando Sentinal) he received more support from Republicans in his district than all of the Republican candidate hopefuls combined. Saying he has no Republican support is simply untrue.

[sliznim]

At least with this man you know where he stands. More than can be said for 98% of politicians in DC at the moment. I would vote for him over just about anyone.

[patrioticlib]

This guy makes so much sense it makes my head spin! Medicare for all if they want it. Who can it hurt? Oh, yeah the insurance companies will start crying. We can't have that! Silly me.

[bogofusion]

THIS IS MY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!  He gets it. SImple, straight forward, and he does not support endless war. I think he's the real deal. And Republicans like him too. (Who would have thunk)

[mcv47]

@bogo Surely you jest!! Name one repub that supports this neanderthal.

[BParent86]

@mcv47 Grayson has more Republican support in his district than all of his Republican opponents combined. Granted, Florida is a very, very backwards place, but this is the raw statistical fact.

[IFloridaMotocrossI]

Funny how you use Grayson's own insults against him. Talk about lack of originality...

Anyways, Grayson ironically has 28% of the Republican vote. That's more than twice as much as any Republican candidate.

Grayson is a populist, and he has strength and blunt honesty. Anyone will vote for that these days...

[Avatarrokuu]

@bogofusion You do realize that the other republicans are messing up everything that Obama is trying to now?

[whispersinmorn]

about time. crossing my fingers.

[modustheoperandi]

Looks like those fingers are going to be crossed for a long time, because this shit ain't gonna pass.

[whispersinmorn]

where is your HOPE?

[guybuddyson]

my hope is dying when all we do is cross our fingers. shouldn't we be doing something?

[Bobbiethejean]

This guy gives me hope that we can change things, something Obama has utterly failed to convince me of.

[SickBoyZap5]

So OBAMA has taken away your HOPE because the REPUBLICANS in CONGRESS have blocked and obstructed everything in CONGRESS!

Obama is neither a CONGRESSMAN nor a SENATOR.

Get mad at the right people!

The G.O.P. is counting on misplaced anger.

[Bobbiethejean]

Obama has broken numerous campaign promises, some of which constitute the main reasons I voted for him. He has shown weakness, incompetence, and irresolution. He's also a liar, having run on a liberal platform then moved to the right once in office.

The best things that can be said of him are he's good at giving pretty speeches, he's not a moron, and his foreign policy is passable. Otherwise, he's pretty much watered down Bush.

I'm angry and disillusioned with him and the democrats.

[sobman]

@Bobbiethejean

He's only broken 16. Shit, a few of them are questionable at that.

I dont think that's bad.

[SickBoyZap5]

Be angry and disilusioned all you want! So am I. But if you don't see the hands of the Republican party in all this and want to blame Obama because he's trying, and finding that Washington is a tougher nut than he ever could've imagined, than I hope you join the Republican party! It will be no loss.

By the way I'm SURE McCAIN WOULD"VE HAD IT ALL FIXED BY NOW!

The G.O.P. is laughing their collective asses off right now at how the Democrats eat their young!

[Bobbiethejean]

You're an idiot. Just because I think Obama is a useless, politically incompetent pantywaist doesn't mean I want to throw in with a bunch of greedy, compassionless, corporate shill manifestations of hypocrisy incarnate.

[SickBoyZap5]

"You're an idiot." Your the type of Floridian 1999 Nader voter that gave us George W. for 8 FUQQIN years!

Join the G.O.P. and go on Rush's channel already.

P. S. Your the "Useless, politically incompetent pantywaist.

[RawFoodKevin]

Nader voters disenfranchised thousand of Floridians off the voter rolls?

Nader voters screwed up the ballots in some districts, causing Gore voters to vote for someone else?

Nader voters declared Bush the winner before all the votes were counted?

Nader voters shipped in Republican bullies to start a faux riot during the ballot counting?

Nader voters on the Supreme Court behaved badly and forced Florida to stop the vote count?

Nader voters stole the election for Bush?

[SickBoyZap5]

Where did I say that Nader voters did any of that?

What I was saying is that, after being warned that the Florida vote was going to be incredibly close, and that a vote for Nader could very well swing the State for GWB, Ralph Nader & Co., people who's political beliefs were WORLDS CLOSER TO THAT OF GORE THAN GWW, went right ahead and were the deciding edge that gave us 8 yrs of GWB!

There is no consideration of the words of Ted Kennedy: "DON'T LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD"!

[RawFoodKevin]

Nader didn't matter. If he would never had ran, the Neocons would have found another way to steal Florida and the presidential election.

You could argue that Gore himself handed the election to Bush by not fighting it in Congress. So don't try to turn Nader into a scapegoat for Gore's incompetence and inexplicable passivity.

[SickBoyZap5]

I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT THE G.O.P. DIDN'T RIG THE FLORIDA VOTE!

Absolutely! But in the end they still were facing a shortage that they were barely able to stop in time by blocking the "Recount". If you think that close call was all by G.O.P. design you couldn't be more deceived. That was the last thing that they wanted! It was an embarrassment that they almost couldn't fix!

THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE THE NADER VOTE CAME INTO PLAY!

[RawFoodKevin]

Your debating angels on a pinhead, and dwelling on the inconsequential.

Good-by!

[SickBoyZap5]

45,00 Americans are dying every year!

[Bobbiethejean]

I voted for Gore, dumbass. Besides, W got the vote because of Harris, something you'd know if you weren't an idiot.

You're P.S. only further proves what an idiot you are since that insult is totally irrelevant to me. It's like calling an oven a bad dishwasher. You fail at insults.

Lastly, you're no better than the mindless, goosestepping, dittoheads who yessed Bush to infinity. As liberals, we CANNOT do that with Obama! The results won't be any better than they were with W.

[SickBoyZap5]

ARE YOU REALLY THAT SLOW?!

I never said shit about who you voted for in 1999!

I'll put it in CRAYON for you!

45,000 of us are dying every year because they don't have Medical care and can't afford it.

I FUQQIN HATE THE COMPROMISES THAT HAVE HAD TO BE MADE ON HEALTHCARE BECAUSE THE G.O.P.'s OBSTRUCTION!

But we have now for the 1st time in decades THE BEGINING of healthcare reform! And because it's not exactly what you & I want you're trashing Obama.

And the begining of reform.

[RawFoodKevin]

Don't blame this on GOP obstruction. Blame Blue Dog DINO-Fascists, who sold their souls on the cheap to the K Street lobbyists, who bribed Dems into allowing the health insurance companies to write the horrendous and unconstitutional Obama/Rahmbo bill that is nothing but another give away to the corporatocracy!

Why won't the Dems use reconciliation? BECAUSE OVER 90% OF VOTERS DON'T WANT IT!!!

Grayson's bill is the right way to go. Single payer for all. Socialized Corporate Welfare for none!

[SickBoyZap5]

Absolutely! Grayson's bill "IS" the right way to go! But impossible at this point.

What is possible, at this point, is allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

[RawFoodKevin]

It's not impossible if WE THE PEOPLE want it bad enough.

WE THE PEOPLE just stopped Congress from passing the socialized corporate welfare bill. So stop talking like we can't MAKE THEM do what we want them to do.

WE THE PEOPLE are the government, not our representatives, who just work for us.

Collectively, WE can do anything we want. They have to do everything WE say!

[SickBoyZap5]

WE THE PEOPLE, need to get Congress to do exactly what we say! We need to strip lobbyists of their power and influence!

AND TO DO THAT YOU DON'T START OFF BY LOSING BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS!

[RawFoodKevin]

Voting for Grayson's bill will only win more seats in Congress.

It's voting for Obama's unconstitutional corporate written bill that will assure LOSING BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS!

[SickBoyZap5]

Yousaid:

"mindless, goosestepping, dittoheads"

REALLY?

I hope those being thrown out of their homes because medical bills are destroying the future of so many in the middle class understand that WE NEED TO WAIT ANOTHER 28 YEARS! UNTIL YOU FIND THAT PERFCT CANIDATE THAT SATISFIES EVERY ONE OF YOUR DEMANDS!

It's funny, but you are the very reason that the progressives have been dominated by the MINORITY PARTY RIGHTWING NEANDERTHALS in this country.

[Bobbiethejean]

Liberal democrats' distinct and undeniable lack of anything even remotely resembling balls and a spine are what have allowed the insaneos on the right to take over. Face it, our party is the party of cowardly, simpering, spineless, politically incompetent, twats. And unfortunately, we can now add goosestepping and dittohead to that.

The only hope we have, I believe, are people like Grayson, Weiner, and possibly Barney Frank. People who are strong and resolute in their convictions.

[Bobbiethejean]

Oh, and of course, Howard Dean.

[SickBoyZap5]

Again I am about 75% in agreement. But when you say:

"Liberal democrats' distinct and undeniable lack of anything even remotely resembling balls"

Wrong again! MODERATE AND BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES HAVING,

"distinct and undeniable lack of anything even remotely resembling balls".

[RawFoodKevin]

Bobbiethejean (5 days ago) said:

'Liberal democrats' distinct and undeniable lack of anything even remotely resembling balls and a spine are what have allowed the insaneos on the right to take over. Face it, our party is the party of cowardly, simpering, spineless, politically incompetent, twats. And unfortunately, we can now add goosestepping and dittohead to that.

The only hope we have... Grayson, Weiner, and possibly Barney Frank. People who are strong and resolute in their convictions.'

[nick16watt]

Don't forget Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.

[RawFoodKevin]

The unconstitutional Obama/Rahmbo Corporate Welfare Socialist Bill will force people to buy over priced, under insured policies.

So people will still be thrown out of their homes.

People will still be denied coverage.

People will still be condemned to die by corporate 'death panels'.

But, what is important here is the upper 1% get to steal even more of our money while we die early deaths!

[SickBoyZap5]

And your idea is:

trash Obama, call his plan socialist, give the left no support, make him and the left look completely stupid so the G.O.P. trounces them in Nov, take over both houses of Congress and set up GWB II and.....

what exactly is your strategy again?

[RawFoodKevin]

If you haven't noticed, McCain and Lieberman just presented the most treasonous bill ever. You do know what they do with traitors in a time of war mongering war, don't you?

Any criticism of the government is subject to immediate arrest! Their Enemy Belligerents Bill would have us both arrested without any rights for what we posted in this thread! It turns the US into 1934 Germany.

This dysfunctional government is caused by both treasonous parties, not just the Democrats or Republicans.

[SickBoyZap5]

Agreed! Absolutely! Treasonists in our midst. Don't get me stated on 'Lie' berman!

If he felldown in my grocery store parking lot I'd hope it was behind my car-I wouldn't look in my rearview mirror!

[RawFoodKevin]

It is not just the Republicans, but the Blue Dog DINO-Fascist Democrats who also participated in allowing the K Street lobbyists to write the worst bill in history.

Obama went along with this. Any Progressive Democrat who tried to introduce Medicare for all or single payer got thrown under the bus by Obama's hit man, Rahmbo.

Elect Progressive Democrats in the primaries over Blue Dogs!

In the next Democratic Presidential Primary, elect Progressive Democrat Grayson, Kucinich, or Howard Dean

[SickBoyZap5]

AMEN! throw out ALL OF THE "BLUE DOGS"!

[SickBoyZap5]

Don't forget Al Franken.

[TrollBuster9090]

At the very least this turns the heat back on from the progressive side. The national health insurance exchange with the public option was the CENTRIST COMPROMISE, not the far-left position as the HMO lobby managed to portray it.

Doing nothing,(or better yet, doing nothing but muzzling malpractice lawyers, allowing pharms to make bigger profits) was the conservative plan, single payer was the prog, and this is centrist.

A bill like this might put the Overton Window back where it belongs.

[Fringe111]

I like this guy, smart as hell.

[jsims85]

@Bobbiethejean seriously dude what did you really expect? Jimmy Carter??

[Bobbiethejean]

Nerp derp. I responded to the wrong comment. But to answer your question, I was naive. I actually believed in all that hope and change BS.

[moonstarmac]

People like you who are too eager to "abandon ship" are the reason Obama doesn't have the support he needs to prove that the American people are ready to tell Congress to stuff the bull and get work done. I've read your comments here, and you are a 100% flip flop, bouncing from one side of the table to the other like a ping pong ball in the game of politics.  You call yourself a liberal, however you are no where near such.

[Fringe111]

Keep believing it. You should now that 283 bills that Obama has called for is sitting in the desks of the Senate. They won't go forward with them. The republicans are trying to kill his presidency.

[SickBoyZap5]

And supposed progessives like "Bobbiethejean" are making sure that it's killed as fast as possible.

[DNRvideos]

insurance companies= the enemy

[bryarcole4]

although i support the current health reform bill.. this is a much quicker and painless fix to the problem

[BayAreaLen]

That's one of the most real things I've heard come from congressman. I almost fear for Grayson. The zionist masters must want him silenced immediately, seeing as how his bill is only 4 pages long and actually helps people rather than just reigning in control over them.

[ryno99]

A jew fighting other jews. gotta love grayson

[whispersinmorn]

I did a search of nytimes and washington post and the Hill about 2 hours ago and did not see it. strange.

[RawFoodKevin]

Don't expect to see it on the front page. Just ask Kucinich about his experiences with being censored by the MSM when running for president.

Even when he read his 30 Articles of Impeachment against Bush, which took him all day, there was little press coverage, except mostly ad hominem slurs.

Thomas (dot) LOC (dot) Gov says:

'The text of H.R.4789 has not yet been received from GPO'

Try there in a couple days if you want to read the four page bill. It says so little, but does so much!

[allgoo19]

It's the private insurance company, can't do anything right.