i had already known much of what dr.kohls says in this video,but i recently started taking a low dose of lexapro after taking no drugs for the past 6 years.It is not agreeing with me,even at a low dose,so i think i`m done with SSRIs once again,especially after hearing this info again
i do feel better now than i did.ive stepped down to one 5th of a tablet but still get side effects,stiff neck,muscle twitches,burning skin etc.my girlfriend is thai and was addicted to heroin,she got of it cold turkey in 2 weeks,you decide which is the worse drug and harder to get off!
its not the illegal ones the money making companies like eli lilly who make prozac want you addicted,they made 88 billion in profit for 2010,
i tried getting off prozac,cold turkey 4 years ago.from 40mg a day to nothing straight off.i had a pain in my back that felt like a hot knife being pushed in,constantly,i had migraines,burning skin,shaking,shivers,severe muscle stiffness,cramps,vomiting,swollen stomach,acid reflux,nightmares,visual problems,complete detatchment from reality,thoughts of stabbing people of myself,involuntary muscle spasms,all this has continued till now,even though ive been on it again.this drug has ruined my life
There may very well be merit in what he's saying, SSRI's have been proven to increase neuron density in the hippocampus, so brain changes do take place. However, its simply disingenuous to equate a person treating depression with a 6 month dose of Citalopram with a heroin addict. The withdraw is nowhere near the same. Relying on these lazy analogies costs him his credibility.
@insomniajo Comparing SSRI's to heroin in terms of the suffering caused is ridiculous. There will always be individual horror stories due to the ubiquitous nature of ssri's. Going cold turkey, I agree is horrendous it depends on how competent and caring your doctor is i suppose, you definitely need professional support if you find yourself in this situation. Short term benzos and or beta blockers can help as well as withdrawing very slowly over a period of months.
@llusty78 ..while the PHYSICAL withdrawal is much more severe..it's the mental withdrawal that is much longer than any systoms from herion withdrawal. I's rather go through the narcotic WD any old day.
SSRIs are highly safe vs. previous forms of depression medications (MAOI, etc.). While there are situations where someone may be allergic or have a severe reaction. This is common in any medicine. While a pill may be a silver bullet and work great for someone else. It may not for you, you need to experiment with your psychiatrist/psychologist and find the appropriate medication which suites your biology.
Don't give up, you have to keep looking and trying.
@pikapikarya Then why do some people kill themselves via the use of these pills? Is it just a bad chemical reaction or the underlying toxins within the pill that they say are safe. I dont think the risk is worth it. There are always alternatives. Cocaine was once considered safe. And that was soon proven to be false. I think all SSRI's are worthless "made" legal sugar coated baby cocaine that still messes you up.
This guy doesn't understand that physical dependence is not the same thing as addiction. I've gone on and off AD's dozens of times and never craved more Zoloft or Paxil. Yes, I've had some physical effects from discontinuing the drug too fast. But the psychological component of addiction was absent. Seriously, how many people are trying to snort or inject SSRI's in an attempt to get high? Physical withdrawal symptoms are not the same thing as addiction, which requires psychological addiction
@Bigshotism how long have you been taking antidepressants for? they dont cause any permanent damage to the brain do they? they wouldnt be approved if they did and im sick of everything saying these drugs are dangerous. what are your thoughts/
@dannyboidj1 They are approved only for profiting purposes. I would hate to think that its all a conspiracy but it makes sense as to how the process is done. And its all for money. Big money in SSRI's They buy off the very people who approve the drugs and they dont really care if people know it or not. People will buy the drug from pure sell out science. Oh, and throwing a few fibs in there helps too. ( these drugs are safe) <---- Thats one of em.
@prpeeps yea if i would have known what i knew before i would have never taken them, but i needed something for my OCD at 13 it was really bad. It got me through highschool then it stopped working so now at 21 years old i am weening off. Do you believe that these drugs can cause brain damage in a cognitive and emotional sense? and if so is there hope for recovery through orthomolecular healing? Thanks
@dannyboidj im sure there were other forms of fixing extreme OCD but they just didnt make it known to you. Some sort of routine process that requires you to do alternate thinking when your OCD acts up. It could potentialy cause damage to your brain in the sense of your personality not being the same without the drugs. Like anyone else addicted to some narcotic, they are normal or high when they have the drug but without it they are an emotional wreck. It just doesnt look as extreme with ssri's
@prpeeps i know i was never given any knowledge about orthomolecular healing, however this was in 2003 and i dont think there was as much research as there is not regarding natural alternatives so again it could have been risky because even that could be dangerous if studies arnt confirmed which i believe they are now. so its not the fact that they cause brain damage it might change your personality in terms of becoming addicted if you dont have them? This is just your opinion right? Thanks
I Am Against Antidepressants that have the side effect of SSRIs such as "Citalopram" I had so much problems.... Took me over 8 months to get off the side effects...
Prozac stopped working for me after 11 yrs. Now celexa I've used for 8 yrs. So far so good. Ps- i don't want to get off. I have neurological issues that need treatment. Diabetes sufferers need insulin.
Pps- i don't despite any addicts. I love all humanity. We all have to walk in anothers shoes to get it.
Ppps the dangers of ritalin are probably as bad as cocaine, u said. The dangers of the add kid winding up in jail for inability to control rage, compulsion,etc. is pretty frickin high. Not prob
@FantastyckplastycK Thanks! Unfortunately we all have different brain chemistries & physiologies so what's good for some mayn't be good for another. I appreciate ur capacity for empathy :-) :-)
My depression is so obvious it was good news. Never had it until, at age 42 or so, my periods came back after decades of absence. After ovulation, I would go down a spiral of hell until cycle day 1, when I felt normal. The next few months it was more or less the same, except it was getting more difficult to recover from severe depression after several cycles and enjoy the "good week" before ovulation was triggered the spiral again. I hope that menopause will stop this.
@anebturia ..my wife went through this...she made a huge change in her diet and took siupplements..she was cured. Have a great Christmas and a healthy New Year.
@ThePastorGregory I spent my savings going to a naturopath who gave me a 5-HTP mixture with lots of vitamins, and still I ended with heart problems. Why? Because 5-HTP that is not mixed with a peripheral decarboxylase inhibitor leads to too much serotonin in the blood.
After all the natural remedies, and realizing that a big study confirmed my suspicions about PMDD, I chose the synthetics. I only regretted doing third later than sooner.
@ThePastorGregory No there isn't a big price paid. The depression I had destroyed my memory, was a torment (and indescribable so), severely weakened me, was accompanied by suicidal thoughts, and destroyed my health. Depression causes a marked increase in the inflammatory state, which ups the risk of heart disease by 200%. If you have ever experienced it, you would not have judged me.
@ThePastorGregory My doctor is fine. I put all the info together on PMDD and asked her for Zoloft and 300 mg Lithium to keep vitamin D levels in the blood higher as depression would show up still during the winter. She prescribed it all, knowing that I knew what I was talking about. I'm also a retied mental health therapist and know there's a place for medications, and that endogenous depression is not all in your head. For females, estrogen plays the lead role indirectly.
@anebturia ...Depression is real and debilitating condition. I know BUT SSRI's have no place in treating the same. The side effects and long term damage are no brainers. It's not all the doctors fault, they are conditioned as well as we....maybe better..we ,as a society, want that magic bullet. I'd love to sell the things. I'd be wealthy............:)
@anebturia so you told your doc what drugs you need and he gave them to you. What a competent doctor. And you are a pill popper who needs to get off the legal dope and start doing some introspection. I dont know your specific case but i bet your depression is circumstantial and now your brain is rewired.
@anebturia no one denies that depression can be clinical but the point is that in this day and time anti depressants are over prescribed for people who have circumstantial blues, which is normal and human. Looks like you needed it and no one is denying you that.
@WendyKroy77 ok well can you tell me if there is a chance for recovery if there is even damage, how do u know if damage has been done is there any particular test, i was not given high doses i was on celexa for ocd which i needed, not until 2007-2009 i was on 100mg of cholomapharime 60mg of celexa and now i am back to 20mg celexa gradually weening off so i was never a long term drug user where damage could be done
@anebturia.... WHO did the study? please inform? I'll be taking my supplements while I wait. I can take all my vits and minerals and enjoy the effects WITHOUT being toxic or ADDICTED.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):96-102. Epub 2007 Oct 23.
You can read the copy for free from the web site. There's feeling down, there's being in a funk, and there's real endogenous depression. You've just never experienced what I have.
@anebturia ...how do you know what I have experienced? I know..you think you're unique. The company you are using for reference is tainted by the flawed science of Big Pharma. SSRI's are so profitable... they can't resist.
I am on citalopram (ssri) there not addictive, because there is no 'high', we are not dealing with opiate receptors. the idea is to stop the re uptake or serotonin. I have been on citalopram for over five years and have not had to have my dose up-ed, as he is saying. my be they should put him on it, as all his information comes from books and not actual experience
@sunracer1971 that is because citalopram doesnt have higher benefits at doses of 40 mg per day. Your dr. wont increase your citalopram in that case but instead prescribe you another anti depressant the moment you complain that you are "down". Why dont you try it out? And no this dr. is not wrong. The mechanism of SSRIs remains the same, regardless of efficacy. You are playing around with dangerous components especially because the community admits they dont really know what causes depression
Personally I would be very worried about taking mind altering and brain biology changing drugs as a matter of medical prescription on a regular basis, everyday of my life. That is scary. It is like causing bran damage to yourself. Life is tough, it has ups and down and abysses for everyone - this is part of being human. The way you deal with your own nature, with the reality of things, is to work on them on your ow or with the help of a therapist. It is not done by pumping drugs in your brain.
@WendyKroy77 how the hell do you know if these drugs cause depression like your scaring the shit out of everyone including me, they do help some people. but i am interested in hearing your explanation why do u think so? have you ever taken them? if they do cause brain damage can it be fixed? where are u getting your info from?
@dannyboidj1 I feel how I Used to feel yrs.ago - not a happy zombie but regular, functional. Bit of weight gain(10lbs) but I'm tall:-) I can still cry but not crippled by it. It makes Ts less difficult, & reduces my social awkwardness w/ Aspergers. Aversion's not dangerous. U list & rate ur 'rituals'&work on 'exposing' yourself to them (least 2 most compelling), & with baby steps u can re'map' ur brain 2feel almost no discomfort from skipping rituals.
YOUR "GOD" THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES MAKE YOUR FAVORITE PILL CANDY ! ! !
YOU STUPID FUCKER WANTING TO BE ON THESE PILLS ARE GOING TO BECOME SLAVES TO THE CORPORATE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ! !
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU FUCKERS, ALL YOU JACKASSES WANT TO BE ON PILLS AND NOW YOU CAN'T GET OFF OF THOSE PILLS AND IF YOU TRY YOUR GOING TO SUFFER BIG TIME FOR IT ! ! !
I wish I could totally agree- I do regarding big pharmacy and longterm impact, but if u try EVERYTHING and life is garbage, u have no choice. I can't even get out of bed cos of sadness. Its alter the brain or live in my room forever. I pick altering...
@ammyanne well, are you feeling better now on drugs? have you ever looked at the root cause for your unhappiness? Not everyone is unhappy because it is a pathology. Often people are unhappy because of some issue in their life that is unresolved or causes stress. have you identified that issue? Do you go to therapy? has your taking of antidepressants made you capable of dealing with the issues in your life that bring you down in the first place? How exactly are these drugs helping?
Hi.-yes to unresolved &I.d.'d. Prob.nature&nurture 2gether. I can feign 'normal'to blend but I've mild Aspergers&tourettes. depression is very comorbid, & aspergers kids are notorious bully victims, throw in ptsd from bullying. Did therapy til too expensive, pot vapouriser =seriously helps most, but scared to get in trouble. Citalopram takes me from nightmares, flashbacks&days of tears,immovable sadness, 2existing withpeople,fam,pets,boyfriend, the arts.works 4me for yrs.
@WendyKroy77 and I do agree with this dude 90% but everyone is diff. His methods may be very correct for most, but brains have actual physiological diffs within parameters of various neurological issues(anxieties = large amygdala or something &autism=smaller hemisphere connector ) so his methods,whilst valid, may not help all. Although id love it if they did...
@ammyanne The cause for depression is unknown. They THINK it is serotonin but they dont really know. They even admit it in their ads for crissakes. The way antidepressant drugs on tested on mice is to stress the brain and then give them SSRIs. But that treats only the stress, not depression. A lot of people have circumstantial depression but Drs just give out these pills like tic tac. IF you wanna be the pharm industries guinea pig that is your choice. They damage ur brain to make money.
I notice when people say the word "cocain" they over prononounce the "o" or the "ai". I wonder if its because its a powerfull feeling you get from the drug and so you tend to over emphesize the word. Weird?
Despite my bad experiences with SSRIs the attitudes of some of these commentors is exactly was led to my being messed up when I took the meds in the first place. Family and friends treated me like crap, bullied and teased me for being on meds instead of caring to give alternative solutions to my ongoing depression. If more people showed a little more care and a little less lecturing and labeling, maybe some of us would've never needed to turn to SSRIs to begin with.
@mupty but you turned to SSRIs becasue you were depressed already. In other words, you were on meds already and THEN you were bullied. It was not like you were fine, then were bullied for taking antidepressants and then took antidepressants. That doesnt even make sense. You got the cause and effect here all wrong.
@WendyKroy77 No. I was already being treated like crap for having depression. No one was willing to take my condition seriously. When I took SSRIs that's when their treatment of me got worse.
take a look at the link he provides in the description, its for natural health supplements. So of course hes going to be biased against pharmaceuticals.
@planegenius ..yep...you oughta take that healthy skepticism and apply to big drug companies. It is not being biased anymore. Only those in deep denial remain but they will not be 'remaining' for long.
I just have to say to everyone that most of what he is saying is complete and total bullshit. Depression is a natural feeling that everyone experiences. We all have normal highs and lows. This is called situational depression. But when deep, long lasting depression occurs for no reason, it is called clinical depression and it can and should be treated. I speak as someone who's been taking medication for my depression for six years! I can say that the medicine saved my life.
@x22stepx yea but there has to be something wrong if your happy 24/7, because that isn't normal. What you say is true but there also is natural ways of fighting depression that is frequently overlooked, and we often want the quick and easy fix to our problems.
@x22stepx but the point is that in this day and age these meds are over prescribed mainly because there is a big push by pharmaceutical companies, as he explained in the beginning, to give these drugs out. When a company spends millions on R&D for a drug they need to make up for it which means selling. I dont think he is saying we should not ever give antidepressants I think he is saying that the real dangers of these drugs, and they ARE dangerous, are not really disclosed to people.
Somehow our perception of ourselves has changed, very cleverly. Also note the curious way that these drugs NEVER heal anybody.. you just have to keep taking them for the rest of your life. The mind you were born with is deemed never good enough to function on it's own.. you must be drugged forever more.. (forever more PAYING for your drugs)
They dont heal, they keep you in limbo of functioning fine, so long as you dont stop taking them :)
Also everybody.. look at all the people on SSRI's and other legal psychotropic drugs. How many people do you know who are on them. Is everybody really sick? Are we all "not normal?" Is there something wrong with almost all of us? Do we all need drugs to maintain our normality? Are we not normal without drugs?
(lets bare in mind that drugs have to keep getting paid for every month :) )
Ha... all the drug reps posting in these comments has me alarmed and amazed. These drugs are addictive. This man is speaking the absolute utter truth. Obviously if he has compassion for a heroin addict he has compassion for someone suffering major depression. All common sense here.
@SaschaSidney from past experience i had horrible social anxiety and remember just wanting to work out, and after 3!!! DAYS!! it went away. I wasn't shy or anything, its like i had the key to my life right in my pocket. It was just a matter of me taking control of my life and not letting it waste away. But now lol... im kind of in a hole again.. haha
I wonder if the intracellular concentration of serotonin is reduced by the inhibition of the serotonin transporter the metabolism does the cell metabolise more tryptophan to compensate and retain homeostatis?
Yea I started on Paxil.Then Celexia,Then Zoloft . They all feel the same withdraws.. Like you are loosing your mind and the reality of killing someone else or yourself goes up, or being thrown in a physch ward (cold turkey withdraws) to avoid any of that you have to taper down super slow. I am thinking my brain is altered for life but I will work with how I feel and deal with it accordingly in a healthy way. But I think most people who are not on SSRI's underestimate the severity of withdraw
yes but like in my case. I had no choice. My parents put me on them at 13. As a grown adult I dont know how anyone in their right mind would choose these. I am having to undo what my parents did to me and its effected the rest of my life.
@CelestialViolette hey man i am in the same boat as you, i was put on celexa for ocd 10mg for and it really helped me through highschool until 2007 when i was 17 it stopped working, so i was put on cholomapharine 50mg..so i was taking at that time 60mg celexa and 50cholomapharine... 2008 the cholomipharine was bumped up to 100mg. i was feeling clueless at times and almost like a zombie thankfully in 2009 i weened off to 50mg cholomapharine
@dannyboidj1 now i am taking only 20mg of celexa...i feel 10 times better but i still keep asking myself day after day if the damage is done how the fuck do you know? no one has a straight answer
@dannyboidj1 so SAY your receptors were fucked forever...which they are NOT...I am giving you personal testimony here and I know many other people that have had the same experience. Forget the science because it's FLAWED science.... anyway even if the receptors were fucked...would you want to stay on them? It's like any other addiction it's tough to quit. It's tough to make ANY profound life change. You have to make that decision, that choice. Glad I did...really glad.
@dannyboidj1 i feel the same way...deciding whether or not to get back on my meds now after being pressured by my psychologist...not sure what i should do
@NiangoChan well it depends how they make you feel, for me i absolutely needed my 10mg of celexa my ocd was crazy i had to arrange everything in the same order i needed medication and i doubt natural remedies would have helped, now i am seeing a naturopath who is a professor and substitutes natural treament plans with ssri's. it all depends on how the meds make you feel. remember the pharma industry is a 300 billion dollar industry they are out to make money
@NiangoChan wait so your saying that paxil took away "who you were before"
heres what you can do, play a sport, start working out, hit the gloden gloves, find a girl friend, travel around the world....i guarantee you that your depression will diminish after you do all these things. you are in a slump right now and what i mentioned above is the perfect way to get out of a slump.
@dannyboidj1 I understand and agree-except if u can afford it, or are curious, aversion response therapy has been used 4 ocd with quite a lot of success for at least ten years. Mines 95% gone from it. Fyi. But I'm on Citalopram for other stuff. U should ck.it out. It actually creates new pathways in ur brain over time, so its quite difficult to have an ocd relapse too.
They will try to convince you that this drug is "safe"--that it cause no damage, but this is a lie. The very essence of the drug is HIGHLY TOXIC. Sodium Fluoride was studied extensively in 1945 as it was the MAIN INGREDIENT IN THE ATOMIC BOMB. What they found is that Sodium Fluoride was far more toxic to the central nervous system even in minute doses--it's only a matter of time before permenant and IRREVERSIBLE BRAIN DAMAGE OCCURS.
I have been on SSRIs for 15 years. in the past 3 years i have slowly shaved pills from 100 to 50 mg. but it took 3 years to make that drop with no withdraws. I do notice I am more intense and slowly more of my old personality back but, instead of being drugged, I am embracing it and learning to chanel and grow with who I am. My personality is not a disorder, its a gift in disguise!
@CelestialViolette ..wel they have to have a disorder in order to start poisoning you with these toxic,evil drugs. Your personality IS a gift. Embrace the real you. ...;)
factoid...Although it is widely believed that a serotonin deficiency plays a role in depression, there is no way to measure its levels in the living brain and (2)
Researchers don't know whether the dip in serotonin causes the depression, or the depression causes serotonin levels to drop.(3). Although serotonin is manufactured in the brain, where it performs its primary functions, some 90% of our serotonin supply is found in the digestive tract
I am talking from personal experience. My SSRI medication has worked, has helped and has had very minimal side effects.
I can't really ask for anything else! I have no interest in anyone else's opinion on these drugs because they're working for me and, if asked, i would definitely recommend trying them if you're were at the bottom like i was!
@VILLAGER737 ..."I have no interest in anyone else's opinion" ...if that was so then why bother posting? Of course you would say that...you're drugged. I do not want to die drugged. You are stronger than you've been lead to believe. Usage of SSRI NEVER ends well.
Do people think that anxiety and depression are new? It's so simple...take a pill and your problems will be alleviated. Nonsense! Our culture is so fragmented that we are will willing to be poisoned in order to be deemed sane. Now, if I get hit by a car I want to see an MD standing there but I don't want her/him to help me in my journey through life with these horrible drugs. At that point anything is better than so called western medicine.
herbs and supplemnts are highly effective and non toxic. No one knows how SSRIs work. Ask your withdoctor(MD/GP) how they work.If she/he says that they undertsand the mechanisms behind SSRIs they're lying. Just like the big drug companies.
,,,may not be athorised but at the very least ..heavily influenced. Why are we as a culture afraid to speak out against the use of these toxic drugs? If I pay for a service I expect to get something postive for that service. If I pay for a service and it hurts me I should have legal recourse. Lots of torts have happened and are happening right now against the manufacters of bad drugs. We need to take it a step further and include the person who prescribed them. No immunity for DR.s
@alexperryst 100% right but as a parent I'm terrified to get into trouble. They're working on legalising it everywhere as is right. Until then, fear of the 'man' &my vindictive ex. Keeps my usage to a bare minimum...
Sertraline (ZOLOFT) has been absolutely brilliant for me. I suffered really badly from depression and particularly anxiety with some HORRIFIC consequences and symptoms!
My life/attitude has been completely improved and i don't believe any side effects of Sertraline can be worse than the never ending symptoms of anxiety which were absolutely awful!
I think this guy may have another agenda, perhaps selling a 'natural' alternative.......who knows?
@VILLAGER737 ..the effect long term is toxic and with serious side effects. The same thing can be achieved through natural means. Maybe your a drug rep....who knows?
@VILLAGER737 I think you are right.....i completely agree.These medicines have enabled millions of people around the world to enjoy their daily work and lead a healthy life. Why go for herbal medicines which have efficacy near that to a placebo in clinical trials?
@ThePastorGregory ah people can recover from these drugs, you just need a good naturopath who specializes in weening off antidepressants. I agree with you to a certain extend....but some people need these drugs to function when nutrition doesnt work plain and simple. the "zombie" like people you are talking about are on heavy doses and have been for most of their lives. as for me the most i ever took was 100mg cholomapharmine 60 celexa 2007-2009 but now im only at 20mg celexa
@dannyboidj1 ..you know I just disagree that "some People need" .What people NEED to do is nourish themselves first and foremost. We are the mental summation of what we introduce into our systems. Mass doping is unnecessary but it is profitable. What if all psychological maladys where the result of impropper nutrition? What if the same were a result of food allergies?
@ThePastorGregory Yep. This crap wasn't out way back when, and people got along just fine. People go to Dr. for EVERYTHING now. Man, most people that take these don't need it, and the ones that do don't. Seems everyone now days has some problem that they HAVE to have a pill for.. It's crap, and MOST need to toughen up. It's life. I mean, damn. "I have a problem, I need a pill" What a crock..This is why people that need meds, can't get them. EVERYONE has problems now that needs pills. BULL...
@dannyboidj1 ..hey..congrats you are almost off of them!...:) Taper to ten and then 5 and quit. Boost serotonin with Tryptophan(5HTP) Naturally....:) Join the drug free people who have become the minority AND educate yourself while breaking your conditioning. Remember, THEY cannot measure serotonin in the living brain.
@ThePastorGregory i completely agree i think nutrition is the way to go...have you ever taken any of these drugs? i just hope taking that high dose in my teenage years wont have an adverse effect. what do you think? and is it possible to measure serotonin receptors in the brain? because apparently ssri's cause down regulation of them.
@dannyboidj1 I know for sure...listen...mine did!...forget the "what" if stuff. Anxiety and depression are different sides of the same coin. Do you get out for a walk? No one said it was easy, your'e in a fight BUT..just sooo worth it.....:) I mean your close now anyway. Your brain needs the propper nutrients to heal.
This is amazing information and very well explained. This stuff is dangerous!!! I am so glad I found this after reading about the side effects of zoloft and especially zoloft birth defects on commonzoloftsideeffects . info . Well worth checking out. Thanks Dr Kohls.
@ThePastorGregory Not if they were unhappy with the person they were before. Believe it or not, some people (myself included) want to change their personality.
@ThePastorGregory You've clearly never dealt with clinical depression. It's not just "feeling blue"; it's a downward spiral that pulls you in deeper, obscuring your view, your sense of identity, and your motivation. If it were so easy to "change your attitude," I'd have succeeded a long time ago.
@squizz222 ...i spent 15 years in a bed suffering from depression. Now I run 3 miles min. every day. No profession help. Was it easy...no but I did it. You have to be tough and drug free, I take supplements. They cured me.
@ThePastorGregory But once you're in that kind of mindstate, it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out on your own. I tried for years, but even therapy didn't work until I started taking an SSRI. It's not an "evil drug," it's a saving grace. That being said, it's not a cure by itself, and not everybody with depression needs it. But for some people, it's a good place to start.
@squizz222 ,,,no it's a horrible place to start.We will look at this period in our evolution as the dark days.Mass doping! You're tougher than you think. Stop listening to these idiot,irresponsible medical doctors.
@ThePastorGregory I'm speaking from personal experience. I've tried exercise. I've tried counseling on its own. It wasn't enough. You say nobody needs drugs to overcome depression because YOU didn't need drugs to overcome yours. You're overgeneralizing and it doesn't work, because everybody's depression and personality are different. Not everybody is as tough as you.
@squizz222 I do agree - lol..especially as far as exercising goes. i workout 2 hours a day..and I workout pretty hard. Every therapist I have been too are baffled that my anxiety is still as high as it is because I exercise a lot. "do you get regular exercise" ffs..yes...Clearly, exercise alone amongst other "natural" things sometimes are just not enough for those who have severe depression and anxiety.
Omg im so scared right now i just turned 18 and this is my first week on it... and im on Citalopram (ssri) and now im seeing all of this... god damn you depression\anxiety!!
I'm telling you it did. Just because it didnt work for someone with a different chemical make up, doesn't mean it didn't save me. I'm alive today, and it's because paxil saved me from killing myself!
@BunnysiEat Throw them out. Pretend to be taking them, just stash them away or dissolve them with water. That's how I get rid of my zoloft. Leave it in water for a few minutes, and it will start to dissolve. Then, just throw that solution out the toilet, and clean/throw away the container you dissolved the pills in. VISIT YOUR DOCTOR and tell them you use the stuff, so they'll leave you alone. Since you're only on week one, whatever you took won't damage you too much.
@maxandlogan22 The bottom line is, if you feel worse without it, this doctor sounds like he'd rather you feel worse.. doesn't make sense! It's great that it works for you. What works for some, doesn't work for others, etc..
Sorry , Dr Gary , SSRI's are not addictive or prone to tolerance............they have s/e ......go check your undergraduade textbooks , leave alone postgraduate ones!!!!
Sorry , Dr Gary , SSRI's are not addictive or prone to tolerance............they have s/e ......go check your undergraduade textbooks , leave alone postgraduate ones!!!!
i had already known much of what dr.kohls says in this video,but i recently started taking a low dose of lexapro after taking no drugs for the past 6 years.It is not agreeing with me,even at a low dose,so i think i`m done with SSRIs once again,especially after hearing this info again
IwontConform 13 hours ago
i do feel better now than i did.ive stepped down to one 5th of a tablet but still get side effects,stiff neck,muscle twitches,burning skin etc.my girlfriend is thai and was addicted to heroin,she got of it cold turkey in 2 weeks,you decide which is the worse drug and harder to get off!
its not the illegal ones the money making companies like eli lilly who make prozac want you addicted,they made 88 billion in profit for 2010,
they are pure legal evil .
money for peoples suffering.
paulopezz 6 days ago
i tried getting off prozac,cold turkey 4 years ago.from 40mg a day to nothing straight off.i had a pain in my back that felt like a hot knife being pushed in,constantly,i had migraines,burning skin,shaking,shivers,severe muscle stiffness,cramps,vomiting,swollen stomach,acid reflux,nightmares,visual problems,complete detatchment from reality,thoughts of stabbing people of myself,involuntary muscle spasms,all this has continued till now,even though ive been on it again.this drug has ruined my life
paulopezz 6 days ago
US National Library of MedicineNational Institutes of Health ...funded the neuron density study...who funds them? Big Pharma.
theonlysaltspring 1 week ago
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there is NO place for antidepressants simply becuase we don't know how they work. It's a big Pharma lie similar to all the other big Pharma lies.
theonlysaltspring 1 week ago
There may very well be merit in what he's saying, SSRI's have been proven to increase neuron density in the hippocampus, so brain changes do take place. However, its simply disingenuous to equate a person treating depression with a 6 month dose of Citalopram with a heroin addict. The withdraw is nowhere near the same. Relying on these lazy analogies costs him his credibility.
llusty78 1 week ago
@llusty78 You're wrong. The withdrawal from SSRIs can be devastating enough to land one in a mental hospital with severe anxiety attacks.
insomniajo 1 week ago
@insomniajo Comparing SSRI's to heroin in terms of the suffering caused is ridiculous. There will always be individual horror stories due to the ubiquitous nature of ssri's. Going cold turkey, I agree is horrendous it depends on how competent and caring your doctor is i suppose, you definitely need professional support if you find yourself in this situation. Short term benzos and or beta blockers can help as well as withdrawing very slowly over a period of months.
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theonlysaltspring 1 week ago
@llusty78 ..while the PHYSICAL withdrawal is much more severe..it's the mental withdrawal that is much longer than any systoms from herion withdrawal. I's rather go through the narcotic WD any old day.
theonlysaltspring 1 week ago
@llusty78 so do you believe that these drugs are dangerous?
dannyboidj1 1 week ago
SSRIs are highly safe vs. previous forms of depression medications (MAOI, etc.). While there are situations where someone may be allergic or have a severe reaction. This is common in any medicine. While a pill may be a silver bullet and work great for someone else. It may not for you, you need to experiment with your psychiatrist/psychologist and find the appropriate medication which suites your biology.
Don't give up, you have to keep looking and trying.
pikapikarya 2 weeks ago
@pikapikarya Then why do some people kill themselves via the use of these pills? Is it just a bad chemical reaction or the underlying toxins within the pill that they say are safe. I dont think the risk is worth it. There are always alternatives. Cocaine was once considered safe. And that was soon proven to be false. I think all SSRI's are worthless "made" legal sugar coated baby cocaine that still messes you up.
prpeeps 2 weeks ago
This guy doesn't understand that physical dependence is not the same thing as addiction. I've gone on and off AD's dozens of times and never craved more Zoloft or Paxil. Yes, I've had some physical effects from discontinuing the drug too fast. But the psychological component of addiction was absent. Seriously, how many people are trying to snort or inject SSRI's in an attempt to get high? Physical withdrawal symptoms are not the same thing as addiction, which requires psychological addiction
Bigshotism 2 weeks ago
@Bigshotism how long have you been taking antidepressants for? they dont cause any permanent damage to the brain do they? they wouldnt be approved if they did and im sick of everything saying these drugs are dangerous. what are your thoughts/
dannyboidj1 2 weeks ago
@dannyboidj1 They are approved only for profiting purposes. I would hate to think that its all a conspiracy but it makes sense as to how the process is done. And its all for money. Big money in SSRI's They buy off the very people who approve the drugs and they dont really care if people know it or not. People will buy the drug from pure sell out science. Oh, and throwing a few fibs in there helps too. ( these drugs are safe) <---- Thats one of em.
prpeeps 2 weeks ago
@prpeeps yea if i would have known what i knew before i would have never taken them, but i needed something for my OCD at 13 it was really bad. It got me through highschool then it stopped working so now at 21 years old i am weening off. Do you believe that these drugs can cause brain damage in a cognitive and emotional sense? and if so is there hope for recovery through orthomolecular healing? Thanks
dannyboidj1 2 weeks ago
@dannyboidj im sure there were other forms of fixing extreme OCD but they just didnt make it known to you. Some sort of routine process that requires you to do alternate thinking when your OCD acts up. It could potentialy cause damage to your brain in the sense of your personality not being the same without the drugs. Like anyone else addicted to some narcotic, they are normal or high when they have the drug but without it they are an emotional wreck. It just doesnt look as extreme with ssri's
prpeeps 2 weeks ago
@prpeeps i know i was never given any knowledge about orthomolecular healing, however this was in 2003 and i dont think there was as much research as there is not regarding natural alternatives so again it could have been risky because even that could be dangerous if studies arnt confirmed which i believe they are now. so its not the fact that they cause brain damage it might change your personality in terms of becoming addicted if you dont have them? This is just your opinion right? Thanks
dannyboidj1 1 week ago
@dannyboidj1 I have taken supplements in high doeses for 20 years. They are safe. They are highly effective,
theonlysaltspring 1 week ago
I Am Against Antidepressants that have the side effect of SSRIs such as "Citalopram" I had so much problems.... Took me over 8 months to get off the side effects...
PrinzessinDelirium 2 weeks ago
@PrinzessinDelirium how long have you been taking antidepressant drugs for? did you feel that your brain has recovered from them completely? thanks
dannyboidj1 1 week ago
Yes! My brain had completely recovered!
PrinzessinDelirium 1 day ago
Addictive? This doctor's a joke.
ArbeiterUndSoldat 3 weeks ago
@ArbeiterUndSoldat ...ssri s are addictive. Don't believe me? Try quitting them.....:)
theonlysaltspring 3 weeks ago
@theonlysaltspring I have. Do some research, idiot.
ArbeiterUndSoldat 3 weeks ago
@ArbeiterUndSoldat ..then you know...they are addictive.
ThePastorGregory 3 weeks ago
gotta love doc . Kohl lol
xxbabyawesomexx 3 weeks ago
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dannyboidj1 1 month ago
Prozac stopped working for me after 11 yrs. Now celexa I've used for 8 yrs. So far so good. Ps- i don't want to get off. I have neurological issues that need treatment. Diabetes sufferers need insulin.
Pps- i don't despite any addicts. I love all humanity. We all have to walk in anothers shoes to get it.
Ppps the dangers of ritalin are probably as bad as cocaine, u said. The dangers of the add kid winding up in jail for inability to control rage, compulsion,etc. is pretty frickin high. Not prob
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne very thoughtful.. id rather live my life fully and healthy for several years than die 'healthy' without never actually having lived!
FantastyckplastycK 1 month ago
@FantastyckplastycK Thanks! Unfortunately we all have different brain chemistries & physiologies so what's good for some mayn't be good for another. I appreciate ur capacity for empathy :-) :-)
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne... Diabetes can be cured naturally.
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ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
My depression is so obvious it was good news. Never had it until, at age 42 or so, my periods came back after decades of absence. After ovulation, I would go down a spiral of hell until cycle day 1, when I felt normal. The next few months it was more or less the same, except it was getting more difficult to recover from severe depression after several cycles and enjoy the "good week" before ovulation was triggered the spiral again. I hope that menopause will stop this.
anebturia 1 month ago
@anebturia ..my wife went through this...she made a huge change in her diet and took siupplements..she was cured. Have a great Christmas and a healthy New Year.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory I spent my savings going to a naturopath who gave me a 5-HTP mixture with lots of vitamins, and still I ended with heart problems. Why? Because 5-HTP that is not mixed with a peripheral decarboxylase inhibitor leads to too much serotonin in the blood.
After all the natural remedies, and realizing that a big study confirmed my suspicions about PMDD, I chose the synthetics. I only regretted doing third later than sooner.
anebturia 1 month ago
@anebturia ..big price to be paid for using "synthetics"...your regrets are premature. Every addict defends their addiction.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory No there isn't a big price paid. The depression I had destroyed my memory, was a torment (and indescribable so), severely weakened me, was accompanied by suicidal thoughts, and destroyed my health. Depression causes a marked increase in the inflammatory state, which ups the risk of heart disease by 200%. If you have ever experienced it, you would not have judged me.
anebturia 1 month ago
@anebturia ,,i don't jude anyone...do u feel judged? I spent 17 years in bed.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@anebturia ,,if you want to live longer, if you want to have a happy life... ..Fire your DR.....:)
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory My doctor is fine. I put all the info together on PMDD and asked her for Zoloft and 300 mg Lithium to keep vitamin D levels in the blood higher as depression would show up still during the winter. She prescribed it all, knowing that I knew what I was talking about. I'm also a retied mental health therapist and know there's a place for medications, and that endogenous depression is not all in your head. For females, estrogen plays the lead role indirectly.
anebturia 1 month ago
@anebturia ...Depression is real and debilitating condition. I know BUT SSRI's have no place in treating the same. The side effects and long term damage are no brainers. It's not all the doctors fault, they are conditioned as well as we....maybe better..we ,as a society, want that magic bullet. I'd love to sell the things. I'd be wealthy............:)
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago 2
@anebturia so you told your doc what drugs you need and he gave them to you. What a competent doctor. And you are a pill popper who needs to get off the legal dope and start doing some introspection. I dont know your specific case but i bet your depression is circumstantial and now your brain is rewired.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
@anebturia no one denies that depression can be clinical but the point is that in this day and time anti depressants are over prescribed for people who have circumstantial blues, which is normal and human. Looks like you needed it and no one is denying you that.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
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@WendyKroy77 ok well can you tell me if there is a chance for recovery if there is even damage, how do u know if damage has been done is there any particular test, i was not given high doses i was on celexa for ocd which i needed, not until 2007-2009 i was on 100mg of cholomapharime 60mg of celexa and now i am back to 20mg celexa gradually weening off so i was never a long term drug user where damage could be done
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@anebturia.... WHO did the study? please inform? I'll be taking my supplements while I wait. I can take all my vits and minerals and enjoy the effects WITHOUT being toxic or ADDICTED.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):96-102. Epub 2007 Oct 23.
You can read the copy for free from the web site. There's feeling down, there's being in a funk, and there's real endogenous depression. You've just never experienced what I have.
anebturia 1 month ago
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ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory i don't eat a western diet. Anything else you wish to assume?
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne ..sure I can assume you won't get well BUT there's hope...:)
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@ammyanne... hang in there. We have to take responsiblity for our own health. Challenging belief systems...no one likes that...:)
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
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@anebturia ...how do you know what I have experienced? I know..you think you're unique. The company you are using for reference is tainted by the flawed science of Big Pharma. SSRI's are so profitable... they can't resist.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
I am on citalopram (ssri) there not addictive, because there is no 'high', we are not dealing with opiate receptors. the idea is to stop the re uptake or serotonin. I have been on citalopram for over five years and have not had to have my dose up-ed, as he is saying. my be they should put him on it, as all his information comes from books and not actual experience
sunracer1971 1 month ago
@sunracer1971 that is because citalopram doesnt have higher benefits at doses of 40 mg per day. Your dr. wont increase your citalopram in that case but instead prescribe you another anti depressant the moment you complain that you are "down". Why dont you try it out? And no this dr. is not wrong. The mechanism of SSRIs remains the same, regardless of efficacy. You are playing around with dangerous components especially because the community admits they dont really know what causes depression
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
@sunracer1971 ..great.....nonaddictive.. must be easy to quit. ...."The Idea" had been proven wrong.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
Personally I would be very worried about taking mind altering and brain biology changing drugs as a matter of medical prescription on a regular basis, everyday of my life. That is scary. It is like causing bran damage to yourself. Life is tough, it has ups and down and abysses for everyone - this is part of being human. The way you deal with your own nature, with the reality of things, is to work on them on your ow or with the help of a therapist. It is not done by pumping drugs in your brain.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
@WendyKroy77 how the hell do you know if these drugs cause depression like your scaring the shit out of everyone including me, they do help some people. but i am interested in hearing your explanation why do u think so? have you ever taken them? if they do cause brain damage can it be fixed? where are u getting your info from?
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 I feel how I Used to feel yrs.ago - not a happy zombie but regular, functional. Bit of weight gain(10lbs) but I'm tall:-) I can still cry but not crippled by it. It makes Ts less difficult, & reduces my social awkwardness w/ Aspergers. Aversion's not dangerous. U list & rate ur 'rituals'&work on 'exposing' yourself to them (least 2 most compelling), & with baby steps u can re'map' ur brain 2feel almost no discomfort from skipping rituals.
ammyanne 1 month ago
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dannyboidj1 1 month ago
They Cause 40,000 Deaths a Year - But They're Handed Out Like Candy
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/03/tips-to-avoiding-depression.aspx
222and 1 month ago
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222and 1 month ago
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YOUR DOCTOR OR DEALER ? ? ?
THERE IS NOTHING FUCKIN WRONG WITH YOU ! !
YOU WANT TO BECOME A GAWD DAMN PILL JUNKIE ! !
YOUR "GOD" THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES MAKE YOUR FAVORITE PILL CANDY ! ! !
YOU STUPID FUCKER WANTING TO BE ON THESE PILLS ARE GOING TO BECOME SLAVES TO THE CORPORATE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ! !
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU FUCKERS, ALL YOU JACKASSES WANT TO BE ON PILLS AND NOW YOU CAN'T GET OFF OF THOSE PILLS AND IF YOU TRY YOUR GOING TO SUFFER BIG TIME FOR IT ! ! !
nonassumsit 1 month ago
very interesting,i think
Valoo26 1 month ago
Seems like he's talking a lot of sense. Not sure why people think he's a dickhead.
bennylector 1 month ago
this guy is a complete fucktard
robinjbr 1 month ago
I wish I could totally agree- I do regarding big pharmacy and longterm impact, but if u try EVERYTHING and life is garbage, u have no choice. I can't even get out of bed cos of sadness. Its alter the brain or live in my room forever. I pick altering...
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne well, are you feeling better now on drugs? have you ever looked at the root cause for your unhappiness? Not everyone is unhappy because it is a pathology. Often people are unhappy because of some issue in their life that is unresolved or causes stress. have you identified that issue? Do you go to therapy? has your taking of antidepressants made you capable of dealing with the issues in your life that bring you down in the first place? How exactly are these drugs helping?
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
@WendyKroy77
Hi.-yes to unresolved &I.d.'d. Prob.nature&nurture 2gether. I can feign 'normal'to blend but I've mild Aspergers&tourettes. depression is very comorbid, & aspergers kids are notorious bully victims, throw in ptsd from bullying. Did therapy til too expensive, pot vapouriser =seriously helps most, but scared to get in trouble. Citalopram takes me from nightmares, flashbacks&days of tears,immovable sadness, 2existing withpeople,fam,pets,boyfriend, the arts.works 4me for yrs.
ammyanne 1 month ago
@WendyKroy77 and I do agree with this dude 90% but everyone is diff. His methods may be very correct for most, but brains have actual physiological diffs within parameters of various neurological issues(anxieties = large amygdala or something &autism=smaller hemisphere connector ) so his methods,whilst valid, may not help all. Although id love it if they did...
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne The cause for depression is unknown. They THINK it is serotonin but they dont really know. They even admit it in their ads for crissakes. The way antidepressant drugs on tested on mice is to stress the brain and then give them SSRIs. But that treats only the stress, not depression. A lot of people have circumstantial depression but Drs just give out these pills like tic tac. IF you wanna be the pharm industries guinea pig that is your choice. They damage ur brain to make money.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
I notice when people say the word "cocain" they over prononounce the "o" or the "ai". I wonder if its because its a powerfull feeling you get from the drug and so you tend to over emphesize the word. Weird?
packersrogers 1 month ago
Despite my bad experiences with SSRIs the attitudes of some of these commentors is exactly was led to my being messed up when I took the meds in the first place. Family and friends treated me like crap, bullied and teased me for being on meds instead of caring to give alternative solutions to my ongoing depression. If more people showed a little more care and a little less lecturing and labeling, maybe some of us would've never needed to turn to SSRIs to begin with.
mupty 1 month ago
@mupty but you turned to SSRIs becasue you were depressed already. In other words, you were on meds already and THEN you were bullied. It was not like you were fine, then were bullied for taking antidepressants and then took antidepressants. That doesnt even make sense. You got the cause and effect here all wrong.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
@WendyKroy77 No. I was already being treated like crap for having depression. No one was willing to take my condition seriously. When I took SSRIs that's when their treatment of me got worse.
mupty 1 month ago
...which proves the point that your depression is circumstantial and not clinical.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
take a look at the link he provides in the description, its for natural health supplements. So of course hes going to be biased against pharmaceuticals.
planegenius 1 month ago
@planegenius ..yep...you oughta take that healthy skepticism and apply to big drug companies. It is not being biased anymore. Only those in deep denial remain but they will not be 'remaining' for long.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
This is guy is full of shit.....
BASSAROVER 1 month ago
I just have to say to everyone that most of what he is saying is complete and total bullshit. Depression is a natural feeling that everyone experiences. We all have normal highs and lows. This is called situational depression. But when deep, long lasting depression occurs for no reason, it is called clinical depression and it can and should be treated. I speak as someone who's been taking medication for my depression for six years! I can say that the medicine saved my life.
x22stepx 1 month ago
@x22stepx yea but there has to be something wrong if your happy 24/7, because that isn't normal. What you say is true but there also is natural ways of fighting depression that is frequently overlooked, and we often want the quick and easy fix to our problems.
laserjik 1 month ago
@x22stepx but the point is that in this day and age these meds are over prescribed mainly because there is a big push by pharmaceutical companies, as he explained in the beginning, to give these drugs out. When a company spends millions on R&D for a drug they need to make up for it which means selling. I dont think he is saying we should not ever give antidepressants I think he is saying that the real dangers of these drugs, and they ARE dangerous, are not really disclosed to people.
WendyKroy77 1 month ago
Somehow our perception of ourselves has changed, very cleverly. Also note the curious way that these drugs NEVER heal anybody.. you just have to keep taking them for the rest of your life. The mind you were born with is deemed never good enough to function on it's own.. you must be drugged forever more.. (forever more PAYING for your drugs)
They dont heal, they keep you in limbo of functioning fine, so long as you dont stop taking them :)
SaschaSidney 1 month ago
@SaschaSidney ...yup,there's no cure with drugs just "management". It never ends well.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
Also everybody.. look at all the people on SSRI's and other legal psychotropic drugs. How many people do you know who are on them. Is everybody really sick? Are we all "not normal?" Is there something wrong with almost all of us? Do we all need drugs to maintain our normality? Are we not normal without drugs?
(lets bare in mind that drugs have to keep getting paid for every month :) )
SaschaSidney 1 month ago
Ha... all the drug reps posting in these comments has me alarmed and amazed. These drugs are addictive. This man is speaking the absolute utter truth. Obviously if he has compassion for a heroin addict he has compassion for someone suffering major depression. All common sense here.
SaschaSidney 1 month ago
@SaschaSidney from past experience i had horrible social anxiety and remember just wanting to work out, and after 3!!! DAYS!! it went away. I wasn't shy or anything, its like i had the key to my life right in my pocket. It was just a matter of me taking control of my life and not letting it waste away. But now lol... im kind of in a hole again.. haha
laserjik 1 month ago
Tom....go to med school love....the internet and google is not a university.
awsomemommy71 1 month ago
I wonder if the intracellular concentration of serotonin is reduced by the inhibition of the serotonin transporter the metabolism does the cell metabolise more tryptophan to compensate and retain homeostatis?
tomlinid 1 month ago
Yea I started on Paxil.Then Celexia,Then Zoloft . They all feel the same withdraws.. Like you are loosing your mind and the reality of killing someone else or yourself goes up, or being thrown in a physch ward (cold turkey withdraws) to avoid any of that you have to taper down super slow. I am thinking my brain is altered for life but I will work with how I feel and deal with it accordingly in a healthy way. But I think most people who are not on SSRI's underestimate the severity of withdraw
CelestialViolette 1 month ago
yes but like in my case. I had no choice. My parents put me on them at 13. As a grown adult I dont know how anyone in their right mind would choose these. I am having to undo what my parents did to me and its effected the rest of my life.
CelestialViolette 1 month ago
@CelestialViolette hey man i am in the same boat as you, i was put on celexa for ocd 10mg for and it really helped me through highschool until 2007 when i was 17 it stopped working, so i was put on cholomapharine 50mg..so i was taking at that time 60mg celexa and 50cholomapharine... 2008 the cholomipharine was bumped up to 100mg. i was feeling clueless at times and almost like a zombie thankfully in 2009 i weened off to 50mg cholomapharine
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 now i am taking only 20mg of celexa...i feel 10 times better but i still keep asking myself day after day if the damage is done how the fuck do you know? no one has a straight answer
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@dannyboidj1 so SAY your receptors were fucked forever...which they are NOT...I am giving you personal testimony here and I know many other people that have had the same experience. Forget the science because it's FLAWED science.... anyway even if the receptors were fucked...would you want to stay on them? It's like any other addiction it's tough to quit. It's tough to make ANY profound life change. You have to make that decision, that choice. Glad I did...really glad.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 i feel the same way...deciding whether or not to get back on my meds now after being pressured by my psychologist...not sure what i should do
NiangoChan 1 month ago
@NiangoChan well it depends how they make you feel, for me i absolutely needed my 10mg of celexa my ocd was crazy i had to arrange everything in the same order i needed medication and i doubt natural remedies would have helped, now i am seeing a naturopath who is a professor and substitutes natural treament plans with ssri's. it all depends on how the meds make you feel. remember the pharma industry is a 300 billion dollar industry they are out to make money
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 i really didnt have any side effects on paxil. but i missed being how i was before. and i dont want it changing my brain
NiangoChan 1 month ago
@NiangoChan wait so your saying that paxil took away "who you were before"
heres what you can do, play a sport, start working out, hit the gloden gloves, find a girl friend, travel around the world....i guarantee you that your depression will diminish after you do all these things. you are in a slump right now and what i mentioned above is the perfect way to get out of a slump.
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 and on top of that be strong about it, dont have fear, and you will do it.
laserjik 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 how i was meaning sad all the time
NiangoChan 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 I understand and agree-except if u can afford it, or are curious, aversion response therapy has been used 4 ocd with quite a lot of success for at least ten years. Mines 95% gone from it. Fyi. But I'm on Citalopram for other stuff. U should ck.it out. It actually creates new pathways in ur brain over time, so its quite difficult to have an ocd relapse too.
ammyanne 1 month ago
@ammyanne ...new pathways can be created by creating new habits.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ammyanne how does celexa make you feel? you mentioned that you have tourettes as well as asbergers? and is aversion therapy safe?
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
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Prozac = Rat Poison = Fluoride = BRAIN DAMAGE
They will try to convince you that this drug is "safe"--that it cause no damage, but this is a lie. The very essence of the drug is HIGHLY TOXIC. Sodium Fluoride was studied extensively in 1945 as it was the MAIN INGREDIENT IN THE ATOMIC BOMB. What they found is that Sodium Fluoride was far more toxic to the central nervous system even in minute doses--it's only a matter of time before permenant and IRREVERSIBLE BRAIN DAMAGE OCCURS.
MoonShineProds 1 month ago
I have been on SSRIs for 15 years. in the past 3 years i have slowly shaved pills from 100 to 50 mg. but it took 3 years to make that drop with no withdraws. I do notice I am more intense and slowly more of my old personality back but, instead of being drugged, I am embracing it and learning to chanel and grow with who I am. My personality is not a disorder, its a gift in disguise!
CelestialViolette 1 month ago
@CelestialViolette ..wel they have to have a disorder in order to start poisoning you with these toxic,evil drugs. Your personality IS a gift. Embrace the real you. ...;)
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
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ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
90% in the gut?...hmmmm
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
factoid...Although it is widely believed that a serotonin deficiency plays a role in depression, there is no way to measure its levels in the living brain and (2)
Researchers don't know whether the dip in serotonin causes the depression, or the depression causes serotonin levels to drop.(3). Although serotonin is manufactured in the brain, where it performs its primary functions, some 90% of our serotonin supply is found in the digestive tract
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
I am talking from personal experience. My SSRI medication has worked, has helped and has had very minimal side effects.
I can't really ask for anything else! I have no interest in anyone else's opinion on these drugs because they're working for me and, if asked, i would definitely recommend trying them if you're were at the bottom like i was!
VILLAGER737 2 months ago
@VILLAGER737 ..."I have no interest in anyone else's opinion" ...if that was so then why bother posting? Of course you would say that...you're drugged. I do not want to die drugged. You are stronger than you've been lead to believe. Usage of SSRI NEVER ends well.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory I know i'm strong. Anyone who has been through what i have and comes through it is very strong.
I cannot express enough to you or other sceptics how much Sertraline has helped me. To say there's been a transformation is not an exaggeration!
We're never gonna agree on this, let's face it...........
VILLAGER737 2 months ago
@VILLAGER737 .well...that's ok...everything happens for a reason...good health...:)
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
AND ...want proof? Ask your Dr. how many of his patients have recovered when taking these mind bending zombie drugs. The answer is none.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
Do people think that anxiety and depression are new? It's so simple...take a pill and your problems will be alleviated. Nonsense! Our culture is so fragmented that we are will willing to be poisoned in order to be deemed sane. Now, if I get hit by a car I want to see an MD standing there but I don't want her/him to help me in my journey through life with these horrible drugs. At that point anything is better than so called western medicine.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
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herbs and supplemnts are highly effective and non toxic. No one knows how SSRIs work. Ask your withdoctor(MD/GP) how they work.If she/he says that they undertsand the mechanisms behind SSRIs they're lying. Just like the big drug companies.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
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ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
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,,,may not be athorised but at the very least ..heavily influenced. Why are we as a culture afraid to speak out against the use of these toxic drugs? If I pay for a service I expect to get something postive for that service. If I pay for a service and it hurts me I should have legal recourse. Lots of torts have happened and are happening right now against the manufacters of bad drugs. We need to take it a step further and include the person who prescribed them. No immunity for DR.s
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
Every one throw away your prescription and go buy some weed. It gives you the same effect and you could grow it.
alexperryst 2 months ago 3
@alexperryst 100% right but as a parent I'm terrified to get into trouble. They're working on legalising it everywhere as is right. Until then, fear of the 'man' &my vindictive ex. Keeps my usage to a bare minimum...
ammyanne 1 month ago
Lol so what chemicals are u made up of then if were all so different
GzLessonz 2 months ago
Villger.. Y dont u try being grateful?.. How does a drug make u grateful. Unless ur high....
GzLessonz 2 months ago
Sertraline (ZOLOFT) has been absolutely brilliant for me. I suffered really badly from depression and particularly anxiety with some HORRIFIC consequences and symptoms!
My life/attitude has been completely improved and i don't believe any side effects of Sertraline can be worse than the never ending symptoms of anxiety which were absolutely awful!
I think this guy may have another agenda, perhaps selling a 'natural' alternative.......who knows?
VILLAGER737 2 months ago 2
@VILLAGER737 ..the effect long term is toxic and with serious side effects. The same thing can be achieved through natural means. Maybe your a drug rep....who knows?
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@VILLAGER737 I think you are right.....i completely agree.These medicines have enabled millions of people around the world to enjoy their daily work and lead a healthy life. Why go for herbal medicines which have efficacy near that to a placebo in clinical trials?
drmvss 2 months ago
@drmvss ...you must be a drug rep..either that or very well conditioned. Smarten up....:)
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory ah people can recover from these drugs, you just need a good naturopath who specializes in weening off antidepressants. I agree with you to a certain extend....but some people need these drugs to function when nutrition doesnt work plain and simple. the "zombie" like people you are talking about are on heavy doses and have been for most of their lives. as for me the most i ever took was 100mg cholomapharmine 60 celexa 2007-2009 but now im only at 20mg celexa
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 ..you know I just disagree that "some People need" .What people NEED to do is nourish themselves first and foremost. We are the mental summation of what we introduce into our systems. Mass doping is unnecessary but it is profitable. What if all psychological maladys where the result of impropper nutrition? What if the same were a result of food allergies?
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory Yep. This crap wasn't out way back when, and people got along just fine. People go to Dr. for EVERYTHING now. Man, most people that take these don't need it, and the ones that do don't. Seems everyone now days has some problem that they HAVE to have a pill for.. It's crap, and MOST need to toughen up. It's life. I mean, damn. "I have a problem, I need a pill" What a crock..This is why people that need meds, can't get them. EVERYONE has problems now that needs pills. BULL...
KrashKrazyKash 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 ..hey..congrats you are almost off of them!...:) Taper to ten and then 5 and quit. Boost serotonin with Tryptophan(5HTP) Naturally....:) Join the drug free people who have become the minority AND educate yourself while breaking your conditioning. Remember, THEY cannot measure serotonin in the living brain.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory i completely agree i think nutrition is the way to go...have you ever taken any of these drugs? i just hope taking that high dose in my teenage years wont have an adverse effect. what do you think? and is it possible to measure serotonin receptors in the brain? because apparently ssri's cause down regulation of them.
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
@dannyboidj1 ..The receptors will reset and heal for sure~! While it may NOT be possible to measure receptor activity a MRI MAY
be used to measure brain activity. It is not an exact science to say the
least. So we have been the the guinea pigs...your tougher than you have been led to believe. Start tapering! ...:)
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@ThePastorGregory hey man is that a fact that they will heal for sure? how do u know?
dannyboidj1 1 month ago
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@dannyboidj1 I know for sure...listen...mine did!...forget the "what" if stuff. Anxiety and depression are different sides of the same coin. Do you get out for a walk? No one said it was easy, your'e in a fight BUT..just sooo worth it.....:) I mean your close now anyway. Your brain needs the propper nutrients to heal.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
@VILLAGER737 dude I say the same thing. Poison away if I can enjoy my life. Too much time wasted sobbing in bed. Years.
ammyanne 1 month ago
Take one of those wasted years and change your diet. The "western diet" contains few nutrients.
ThePastorGregory 1 month ago
This is amazing information and very well explained. This stuff is dangerous!!! I am so glad I found this after reading about the side effects of zoloft and especially zoloft birth defects on commonzoloftsideeffects . info . Well worth checking out. Thanks Dr Kohls.
DreamAlive100 2 months ago
But I know people who have been on SSRIs for many, many years (like 30+)- the drugs have worked for them, and they are happy?
iamveltto 2 months ago
@iamveltto ..define "worked for them" after 30 years they are no longer the same person...to me that's scary!
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory Not if they were unhappy with the person they were before. Believe it or not, some people (myself included) want to change their personality.
squizz222 2 months ago
@squizz222 ..change your attitude and change your life...do not take the evil f...ing drugs.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory You've clearly never dealt with clinical depression. It's not just "feeling blue"; it's a downward spiral that pulls you in deeper, obscuring your view, your sense of identity, and your motivation. If it were so easy to "change your attitude," I'd have succeeded a long time ago.
squizz222 2 months ago
@squizz222 ...i spent 15 years in a bed suffering from depression. Now I run 3 miles min. every day. No profession help. Was it easy...no but I did it. You have to be tough and drug free, I take supplements. They cured me.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
saving grace my ass..these are evil toxic drugs.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory But once you're in that kind of mindstate, it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out on your own. I tried for years, but even therapy didn't work until I started taking an SSRI. It's not an "evil drug," it's a saving grace. That being said, it's not a cure by itself, and not everybody with depression needs it. But for some people, it's a good place to start.
squizz222 2 months ago
@squizz222 ,,,no it's a horrible place to start.We will look at this period in our evolution as the dark days.Mass doping! You're tougher than you think. Stop listening to these idiot,irresponsible medical doctors.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory I'm speaking from personal experience. I've tried exercise. I've tried counseling on its own. It wasn't enough. You say nobody needs drugs to overcome depression because YOU didn't need drugs to overcome yours. You're overgeneralizing and it doesn't work, because everybody's depression and personality are different. Not everybody is as tough as you.
squizz222 2 months ago
@squizz222 .you can do it....;)
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@squizz222 ..there's hope...it's just not in drugs. I understand.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@squizz222 I do agree - lol..especially as far as exercising goes. i workout 2 hours a day..and I workout pretty hard. Every therapist I have been too are baffled that my anxiety is still as high as it is because I exercise a lot. "do you get regular exercise" ffs..yes...Clearly, exercise alone amongst other "natural" things sometimes are just not enough for those who have severe depression and anxiety.
sarajcoleman 1 month ago
I'm having burning sensation in my chest
LadyCocoa1234 2 months ago
nortryptiline is addictive too.... you get horrible withdrawals but I hated WHO I was on it.
grettagrids 2 months ago
D'ont give a shit about this cunt, the medication I take is fucking GOOD for me.
bostonhcfuckers 3 months ago
@bostonhcfuckers I can tell it makes you very level headed and caring whatever you are taking.
ryannath2003 2 months ago
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and still, we shouldn't forget that antidepressants help many people, if they are used properly greets
zjsg7wld 3 months ago
Omg im so scared right now i just turned 18 and this is my first week on it... and im on Citalopram (ssri) and now im seeing all of this... god damn you depression\anxiety!!
BunnysiEat 3 months ago
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Paxil saved my life. if it helps you, then is it really that bad?
BeastmodeKes 3 months ago
@BeastmodeKes ..Paxil is a bad drug. Many lawsuits outstanding. Paxil didn't save your life.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@ThePastorGregory
I'm telling you it did. Just because it didnt work for someone with a different chemical make up, doesn't mean it didn't save me. I'm alive today, and it's because paxil saved me from killing myself!
BeastmodeKes 2 months ago
@BeastmodeKes ..i am telling you that it didn't. The will to live did.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago
@BunnysiEat Throw them out. Pretend to be taking them, just stash them away or dissolve them with water. That's how I get rid of my zoloft. Leave it in water for a few minutes, and it will start to dissolve. Then, just throw that solution out the toilet, and clean/throw away the container you dissolved the pills in. VISIT YOUR DOCTOR and tell them you use the stuff, so they'll leave you alone. Since you're only on week one, whatever you took won't damage you too much.
Get good exercise.
rainbowheydrich 3 months ago
Old man, well said! So how do I get involved in a Class Action lawsuit against the FDA for even approving these?
bludg30n 4 months ago
i've been on a ssri (lexapro) for months. it helps me a lot with anxiety and depression, but i go completely mad when i don't have it.
maxandlogan22 4 months ago
@maxandlogan22 The bottom line is, if you feel worse without it, this doctor sounds like he'd rather you feel worse.. doesn't make sense! It's great that it works for you. What works for some, doesn't work for others, etc..
groov539 3 months ago
Sorry , Dr Gary , SSRI's are not addictive or prone to tolerance............they have s/e ......go check your undergraduade textbooks , leave alone postgraduate ones!!!!
drmvss 4 months ago
Sorry , Dr Gary , SSRI's are not addictive or prone to tolerance............they have s/e ......go check your undergraduade textbooks , leave alone postgraduate ones!!!!
drmvss 4 months ago
@drmvss ...typical psychopath. Undergraduate textbooks are written by Big Pharma.
ThePastorGregory 2 months ago