i can explain that its the cockpit sound between the f-16 pilot and the f-14 tomcat pilot while dogfighting between each other the other sound is the lock on button when f-16 pilot is locking on the f-14 tomcat the f-16 pilot has won this combat in holland whe have f-16 mlu from Airbase Volkel and Airbase Leeuwarden.Greetings from Holland Piet.
I wish there was a way to really simulate projectiles. All they do here is place a lock on or "assume you were hit" with it. I believe with projectiles you can really see if you're hitting the mark. Projectiles tend to have a trajectory and will not easily go in a straight line during a dogfight like here. Evn missiles that can "splash paint" on a dogfight training will help. This way, you don't always assume a hit though there's really no "contact"
f22 raptor requires 30 hrs. of maintenance for every for every 1hr flying time after 3hrs flying time its grounded for 90hrs maintenance america would run out of planes to fly in a large war
English electric lightning from brake release to 45000ft 180 seconds no f14 orf16 can match this this is awesome performance even by today's standards not bad for a 1959 designed plane it also frightened the shit out of american u2 spy plane when it was 8000ft above u2 plane at 88000ft flown by flt ltnt hale this plane beat all jets in the air at this time american and French mirage jets
this is a fucking joke.. the pilot(f-16) never had a real lock on the tomcat, and the fact that it took so much work to even get the f-14 visible shows how manoeuvrable the tomcat was.. also this wasnt even a dog fight.. it was an f-16 chasing an f-14
@Antihippie24 this video is a students vs instructor training session. Experienced Turkey drivers beat F-16's regularly. It has a lot to do with the experience of the pilot and the F-14 should have been upgraded because the SH cant even compete with the D model, leaving our fleets with less protection.
The airplanes are not fighting each other..its skill of the pilot and training.I feel if you put any American fighter pilot in a SU27 or any high end foreign fighter and turn him loose he will still come out on top.Our aircraft cost a lot(Quality over quanity) so our pilots train and train to bring them home safely and to bring home that ;I lost count on how these things are running now....We have some highly trained pilots!!!!
f14 was never intended for ground attack.F14 was design when the mindset was fr air defense of the fleet and you noticed f18 took a heavy ground attack role...F=fighter,FA= fighter attack
i Have to uncles in the military each are pilots one flys f-14's the other f-16's. they both say that the f-14 is a 'danger close' weapon while the f-16 is used against other aircraft.
Kid, you're either the worst liar in the world or your uncles are total idiots. The F-14 is a long-range air-to-air interceptor with the ability fill in a secondary role of a dogfighter. The F-16 is a multi-role fighter capable of dogfighting, bombing, and limited CAS of ground forces. The F-14 was used for ground attack only as an improvised bomber in the 1990s when the US Navy was retireing the A-6s. The ground attack role was eventually took over by the F-18 & FA-18
@thunderstrike534 No F-14s are in service anymore(in the United States). They haven't been for almost 5 years. My brother was in the last Tomcat squadron(VF-31) and was transferred to fly F-18E Super Hornets. The F-14B was modified to F-14D models to carry bombs in the '90s I believe. The F-14 was originally designed to be a long-range interceptor of bombers first, and a dogfighter second. It was designed specifically to defend the carrier fleet by destroying incoming aircraft.
@thunderstrike534 LOL at this post here, most uninformed poster of all times with this shyt here. LOL F14 ground attack plane, just stop it bruh, stop there no more to be said.
Ok guys, Technology and what the planes can do does give an advantage, But it really comes down to the skill of the pilot. If you had different pilots in the jets, you would probably get a different outcome. But personaly I would prefer an F-16. :D
That's funny,I could have sworn the Navy had at least two combat engagements with their F-14s and the Libyan Air Force in the 1980's and I am also certain that the Iranians had alot more dogfights with their F-14's when they were at war with Iraq during the same time .
That's funny,I could have sworn the Navy had at least two combat engagements with their F-14s and the libyan Air Force on the 1980's and I am also certain that the Iranians had alot more dogfights with their F-14's when they were at war with Iraq during the same time .
@BlazeOutcast the line on the hud is where the bullets are projected to hit if the gun were firing, the end of the line is in theory where you want your target to be when you pull the trigger
Magdum1000...your comment "avionics aside"...you cannot seperate the aircraft from its weapons or avionics; hence, that is what makes it a weapons platform and not just an aircraft. So, you are correct. In pure manueverability, the F-16 would win but in true A2A with no handicaps...I take the F-14 any day...especially in "Fleet Defense". Over water, the F-16 simply cannot hide and over-the-horizon capabillities of the Phoenix...dead F-16, period.
Magdum1000...you are wrong. Only the most sophisticated platforms have over- the-horizon capabilities. The YA12 introduced the concept and from that we eventually perfected it with the F-14. The exercise video you are watching actually handicaps the F-14. The purpose of the exercise is to increase the "visiting" pilots A2A capabilities. Had the F-14 not been handicapped it would engage well before the F-16 could even acquire it as a target. I totally agree with precision40.
the pilot looks so relaxed while flying. I can't imagine flying a jet fighter is really that relaxed! Btw: does anyone know if the F-14's that are taken off service are beeing kept in reserve, or are they scrapped?
the fact that a long interceptor like the f-14 (WITH ITS HUGE HEAVY ASS) can somewhat hold its own in a dogfight is amazing. so to see it lose to something the size and turning speed of a mosquito is not suprising
@jpondee Obviously. However, that's not the mission of the Adversary Squadron. They will fly the F-16 within the parameters of a MiG-21 to train new students, since most every aggressor nation's Air Force has a MiG-21. For a little more seasoned pilot training, the Aggressor Squadron can fly the F-16 to the parameters of an Su-37 making air combat a definite challenge for the students. It's not about kicking ass as it is sharpening the students skills.
Remember, the F-14 and the F-16 had very different design philosophies. The F-14 was designed as a fleet defense interceptor, not as a dog fighter. It is a big/heavy plane designed to stay aloft for long patrols and shoot enemies with missles beyond visual range. The fact that it can dogfight as well as it does is astounding! Whereas the F-16 was designed from the start as a dogfighter, not an interceptor. The F-16s took so long to kill the F-14s because they were training the F-14 pilots!
@shooter963 I wish people would stop stating that the F-14 wasnt designed as a dog fighter and just and interceptor. The F-14 was designed as a air superiority fighter and an interceptor. Experienced F-14 pilots beat the F-16 on a regular basis. Try looking at the F-14's in the Iran Iraq war where the F-14's were dogfighting against Mig's, Su's and Mirage's. The F-14 lost 3 aircraft to sams, 3 to a2a, while destroying 140 aircraft. Currently the F-14 has a bigger kill count than the F-15.
Contrary to what you saw in the movie "Top Gun" dog-fights are highly scripted before flight, the winner is know because they are playing a scenario. They just don't go up and it's every man for himself. The 14 was never a match for the 16, but the 16 is extremely comparable in performance to most of our adversaries. 1 on 1 against planes like that, the 14 will generally lose everytime.
@precision40 Exactly, the f14 would have normally used its bvr capability before even getting into guns range with an f16. I mean this is child's play for the f16 pilots.
@precision40 bull shit F-14s attack before most airplanes even see them they really don't dogfight my dad was a F-14 pilot and he never went into a dogfight. Dogfights are a last resort for the F-14. they manly kill you from a distance.
@Magdum1000 No one is debating that fact, the discussion is not about OTH capabilities but 1 on 1 dogfighting ability. Your Daddy the pilot will say the same thing that the 14 is a sloth compared to the 16 and absolutely NO competition for an 15, 18 or 22.
@precision40 actually the f-14s radar even 1 on 1 would kill all those aside from the f15 which uses a similar if not the same radar. the rest of the aircraft would have to get close in order to take em down. f15s are a beast. mainly due to the bracing for the swing wing design on tomcats, it makes them a little heavier. But, they both used dual pratt n whitney motors on the f15, f16, and alpha tomcats. bravos and deltas turned to GE for engines. but close up... you're right on.
Got right, but... In most conflicts you've got commands to identyfie enemy aircafts by sight... Just not to make an mistake. (Libian Mig-23's for egzamaple)
@Magdum1000 Maybe your Daddy can tell you exactly what P40 said. Avionics capabilities aside and at CLOSE range the 16 will smoke a 14 100% of the time. Were not talking about "over-the-horizon" fighting. Have you ever seen an F14 up close compared to a 16? It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Peterbuilt. The 16 can turn on a dime, the 14 cannot. It's basic aeronautics. The whole "it will kill you before you see it" is babble because every U.S. fighter has that capability now.
@midlandflyguy everyone assumes the 14 is a slow turning aircraft its isnt it has the same radius as a f/a-18d and twice the power of said aircraft its all about the pilot the 16s are flown buy vets of gulf war 1 and bosnia [granted not much dog fighting occurred] but the are familiar with a2a engagements the students are only familiar with theory so of course the 16s would have the advantage but by the end of the course most of the student will have killed an instructor in simulated DFs.
@midlandflyguy sir there is a Lt. Col in the NAVY who went to Germany and flew the F-14 vs the MiG-29 and trashed the MiG handily over and over again. It is not the aircraft it is the pilot. This is a training excercise and more than likely the F-14's are being flown by new pilots. You forget we know none of the exercises abjectives or limitations. The F-14 can turn with an F-16 in the 250-300 range. It can hold its own up unitl 500.
@BBEEAANN1 a LT, Col in the NAVY???????????????? really? although a lot of what you say here is not too far off the mark, your first words said here makes you look ridiculous, the navy has no such rank as Lt. Col, however i have had some time in a tomcats cockpit against mig 29's that we purchased from russia in the 1990's and yes i did come out with a very respectable record against them, not as good as i did against f-16's or f/a-18's but it does seem as thought the russians are getting better
@TheScrumpty yes well that is what I had read on an aviation forums. Pilots were discussing it. I could not find the exact forum I was reading so either 1. remembered the info incorrectly or 2. they made a mistake with the stated info but, I thought that had sated Lt. Col but, since you are a pilot you then know the correct rank terminology. I just know that the F-14 can hold its own in a dog fight as well as in BVR range.
@ViciousCritique Reiterated by "Hoser", "Snort", "Frosty", "Turk" and a myriad of other long-time Tomcat drivers, and proven against German MiG-29's by folks like "Slapshot"). This is taken from a site here "Knight Syndrome" and the F-14 Tomcat Some good info on the site and I got some great info from the book Bye Bye Baby!
@ViciousCritique Fascinating analysis. MiG-29 is shit? Keeping up with those Luftwaffe Combat Simulations are you?
Fulcrum's rap has been filled with sub-par middle east pilots. A Fulcrum with a skilled pilot and Archer, is a respected foe, maybe not the best, but respected. I don't care what pilot you are, that is a fact that cannot be denied.
@ViciousCritique according to many the MiG-29 can mop the deck with the F-16 and F-15. Many have said the F-14 cannot tangle with the F-15 or F-16 and would be no match for the MiG-29 which, is nonsense because the Turkey has put the beat down on al three fighters. It isnt the plane, it is the experience of the pilot. In the horizontal the F-14 is in a league of its own even now.
@midlandflyguy the F-14 can turn with an F-16 under 500mph. The F-14 conserves far more energy in turns than an F-16. I guess you dont frequent pilot forums where F-14/F-16 pilots disguss experience Turkey drivers who eat the F-16 up on a regular. The F-14 not only can conserve energy in certain turns but, can increase it. The Turkey was designed as an Interceptor and an air superiority fighter.
@BBEEAANN1 People just love to hate on the 14 and thats al it is! I saw a few 15 pilots on here before saying the F14 is alot more maneuverable than most think it is! I agree it is, but some love to hate like the Cat was nothing and just a long range fighter during the cold war and thats all! I think they are wrong.
@midlandflyguy btw there is video on youtube of an F-14 doing a minimal radius turn in the same time as an F-22, something the F-16 cannot do, so much for the F-14 sucking at its ability to turn.
@BBEEAANN1 heads just love to hate on that cat, thats all it is man! They want to think it sucks at this or that ir it's just glorified from TOP GUN! The T Cat was a serious weapon and one of it's kind, most will know that if they know the game.
@onblock7 yeah, they wouldnt be saying jack if they actually upgraded the F-14 like Grumman could have. Thanks to Dick Chenney who squashed that upgrade because he tried to buy Grumman and they told him to piss off. So now our fleet defense is half of what it was with the F-14 which, is disgusting. The F-14 out flew the F-18 legacy and SH, out gunned it, out ran it and out bombed it(a job the F-18 was designed to do that the F-14 wasnt). It's disgusting people think the F-14 sucks
@eclipse245 never heard of a phantom missile, i have heard of the phantom airplane, the f-14 replaced it in the U.S. navy, and it is the only airplane that carried the phoenix missile, but never heard of a phantom missile, but 30 miles targets can be targeted and attacked by the last model of sparrow missile and all of the AMRAAM missile, the phoenix was for very distant targets of more than 75 miles
@TheScrumpty F14 carried 6 Phoneix missles...range of 125 miles....aircraft was designed to protect fleet...shoot down USSR Backfire Bombers..........she was a great plane...
@TheScrumpty F14 carried 6 Phoneix missles...range of 125 miles....aircraft was designed to protect fleet...shoot down USSR Backfire Bombers..........
@Magdum1000 ok sure. ask your dad about this though: F-14s (and all navy aircraft for that matter) could not engage an aircraft without visual confirmation that it was an enemy aircraft. completely negating the aim-54 and other beyond visual range weapons systems.
@Magdum1000 You can kill a fighter with phoenix, but with a very low probability. This missle is designed to intercept bombers and anti-ship cruise missles - low maneuvrable targets .
Yeah they use the AIM-54 Phoenix for that. Works like an AMRAAM just a loooooong ass range. But in this case they probably used Sidewinders only for training purposes. Thats why they got so close, most likley..
@pyro4002 really are u retarded he just said two highly trained instructors vs. 2 students in f-14s the f-16 didnt beat them the topgun instructors did and yes precision40 is right the tomcat is the only plane in the world to carry the aim-54 pheonix a missle capable of downing an aircraft(minimum recorded distance) of 100+ miles away tomcats will take any plane out of the air long before it has a chance to react far beyond its field of vision
Actually, the F-111B carried the Pheonix as well, seeing it was the weapon system the Pheonix was originally designed for, as was the AN/AWG9 radar. Grumman took all the good points on the F111B and got rid of the weaknesses (like overweight airframe, engine stalling intakes,high tail, poor low speed manoevring to make the f14, but strangely went for a tandem cockpit. The side by side cockpit the f-111 had was adopted because of a specific demand by the USN
@pyro4002 Well no shit that F-16 won. 1, the F-16 pilots are INSTRUCTORS, which means that they're probably more experienced than the student Tomcat pilots. 2, F-14's have beaten F-16's many times in mock ups.
@ViciousCritique You're pretty naive when it comes down to facts and characteristics of dogfighting. I feel sorry for whoever listens to your incorrect bullshit. XD
@pyro4002 you just watched student pilots get beat by instructors. If you actually listen to the F-16 pilots the second F-14 student gives the F-16 a run for its money. Experienced Turkey drivers eat the F-16 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Maybe in the world you live in. The F16 is a smaller, lighter aircraft allowing it more maneuverability and te upgraded models have even more range. Pair that up with an experienced pilot and its a hard plane to beat. I'm not saying the 16 is perfect but in THIS situation it has the upper hand with an experienced pilot. Or better yet, get an F22 up there with some long range missiles and don't worry about dog fighting.
@ViperSRTnACR Obviously you dont talk to many pilots or visit aviation forums where F-16 pilots flat out state that a good Turkey driver can handle F-16's because the F-14 doesnt bleed energy nearly as fast in turns thanks to its variable swept wings. And at certain speeds the F-14 actualy increase energy even in turns. If the F-14 was upgraded like it should have been nothing except the F-22 would be able to touch it in the sky.
Cue Tomcat fans right on schedule. First off, I'm former USAF and know/studied the difference in various types of military aircraft. You're talking about whats known as "vortex lift" that acts as an assist when the wings are swept back. The 16 was designed with a leading edge sweep of 40° with a straight trailing edge to improve performance in a wide range of aired maneuvers. The planes strake design also allows it to go slower then normal in a close range fight.
@ViperSRTnACR the f-16 bleeds energy faster and this is a know fact with fixed wing aircraft. You might be former USAF but, you arent former USAF pilot and this is obvious....
And its equally obvious that you've never even served in any service since you have no issue with brow beating others you don't know about their service which by the way had to do with aircraft. On top of which, I'm aware the 14 has a slight advantage if you will in that area due to its design. I say slight because the "bleeding" you're referring is not drastic enough to cause any concern especially with an experienced pilot. The F16's design was designed to optimize vortex lift.
@ViperSRTnACR I know the strake in the F-16 design is designed to help optimize the vortex lift but, it is still a fixed wing aircraft and it will bleed energy faster than the F-14. This is why the F-14 can handle the F-16 beneath 500 mph. And btw you are the one that started on me, calling me a Tomcat fan. The F-14 has more kills than even the F-15 currently, it raped everything in the Iran Iraq war from BVR or WVR.
@ 3:30, I love the way pilots swivel their heads to keep track of the target. I can only imagine their level of focus when they know they have to destroy the thing they are looking at. <3
Question: In the unlikely event a f-16 would need to land on a aircraft carrier, would it be able to do it ? I know they probably have to use the nets and stuff....
@gblueslover2 Its not possible for the f 16 to land on a carrier. the navy would never allow this any ways it would be suicide for the pilot also because the airforce landing gear isn't designed for carrier landings and would have a high chance of breaking on impact, also the f16 does not have a wire catcher like navy aircraft so at near stall speed for the f 16 which is around 150 knots it would not be able to come to a complete stop on the carrier.
@GKris1989 Yeah thanks. I was just posing hypothetical situation where a f 16 pilot would be above the ocean, and absolutely had to land, and a carrier would be in the area. Damn the pilot would have to sea rescued & the aircraft would have to be lifted / salvaged from the water. Tough situation when you think of it.
I can understand the decision to want to phase out the F-14 in favor of the F/A-18E/F due to the number of maintenance hours required on the Tomcat per flight hour. I think though it would have been prudent to however keep at least a squadron or two as the Super Hornet does come up a little short in speed and range. The Super Hornet is however a multi-role fighter but keeping the Tomcat as a dedicated interceptor, which is a rather important task, I think would have been a good choice.
If you enjoy those old movies of hero rushing across field to poke a hand grenade down a tank barrel ... this is the clip for you. lol. Reality: How many Phoenix missles can an F16 successfully dogfight at one time (aka "eat"), in the 80+ miles before it reaches the F-14.
@kacoll3 Depends on the Viper driver, a Iraqi MIG-25 managed to evade around 7 aim-7 and aim-120's fired from a flight of F-15's. The AIM-54 can only pull 5g's I believe. The F-14 was retired because the F-14 maintenance is horrible, and the planes leak various fluids like sieves, not to mention obsolescence. The AIM-54 was meant to shoot down larger strike planes and certain cruise missiles, not fighters. Supersonic long range sea-skimming high-g maneuverable cruise missiles made them obsolete.
@stygianumbra The f-14 was far from obsolete. It still had only few(arguable) equals in the world, those being the f-15, su-27, and some of the new european aircraft. The reason it was retired the first reasons you mentioned about the maintenance. I still disagree with the navy on deciding to develop new f/a-18 variants rather than a much more capable f-14 variant. Im sure the navy would of wanted both, but money doesnt grow on trees.
@TgsMaverick The MIG-31 had a electronically scanned radar that could track more targets further than the F-14 and guide missiles to them, before the tomcat was put into service. They also have their upgraded AA-9 Amos that could match the AIM-54 in range. It also has a data link so it can function as an awacs or hand off targeting data to others in the flight which the F-14 can not do. The problem is newer missiles would love the F-14's HUGE radar and heat signature.
@stygianumbra almost everything you've claimed about the F-14 is wrong. The AIM-54 did a lot more than 5g in tests (it did ~20g in one published test). The F-14 had TADIL C (fighter to fighter link) and in addition to that, the F-14D got Link 16 and ROVER. The AN/APG-71 in the F-14D is closely related to the AN/APG-70 in the F-15E. A lot of this info is available on reliable websites online...
@TgsMaverick Thats a problem with every fighter in its generation true, except the spewing of hydraulic fluid, compressor oil and fuel. With the AIM-54 that was never used , F-18s with AIM-120's are more economical and they have the same capability if not more sans the radar. With AWACS it is irrelevant anyway. It no longer has a proper role with sea skimming high-g supersonic ASW missiles replacing bomber streams and medium-long range radar guided missiles the norm.
The narrator sounds like this video was originally on the History Channel to my ears, anyone know where this video clip came from? Great stuff, always a pleasure to see the Tomcat in action even if A.M.A.R.G. is busy recycling them into tin cans now (SIGH)!
The narrator sounds like this video was originally on the History Channel to my ears, anyone know where this video clip came from? Great stuff, always a pleasure to see the Tomcat in action even if A.M.A.R.G. is busy recycling them into tin cans now (SIGH)!
Just like to make a point that the F-14 is superior at range, but at a great disadvantage in a dogfight. The F-14 also has escape speed over the F-16. That being said the F-14 is vastly more expensive to purchase and maintain than the F-16. The F-16 fills its roll better (Wild Weasel, dog fighter, and light air to mud bomber) than the F-14 can. The F-14 is a better long range missile platform (Greater fuel range, stronger radar system, better long range missile package) than the F-16.
I wouldn't mind them losing to the Vipers, as long as they whipped MiGs assess over Lybia, Iran, and Iraq and taunted the potential adversaries at their doorstep over decades.
@Zergbleeder Depends on the mission. The F14 was designed to fire the Phoenix Missile against targets over 100 miles away in defense of the Naval Fleet it was stationed on. The F16 was meant more as a dog-fighter.
Exactly, the 16 would have never seen HIS DESTRUCTION.
ANYTIME BABY ;-)
BTW, i was on CV64 and AF is our brothers, however, the game goes on.
Qeustion to all those AF Guys. Army is Great, your ancestors and Billy Mitchell RULES. Army told the Navy build Aircraft Carriers and do all the right stuff. Look at history, the Army lead in Aviation and the Navy leads in Space. Funny huh ;-)
@bobbycv64 I never served as I made some bad decisions in my youth. My dad however served 20 years and retired as a Lt. Commander in 1990 as a Helo Pilot. My grandfather served in WW2 as a Wilcat Pilot as well. What I'd give to go back in time... I'd be flying F18's right now. :(
@AgaMbadi You might got a point there. It`ll of course depend on how many F-16s you are shooting 12 Phoenix missiles at. Part of the problem was/is carrier-defence. Half of the carriers fleet of f-14`s did cd-service at least. No problem so far, but when the russian planes fired their cruisers, then what?
The f-14`s would probably take ou 99.9% no doubt.
That`s against "dumb" targets. How about smart f-16 jocks?
Prob. more down to training than aircrafts, but d787`s got a point..
In the real world, I do not think the F16 would win against the F14. The F14 can carry the Phoenix missile, and could shoot down the F16s long before they could be in range to threaten the F14. Even if one F16 did get through and came within weapons range, the F14 with over mach two capability could probably escape. Also the F14 had data link to AWACS and the back seat guy (RIO) has a much better tactical awareness that the solo F16 pilot, in my opinion.
@douglas787 Would be cool to know for sure. In a "clean" dogfight with AIM-9`s and guns only I think it`s 50-50. High mass F-14`s with a two men crew against a low mass F-16 and a single guy in control. Both are made for agility.
In a "pre-planned", long range" fight with airborne early warning and the works, the F-14 may got the edge. The Phoenix missile would be used, but there is a differnce between dumb cruise missiles and a smart F-16 pilot.
@sommif The point I was trying to make was that if the F14 went against the F16, the F14 could shoot down its target long before the F16 could get close enough to use it's weapons. The F14 with Phoenix had a shootdown range of 115 miles, the F16 with Sidewinder only 10 miles, with Sparrow about 25 miles. Also the F14 fully loaded could carry an incredible six Phoenix missiles and the RIO could track 24 planes and engage up to six to shoot down at one time. In a close dogfight, I go 50/50 though.
maybe we should forget about TOPGUN the F14 was designed in the 1960's its now 2010 of course the old girl is out of date and to compare her against the might of the F16 is insane. Bless the TomCAT not the best looker on the block but still has a special place in my heart x
The f14 could shoot down 6 targets with the pheonix missle system.Although not as manueverable it has greater thrust.Actually f18's would be in the fight with f14's backing them up
The f14 could shoot down 6 targets with the pheonix missle system.Although not as manueverable it has greater thrust.Actually f18's would be in the fight with f14's backing them up
@Tomcatsux4ever That's your opinion but not mine. I think the F-14 is one of the best looking planes the U.S. ever produced. And with the exception of the F-22 (which is a badass plane), I'll take the eye pleasing curves of the F-14 F-15 & F-16 anyday over the straight faceted edges of today's planes. Talk about ugly!
@AgentxAnonymous f-15 is a pretty plane i'll give you that, but in my opinion there was just something special about the f-14 that i don't see in any other plane today... it's hard to explain
F-14 isn't quite as maneuverable as F-16, but it isn't a dog either: it could out-turn the MiG-21 1/3 its size.
Of course, the instructor pilot in the F-16 can probably call out "Bingo, Maverick's dead", no matter what Maverick is flying.
milvipes 2 weeks ago
3:55-4:00
definitely not an expert on planes.....anyone know why this aircraft sounds like there is bees buzzing in the background?
unlikelyprodigee 3 weeks ago
i can explain that its the cockpit sound between the f-16 pilot and the f-14 tomcat pilot while dogfighting between each other the other sound is the lock on button when f-16 pilot is locking on the f-14 tomcat the f-16 pilot has won this combat in holland whe have f-16 mlu from Airbase Volkel and Airbase Leeuwarden.Greetings from Holland Piet.
f16piet 3 weeks ago
Col John Boyd is all I say....
stevehislop 1 month ago
@riflebore what happens if the projectiles damage the aircraft? This is really the safest way for pilot and machine
fsxflyer253 2 months ago
I wish there was a way to really simulate projectiles. All they do here is place a lock on or "assume you were hit" with it. I believe with projectiles you can really see if you're hitting the mark. Projectiles tend to have a trajectory and will not easily go in a straight line during a dogfight like here. Evn missiles that can "splash paint" on a dogfight training will help. This way, you don't always assume a hit though there's really no "contact"
Paintball for fighter jet training sort
riflebore 2 months ago
f22 raptor requires 30 hrs. of maintenance for every for every 1hr flying time after 3hrs flying time its grounded for 90hrs maintenance america would run out of planes to fly in a large war
motorguzzi100 2 months ago
English electric lightning from brake release to 45000ft 180 seconds no f14 orf16 can match this this is awesome performance even by today's standards not bad for a 1959 designed plane it also frightened the shit out of american u2 spy plane when it was 8000ft above u2 plane at 88000ft flown by flt ltnt hale this plane beat all jets in the air at this time american and French mirage jets
motorguzzi100 2 months ago
ha ha :\ saints rock
TheXexxo 3 months ago
Probaly just practicing evasive maneuvers?
Jvergakis 3 months ago
this is a fucking joke.. the pilot(f-16) never had a real lock on the tomcat, and the fact that it took so much work to even get the f-14 visible shows how manoeuvrable the tomcat was.. also this wasnt even a dog fight.. it was an f-16 chasing an f-14
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stephane7074 5 months ago
F 14 would fuck someone's world up. Fuck this video lol, I was a jet engine mechanic on the F 14 so Im a little partial to it.
Antihippie24 5 months ago
@Antihippie24 this video is a students vs instructor training session. Experienced Turkey drivers beat F-16's regularly. It has a lot to do with the experience of the pilot and the F-14 should have been upgraded because the SH cant even compete with the D model, leaving our fleets with less protection.
BBEEAANN1 5 months ago
knock knock, whos there, the U.S. Navy has the best Air Force in the world.
aweyzguy1 6 months ago
F-16 is best dogfighter ever .
Russians got nothing to beat this beauty.
ViciousCritique 6 months ago
The F-16 is still in service with the USAF after 30 years and it has been exported to over 20 other nations.
Why?
Because its a formidable fighter and it also performs well in the ground attack role.
In essence when you buy the F-16 you get 2 planes rolled into one.
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I have never seen a fight in a phone booth.
Dakers11 6 months ago
The airplanes are not fighting each other..its skill of the pilot and training.I feel if you put any American fighter pilot in a SU27 or any high end foreign fighter and turn him loose he will still come out on top.Our aircraft cost a lot(Quality over quanity) so our pilots train and train to bring them home safely and to bring home that ;I lost count on how these things are running now....We have some highly trained pilots!!!!
marchdisco77 6 months ago
f14 was never intended for ground attack.F14 was design when the mindset was fr air defense of the fleet and you noticed f18 took a heavy ground attack role...F=fighter,FA= fighter attack
marchdisco77 6 months ago
i Have to uncles in the military each are pilots one flys f-14's the other f-16's. they both say that the f-14 is a 'danger close' weapon while the f-16 is used against other aircraft.
F-16= air attack plane
F-14= ground attack plane
Although they can each do each others job
thunderstrike534 7 months ago
@thunderstrike534
Kid, you're either the worst liar in the world or your uncles are total idiots. The F-14 is a long-range air-to-air interceptor with the ability fill in a secondary role of a dogfighter. The F-16 is a multi-role fighter capable of dogfighting, bombing, and limited CAS of ground forces. The F-14 was used for ground attack only as an improvised bomber in the 1990s when the US Navy was retireing the A-6s. The ground attack role was eventually took over by the F-18 & FA-18
357223308 6 months ago
@thunderstrike534 No F-14s are in service anymore(in the United States). They haven't been for almost 5 years. My brother was in the last Tomcat squadron(VF-31) and was transferred to fly F-18E Super Hornets. The F-14B was modified to F-14D models to carry bombs in the '90s I believe. The F-14 was originally designed to be a long-range interceptor of bombers first, and a dogfighter second. It was designed specifically to defend the carrier fleet by destroying incoming aircraft.
TheOriginalBlazin77 6 months ago
@thunderstrike534 LOL at this post here, most uninformed poster of all times with this shyt here. LOL F14 ground attack plane, just stop it bruh, stop there no more to be said.
onblock7 3 months ago
Ok guys, Technology and what the planes can do does give an advantage, But it really comes down to the skill of the pilot. If you had different pilots in the jets, you would probably get a different outcome. But personaly I would prefer an F-16. :D
LUK3FAULK 7 months ago
first site...first kill!
jetlorider 7 months ago
F-16s all the way!
TurkishHegemony 7 months ago
That's funny,I could have sworn the Navy had at least two combat engagements with their F-14s and the Libyan Air Force in the 1980's and I am also certain that the Iranians had alot more dogfights with their F-14's when they were at war with Iraq during the same time .
Airwolf51534 8 months ago
That's funny,I could have sworn the Navy had at least two combat engagements with their F-14s and the libyan Air Force on the 1980's and I am also certain that the Iranians had alot more dogfights with their F-14's when they were at war with Iraq during the same time .
Airwolf51534 8 months ago
wow so bad ass i was talking to a f16 pilot the other day he was cool
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SpunkyMrWhite 8 months ago
@SaintFieIdmonkeys bitch fuck u. This guy is RACIST TOWARDS EVERYONE EXCEPT WHITE PEOPLE! And I never PM him saying that
GodofSnipers1 8 months ago
F-14 GOT PWND!
GodofSnipers1 8 months ago
These guys are driving the F-16 at 150 kts against tomcats? Thats sure to piss them off.
boresightlock 9 months ago
what is the line at the HUD?
BlazeOutcast 9 months ago
@BlazeOutcast snapshoot line
nakazatoGTR 9 months ago
@BlazeOutcast the line on the hud is where the bullets are projected to hit if the gun were firing, the end of the line is in theory where you want your target to be when you pull the trigger
TheScrumpty 8 months ago
Magdum1000...your comment "avionics aside"...you cannot seperate the aircraft from its weapons or avionics; hence, that is what makes it a weapons platform and not just an aircraft. So, you are correct. In pure manueverability, the F-16 would win but in true A2A with no handicaps...I take the F-14 any day...especially in "Fleet Defense". Over water, the F-16 simply cannot hide and over-the-horizon capabillities of the Phoenix...dead F-16, period.
suaspontetn 9 months ago
Magdum1000...you are wrong. Only the most sophisticated platforms have over- the-horizon capabilities. The YA12 introduced the concept and from that we eventually perfected it with the F-14. The exercise video you are watching actually handicaps the F-14. The purpose of the exercise is to increase the "visiting" pilots A2A capabilities. Had the F-14 not been handicapped it would engage well before the F-16 could even acquire it as a target. I totally agree with precision40.
suaspontetn 9 months ago
the pilot looks so relaxed while flying. I can't imagine flying a jet fighter is really that relaxed! Btw: does anyone know if the F-14's that are taken off service are beeing kept in reserve, or are they scrapped?
Change6609 9 months ago
@Change6609 Scapped so Iran (the only other nation with F-14's) doesn't get hold of spare parts on the black market. The phrase used is 'shredded'.
PaulBassist1 9 months ago
how do you call that little green screen that is used for dogfights ?
maxxbad17 9 months ago
@maxxbad17 hud
siwuszek 8 months ago
As someone said before: Good dogfight comparative.
detectiveinspekta 10 months ago
The 2nd F-14 had one of the instructors in trouble. A good show for the student pilots imho.
heymisterderp 10 months ago
the fact that a long interceptor like the f-14 (WITH ITS HUGE HEAVY ASS) can somewhat hold its own in a dogfight is amazing. so to see it lose to something the size and turning speed of a mosquito is not suprising
CefiroGuy3 10 months ago
Good gawd those F-14 pilots are green. They got murdered hard. Good thing they are in training.
RacerXGTO 10 months ago
@jpondee Obviously. However, that's not the mission of the Adversary Squadron. They will fly the F-16 within the parameters of a MiG-21 to train new students, since most every aggressor nation's Air Force has a MiG-21. For a little more seasoned pilot training, the Aggressor Squadron can fly the F-16 to the parameters of an Su-37 making air combat a definite challenge for the students. It's not about kicking ass as it is sharpening the students skills.
RacerXGTO 10 months ago
They actually aren't Ns. The Ns got old and worn out. They now fly A/Bs that have been refurbed by AMARC.
usafa2000 10 months ago
Remember, the F-14 and the F-16 had very different design philosophies. The F-14 was designed as a fleet defense interceptor, not as a dog fighter. It is a big/heavy plane designed to stay aloft for long patrols and shoot enemies with missles beyond visual range. The fact that it can dogfight as well as it does is astounding! Whereas the F-16 was designed from the start as a dogfighter, not an interceptor. The F-16s took so long to kill the F-14s because they were training the F-14 pilots!
shooter963 11 months ago
@shooter963 I wish people would stop stating that the F-14 wasnt designed as a dog fighter and just and interceptor. The F-14 was designed as a air superiority fighter and an interceptor. Experienced F-14 pilots beat the F-16 on a regular basis. Try looking at the F-14's in the Iran Iraq war where the F-14's were dogfighting against Mig's, Su's and Mirage's. The F-14 lost 3 aircraft to sams, 3 to a2a, while destroying 140 aircraft. Currently the F-14 has a bigger kill count than the F-15.
BBEEAANN1 5 months ago
Contrary to what you saw in the movie "Top Gun" dog-fights are highly scripted before flight, the winner is know because they are playing a scenario. They just don't go up and it's every man for himself. The 14 was never a match for the 16, but the 16 is extremely comparable in performance to most of our adversaries. 1 on 1 against planes like that, the 14 will generally lose everytime.
precision40 1 year ago
@precision40 Exactly, the f14 would have normally used its bvr capability before even getting into guns range with an f16. I mean this is child's play for the f16 pilots.
Fastbikkel 1 year ago 2
@precision40 I thought those f-16's would fly to mimic the performance of a mig-21?
Poseidon500 11 months ago
@precision40 bull shit F-14s attack before most airplanes even see them they really don't dogfight my dad was a F-14 pilot and he never went into a dogfight. Dogfights are a last resort for the F-14. they manly kill you from a distance.
Magdum1000 11 months ago 27
@Magdum1000 No one is debating that fact, the discussion is not about OTH capabilities but 1 on 1 dogfighting ability. Your Daddy the pilot will say the same thing that the 14 is a sloth compared to the 16 and absolutely NO competition for an 15, 18 or 22.
precision40 11 months ago
@precision40 actually the f-14s radar even 1 on 1 would kill all those aside from the f15 which uses a similar if not the same radar. the rest of the aircraft would have to get close in order to take em down. f15s are a beast. mainly due to the bracing for the swing wing design on tomcats, it makes them a little heavier. But, they both used dual pratt n whitney motors on the f15, f16, and alpha tomcats. bravos and deltas turned to GE for engines. but close up... you're right on.
thestrokeds10 9 months ago
@Magdum1000
Got right, but... In most conflicts you've got commands to identyfie enemy aircafts by sight... Just not to make an mistake. (Libian Mig-23's for egzamaple)
dokomana 10 months ago
@Magdum1000 Maybe your Daddy can tell you exactly what P40 said. Avionics capabilities aside and at CLOSE range the 16 will smoke a 14 100% of the time. Were not talking about "over-the-horizon" fighting. Have you ever seen an F14 up close compared to a 16? It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Peterbuilt. The 16 can turn on a dime, the 14 cannot. It's basic aeronautics. The whole "it will kill you before you see it" is babble because every U.S. fighter has that capability now.
midlandflyguy 9 months ago 6
@midlandflyguy Truth
pacotaco1987 9 months ago
@midlandflyguy everyone assumes the 14 is a slow turning aircraft its isnt it has the same radius as a f/a-18d and twice the power of said aircraft its all about the pilot the 16s are flown buy vets of gulf war 1 and bosnia [granted not much dog fighting occurred] but the are familiar with a2a engagements the students are only familiar with theory so of course the 16s would have the advantage but by the end of the course most of the student will have killed an instructor in simulated DFs.
ywe3 9 months ago
@midlandflyguy sir there is a Lt. Col in the NAVY who went to Germany and flew the F-14 vs the MiG-29 and trashed the MiG handily over and over again. It is not the aircraft it is the pilot. This is a training excercise and more than likely the F-14's are being flown by new pilots. You forget we know none of the exercises abjectives or limitations. The F-14 can turn with an F-16 in the 250-300 range. It can hold its own up unitl 500.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 a LT, Col in the NAVY???????????????? really? although a lot of what you say here is not too far off the mark, your first words said here makes you look ridiculous, the navy has no such rank as Lt. Col, however i have had some time in a tomcats cockpit against mig 29's that we purchased from russia in the 1990's and yes i did come out with a very respectable record against them, not as good as i did against f-16's or f/a-18's but it does seem as thought the russians are getting better
TheScrumpty 8 months ago
@TheScrumpty yes well that is what I had read on an aviation forums. Pilots were discussing it. I could not find the exact forum I was reading so either 1. remembered the info incorrectly or 2. they made a mistake with the stated info but, I thought that had sated Lt. Col but, since you are a pilot you then know the correct rank terminology. I just know that the F-14 can hold its own in a dog fight as well as in BVR range.
BBEEAANN1 8 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 His name ???
ViciousCritique 6 months ago
@ViciousCritique Reiterated by "Hoser", "Snort", "Frosty", "Turk" and a myriad of other long-time Tomcat drivers, and proven against German MiG-29's by folks like "Slapshot"). This is taken from a site here "Knight Syndrome" and the F-14 Tomcat Some good info on the site and I got some great info from the book Bye Bye Baby!
BBEEAANN1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Mig-29 isnt real challenge ...MIG is outdated piece of shit . Basically whole Mig series sucks.
ViciousCritique 3 months ago
@ViciousCritique Fascinating analysis. MiG-29 is shit? Keeping up with those Luftwaffe Combat Simulations are you?
Fulcrum's rap has been filled with sub-par middle east pilots. A Fulcrum with a skilled pilot and Archer, is a respected foe, maybe not the best, but respected. I don't care what pilot you are, that is a fact that cannot be denied.
RacerXGTO 3 months ago
@ViciousCritique according to many the MiG-29 can mop the deck with the F-16 and F-15. Many have said the F-14 cannot tangle with the F-15 or F-16 and would be no match for the MiG-29 which, is nonsense because the Turkey has put the beat down on al three fighters. It isnt the plane, it is the experience of the pilot. In the horizontal the F-14 is in a league of its own even now.
BBEEAANN1 3 months ago
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BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
@midlandflyguy the F-14 can turn with an F-16 under 500mph. The F-14 conserves far more energy in turns than an F-16. I guess you dont frequent pilot forums where F-14/F-16 pilots disguss experience Turkey drivers who eat the F-16 up on a regular. The F-14 not only can conserve energy in certain turns but, can increase it. The Turkey was designed as an Interceptor and an air superiority fighter.
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BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 People just love to hate on the 14 and thats al it is! I saw a few 15 pilots on here before saying the F14 is alot more maneuverable than most think it is! I agree it is, but some love to hate like the Cat was nothing and just a long range fighter during the cold war and thats all! I think they are wrong.
onblock7 3 months ago
@midlandflyguy btw there is video on youtube of an F-14 doing a minimal radius turn in the same time as an F-22, something the F-16 cannot do, so much for the F-14 sucking at its ability to turn.
BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 heads just love to hate on that cat, thats all it is man! They want to think it sucks at this or that ir it's just glorified from TOP GUN! The T Cat was a serious weapon and one of it's kind, most will know that if they know the game.
onblock7 3 months ago
@onblock7 yeah, they wouldnt be saying jack if they actually upgraded the F-14 like Grumman could have. Thanks to Dick Chenney who squashed that upgrade because he tried to buy Grumman and they told him to piss off. So now our fleet defense is half of what it was with the F-14 which, is disgusting. The F-14 out flew the F-18 legacy and SH, out gunned it, out ran it and out bombed it(a job the F-18 was designed to do that the F-14 wasnt). It's disgusting people think the F-14 sucks
BBEEAANN1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Whoever things that jet sucks is just an idiot! That jet is legendary as is.
onblock7 3 months ago
@Magdum1000 Yup, very true. F-14s will engage with their phantom missiles from like >30 miles away.
eclipse245 8 months ago
@eclipse245 never heard of a phantom missile, i have heard of the phantom airplane, the f-14 replaced it in the U.S. navy, and it is the only airplane that carried the phoenix missile, but never heard of a phantom missile, but 30 miles targets can be targeted and attacked by the last model of sparrow missile and all of the AMRAAM missile, the phoenix was for very distant targets of more than 75 miles
TheScrumpty 8 months ago
@TheScrumpty Why was I thinking Phantom?!?!?!? yea I meant Phoenix :P
eclipse245 8 months ago
@TheScrumpty F14 carried 6 Phoneix missles...range of 125 miles....aircraft was designed to protect fleet...shoot down USSR Backfire Bombers..........she was a great plane...
BrickTopCT 7 months ago
@TheScrumpty F14 carried 6 Phoneix missles...range of 125 miles....aircraft was designed to protect fleet...shoot down USSR Backfire Bombers..........
she was a great plane...
BrickTopCT 7 months ago
@Magdum1000 ok sure. ask your dad about this though: F-14s (and all navy aircraft for that matter) could not engage an aircraft without visual confirmation that it was an enemy aircraft. completely negating the aim-54 and other beyond visual range weapons systems.
mjm9536 7 months ago
@Magdum1000 You can kill a fighter with phoenix, but with a very low probability. This missle is designed to intercept bombers and anti-ship cruise missles - low maneuvrable targets .
Slavik27 6 months ago
@Magdum1000 well i guess that doesnt always work huh
k2477456 6 months ago
@Magdum1000
Yeah they use the AIM-54 Phoenix for that. Works like an AMRAAM just a loooooong ass range. But in this case they probably used Sidewinders only for training purposes. Thats why they got so close, most likley..
Equilibrium9415 5 months ago
Went mideival on him with the gunshot!
FlightLevelHeaded 1 year ago
@FlightLevelHeaded effective, don't ya think?
sebagato01 1 year ago
FALCON PUNCH!
MiddleEasternBorder 1 year ago
Thats why they call it dissimilar air combat training eh.
falconeaterf15 1 year ago
awesome
libra7195 1 year ago
awesome
libra7195 1 year ago
Well, just goes to show ya, You don't bring a bomber interceptor to a dogfight. ;)
hallis1 1 year ago
@hallis1 its a long range fighter/bomber interceptor notice the fighter part;)
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MAXOU10428 1 year ago
Considering an F16 was designed as an out and out dogfighter and the F14 was designed as a long range interceptor an F16 win is what you'd expect.
ScotswaheyMK2 1 year ago
1:15, Reminded me of playing Ace Combat
speedometer111 1 year ago
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MAXOU10428 1 year ago
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MAXOU10428 1 year ago
Yes, I liked top gun too....but the F14 is a 40 year old design. She was just too slow, and too expensive to maintain combat ready.
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MAXOU10428 1 year ago
no plane could beat the F-14 in a dogfight
KJT922010T 1 year ago
@KJT922010T you just watched an f-16 beat an f-14 in a dogfight.
pyro4002 1 year ago 22
@pyro4002 "Instructors are piloting the F-16, students are in the F-14s" i think the instructors are just way better pilots maybe
masteriansun 10 months ago
@pyro4002 really are u retarded he just said two highly trained instructors vs. 2 students in f-14s the f-16 didnt beat them the topgun instructors did and yes precision40 is right the tomcat is the only plane in the world to carry the aim-54 pheonix a missle capable of downing an aircraft(minimum recorded distance) of 100+ miles away tomcats will take any plane out of the air long before it has a chance to react far beyond its field of vision
WTPchief 7 months ago
@WTPchief
Actually, the F-111B carried the Pheonix as well, seeing it was the weapon system the Pheonix was originally designed for, as was the AN/AWG9 radar. Grumman took all the good points on the F111B and got rid of the weaknesses (like overweight airframe, engine stalling intakes,high tail, poor low speed manoevring to make the f14, but strangely went for a tandem cockpit. The side by side cockpit the f-111 had was adopted because of a specific demand by the USN
JimdiGris1 7 months ago
@pyro4002 Well no shit that F-16 won. 1, the F-16 pilots are INSTRUCTORS, which means that they're probably more experienced than the student Tomcat pilots. 2, F-14's have beaten F-16's many times in mock ups.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 7 months ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x F14 couldnt beat F16 in dogfight.
ViciousCritique 6 months ago
@ViciousCritique You're pretty naive when it comes down to facts and characteristics of dogfighting. I feel sorry for whoever listens to your incorrect bullshit. XD
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 6 months ago
@pyro4002 No, you just watched Instructors in F16's beat Students in F14's. Chances are, you didn't even finish the video, or read the Info.
BattleScarGigantica 6 months ago
@pyro4002 you just watched student pilots get beat by instructors. If you actually listen to the F-16 pilots the second F-14 student gives the F-16 a run for its money. Experienced Turkey drivers eat the F-16 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
BBEEAANN1 5 months ago
@BBEEAANN1
Maybe in the world you live in. The F16 is a smaller, lighter aircraft allowing it more maneuverability and te upgraded models have even more range. Pair that up with an experienced pilot and its a hard plane to beat. I'm not saying the 16 is perfect but in THIS situation it has the upper hand with an experienced pilot. Or better yet, get an F22 up there with some long range missiles and don't worry about dog fighting.
ViperSRTnACR 4 months ago
@ViperSRTnACR Obviously you dont talk to many pilots or visit aviation forums where F-16 pilots flat out state that a good Turkey driver can handle F-16's because the F-14 doesnt bleed energy nearly as fast in turns thanks to its variable swept wings. And at certain speeds the F-14 actualy increase energy even in turns. If the F-14 was upgraded like it should have been nothing except the F-22 would be able to touch it in the sky.
BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
@BBEEAANN1
Cue Tomcat fans right on schedule. First off, I'm former USAF and know/studied the difference in various types of military aircraft. You're talking about whats known as "vortex lift" that acts as an assist when the wings are swept back. The 16 was designed with a leading edge sweep of 40° with a straight trailing edge to improve performance in a wide range of aired maneuvers. The planes strake design also allows it to go slower then normal in a close range fight.
ViperSRTnACR 4 months ago
@ViperSRTnACR the f-16 bleeds energy faster and this is a know fact with fixed wing aircraft. You might be former USAF but, you arent former USAF pilot and this is obvious....
BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
@BBEEAANN1
And its equally obvious that you've never even served in any service since you have no issue with brow beating others you don't know about their service which by the way had to do with aircraft. On top of which, I'm aware the 14 has a slight advantage if you will in that area due to its design. I say slight because the "bleeding" you're referring is not drastic enough to cause any concern especially with an experienced pilot. The F16's design was designed to optimize vortex lift.
ViperSRTnACR 4 months ago
@ViperSRTnACR I know the strake in the F-16 design is designed to help optimize the vortex lift but, it is still a fixed wing aircraft and it will bleed energy faster than the F-14. This is why the F-14 can handle the F-16 beneath 500 mph. And btw you are the one that started on me, calling me a Tomcat fan. The F-14 has more kills than even the F-15 currently, it raped everything in the Iran Iraq war from BVR or WVR.
BBEEAANN1 4 months ago
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GelandnaleG 1 year ago
@ 3:30, I love the way pilots swivel their heads to keep track of the target. I can only imagine their level of focus when they know they have to destroy the thing they are looking at. <3
killaonmoco 1 year ago
F-14: 2 WINS
F-16: ZERO
Skybolter 1 year ago
@Skybolter Your so dumb the f-16 shot down both f-14 in this training set up dumb ass. ALL 2 F-14 GOT SHOT DOWN .
N1cholas240 1 year ago
@N1cholas240 Ok, i respect that but maybe you don't see this but, the F-14 was designed for air superiority that's why how can beat an F-16
Skybolter 1 year ago
Question: In the unlikely event a f-16 would need to land on a aircraft carrier, would it be able to do it ? I know they probably have to use the nets and stuff....
gblueslover2 1 year ago
@gblueslover2 doesnt have the proper gear to land that hard on a carrier so no
resources:i asked a pilot
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@gblueslover2 Its not possible for the f 16 to land on a carrier. the navy would never allow this any ways it would be suicide for the pilot also because the airforce landing gear isn't designed for carrier landings and would have a high chance of breaking on impact, also the f16 does not have a wire catcher like navy aircraft so at near stall speed for the f 16 which is around 150 knots it would not be able to come to a complete stop on the carrier.
GKris1989 1 year ago
@GKris1989 Yeah thanks. I was just posing hypothetical situation where a f 16 pilot would be above the ocean, and absolutely had to land, and a carrier would be in the area. Damn the pilot would have to sea rescued & the aircraft would have to be lifted / salvaged from the water. Tough situation when you think of it.
gblueslover2 1 year ago
@GKris1989
I think it actually has a catch hook. Whether the undercarriage can take the blow is a different matter, though.
WindmillStalker 1 year ago
I can understand the decision to want to phase out the F-14 in favor of the F/A-18E/F due to the number of maintenance hours required on the Tomcat per flight hour. I think though it would have been prudent to however keep at least a squadron or two as the Super Hornet does come up a little short in speed and range. The Super Hornet is however a multi-role fighter but keeping the Tomcat as a dedicated interceptor, which is a rather important task, I think would have been a good choice.
Tenom1 1 year ago
Is the peper the tiny circle???
FoxyGrandpaFTW 1 year ago
@FoxyGrandpaFTW pipper and yes
Tenom1 1 year ago
Is the pepper the tiny circle?
FoxyGrandpaFTW 1 year ago
f 14 is super,better then f16
rodapuma 1 year ago
If you enjoy those old movies of hero rushing across field to poke a hand grenade down a tank barrel ... this is the clip for you. lol. Reality: How many Phoenix missles can an F16 successfully dogfight at one time (aka "eat"), in the 80+ miles before it reaches the F-14.
kacoll3 1 year ago
@kacoll3 Depends on the Viper driver, a Iraqi MIG-25 managed to evade around 7 aim-7 and aim-120's fired from a flight of F-15's. The AIM-54 can only pull 5g's I believe. The F-14 was retired because the F-14 maintenance is horrible, and the planes leak various fluids like sieves, not to mention obsolescence. The AIM-54 was meant to shoot down larger strike planes and certain cruise missiles, not fighters. Supersonic long range sea-skimming high-g maneuverable cruise missiles made them obsolete.
stygianumbra 1 year ago
@stygianumbra The f-14 was far from obsolete. It still had only few(arguable) equals in the world, those being the f-15, su-27, and some of the new european aircraft. The reason it was retired the first reasons you mentioned about the maintenance. I still disagree with the navy on deciding to develop new f/a-18 variants rather than a much more capable f-14 variant. Im sure the navy would of wanted both, but money doesnt grow on trees.
TgsMaverick 1 year ago
@TgsMaverick The MIG-31 had a electronically scanned radar that could track more targets further than the F-14 and guide missiles to them, before the tomcat was put into service. They also have their upgraded AA-9 Amos that could match the AIM-54 in range. It also has a data link so it can function as an awacs or hand off targeting data to others in the flight which the F-14 can not do. The problem is newer missiles would love the F-14's HUGE radar and heat signature.
stygianumbra 1 year ago
@stygianumbra almost everything you've claimed about the F-14 is wrong. The AIM-54 did a lot more than 5g in tests (it did ~20g in one published test). The F-14 had TADIL C (fighter to fighter link) and in addition to that, the F-14D got Link 16 and ROVER. The AN/APG-71 in the F-14D is closely related to the AN/APG-70 in the F-15E. A lot of this info is available on reliable websites online...
okisoba 1 year ago
@TgsMaverick Thats a problem with every fighter in its generation true, except the spewing of hydraulic fluid, compressor oil and fuel. With the AIM-54 that was never used , F-18s with AIM-120's are more economical and they have the same capability if not more sans the radar. With AWACS it is irrelevant anyway. It no longer has a proper role with sea skimming high-g supersonic ASW missiles replacing bomber streams and medium-long range radar guided missiles the norm.
stygianumbra 1 year ago
4:50 the yahoo rang loud and clear lol
maloo1984 1 year ago
Cool Vid... There's no better kill than a guns kill...
AviatorGuy 1 year ago
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The narrator sounds like this video was originally on the History Channel to my ears, anyone know where this video clip came from? Great stuff, always a pleasure to see the Tomcat in action even if A.M.A.R.G. is busy recycling them into tin cans now (SIGH)!
FlightDreamz 1 year ago
The narrator sounds like this video was originally on the History Channel to my ears, anyone know where this video clip came from? Great stuff, always a pleasure to see the Tomcat in action even if A.M.A.R.G. is busy recycling them into tin cans now (SIGH)!
FlightDreamz 1 year ago
Just like to make a point that the F-14 is superior at range, but at a great disadvantage in a dogfight. The F-14 also has escape speed over the F-16. That being said the F-14 is vastly more expensive to purchase and maintain than the F-16. The F-16 fills its roll better (Wild Weasel, dog fighter, and light air to mud bomber) than the F-14 can. The F-14 is a better long range missile platform (Greater fuel range, stronger radar system, better long range missile package) than the F-16.
jeresaun99 1 year ago
@jeresaun99 what about a xx1 century tech version of the f14?
MIGUEL2005LIMA 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind them losing to the Vipers, as long as they whipped MiGs assess over Lybia, Iran, and Iraq and taunted the potential adversaries at their doorstep over decades.
Batu731 1 year ago
lol took him awhile to target the f-14 just showing the superiority of the f-14
steven4rmnewyork 1 year ago
@steven4rmnewyork
F-16 would smoke a F-14 any day..
Zergbleeder 1 year ago
@Zergbleeder Depends on the mission. The F14 was designed to fire the Phoenix Missile against targets over 100 miles away in defense of the Naval Fleet it was stationed on. The F16 was meant more as a dog-fighter.
JustinStrife 1 year ago
@JustinStrife
Exactly, the 16 would have never seen HIS DESTRUCTION.
ANYTIME BABY ;-)
BTW, i was on CV64 and AF is our brothers, however, the game goes on.
Qeustion to all those AF Guys. Army is Great, your ancestors and Billy Mitchell RULES. Army told the Navy build Aircraft Carriers and do all the right stuff. Look at history, the Army lead in Aviation and the Navy leads in Space. Funny huh ;-)
bobbycv64 1 year ago
@bobbycv64 I never served as I made some bad decisions in my youth. My dad however served 20 years and retired as a Lt. Commander in 1990 as a Helo Pilot. My grandfather served in WW2 as a Wilcat Pilot as well. What I'd give to go back in time... I'd be flying F18's right now. :(
JustinStrife 1 year ago
12 Phoenix missiles = 2 dead F-16's.
AgaMbadi 1 year ago
@AgaMbadi You might got a point there. It`ll of course depend on how many F-16s you are shooting 12 Phoenix missiles at. Part of the problem was/is carrier-defence. Half of the carriers fleet of f-14`s did cd-service at least. No problem so far, but when the russian planes fired their cruisers, then what?
The f-14`s would probably take ou 99.9% no doubt.
That`s against "dumb" targets. How about smart f-16 jocks?
Prob. more down to training than aircrafts, but d787`s got a point..
sommif 1 year ago
In the real world, I do not think the F16 would win against the F14. The F14 can carry the Phoenix missile, and could shoot down the F16s long before they could be in range to threaten the F14. Even if one F16 did get through and came within weapons range, the F14 with over mach two capability could probably escape. Also the F14 had data link to AWACS and the back seat guy (RIO) has a much better tactical awareness that the solo F16 pilot, in my opinion.
douglas787 1 year ago
@douglas787 shut up faggot and stop pretending to know shit.
oh and German race is master race.
ilias2oo6 1 year ago
@douglas787 Would be cool to know for sure. In a "clean" dogfight with AIM-9`s and guns only I think it`s 50-50. High mass F-14`s with a two men crew against a low mass F-16 and a single guy in control. Both are made for agility.
In a "pre-planned", long range" fight with airborne early warning and the works, the F-14 may got the edge. The Phoenix missile would be used, but there is a differnce between dumb cruise missiles and a smart F-16 pilot.
I`ll go for half and half.
Take care
sommif 1 year ago
@sommif The point I was trying to make was that if the F14 went against the F16, the F14 could shoot down its target long before the F16 could get close enough to use it's weapons. The F14 with Phoenix had a shootdown range of 115 miles, the F16 with Sidewinder only 10 miles, with Sparrow about 25 miles. Also the F14 fully loaded could carry an incredible six Phoenix missiles and the RIO could track 24 planes and engage up to six to shoot down at one time. In a close dogfight, I go 50/50 though.
douglas787 1 year ago
@douglas787 Yeah. I`ll probably go for your thing. The F-14 was an awesome adversary. See your point.
Perhaps a good thing we never find out all the time both planes are manufactured in the US. Alltough there are some Iranian F-14`s still flying.
And there are a wedge between the two called F-15.
My best
sommif 1 year ago
F-14 is an ugly useless piece of shit
Tomcatsux4ever 1 year ago
@Tomcatsux4ever why dont you just better fuck off you piece of shit -_-
grove4mylife 1 year ago
Incredible...............Top Gun?
MYYOU47 1 year ago
maybe we should forget about TOPGUN the F14 was designed in the 1960's its now 2010 of course the old girl is out of date and to compare her against the might of the F16 is insane. Bless the TomCAT not the best looker on the block but still has a special place in my heart x
davenoddy 1 year ago
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The f14 could shoot down 6 targets with the pheonix missle system.Although not as manueverable it has greater thrust.Actually f18's would be in the fight with f14's backing them up
gwoove 1 year ago
The f14 could shoot down 6 targets with the pheonix missle system.Although not as manueverable it has greater thrust.Actually f18's would be in the fight with f14's backing them up
gwoove 1 year ago
F-14 is ugliest piece of shit ever to fly the skies. Of course it will lose to the F-16
Tomcatsux4ever 1 year ago
@Tomcatsux4ever That's your opinion but not mine. I think the F-14 is one of the best looking planes the U.S. ever produced. And with the exception of the F-22 (which is a badass plane), I'll take the eye pleasing curves of the F-14 F-15 & F-16 anyday over the straight faceted edges of today's planes. Talk about ugly!
vodude 1 year ago
@vodude F-14 doesn't have curves. In fact, it has the faceted edges that you mentioned. So youre saying the F-14 is ugly which is true. LOL
Tomcatsux4ever 1 year ago
@vodude I couldn't agree more bud, the Tomcat was beautiful...not sure if we'll ever see such a nice lookin plane again
Giants2082 1 year ago
@Giants2082 The answer is easy. Just look at an F15! LOL
AgentxAnonymous 1 year ago
@AgentxAnonymous f-15 is a pretty plane i'll give you that, but in my opinion there was just something special about the f-14 that i don't see in any other plane today... it's hard to explain
Giants2082 1 year ago
boringggggg
370ownz 1 year ago
"Bingo, Maverick's dead."
"The Department of Defense regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid, great ball of fire!"
milvipes 1 year ago