Keep on peaching Bro. the voice of God must be heard throughout the world. Be strong and courage, in the Lord, and He will be with you always. We love you in Christ, Pray fo us and the city of Bucaharest, that God will awake this city, and bless our unworthy labours. For we are the voices that cry out in the wildernness. that people will hear. they that are of God will hear the message and turn to Jesus Christ. We bless you from Romania. Iuliana and alexandru.
Faith isn't knowing, it's believing. If it were different, it wouldn't be called faith. Having faith means you believe something to be true even when there isn't any proof that it is true. So it is possible to have faith in something that is actually false. That's pretty much the nature of religion in general.
All people exercise faith when it comes to origins. But faith is only as good as the object of faith. I know God by faith. He has revealed Himself to me and we have a relationship. He answers my prayers. Sometimes He says yes sometimes He says no. He guides my life and I interact with Him. So yes I know God and that He exists just like I know my mother.
@openairevangelism Science is and had been proven, "I know my wife is going to say 'I love you' when I come home" that's just an educated guess because she is your wife. The reason why people believe the things in history books is because it never mentions anything as fairytale like as bringing people back from the dead, turning water to wine, walking on water, talking snakes and many more.
@greenodonata I tried to re watch this guy but there must be something wrong with my computer because the tape keeps stopping. But the little I saw of him just now shows me that he has some preaching talent. In other words It was a long time ago when I made this post and I don't remember totally how I arrived at the conclusion that I did.
These kinds of people probably relates to university students. No insult intended and none was given.
Has anyone wih any sense realised that all this ancient biased twisted pahetic attemp ot scary any happy inidiidual into following a barbaric book. that was written by alcoholic and murderers. Gte a grap, or even lithium, becuse you are deluded, pity god didn't change ur shirt. LIke really get laid, an take som dugs, then welcome to life.. we're here ti live, no t mourne life. god u make me sick
I hope all is well with you and that you will have a good day. I see God differently than you. He transformed my life and has given me new life. Before I knew Him I was deluded by sin and narcissism. Now I have been healed into my right mind and am no longer controlled by sin.
Institutional Christianity's zeal for God is based on Calvinism/Augustine doctrine of original sin.Its a shame that both this doctrine and political socialism removes personal freedom and responsibility. Powerful people inside religious institutions and civil governments want power and control over people both for profit and a uncontrollable drive for tyranny. Calvinism/Augustine doctrine wants and created doctrine to cripple and deceive the mass'es into believing they cannot willingly be good!
How can there hear without a preacher? How can they here if no one is sent? Faith comes by hearing. Rom 10:14
That is how God draws sinful depraved men. We are his hands and feet. If no one is sent. Then no one will come. God does call men. "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me" John 12:32. God is not willing that any man should perish. We have to love the Word of God and souls more than Seminary Theological terms or doctrines of men.
That is not my hope for you but if you continue in your rebellion towards God you will get what you deserve. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." But you cannot see this because your blinded by your sin.
I do not wish you any harm but you have a twisted view of what the Scriptures teach. Satan is not helping God do anything. He is opposed to God and since you are opposed to God you are on the same side. Also You and Satan have no power to do anything to subvert God's sovereign rule. You will bow in humble repentance or you will burn in the fires of God's judgment for eternity.
Satan was working up a lather trying to smother God's message. That in itself is a proof of the authenticity of the Gospel. If you had been preaching or teaching ANY other religion or doctrine or science, you would have had a fuller much more attentive audience. Satan is the author of confusion. God bless you for your faith and bravery in the face of adversity. We are to provoke one another unto good works. Glory to God. Pray for this brother and his family.
It is always effective because God gives the increase. Salvation comes through the foolishness of the message preached. God honors the proclamation of His word. So whether I plant water or reap I can trust the sovereign Lord to accomplish His purposes.
Prove that love exists scientifically then. Prove that right and wrong exists scientifically. Science is limited to the realm of what can be observed. Thus you cannot account for immaterial things that we all know exist. No amount of denying that is going to change the facts. God is the source of all things I can account for all things through Him.
Love is an expression of emotions. We have them due to our working brain, which is called our mind. You really, really need help. There is no evidence of any god, yet you believe in one. That's called having an imaginary friend. Aren't you too old for imaginary friends?
In order to say that there is no God you would have to process the attributes of God. You would would have to be all-knowing and have complete knowledge about the universe of seen and unseen things. You would have to be everywhere present and able to search the whole universe and beyond at the same time. You would have to be all-powerful to be able to do those things. Are you God? Are you the measure of right and wrong?
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
Please look up the definition of "logic" on the dictionary website, and stop asking such ridiculous questions. I didn't say calling people names proves anything, it's just me showing my intolerance for ignorance.
You are dodging the question. Can you prove that the laws of logic exist scientifically? Why is there such venom in your response? Calling things ridiculous and ignorant does not prove anything.
The question you ask is not meaningful. Logic exists because we can think and rationalize. That's why I asked you to look it up. I don't even know why you're asking me that question anyhow. I don't see the relevancy within the context of this video. I don't need to call something ignorant for it to be such. I show it to be.
Yes, the only way to know about the Universe is via science. I say there is no god because there is no evidence for one. It's a magical "thing" that we know nothing about. It's just an idea we created. It's not real. There's nothing showing it's real - so we SHOULD dismiss it.
Then why are you trying to appeal to the laws of logic something that cannot be observed or measured (The scientific method) to say that the only thing you can know is that which can be observed or measured. Stop borrowing from my world view. My world view accounts for immaterial things that we all know exist yours does not.
Logic is not a "thing" that needs to be proven. It's a way that we reason in order to know about the world we live in. If you don't know this, you really shouldn't be debating with anyone, unless you just want to try and obfuscate. Your "worldview"? I go by reality. You have created a virtual reality.
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If not then you are using nothing to reason with and then I should not listen to you anymore because you cannot use something that does not exist. If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe.
wow. Ok. Logic is our ability to understand the Universe. It's not a "tangible thing", ok? I'm teaching you basic stuff here. Your attempt at obfuscation has failed.
Exactly logic cannot be touched, tasted or smelled yet we all know that the laws of logic exist. If the scientific method is the only means by which one can know things as you assert than you cannot account for any of the things that we all know exist in the abstract world like love and hate, morality, and logic. Your world view does not comport with the real world in which we live. It is incomplete and convenient for one who does not want to be accountable to God.
open, logic is a way of using reason. I already told you it is not a physical "thing". Love is a description of our emotions. You have a lot to learn about this. There is no reason to think there is any god.
. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
To say that science is limited to what we can learn makes no sense, since the word science means "to know". Right, how can we know anything that we have no evidence of? You really make no sense at all.
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
open, you still don't seem to get it. Logic is a particular method of reasoning and argumentation. It exists because WE have the ability to reason. It's not a physical "thing" that requires evidence. I don't see why we are discussing this, anyhow. You should go to a class.
No you do not get it you said, ""the only way to know about the Universe is via science." Again for the fifth time science is the discipline of observing and measuring things. Logic cannot be observed or measured yet we all use it to reason. You are the one that said the only way we can know about the universe is through science. You cannot even account for logic. I think that you do not understand the argument.
open, No, we don't use logic to reason. We use reason to use logic. Science means "to know". You really seem very, very confused.. even though I've explained things in a very simplistic manner. I really think you should seek more professional help that can relay it in retardese for you.
Science is only good for learning about the physical world so you are raising a straw man argument. In your world does logic exist or not? You are the one who said that the only way we could know things is through science. That would discount the use of logic which you cannot account for with your atheistic world view. I am finished with this discourse until you acknowledge that the laws of logic exist and that it they cannot be proven scientifically.
There is no god, you're right. It's an expression of my lack of belief. It's the most sane position to have. Since we lack evidence for a god, the most logical position is to be without belief.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
open, give it up.. no amount of preaching will get you anywhere. You're still just trying to convince people of some stupid story that we made up ages ago. Give it up. You lost.
For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
You have to prove there is a god. Unless you can do that, your babble is not worth listening to. You're the one with the positive assertion, so you must back it up. Failure to do so ends this conversation.
I have answers you simply choose to reject the answer God has given and you will be held accountable for all the truth that you are suppressing in unrighteousness because you love your own way and place yourself in the place of the Almighty. I would not want to be in your shoes on judgment day. I hope you repent and trust Christ so that you will not have to face God's wrath for all eternity.
No god gave me any answers. You tried to. You aren't a god. Until you can get a god to do anything, then up yours. I don't care for your fantasy land. You're an idiot.
I can feel the kindness that not believing in God gives you. You must have real joy and peace in your life. I hope all is well with you and want to say that I do not see disagreement with someone as a reason for not being kind to another person.
I do have joy and peace. My utter contempt for believing in things which aren't real is beneficial to mankind. Your beliefs in a god are evil. Rationalism is good. Atheists are generally better people than believers, you can be sure about that.
So what do you do when people have a difference of opinion on what is beneficial to mankind? You are wrong about atheism. For example, Stalin and chairman Mao, were atheists.
"Atheism is more healthy for you. Anything else is lying to yourself." Thats only your opinion.
Fascism is the belief your ideology has merit, and all others are derisive, and justifies your being hateful & bigoted.
Christianity goes to the very core of a persons identity, to show contempt for it is to show contempt for the person. You have no right to judge a persons faith, because that is their very being, only their morality (that which interacts with others within a society).
It's not just my opinion. It's fact. It's more mentally healthy to follow what's real then live in delusion. Don't need an opinion for that.
Fascism has to do with government. I'm not a government.
"very core of a persons identity"? What the fuck does that mean? O_o I have every right to judge a belief if it's expressed and incorrect. You bet! Morality is not from delusional beliefs. My gosh man.
Who are you to determine what beliefs are correct or not? this is your arrogance and bigotry.
You misuse christian teaching. You dont understand what it teaches or why. Fascism exists on the society level. Seeing as the state is a construct of society you get fascistic government as well.
You see no God in nature, I do. You see religion as delusional, I see your opinions as fascistic.
havock, not just my opinion, man. It's bad to have delusional beliefs. It's healthy to live in reality. You can't deny this. The difference here is that you think your virtual reality *IS* reality. That's the problem.
I know more about Xianity than you do.
You might interpret the world around you as entailing this imaginary friend of yours, but it's just an interpretation. No evidence.
Ok, first my christianity is rooted in reality. Only my belief in God is an article of faith. If there were no utility to it I would not continue in my beliefs. I have not always been a believer. I have experienced the world through atheistic and deistic eyes. I have personal experience to validate my belief. There is very little doubt in my mind, and I am better of through my knowledge of God.
havock, there is no evidence of any god, so to say that xianity is "rooted in reality" really doesn't make any sense. You really aren't making much sense when you talk. Sticks don't turn into snakes, people don't walk on water.. I mean the list goes on. Yet you think xianity is "rooted in reality"? You are a sad case indeed.
Christianity is the teachings of the church, they are the authoritative body. You are not a member of those august bodies. I have been taught by them, and you haven't. Your unschooled dude.
Evidence can be used to prove any position if you are imaginative or desperate enough. An environment where only evidence has merit yet truth does not exist: Law Courts.
You havent pwned anyone. Your opinion is not authoritative, your just blowing smoke!. You have been hoisted on your own pertard, son.
havock, xianity is not authoritative. You have been taught what? To believe in a lie and not question it? Your only way to defend it is to just stomp your feet and say it's real? I know a lot more about it than you do.
You have no evidence of any god.
I have pwned you in this debate, and I will continue to do such. I'm an atheist, and a very well educated one at that. You'll never win against a competent atheist in a debate - because you support imaginary friends and we do not.
"havock, xianity is not authoritative" that is a blatant lie. You just stomp your feet and bleet "its not true!
Pwnd me? You have done no such thing. your general level of education is not debated. I am well educated too. Stop arguing from authority.
I have never offered any evidence for God. that is a strawman. i disagree with everything you have said, your arguments have no merit and are replete with strawmen and self refuting statements. 90% of the world agrees with me. I am happy. BYE!
havock, xianity is a stupid religion that's based on fictional characters.
Saying I have no argument, when you have not been able to point out any invalid arguments by me that we have concluded is not logical, is a very stupid thing to say.
Saying that others agree with you doesn't assist you in you being right.
In order to say that there is no God you would have to process the attributes of God. You would would have to be all-knowing and have complete knowledge about the universe of seen and unseen things. You would have to be everywhere present and able to search the whole universe and beyond at the same time. You would have to be all-powerful to be able to do those things. Are you God? Are you the measure of right and wrong?
open, no, I wouldn't. I can say there is no god because I'm without belief in one. As long as I'm without belief in one, I can say there is no god. Simple. No evidence for it, so I'm in the most logical position. You need an education.
If you didn't hear me the first two times, you won't hear me the rest. You are stubborn and set in believing in your imaginary friends in the sky. You're a brainwashed idiot.
The only thing you know how to do is dodge questions and call people names. These tactics would never stand in a formal debate and you would have been disqualified for your lack of tact and answers.
open, I call you an idiot because you show to be. I didn't dodge anything - I answered your question. You failed to acknowledge the answer. You can't even enter a debate. YOu have no argument. YOu lose.
I'm already somewhere "in reality". Nice incoherent babble you've got goin' on there! I'm in reality, you're in the virtual dream world with your silly gods. *roll eyes*
Belief does not make something true. God exists whether you believe in Him or not. You pride yourself on logic yet you have demonstrated that you cannot account for it in your atheistic world view and you steal from the Christian world view when you appeal to logic. On top of that your arguments are illogical.
open, hahah you just said belief does not making something true! You're right! But THEN you go ahead and say your god exists whether you believe in it or not! Yet, it doesn't exist, so you can't make it exist just by BELIEVING in it! Take your own advise. :) I own you in logic bro. You've been pwnt.
True God's existence does not depend on my faith in Him He exists whether I believe in Him or not. You have faith in the unproven theorytale of evolution a theory erected by a man angry with God. My faith is in the eternal all knowing God.
open, You can believe it exists all you want. Doesn't mean it does. It's just a concept we created that exists only within your mind. Evolution is a fact. It contains theories, but it is science. You are very uneducated. You are gullible and ignorant.
open, I *DID* account for logic. You're the idiot that has selective listening skills. You assume your argument worked, when I blew it away. Yet you continue as if you didn't hear me, and think you're making a point. You failed before. You lose, remember?
Keep on peaching Bro. the voice of God must be heard throughout the world. Be strong and courage, in the Lord, and He will be with you always. We love you in Christ, Pray fo us and the city of Bucaharest, that God will awake this city, and bless our unworthy labours. For we are the voices that cry out in the wildernness. that people will hear. they that are of God will hear the message and turn to Jesus Christ. We bless you from Romania. Iuliana and alexandru.
alexandrugriorescu 10 months ago
Good preaching. Thanks for posting.
signsandwonders 1 year ago
Faith isn't knowing, it's believing. If it were different, it wouldn't be called faith. Having faith means you believe something to be true even when there isn't any proof that it is true. So it is possible to have faith in something that is actually false. That's pretty much the nature of religion in general.
DathanielTDK 2 years ago
All people exercise faith when it comes to origins. But faith is only as good as the object of faith. I know God by faith. He has revealed Himself to me and we have a relationship. He answers my prayers. Sometimes He says yes sometimes He says no. He guides my life and I interact with Him. So yes I know God and that He exists just like I know my mother.
openairevangelism 2 years ago
@openairevangelism Science is and had been proven, "I know my wife is going to say 'I love you' when I come home" that's just an educated guess because she is your wife. The reason why people believe the things in history books is because it never mentions anything as fairytale like as bringing people back from the dead, turning water to wine, walking on water, talking snakes and many more.
18randa 1 year ago
Great job brother!! This takes a lot of guts and this brother has the wisdom and has been well-equipped for his task. To God be the glory. AMEN!
WOMsteve 2 years ago
This preacher has the ability to be able to communicate with these kinds of people.
Let me listen to this guy who is better than a church steeple
paulwilfridhunt 2 years ago
"These kinds of people"
What kinds of people would that be, paulwilfridhunt?
greenodonata 1 year ago
@greenodonata I tried to re watch this guy but there must be something wrong with my computer because the tape keeps stopping. But the little I saw of him just now shows me that he has some preaching talent. In other words It was a long time ago when I made this post and I don't remember totally how I arrived at the conclusion that I did.
These kinds of people probably relates to university students. No insult intended and none was given.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
truth
Spacmath 2 years ago
How ca you prove what you are saying?
Have you seen God face to face????
roberes34 2 years ago
God's Spirit is inside me. He is my LORD. His attributes are clearly seen in His amazing creation.
openairevangelism 2 years ago
That's it?? ok
roberes34 2 years ago
no man has ever seen the face of God and lived
we are not holy enough to see God yet.
have you ever seen picasso
or michaelangelo
??
SpcMedia21 2 years ago
picasso is not a subject for cult and convincing people of something, your example is out of place.
roberes34 2 years ago
AMEN BROTHER!!! Preach it!
hastetheday20 2 years ago
Very good job openairevangelism
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
P.S. it's West Virginia University, not University of West Virginia.
ahazelwo44 2 years ago
Has anyone wih any sense realised that all this ancient biased twisted pahetic attemp ot scary any happy inidiidual into following a barbaric book. that was written by alcoholic and murderers. Gte a grap, or even lithium, becuse you are deluded, pity god didn't change ur shirt. LIke really get laid, an take som dugs, then welcome to life.. we're here ti live, no t mourne life. god u make me sick
cuteirishlad 2 years ago
I hope all is well with you and that you will have a good day. I see God differently than you. He transformed my life and has given me new life. Before I knew Him I was deluded by sin and narcissism. Now I have been healed into my right mind and am no longer controlled by sin.
openairevangelism 2 years ago
Those who follow Jesus have joy and peace that transcends this world. Why are you so angry?
feisdancemd 2 years ago
Anyone else notice that this guy sounds like Al Bundy from the 90's T.V. sitcom "Married with Children"?
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
God bless you. It still does not take away from the truth spoken.
openairevangelism 2 years ago
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Institutional Christianity's zeal for God is based on Calvinism/Augustine doctrine of original sin.Its a shame that both this doctrine and political socialism removes personal freedom and responsibility. Powerful people inside religious institutions and civil governments want power and control over people both for profit and a uncontrollable drive for tyranny. Calvinism/Augustine doctrine wants and created doctrine to cripple and deceive the mass'es into believing they cannot willingly be good!
openairpreacher 2 years ago
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How can there hear without a preacher? How can they here if no one is sent? Faith comes by hearing. Rom 10:14
That is how God draws sinful depraved men. We are his hands and feet. If no one is sent. Then no one will come. God does call men. "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me" John 12:32. God is not willing that any man should perish. We have to love the Word of God and souls more than Seminary Theological terms or doctrines of men.
God Bless
Danny.
simplydannygirl 3 years ago
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simplydannygirl 3 years ago
That is not my hope for you but if you continue in your rebellion towards God you will get what you deserve. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." But you cannot see this because your blinded by your sin.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
I do not wish you any harm but you have a twisted view of what the Scriptures teach. Satan is not helping God do anything. He is opposed to God and since you are opposed to God you are on the same side. Also You and Satan have no power to do anything to subvert God's sovereign rule. You will bow in humble repentance or you will burn in the fires of God's judgment for eternity.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Satan was working up a lather trying to smother God's message. That in itself is a proof of the authenticity of the Gospel. If you had been preaching or teaching ANY other religion or doctrine or science, you would have had a fuller much more attentive audience. Satan is the author of confusion. God bless you for your faith and bravery in the face of adversity. We are to provoke one another unto good works. Glory to God. Pray for this brother and his family.
Used2bBlue 3 years ago
I just wanted to know if anyone came up and talked to you afterwards.
curly1229 3 years ago
How effective was this?
curly1229 3 years ago
It is always effective because God gives the increase. Salvation comes through the foolishness of the message preached. God honors the proclamation of His word. So whether I plant water or reap I can trust the sovereign Lord to accomplish His purposes.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
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jesus is a bastard
mary was a whore
god is nonexistent
the evidence is poor
DrScarystien 3 years ago
keep on preaching the truth of God. God Bless you.
RonRoeRen 3 years ago
Faith is only as good as your object of faith. Your faith is in the finite flawed ever changing theories of man.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Thats a good way of putting it.
havock89 3 years ago
Prove that love exists scientifically then. Prove that right and wrong exists scientifically. Science is limited to the realm of what can be observed. Thus you cannot account for immaterial things that we all know exist. No amount of denying that is going to change the facts. God is the source of all things I can account for all things through Him.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Love is an expression of emotions. We have them due to our working brain, which is called our mind. You really, really need help. There is no evidence of any god, yet you believe in one. That's called having an imaginary friend. Aren't you too old for imaginary friends?
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
In order to say that there is no God you would have to process the attributes of God. You would would have to be all-knowing and have complete knowledge about the universe of seen and unseen things. You would have to be everywhere present and able to search the whole universe and beyond at the same time. You would have to be all-powerful to be able to do those things. Are you God? Are you the measure of right and wrong?
openairevangelism 3 years ago
You said:
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
What a dumbass.
We don't know anything via "faith".
And the word "science" means "to know", so how can he say we can't "know all things", if science is what we use to know everything? O_o Idiot.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
I hope all is well with you today. Prove that logic exists scientifically. Calling people names proves nothing.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Please look up the definition of "logic" on the dictionary website, and stop asking such ridiculous questions. I didn't say calling people names proves anything, it's just me showing my intolerance for ignorance.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
You are dodging the question. Can you prove that the laws of logic exist scientifically? Why is there such venom in your response? Calling things ridiculous and ignorant does not prove anything.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
The question you ask is not meaningful. Logic exists because we can think and rationalize. That's why I asked you to look it up. I don't even know why you're asking me that question anyhow. I don't see the relevancy within the context of this video. I don't need to call something ignorant for it to be such. I show it to be.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Do you believe that the only way that things can be proven is through the scientific method? You say there is no God, why?
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Yes, the only way to know about the Universe is via science. I say there is no god because there is no evidence for one. It's a magical "thing" that we know nothing about. It's just an idea we created. It's not real. There's nothing showing it's real - so we SHOULD dismiss it.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Then why are you trying to appeal to the laws of logic something that cannot be observed or measured (The scientific method) to say that the only thing you can know is that which can be observed or measured. Stop borrowing from my world view. My world view accounts for immaterial things that we all know exist yours does not.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Logic is not a "thing" that needs to be proven. It's a way that we reason in order to know about the world we live in. If you don't know this, you really shouldn't be debating with anyone, unless you just want to try and obfuscate. Your "worldview"? I go by reality. You have created a virtual reality.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
You said:
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If not then you are using nothing to reason with and then I should not listen to you anymore because you cannot use something that does not exist. If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
wow. Ok. Logic is our ability to understand the Universe. It's not a "tangible thing", ok? I'm teaching you basic stuff here. Your attempt at obfuscation has failed.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Exactly logic cannot be touched, tasted or smelled yet we all know that the laws of logic exist. If the scientific method is the only means by which one can know things as you assert than you cannot account for any of the things that we all know exist in the abstract world like love and hate, morality, and logic. Your world view does not comport with the real world in which we live. It is incomplete and convenient for one who does not want to be accountable to God.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, logic is a way of using reason. I already told you it is not a physical "thing". Love is a description of our emotions. You have a lot to learn about this. There is no reason to think there is any god.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
To say that science is limited to what we can learn makes no sense, since the word science means "to know". Right, how can we know anything that we have no evidence of? You really make no sense at all.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
You said:
"the only way to know about the Universe is via science."
Is logic something in the universe? If so prove that it exists scientifically. Your world view (naturalistic evolution) cannot account for all things in the universe. Please know I love science it is just limited in what we can learn through it. Those that hold to naturalistic evolution like you assert that only things that can be observed or measured can be known.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, you still don't seem to get it. Logic is a particular method of reasoning and argumentation. It exists because WE have the ability to reason. It's not a physical "thing" that requires evidence. I don't see why we are discussing this, anyhow. You should go to a class.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
No you do not get it you said, ""the only way to know about the Universe is via science." Again for the fifth time science is the discipline of observing and measuring things. Logic cannot be observed or measured yet we all use it to reason. You are the one that said the only way we can know about the universe is through science. You cannot even account for logic. I think that you do not understand the argument.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, No, we don't use logic to reason. We use reason to use logic. Science means "to know". You really seem very, very confused.. even though I've explained things in a very simplistic manner. I really think you should seek more professional help that can relay it in retardese for you.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Science is only good for learning about the physical world so you are raising a straw man argument. In your world does logic exist or not? You are the one who said that the only way we could know things is through science. That would discount the use of logic which you cannot account for with your atheistic world view. I am finished with this discourse until you acknowledge that the laws of logic exist and that it they cannot be proven scientifically.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
You say that there is no God as if you were the ultimate authority in the universe yet you are finite.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
There is no god, you're right. It's an expression of my lack of belief. It's the most sane position to have. Since we lack evidence for a god, the most logical position is to be without belief.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, give it up.. no amount of preaching will get you anywhere. You're still just trying to convince people of some stupid story that we made up ages ago. Give it up. You lost.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Preaching is stupid. Don't do it.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
They why are you preaching atheistic doctrine to me?
openairevangelism 3 years ago
Atheism doesn't have doctrines. It's not a belief of any kind. It's a lack of belief. You are ignorant.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
OK then prove that all organisms are related scientifically. Prove that nature created the universe without God.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
You have to prove there is a god. Unless you can do that, your babble is not worth listening to. You're the one with the positive assertion, so you must back it up. Failure to do so ends this conversation.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
You cannot answer my friend.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
You sure don't have any answers.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
I have answers you simply choose to reject the answer God has given and you will be held accountable for all the truth that you are suppressing in unrighteousness because you love your own way and place yourself in the place of the Almighty. I would not want to be in your shoes on judgment day. I hope you repent and trust Christ so that you will not have to face God's wrath for all eternity.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
No god gave me any answers. You tried to. You aren't a god. Until you can get a god to do anything, then up yours. I don't care for your fantasy land. You're an idiot.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
I can feel the kindness that not believing in God gives you. You must have real joy and peace in your life. I hope all is well with you and want to say that I do not see disagreement with someone as a reason for not being kind to another person.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
I do have joy and peace. My utter contempt for believing in things which aren't real is beneficial to mankind. Your beliefs in a god are evil. Rationalism is good. Atheists are generally better people than believers, you can be sure about that.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
On what basis do you call something "good" or "evil?"
openairevangelism 3 years ago
haha trust me, good and evil exists without your imaginary god. Always has! GOod and evil is based on the benefit or determent of mankind.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
So what do you do when people have a difference of opinion on what is beneficial to mankind? You are wrong about atheism. For example, Stalin and chairman Mao, were atheists.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
People who hold contempt for so many other people (ie 90% of the world) cant have joy and peace. You are lying to yourself.
Atheists are just athesits, they are certainly not better people. Add fascism to your list of faults dude.
havock89 3 years ago
havock, I hold contempt for religion, not people.
I have a lot of joy and peace.
I don't have to lie to myself.
Atheism is more healthy for you. Anything else is lying to yourself.
Where you got fascism is beyond me.
YOu're lost.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
"Atheism is more healthy for you. Anything else is lying to yourself." Thats only your opinion.
Fascism is the belief your ideology has merit, and all others are derisive, and justifies your being hateful & bigoted.
Christianity goes to the very core of a persons identity, to show contempt for it is to show contempt for the person. You have no right to judge a persons faith, because that is their very being, only their morality (that which interacts with others within a society).
havock89 3 years ago
It's not just my opinion. It's fact. It's more mentally healthy to follow what's real then live in delusion. Don't need an opinion for that.
Fascism has to do with government. I'm not a government.
"very core of a persons identity"? What the fuck does that mean? O_o I have every right to judge a belief if it's expressed and incorrect. You bet! Morality is not from delusional beliefs. My gosh man.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
No its your opinion. I have the opposite opinion.
Who are you to determine what beliefs are correct or not? this is your arrogance and bigotry.
You misuse christian teaching. You dont understand what it teaches or why. Fascism exists on the society level. Seeing as the state is a construct of society you get fascistic government as well.
You see no God in nature, I do. You see religion as delusional, I see your opinions as fascistic.
You got a real attitude problem mate. Chiao.
havock89 3 years ago
havock, not just my opinion, man. It's bad to have delusional beliefs. It's healthy to live in reality. You can't deny this. The difference here is that you think your virtual reality *IS* reality. That's the problem.
I know more about Xianity than you do.
You might interpret the world around you as entailing this imaginary friend of yours, but it's just an interpretation. No evidence.
I will freakin pwn you in any debate, son.
..like I just did.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
LOL your very smug.
Ok, first my christianity is rooted in reality. Only my belief in God is an article of faith. If there were no utility to it I would not continue in my beliefs. I have not always been a believer. I have experienced the world through atheistic and deistic eyes. I have personal experience to validate my belief. There is very little doubt in my mind, and I am better of through my knowledge of God.
havock89 3 years ago
havock, there is no evidence of any god, so to say that xianity is "rooted in reality" really doesn't make any sense. You really aren't making much sense when you talk. Sticks don't turn into snakes, people don't walk on water.. I mean the list goes on. Yet you think xianity is "rooted in reality"? You are a sad case indeed.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Christianity is the teachings of the church, they are the authoritative body. You are not a member of those august bodies. I have been taught by them, and you haven't. Your unschooled dude.
Evidence can be used to prove any position if you are imaginative or desperate enough. An environment where only evidence has merit yet truth does not exist: Law Courts.
You havent pwned anyone. Your opinion is not authoritative, your just blowing smoke!. You have been hoisted on your own pertard, son.
havock89 3 years ago
havock, xianity is not authoritative. You have been taught what? To believe in a lie and not question it? Your only way to defend it is to just stomp your feet and say it's real? I know a lot more about it than you do.
You have no evidence of any god.
I have pwned you in this debate, and I will continue to do such. I'm an atheist, and a very well educated one at that. You'll never win against a competent atheist in a debate - because you support imaginary friends and we do not.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
"havock, xianity is not authoritative" that is a blatant lie. You just stomp your feet and bleet "its not true!
Pwnd me? You have done no such thing. your general level of education is not debated. I am well educated too. Stop arguing from authority.
I have never offered any evidence for God. that is a strawman. i disagree with everything you have said, your arguments have no merit and are replete with strawmen and self refuting statements. 90% of the world agrees with me. I am happy. BYE!
havock89 3 years ago
havock, xianity is a stupid religion that's based on fictional characters.
Saying I have no argument, when you have not been able to point out any invalid arguments by me that we have concluded is not logical, is a very stupid thing to say.
Saying that others agree with you doesn't assist you in you being right.
YOu're an idiot.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
In order to say that there is no God you would have to process the attributes of God. You would would have to be all-knowing and have complete knowledge about the universe of seen and unseen things. You would have to be everywhere present and able to search the whole universe and beyond at the same time. You would have to be all-powerful to be able to do those things. Are you God? Are you the measure of right and wrong?
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, no, I wouldn't. I can say there is no god because I'm without belief in one. As long as I'm without belief in one, I can say there is no god. Simple. No evidence for it, so I'm in the most logical position. You need an education.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Where did logic come from? Did it spring up out of nowhere? What is your basis for logic? Did chaos and chance create logic and the universe?
openairevangelism 3 years ago
If you didn't hear me the first two times, you won't hear me the rest. You are stubborn and set in believing in your imaginary friends in the sky. You're a brainwashed idiot.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
The only thing you know how to do is dodge questions and call people names. These tactics would never stand in a formal debate and you would have been disqualified for your lack of tact and answers.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, I call you an idiot because you show to be. I didn't dodge anything - I answered your question. You failed to acknowledge the answer. You can't even enter a debate. YOu have no argument. YOu lose.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
No, you have not you are impressed with yourself but that will get you nowhere in reality. You are in a dream world.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
I'm already somewhere "in reality". Nice incoherent babble you've got goin' on there! I'm in reality, you're in the virtual dream world with your silly gods. *roll eyes*
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Belief does not make something true. God exists whether you believe in Him or not. You pride yourself on logic yet you have demonstrated that you cannot account for it in your atheistic world view and you steal from the Christian world view when you appeal to logic. On top of that your arguments are illogical.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, hahah you just said belief does not making something true! You're right! But THEN you go ahead and say your god exists whether you believe in it or not! Yet, it doesn't exist, so you can't make it exist just by BELIEVING in it! Take your own advise. :) I own you in logic bro. You've been pwnt.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
True God's existence does not depend on my faith in Him He exists whether I believe in Him or not. You have faith in the unproven theorytale of evolution a theory erected by a man angry with God. My faith is in the eternal all knowing God.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
open, You can believe it exists all you want. Doesn't mean it does. It's just a concept we created that exists only within your mind. Evolution is a fact. It contains theories, but it is science. You are very uneducated. You are gullible and ignorant.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Where is the "missing link?"
openairevangelism 3 years ago
The thing that's supposed to be between your ears? Been missing awhile, it seems.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
We will see on judgment day.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
There will be no judgment day because there is no god and you're a fruitcake.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
God bless you.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
There is no god to bless anything.
You're gullible.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Hope all is well with you.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
It sure is.
And I don't need a god for that!
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
open, I *DID* account for logic. You're the idiot that has selective listening skills. You assume your argument worked, when I blew it away. Yet you continue as if you didn't hear me, and think you're making a point. You failed before. You lose, remember?
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
You are a legend in your own mind.
openairevangelism 3 years ago
d.a.z.e.y.c.u.t.r. = "Displaying anointed zeal explaining your christian understanding that's real"
Acronym77 3 years ago
awesome brother
dazeycutr 3 years ago