What is he on about a different gospel in corinth etc? Does he have any evidence? no. Then he states its earlier than matthew mark and Luke, any evidence? no. Paul claiming my gospel.
I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. galataians 1 1-2.
yeshua is not yahweh they are two seperate word dont make them to be thesame why are you knowing misguiding people the muslim guy gave the correct translation
Mohammed could not get followers when he spoke peacefully. So he did it with force and succeeded. Thats why the later over rules the beginning of Islam or abrogation. Mohammed was not a profit for if you read it and sharia law and the other books it sounds like a control freak and greedy person with lusts that were not the norm of the time, so he said god said ok to marry a 6 year old and consumate at 9 years old. There is nothing in history of any other leader doing that. Islam is mafia of man
I disagree strongly that Islam depicts a "merciful" God. Over and over Qur'an says Muslims are to "fight" with unbelievers - until they become Muslims. If they refuse, they are to be beheaded. Doesn't sound like a merciful God to me.
@fwfassett Good point - well lets here a muslim answer this then? Come on muslims, why is the Quran so hostile to Christians and Jews ( regarded as "unbelievers" or "kaffiir" in Islam) ? Explain this hostility if the Quran is right, why does it need to instruct hostility to others?
No, that is what people are telling you. Mercy is expressed far more in the Quran than anything else. And you miscontrue certain terms and phrases to mean violence. For example, 'jihad' (which apparently now means 'terrorist') refers to a struggle-nothing violent. People have connotatively attached violent associations with terms that mean to bring peace. By reading about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and his life, certain versus become clearer. The Prophet was VERY peaceful.
@StationQM4T - No my opinions about what the Qur'an says are based on my reading the entire Qur'an. It is very contradictory on Jews and Christians. Says it admires and respects "people of the Book" but then insults them and their holy Bible - claiming the Bible is corrupted. And then it calls all non-Muslims "infidels". What if I said I love and respect Muslims and their holy book - but their holy book is full of corruption and so are their beliefs? Mohammad spread Islam with the sword.
That is not a contradiction. First of all, you can admire someone for certain reasons while simultaneously disputing them. For instance, I admire you for your almost civil candor. But don't get me wrong... I disagree with you whole-heartedly. Secondly, I hope you can see the irony in what you're telling me (What if I told you...blah blah blah banter- when you are basically telling me that exactly!).
Thirdly, you obviously read the Qur'an in English biasly (since you had preconcieved notions and judgements prior to your "discovery"). When I read the Bible, the Qur'an and the Torah, I found all three books to offer interesting insight because I wanted to read them to learn from them and not so I can tear them apart.
Lastly, just because Mohammad was forced to spread some of his message by the sword (was attcked by others), he said "the pen is mightier than the sword" for a reason.
@StationQM4T - No one "forced' Mohammad to spread his religion by the sword. Just because he decided to fight non-believers doesn't mean he was forced. That is one of the many differences between Judaism and Christianity versus Islam. We don't believe the love of God/Jesus should be forced. And "the pen is mightier than the sword" is not a quote from Mohammad. Surely you don't believe he said that. If so, you need more education.
@fwfassett First of all, yes, yes he did. Second of all, when people physically attack you for believing in a religion, it is not your fault. And unless you want to die, you must defend yourself. And don't bs me... don't pretend that Judiasm and Christianity are different in that regard. In what way are they different? If someone came at you with a knife, would you help them jab it further into your spleen?
@StationQM4T - Big difference between defending yourself and attacking someone else. I would not defend myself against someone who is attacking me with a knife - I have no training to do that and someone of a different religion seldom attacks another in my or any other civilized country. Mohammad was not a godly man. Jesus could have called down 10,000 angels to defend Him, but didn't. He chose to die to pay for the sins of the world - so believers could live eternally with Him.
@fwfassett Nobody's attacking anybody! Violence is expressed far less in the Qu'ran than in the Bible or the Torah just FYI because you have serious prejudice. I cannnot believe you're actually writing what you're writing. Btw, Mohammad could have also asked for angels but was repeadedly attacked for his beliefs. He never wanted to hurt anybody. In fact when he was banned from the practice of pilgrimage, instead of fighting, he comrpomised and negotiated a deal where the terms were ridiculous.
@faithbyloving - John 14:6.. Jesus claimed to be the ONLY Way to God. He was either a liar, a lunatic, or exactly what He claimed - Savior of the world. He knew that was the purpose of His birth before He laid aside His glory and came in the body of a little helpless baby.
A correction to the muslim debater here - Yeshua or Joshua, does NOT mean "he is saved". The correct meaning and translation of Yeshua = "The Lord is Salvation" or "Yahweh is Salvation" (Hebrew yhôûa', Yahweh (is) salvation; see hwy in Semitic roots). Therefore, Jesus had his name to mean that HE IS SALVATION, not "he is saved"!! There is a subtle BUT VERY PROFOUND DIFFERENCE ! Please get it right!!
@faithbyloving : I'm sorry but there is a difference between "The lord is salvation" and "the LOrd's salvation" :-), For me, the second meaning is the correct one.
@swiftspy Well you can change the meaning of Yeshua if you want to, but I can categorically assure you that that is NOT the meaning of Yeshua. Yeshua means "Yahweh is salvation". This means that ONLY the God of the Jews is Salvation. No other name is given for Salvation except Yahweh or Elohim. Matthew 1:21 explains the meaning of his name: "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), BECAUSE HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."
@faithbyloving not fot nothing but its eloh- im the plural of respect is the word im the word for god is eloh. sound like Allah . im is the plural of respect not he part of gods name .
@MrTurk0001 You're correct friend: Elohim is the plural of 'god', the 'im' being the plural. However, where you are mistaken friend is that the word El is 'god' singular. The 'oh' part results from the addition of Hebrew vowels put between the El and the im. This is why the name Israel - the 'El' on the end simply means 'god'. Notice that there is no 'oh' on the end of Israel & this is because no vowel is needed. If Israel had to be plural, we would then add the 'oh' in between: "Israelohim"
@MrTurk0001 However, Allah is not related to YHWH either by language or by character & certainly not by religion. It is essential to realise that there is no relationship between the muslim god 'Allah' & the Hebrew God YHWH. The truth is that these two actually OPPOSE EACH OTHER. They say different things in each 'holy book'. They have different AIMS in each book. They god in DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS in each book. There is NO relationship between them. One says Christ crucified the other not!
@MrTurk0001 The muslim understanding of scripture is immature in that he has misread and misunderstood the Bible. Few if any muslims know or understand the Bible. Most THINK they understand it, but NONE do. Most think they can criticise the Bible and find all faults with it so that they can dismiss it and say it is not God's Word, but the truth is in doing this they are making fools of themselves before God, whose word is not revealed to them.
@arzermey Hello friend. re "even your chistian scholar believe bible corrupted" - my Christian scholar is F.F. Bruce. He does NOT believe the scriptures are "corrupted". Read his book, "The Canon of Scripture". Also read another scholar, Richard Bauckham's book called "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses" - it will overturn your presumptions! However, the quran is a corrupted gospel of a heretical christian sect - that I am absolutely sure of.
@arzermey re "the problem is i already know bout islam n chistian aswell" - it doesn't sound like you do. You may "think" you do, but from your comment it is clear that you know very little about Christians and their faith. For example, I always pray DIRECT to YHWH and He has already shown me the right path and that is YESHUA. Secondly, I don't have a "priest" because I am one. All believers are priests. We do not "pray by your priest" - this has nothing to do with me.
@arzermey Thirdly the "guidelines" you speak of are the Bible, which if you read and believe and ask Yeshua Messiach to be your Lord and Saviour, you will be saved from the destination of Hell which you are currently travelling towards, right now.
i dont mean to be arrogant, but who ever learn and understand islam,, it is impossible to us to deny the truth my prophet had teach except by been a hypocrite,
then how can someone who dont know islam much like u can perverting a muslim,
believe in one god and not trinity, trinity was brought by roman pagan
@arzermey My friend, you have a great deal to learn! "Hypocrisy" is making out to be something or do something you aren't. You are not a 'hypocrite, you are simply misinformed & have been misled by a false gospel called the quran. The problem is that your 'prophet' denied the truth, himself & this was his great sin! He denied the truth of Yeshua the Messiah. He denied the Father and the Son and by this denial the Bible defines him as of the Anti-Christ or spirit of antichrist. - 1 John 2:22
@arzermey 1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. " - this is the definition of antichrist.
@arzermey Friend, a muslim cannot be 'perverted' by a Christian. A muslim has already allowed an ungodly spirit to possess him. The only thing that a Christian can do is to rebuke the unclean spirit in the muslim and command it to leave him.
I'm not interested in a trinity. This is man's attempt to try to understand the nature of God, but God cannot be defined mathematically like that. To try to define God mathematically is to engage in foolishness.
@arzermey Friend, sorry if I have offended you by anthing I have said. I do not intend to offend you, but I have to speak the truth to you or I will be condemned by God. Please don't take it personally.
god have no begining and no end, he is not the same as anything in this world, he is the highest in everything, the most merciful and loving, most forgiving and most knowledgeable, i guess there is many muslim have told u what is the true christian suppose to be and what is corrupted in christian religion, but the choice is yours, Allah gifted to u a brain to think,
@arzermey YHWH is Eternal, my friend. However for the sake of humanity to understand, he also describes Himself as Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end. re "he is not the same as anything in this world" - that's why we can't "count Him"! However, one thing you must understand friend, is that Almighty and Holy YHWH created Everything by his own hands. He has ABSOLUTE authority over Everything, whether in Heaven or on Earth. We CANNOT tell YHWH what He can or can't do! He can do ANYTHING!
what? what u do u mean he has begining and ending? god has begining and ending? sorry, we muslim dont believe such thing like that,
I 'm not creating those statement of what Allah should be,(forgiving etc) but it is writen in noble koran of what Allah's characteristics, and we muslim also believe to Allah the most feared.
@arzermey Typical muslim response, my friend. You perhaps don't understand English very well, but that is not what I said. You will need to read my comment again. Here is what I said "FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY TO UNDERSTAND, he also describes Himself as Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end". Man has a beginning and an End. Man understands this concept. Man does NOT understand Eternity or no beginning and no end. For these reasons YHWH described Himself as Alpha and Omega.
@arzermey I've already explained this to you. Refer to my previous answer. At this point I am not going to add anything to this until you have correctly understood what I have written. sorry.
@arzermey You know friend, if you make that kind of mistake understanding my English comment which was actually quite simple to understand, you are going to have a very hard time indeed trying to understand the Bible! The Bible is far far more complex and far deeper and more complex than the Quran. The Bible will make no sense to you, unless you can find the understanding of it with the help of God.
@arzermey re "...sense god can create a human without a father?" - The Quran makes the error of confusing Creation with Reproduction. They are 2 different processes. The Creation of Adam has NO SIMILARITY (or 'similtude') with the Reproduction of Jesus. Adam was created 'an Adult Man'. Jesus conceived and then grew to be a feotus and then born as a natural baby to grow to be a man. These are TOTALLY DIFFERENT! God created the male chromosomes to pair with Mary's for conception to happen
God created Adam without a human father, as a fully grown Adult.
However, in the case of an unborn baby that grows to become a man, this tells us that the conception itself was a miracle caused by God, but that the rest of the growth of the baby was normal and natural.
@arzermey If you ever start to read the Bible in Hebrew, you will find that it's depth is far deeper than anything in the Quran and its meaning is astounding. The Bible has prophecies in it that are going to affect EVERY MUSLIM NATION ! You have no idea at all, what the Bible contains!!
@arzermey My friend, if YHWH decides to appear in the Heavens we cannot command Him not to. If He decides to appear coming out of the ocean, we cannot tell Him he 'can't do it'! If He decides to appear as a Huge Voice, we cannot tell Him that he can't do it! If He decides to appear in the form of the Son of God, who are you to tell Him that He is 'not allowed to do it'? Only a fool tries to order YHWH or tries to tell Him that He the Maker of Heaven and Earth is not allowed to do something!!
because of his power, he will not show his self as a human, do u think a god have a same standard like human? can live and die, and temptated by satan(as what writen in bible)
but by his power, he can make a virgin born a baby without a father, creating a HUMAN without a father.
@arzermey You see friend your 'doctrine' says as a muslim that Almighty God must be restricted by the doctrine of man is nothing but foolishness! You know friend, you will face Yeshua when you die! Did you know that? Everyone will face Yeshua Messiach. You will give account of your life to Him. He will ask you, friend, why you crucified Him? There will be no point in you denying that you did! He has seen everything about you in your life, every word, every action & even every thought!
@arzermey You cannot argue with a Holy God who has the power to send you to Hell for eternity! He has Absolute power and Absolute control. There is nothing hidden from Him. Those muslims who have passed into Eternity before you, have learned this DIRECTLY! They found themselves trying to explain to the Lord Jesus Christ, why they as representatives of mankind are guilty of executing and crucifying Jesus Christ.
@arzermey It was too late for them, they could not repent because they had believed the lie that Islam had told them in Sura 4:157, that Jesus had not been crucified, but this is a lie from the throne of satan. There is also absolutely no historical basis for this verse whatsoever. It is simply a lie from satan in your 'holy book'!
re "Allah gifted to u a brain to think" - no what you call "Allah" has nothing to do with me and he has never 'given' me anything. Only the Creator can do that.
@arzermey re "muslim have told u what is the true christian suppose to be " - no muslim has any idea about what a Christian is or is supposed to be. No muslim has this knowledge because it is revealed only to the Faithful who have repented of their sin and received the Lord Jesus Christ in total submission to The Creator YHWH. Regarding anything "corrupted" in Christian religion, you have more than enough to concentrate on the corruption of your own religion!
the noble koran is promised can't be cprrupted by the hand of human, and it is,, where ever u go and read the noble koran, the word is still the same, it may translated to many language but the original of arabic version will never be changed and in muslim ppl there is some of then who can memorize the whole noble -koran.
different with your bible,many contradiction between one bible version with another, and your christian scholar also claim there is no ORIGINAL version of bible
@arzermey That would be starting a very big subject and one which probably neither you nor I have the expertise to address, unless we are paleography experts. However the study would need to investigate the following:
1) the original sources of the Quran's verses
2) the accumulation and compilation
3) the editing of the Quran which took place 70 yrs after Mohammed died, by muslim scribes
4) the 1000 different versions of the Quran which were supposed to have been burned by Caliph Utthman
what Caliph Utthman done is standarizing the way to recite the noble koran, this is just like a phonetic by adding a sign in each letter, this does not change even a single letter,
@arzermey re Caliph Utthman - The oldest Quran found hidden behind a wall at the Great mosque in Sana, is NOT the same Quran that you hold in your hand today. You are correct in that it does not have vowel markings, as it was called a pampliset which in the original Arabic did not have vowel markings. When you translate these words without vowels, they can have up to 30 different meanings! Also whole chapters and verses were in different order.
1) The Quran that is published today is not the original quran as the evidence indicates.
2) Even if the Quran was 'perfectly' the 'original quran', because its contents are false and it contains lies about the Biblical characters, Moses, Abraham and Jesus, it doesn't matter how many people memorise the same lies, they will always be the same lies, they will never become true!
1) it is original, that is the promise of Allah, and it is,, still the same for 1400, (unlike bible with many contradiction from a version to others)
2)quran is the perfect book, the best arabic literature ever exist(admited by arabic infidel at my prophet time) moreover, it also contain scientific information and scientist aprove it after 1400 years,
@arzermey 1) it isnt. 2) it isn't perfect if it tells untrue things about the characters in the Bible. The so called 'scientific information' actually contains a lot of errors that are embarassing to Islam. For instance it says that sperm comes from a man's back! Mountains stop earthquakes! The sun sets in a muddy pool, etc, etc.
It also claims that Jesus mother Mariam is the sister of Aaron, the brother of Moses, 1000 years earlier than Jesus! All these errors & more are in quran
it is u who define it in your way(or evil blog u google it), make your own research by read back the statement and compare it in the noble qyran by read the whole sura, it is normal for those infidel and evil bloger to taking out of content something in noble-koran,
@arzermey You can find them yourself if you have a quran. I didn't need to google or blog, because I remembered these and many more from my memory. Another one is that quran claims that in reproduction, the bones of the foetus grow first and then they are covered by the flesh - this is totally biologically error.
@arzermey re "scientist who is appove it, then your scientist convert to islam," - no scientist has approved it, because is written in the Quran about feotus growth is error. It is wrong and therefore no scientist can approve what is an error. Yet Allah didn't know how a feotus grows?? Perhaps because he never made one? Or perhaps because Allah received his education from the ancient Greeks who also just happened to think the same things that are written in the Quran about reproduction?
@arzermey re "every human have a different finger print" - friend, when a person dies, they will find themselves before the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ will ask them to put their finger into the holes in his hands and side that they have caused. Then Christ will look at them, not at their finger print, but right inside their heart to see if it has the print or shape of YHWH there, but if it has not, they will be taken away to an eternity of darkness.
dont worry, we muslims believe in jesus and his teach, we believe he was a messenger of Allah just like other prophets before him, he will save a ppl in judgementday, a ppl at his times who follow the right path of his teach, every past prophets can perform miracle, solomon can control a devil and understand animal language, moses can divide a sea and walk throught it and jesus miracle is born without father, muhammad pbuh supreme miracle is the noble koran.
@arzermey re "we muslims believe in jesus and his teach, we believe he was a messenger of Allah just like other prophets before him" - but that is not what the Quran says! Which of the "other prophets" are a "spirit proceeding from Him (Allah)" ? Yet the quran says Jesus is NOT at all like the other prophets: see Sura 19:19
@arzermey 4:171 "0 People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion; nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, and A SPIRIT PROCEEDING FROM HIM" - but which of the prophets was a 'spirit proceeding from Allah'? A spirit proceeding from God has to be of the SAME spirit as the one sending him & MUST BE HOLY. However, Mohammed said in the Hadith Bukhari 569 that 'all sons of Adam are sinners'
@arzermey How then can the creation of Jesus be like that of the creation of Jesus, when Adam was created from dust, but Jesus wasn't; Adam was a sinner, but Jesus was a spirit proceeding from God and was Holy?
There is no 'similtude' in this as the quran incorrectly says. Instead it is a contradiction which cannot be answered.
@arzermey Look friend, I don't want to give you a hard time, because you may end up with a rough ride with me and it is not my intention to offend you. I don't like offending anyone and although you are a muslim, as far as I am concerned, you are the neighbour the Christ tells me to love.
God bless you and your family for now. It's late and I'm going to sleep now. Good night.
@arzermey There's nothing failing here. It isn't about failing. It is about Fact. This documentary was made by academics not believers of any religion. It is being studied because it revealed what may be the oldest quran in the world. This is because of a drawing of a certain mosque on the cover, which dates the quran to a very early period. Because there are two texts on the manuscript the one underneath rubbed out being the original and the one written over it, the translation...
i told u before and why u are not axcept it, no ideas? but it is at utman time the koran is recorded in a single book with a sign to standarizing and guide reader to reciting it, this book cant be corrupted because many ppl memorizing it from times to times, the video just telling that it may have many translation, but dont mention the noble koran is contradicted. it is impossible this book have a contradiction.
@arzermey With all respect to you friend, as there were 1000 different qurans in Utthman's day and there are sill 1000 different qurans today somewhere in Yemen, who is to say which version is the 'correct one'?
Even so, the quran today is shown to be unreliable because it has corrupted the stories of Abraham, Moses, Isaac and Jesus. This means that as these are untrue stories, the quran cannot be trusted as a message from God.
1000 different qurans??? this is funny, so where is all the ppls who can memorized this book? 1000 different qurans that is just too funny, but for your information, regarding to 9/11, many ppls tried to read the koran and expected to know how evil islam are,, then after they read this book and they realize the true of noble koran and convert to islam,, Allah gift them a guideness as they seek for true,
@arzermey re the 1000 different translations of the Quran - these were said to exist at the time of Utthman and also approximately the same number of different translations of the quran were discovered hidden behind a wall in a mosque in Sana, Yemen.....were they the same 1000? who knows?
@arzermey re "we have many ppl who memorized the whole noble koran" - friend it doesn't matter if a billion people have memorised the Bhagavad Gita, it does not make it true. So even if every muslim in the world memorised the whole of the quran, it cannot change its errors or make its contents changed to be right! The fact is that it has perverted the stories of Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jesus, "re-inventing" the stories of their lives by lying! It doesn't matter if you memorise it!
memorized mean to remember each word in your mind, it is not like bible where it is copied from a translation to another where many mistake may occur plus some would like to change the content of bible to satisfied their greed,
dont worry, this book of noble koran is remembered by many muslims from my prophet time until now, this ppl is called as as-tahfiz,
@arzermey A reliable Bible is not translated from a previous version - instead it is translated directly from the earliest manuscript sources! You should know this!
@arzermey The really interesting thing about the Dead Sea Scrolls friend, is that what has been discovered is that there has been no change to the text or message of the Old Testament manuscripts for at least 2000 years. This means that the very same manuscripts which Jesus knew, recited and memorised (supposed to be Isa in your Quran) and which he preached from, are the same text that from which Bible's like the New International Version are translated.
@arzermey In fact, when the New Internation Version (NIV) was translated, the translators used the Dead Sea Scrolls that were available in the translation. So this actually shows that the muslim's claims that the manuscripts have been 'changed' is actually false, since Jesus or Isa, approved them and of course for you, since Mohammed approved Isa and the message which he preached, this means that Mohammed also confirmed the truth of the manuscripts which Isa taught from.
@arzermey There are a few passages in some of the Bible translations which are carefully marked as 'not in the earliest manuscripts' or 'not in all manuscripts' so that the reader can take this into consideration when reading. In these cases it is not clear how there were such differences between some manuscripts, but it is quite possible that some sayings of Jesus were left out or forgotten and that these were re-added at a later date.
@arzermey ....the fact is that muslims have again hidden these away out of fear of their contents being discovered, instead of revealing them in a museum or showing their contents online, like that happened with the Dead Sea Scrolls - you can read these online today. However, there is no point denying that these exist and were discovered, because the world has already noted this and there are many photographs of the hoard discovered.
@arzermey No. The dead sea scrolls have all been made public. You can view them online through Google.
and no, there is NO 'support' for Islam in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
However, Islam through fear have again hidden the 1000 different versions of the Quran found at Sana, instead of making them publicly available, because it fears that the truth of the contents will be seen!
@arzermey Ok girl, you are just starting to learn from me, but you should go to the Lord Jesus and He will teach you Himself. I will watch your video, but i can guarantee without even having seen it, that it will be incorrect.
@arzermey Ok friend, I finally watched the video and made notes. Would you like me to give my sincere opinion on it? I hope it will help you too. However since it will involve a bit of writing, there will not be space to answer it properly here, so I will send it to your channel and later put a summary of my observations about the video and whether or not it has any veracity. Check your chanel for my answer. It will arrive soon.
@arzermey So after watching the video, there are many errors in it and it is generally quite a deceptive video with misleading intentions. For instance the video falsely claims that the Infancy Gospel of Thomas was found in the Nag Hammadi hoard of manuscripts - it wasn't! Instead, another writing with the name of someone called "Thomas" was found, called the "Gospel of Thomas", which is an "agnostic" writing, (but which nevertheless has many true sayings of Jesus in it).
@arzermey Throughout the video, the video maker has used a "technique" which is designed to suggest the video maker's intentions, by moving almost invisibly between true factual information and misleading or untrue statements, such that the unsuspecting or gullible unknowledgeable individual cannot tell the difference between what are facts shown in the vidoe and what are misleading suggestions in the video. In other words, having 'gained the trust' of the viewer, it then suggests wrong things!
@arzermey Summary of observations of video: "The dead sea scrolls prove Islam".
1) Translation delay - reasons: war interruptions; complexity of retrieval of texts; many minute fragments; condition
but now can be viewed online at Google or in libraries.
2) Incorrectly claims that the Essenes were a 'group of Christians' (they weren't Christian at all, they were Jewish). Neither did they believe in Jesus or 'Isa' (Isa mistakenly taken from Esau's name by Mohammed!)
@arzermey 3) Infancy Gospel of Thomas was NOT found at Nag Hammadi, (Egypt) as video incorrectly claims. Instead it came from Syria.
4) Infancy Gospel of Thomas dated at earliest from end of 2nd cen to the 4th century, all of which meant that the author was NOT alive in the days of Jesus and since it was written in Syria, was not even in Israel.
5) Even though the clay birds coming to life by Jesus was in this writing, it was a myth which was 300 yrs later copied into the Quran's text!
@arzermey 6) Protoevangelium of James again according to the video written long after any eye witnesses of Jesus had long since passed away by 225 AD. In the video, its title says by cousin of Jesus, but no cousins would have been alive by 225 AD !
7) video attempts to entice people from Christian backgrounds to Islam by making much of 'virgin birth of Christ', but this inclusion in the Quran only really shows that it was copied from the Bible Gospels!!
@arzermey 8) The only "Interesting" part of the video concerns the "2 Messiahs" - in fact these 2 Messiahs are represented in the Bible. They refer to:
a) Jesus First coming (Priestly)
b) Jesus Second coming (Kingly when He returns in Judgement)
NOTE: the error in this video suggesting that Mohammed was "A MESSIAH" mentioned in the Pesher Scrolls!! This is blasphemy according to Islam itself ! Also even Islam admits the Messiah Chriswt will return! So the erorrs here are Booming!!
@arzermey 9) The video also adds the common muslim Blasphemy, suggesting that Mohammed is God, but claiming that Mohammed is THE HOLY SPIRIT (which is God's Spirit).
@arzermey 10) The video claims that Muslims 'only fought to defend themselves' - this is blatant lying in the extreme, OR a total denial of guilt and reality! It is one of the two and probably both. We can be assured for instance that the Indians of North India, the Brahmins, NEVER made a journey all the way to the Middle East, to attack mulims! However, Muslims did the REVERSE journey and around 1000 AD, were slaughtering 1000's of Brahmins and Hindus, every day (some report 10,000 per day)
@arzermey 10 continued) In any event, the Hindu population became decimated in North India particularly, due to the violence and occupation of muslims. It is believed that this resulted in the loss, not just of thousands of Hindus, but actually millions. We will probably never know just how many this holocaust took. Regardless, most of the nations which muslims conquered, had no interest in muslims, until these countries had to defend themselves from invasions etc.
@arzermey In general then, the video "The Dead Sea Scrolls prove Islam", was a carefully constructed video, containing both facts and untruths, which uses deception to try to promote Islam. It also shows the total lack of valid scholarship which muslims use to try to Quran Bash, those who are unsuspecting and uneducated in religion.
@arzermey The only thing the world waits for is for Islam to change and be honest about what was found instead of dishonestly hiding it all away...it leads directly to suspicions that they are lying about the quran! Only a fool would think otherwise!
Regarding people reading the quran after 9/11 yes you are right, some people in the UK started to read it and then did the London bombings. Others read it and turned away from God and became muslims.
@arzermey ...when the two are compared it reveals that 70 yrs after Mohammed died, the Quran was still in a process of being edited. Therefore, the Quran was never 'revealed' as a complete book as muslims claim, it took a long time of changes and editing before the final version which was not until 70 yrs after mohammed.
@arzermey re "this source is doubted" - of course, muslims will like to 'doubt' the source because it shows some of their beliefs about the Quran to be errors. However, history and facts do not lie. Only people lie about the facts when it doesn't support their ideas.
@arzermey 5) the 1000 different versions of the Quran which were discovered in ancient mosque in Sana, Yemen, in 1978 hidden behind a wall, during the renovations of the mosque.
6) the corrupted contents of the Quran's verses themselves - ie the corrupted gospel, the missing Injil which neither Mohammed nor allah knew the contents of!
7) the errors of the lives of the Bibilical characters written in the Quran
8) the error of claiming Jesus wasn't crucified, when no Quran writers were witnesses
@arzermey It doesn't matter whether the Quran was 'memorised' or not, if the contents of the Quran itself are wrong or corrupt! It is no good memorising that which is untrue and hoping that it will become true just because you have memorised it. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is word for word exactly the same as it was first thought of.
@swiftspy Yeshua, does NOT mean "the Lord's Salvation".
Your second one is the wrong meaning of Yeshua according to the Jews who named him. I think you will have to bow to the Jews explanation, rather than your own wishes, if you wish to acknowledge the truth on this one!
@swiftspy re "I bow to anyone but God" - do you mean you only bow to God? Then why do you bow to Mecca? Is Mecca God? But back tot the point friend, I'm not at all 'trying to lost you'. I am simply pointing out that according to the Bible, Jesus was called Yeshua for the reason explained in Matthew 1:21 when God spoke through an angel saying "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), BECAUSE HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."
@swiftspy and that is why Yeshua means "Yahweh is Salvation", because Jesus (Yeshua) will SAVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS (will offer Salvation). To understand the meaning of the name, you must study what it meant in First Century Israel. Matthew 1:21 explains what God means by it. Who are we to argue with God's explanation?
@swiftspy Thank you again for your reply friend. I only wish to show you exactly the truth about this particular point which you sent to me. Take care and God bless you and your family.
When Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Remember my favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you with the holy spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and when of old age, and when I taught you the book and the wisdom and the taurat and the injeel; and when you
determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by my permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by my permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by my permission; and when you brought forth the dead by my permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: this is nothing but clear enchantment(magic).
Haha at 450 he actually makes a huge point for christians. In this time psalms were not numbered so people would refer to the psalm by saying the first line of the psalm they referenced. Psalm 22 starts with my god my god why have you forsaken me. This psalm is a prophecy about the suffering messiah that would be raised victorious! Christ was telling us look@ psalm 22!
What is he on about a different gospel in corinth etc? Does he have any evidence? no. Then he states its earlier than matthew mark and Luke, any evidence? no. Paul claiming my gospel.
I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. galataians 1 1-2.
adamhardie111189 3 weeks ago
yeshua is not yahweh they are two seperate word dont make them to be thesame why are you knowing misguiding people the muslim guy gave the correct translation
modousonko 7 months ago
Mohammed could not get followers when he spoke peacefully. So he did it with force and succeeded. Thats why the later over rules the beginning of Islam or abrogation. Mohammed was not a profit for if you read it and sharia law and the other books it sounds like a control freak and greedy person with lusts that were not the norm of the time, so he said god said ok to marry a 6 year old and consumate at 9 years old. There is nothing in history of any other leader doing that. Islam is mafia of man
tordor 8 months ago
Ironically he is not promoting his religion his is dissecting Christianity.
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youneekk 8 months ago
I disagree strongly that Islam depicts a "merciful" God. Over and over Qur'an says Muslims are to "fight" with unbelievers - until they become Muslims. If they refuse, they are to be beheaded. Doesn't sound like a merciful God to me.
fwfassett 9 months ago
@fwfassett Good point - well lets here a muslim answer this then? Come on muslims, why is the Quran so hostile to Christians and Jews ( regarded as "unbelievers" or "kaffiir" in Islam) ? Explain this hostility if the Quran is right, why does it need to instruct hostility to others?
faithbyloving 9 months ago
@fwfassett Please cite your sources before spitting your BS... I guess the only source you got is your brain having diareah through your mouth...
javie2 9 months ago
@fwfassett
No, that is what people are telling you. Mercy is expressed far more in the Quran than anything else. And you miscontrue certain terms and phrases to mean violence. For example, 'jihad' (which apparently now means 'terrorist') refers to a struggle-nothing violent. People have connotatively attached violent associations with terms that mean to bring peace. By reading about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and his life, certain versus become clearer. The Prophet was VERY peaceful.
StationQM4T 8 months ago
@StationQM4T - No my opinions about what the Qur'an says are based on my reading the entire Qur'an. It is very contradictory on Jews and Christians. Says it admires and respects "people of the Book" but then insults them and their holy Bible - claiming the Bible is corrupted. And then it calls all non-Muslims "infidels". What if I said I love and respect Muslims and their holy book - but their holy book is full of corruption and so are their beliefs? Mohammad spread Islam with the sword.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett
That is not a contradiction. First of all, you can admire someone for certain reasons while simultaneously disputing them. For instance, I admire you for your almost civil candor. But don't get me wrong... I disagree with you whole-heartedly. Secondly, I hope you can see the irony in what you're telling me (What if I told you...blah blah blah banter- when you are basically telling me that exactly!).
StationQM4T 7 months ago
@fwfassett
Thirdly, you obviously read the Qur'an in English biasly (since you had preconcieved notions and judgements prior to your "discovery"). When I read the Bible, the Qur'an and the Torah, I found all three books to offer interesting insight because I wanted to read them to learn from them and not so I can tear them apart.
StationQM4T 7 months ago
Lastly, just because Mohammad was forced to spread some of his message by the sword (was attcked by others), he said "the pen is mightier than the sword" for a reason.
StationQM4T 7 months ago
@StationQM4T - No one "forced' Mohammad to spread his religion by the sword. Just because he decided to fight non-believers doesn't mean he was forced. That is one of the many differences between Judaism and Christianity versus Islam. We don't believe the love of God/Jesus should be forced. And "the pen is mightier than the sword" is not a quote from Mohammad. Surely you don't believe he said that. If so, you need more education.
fwfassett 7 months ago
@fwfassett First of all, yes, yes he did. Second of all, when people physically attack you for believing in a religion, it is not your fault. And unless you want to die, you must defend yourself. And don't bs me... don't pretend that Judiasm and Christianity are different in that regard. In what way are they different? If someone came at you with a knife, would you help them jab it further into your spleen?
StationQM4T 7 months ago
@StationQM4T - Big difference between defending yourself and attacking someone else. I would not defend myself against someone who is attacking me with a knife - I have no training to do that and someone of a different religion seldom attacks another in my or any other civilized country. Mohammad was not a godly man. Jesus could have called down 10,000 angels to defend Him, but didn't. He chose to die to pay for the sins of the world - so believers could live eternally with Him.
fwfassett 7 months ago
@fwfassett Nobody's attacking anybody! Violence is expressed far less in the Qu'ran than in the Bible or the Torah just FYI because you have serious prejudice. I cannnot believe you're actually writing what you're writing. Btw, Mohammad could have also asked for angels but was repeadedly attacked for his beliefs. He never wanted to hurt anybody. In fact when he was banned from the practice of pilgrimage, instead of fighting, he comrpomised and negotiated a deal where the terms were ridiculous.
StationQM4T 6 months ago
Jesus said "I am the Ressurection and the Life" !
faithbyloving 10 months ago
The Lord is Salvation because as he said "I am the Way, the Truth and The (eternal) LIFE, no man can come to (God) the Father EXCEPT BY ME!"
faithbyloving 10 months ago
@faithbyloving - John 14:6.. Jesus claimed to be the ONLY Way to God. He was either a liar, a lunatic, or exactly what He claimed - Savior of the world. He knew that was the purpose of His birth before He laid aside His glory and came in the body of a little helpless baby.
fwfassett 9 months ago
A correction to the muslim debater here - Yeshua or Joshua, does NOT mean "he is saved". The correct meaning and translation of Yeshua = "The Lord is Salvation" or "Yahweh is Salvation" (Hebrew yhôûa', Yahweh (is) salvation; see hwy in Semitic roots). Therefore, Jesus had his name to mean that HE IS SALVATION, not "he is saved"!! There is a subtle BUT VERY PROFOUND DIFFERENCE ! Please get it right!!
faithbyloving 10 months ago 2
@faithbyloving : Even priests had the same name...does not make any sense.
swiftspy 6 months ago
@swiftspy what doesn't make sense to you friend? I will try and help you if I can.
faithbyloving 6 months ago
@faithbyloving : I'm sorry but there is a difference between "The lord is salvation" and "the LOrd's salvation" :-), For me, the second meaning is the correct one.
swiftspy 6 months ago
@swiftspy Well you can change the meaning of Yeshua if you want to, but I can categorically assure you that that is NOT the meaning of Yeshua. Yeshua means "Yahweh is salvation". This means that ONLY the God of the Jews is Salvation. No other name is given for Salvation except Yahweh or Elohim. Matthew 1:21 explains the meaning of his name: "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), BECAUSE HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."
faithbyloving 6 months ago
@faithbyloving not fot nothing but its eloh- im the plural of respect is the word im the word for god is eloh. sound like Allah . im is the plural of respect not he part of gods name .
MrTurk0001 3 months ago
@MrTurk0001 You're correct friend: Elohim is the plural of 'god', the 'im' being the plural. However, where you are mistaken friend is that the word El is 'god' singular. The 'oh' part results from the addition of Hebrew vowels put between the El and the im. This is why the name Israel - the 'El' on the end simply means 'god'. Notice that there is no 'oh' on the end of Israel & this is because no vowel is needed. If Israel had to be plural, we would then add the 'oh' in between: "Israelohim"
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@MrTurk0001 However, Allah is not related to YHWH either by language or by character & certainly not by religion. It is essential to realise that there is no relationship between the muslim god 'Allah' & the Hebrew God YHWH. The truth is that these two actually OPPOSE EACH OTHER. They say different things in each 'holy book'. They have different AIMS in each book. They god in DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS in each book. There is NO relationship between them. One says Christ crucified the other not!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@MrTurk0001 The muslim understanding of scripture is immature in that he has misread and misunderstood the Bible. Few if any muslims know or understand the Bible. Most THINK they understand it, but NONE do. Most think they can criticise the Bible and find all faults with it so that they can dismiss it and say it is not God's Word, but the truth is in doing this they are making fools of themselves before God, whose word is not revealed to them.
The Quran by contrast is written by God's enemy
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving even your chistian scholar believe bible corrupted,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Hello friend. re "even your chistian scholar believe bible corrupted" - my Christian scholar is F.F. Bruce. He does NOT believe the scriptures are "corrupted". Read his book, "The Canon of Scripture". Also read another scholar, Richard Bauckham's book called "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses" - it will overturn your presumptions! However, the quran is a corrupted gospel of a heretical christian sect - that I am absolutely sure of.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
feel free to watch
The Truth about Bible exposed by a Bible Scholar (MISQUOTING JESUS)
A Christian Minister's Conversion to Islam
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey No my friend. If you sincerely want to know truth instead of the lies of a son of satan, read the two books which I have mentioned to you:-
"Jesus and the Eyewitnesses" by Richard Bauckham
"The Canon of Scripture" by F.F. Bruce.
Don't waste your time looking at the writings of fools.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
the problem is i already know bout islam n chistian aswell,
dont worry, u should keep directly praying to the lord of the lord for guideness and to show u the right path,
u dont have to pray by your priest,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re "the problem is i already know bout islam n chistian aswell" - it doesn't sound like you do. You may "think" you do, but from your comment it is clear that you know very little about Christians and their faith. For example, I always pray DIRECT to YHWH and He has already shown me the right path and that is YESHUA. Secondly, I don't have a "priest" because I am one. All believers are priests. We do not "pray by your priest" - this has nothing to do with me.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Thirdly the "guidelines" you speak of are the Bible, which if you read and believe and ask Yeshua Messiach to be your Lord and Saviour, you will be saved from the destination of Hell which you are currently travelling towards, right now.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
i dont mean to be arrogant, but who ever learn and understand islam,, it is impossible to us to deny the truth my prophet had teach except by been a hypocrite,
then how can someone who dont know islam much like u can perverting a muslim,
believe in one god and not trinity, trinity was brought by roman pagan
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey My friend, you have a great deal to learn! "Hypocrisy" is making out to be something or do something you aren't. You are not a 'hypocrite, you are simply misinformed & have been misled by a false gospel called the quran. The problem is that your 'prophet' denied the truth, himself & this was his great sin! He denied the truth of Yeshua the Messiah. He denied the Father and the Son and by this denial the Bible defines him as of the Anti-Christ or spirit of antichrist. - 1 John 2:22
faithbyloving 3 months ago
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@arzermey 1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. " - this is the definition of antichrist.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Friend, a muslim cannot be 'perverted' by a Christian. A muslim has already allowed an ungodly spirit to possess him. The only thing that a Christian can do is to rebuke the unclean spirit in the muslim and command it to leave him.
I'm not interested in a trinity. This is man's attempt to try to understand the nature of God, but God cannot be defined mathematically like that. To try to define God mathematically is to engage in foolishness.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Friend, sorry if I have offended you by anthing I have said. I do not intend to offend you, but I have to speak the truth to you or I will be condemned by God. Please don't take it personally.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
god have no begining and no end, he is not the same as anything in this world, he is the highest in everything, the most merciful and loving, most forgiving and most knowledgeable, i guess there is many muslim have told u what is the true christian suppose to be and what is corrupted in christian religion, but the choice is yours, Allah gifted to u a brain to think,
don't worry, i 'm not take it personally,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey YHWH is Eternal, my friend. However for the sake of humanity to understand, he also describes Himself as Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end. re "he is not the same as anything in this world" - that's why we can't "count Him"! However, one thing you must understand friend, is that Almighty and Holy YHWH created Everything by his own hands. He has ABSOLUTE authority over Everything, whether in Heaven or on Earth. We CANNOT tell YHWH what He can or can't do! He can do ANYTHING!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
what? what u do u mean he has begining and ending? god has begining and ending? sorry, we muslim dont believe such thing like that,
I 'm not creating those statement of what Allah should be,(forgiving etc) but it is writen in noble koran of what Allah's characteristics, and we muslim also believe to Allah the most feared.
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Typical muslim response, my friend. You perhaps don't understand English very well, but that is not what I said. You will need to read my comment again. Here is what I said "FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY TO UNDERSTAND, he also describes Himself as Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end". Man has a beginning and an End. Man understands this concept. Man does NOT understand Eternity or no beginning and no end. For these reasons YHWH described Himself as Alpha and Omega.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
u still explaining the same fact, u believe god have begining and ending? come on,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey I've already explained this to you. Refer to my previous answer. At this point I am not going to add anything to this until you have correctly understood what I have written. sorry.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey You know friend, if you make that kind of mistake understanding my English comment which was actually quite simple to understand, you are going to have a very hard time indeed trying to understand the Bible! The Bible is far far more complex and far deeper and more complex than the Quran. The Bible will make no sense to you, unless you can find the understanding of it with the help of God.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
do u thing it is make a sense god can create a human without a father?
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re "...sense god can create a human without a father?" - The Quran makes the error of confusing Creation with Reproduction. They are 2 different processes. The Creation of Adam has NO SIMILARITY (or 'similtude') with the Reproduction of Jesus. Adam was created 'an Adult Man'. Jesus conceived and then grew to be a feotus and then born as a natural baby to grow to be a man. These are TOTALLY DIFFERENT! God created the male chromosomes to pair with Mary's for conception to happen
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
i 'm just asking, by god power, can he create a human without a father?
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey
God created Adam without a human father, as a fully grown Adult.
However, in the case of an unborn baby that grows to become a man, this tells us that the conception itself was a miracle caused by God, but that the rest of the growth of the baby was normal and natural.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
wow, so many comment to be reply, but dont worry, i ll be here soon, just getting some other work to be done,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey If you ever start to read the Bible in Hebrew, you will find that it's depth is far deeper than anything in the Quran and its meaning is astounding. The Bible has prophecies in it that are going to affect EVERY MUSLIM NATION ! You have no idea at all, what the Bible contains!!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey My friend, if YHWH decides to appear in the Heavens we cannot command Him not to. If He decides to appear coming out of the ocean, we cannot tell Him he 'can't do it'! If He decides to appear as a Huge Voice, we cannot tell Him that he can't do it! If He decides to appear in the form of the Son of God, who are you to tell Him that He is 'not allowed to do it'? Only a fool tries to order YHWH or tries to tell Him that He the Maker of Heaven and Earth is not allowed to do something!!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
because of his power, he will not show his self as a human, do u think a god have a same standard like human? can live and die, and temptated by satan(as what writen in bible)
but by his power, he can make a virgin born a baby without a father, creating a HUMAN without a father.
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey You are trying to tell YHWH what He can't do?? Do you make the rules for Him to follow?? Must God obey you because you are a muslim??
...Excuse me, but how many virgins do you know that have had a baby without a father?
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey You see friend your 'doctrine' says as a muslim that Almighty God must be restricted by the doctrine of man is nothing but foolishness! You know friend, you will face Yeshua when you die! Did you know that? Everyone will face Yeshua Messiach. You will give account of your life to Him. He will ask you, friend, why you crucified Him? There will be no point in you denying that you did! He has seen everything about you in your life, every word, every action & even every thought!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey You cannot argue with a Holy God who has the power to send you to Hell for eternity! He has Absolute power and Absolute control. There is nothing hidden from Him. Those muslims who have passed into Eternity before you, have learned this DIRECTLY! They found themselves trying to explain to the Lord Jesus Christ, why they as representatives of mankind are guilty of executing and crucifying Jesus Christ.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
simple question, when u pray, which name do u call? holy ghost? jesus? father/god?
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Abba, Father.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey What name do you call?
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey It was too late for them, they could not repent because they had believed the lie that Islam had told them in Sura 4:157, that Jesus had not been crucified, but this is a lie from the throne of satan. There is also absolutely no historical basis for this verse whatsoever. It is simply a lie from satan in your 'holy book'!
re "Allah gifted to u a brain to think" - no what you call "Allah" has nothing to do with me and he has never 'given' me anything. Only the Creator can do that.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey re "muslim have told u what is the true christian suppose to be " - no muslim has any idea about what a Christian is or is supposed to be. No muslim has this knowledge because it is revealed only to the Faithful who have repented of their sin and received the Lord Jesus Christ in total submission to The Creator YHWH. Regarding anything "corrupted" in Christian religion, you have more than enough to concentrate on the corruption of your own religion!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
the noble koran is promised can't be cprrupted by the hand of human, and it is,, where ever u go and read the noble koran, the word is still the same, it may translated to many language but the original of arabic version will never be changed and in muslim ppl there is some of then who can memorize the whole noble -koran.
different with your bible,many contradiction between one bible version with another, and your christian scholar also claim there is no ORIGINAL version of bible
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey That would be starting a very big subject and one which probably neither you nor I have the expertise to address, unless we are paleography experts. However the study would need to investigate the following:
1) the original sources of the Quran's verses
2) the accumulation and compilation
3) the editing of the Quran which took place 70 yrs after Mohammed died, by muslim scribes
4) the 1000 different versions of the Quran which were supposed to have been burned by Caliph Utthman
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
what Caliph Utthman done is standarizing the way to recite the noble koran, this is just like a phonetic by adding a sign in each letter, this does not change even a single letter,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re Caliph Utthman - The oldest Quran found hidden behind a wall at the Great mosque in Sana, is NOT the same Quran that you hold in your hand today. You are correct in that it does not have vowel markings, as it was called a pampliset which in the original Arabic did not have vowel markings. When you translate these words without vowels, they can have up to 30 different meanings! Also whole chapters and verses were in different order.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
are u sure? the noble koran is memorized not by one person, but many ppl,
the word and meaning is still the same, dont worry, this book is as the same as what been spoken by my prophet,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Well there are 2 things here.
1) The Quran that is published today is not the original quran as the evidence indicates.
2) Even if the Quran was 'perfectly' the 'original quran', because its contents are false and it contains lies about the Biblical characters, Moses, Abraham and Jesus, it doesn't matter how many people memorise the same lies, they will always be the same lies, they will never become true!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
1) it is original, that is the promise of Allah, and it is,, still the same for 1400, (unlike bible with many contradiction from a version to others)
2)quran is the perfect book, the best arabic literature ever exist(admited by arabic infidel at my prophet time) moreover, it also contain scientific information and scientist aprove it after 1400 years,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey 1) it isnt. 2) it isn't perfect if it tells untrue things about the characters in the Bible. The so called 'scientific information' actually contains a lot of errors that are embarassing to Islam. For instance it says that sperm comes from a man's back! Mountains stop earthquakes! The sun sets in a muddy pool, etc, etc.
It also claims that Jesus mother Mariam is the sister of Aaron, the brother of Moses, 1000 years earlier than Jesus! All these errors & more are in quran
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
bring me those sura'
it is u who define it in your way(or evil blog u google it), make your own research by read back the statement and compare it in the noble qyran by read the whole sura, it is normal for those infidel and evil bloger to taking out of content something in noble-koran,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey You can find them yourself if you have a quran. I didn't need to google or blog, because I remembered these and many more from my memory. Another one is that quran claims that in reproduction, the bones of the foetus grow first and then they are covered by the flesh - this is totally biologically error.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving i cant comment on this because i 'm not biologist, but your scientist who is appove it, then your scientist convert to islam,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re "scientist who is appove it, then your scientist convert to islam," - no scientist has approved it, because is written in the Quran about feotus growth is error. It is wrong and therefore no scientist can approve what is an error. Yet Allah didn't know how a feotus grows?? Perhaps because he never made one? Or perhaps because Allah received his education from the ancient Greeks who also just happened to think the same things that are written in the Quran about reproduction?
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
u can search in youtube, how a christian scientist convert to islam.
there is many other scientific proof in noble quran such as finger print,(every human have a different finger print and etc)
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re "every human have a different finger print" - friend, when a person dies, they will find themselves before the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ will ask them to put their finger into the holes in his hands and side that they have caused. Then Christ will look at them, not at their finger print, but right inside their heart to see if it has the print or shape of YHWH there, but if it has not, they will be taken away to an eternity of darkness.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
dont worry, we muslims believe in jesus and his teach, we believe he was a messenger of Allah just like other prophets before him, he will save a ppl in judgementday, a ppl at his times who follow the right path of his teach, every past prophets can perform miracle, solomon can control a devil and understand animal language, moses can divide a sea and walk throught it and jesus miracle is born without father, muhammad pbuh supreme miracle is the noble koran.
arzermey 3 months ago
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@arzermey re "we muslims believe in jesus and his teach, we believe he was a messenger of Allah just like other prophets before him" - but that is not what the Quran says! Which of the "other prophets" are a "spirit proceeding from Him (Allah)" ? Yet the quran says Jesus is NOT at all like the other prophets: see Sura 19:19
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 4:171 "0 People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion; nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, and A SPIRIT PROCEEDING FROM HIM" - but which of the prophets was a 'spirit proceeding from Allah'? A spirit proceeding from God has to be of the SAME spirit as the one sending him & MUST BE HOLY. However, Mohammed said in the Hadith Bukhari 569 that 'all sons of Adam are sinners'
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey How then can the creation of Jesus be like that of the creation of Jesus, when Adam was created from dust, but Jesus wasn't; Adam was a sinner, but Jesus was a spirit proceeding from God and was Holy?
There is no 'similtude' in this as the quran incorrectly says. Instead it is a contradiction which cannot be answered.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey there's nothing you can take out of context about the foetus bones growing first and then the flesh, its simply scientifically wrong.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Look friend, I don't want to give you a hard time, because you may end up with a rough ride with me and it is not my intention to offend you. I don't like offending anyone and although you are a muslim, as far as I am concerned, you are the neighbour the Christ tells me to love.
God bless you and your family for now. It's late and I'm going to sleep now. Good night.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
dont worry,it is not a hard time to me, =)
we have a healty debate aswell,
good night too,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey
To explain all this, please see the following youtube video
watch?v=z8RJaJbKog4
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
this source is doubted, for your information, noble koran first writen in a single book at utman time, mean this video is fail,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey There's nothing failing here. It isn't about failing. It is about Fact. This documentary was made by academics not believers of any religion. It is being studied because it revealed what may be the oldest quran in the world. This is because of a drawing of a certain mosque on the cover, which dates the quran to a very early period. Because there are two texts on the manuscript the one underneath rubbed out being the original and the one written over it, the translation...
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
i told u before and why u are not axcept it, no ideas? but it is at utman time the koran is recorded in a single book with a sign to standarizing and guide reader to reciting it, this book cant be corrupted because many ppl memorizing it from times to times, the video just telling that it may have many translation, but dont mention the noble koran is contradicted. it is impossible this book have a contradiction.
how bout spent some of your time read this book,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey With all respect to you friend, as there were 1000 different qurans in Utthman's day and there are sill 1000 different qurans today somewhere in Yemen, who is to say which version is the 'correct one'?
Even so, the quran today is shown to be unreliable because it has corrupted the stories of Abraham, Moses, Isaac and Jesus. This means that as these are untrue stories, the quran cannot be trusted as a message from God.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
1000 different qurans??? this is funny, so where is all the ppls who can memorized this book? 1000 different qurans that is just too funny, but for your information, regarding to 9/11, many ppls tried to read the koran and expected to know how evil islam are,, then after they read this book and they realize the true of noble koran and convert to islam,, Allah gift them a guideness as they seek for true,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re the 1000 different translations of the Quran - these were said to exist at the time of Utthman and also approximately the same number of different translations of the quran were discovered hidden behind a wall in a mosque in Sana, Yemen.....were they the same 1000? who knows?
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving but everybody know, noble quran was memorized, we have many ppl who memorized the whole noble koran times to times,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey re "we have many ppl who memorized the whole noble koran" - friend it doesn't matter if a billion people have memorised the Bhagavad Gita, it does not make it true. So even if every muslim in the world memorised the whole of the quran, it cannot change its errors or make its contents changed to be right! The fact is that it has perverted the stories of Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jesus, "re-inventing" the stories of their lives by lying! It doesn't matter if you memorise it!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
memorized mean to remember each word in your mind, it is not like bible where it is copied from a translation to another where many mistake may occur plus some would like to change the content of bible to satisfied their greed,
dont worry, this book of noble koran is remembered by many muslims from my prophet time until now, this ppl is called as as-tahfiz,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey A reliable Bible is not translated from a previous version - instead it is translated directly from the earliest manuscript sources! You should know this!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey The really interesting thing about the Dead Sea Scrolls friend, is that what has been discovered is that there has been no change to the text or message of the Old Testament manuscripts for at least 2000 years. This means that the very same manuscripts which Jesus knew, recited and memorised (supposed to be Isa in your Quran) and which he preached from, are the same text that from which Bible's like the New International Version are translated.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey In fact, when the New Internation Version (NIV) was translated, the translators used the Dead Sea Scrolls that were available in the translation. So this actually shows that the muslim's claims that the manuscripts have been 'changed' is actually false, since Jesus or Isa, approved them and of course for you, since Mohammed approved Isa and the message which he preached, this means that Mohammed also confirmed the truth of the manuscripts which Isa taught from.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey There are a few passages in some of the Bible translations which are carefully marked as 'not in the earliest manuscripts' or 'not in all manuscripts' so that the reader can take this into consideration when reading. In these cases it is not clear how there were such differences between some manuscripts, but it is quite possible that some sayings of Jesus were left out or forgotten and that these were re-added at a later date.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey We may never know all the reasons. However the bible message is the same as that Jesus taught and Mohammed apparently approved!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey ....the fact is that muslims have again hidden these away out of fear of their contents being discovered, instead of revealing them in a museum or showing their contents online, like that happened with the Dead Sea Scrolls - you can read these online today. However, there is no point denying that these exist and were discovered, because the world has already noted this and there are many photographs of the hoard discovered.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
dead sea scroll is something that israel ppl hide from the world, because the information inside dead sea scoll is supporting islam teach,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey No. The dead sea scrolls have all been made public. You can view them online through Google.
and no, there is NO 'support' for Islam in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
However, Islam through fear have again hidden the 1000 different versions of the Quran found at Sana, instead of making them publicly available, because it fears that the truth of the contents will be seen!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving girl, u got to seek for more information,, plzz feel free to watch
"The dead sea scrolls prove islam ..wmv"
"The dead sea scrolls scholar Robert Eisenman shocking discovery about the scrolls and islam.wmv "
and many other video,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Ok girl, you are just starting to learn from me, but you should go to the Lord Jesus and He will teach you Himself. I will watch your video, but i can guarantee without even having seen it, that it will be incorrect.
i will let you know my opinion later.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Ok friend, I finally watched the video and made notes. Would you like me to give my sincere opinion on it? I hope it will help you too. However since it will involve a bit of writing, there will not be space to answer it properly here, so I will send it to your channel and later put a summary of my observations about the video and whether or not it has any veracity. Check your chanel for my answer. It will arrive soon.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey So after watching the video, there are many errors in it and it is generally quite a deceptive video with misleading intentions. For instance the video falsely claims that the Infancy Gospel of Thomas was found in the Nag Hammadi hoard of manuscripts - it wasn't! Instead, another writing with the name of someone called "Thomas" was found, called the "Gospel of Thomas", which is an "agnostic" writing, (but which nevertheless has many true sayings of Jesus in it).
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Throughout the video, the video maker has used a "technique" which is designed to suggest the video maker's intentions, by moving almost invisibly between true factual information and misleading or untrue statements, such that the unsuspecting or gullible unknowledgeable individual cannot tell the difference between what are facts shown in the vidoe and what are misleading suggestions in the video. In other words, having 'gained the trust' of the viewer, it then suggests wrong things!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey Summary of observations of video: "The dead sea scrolls prove Islam".
1) Translation delay - reasons: war interruptions; complexity of retrieval of texts; many minute fragments; condition
but now can be viewed online at Google or in libraries.
2) Incorrectly claims that the Essenes were a 'group of Christians' (they weren't Christian at all, they were Jewish). Neither did they believe in Jesus or 'Isa' (Isa mistakenly taken from Esau's name by Mohammed!)
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 3) Infancy Gospel of Thomas was NOT found at Nag Hammadi, (Egypt) as video incorrectly claims. Instead it came from Syria.
4) Infancy Gospel of Thomas dated at earliest from end of 2nd cen to the 4th century, all of which meant that the author was NOT alive in the days of Jesus and since it was written in Syria, was not even in Israel.
5) Even though the clay birds coming to life by Jesus was in this writing, it was a myth which was 300 yrs later copied into the Quran's text!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 6) Protoevangelium of James again according to the video written long after any eye witnesses of Jesus had long since passed away by 225 AD. In the video, its title says by cousin of Jesus, but no cousins would have been alive by 225 AD !
7) video attempts to entice people from Christian backgrounds to Islam by making much of 'virgin birth of Christ', but this inclusion in the Quran only really shows that it was copied from the Bible Gospels!!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 8) The only "Interesting" part of the video concerns the "2 Messiahs" - in fact these 2 Messiahs are represented in the Bible. They refer to:
a) Jesus First coming (Priestly)
b) Jesus Second coming (Kingly when He returns in Judgement)
NOTE: the error in this video suggesting that Mohammed was "A MESSIAH" mentioned in the Pesher Scrolls!! This is blasphemy according to Islam itself ! Also even Islam admits the Messiah Chriswt will return! So the erorrs here are Booming!!
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 9) The video also adds the common muslim Blasphemy, suggesting that Mohammed is God, but claiming that Mohammed is THE HOLY SPIRIT (which is God's Spirit).
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 10) The video claims that Muslims 'only fought to defend themselves' - this is blatant lying in the extreme, OR a total denial of guilt and reality! It is one of the two and probably both. We can be assured for instance that the Indians of North India, the Brahmins, NEVER made a journey all the way to the Middle East, to attack mulims! However, Muslims did the REVERSE journey and around 1000 AD, were slaughtering 1000's of Brahmins and Hindus, every day (some report 10,000 per day)
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 10 continued) In any event, the Hindu population became decimated in North India particularly, due to the violence and occupation of muslims. It is believed that this resulted in the loss, not just of thousands of Hindus, but actually millions. We will probably never know just how many this holocaust took. Regardless, most of the nations which muslims conquered, had no interest in muslims, until these countries had to defend themselves from invasions etc.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey In general then, the video "The Dead Sea Scrolls prove Islam", was a carefully constructed video, containing both facts and untruths, which uses deception to try to promote Islam. It also shows the total lack of valid scholarship which muslims use to try to Quran Bash, those who are unsuspecting and uneducated in religion.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey The only thing the world waits for is for Islam to change and be honest about what was found instead of dishonestly hiding it all away...it leads directly to suspicions that they are lying about the quran! Only a fool would think otherwise!
Regarding people reading the quran after 9/11 yes you are right, some people in the UK started to read it and then did the London bombings. Others read it and turned away from God and became muslims.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
they not turned away from god, they back to the right path of what god want to every human have to be,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey ...when the two are compared it reveals that 70 yrs after Mohammed died, the Quran was still in a process of being edited. Therefore, the Quran was never 'revealed' as a complete book as muslims claim, it took a long time of changes and editing before the final version which was not until 70 yrs after mohammed.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey re "this source is doubted" - of course, muslims will like to 'doubt' the source because it shows some of their beliefs about the Quran to be errors. However, history and facts do not lie. Only people lie about the facts when it doesn't support their ideas.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@arzermey 5) the 1000 different versions of the Quran which were discovered in ancient mosque in Sana, Yemen, in 1978 hidden behind a wall, during the renovations of the mosque.
6) the corrupted contents of the Quran's verses themselves - ie the corrupted gospel, the missing Injil which neither Mohammed nor allah knew the contents of!
7) the errors of the lives of the Bibilical characters written in the Quran
8) the error of claiming Jesus wasn't crucified, when no Quran writers were witnesses
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@faithbyloving
sorry, that is impossible, the noble koran is not just writed but memorized from the time of my prophets until now,
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey It doesn't matter whether the Quran was 'memorised' or not, if the contents of the Quran itself are wrong or corrupt! It is no good memorising that which is untrue and hoping that it will become true just because you have memorised it. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is word for word exactly the same as it was first thought of.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
@swiftspy Yeshua, does NOT mean "the Lord's Salvation".
Your second one is the wrong meaning of Yeshua according to the Jews who named him. I think you will have to bow to the Jews explanation, rather than your own wishes, if you wish to acknowledge the truth on this one!
faithbyloving 6 months ago
@faithbyloving : I bow to anyone but God, the unique. I collected my information from various jewish website. Please dopn't try to lost me. Salam.
swiftspy 6 months ago
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@swiftspy re "I bow to anyone but God" - do you mean you only bow to God? Then why do you bow to Mecca? Is Mecca God? But back tot the point friend, I'm not at all 'trying to lost you'. I am simply pointing out that according to the Bible, Jesus was called Yeshua for the reason explained in Matthew 1:21 when God spoke through an angel saying "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), BECAUSE HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."
faithbyloving 6 months ago
@swiftspy and that is why Yeshua means "Yahweh is Salvation", because Jesus (Yeshua) will SAVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS (will offer Salvation). To understand the meaning of the name, you must study what it meant in First Century Israel. Matthew 1:21 explains what God means by it. Who are we to argue with God's explanation?
faithbyloving 6 months ago
@swiftspy Thank you again for your reply friend. I only wish to show you exactly the truth about this particular point which you sent to me. Take care and God bless you and your family.
faithbyloving 6 months ago
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1400 years ago
Quran:
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-110)
When Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Remember my favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you with the holy spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and when of old age, and when I taught you the book and the wisdom and the taurat and the injeel; and when you
quranresponse 11 months ago
determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by my permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by my permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by my permission; and when you brought forth the dead by my permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: this is nothing but clear enchantment(magic).
quranresponse 11 months ago
Haha at 450 he actually makes a huge point for christians. In this time psalms were not numbered so people would refer to the psalm by saying the first line of the psalm they referenced. Psalm 22 starts with my god my god why have you forsaken me. This psalm is a prophecy about the suffering messiah that would be raised victorious! Christ was telling us look@ psalm 22!
mumswording 11 months ago