wowww you guys are dumb. "they can't be professors, they can't be mathematicians." they can be whatever the hell they want to be! and btw, college isn't that hard... what idiots!
I think in another decade or so, schools will be gone. With the Internet these days and how quickly you can access information whenever you want, why waste time listening to a shitty teacher and reading from an outdated textbook at a building for 8 hours a day 5 days 9 months a year?
I went to public school, I got great grades, but I was a horrible student. I slept in class, I never paid attention, and often skipped school.. My only salvation an unschooling neighbor. If you had a question they would answer it. Now my daughter is a great student with bad grades. They improved only when I started to partially homeschool her. I was allowed to roam freely and learn what I wanted. I learned all i needed outside of school. I just went test days. Next year homeschooling full time.
i lovvve the idea of unschooling. I tested out of highschool at 17 and never did a bit of homework for really any of my time in public school and felt more unsocial in school than I ever did outside school. now I find myself constantly looking up topics like biology and history which I absolutely hate in school. my point is you were born curious and especially at a young age and its the parents job to fuel that fire and passion.
Wow. Their opinions are based on lack of trust on children. They expect EVERY single unschooler to be an ignorant teenager. Work at McDonalds? Seriously, I've only seen people from traditional schools do that. I am responsible for my own education and I don't plan on being bossed around by "authorities," a term to describe strangers who have been bestowed some kind of power by an institution to do as they please. And they are going to justify that "it's for own own good."
The information you have on the internet is 10000 times better than the ones in your text books. More frequent updates and not just written by one or two people. Also, teachers are faggots. Kids don't need to be controlled to learn. TYT you guys are ignorant.
@bsidhom: [I'm not done. :)] That also brings up the question, "what about the subjects they don't teach in school?" I'm unschooled myself, and I want to go into Criminal Justice. There are no high schools in my area that teach courses in that area. According to College Board, there are over 600 college level majors. Most high schools don't teach interior design, civil engineering, religious topics, communications, or military intelligence.
@bsidhom: That's an excellent point, but I don't think it's a real problem. Unschoolers aren't just shut away in their homes; they do get exposure to a variety of concepts and ideas. I went to Splash! MIT, for instance, and there were a ton of unschoolers there, dabbling in everything from dance forms to languages and advanced math. For many unschoolers, the high school years are part independent study, part job experience, and part community college courses.
These two morons have no goddamn clue wtf theyre talking about.
They assume that children are incapable of finding their own interests. It has been proven time and time again that given the right parental influences, they children are VERY capable of educating themselves, and that their academic interests can be pursued of their own volition.
There were various alternative education techniques tried in the 60's. John Taylor Gatto. Google his work.
Those poor children, bless their hearts. We homeschool & we know unschoolers. They are smart wonderful children whose parents took the time to guide them in different experiences. Parents' that felt it their responsibility to encourage higher learning. This video makes unschoolers look really bad.
I'm a home schooler in Mississippi (and I'm defiantly not one of the nerdy ones) it does have disadvantages and advantages and i heard the population of home schoolers is growing rapidly in Texas. But I do agree that unschooling is very bad for there children and I just think that's flat out wrong.
We are a family of 6 in TX who homeschool. Education and life are what you make of 'em! Our children use every learning opp regardless of its form. Our curriculum consist of pc time, tv time, textbooks, workbooks, lab, field, hands-on, and boardwork. I'm not a fan of unschooling as it was portrayed, but we do have hours, or a day, or a week in the summer when we free ourselves to open learning. Why are you not a fan of homeschooling? I don't object ps, but lack of I do!
when I was 10 I swallowed any book that came within my reach, but had so many rules and chores that I didnt have much time to do it, and going to school has more or less damaged my psyche (not cos of school it self though, but cos of the kids) so I cant go to college without feeling like the whole world is abt to kill me, from my point of view unschooling seems like a good idea, not for everyone, but for some...
@buckweetable Your sister is the exception to the rule. Anyone with half a brain can look at these kids and tell they're gonna work minimum wage jobs.....if they're lucky.
Ah, this will probably get buried in the thousands of comments, but I'm wondering about the caption in this video, it doesn't match what they are saying.
*pardon my typos for I am on my iphone atm* Furthermore I did not recall much of anything I was forced to learn in public school. However once my passions fueled my interest and self education I retain most all of what I learn. Thank you very much.
My two younger sisters and myself were all unschooled for the latter part of our adolescent education and It DOES "work that way" in that we are all EXTREMELY interested in physics, biology & numerous other high level educational topics are concerned all of our own self motivation. The Young Turk have no clue of what they are speaking here.
@FASSY524 I don't feel that I've ever missed anything by not going to dances or participating in "real school", but I would love to be surrounded by other free learners. :) What you're suggesting actually exists: google "free school"
@3GBlog Thanks for your comment, but I don't really get your point. I never claimed to be "special", either, or anything else I felt worthy of an attack. Maybe you could explain a little bit?
These people are stupid. "Explore things and maybe you'll like them?" Reporter Lady, where have you been?! TV was invented over 50 years ago! The Internet has been around for over a decade! 99.9% of what people know about they discover on their own. You may not learn how far Mars is from Earth by watching TV, but you will get a general sense of what Mars, other planets, space, etc are and if you want to study them you'll know it. Common sense.
I feel like it would be better to do something that goes in between schooling and unschooling. Like, have a school that uses unschooling techniques but has some bit of structure to allow them to have goals. So it would be like an Unschooling K-12 that is in its own homey building more like the Horace Mann buildings which were much like a huge house. The reason I say this is because I feel like things like Prom and school activities are very important to have as well as social lives from school
i'm will ask, if they use geometry to make that show, or fisics to narrate some news, or maybe they make algebra formulas to pick up the news that they talk in every show...
the question is, are they learning rather if it home schooling, school or unschool, are they learnig hoy to live or how to earn a living, they are learning how to think or what to think, what ever the case may be, what is fact!! is that the school system is delivering the most ignorant and underachieving amerians ever be4
The parents at the beginning are not representative of all homeschools. They chose the more extreme version of homeschooling to bring dumb preception about it. Homeschooling bring forth higher scores, but I think the question is whether they would adapt to the world outside home, some do terrrific: homeschool isn't just learning at home believe it or not.
Hey, did you hear? There's a new technology where they can take the information from schools and put them on thin pieces of wood. They take these pieces of wood and put them in these buildings called "Libraries". There's also a way they can put the information from school on the internet. Amazing isn't it?
that guys a jerk, he is so out of touch. Enstein was homeschooled - you wouldn't know that unless you were homeschooled yourself. Broaden your horizons.
After those 3 months I was unschooled again and I have no plans of going back to school until collage. I do what I enjoy doing...Pursuing my interests like photography, photo editing, and dancing. I think I've gotten somewhere with all of them, I have 80 contacts on flickr, and I take 3 dance classes a week and I've been dancing since I was three. Does this make me stupid? I don't think so. And BTW pickles are fermented cucumbers. (Sorry if this sounded rude/conceded. x3)
I have to disagree highly with this video. I am 12 years old and I've been unschooled since 1st grade. I went back to school for the last three months of 3rd grade after doing no curriculum what-so-ever, and I got all A's in everything but spelling which I got a B on. I did better then some of the kids that had been going to school all their lives. After that I was unschooled again and I currently have no plans of going back to school until collage. 1/2
@cml4456 If Obama has no chance, you should be free of worries.
Let's wait and see, and then we can put this "debate" to rest after the elction.
Palin was clearly the WRONG ingredient in a "winning recipe". She is Republican party poison. Only an idiot would disagree with those facts. Palin has no clue. Those claiming she does don't either.
I was a reader at 10, and I even read about history, but that was because I liked history and literature. You best believe I didn't go anwhere near a math or biology book unless I was forced; but looking back, I'm glad someone made me learn stuff I didn't like, because, as an adult, I recongize that knowing things about a wide variety of subjects is called being a well-rounded, educated person. These parents just want kids to raise themselves. It doesn't work that way, i'm afraid.
How often do 99% of people use chemistry, biology or physics in their everyday lives? Never.
The point of it is that kids will learn and do what they're naturally drawn to and interested in. If you care about what you're learning, you'll learn better and faster. If they wanted to be mathematicians, chemists, physicists or whatever, then they would study for those things and ignore kickball, poetry and all of the other shit that they don't care about and don't need to learn anyway.
Actually, you use it all the time. You just don't realise it's happening unless you learn about it.
You present a poor argument for unschooling- I am an unschooler myself, but you kind of make it look like a free pass to funville. It's not- it's about being given the responsibility of self-determined education. You still have to learn the important stuff- it's just that the onus is on you to decide what that is.
"You still have to learn the important stuff- it's just that the onus is on you to decide what that is."
Exactly right. And what if your kid decides that "important stuff" doesn't include chemistry or physics? To impose a course of study on your child would make you and ordinary homeschooler, not an unschooler.
Also, please explain how you, not being a biologist or a chemist or a physicist, use biology, chemistry and physics in your everyday life?
Everytime I wash the dishes, everytime I turn on my heater, every move I make, everytime I drop something, everytime I look at a rainbow, everytime I try to mix a pallette of paint or change the lighting effects for a stage show, everytime I see something and wonder why (and therefore, look it up) I...for god's sake, man, I could literally go on forever- everything we do incorporates elements of these sciences. That's why they're called Science
Not to mention everytime I have to take medication- I always read the label, and having studied chemistry just through reading allows me to know what is going into my body.
Everytime I set up a system of pulleys to help me build something, I'm using the physical concepts of Levers and Conversion of Energy. All this stuff I got from reading basic science books at the Library.
It's not reasonable to say that nobody uses these sciences. It's just that they don't know they do.
"Everytime I set up a system of pulleys to help me build something, I'm using the physical concepts of Levers and Conversion of Energy. All this stuff I got from reading basic science books at the Library."
It is important to note that you searched out this knowledge on your own when the need for it arose. That is the basic idea behind unschooling. Kids can learn to use pulleys just as you did, seeking out the information when needed, not by being forced to sleep through lectures.
"Everytime I wash the dishes, everytime I turn on my heater, every move I make, everytime I drop something, everytime I look at a rainbow, everytime I try to mix a pallette of paint or change the lighting effects for a stage show..."
None of these activities require you to be learned in the sciences. Science only came into play when some of those devices/products were invented and manufactured by others, not when you used them.
At the end of the day, if my own children decide that they don't want to study Chemistry or physics, at least not formally, I know it's not going to effect them negatively- but I have a feeling it won't work like that, because as an Unschooling parent, I'd do my best to introduce them to all the sciences through games and books that I place in our home library, and by visiting museums and University science days.
It's school without a formal curriculum, we still guide them.
"I'd do my best to introduce them to all the sciences through games and books that I place in our home library, and by visiting museums and University science days.
It's school without a formal curriculum, we still guide them."
Also, I think this is a very ignorant video to make. It seems like you've made a judgement by just watching a news report and being like "nah that would never work".
You're supposed to be media right? Did you try talking to any unschooled children, or adults who were unschooled?
Did you try reading anything about it online, or any of the research that's been done?
Should I be insulted? I've "sought knowledge out of my natural curiosity". If I'm the only person left who does this, I fear for humanity as a whole, not unschoolers.
A person very dear to me is entirely unschooled as far as his technological education, and he has made some amazing things. Another unschooler I know has a small business. Yet another is involved in community theater and is a delightful, (and may I add) well adjusted young woman.
@WriteON15 Theres a difference between reading a wikipedia article on a topic that interests you and depriving your children of a formal education. You're not special, just pretentious.
@WriteON15 You are missing a VERY important point here: that you can only have a desire to seek that which you have seen. The whole point of education is to mandate some level of exposure so that at the very least a child can choose that he wants to go no further and opt out. A child will readily pursue a subject that interests him, but only after after having discovered it.
Most lower class kids in England are unschooled. They go to school, they don't learn a fucking thing, then they leave school absolutely lost. Some take up access courses to catch up what they should have learnt for the previous ten years or try to go it alone without any qualification and go look for a job.
haha, they are really proofing how stupid they are themselves. It's not because they would play all day long that they will keep playing. Most will eventually see grown ups and other kids do things that they are interested in doing themselves. Unschooled (or sudburry) children are often very succesfull later on.
But the most important thing is: why waste time teaching things to children that they will never use anyways? algebra etcetera is easily learned at an older age when necessary.
haha, they are really proofing how stupid they are themselves. It's not because they would play all day long that they will keep playing. Most will eventually see grown ups and other kids do things that they are interested in doing themselves. Unschooled (or sudburry) children are often very succesfull later on.
But the most important thing is: why waste time teaching things to children that they will never use anyways? algebra etcetera is easily learned at an older age when necessary.
I love how ABC puts unschooling in such a bad light. I've never heard of an unschooler who's parents had NO RULES WHATSOEVER. That's not what's it's about. It doesn't have anything to do with home life.
It's funny how these guys (TV hosts) make fun of Unschooling, calling unschoolers "ignorants"; my question is: Does any of you remember much of the math, physics, chemistry or history you saw at school? I'm pretty sure you don't! If you do it's because you had to pick them up again at college (forcefully). We learn, remember the useful and forget the useless, it's that simple. This guy would fail a test on the very subjects he mentioned; does that make him stupid? Well, he behaves like one...!!!
public school works for me because im working with teachers who are professional, who know their subject, and if u have questions or are uncertain about something they are there as a resource, many kids dont realize the importance of education until its too late, or when theyre successful it's training for the future, u wouldnt push your kids out of an airplane without a parachute, and you shouldnt send ur kids into the world without preparation
Unschooling is stupid and your kids will end up knowing practically nothing about the world. However, public schools aren't much better. I was home schooled and it was the best thing that could have happened in terms of education. My parents were pretty strict and made sure that I did a certain amount of school. When I was in 7th grade I was several years ahead of kids in public schools. It also depends on the parents and these are not good. They're going to ruin their kids education.
Well you can tell that these two idiots weren't homeschooled because if they would have been then they would know that you don't grow pickles......you grow cucumbers!!! I am a homeschooling mother of four very bright, well educated kids. I am a product of the public school system and, even though I graduated at the top of my class, I have learned so much more through homeschooling my own children than I ever did in the classroom!
If school did such a wonderful job preparing children for college - the majority of high school graduates would not drop out, lol. All you need to know is how to read, write, and do basic math.
It's a lovely thought, but eventually those kids will grow up and have to function in a real world that has schedules, deadlines and expectations. Say what you will about education and choice, but a parents job is to prepare their kids for the world. These parents are doing their kids a huge disservice.
Public schooling doesn't teach history. It preaches "history". Don't put your kids in the public schooling prison system. Most private schools are just as bad, if not worse because private schools often preach religion as well. Unschooling may not be the answer but in the age of the internet, you can learn a lot more outside of school than in it. Mark Twain said"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed." Its the same with formal education
You can tell where they stand just from the title. No need to watch the video, you can tell from the title that they thik creativity and imagination are horrible and slavery is education, therefore great.
@smashballbrawler not putting your kids through education isnt stimulating creativity and imagination,how can you write a good poem without a wider vocabulary, how can you make music if you have never mingled with other people and experienced pain, rejection or acceptance, u cant invent without education, and if ur stuck at home what inspiration are u getting? theres no creativity or imagination when ur best source of information is the tv or ur computer
I will agree with you some what and say that parents that are not guiding their children towards learning is missing the point! True unschooling is not teaching your children or telling them to do something. It is providing an environment conducive to learning and leading by example! i can't say those shown in the video are doing that. I would not want my kids to be like that! Probably not the best example of a typical unschool family. Not mine!
We are homeschoolers who follow a more unschool approach to our life. My children are now 5 and 8, never been to school or day care. We do use some workbooks for basic stuff but don't waist to much time on them. We learn and talk all day. Kids will naturally ask questions about the world around them and when they do there is a book or a place you can discover to learn it!
First of all, the Good Morning America special on the family was NOT good. It was biased against them. I know this family personally, and they pointed out that they cut out all of the good footage they took.
And don't laugh at Kimi when she says she will prepare herself for college if need be, that was immature and totally uncalled for. If Kimi decides to go to college she will do just fine.
Obviously, neither of you have done much research on unschooling. Unschooling doesn't make you ignorant. I'm an unschooler, have been my whole life, and honestly, I have better grammar and spelling then most adults do. No, maybe I can't name all 50 presidents of the US, but that doesn't mean anything. If I was interested in it, I'd learn about it. The same exact way adults learn. Kids do have brains & know how to use them, we're not totally helpless like society makes us out to be.
for example I just took a few seconds from playing my violin to go look at news stuff and i'm 14 how many 14 year olds will go on youtube and look up news stuff ya there may be some people who are my age who do that kinda thing but i mean come on.
I don't want to be a mathematician, or a professor, or anything like that. A job like that would be a living hell for me.
I study art, politics, and psychology. Because I like to. And, hey! I can read! I can write! Shocking, isn't it?
I'm not some drooling buffoon who doesn't know any better. And you know what? I am studying math, even though I hate it. You know why? Because I want to get my GED. Unlike most kids who graduate from high school, I know EXACTLY what I want to do with my life.
@SaghettiUntitled Not all kids who go to a normal, public school are horrible or unmotivated. I know I'm not. Not all parents can spend the time to educate their kids. Not all parents want to. And public school has its merits. It puts you into situations with other groups of people who you may not meet otherwise. Volunteering is good, but you need to meet with those people in an equal setting. Many home-schooled kids I know aren't too good with that.
@Rosebunse I'm sorry if I've offended.. It's just annoying as heck to be constantly stereotyped as being irresponsible, immature, unmotivated, stupid, lazy, and academically and socially handicapped by every single person whom I dare tell my secret: I do not go to school.
People say I would be better off in public school.. But when I was in public school, I was horribly bullied by the students, AND the teachers... And I ended up being suicidally depressed at age *8*..
@SaghettiUntitled I'm sorry you had that experience. I was bullied too, but thankfully I got through it. I'm sorry your experience was so horrible. My experience wasn't perfect either, but I just get so mad when people look down on me for going to an inner city public school. It's like I'm an idiot just because I didn't go to a private school or was home schooled.
One is looked down upon for not going to school. But then one is looked down upon for going to public school. But then, private schoolers are also looked down upon for being 'pampered spoiled rotten rich kids who know nothing of the real world'...
There really is no way to win, is there?
It is in situations like these where people confuse me the most...
@SaghettiUntitled I think it's more of just a mutual level of dislike and fear of the other. I mean, that's why people send their kids to private schools and homeschool them. And then, after being told by everyone that you're a lesser person because your parents can't afford to give you anything better than public school you grow to resent the other two groups anyways. But yeah, no one can really win.
@SaghettiUntitled This is how I feel after leaving school. I am at university but I am tayloring my degree to exactly what I want to do. I've always learned better when I have decided to learn something myself rather than being forced to do it.
Most of my knowledge of programming and computer technology came from my own personal study outside of school time which is now helping me with my degree - I am way ahead of many peers who just did the basics in school.
Plus now I find out that the high school I went to doesn't even teach computing anymore. My younger brother has been completely let down by the school system and they are practically giving up and letting him spend most of the time out of class studying whatever he feels like, and he is trying to get work experience in areas which he was always interested in.
While I am totally opposed to unschooling, the one family I know that did it has surprisingly successful children. One self-taught himself computer science and now works in the IT dept of a Fortune500 company, one got a Bachelors and is now doing PR for a national nonprofit, and one operates a yoga/zumba studio. All 3 own their own homes, have no debt and lead good stable lives. Only one of them took Algebra or any type of science.
I don't think it's the way someone's educated but the way they interact with other people and their personality. I have known a couple of non-socialized homeschoolers but my fair share of un-socialized public school kids. If a parent is lazy and uninterested in their childs education then it can effect anyone, no matter how there being educated. I'm in 8th grade, and go to public schools. I have a good education and a list of goals. The public schools system has treated me fair so far.
I would have been fine being UNschooled, HOMEschooled, private, or public-schooled. I am very self-driven and I find myself waking up every single day saying, "I'd like to learn about the newest country in the world, South Sudan" or "I wonder if I can grow hydroponic tomatoes in recycled Pepsi bottles?" But I am the exception to the rule. I would venture to say that 99% of kids today would goof off, hang out with the Wii, and not even learn to read if they had their choice. This is horrifying!
@sj145sunny that's the problem with unschooling and homeschooling without a proper schedule. We aren't the norm: I'm like you, but I'm more for art and gardening than anything else. Right now I'm not in college and I had a very hard time the last few years I went to proper school (as in high school). I got bored easily, and I preferred to stay at home, or be somewhere else as long as it wasn't that depressing building itself. And the two years I was in college were murder for me. X.x
Im a senior in high school. Personally i think it is alright to be Home schooled or if you are in public school depending on your high school. My high school happens to be pretty solid (not claiming its perfect at all) but its decent. I get good grades and all that jazz. I know a guy that was home schooled until last year and the kid is ridiculously smart. It just depends on who teaches you. not where it is. but to be unschooled ? No teachings at all? IDK about all that but to each his own
I am not personally a big proponant of public education. But no chores? No rules? When the kids move out how are they going to know the basics of cleaning house, doing laundry, cooking??? Buying groceries? The parents must have removed a huge chunk of their brain to be so blind.
When I was in sales people seemed to appreciate that I was proficient in math, and could order their product properly. These kids will have to live in a serious bubble for the rest of their lives.
I home school but this is setting your kids up for failure. Life goes on beyond staying at home and they won't be equip to answer to a boss (rules) or do well in college....its dangerous to "set them free" in life when they answer to no one now? This is disappointing how irresponsible they are as parents.
@MyChangeThruRunning Firstly, learn to form a proper sentence. Secondly, homeschooling and unschooling is not the same. Homeschooling is like regular school with textbooks and curriculum, but just done at home. Uncschooling is, however, settng free the child, let him/her explore his/her own abilities, interests. This is, in fact, a perfect way to raise a child, though not suitable for every child. The way it is reflected here is not the actual case. I suggest you to read more about it.
This is a radical form of unschooled. We home school and have chosen to go more of the unschooled method. However we make sure that our kids have things to do that they will learn from on a daily basis. And they have chores. And they are taught math, science, music daily. We just do not follow a set book telling us what to teach every day.
okay...I LOVE high school. But I was "unschooled" until sophmore year of hs and I learned 1000000000000000000000000 times more than in stupid hs...so really?
My first year of high school...BAM...A+++'s so look at the PROOF and stop closing your mind to new possibilities and judging people as socially awkward or stupid!
All you need to get into a community college is good reading skills and basic algebra skills. If you are devoted, it is extremely easy to teach yourself enough math to get into a community college, and after that you can take college math courses and you can transfer to a four year school. It would definitely be possible to become a mathematician. How hard do you think college is? My dad is a doctor, and he spent the first year re-learning math since his public school sucked.
How much history, chemistry, physics, biology, etc do we actually remember after we have been to school??? Close to none, unless, it was a natural interest and then, I see no reason why unschoolers would not have a natural interest in these subjects and decide to research them for themselves. Also, I think it is important to make a distinction between unschooling and unparenting - and the video fails to do that.
This video is the first time I have ever heard of unschooling. I initially disagreed with it. Then I thought, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, that regardless if you were homeschooled or educated by "formal education", all the knowledge you possess originated from a unschooled person, because someone had to research or learn things on there own before they can be taught to others. So it can't be that bad. I still would not unschool though, unless their was no internet or tv in the house.
I believe in unschooling after maybe the 5th grade, before that a kid should be home schooled by the ones that love them most.
I for one went to public school for 14 years, preschool and K included and I only studied what I needed for that year of class and forgot it later on. I know I love to learn languages, I'm amazing in science, writing is my forte, and life is lesson enough.
Also, I'm in college, senior year, I have one life and I'm not wasting it on something I'll regret later.
You dolts. I taught myself Calculus, Biology, and Psychology before schools taught me and I learned MORE since I wasn't being primed to regurgitate for EOCs. I won't say I agree 100% with what this family does but I know people who don't have/want much of an education and still have a wealth of self-taught knowledge most people don't have and that they can apply to real life- unlike most things taught through public education.
Also, nice advertisements. I see exactly where your loyalties lie.
How horrifying! Parents making decisions for and with their kids instead of the State! "This is legal?" These critics are assuming that public schools are competent. They aren't! And these critics are comparing what they wanted to do on their free time after coming home from mind-numbing government school to what unschooled kids would want to learn.
@Voluntarian I went to public school and loved it because of that mind-numbing education, thank you very much. It taught me that there are going to be times when I'll have to do stuff that I really don't want to do and that I should just suck it up and do my best.
@Voluntarian And I don't care that many homeschooled kids are smug little know-it alls who believe that the rest of the country has no idea how to think.
The most important knowledge that you can use to succeed at anything in life is never taught in schools, why do you think so little of the population has most of the money? The parents in the video weren't providing direction to their children, they need to show their kids the beauty of knowledge and learning and the wonders it can do for your life. Kids don't know that, that's why we have parents to teach them that, not just let them watch TV all fucking day.
@rolson010 I would say that no matter what kind of schooling you chose, the kids NEED good parental support. Plenty of public school students have a wonderful time because their parents are involved. And even homeschooling can fail if the parent wants to do nothing. I know plenty of people who decided to do home schooling only to fail because their parents just weren't up for it.
Ugh, I don't even know where to start. Formal schools are not teaching anything worth value and all kids do is fuck around in class with all their friends. Look up Ph D Ralph Abraham talking about how mathematics is dead in schools. Studies have shown that 36% of COLLEGE grads learned close to nothing in 4 years. Those interviewers are dumb as fuck too. Most people don't need to know fucking chemistry and geometry and will probably never need that knowledge for anything in their lives...
@religonisalie lie to yourself all you want man, and there are just as many white families that have drug dealers as for boyfriends and abandon their children probably more, but thats not what I was talking about, I was talking about regular families who do at least care for their children and their decisions to raise them. There are many white families that do a great job at this, but there are many more that simply spoil there bratty kids, like in the video above
Oh and >:P duuuuhhhh, there are entry exams for every college so you're not placed in a class you can't handle. That's why they have Pre - Math and Pre - Writing classes full of ... not unschoolers but all the people that had that wonderful structure in highschool but still didn't learn the shit. The fact is it comes down to the kid and their needs. Unschooling won't work for everyone because just like you said, you would have watched TV all day. Not every child is so dim.
I love all the comments from people that have no idea what they are talking about. I was unschooled from the 3rd grade on. I have a Communications degree and I'm an EMT. My unschooling has never even been questioned for any job I've ever applied for. I did have the mind set slightly that the world revolved around me, which was perfect because so did every other teenage girl that went to regular school. Oh, and I've never known Algebra.
As a HOMESCHOOLER, not unschooler, I have to say that unschooling is okay if your unschooling say a young child. But for a high school student to be remotely successful needs a sound education. I have mainly A's, B's, with a few C's on my report card, but I also take application pleasing courses such as Latin and I have about a 10,000 dollars invested in to my education, and that still does not guarantee my ticket to a good college or a well paying career! So those kids chances are even worse!
@Milkhoney481 Yeah but why does everyone have to have the same kind of education or 'well-paying career' as you? Why can't people stop looking at 'what pays?' and look at 'what do I WANT to do?' I quit college because I realized it was bullshit and got a job to figure out what was RALLY going on, and now I know I'd be just as miserable with a four-plus year degree. When I go back in the fall it'll be to learn how to be my own boss, an option most people should be aware of. It's not about money.
Just how many influential people in history were self-taught? Too many to count... Thank God public/government schools didn't destroy their genius/curiosity!!!
@LibertyDownUnder I had a wonderful experience in an inner-city public school. Sure, I had all the fun experiences with people who didn't like me and doing subjects I hated, but I feel that I'm a stronger person because of it. While maybe home schooling is good for some students, it probably would not have worked for me. Plus, my family is kinda poor. We wouldn't have had the money to do anything or buy any of the equipment needed. And my mom was the only one working.
I would make kids go at least until they are sixteen then let them test out if they choose and go to college early if they want. I know some kids who did the GED and then went to a community college instead of their junior and senior years in high school. Then they transferred to a four year uni.
i'm sure unschooling could work&benefit particular families.it is the parents responsibility to provide opprotunites for children to learn.if parents provide&encourage the hard work it takes to learn&children are MORE motivated to learn than the public or homeschool cirriculum provides for, unschooling could be a great adventure.i agree its an injustice for parents to allow their children to make descisions unsupported by the parent.its unhealthy&neglect to let a kid choose no hygene.
Homeschooling is fine as long as you do it right; but unschooling? Those parents need to be punched in the face. They pretty much screwed their kids over. How are those kids supposed to get a job or into college with probably less education than a 5th grader?
@yoyomasterbrad Oh yes! Because EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE GRADUATE is getting a high-pay job of their choice right after graduation nowadays... What reality are you living in???
@kc0itf I didn't say that. How did you even get that from my comment? What I was saying is that these kids are getting many opportunities taken away from them because of their parents' choices.
@yoyomasterbrad How did I get that from your comment? Your whining that the unschooled kids won't have the same opportunities as their schooled counterparts... and I pointed out that opportunities are terrible for the mainstream because the school system has failed them AND they have a mountain of debt to show for it! Thus they are indentured servants!
Bucking the system doesn't sound all that bad after all... it's certainly CHEAPER!!!
@kc0itf They won't have the same opportunities; that's a fact. People are more likely to hire someone with a high school degree, than someone who stayed home all day. Colleges are more likely to accept a person who has a high school degree, than someone who doesn't. I'm not saying opportunities are great for someone with a college degree, because they aren't always, but at the very least you should try to swing the odds in your favor.
@yoyomasterbrad They won't have the same opportunities... you say that like it's a bad thing! Is everyone identical? Don't we all have separate interests? Should we all be obedient zombies?
So, being locked up in an artificial environment for 12+ years, with usually limited field trips in the "real world", having to ask to do the simplest and most natural things like getting a drink of water or using the toilet, and being ordered to take drugs if you misbehave.
@kc0itf Well, my problem with it is that I don't think it will be easy for unschooled kids to get decent paying jobs or get into college. If I see evidence that proves otherwise, I'll change my mind.
@yoyomasterbrad You're assuming two things: that they need to get jobs and that they want to go to college!
What if they create their own job! Live frugally? Just how much money is "decent"? Anymore, college is a SCAM! Offering degrees that can't be used for anything except getting a teaching job teaching the same useless topic. Piling up debt that eats into that "decent" paycheck. Google "uncollege" to see a new approach to life experience.
@kc0itf I guess, but wouldn't people with a formal education have the same opportunities? Couldn't someone with a high school degree create their own job or live frugally? Is it the parents' place to make that decision for their children? And you do realize that engineers, lawyers, doctors, and many many other positions require college degrees, and pay more than enough to pay off the college debt.
@yoyomasterbrad So it would seem there are opportunities regardless! Is it the parents' place? Why let the parents raise kids at all?! This all seems highly dangerous! What if the parents make a mistake somewhere?! Children should never know FAILURE!!
Once children are born, they should be sent off to government camps! Not allowed to interact with their parents at all until voting age!
The point is children already learn from their parents, why bother with the school building?!
@kc0itf Kids still have time to spend with their parents even if they go to public schools. We should bother with formal schooling because most parents have jobs and aren't qualified to teach kids up to the level they need to be ready for college. And how would an unschooled kid be qualified to be an engineer? A doctor? How about a lawyer? They wouldn't. Without formal schooling, it would be difficult finding people qualified for many positions.
@yoyomasterbrad Parents aren't qualified to teach their kids? In other words, parents are stupid, government knows best! I don't know about you, but I've had some terrible teachers who didn't know shit! But they have teaching credentials because he passed some tests to make it OFFICIAL!
Unless a certified teacher teaches your kid something, they don't learn squat?! Have you heard of books?
@yoyomasterbrad What about lawyers? What exactly do they contribute to society? We surely don't need them to understand the Constitution since it was designed to be read by We the People?
@kc0itf Well we do need lawyers to defend innocent people, and lawyers to convict guilty people. And you're completely ignoring the other positions! What about doctors? What about engineers? And all of the other positions that require college degrees? You're not convincing me.
@yoyomasterbrad What's that old saying? "Those who can't, teach!" Is that a good enough standard? What about apprenticeships? Learn directly from the best!
Without lawyers, we couldn't defend ourselves? So there are no incompetent lawyers out there? I can't speak for myself? What about a citizen's arrest?
wowww you guys are dumb. "they can't be professors, they can't be mathematicians." they can be whatever the hell they want to be! and btw, college isn't that hard... what idiots!
lolakat6 2 days ago
I think in another decade or so, schools will be gone. With the Internet these days and how quickly you can access information whenever you want, why waste time listening to a shitty teacher and reading from an outdated textbook at a building for 8 hours a day 5 days 9 months a year?
ThePhantom135 1 week ago
I disagree with unschooling, but I hate how this reporter is trying so hard to stigmatize it.
silos201 2 weeks ago
I went to public school, I got great grades, but I was a horrible student. I slept in class, I never paid attention, and often skipped school.. My only salvation an unschooling neighbor. If you had a question they would answer it. Now my daughter is a great student with bad grades. They improved only when I started to partially homeschool her. I was allowed to roam freely and learn what I wanted. I learned all i needed outside of school. I just went test days. Next year homeschooling full time.
NaturalVypahDiva357 2 weeks ago
i lovvve the idea of unschooling. I tested out of highschool at 17 and never did a bit of homework for really any of my time in public school and felt more unsocial in school than I ever did outside school. now I find myself constantly looking up topics like biology and history which I absolutely hate in school. my point is you were born curious and especially at a young age and its the parents job to fuel that fire and passion.
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Wow. Their opinions are based on lack of trust on children. They expect EVERY single unschooler to be an ignorant teenager. Work at McDonalds? Seriously, I've only seen people from traditional schools do that. I am responsible for my own education and I don't plan on being bossed around by "authorities," a term to describe strangers who have been bestowed some kind of power by an institution to do as they please. And they are going to justify that "it's for own own good."
mundaneaccount 3 weeks ago
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mundaneaccount 3 weeks ago
The information you have on the internet is 10000 times better than the ones in your text books. More frequent updates and not just written by one or two people. Also, teachers are faggots. Kids don't need to be controlled to learn. TYT you guys are ignorant.
anarchist4freedom 3 weeks ago
@bsidhom: [I'm not done. :)] That also brings up the question, "what about the subjects they don't teach in school?" I'm unschooled myself, and I want to go into Criminal Justice. There are no high schools in my area that teach courses in that area. According to College Board, there are over 600 college level majors. Most high schools don't teach interior design, civil engineering, religious topics, communications, or military intelligence.
WriteON15 4 weeks ago
@bsidhom: That's an excellent point, but I don't think it's a real problem. Unschoolers aren't just shut away in their homes; they do get exposure to a variety of concepts and ideas. I went to Splash! MIT, for instance, and there were a ton of unschoolers there, dabbling in everything from dance forms to languages and advanced math. For many unschoolers, the high school years are part independent study, part job experience, and part community college courses.
WriteON15 4 weeks ago
These two morons have no goddamn clue wtf theyre talking about.
They assume that children are incapable of finding their own interests. It has been proven time and time again that given the right parental influences, they children are VERY capable of educating themselves, and that their academic interests can be pursued of their own volition.
There were various alternative education techniques tried in the 60's. John Taylor Gatto. Google his work.
InContemplation 4 weeks ago
Has any unschooled child ever got accepted to Harvard? Or........any just decent university?
thesnare100 1 month ago
I fucking hate the guy on the young turks and the girl is a laughing dumb bitch
AnnaXOXOAdorable 1 month ago
Those poor children, bless their hearts. We homeschool & we know unschoolers. They are smart wonderful children whose parents took the time to guide them in different experiences. Parents' that felt it their responsibility to encourage higher learning. This video makes unschoolers look really bad.
NRLCGL02142011 1 month ago
I'm a home schooler in Mississippi (and I'm defiantly not one of the nerdy ones) it does have disadvantages and advantages and i heard the population of home schoolers is growing rapidly in Texas. But I do agree that unschooling is very bad for there children and I just think that's flat out wrong.
IronJon799 1 month ago
I'd like to know how much either of these use algebra, biology, and physics in their daily lives...
Courtneywiemann 1 month ago
But lack of education...I do.
trishastoner 1 month ago
Hi,
We are a family of 6 in TX who homeschool. Education and life are what you make of 'em! Our children use every learning opp regardless of its form. Our curriculum consist of pc time, tv time, textbooks, workbooks, lab, field, hands-on, and boardwork. I'm not a fan of unschooling as it was portrayed, but we do have hours, or a day, or a week in the summer when we free ourselves to open learning. Why are you not a fan of homeschooling? I don't object ps, but lack of I do!
trishastoner 1 month ago
when I was 10 I swallowed any book that came within my reach, but had so many rules and chores that I didnt have much time to do it, and going to school has more or less damaged my psyche (not cos of school it self though, but cos of the kids) so I cant go to college without feeling like the whole world is abt to kill me, from my point of view unschooling seems like a good idea, not for everyone, but for some...
emfri 1 month ago
they learn anything in school?
AnarchyEnsues 1 month ago
These kids are gonna hate their parents when they grow up for dooming them to a life of fast food workers.
NewYorkCityUSA7 1 month ago
@NewYorkCityUSA7 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA my sister was unschooled and she is studying neuroscience.
buckweetable 1 month ago
@buckweetable Your sister is the exception to the rule. Anyone with half a brain can look at these kids and tell they're gonna work minimum wage jobs.....if they're lucky.
NewYorkCityUSA7 1 month ago
Ah, this will probably get buried in the thousands of comments, but I'm wondering about the caption in this video, it doesn't match what they are saying.
thesnare100 1 month ago
*pardon my typos for I am on my iphone atm* Furthermore I did not recall much of anything I was forced to learn in public school. However once my passions fueled my interest and self education I retain most all of what I learn. Thank you very much.
karaseen 2 months ago
My two younger sisters and myself were all unschooled for the latter part of our adolescent education and It DOES "work that way" in that we are all EXTREMELY interested in physics, biology & numerous other high level educational topics are concerned all of our own self motivation. The Young Turk have no clue of what they are speaking here.
karaseen 2 months ago
@FASSY524 I don't feel that I've ever missed anything by not going to dances or participating in "real school", but I would love to be surrounded by other free learners. :) What you're suggesting actually exists: google "free school"
WriteON15 2 months ago
@3GBlog Thanks for your comment, but I don't really get your point. I never claimed to be "special", either, or anything else I felt worthy of an attack. Maybe you could explain a little bit?
WriteON15 2 months ago
Haha, grow pickles! Sillies, you don't do that ;)
justbecause2014 2 months ago
These people are stupid. "Explore things and maybe you'll like them?" Reporter Lady, where have you been?! TV was invented over 50 years ago! The Internet has been around for over a decade! 99.9% of what people know about they discover on their own. You may not learn how far Mars is from Earth by watching TV, but you will get a general sense of what Mars, other planets, space, etc are and if you want to study them you'll know it. Common sense.
Ocelllian2 2 months ago
I feel like it would be better to do something that goes in between schooling and unschooling. Like, have a school that uses unschooling techniques but has some bit of structure to allow them to have goals. So it would be like an Unschooling K-12 that is in its own homey building more like the Horace Mann buildings which were much like a huge house. The reason I say this is because I feel like things like Prom and school activities are very important to have as well as social lives from school
FASSY524 2 months ago
i'm will ask, if they use geometry to make that show, or fisics to narrate some news, or maybe they make algebra formulas to pick up the news that they talk in every show...
the question is, are they learning rather if it home schooling, school or unschool, are they learnig hoy to live or how to earn a living, they are learning how to think or what to think, what ever the case may be, what is fact!! is that the school system is delivering the most ignorant and underachieving amerians ever be4
DespiertaOveja 2 months ago
Still better than publik skools.
areyoublinddenver 3 months ago
The parents at the beginning are not representative of all homeschools. They chose the more extreme version of homeschooling to bring dumb preception about it. Homeschooling bring forth higher scores, but I think the question is whether they would adapt to the world outside home, some do terrrific: homeschool isn't just learning at home believe it or not.
Creationcreed 3 months ago
the subtitles (closed captions) on this are hilarious!
kozychik 3 months ago
Hey, did you hear? There's a new technology where they can take the information from schools and put them on thin pieces of wood. They take these pieces of wood and put them in these buildings called "Libraries". There's also a way they can put the information from school on the internet. Amazing isn't it?
gexgekko99 3 months ago 10
that guys a jerk, he is so out of touch. Enstein was homeschooled - you wouldn't know that unless you were homeschooled yourself. Broaden your horizons.
nicklyndy 3 months ago
Hahahahahha Pickle Farmer hahahhahaha
ReligionIsSophistry 3 months ago
After those 3 months I was unschooled again and I have no plans of going back to school until collage. I do what I enjoy doing...Pursuing my interests like photography, photo editing, and dancing. I think I've gotten somewhere with all of them, I have 80 contacts on flickr, and I take 3 dance classes a week and I've been dancing since I was three. Does this make me stupid? I don't think so. And BTW pickles are fermented cucumbers. (Sorry if this sounded rude/conceded. x3)
supmynamesanna 3 months ago
I have to disagree highly with this video. I am 12 years old and I've been unschooled since 1st grade. I went back to school for the last three months of 3rd grade after doing no curriculum what-so-ever, and I got all A's in everything but spelling which I got a B on. I did better then some of the kids that had been going to school all their lives. After that I was unschooled again and I currently have no plans of going back to school until collage. 1/2
supmynamesanna 3 months ago
Diiiiissssliiiiiiikkkkeeeeeeee.
buckweetable 3 months ago
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@cml4456 If Obama has no chance, you should be free of worries.
Let's wait and see, and then we can put this "debate" to rest after the elction.
Palin was clearly the WRONG ingredient in a "winning recipe". She is Republican party poison. Only an idiot would disagree with those facts. Palin has no clue. Those claiming she does don't either.
multitalentino 3 months ago
Damn why pass up a high school degree, the only free legit degree you will ever get? :S
Krogoth04 4 months ago
@Krogoth04
There is no such thing as a high school degree. It is a high school diploma.
morosepoet 1 month ago
@morosepoet oops, my bad.To anyone who reads my comment in the future, replace "degree" with "diploma."
Krogoth04 1 month ago
I was a reader at 10, and I even read about history, but that was because I liked history and literature. You best believe I didn't go anwhere near a math or biology book unless I was forced; but looking back, I'm glad someone made me learn stuff I didn't like, because, as an adult, I recongize that knowing things about a wide variety of subjects is called being a well-rounded, educated person. These parents just want kids to raise themselves. It doesn't work that way, i'm afraid.
ShalomDove 4 months ago
Textbook guide on how to fuck up your children's future.
Bloodlovefreak 4 months ago
Every homeschooler I've ever met has been fairly bright, and socially pants on head retarded.
Meatbag211 4 months ago
i wish this idiot would elaborate on why he doesn't agree with home schooling!
gnarlyharley71 4 months ago
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gnarlyharley71 4 months ago
What a one sided hit piece by those *sarcasm* brilliant intellectuals known as the young turks
veritasunleashed 4 months ago
How often do 99% of people use chemistry, biology or physics in their everyday lives? Never.
The point of it is that kids will learn and do what they're naturally drawn to and interested in. If you care about what you're learning, you'll learn better and faster. If they wanted to be mathematicians, chemists, physicists or whatever, then they would study for those things and ignore kickball, poetry and all of the other shit that they don't care about and don't need to learn anyway.
KagarBeardtooth 4 months ago
@KagarBeardtooth
Actually, you use it all the time. You just don't realise it's happening unless you learn about it.
You present a poor argument for unschooling- I am an unschooler myself, but you kind of make it look like a free pass to funville. It's not- it's about being given the responsibility of self-determined education. You still have to learn the important stuff- it's just that the onus is on you to decide what that is.
Treemeadow 3 months ago
@Treemeadow
"You still have to learn the important stuff- it's just that the onus is on you to decide what that is."
Exactly right. And what if your kid decides that "important stuff" doesn't include chemistry or physics? To impose a course of study on your child would make you and ordinary homeschooler, not an unschooler.
Also, please explain how you, not being a biologist or a chemist or a physicist, use biology, chemistry and physics in your everyday life?
KagarBeardtooth 3 months ago
@KagarBeardtooth
Everytime I wash the dishes, everytime I turn on my heater, every move I make, everytime I drop something, everytime I look at a rainbow, everytime I try to mix a pallette of paint or change the lighting effects for a stage show, everytime I see something and wonder why (and therefore, look it up) I...for god's sake, man, I could literally go on forever- everything we do incorporates elements of these sciences. That's why they're called Science
*I* was unschooled, not my kids
Treemeadow 3 months ago
Not to mention everytime I have to take medication- I always read the label, and having studied chemistry just through reading allows me to know what is going into my body.
Everytime I set up a system of pulleys to help me build something, I'm using the physical concepts of Levers and Conversion of Energy. All this stuff I got from reading basic science books at the Library.
It's not reasonable to say that nobody uses these sciences. It's just that they don't know they do.
Treemeadow 3 months ago
@Treemeadow
"Everytime I set up a system of pulleys to help me build something, I'm using the physical concepts of Levers and Conversion of Energy. All this stuff I got from reading basic science books at the Library."
It is important to note that you searched out this knowledge on your own when the need for it arose. That is the basic idea behind unschooling. Kids can learn to use pulleys just as you did, seeking out the information when needed, not by being forced to sleep through lectures.
KagarBeardtooth 3 months ago
@Treemeadow
"Everytime I wash the dishes, everytime I turn on my heater, every move I make, everytime I drop something, everytime I look at a rainbow, everytime I try to mix a pallette of paint or change the lighting effects for a stage show..."
None of these activities require you to be learned in the sciences. Science only came into play when some of those devices/products were invented and manufactured by others, not when you used them.
KagarBeardtooth 3 months ago
@KagarBeardtooth
At the end of the day, if my own children decide that they don't want to study Chemistry or physics, at least not formally, I know it's not going to effect them negatively- but I have a feeling it won't work like that, because as an Unschooling parent, I'd do my best to introduce them to all the sciences through games and books that I place in our home library, and by visiting museums and University science days.
It's school without a formal curriculum, we still guide them.
Treemeadow 3 months ago
@Treemeadow
"I'd do my best to introduce them to all the sciences through games and books that I place in our home library, and by visiting museums and University science days.
It's school without a formal curriculum, we still guide them."
Perfect!
KagarBeardtooth 3 months ago
Also, I think this is a very ignorant video to make. It seems like you've made a judgement by just watching a news report and being like "nah that would never work".
You're supposed to be media right? Did you try talking to any unschooled children, or adults who were unschooled?
Did you try reading anything about it online, or any of the research that's been done?
sharperguy 4 months ago
No kids aren't the centre of the universe, headmasters and beurocrats are!
sharperguy 4 months ago
Should I be insulted? I've "sought knowledge out of my natural curiosity". If I'm the only person left who does this, I fear for humanity as a whole, not unschoolers.
A person very dear to me is entirely unschooled as far as his technological education, and he has made some amazing things. Another unschooler I know has a small business. Yet another is involved in community theater and is a delightful, (and may I add) well adjusted young woman.
And you don't grow pickles.
WriteON15 5 months ago 6
@WriteON15 Theres a difference between reading a wikipedia article on a topic that interests you and depriving your children of a formal education. You're not special, just pretentious.
3GBlog 2 months ago
@WriteON15 You are missing a VERY important point here: that you can only have a desire to seek that which you have seen. The whole point of education is to mandate some level of exposure so that at the very least a child can choose that he wants to go no further and opt out. A child will readily pursue a subject that interests him, but only after after having discovered it.
bsidhom 4 weeks ago
Most lower class kids in England are unschooled. They go to school, they don't learn a fucking thing, then they leave school absolutely lost. Some take up access courses to catch up what they should have learnt for the previous ten years or try to go it alone without any qualification and go look for a job.
EllyMcCormack 5 months ago
haha, they are really proofing how stupid they are themselves. It's not because they would play all day long that they will keep playing. Most will eventually see grown ups and other kids do things that they are interested in doing themselves. Unschooled (or sudburry) children are often very succesfull later on.
But the most important thing is: why waste time teaching things to children that they will never use anyways? algebra etcetera is easily learned at an older age when necessary.
kittyminty 5 months ago
haha, they are really proofing how stupid they are themselves. It's not because they would play all day long that they will keep playing. Most will eventually see grown ups and other kids do things that they are interested in doing themselves. Unschooled (or sudburry) children are often very succesfull later on.
But the most important thing is: why waste time teaching things to children that they will never use anyways? algebra etcetera is easily learned at an older age when necessary.
kittyminty 5 months ago
I love how ABC puts unschooling in such a bad light. I've never heard of an unschooler who's parents had NO RULES WHATSOEVER. That's not what's it's about. It doesn't have anything to do with home life.
expertsk8er79 5 months ago
It's funny how these guys (TV hosts) make fun of Unschooling, calling unschoolers "ignorants"; my question is: Does any of you remember much of the math, physics, chemistry or history you saw at school? I'm pretty sure you don't! If you do it's because you had to pick them up again at college (forcefully). We learn, remember the useful and forget the useless, it's that simple. This guy would fail a test on the very subjects he mentioned; does that make him stupid? Well, he behaves like one...!!!
Freethinker45 5 months ago
cenk's and his institutionalized brain hasn't stopped to consider how often he uses algebra or chemistry in his daily life.
58robbo 5 months ago
public school works for me because im working with teachers who are professional, who know their subject, and if u have questions or are uncertain about something they are there as a resource, many kids dont realize the importance of education until its too late, or when theyre successful it's training for the future, u wouldnt push your kids out of an airplane without a parachute, and you shouldnt send ur kids into the world without preparation
incomparableguy 5 months ago
Charlotte Iserbyt: The Miseducation of America Part 1-Full
evesrib 5 months ago
Unschooling is stupid and your kids will end up knowing practically nothing about the world. However, public schools aren't much better. I was home schooled and it was the best thing that could have happened in terms of education. My parents were pretty strict and made sure that I did a certain amount of school. When I was in 7th grade I was several years ahead of kids in public schools. It also depends on the parents and these are not good. They're going to ruin their kids education.
TheVenoros 5 months ago
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evesrib 5 months ago
Well you can tell that these two idiots weren't homeschooled because if they would have been then they would know that you don't grow pickles......you grow cucumbers!!! I am a homeschooling mother of four very bright, well educated kids. I am a product of the public school system and, even though I graduated at the top of my class, I have learned so much more through homeschooling my own children than I ever did in the classroom!
isntitobvious1 5 months ago 17
@isntitobvious1 they were talking about unschooling not homeschooling you dumbass
nkelly1432 1 month ago
If school did such a wonderful job preparing children for college - the majority of high school graduates would not drop out, lol. All you need to know is how to read, write, and do basic math.
evesrib 5 months ago 2
It's a lovely thought, but eventually those kids will grow up and have to function in a real world that has schedules, deadlines and expectations. Say what you will about education and choice, but a parents job is to prepare their kids for the world. These parents are doing their kids a huge disservice.
moronicnotions 5 months ago
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evesrib 5 months ago
Public schooling doesn't teach history. It preaches "history". Don't put your kids in the public schooling prison system. Most private schools are just as bad, if not worse because private schools often preach religion as well. Unschooling may not be the answer but in the age of the internet, you can learn a lot more outside of school than in it. Mark Twain said"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed." Its the same with formal education
ih8ronpaulh8ers 6 months ago
You can tell where they stand just from the title. No need to watch the video, you can tell from the title that they thik creativity and imagination are horrible and slavery is education, therefore great.
smashballbrawler 6 months ago
@smashballbrawler not putting your kids through education isnt stimulating creativity and imagination,how can you write a good poem without a wider vocabulary, how can you make music if you have never mingled with other people and experienced pain, rejection or acceptance, u cant invent without education, and if ur stuck at home what inspiration are u getting? theres no creativity or imagination when ur best source of information is the tv or ur computer
incomparableguy 5 months ago
I will agree with you some what and say that parents that are not guiding their children towards learning is missing the point! True unschooling is not teaching your children or telling them to do something. It is providing an environment conducive to learning and leading by example! i can't say those shown in the video are doing that. I would not want my kids to be like that! Probably not the best example of a typical unschool family. Not mine!
cahomebizmom 6 months ago
We are homeschoolers who follow a more unschool approach to our life. My children are now 5 and 8, never been to school or day care. We do use some workbooks for basic stuff but don't waist to much time on them. We learn and talk all day. Kids will naturally ask questions about the world around them and when they do there is a book or a place you can discover to learn it!
cahomebizmom 6 months ago
First of all, the Good Morning America special on the family was NOT good. It was biased against them. I know this family personally, and they pointed out that they cut out all of the good footage they took.
And don't laugh at Kimi when she says she will prepare herself for college if need be, that was immature and totally uncalled for. If Kimi decides to go to college she will do just fine.
bradyfe 6 months ago
Obviously, neither of you have done much research on unschooling. Unschooling doesn't make you ignorant. I'm an unschooler, have been my whole life, and honestly, I have better grammar and spelling then most adults do. No, maybe I can't name all 50 presidents of the US, but that doesn't mean anything. If I was interested in it, I'd learn about it. The same exact way adults learn. Kids do have brains & know how to use them, we're not totally helpless like society makes us out to be.
StupidTalkingTree 6 months ago
LMFAO I can't stop laughing every time I hear Cenk say "[...] or be a pickle farmer." LOLOLOLOL
EftahYaSemsem1991 6 months ago
oh wow i posted a lot of comments
buckweetable 6 months ago
for example I just took a few seconds from playing my violin to go look at news stuff and i'm 14 how many 14 year olds will go on youtube and look up news stuff ya there may be some people who are my age who do that kinda thing but i mean come on.
buckweetable 6 months ago
Oh i wish i could talk to though's people and give them BOTH a peace of my mind.
i really cant put into words how i am feeling right now.
buckweetable 6 months ago
@buckweetable Oh I* wish I* could talk to those* people and give them BOTH a piece* of my mind.
I* really can't put into words how I* am feeling right now.
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@The1stGreenBastard There we go I just LEARNED WITHOUT SCHOOL thanks for proving my point
now I will start spelling that way and again I just learned some stuff without school thanks again for proving my point. =D
buckweetable 6 months ago
I don't want to be a mathematician, or a professor, or anything like that. A job like that would be a living hell for me.
I study art, politics, and psychology. Because I like to. And, hey! I can read! I can write! Shocking, isn't it?
I'm not some drooling buffoon who doesn't know any better. And you know what? I am studying math, even though I hate it. You know why? Because I want to get my GED. Unlike most kids who graduate from high school, I know EXACTLY what I want to do with my life.
SaghettiUntitled 6 months ago 15
@SaghettiUntitled Not all kids who go to a normal, public school are horrible or unmotivated. I know I'm not. Not all parents can spend the time to educate their kids. Not all parents want to. And public school has its merits. It puts you into situations with other groups of people who you may not meet otherwise. Volunteering is good, but you need to meet with those people in an equal setting. Many home-schooled kids I know aren't too good with that.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
@Rosebunse I'm sorry if I've offended.. It's just annoying as heck to be constantly stereotyped as being irresponsible, immature, unmotivated, stupid, lazy, and academically and socially handicapped by every single person whom I dare tell my secret: I do not go to school.
People say I would be better off in public school.. But when I was in public school, I was horribly bullied by the students, AND the teachers... And I ended up being suicidally depressed at age *8*..
How f'd up is that? ...
SaghettiUntitled 6 months ago
@SaghettiUntitled I'm sorry you had that experience. I was bullied too, but thankfully I got through it. I'm sorry your experience was so horrible. My experience wasn't perfect either, but I just get so mad when people look down on me for going to an inner city public school. It's like I'm an idiot just because I didn't go to a private school or was home schooled.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
@Rosebunse That is interesting...
One is looked down upon for not going to school. But then one is looked down upon for going to public school. But then, private schoolers are also looked down upon for being 'pampered spoiled rotten rich kids who know nothing of the real world'...
There really is no way to win, is there?
It is in situations like these where people confuse me the most...
SaghettiUntitled 6 months ago
@SaghettiUntitled I think it's more of just a mutual level of dislike and fear of the other. I mean, that's why people send their kids to private schools and homeschool them. And then, after being told by everyone that you're a lesser person because your parents can't afford to give you anything better than public school you grow to resent the other two groups anyways. But yeah, no one can really win.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
@SaghettiUntitled This is how I feel after leaving school. I am at university but I am tayloring my degree to exactly what I want to do. I've always learned better when I have decided to learn something myself rather than being forced to do it.
Most of my knowledge of programming and computer technology came from my own personal study outside of school time which is now helping me with my degree - I am way ahead of many peers who just did the basics in school.
sharperguy 4 months ago
Plus now I find out that the high school I went to doesn't even teach computing anymore. My younger brother has been completely let down by the school system and they are practically giving up and letting him spend most of the time out of class studying whatever he feels like, and he is trying to get work experience in areas which he was always interested in.
sharperguy 4 months ago
All formal education is propaganda. I wish I had been unschooled. I think I would've done a better job being my own teacher.
SkullOfYorick 6 months ago
these two presenters are such ignorant fucks.
jacquesnes 6 months ago 2
While I am totally opposed to unschooling, the one family I know that did it has surprisingly successful children. One self-taught himself computer science and now works in the IT dept of a Fortune500 company, one got a Bachelors and is now doing PR for a national nonprofit, and one operates a yoga/zumba studio. All 3 own their own homes, have no debt and lead good stable lives. Only one of them took Algebra or any type of science.
MsMeYesMe 6 months ago
I don't think it's the way someone's educated but the way they interact with other people and their personality. I have known a couple of non-socialized homeschoolers but my fair share of un-socialized public school kids. If a parent is lazy and uninterested in their childs education then it can effect anyone, no matter how there being educated. I'm in 8th grade, and go to public schools. I have a good education and a list of goals. The public schools system has treated me fair so far.
133caboose 6 months ago
thumbs up if u like 0:00-0:09 youl see wat im talkin bout........
Ultimat3Mogakan 7 months ago
I would have been fine being UNschooled, HOMEschooled, private, or public-schooled. I am very self-driven and I find myself waking up every single day saying, "I'd like to learn about the newest country in the world, South Sudan" or "I wonder if I can grow hydroponic tomatoes in recycled Pepsi bottles?" But I am the exception to the rule. I would venture to say that 99% of kids today would goof off, hang out with the Wii, and not even learn to read if they had their choice. This is horrifying!
sj145sunny 7 months ago
@sj145sunny that's the problem with unschooling and homeschooling without a proper schedule. We aren't the norm: I'm like you, but I'm more for art and gardening than anything else. Right now I'm not in college and I had a very hard time the last few years I went to proper school (as in high school). I got bored easily, and I preferred to stay at home, or be somewhere else as long as it wasn't that depressing building itself. And the two years I was in college were murder for me. X.x
akissy 7 months ago
Im a senior in high school. Personally i think it is alright to be Home schooled or if you are in public school depending on your high school. My high school happens to be pretty solid (not claiming its perfect at all) but its decent. I get good grades and all that jazz. I know a guy that was home schooled until last year and the kid is ridiculously smart. It just depends on who teaches you. not where it is. but to be unschooled ? No teachings at all? IDK about all that but to each his own
BrooklynJEW7 7 months ago
I am not personally a big proponant of public education. But no chores? No rules? When the kids move out how are they going to know the basics of cleaning house, doing laundry, cooking??? Buying groceries? The parents must have removed a huge chunk of their brain to be so blind.
When I was in sales people seemed to appreciate that I was proficient in math, and could order their product properly. These kids will have to live in a serious bubble for the rest of their lives.
CAmom75 7 months ago
I home school but this is setting your kids up for failure. Life goes on beyond staying at home and they won't be equip to answer to a boss (rules) or do well in college....its dangerous to "set them free" in life when they answer to no one now? This is disappointing how irresponsible they are as parents.
MyChangeThruRunning 7 months ago
@MyChangeThruRunning Firstly, learn to form a proper sentence. Secondly, homeschooling and unschooling is not the same. Homeschooling is like regular school with textbooks and curriculum, but just done at home. Uncschooling is, however, settng free the child, let him/her explore his/her own abilities, interests. This is, in fact, a perfect way to raise a child, though not suitable for every child. The way it is reflected here is not the actual case. I suggest you to read more about it.
TTunczz 7 months ago
This is a radical form of unschooled. We home school and have chosen to go more of the unschooled method. However we make sure that our kids have things to do that they will learn from on a daily basis. And they have chores. And they are taught math, science, music daily. We just do not follow a set book telling us what to teach every day.
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VickyVicVicx 7 months ago
okay...I LOVE high school. But I was "unschooled" until sophmore year of hs and I learned 1000000000000000000000000 times more than in stupid hs...so really?
My first year of high school...BAM...A+++'s so look at the PROOF and stop closing your mind to new possibilities and judging people as socially awkward or stupid!
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VickyVicVicx 7 months ago
All you need to get into a community college is good reading skills and basic algebra skills. If you are devoted, it is extremely easy to teach yourself enough math to get into a community college, and after that you can take college math courses and you can transfer to a four year school. It would definitely be possible to become a mathematician. How hard do you think college is? My dad is a doctor, and he spent the first year re-learning math since his public school sucked.
quertillia 7 months ago
How much history, chemistry, physics, biology, etc do we actually remember after we have been to school??? Close to none, unless, it was a natural interest and then, I see no reason why unschoolers would not have a natural interest in these subjects and decide to research them for themselves. Also, I think it is important to make a distinction between unschooling and unparenting - and the video fails to do that.
sylviepajot 7 months ago
This video is the first time I have ever heard of unschooling. I initially disagreed with it. Then I thought, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, that regardless if you were homeschooled or educated by "formal education", all the knowledge you possess originated from a unschooled person, because someone had to research or learn things on there own before they can be taught to others. So it can't be that bad. I still would not unschool though, unless their was no internet or tv in the house.
mdominik86 7 months ago
I believe in unschooling after maybe the 5th grade, before that a kid should be home schooled by the ones that love them most.
I for one went to public school for 14 years, preschool and K included and I only studied what I needed for that year of class and forgot it later on. I know I love to learn languages, I'm amazing in science, writing is my forte, and life is lesson enough.
Also, I'm in college, senior year, I have one life and I'm not wasting it on something I'll regret later.
DemenaDemiSelena 7 months ago
You dolts. I taught myself Calculus, Biology, and Psychology before schools taught me and I learned MORE since I wasn't being primed to regurgitate for EOCs. I won't say I agree 100% with what this family does but I know people who don't have/want much of an education and still have a wealth of self-taught knowledge most people don't have and that they can apply to real life- unlike most things taught through public education.
Also, nice advertisements. I see exactly where your loyalties lie.
PickPocketChaz 7 months ago
How horrifying! Parents making decisions for and with their kids instead of the State! "This is legal?" These critics are assuming that public schools are competent. They aren't! And these critics are comparing what they wanted to do on their free time after coming home from mind-numbing government school to what unschooled kids would want to learn.
Voluntarian 7 months ago
@Voluntarian I went to public school and loved it because of that mind-numbing education, thank you very much. It taught me that there are going to be times when I'll have to do stuff that I really don't want to do and that I should just suck it up and do my best.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
@Rosebunse I don't care.
Voluntarian 6 months ago
@Voluntarian And I don't care that many homeschooled kids are smug little know-it alls who believe that the rest of the country has no idea how to think.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
@religonisalie its what im best at bro, that and sucking dick, they are my profession and my hobby
kazekage321414 7 months ago
The most important knowledge that you can use to succeed at anything in life is never taught in schools, why do you think so little of the population has most of the money? The parents in the video weren't providing direction to their children, they need to show their kids the beauty of knowledge and learning and the wonders it can do for your life. Kids don't know that, that's why we have parents to teach them that, not just let them watch TV all fucking day.
rolson010 7 months ago
@rolson010 I would say that no matter what kind of schooling you chose, the kids NEED good parental support. Plenty of public school students have a wonderful time because their parents are involved. And even homeschooling can fail if the parent wants to do nothing. I know plenty of people who decided to do home schooling only to fail because their parents just weren't up for it.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
Ugh, I don't even know where to start. Formal schools are not teaching anything worth value and all kids do is fuck around in class with all their friends. Look up Ph D Ralph Abraham talking about how mathematics is dead in schools. Studies have shown that 36% of COLLEGE grads learned close to nothing in 4 years. Those interviewers are dumb as fuck too. Most people don't need to know fucking chemistry and geometry and will probably never need that knowledge for anything in their lives...
rolson010 7 months ago
@religonisalie lie to yourself all you want man, and there are just as many white families that have drug dealers as for boyfriends and abandon their children probably more, but thats not what I was talking about, I was talking about regular families who do at least care for their children and their decisions to raise them. There are many white families that do a great job at this, but there are many more that simply spoil there bratty kids, like in the video above
thanks for reading, fruitcake
kazekage321414 7 months ago
Oh and >:P duuuuhhhh, there are entry exams for every college so you're not placed in a class you can't handle. That's why they have Pre - Math and Pre - Writing classes full of ... not unschoolers but all the people that had that wonderful structure in highschool but still didn't learn the shit. The fact is it comes down to the kid and their needs. Unschooling won't work for everyone because just like you said, you would have watched TV all day. Not every child is so dim.
angelhatesyou75217 7 months ago
I love all the comments from people that have no idea what they are talking about. I was unschooled from the 3rd grade on. I have a Communications degree and I'm an EMT. My unschooling has never even been questioned for any job I've ever applied for. I did have the mind set slightly that the world revolved around me, which was perfect because so did every other teenage girl that went to regular school. Oh, and I've never known Algebra.
angelhatesyou75217 7 months ago
As a HOMESCHOOLER, not unschooler, I have to say that unschooling is okay if your unschooling say a young child. But for a high school student to be remotely successful needs a sound education. I have mainly A's, B's, with a few C's on my report card, but I also take application pleasing courses such as Latin and I have about a 10,000 dollars invested in to my education, and that still does not guarantee my ticket to a good college or a well paying career! So those kids chances are even worse!
Milkhoney481 8 months ago
@Milkhoney481 Yeah but why does everyone have to have the same kind of education or 'well-paying career' as you? Why can't people stop looking at 'what pays?' and look at 'what do I WANT to do?' I quit college because I realized it was bullshit and got a job to figure out what was RALLY going on, and now I know I'd be just as miserable with a four-plus year degree. When I go back in the fall it'll be to learn how to be my own boss, an option most people should be aware of. It's not about money.
PickPocketChaz 7 months ago
Unschooling, to me, sounds like a new word for lazy parenting.
rylraven13 8 months ago 2
Just how many influential people in history were self-taught? Too many to count... Thank God public/government schools didn't destroy their genius/curiosity!!!
kc0itf 8 months ago
TYT are freaking morons. I suggest you look up Astra Taylors speech on unschooling. TYT is missing the point entirely! No surprise there.
FarmingFractals 8 months ago
Anything beats the US public schools.
I'm glad the TYT is spreading this message, even if their intention was to discredit the parents.
LibertyDownUnder 8 months ago 23
@LibertyDownUnder I had a wonderful experience in an inner-city public school. Sure, I had all the fun experiences with people who didn't like me and doing subjects I hated, but I feel that I'm a stronger person because of it. While maybe home schooling is good for some students, it probably would not have worked for me. Plus, my family is kinda poor. We wouldn't have had the money to do anything or buy any of the equipment needed. And my mom was the only one working.
Rosebunse 6 months ago
Man. If that announcer was unschooled he might be less dorky.
kerrileannestudio 8 months ago
I would make kids go at least until they are sixteen then let them test out if they choose and go to college early if they want. I know some kids who did the GED and then went to a community college instead of their junior and senior years in high school. Then they transferred to a four year uni.
zippy476 8 months ago
i'm sure unschooling could work&benefit particular families.it is the parents responsibility to provide opprotunites for children to learn.if parents provide&encourage the hard work it takes to learn&children are MORE motivated to learn than the public or homeschool cirriculum provides for, unschooling could be a great adventure.i agree its an injustice for parents to allow their children to make descisions unsupported by the parent.its unhealthy&neglect to let a kid choose no hygene.
sdsunshiness 8 months ago
Homeschooling is fine as long as you do it right; but unschooling? Those parents need to be punched in the face. They pretty much screwed their kids over. How are those kids supposed to get a job or into college with probably less education than a 5th grader?
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad Oh yes! Because EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE GRADUATE is getting a high-pay job of their choice right after graduation nowadays... What reality are you living in???
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf I didn't say that. How did you even get that from my comment? What I was saying is that these kids are getting many opportunities taken away from them because of their parents' choices.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad How did I get that from your comment? Your whining that the unschooled kids won't have the same opportunities as their schooled counterparts... and I pointed out that opportunities are terrible for the mainstream because the school system has failed them AND they have a mountain of debt to show for it! Thus they are indentured servants!
Bucking the system doesn't sound all that bad after all... it's certainly CHEAPER!!!
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf They won't have the same opportunities; that's a fact. People are more likely to hire someone with a high school degree, than someone who stayed home all day. Colleges are more likely to accept a person who has a high school degree, than someone who doesn't. I'm not saying opportunities are great for someone with a college degree, because they aren't always, but at the very least you should try to swing the odds in your favor.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad They won't have the same opportunities... you say that like it's a bad thing! Is everyone identical? Don't we all have separate interests? Should we all be obedient zombies?
So, being locked up in an artificial environment for 12+ years, with usually limited field trips in the "real world", having to ask to do the simplest and most natural things like getting a drink of water or using the toilet, and being ordered to take drugs if you misbehave.
But learning at home is bad!!
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf Well, my problem with it is that I don't think it will be easy for unschooled kids to get decent paying jobs or get into college. If I see evidence that proves otherwise, I'll change my mind.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad You're assuming two things: that they need to get jobs and that they want to go to college!
What if they create their own job! Live frugally? Just how much money is "decent"? Anymore, college is a SCAM! Offering degrees that can't be used for anything except getting a teaching job teaching the same useless topic. Piling up debt that eats into that "decent" paycheck. Google "uncollege" to see a new approach to life experience.
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf I guess, but wouldn't people with a formal education have the same opportunities? Couldn't someone with a high school degree create their own job or live frugally? Is it the parents' place to make that decision for their children? And you do realize that engineers, lawyers, doctors, and many many other positions require college degrees, and pay more than enough to pay off the college debt.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad So it would seem there are opportunities regardless! Is it the parents' place? Why let the parents raise kids at all?! This all seems highly dangerous! What if the parents make a mistake somewhere?! Children should never know FAILURE!!
Once children are born, they should be sent off to government camps! Not allowed to interact with their parents at all until voting age!
The point is children already learn from their parents, why bother with the school building?!
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf Kids still have time to spend with their parents even if they go to public schools. We should bother with formal schooling because most parents have jobs and aren't qualified to teach kids up to the level they need to be ready for college. And how would an unschooled kid be qualified to be an engineer? A doctor? How about a lawyer? They wouldn't. Without formal schooling, it would be difficult finding people qualified for many positions.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad Parents aren't qualified to teach their kids? In other words, parents are stupid, government knows best! I don't know about you, but I've had some terrible teachers who didn't know shit! But they have teaching credentials because he passed some tests to make it OFFICIAL!
Unless a certified teacher teaches your kid something, they don't learn squat?! Have you heard of books?
kc0itf 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad What about lawyers? What exactly do they contribute to society? We surely don't need them to understand the Constitution since it was designed to be read by We the People?
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf Well we do need lawyers to defend innocent people, and lawyers to convict guilty people. And you're completely ignoring the other positions! What about doctors? What about engineers? And all of the other positions that require college degrees? You're not convincing me.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago
@yoyomasterbrad What's that old saying? "Those who can't, teach!" Is that a good enough standard? What about apprenticeships? Learn directly from the best!
Without lawyers, we couldn't defend ourselves? So there are no incompetent lawyers out there? I can't speak for myself? What about a citizen's arrest?
kc0itf 8 months ago
@kc0itf Look, let's just agree to disagree okay? Because it seems pretty clear to me that neither one of us is going to change our minds.
yoyomasterbrad 8 months ago