Alan Steinfeld, John Anthony West and Webster Tarpley

[AleksanderPieri]

I was in egypt 5yeRs ago and in my mind, though and spirit and still there and wish to go again. West is so right

[AleksanderPieri]

Steinfeld sucks with his yoga and newage bullshit attitude. Anthony West and Webster are great men!

[erwickline]

I was hoping they would collaborate to articulate a description of the pilgrimage of power between ancient civilizations and current civilizations. You know? That period between Egypt and Rome when Christ created the earth. Webster talks about Rome, West talks about Egypt. But, what about the link between their power structures? What about the burning of the the Library of Alexandria? Israeli's? Julius Ceaser? Cleopatra? Alexander the Great? Where did Asian people come from? ... maybe next time.

[erwickline]

It's not what we can accept solely, within our person. It is about what we can accept, and agree upon together. Thats why this discussion is a good thing. IMHO I do enjoy Webster's ability to maintain a sequitur flow when he speaks. West, is an alternative perspective Egyptologist.. Perhaps after spending most of his time on just one civilization, where most of his work was in an irrational debate with establishment Egyptologist's he is a little too scarred and defensive.

[yoransom]

"If this faggot touches me ima kill him"

[parwiz76]

The Quran in 17:16 gives the answer why empires vanish:

When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.

[sonyradio2]

The interviewer is really annoying and simple at times....two great minds...two TOTALLY different points of views...each needed their OWN session separately...

[successenglish]

That was painful...Tarpley's brilliant, West is great...but what a mismatch! One at a time would have been much more "enlightening"!

[paulagloria]

@successenglish well 73 people disagree with you and only one with you....I was expecting more of what you point out however. Still the arguments presented demand different opinions, not agreement.

[successenglish]

@paulagloria Actually I gave it a thumbs up because of the two guests. They're being very polite to each other and I'm sure it's genuine, but they come from VERY different perspectives. Dr. Tarpley is, for lack of a better term, very left brain. JA West is very "holistic"...while both are intellectually stimulating, it is hard for them to banter out any specific points to any "conclusion". Don't get me wrong, it was enthralling...it just lacked chemistry^^ Thanks for the upload^^

[Suckbe420]

john west is a riot.

[leafthorn007]

I can't believe they have verbal masking whispering on this.It ruins the whole thing.It really stinks.Its like someone needs to speak up or shut up.

[paulagloria]

@leafthorn007 you and 70 others do not agree

[Needs2Know]

@leafthorn007

yeh man wtf is the audio problem? awck.. Have to stop video! Someone is now whispering? WTF??!! Not fair to these two heros.

[ZeroEightySix]

37:50 = Trying to change things in society with politics is like fighting an enemy with weapons he gives you ...

[paulagloria]

@ZeroEightySix 37:50 = Trying to change things in society with politics is like fighting an enemy with weapons he gives you ..." I see your point but politics is ultimately the study of power which people do need to make changes and to create....power should not be "off limits" to regular people in the name of contrite spirituality but people do need education to use power, including spiritual power wisely.

[ZeroEightySix]

@paulagloria It really comes down to a choice between love and fear, I think. Will we choose love or fear and fall for yet another corrupt system that promises us a better life, it's up to us now, and not some men in dark suit 'n tie uniforms telling us what we can and can not do. If we fight the system with violence, we'll become violent, we become what we fight. Maybe the solution will be a global non-compliance with this Babylonian system and then it must fall.

[Tressco]

''Watch a cat when it enters a room for the 1st time. It searches & smells about, it is not quiet for a moment, it trusts nothing until it has examined and made acquaintance with everything.''

- J.J. Rousseau

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, & a ppl. who mean 2 be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. A popular govment without popular informt. or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue 2 a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both."

- James Madison

[paulagloria]

@Tressco excellent quotes but what do they refer to in this video? West or Tarpley?

[jubilee9r]

OT stands for Old Testament. In the English bible the Old Testament contains a total of 39 books, beginning with the book of Genesis and ending with the book of Malachi.

No, I am not familiar with Rene Gerard's "Violence and the Sacred", nor do I grasp the concept that at the basis of every sacred act is an act of violence. By sacred do you mean something dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving of veneration? Love, to me, is a sacred act. But it does no violence to others. Help?

[paulagloria]

@jubilee9r check Rene Gerard out....you may really like it

[jubilee9r]

Sorry for the confusion - By OT I mean the Mosaic covenant with its' sacrificial system.

[paulagloria]

@jubilee9r are you familiar with Rene Gerard's work "Violence and the Sacred" and that at the basis of every sacred act is an act of violence? I still don't understand what OT are initials for:

"By OT I mean the Mosaic covenant with its' sacrificial system. "

[roccman2003]

Why didn't tarpley tell his story instead of attacking John?

[jubilee9r]

The promises to Abraham & his seed means the physical seed not Christ and Christians as the bible teaches. Believers will be raptured before, during or after a great tribulation. The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem. The OT sacrificial system reestablished. Israel will turn to Christ and evangelize the Gentiles. Other errant doctrines - Israel was under law the church under grace. Things will get worse rather than better. Law of God done away with after the cross. Ignore cultural mandate.

[paulagloria]

@jubilee9r you did well for under 500 characters! what does OT mean?

[jubilee9r]

By Christian Premellenialsim I mean the eschatology as taught by Dallas Theological Seminary and popularized in the Scofield Reference Bible.

[paulagloria]

@jubilee9r "eschatology as taught by Dallas Theological Seminary and popularized in the Scofield Reference Bible.

Can you in 500 characters or less explain "eschatology as taught by Dallas Theological Seminary and popularized in the Scofield Reference Bible. "

[iArsalan]

The way John left and everything broke down at the end was hilarious. You could tell he was not feeling the host. lol

[carlos25154]

as long as we keep believing on all the government trash such as the "republican party" and the "democratic party", we're going to vanish just like those other civilizations! Don't you realize that those in either party are part of the elites that are creating this oligarchy and as explained in this video they don't want to give up their positions so regardless of who you vote for the outcome is the same! Its just a game, so by saying that the answer is for more people to vote is just not true!

[terfle1106]

I know that this will sound somewhat simplish, but to my mind, a civilization that does'nt know how to look " Up ", can only look " Down ". And "down" is not a very nice place to be in, sentimentaly, emotionaly, philosophicaly and spiritualy. Down, of course, means the stomach and sexuality. Ergo, it does'nt surprise me to see the world in it's actual state.

[paulagloria]

@terfle1106 Isn't God everywhere? up down etc etc///and what is wrong with sex? Truly God's greatest gift we can gift each other ...why so stingy with appreciation for all directions?

thx for stoppin by!

[terfle1106]

@paulagloria : That was'nt my line of thaught. Today's civilisation is consumationist (the stomach) and sexist (in all it's forms, from macho philosophy to pornography, to houswife enslavement and demasculinisation). So, it's a generality (though i know it never answeres the question). If God be light, there is little in the abysses. If God is every thing everywhere, then He's also nothing and nowhere in particulier... God is OK, it's man who has to get his act together. Thanks for the post.

[paulaqloria]

@paulaqloria

smart comment from my impostor

thx!

-Paula Gloria

[jubilee9r]

@paulagloria

A culture that turns away from Christ turns away from life and freedom. Until we repent our nation will continue to embrace a culture of death and slavery. America will soon be a paragraph in the history books Chronicling all the previous failed empires. But Christ's Kingdom is one that will never be destroyed because it is built on a firm foundation of Christ and His Word. Christian premillennialism has done much to destroy our nation and it's evil must be exposed.

[paulagloria]

@jubilee9r how do you understand "Christian premillennialism "?

[dunkdriver1972]

there is no way out of what is to come. compare the number of hits on this video to any rap video or any mainstream, money fuelled, superficial materialistic style production promoting money and power as the "be all and end all" to our modern society. i think it speaks volumes. people in our modern society would rather aspire to material gain and 99.9% of us, unfortunately, would be so scared of losing this that they would stand up and fight to keep it. vey sad indeed... but true.

[paulagloria]

@dunkdriver1972 well I was pleased with 13,000 hits and notice 64 likes!

[dunkdriver1972]

@paulagloria please understand, i clicked like myself. i also suggested this video to all my friends, but i fear we are a very small minority. i would love a massive upheaval of modern society, we need a change before it all implodes, but we have a long way to go collectively as a species before we can tip the balance in our favour. please don't take my previous comment as a negative critique. thanx for the interesting vid. these are 2 of my heroes. :-)

[paulagloria]

@dunkdriver1972 I understand but also things move in a natural order...perhaps we really aren't seeing as much as needs to be seen to affect the changes we want. So we just pray for more knowledge and try to do justice with what we have. Knowledge is a responsibility too.

[nirbija]

@dunkdriver1972 These are '2 of your heroes' who cannot show a clear path out of what they agree is more or less 'impending doom'?

That is part of the problem -- having inadequate heroes!

Maybe if more capable heroes exist & citizens like yourself could come to know them, then those heroes might show a more hopeful, a more positive, a more practical perspective out of the current/'impending doom'?

First step out of mess is: The problem does not lie in the state of affairs of world, but in us!

[nirbija]

@dunkdriver1972 You must have a crystal ball (or drank too much) to know that "there is no way out of what is to come", whatever that 'what' is? lol

[27boof]

This was GREAT!!! Thanks SO much to the people who made it & many thanks, also, to paulagloria for posting it here on YouTube, THANK YOU!!! :)

Peace

[gnomaedh]

Webster Tarpley - "...produce new wealth..." HOW about shrinking the crazy military machine that is soaking up a HUGE chunk of our current productivity... the military industrial complex is killing us, period.

[windofthegods]

that was funny, I agree with both Webster and John, I love them both and thoroughly enjoy their opinions in both of their respected fields, I consider them our elite because they are free thinkers and see things exactly as they are. They should be our experts on mainstream media. I think we are in the bronze age of material crap and primitive thinking. Theyre right everyone wants to be the man in charge, thats why we are not evolving.

[windofthegods]

why is there no wikipedia page for John Anthony West? the powers that be dont want his knowledge to be recognised.

[DrThorpeLee]

That was fantastic.

[WHALEKILLER75]

I thought John West had the better argument of the two, although what Webster was saying was interesting.

[gosciu555]

good to see more people watching webster tarpley, he smears this clown.

[bamadawgsc]

I don't mean to suggest that the Egyptians were not great - of course they were.

Of course they came first. One could say the same thing about Sumer. The Egyptian culture was AMAZING.

What I am saying is that the Greeks did more in less time and had more lasting influence in the world. Of course Egypt had influence on Greece, but it is Greece not Egypt that more formed the West.

[rabbitholecentral]

yes I agree with you except that we do not really understand the Egyptians and we are not really certain about where we are headed and thus it is hard to judge the depth of the Greek culture in the light of all eternity. This is my attraction to The Great Work and the eternal principles that can be demonstrated, that is the "miracles" that are all too often put aside by those most capable of using them or those who too readily accept them keeping them in deeper ignorance

[grumpone]

It's interesting that people disagreed with you. Greeks were the bedrock influence on western civilisation. Democracy, philosophy, Cosmology, Reason and a moving away from mysticism (Ionians)... all things modern have their beginning in ancient Greece.

[bamadawgsc]

The Greeks were "OK?"?????????

Good video, but please, the Greeks were far superior to the Egyptians. I do respect the Egyptians, but the Greeks laid the foundation for most everything we know, see, think about, aspire to, how we rule and participate in government, our art, our architecture, our language, our myths and stories etc, etc. I could go on and on.....The Egyptians in NO WAY compare to the Greeks.

Sorry.

Still, good video though.

[mrcon5]

actually as Greek myself I have to admit when you look at the evidence it appears that the Egyptians were SO advanced we can barely comprehend it thus the confusion.

For example the claim is that the procession of the equinoxes was discovered by watching the sun shift every year by some Greek philosopher (I forgot his name).

Well it takes 72 years for the sun to shift 1%

thus there was another way to discover that and the Egyptians clearly understood it

[Scottnice]

@mrcon5 actually 1 degree isn't even 1%.

[PeaceHearTnBeauTy]

Hmm..Which came first? Egypt or Greece? You should look into where your "Great" Greek scholars recieved their knowledge-Get your scholar game up KID! Whew...SMH

[hanno21664]

i love this video, about 12 months ago i posted how i respect both men and i still do, i showed this to my students who were curious about Ancient Egypt and the relationship of the modern world and they loved it, i was shocked my high school students sat through this entirely.

i was impressed.

thank you for keeping this video up

May you Blessed Be!

[ice9001]

The guy hosting the show is a little out there .

[lionhasalreadybe]

a little? He is kinda queer, I thought of Alister Crowley...

[brianf777]

what does it matter if he is out there in there? he is who he is and someone trying to make a difference and find truth and be a blessing to the world

[CraigKramer]

And this Alan Steinfeld needs to shut up lest he continue to reveal his ignorance.

[CraigKramer]

This guy West is a total lightweight next to Tarpley.

[Drexel2008]

Watch navigating the afterlife with West, he's not as well known as Tarpley, but he's extremely intelligent.

[ludachris475]

Jesus Christ was just a metaphor for the Sun.

The Light of the World.

[ludachris475]

Horus Christ of Mithrareth.

[ludachris475]

The City of London is an independent sovereign incorporated city-state and not a part of England, nor Britain, nor any part of the Commonwealth, which pays no taxes and is not subject to British law.

[blueprophet9]

Whah? Really?

[fubecaman]

really...

[blueprophet9]

Haha, the pay no taxes bit...

[ludachris475]

Jesus is the Sun in the Age of Pisces, Ichthys, the two fish, as the Gnostics portrayed him.

[Ecothearcy]

fomenko the mathematician proved using celestial mechanics that the "ancient" egyptian horoscopes could not be possibly be seen in ancint times, but were in fact early middle ages. Modern archaelogy now admits that the pyramids were built with cement, as was the dome of the parthenon in rome.

pouring cement into molds is not an ancient technology.

[paulagloria]

I don't know fomenko but how about the water erosion on the sphinx

thx for the comment

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@Ecothearcy The zodiac pre-dates the Egyptian civilization. The earliest example of the horoscopes we know so far comes from the Sumerian civilization around 5 and a half thousand years ago. There is evidence that the Egyptians used cement, as an aspect of their architectural repertoir but to say that "the pyramids were built with cement" is misleading. If they were, they would be in a much greater state of decay than they are now. Also, Egyptian cement is unrecognisable from Roman cement.

[hanno21664]

Great video i admire both man very much I do hope to meet them both in my life.

thank you awesome video

[ludachris475]

The Punky Brewster of theology.

[ludachris475]

Ay, sadly, Jesus was about as real as the Cosby Show.

[ludachris475]

Hehe, sadly Jesus Christ is just another pagan Sun-God.

Look it up, folks.

Ah, apparently there is no raisson d'etre only nihilistic disillusion.

[paulagloria]

how sad

[ludachris475]

It's very, very sad.

[ludachris475]

Really, I shouldn't have even mentioned it at all.

Sorry.

[paulagloria]

no it is the grief work...necessary

[gosciu555]

christian ethic is still good tho

[wichywoo]

@ludacris 475 its his moral principles we follow nothing more . moral principles will always be moral principles no matter what age we are living in . time can not change good and bad , light and day , yin and yang . we follow a righteous path for the good of humanity as a whole .

[Herumachis]

Wow, John Anthony West is a genius, he is hitting the nail on the head. I agree with his views on Art History, that you can gauge a civilization such as Egypt on its art. As such, it is one of the great spiritual heights of humanity. You can also gauge it's consciousness by its art, it is clear that they were in touch with the exalted states of consciousness. For a reader wanting to understand these, you will want to familiarize yourself with the modern Tree of Life, it is the color key.

[Herumachis]

Here is very simple little theory of government based on these colors. The wise Blue of Jupiter is the innermost sanctum: this is Amoun worship, etc., and represents the pharoah and priest elite. The first outer ring is the Red of Mars and represents the military, that which defends and protects Truth. The final 3rd outer ring is the Yellow of Sun, this is the harmonious vibration that shines gloriously when there is a truly ran system of government. This symbolism applies to self also.

[terfle1106]

@Herumachis : I fully agree, a real genius in clear, clean analogical thinking !

[gosciu555]

webster is making fun of john west hahaha

[ludachris475]

Ancient Greece was the Bronze Age.

[ludachris475]

Hey, does anyone realize that the Egyptian religion is the fundamental theological basis for the Judeo-Christian theology?

Just wondering.

[fatkissgoodnight]

I'm sure you watched the Zeitgeist documentary.:-)

[ludachris475]

Christianity is based on the pagan worship of the Sun.

[jupiterjjrm]

And it has weird influences: look up Oannes (for the Papal mitre). The thing is, we haven't come to this conclusion earlier b/c censorship prevented us from digging, even self-censorship from scholars, very few dared even entertain the thought that "Jesus" could be possibly a construct. In fact, it was very likely the Serapis cult priest (sure many were Jews in origin) who made up the Gospels & Acts & Revelation etc: Revelation & Acts are plagiarised work from THE TALE OF SATMI (Egyptian)

[ludachris475]

Amen, I agree.

And Amen-Ra also.

[jupiterjjrm]

Actually there's a lot of books one can read and come to those conclusions with very solid arguments

:)

Some of them: G.A. Wells, Did Jesus Exist?; John Allegro, The Dead Sea Scrolls; Ahmed Osman, Out of Egypt; C.R.North, The Suffering Servant in Deutero-Isaiah; and of course Acharya S's excellent books The Christ Conspiracy, Suns of God, Who Is Jesus. The hieroglyph for Amen Ra is uncannily resemblant to the figure of the Pope!!! Look it up (e.g. The Second Messiah, Lomas & Knight, p. 97)

[ludachris475]

Brilliant.

The Christian allegory of the Sun must be renounced by all rational people and cast down with all other ancient demagogy.

Reason and philosophy must guide our actions.

[jupiterjjrm]

Well, intuition is the superior knowledge. We should search inside ourselves for the greatest wealth that exists. This depends entirely upon the searcher, and beliefs of this type are completely superfluous. Now, funny that some of those "truthseekers" (cheap newagers) believe in "Christ" b/c some "Cassiopaean channeling" says so. Philosophy may still involve thinking, the key step is direct exploration, direct knowledge of our inner source.

[ludachris475]

"Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding."

"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has."

"Reason is the enemy of faith."

(Martin Luther: 1483 1546)

Turpis Haereticum:

[jupiterjjrm]

LOL, but I just meant that some things cannot be expressed in the circular language of words! :D Yes, the church fathers also have 'priceless' quotes such as (paraphrase) 'in order for the faithful to understand (our) Truth it doesn't matter if we cheat on the facts, i.e. truth with lower-case letters' - Certainly, assinine faith is always preferable for those who milk us!!

[ludachris475]

Thank you for posting this.

[Luso515PorTuoGraal]

Thank You for posting this! Great!

[jofo817]

Counterforces....exactly.

Satan challenging God.......and WE KNOW who wins that one

[ceresone]

Wow, I follow both of these guys' work but I would've never expected an interview with the two of them together. Interesting.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Very interesting, thanks.

[farfo1]

a great discussion, but no Paula...wah!!!

[paulagloria]

this was my idea and then we ran out of time before it was my turn!

[anvilofcrom]

Jeez, John West is a bit grumpy, isin't he.

[paulagloria]

He has struggled for many years to express these ideas to a society skeptical about the value of spiritual values. Webster on the other hand is always suspicious of the oligarchy to manipulate anything including spirituality in order to take more than their fair share. It is true that if John felt more comfortable with Webster, perhaps was more familiar with his work he would have felt him more an ally

[anvilofcrom]

Yeah, it seemed they weren't on the same wavelength.

I like them both though, they both know their respective stuff.

[bopn]

Those people whispering in the background should grow some manners

[hypnofan35]

Speaking of the collective human soul. My early experience in post WWII (McCarthy Wisconsin) was that authority will try to destroy as a demonstration of authority. That is just how people are. It is as if the main power differential has to do with how one person can abuse another in the name of "great goodness". It is not just the leaders, it is the human condition and the desire to succeed in a sly, dishonest, or brutal manner.

[paulagloria]

you can also create as an expression of power and ability, then you would merit the trust of others not able to do the same but who look to you to take care of what they cannot. this is a healthy division of labor, no?

[hypnofan35]

The dynamic of winning by dishonesty and brute force is very tempting especially when one is demonstrating dominance. It is similar to physical or strategic games. The prize is winning over someone else. Ultimately the people who subvert the rules for a positive outcome for themselves will be the winners.

[bopn]

Cheaters never prosper!

[hypnofan35]

They might not get smarter, but they are likely to get wealthier and there is a sense of winning even if it cannot be admitted to.

[bopn]

Sadly for them they miss the real point though dont you think?

[paulagloria]

have you seen my stuff on the mahabharata? this issue of honesty/dishonesty and the Indian understanding of Dharma might speak to what you bring up

[Cadmium77]

This is a crazy combo but I like it...thanks for posting it.

[paulagloria]

anybody have any comments on relating ancient Egypt to Webster Tarpley's extensive research on oligarchy rule (and mass subjugation). Although I did not do this interview it was my vision to juxtapose these two great social contributors

[Gozne]

Actually I discover John West and Manuel Delgado at the same time when I watched The documentary I just uploaded. The last video is not working yet, but I´ll try to fix it soon. A question, Paula, was John pissed off by the end of the interview? it finishes in a very funny way.

[paulagloria]

you speak English very well ("was John pissed off"). Webster was delayed by a previous interview and thus late for this one. John eventually had to sit in two hours of traffic which he could have avoided if he left earlier. Maybe I should have edited it out but I sort of like unedited work....especially for YouTube. It makes it seem more intimate, like it actually was

[Gozne]

Cheers Paula, I live in england, but I write better than write. I love how it ends, it's like being in family. :) I tried to add a link here, but I can't. Check my uploaded videos, 4 of them are part of the discovers of Manuel delgado. in Spanish though :/ yure' going to need a translator.

[paulagloria]

you write better than you write...that's pretty Zen for me. I will find a translator! Thanks!

[Gozne]

heheheh i meant i write better than i speak. :/

[bopn]

Can you get those folks in the back to remain quiet in future- it was really distracting.

[paulagloria]

opps! sorry we were having a power struggle behind the scenes. you have no idea what it took to pull this meeting off

[bopn]

hey no worries. its a great show and a brilliant thing that you bring to everyone.

[paulagloria]

glad you wrote what you did so I can pass it to Molly and we'll be more careful in the future. thanks for stopping by!

[bopn]

Molly and yourself need to give yourselves big pats on the back. this is the most intellectually stimulating, educational and positive sort of thing you can watch. It brings me hope in a time of ignorance and backwardness. PEACE

[paulagloria]

did you pick up how different their perspectives were and yet united in well wishing for humanity (as opposed to the think tanks that are funded by institutions that are invested in weapons)! Webster believes in Progress and John West calls it Church of Progress yet both are pro ppl

[bopn]

Absolutely. Different sides of the same coin. I think Webster is extremely clued up on the structure of the current power aparatus, whereas I think John understands the cultural aspects that occur in times of empire. interesting mix

[Gozne]

Great document. I love John West.

[paulagloria]

Had you heard of Webster Tarpley who is now known as one of the three most important 9/11 Truth scholars? John and I are great friends and have known each other since I met him on one of my first tours lead by him years ago in Egypt. Have you ever been to Egypt with John?

[Gozne]

No I haven't ... wish I had!! I really admire his work, but I'm just a fan. :) In spain we have our own John West, He's called Manuel Delgado.

[paulagloria]

I tried to look Manuel Delgado up in google but all that I got ws one who makes guitars, one who was the hero in the WTC disaster and one who is a Yale Professor...could you direct me to the Spanish version of John Anthony West?

[Gozne]

I just uploaded a video about his research. His book is called: "El misterio de la gran piramide"

[paulagloria]

oh darn I can't read Spanish...did you find out about Joh n anthony West through him?

[VictoriaWinters]

They are so right, the way things are going, this way of life cannot continue much longer