"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people. Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."
It only belongs to the people if the people aren't ignorant bigots. Since the individuals who voted yes on prop 8 are all ignorant bigots the answer is no California doesn't belong to you because you're stupid.
"Traditional" marriage is polygamy. Being forced to marry your rapist. Selling your daughter into slavery and arranged marriage. Telling black people they are subhuman and not fit to marry under God, but can jump over the broom.
Yup,traditional marriage,it's REAL successful,isn't it?! NOT! Someone just remind me again,how many traditional heterosexual marriages end up in the divorce courts?! There has not been ONE incident where 'gay marriage' has rocked the foundation of what is seen as 'traditional'! Personally I feel that the whole institution of marriage is out-dated & pointless,BUT EVERYONE,irrespective of gender & sexual identity has the right to full equality in ALL aspects of life!
Focus on your religous divorces before you practice disallowing other people to the same rights as you. Our country does not define marriage as a religious practice as it shouldn't. Marriage predates your religion and trust me you can argue it but its in written history long before your zany book came around preaching killing and hatered.
AHP. I'm straight, and that gay guy is sort of right. Never thought of it that way before. Most gay men are in many ways superior to straight men. Hmmmm. Sort of a cool idea. If I'm being honest, my gay friends are very supportive and I do learn a lot from them. Never thought about comparing straight men to gay men. But side by side comparisons, gay men are over all better contributions to society. They are even better at nurturing children. They in many ways are like super heros.
It's funny ass hell how these ppl don't see what there doing wrong marriage is for fuckin everyone not just to straughts n notice i did not see not ONE black hand dere so come on ppl VOTE NO WE DESERVE TO BE FREE TO LIVE OUR LIVES
If people voted yes to prop 8. Is the people going to be happy to see Gay people SUFFERING because they cannot be themselves? 2000. Wasn't that 10 years ago?
I'm gay, but there's something i do agree with.. why the fuck do you have to teach little children about marriage?? teach them something more important. i mean no wonder why american schools aren't good at all. when i lived back in europe i accually learned useful things. we even learned about american history which i see no point in doing, but anyways.. yeah especially in the south. the state i live in is the 32 in education.. that's not good but it could be worse.
@FindaSilverLining True - which is a sick joke considering the Catholic church's leader's knowledge of child rape and doing nothing about it for decades while countless of kids were subjected to rape. The Catholic church is even more sick than the cultish mormons
Laumann is known to be a quack. He tried to argue that being molested as a child will make you gay. He failed to note that only 7.5% of men molested as children grow up to be gay, almost the same percent of the population he claimed to be gay.
Apparently he was right. Molestation does contribute to homosexuality, as does hormonal imbalances, environmental influences, and possibly to a small degree--genetics--but this has never been proven.
Prop 8 is about preserving the natural, normal, healthy family structure, not accepting an abnormal, perverted "family" based on a warped sexual orientation where NOT ONE homosexual couple can EVER have normal sex, procreate, nor provide the most healthy of environments for raising children. Same-sex "marriage" is not just a private union, but a public one that tells society what's healthy for the families, sexuality and raising kids. Prop 8 is discernment, not discrimination.
Not natural, normal, healthy... by whose standards? All major psychological associations in the United States hold the belief that homosexuality is natural, normal and is not a mental illness. Let me ask you this: Is your family based around your sexual orientation? Right, I thought not. Homosexual and heterosexual parents provide the same environments for raising children, further proving that we are just as good for families (based on extensive studies cited by the APA).
Homosexuality was always labeled a disorder until 1973 when homosexual psychologists and supporters inside and outside the APA protested and changed the DSM due to biased "studies" not based on scientific fact. The Hooker study tried to prove homosexuals were psychologically no different, but Hooker herself admitted she had told the participants what the outcome would be and rigged the study. Thousands of psychologist believe homosexuality is still a disorder and can be changed.
Okay, well unfortunately you have no studies to back up your findings, nor your claims about Hooker's study. Of course, you also cannot prove that sexual orientation can be changed.... and why is that? Oh, right, because it never has been! Ex-gay ministries and other so-called "reparative" therapies report a dismal success rate of 10-15%. and almost all of those people later come out as still gay. Even former ex-gay leaders have revealed what they did was all a sham.
Hooker claimed homosexuals werent abnormal or different pathologically than heterosexual men. She deliberately recruited participants from activist organizations who understood the experiment and its purpose to achieve a political objective. As she wrote years later, I knew the men for whom the ratings were made, and I was certain as a clinician that they were relatively free of psychopathology. Signs of instability were all documented by Hooker but not published in the study.
The 1994 Laumann study, The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United State. was based on a survey of American from the ages of 18 and 60 and is universally recognized as definitive. Numerous large-scale epidemiologic survey have repeatedly confirmed and strengthened its findings. One of the major points of the Laumann study, which the authors themselves did not expect, is that homosexuality as a fixed trait scarcely even seems to exist
The study factually shows that homosexuality is not a stable trait. The authors found to their surprise that homosexuality tended spontaneously to convert into heterosexuality as people aged. Researchers all over the world have conducted studies on hundreds of thousands of people which strongly confirmed Laumann. Yet the mental health guilds dont even mention it because they have homosexual psychologists in positions of power at the APA hiding the truth.
"universally recognized as definitive." I call BS. A simple Google search turns up almost nothing except for a few hits debunking Laumann's studies.
" the figures of same-sex sexual activity reported by Laumann are not to be trusted." I found nothing praising him. There were many problems with the methodology of his study. Sorry, but you are undeniably wrong.
Yeah sure. The homosexual organizations are very active in the mental health guilds, and they always "debunk" any contrary views. No matter how hard you try, homosexuality will always be a disorder. Nature's design has made it clear that two members of the same sex can never have sex or children. Any, by the way, your anus isn't a sex organ, so maybe you should use your brain and see what the obvious design for sex truly is.
Since joining the University in 1973, Professor Laumann has acted as the editor of the American Journal of Sociology, chair of the department of sociology, dean of the division of social sciences, provost of the University of Chicago, and is currently the director of the Ogburn Stouffer Center for Population and Social Organization.
Professor Laumann's many research interests include research on human sexuality among older Americans, cross-nationally (in 29 countries and in China), sexuality in urban places, the spread of sexually transmitted infections vis sexual networks, subjective well-being, quality of life, and health status, social networks in various social contexts, and the urban legal profession.
Laumann's current research projects include the National Survey of Sexual Practices in China (Co-Principle Investigator); the National Social Health and Aging Project, which surveys 3000 men and women aged 57 to 85 in the U.S. (Co-Principle Investigator); analyst for the Global Study of Sexual Attitudes and Behavior, a survey of 27,500 men and women 40 to 80 years of age in 29 countries around the world; and a 20 year followup study of the legal profession in Chicago (Co-Principle Investigator).
'your anus isn't a sex organ, so maybe you should use your brain and see what the obvious design for sex truly is. ' Tell that to all the straight people who have anal sex. While you're at it, tell them that oral sex is wrong to. I'm sure you'll get a good reaction.
Furthermore, the percentage of heterosexuals who engage in anal sex is really small, not the sine qua non like for homosexuals. The practice of anal sex by heterosexuals is partly due to what society finds acceptable. Finally, if what I say is complete rubbish, no one can change the fact that not one or 200 trillion homosexuals can every have normal sex with genitals.
We only need to look at the function of the body parts: The mouth consumes food, sucks and licks, so you can argue that oral sex could be just another function of the mouth. The mechanical forces during oral sex do not damage the body, and the mouth is naturally lubricated, but the anus cant lubricate. It was only designed to eject waste one direction, not for sex acts. We use the term sex loosely in our society. Genuine sex is only with the genitals; the others just replicate normal sex.
The majority of the studies didnt investigate the harmful, long-term effects of same-sex marriage households. Other flaws included broad generalizations, vague definitions, conflicting & misrepresentation of data, poor classifications of homosexual feelings & relationships, weak use of statistics, unsupported or misleading statements, and failure to report conflicting evidence contained within the report's own references; the report cannot be trusted and should not be used to define policy.
Dr. Sharon Quick, Clinical Assistant Professor from the WA School of Medicine, analyzed all the major scientific literature used in the 2002 American Academy of Pediatrics Technical Report on Same-Sex Marriage adoptions. The report inaccurately referenced 57% of its scientific literature and was biased. Some background studies were funded by the Lesbian Health Fund of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, the Equity Foundation's Lesbian Project and other pro-homosexual organizations.
Basically, your argument boils down to fear of change. You use baseless rhetoric and prejudice to deny rights to people that you yourself enjoy. You lied and said that GLBT people are not as good as straights when it comes to parenting. You can't back that up with fact, because according to the American Psychological Association "there is no evidence to suggest that... development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents"
Basically, my argument boils down to fear of destroying the natural, normal, healthy family structure. Why is it that NOT EVEN ONE homosexual couple can have kids? Simple: You weren't meant to be parents in homosexual relationships. So while you crazy, radical liberals claim to go green by fighting for the environment, you're hypocrites who are trying to destroy the natural structure of the family. The APA's studies are supported by many homosexuals who work in it; their studies are biased.
God didn't make people gay. it's a choice. God gives people choices. and of course, theres a right choice and a wrong choice, jus lik the choice of whether or not to do drugs. people are making the wrong choice by living a homosexual lifestyle cuz they think love is all about whether or not you get horny from looking at a penis or a vagina
we did a project in school about it and I did the prop 8 for people 2 vote no on it but a lot of people in my class did it to tell people to vote yes on it. I did a poster on it and had a copy of the bill of rights well #9 states The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. So prop 8 goes agiensed the bill of right? Ya I think so.
The old appeals to racial, sexual, religious shamanism, to rabbit socialist furor are beginning not to work. A new conciseness is developing which seize the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with it self is doomed. -ZeitGeist. Open your eyes to true reality!
the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.. SO WHAT IF I GET HATTING ON I DON'T CARE IT'S MY RIGHT TO SPEAK i am loving that this pass keep it up all right....
The eyes of man sees its shame when she looks upon you. Your desire to enslave again with foolishness and speech rooted in failed hypocrisy. Your presence casts shadows of a recent Presidency failed. I thank God for this. This public forum where YOU unveil the reason gays have retreated for centuries. Concentration camps, untreated AIDS, and now demeaning inequality. We the people must now stand together. Cursed is the man who has seen and yet does not believe. Justice for all!
In actuality, 5,800,000 votes voted no on Prop 8. 6,200,000 voted Yes on Prop 8. It's a 4% difference. Two years ago, we voted on the same there. There was more than a 12% difference. As education comes, ignorance goes. Free at last, free at last, I thank God Almighty, we are ALMOST free at last.
WON? Gay men are smarter than straight men. We are more creative. We have better sex. Women like to be around us more than staight men. We are more in tune with our bodies. We are in better shape. We make more money. We save more money. We travel more. We give more. On average, we are smarter, leaner, better educated, and overall more successful.
No wonder you're angry and want us to go back into the closet. If I were you, I'd feel threatened too.
LOL! YAY!! The truth of life itself! Thank you! Stupid hetero men don't realize how their constricted gender roles affect their life as a whole! We're proof!
Wow. I'm not against gay marriage but this kind of egotistical stereotyping and hate for straight people is just as disgusting as the bigotry shown by those showing hate for gays.
@OutoftheClosetTV I'm all for gay marriage and equal rights for everybody, but you seem to be throwing out baseless claims. Might want to work on that... There are no statistics as far as I know for anything you said. Intuitively though, the only thing you said that seems to be objectively true is the "women like us better" :(
Work on your arguments or else you are just as bad as the people who present blatant falsehoods to oppress gay people and preserve so-called "traditional marriage"
@LoftLivingLA not really, if we just throw out whatever statistics we want and make stuff up on the spot, then we're no better than the people who lie in the defense of their anti-gay bigotry (eg making up claims that children are somehow worse off if raised by a same sex couple).
I can't stress this more, making shit up doesn't help our side.
Those who voted against Prop 8 are the ones who are ignorant. Heterosexual marriage has a 5000+ year documented history supporting its principles. What does same sex marriage have? In case you've never studied the human anatomy it's pretty clear what's designed to go inside what.
Oh well shithead, be disgusted all you want. Now you know how people really think when they are discouraged to show their face online or in the streets supporting a certain cause because of MEDIA and PRESSURE GROUP political correctness.
Basically YouTube videos public marches (etc.) are not necessarily represenative because if you hold a politically incorrect view, then you will tend to withold it. So the left, the anti-Prop 8 crew become dominant. Which is of course truly Marcusean.
However when you let people express how they really feel without PC restraints, then they do not tow the leftist line so much.. At all.
I am an EX-MORMON for EQUAL RIGHTS!!! California is NOT Utah. VOTE NO on 8. The LDS church can keep their MARRIAGE IN THE TEMPLE, which they believe is of a higher level of love and connection beyond their life on earth. I love my family, who are mostly Mormon, but I will not accept them not allowing the same basic rights to me and my partner. Keep church and state separate!
"LOVE ONE ANOTHER"... How many times did I sing the song as a child???
And despite that amazingly well articulated, persuasive argument from Mr. shyandgay, I think I'm going to have to use my head and say... YES ON 8! It's right for California!
US the people are taking California back and thats why we're voting NO!! on prop 8!! lol idiot loons who support prop 8 actually think its "their" right! hahaha give me a break bigots!
dude the people already voted on this in 2000. gay marriage lost. its gonna lose again and the voice of the people will be the final say just like it always has.
Frist of all! know your props! Prop 22 was to define marriage as a man and a woman thats it! Which only allowed that in the eyes of the LAW ok not religion not the chruch whatever. Prop 8 wants to amend the contitution to make it illigal for gay people to marry, cause we can get married now if we want to. Two completelty different things poeple are ignorant about prop 8 supporters wanna keep it that way so these ignorants will vote yes! Please keep religion out of the government vote no on 8!!
This proposition does not change the civil rights of domestic partners! CA Family Code (sec. 297.5) defines marriages and domestic partnership as civilly equal institutions. The "right" that the amendment eliminates is just the "right" to call themselves one thing when they are another. All of the civil rights are guaranteed by law since 2005!
I would vote yes on Prop 8 due to a religious reason, but I'm only 16. I believe that God created marriage to bond two couples that are deeply inlove with each one another, not to create parthnership.
For the women and black people out there who want to vote 'yes', please remember that you once were second class citizens too... don't do the same mistake! Please use your brains and your heart!
i thought it was interesting that in Massachusetts the courts ruled that parents have no RIGHT to advance notice when even 2nd graders are taught about homosexuality and gay marriage.
Yes on prop 8 does not take away any ones rights. Homosexual partnerships will have all the same rights as married couples. The only difference will be in the name. It is called something different because it is something different. Equality of men and women does not mean calling women men.
Prop 8 wants to amend the contitution making it illigal for gays to get married! We are not beneath you if anything I think we're above you! Intellegence cannot coexist with ignorance and bigotry! Get smart or get out!
In 2003, 73% of Americans believed invading Iraq was a good idea. Today that number is 33%. Majorities change. Having a majority does mean you are right.
What Prop 8 does is take away existing rights. Under the current Constitution same-sex marriage is legal.
If gay marriage is allowed than we should also allow marriage between animal and human(beastility) and or between an adult and a child. Because that's how wrong this is.
That is the smost stupid argument i hear from people.
A VOTE YES ON PROP 8 BREAKS JESUS' COMMANDMENTS. He said,"Treat others the way you would want to be treated." If you were one of the thousands of gay couples who married in California, would you want your marriage declared not valid?? NO, you would not. That goes against the GOLDEN RULE, and against "Love your neighbor as yourself, which would mean you don't love God.
Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.(death part are for Christians, who should know better and not for the devil's worshipers in pagan religions)
Your argument is rediculous too. Why bring Jesus into it. You haven't read the entire book. Leviticus 18:22- Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable." Please get your Bible out and read it before mentioning Jesus.
Treating others the way you want to be treated goes beyond Jesus. It predates Him. Back to the subject. You apparently don't know Leviticus. It has silly things that are destestable to God and an abomination. Like: eating shellfish, shaving your beard, touching a pigskin (there goes football), and other trivial matters, so why just pick one???
When you Vote Yes on Prop 8 do me a favor, say this: "I just treated thousands of gays like i would not want to be treated if i was in their shoes."
If it were true that redefining marriage would not have an effect on anyone outside of people who are gay and wanting to be married---this would be a simple or even non-issue.
i have talked with many prop 8 supporters. none of them are voting yes because they want gay people to have less rights than straights. we just want to protect our own rights.
no on prop 8 would hurt churches and families--there are ramifications of this law beyond just same-sex marriage.
The Supreme Court got it right. The judiciary exists (in part) to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. We are all entitled to equal protection under the law: gay or not, popular or unpopular.
If a simple majority of Californians voted to ban Christianity, or remove the freedom of the press, or the right to free speech, it would be similarly Unconstitutional.
We don't need to write this kind of discrimination into the constitution. Vote NO on 8!
Marriage is not a right it is a privilege. I agree with what was said previously about the Supreme Court. Civil unions have been adopted into our laws, just like marriage has. Each has it's own definition. Prop8 makes sure that the definition of marriage is established irrevocably in CA as valid and recognized between a man and a woman only. What same-sex couples want is not marriage, for marriage has & will always be about bringing children into a family with a mother and a father.
I wish people like UAMILASHKA, would stop and think on their onwn, instead of regurgitating 1960 hate propaganda. Step out of your environment and use what god has givin all of us. Im not speaking based on lies,ignorance or what Joe Schmoe sais, Im a history graduate from UCLA and history is repeating itself because people forget about the past. Prop 8 is a silent hate proposition being masked by religious organizations and the poor people who are unwilling to think on their own.
Please don't assume Prop. 8 supporters are unwilling to think on their own. Not only were there 3 dissenting Supreme Court justices who declared the people's support of traditional marriage absolutely constitutional, but most of the state supreme courts that have taken up this issue have not found protection of traditional marriage to be at odds with their state constitutions.
Everyone has a right to their own religion and lifestyle.
Whether it is a choice or not, it doesn't matter.
By the government allowing homosexual marriages, it does NOT affect anyone elses life but theres, so why is everyone making such a big deal out of it.
I would feel that way if it really didn't affect anyone else's life but theirs. However, like a stone dropped in a pond, there is a ripple effect that is far reaching. I encourage you to think of how this will affect schools and religious institutions. Will the change be gradual? Perhaps, but it truly would affect others' lives.
I wish I could. Unfortunately there have already been cases (for example, one in Massachusetts) where a parent's request to even just be NOTIFIED when gay marriage would be discussed in school was vehemently denied by the teacher and school administration.
Passing prop 8 is the only way to guarantee that the parents voice will be heard on what their own children are taught about gay marriage in public schools.
He was denied his request because of his definition of what constituted a discussion of gay marriage. His child came home with a "diversity bag," wherein one of the books had one page that depicted a s same-sex family.
Not only does California education code give parents the right to determine what their child will learn when it comes to sexuality, all we're talking about here is a non-judgmental depiction of same-sex couples.
The Religious Institutions and people that are intolerant against civil rights, are once again using religion to mask their anti-gay true feelings. I keep hearing that "it is the will of the majority of the people that marriage be between a man and a woman". In 1967, 90% OF AMERICANS OPPOSED INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE upon the Supreme Court Ruling in Loving vs Virginia. . Majority rule does not always guarantee justice. Please Vote NO on Prop 8, be a civil rights advocate and don't eliminate rights.
Its disengenuous to call marriage a "right". Rights that have only existed for less than 60days.
Judges do have a right to interpret the constituition, but in this case there was nothing to interpret. They just created a special right out of thin air. The judges over stepped their boundries.
The passing of Prop 8 will do nothing to take away rights.
Excellent video...how can we let this happen? Unite Californians and let your voice be heard for the people and the future generations. We set the trends that others follow.
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix This a famous quote by Leon Bazile 1967 Supreem Court Judge in Virginia, you and Leon Bazile have similar thoughts on civil rights issues. Please think, and don't regurgitate false religious hateful propaganda.
You are so blinded as some Europeans were when The Catholic Church in 1936 chose to turn the other way when the Nazi party was eliminating the rights of Jews in Germany. Prop 8 is ELIMINATING the rights of some people to mary. Read the ballot title it clearly states, ELIMINATE THE RIGHTS OF MARIAGE. Eliminating anyones rights is un American. Using the excuse of religion is cowardly the true reason is uncomfortability that you have against some people in our society. Please say no to have NO on 8
You talkin about tolerance being a two way street, you are being hypocritical. No one is being intolerant of Heterosexual Marriage, but you are being intolerant of homosexual marriage! Your lack of knoledge on the substance is obvious, proposition 8, WILL NOT FORCE HOMOSEXUAL TEACHINGS IN SCHOOL. That is one of the bigest lies that pronents of prop 8are using as a scare tacktick. That is the same excuse the church used in 1967, about blacks and whites marying.
If the teaching in our schools that homosexual marriage and heterosexual marriage are equal and the same what is going on in Mass. and now in CA? Children in K thru 1st grade are being taught about it w/o parents consent & sometimes knowledge. Read the news yesterday about the teacher in SF whose whole class was paraded to her lesbian marriage during school hours. If that had been a heterosexual marriage and it was made a big tado over everyone would be crying foul and those involved fired.
The Religious Institutions and people that are intolerant against civil rights, are once again using religion to mask their anti-gay true feelings. I keep hearing that "it is the will of the majority of the people that marriage be between a man and a woman". In 1967, 90% OF AMERICANS OPPOSED INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE upon the Supreme Court Ruling in Loving vs Virginia. . Majority rule does not always guarantee justice. Please Vote NO on Prop 8, be a civil rights advocate and don't eliminate rights.
Prop 8 doesn't eliminate any rights. If it doesn't pass, it may eliminate free speech, religious freedoms, and worst of all, the ability for parents to decide when their child should learn about the MINORITY who choose to practice homosexuality. I'm not against the people who practice such, I'm against the fact that they feel that all people need to embrace their actions. I'm voting YES on Prop 8 to protect what I believe marriage should stand for, and to protect the family as designed by God.
For those heterosexuals that use the excuse that homosexuality is a choice, how would you know if you are not gay. How can you possibly know for sure what a person other than your self thinks. It's impossible for that statement to be validated coming from a heterosexual. The Society of Pediatrics, Council of Psychology and numerous Medical Journals all agree that homosexuality is not a choice but biological in origin, like being black, white, short, tall, fat or skinny.
The people's right to ammend the constitution through referendum is just as important as the judges right to interpret the constitution. It is an important check on the power of judges that has always existed, and one that I believe should be excercised on Nov. 4.
If the people are asking for the passing of Proposition 8, then here is where the government should step is and reassure us that everyone in USA will be not have a fence on what they can or can't do, especially if this country is supposed to be that of equal oppurtunity for every style of walk of life.
3 branches of gov. est. by our founding fathers with their wisdom to know in advance the oft madness of the majority. Vote no on 8. And note, Connecticut has joined Mass, and California in seeing the good and the light.
Nope. The court's decision was simply the imposition of the policy preferences of four individuals over the vote of the people of California. Read the opinion and see the contortions they go through to explain why marriage is simply a matter of individual choice for gays but not for (say) polygamists. No legal logic there -- just the willful imposition of personal policy preferences. Clearly not what the court was "designed to do."
There was nothing contorted or contrived about the Judges', 3 of the 4 of whom are republican, majority opinion. The ruling found that sexual orientation was a suspect class, and that via the understanding of the right to marry that was established in Sharp v Perez, denying same-sex couples access to legal marriage was unconstitutional under the state's equal protection clause.
Wrong again -- read footnote 52 of the Supreme Court opinion.
All I am asking is that you explain why, *as a matter of California constitutional law*, gays should be allowed to marry as they choose but not polygamists. The Supreme Court offers no such explanation. This means either (1) the justices lacked the mental ability to grasp the illogic (doubtful) or (2) the decision was dictated by policy preference rather than law.
What does that footnote have to do with what I said? The ruling does not change anything about the legality of polygamy in the state. The ruling was based on three key elements, the definition of the right of marriage set in perez v sharp, the ruling of sexual orientation as a suspect class, and the equal protection clause in the CA constitution.
Can you name for me a class that is currently given rights to polygamy while another class is denied it?
The right to marry, as established by the ruling in Perez v Sharp, is the right to marry the person of one's choosing, not "someone of the same gender"
Heterosexuals are given the right to marry the person of their choosing, and before the ruling in "In Re Marriage Cases" this past summer, homosexuals were a class that were not afforded such a right.
To answer your polygamy question, I ask you again: show me a class that is allowed it and a class that is not.
You refer to homosexuals as a class, but seem to reject the notion that polygamists could also be considered a class, and one potentially denied the "right to marry the person of their choosing."
You may reject this notion for the very reason that many disagree with redefining traditional marriage to include same-gender relationships.
Polygamists are not being denied their right to marry the person of their choosing, but any extra marriages beyond that likely won't be legally recognized.
Moreover, the argument for same-sex marriage is heavily based on discrimination: monogamous marriage is afforded to straight couples, but not to same-sex couples.
No one is being allowed legal polygamy while another group is denied it.
To see just what traditional marriage is and just why it is so important to defend it, watch the YouTube video:
"Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else" by MrsBettyBowers
RCSVirginia 2 months ago
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Chicago Tribune, 1 April 1998
"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people. Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."
Coretta Scott King
RCSVirginia 2 months ago
so we are getting rid of divorce and 24 hour marriages right?
boomingpearl 4 months ago
It only belongs to the people if the people aren't ignorant bigots. Since the individuals who voted yes on prop 8 are all ignorant bigots the answer is no California doesn't belong to you because you're stupid.
CrazyMunky84 5 months ago
"Traditional" marriage is polygamy. Being forced to marry your rapist. Selling your daughter into slavery and arranged marriage. Telling black people they are subhuman and not fit to marry under God, but can jump over the broom.
Oh yes, traditional marriage is the ideal, LOL!
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
Yup,traditional marriage,it's REAL successful,isn't it?! NOT! Someone just remind me again,how many traditional heterosexual marriages end up in the divorce courts?! There has not been ONE incident where 'gay marriage' has rocked the foundation of what is seen as 'traditional'! Personally I feel that the whole institution of marriage is out-dated & pointless,BUT EVERYONE,irrespective of gender & sexual identity has the right to full equality in ALL aspects of life!
popazz1 7 months ago
@popazz1 ended up in divorce court? well over 50%, actually divorced, around 50%
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 ,
Yeah,my 1st question was kind of rhetorical,meant to simply indicate how 'successful' hetero' marriages are.
popazz1 6 months ago
@popazz1 yeah, wasnt 100&
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 ,
Huh?! Not sure what you mean!
popazz1 6 months ago
@popazz1i meant i wasnt 100% sure, for some reason i didnt get that last part in
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 ,
Oh,ok.It's all a question of individual opinion,whatever the subject! ;-)
popazz1 6 months ago
Don't like gay marriage?
DONT HAVE ONE
peaceandrosegirl 10 months ago 2
The ugliness of yes on 8 will go down in history.
jwwindsor 11 months ago 2
YES! Let's Take back California people! WE Must defend Our Traditions from The Gays
And while we are At It, LETS BAN DIVORCE !
And lets also ban Shrimp (For religious freedoms! True Christians hate shrimp!)
abooood95 1 year ago
Focus on your religous divorces before you practice disallowing other people to the same rights as you. Our country does not define marriage as a religious practice as it shouldn't. Marriage predates your religion and trust me you can argue it but its in written history long before your zany book came around preaching killing and hatered.
cameronmullins 1 year ago
AHP. I'm straight, and that gay guy is sort of right. Never thought of it that way before. Most gay men are in many ways superior to straight men. Hmmmm. Sort of a cool idea. If I'm being honest, my gay friends are very supportive and I do learn a lot from them. Never thought about comparing straight men to gay men. But side by side comparisons, gay men are over all better contributions to society. They are even better at nurturing children. They in many ways are like super heros.
LoftLivingLA 1 year ago
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LoftLivingLA 1 year ago
Most voters suck and are extremely uninformed, many probably didn't even vote.
I'm guessing four informed judges are smarter than Californian voters being swayed by political commercials and the media.
Allureist 1 year ago
newt gingrich marriage formula= marry, cheat, divorce... REPEAT
markofthebeasts 1 year ago
@markofthebeasts sadly pretty much, but dont call him a hypocrite
idaman12345 1 year ago
It's funny ass hell how these ppl don't see what there doing wrong marriage is for fuckin everyone not just to straughts n notice i did not see not ONE black hand dere so come on ppl VOTE NO WE DESERVE TO BE FREE TO LIVE OUR LIVES
KcTewFLi 1 year ago
If people voted yes to prop 8. Is the people going to be happy to see Gay people SUFFERING because they cannot be themselves? 2000. Wasn't that 10 years ago?
Kylie339 1 year ago
I'm gay, but there's something i do agree with.. why the fuck do you have to teach little children about marriage?? teach them something more important. i mean no wonder why american schools aren't good at all. when i lived back in europe i accually learned useful things. we even learned about american history which i see no point in doing, but anyways.. yeah especially in the south. the state i live in is the 32 in education.. that's not good but it could be worse.
thenewkeg10609 1 year ago
Lets just face it; some times the public just vote for dumb shit and people will intellect have to take control instead.
Blomvik 1 year ago 2
I am still scratching my head wondering why a cult with a history of polygamy is so fired up against gay marriage
MidwestN8TV 2 years ago 2
@MidwestN8TV LDS isn't the only religion that supports Prop 8. Catholics are also for it and many other churches.
FindaSilverLining 1 year ago
@FindaSilverLining True - which is a sick joke considering the Catholic church's leader's knowledge of child rape and doing nothing about it for decades while countless of kids were subjected to rape. The Catholic church is even more sick than the cultish mormons
MidwestN8TV 1 year ago
YES ON PROP 8
littletiger2020 2 years ago
no on 8 stop the hate
MrSparkles69 2 years ago
Sorry, you can post whatever you want. That doesn't make it true or credible.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Laumann is known to be a quack. He tried to argue that being molested as a child will make you gay. He failed to note that only 7.5% of men molested as children grow up to be gay, almost the same percent of the population he claimed to be gay.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Apparently he was right. Molestation does contribute to homosexuality, as does hormonal imbalances, environmental influences, and possibly to a small degree--genetics--but this has never been proven.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Prop 8 is about preserving the natural, normal, healthy family structure, not accepting an abnormal, perverted "family" based on a warped sexual orientation where NOT ONE homosexual couple can EVER have normal sex, procreate, nor provide the most healthy of environments for raising children. Same-sex "marriage" is not just a private union, but a public one that tells society what's healthy for the families, sexuality and raising kids. Prop 8 is discernment, not discrimination.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Not natural, normal, healthy... by whose standards? All major psychological associations in the United States hold the belief that homosexuality is natural, normal and is not a mental illness. Let me ask you this: Is your family based around your sexual orientation? Right, I thought not. Homosexual and heterosexual parents provide the same environments for raising children, further proving that we are just as good for families (based on extensive studies cited by the APA).
BIitzed 2 years ago
Homosexuality was always labeled a disorder until 1973 when homosexual psychologists and supporters inside and outside the APA protested and changed the DSM due to biased "studies" not based on scientific fact. The Hooker study tried to prove homosexuals were psychologically no different, but Hooker herself admitted she had told the participants what the outcome would be and rigged the study. Thousands of psychologist believe homosexuality is still a disorder and can be changed.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Okay, well unfortunately you have no studies to back up your findings, nor your claims about Hooker's study. Of course, you also cannot prove that sexual orientation can be changed.... and why is that? Oh, right, because it never has been! Ex-gay ministries and other so-called "reparative" therapies report a dismal success rate of 10-15%. and almost all of those people later come out as still gay. Even former ex-gay leaders have revealed what they did was all a sham.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Hooker claimed homosexuals werent abnormal or different pathologically than heterosexual men. She deliberately recruited participants from activist organizations who understood the experiment and its purpose to achieve a political objective. As she wrote years later, I knew the men for whom the ratings were made, and I was certain as a clinician that they were relatively free of psychopathology. Signs of instability were all documented by Hooker but not published in the study.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
The 1994 Laumann study, The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United State. was based on a survey of American from the ages of 18 and 60 and is universally recognized as definitive. Numerous large-scale epidemiologic survey have repeatedly confirmed and strengthened its findings. One of the major points of the Laumann study, which the authors themselves did not expect, is that homosexuality as a fixed trait scarcely even seems to exist
Exciteme777 2 years ago
The study factually shows that homosexuality is not a stable trait. The authors found to their surprise that homosexuality tended spontaneously to convert into heterosexuality as people aged. Researchers all over the world have conducted studies on hundreds of thousands of people which strongly confirmed Laumann. Yet the mental health guilds dont even mention it because they have homosexual psychologists in positions of power at the APA hiding the truth.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
"universally recognized as definitive." I call BS. A simple Google search turns up almost nothing except for a few hits debunking Laumann's studies.
" the figures of same-sex sexual activity reported by Laumann are not to be trusted." I found nothing praising him. There were many problems with the methodology of his study. Sorry, but you are undeniably wrong.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Yeah sure. The homosexual organizations are very active in the mental health guilds, and they always "debunk" any contrary views. No matter how hard you try, homosexuality will always be a disorder. Nature's design has made it clear that two members of the same sex can never have sex or children. Any, by the way, your anus isn't a sex organ, so maybe you should use your brain and see what the obvious design for sex truly is.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Professor
B.A. Oberlin College, 1960
M.A. Harvard University, 1962
Ph.D. Harvard University, 1964
Since joining the University in 1973, Professor Laumann has acted as the editor of the American Journal of Sociology, chair of the department of sociology, dean of the division of social sciences, provost of the University of Chicago, and is currently the director of the Ogburn Stouffer Center for Population and Social Organization.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Professor Laumann's many research interests include research on human sexuality among older Americans, cross-nationally (in 29 countries and in China), sexuality in urban places, the spread of sexually transmitted infections vis sexual networks, subjective well-being, quality of life, and health status, social networks in various social contexts, and the urban legal profession.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Laumann's current research projects include the National Survey of Sexual Practices in China (Co-Principle Investigator); the National Social Health and Aging Project, which surveys 3000 men and women aged 57 to 85 in the U.S. (Co-Principle Investigator); analyst for the Global Study of Sexual Attitudes and Behavior, a survey of 27,500 men and women 40 to 80 years of age in 29 countries around the world; and a 20 year followup study of the legal profession in Chicago (Co-Principle Investigator).
Exciteme777 2 years ago
'your anus isn't a sex organ, so maybe you should use your brain and see what the obvious design for sex truly is. ' Tell that to all the straight people who have anal sex. While you're at it, tell them that oral sex is wrong to. I'm sure you'll get a good reaction.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Furthermore, the percentage of heterosexuals who engage in anal sex is really small, not the sine qua non like for homosexuals. The practice of anal sex by heterosexuals is partly due to what society finds acceptable. Finally, if what I say is complete rubbish, no one can change the fact that not one or 200 trillion homosexuals can every have normal sex with genitals.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
We only need to look at the function of the body parts: The mouth consumes food, sucks and licks, so you can argue that oral sex could be just another function of the mouth. The mechanical forces during oral sex do not damage the body, and the mouth is naturally lubricated, but the anus cant lubricate. It was only designed to eject waste one direction, not for sex acts. We use the term sex loosely in our society. Genuine sex is only with the genitals; the others just replicate normal sex.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
I would take the APA's word any day over one scientist's (severely flawed) study.
BIitzed 2 years ago
The majority of the studies didnt investigate the harmful, long-term effects of same-sex marriage households. Other flaws included broad generalizations, vague definitions, conflicting & misrepresentation of data, poor classifications of homosexual feelings & relationships, weak use of statistics, unsupported or misleading statements, and failure to report conflicting evidence contained within the report's own references; the report cannot be trusted and should not be used to define policy.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Dr. Sharon Quick, Clinical Assistant Professor from the WA School of Medicine, analyzed all the major scientific literature used in the 2002 American Academy of Pediatrics Technical Report on Same-Sex Marriage adoptions. The report inaccurately referenced 57% of its scientific literature and was biased. Some background studies were funded by the Lesbian Health Fund of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, the Equity Foundation's Lesbian Project and other pro-homosexual organizations.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
Basically, your argument boils down to fear of change. You use baseless rhetoric and prejudice to deny rights to people that you yourself enjoy. You lied and said that GLBT people are not as good as straights when it comes to parenting. You can't back that up with fact, because according to the American Psychological Association "there is no evidence to suggest that... development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents"
BIitzed 2 years ago
Basically, my argument boils down to fear of destroying the natural, normal, healthy family structure. Why is it that NOT EVEN ONE homosexual couple can have kids? Simple: You weren't meant to be parents in homosexual relationships. So while you crazy, radical liberals claim to go green by fighting for the environment, you're hypocrites who are trying to destroy the natural structure of the family. The APA's studies are supported by many homosexuals who work in it; their studies are biased.
Exciteme777 2 years ago
power to some and not others is not equality but bigotry
charliehorsecinch 2 years ago
i thought all people were supposed to be treated equally
i thought gay people were just people
i thought it dosnt matter wat u r
its wats on the inside that counts
but u telling everybody power to the people and telling people to vote yes on 8 is just like saying gay people arent people
if ur gay its ok
no one should judge or make fun of u for liking the same sex
it dosent mater wat u like
the people who hate gays r the real faggots
aaronfuegopop 2 years ago
And what I also think is that christens dont look at their own religion if god didnt want people to be gay then why did he make us that way
princesskelsey95 3 years ago
God didn't make people gay. it's a choice. God gives people choices. and of course, theres a right choice and a wrong choice, jus lik the choice of whether or not to do drugs. people are making the wrong choice by living a homosexual lifestyle cuz they think love is all about whether or not you get horny from looking at a penis or a vagina
MrBloc7 2 years ago
@MrBloc7 Lmfao. GTFO troll.
DarkRoseST 2 years ago
we did a project in school about it and I did the prop 8 for people 2 vote no on it but a lot of people in my class did it to tell people to vote yes on it. I did a poster on it and had a copy of the bill of rights well #9 states The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. So prop 8 goes agiensed the bill of right? Ya I think so.
princesskelsey95 3 years ago
I strongly disagree with same sex marraige
minimunch117 3 years ago 3
URAH!!!
TeamSTALKERS 3 years ago
the guys who made the ad are probobly drugies!
rubberducknecklace 3 years ago
what this video translates to is a lynch-mob against morality, not power to the people.
goreprosthetics 3 years ago
their old traditions are threatened by the changing world around them..you can't fix stupid
anosiya 3 years ago
The old appeals to racial, sexual, religious shamanism, to rabbit socialist furor are beginning not to work. A new conciseness is developing which seize the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with it self is doomed. -ZeitGeist. Open your eyes to true reality!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
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the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.. SO WHAT IF I GET HATTING ON I DON'T CARE IT'S MY RIGHT TO SPEAK i am loving that this pass keep it up all right....
MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
yea i just hop u no that people r bringing prop 8 to court because its against the constitution
haha
and saying wat u said is just like saying its ok to be racist its one of the best things u can be
aaronfuegopop 2 years ago
The eyes of man sees its shame when she looks upon you. Your desire to enslave again with foolishness and speech rooted in failed hypocrisy. Your presence casts shadows of a recent Presidency failed. I thank God for this. This public forum where YOU unveil the reason gays have retreated for centuries. Concentration camps, untreated AIDS, and now demeaning inequality. We the people must now stand together. Cursed is the man who has seen and yet does not believe. Justice for all!
OutoftheClosetTV 3 years ago 2
In actuality, 5,800,000 votes voted no on Prop 8. 6,200,000 voted Yes on Prop 8. It's a 4% difference. Two years ago, we voted on the same there. There was more than a 12% difference. As education comes, ignorance goes. Free at last, free at last, I thank God Almighty, we are ALMOST free at last.
OutoftheClosetTV 3 years ago 10
WON? Gay men are smarter than straight men. We are more creative. We have better sex. Women like to be around us more than staight men. We are more in tune with our bodies. We are in better shape. We make more money. We save more money. We travel more. We give more. On average, we are smarter, leaner, better educated, and overall more successful.
No wonder you're angry and want us to go back into the closet. If I were you, I'd feel threatened too.
OutoftheClosetTV 3 years ago 12
LOL! YAY!! The truth of life itself! Thank you! Stupid hetero men don't realize how their constricted gender roles affect their life as a whole! We're proof!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
@OutoftheClosetTV i know right? we gay are so much better at everything especially sex we know how to satisfy our partners even lezbos too.
thenewkeg10609 1 year ago
@OutoftheClosetTV
Wow. I'm not against gay marriage but this kind of egotistical stereotyping and hate for straight people is just as disgusting as the bigotry shown by those showing hate for gays.
AHPmusic 1 year ago
@OutoftheClosetTV I'm all for gay marriage and equal rights for everybody, but you seem to be throwing out baseless claims. Might want to work on that... There are no statistics as far as I know for anything you said. Intuitively though, the only thing you said that seems to be objectively true is the "women like us better" :(
Work on your arguments or else you are just as bad as the people who present blatant falsehoods to oppress gay people and preserve so-called "traditional marriage"
Richy15251 10 months ago
@Richy15251 I understand what you are saying, but he makes some good points.
LoftLivingLA 10 months ago
@LoftLivingLA not really, if we just throw out whatever statistics we want and make stuff up on the spot, then we're no better than the people who lie in the defense of their anti-gay bigotry (eg making up claims that children are somehow worse off if raised by a same sex couple).
I can't stress this more, making shit up doesn't help our side.
Richy15251 10 months ago
@Richy15251 It seems to help their side.
LoftLivingLA 10 months ago
Disgusted that this was passed. People are so ignorant.
auzzztin 3 years ago
Those who voted against Prop 8 are the ones who are ignorant. Heterosexual marriage has a 5000+ year documented history supporting its principles. What does same sex marriage have? In case you've never studied the human anatomy it's pretty clear what's designed to go inside what.
thediesel2 3 years ago
No, not really. Same sex marriage affects you in no way so what the hell is your problem? Clearly you're the close minded and ignorant one here.
auzzztin 3 years ago
^^ Idiot.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Oh well shithead, be disgusted all you want. Now you know how people really think when they are discouraged to show their face online or in the streets supporting a certain cause because of MEDIA and PRESSURE GROUP political correctness.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Basically YouTube videos public marches (etc.) are not necessarily represenative because if you hold a politically incorrect view, then you will tend to withold it. So the left, the anti-Prop 8 crew become dominant. Which is of course truly Marcusean.
However when you let people express how they really feel without PC restraints, then they do not tow the leftist line so much.. At all.
floydianworld 3 years ago
I think those 4 judges were smart enough to open their mouths and say that gay's have equal rights!
Sadly Prop 8 did pass [Little fuckers!]
But im still glad that i voted NO!
LeopardPrintNailz 3 years ago
is sad some people think that voting is not to prohibit homosexual marriage, today spoke with 5 people who did not know and voted no on Proposal 8.
this is very sad this is the only thing unfair and wrong.
YES ON 8 PLEASE.
ShaolinMarmol 3 years ago
I am an EX-MORMON for EQUAL RIGHTS!!! California is NOT Utah. VOTE NO on 8. The LDS church can keep their MARRIAGE IN THE TEMPLE, which they believe is of a higher level of love and connection beyond their life on earth. I love my family, who are mostly Mormon, but I will not accept them not allowing the same basic rights to me and my partner. Keep church and state separate!
"LOVE ONE ANOTHER"... How many times did I sing the song as a child???
hyperbry 3 years ago
yes on 8
JAYMOSS99 3 years ago
What a load of fucking horse shit!
justinTEENANGEL 3 years ago
yes on 8
Janelikesphysics 3 years ago 2
Great video!
And despite that amazingly well articulated, persuasive argument from Mr. shyandgay, I think I'm going to have to use my head and say... YES ON 8! It's right for California!
merin42 3 years ago 5
NO to PROP H8!
oxoxMusicxisxlifexox 3 years ago
US the people are taking California back and thats why we're voting NO!! on prop 8!! lol idiot loons who support prop 8 actually think its "their" right! hahaha give me a break bigots!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
dude the people already voted on this in 2000. gay marriage lost. its gonna lose again and the voice of the people will be the final say just like it always has.
drewmillz1 3 years ago
Frist of all! know your props! Prop 22 was to define marriage as a man and a woman thats it! Which only allowed that in the eyes of the LAW ok not religion not the chruch whatever. Prop 8 wants to amend the contitution to make it illigal for gay people to marry, cause we can get married now if we want to. Two completelty different things poeple are ignorant about prop 8 supporters wanna keep it that way so these ignorants will vote yes! Please keep religion out of the government vote no on 8!!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
already voted yes! please keep govt out of religion!
drewmillz1 3 years ago
Exactly keep you religious beleif about marriage out of our constitution and vote NO on 8!!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
I voted today and marked YES for prop 8!
This proposition does not change the civil rights of domestic partners! CA Family Code (sec. 297.5) defines marriages and domestic partnership as civilly equal institutions. The "right" that the amendment eliminates is just the "right" to call themselves one thing when they are another. All of the civil rights are guaranteed by law since 2005!
Yes on 8!
dohryguy 3 years ago 2
Vote NO on Prop 8!
soccrcaptn 3 years ago
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man shutup you dont know anything
afsui 3 years ago
I know that the anti-prop 8 side is winning in the polls.
soccrcaptn 3 years ago
no u shut the fuck up afsui!!!
u dont know shit!
Vote no on 8!!!
shyandgay 3 years ago
wow...that was intelligent....
SopranoJessi 3 years ago
I would vote yes on Prop 8 due to a religious reason, but I'm only 16. I believe that God created marriage to bond two couples that are deeply inlove with each one another, not to create parthnership.
xMarkChristianx 3 years ago
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American Value used to be:
No rights for black people !
No rights for women !
Please think about that !
NO on Prop 8
EQUALITY FOR ALL !
For the women and black people out there who want to vote 'yes', please remember that you once were second class citizens too... don't do the same mistake! Please use your brains and your heart!
forutocome 3 years ago 2
You are right people have a right to marry.
GAYS ARE PEOPLE TOO.
you're just stripping them of their rights.
and on the subject of "kids learning that gay marriage is okay".
They ARE gonna learn that the whole world isn't straight
and if your so unhappy about it then take your kid out of the damn class!
Rastabonez 3 years ago
i thought it was interesting that in Massachusetts the courts ruled that parents have no RIGHT to advance notice when even 2nd graders are taught about homosexuality and gay marriage.
eilun 3 years ago
ya true but thats massachusetts
Rastabonez 3 years ago
its also happened in canada-
theres no reason it will not happen here too.
eilun 3 years ago
Yes on prop 8 does not take away any ones rights. Homosexual partnerships will have all the same rights as married couples. The only difference will be in the name. It is called something different because it is something different. Equality of men and women does not mean calling women men.
bgevas 3 years ago 3
Prop 8 wants to amend the contitution making it illigal for gays to get married! We are not beneath you if anything I think we're above you! Intellegence cannot coexist with ignorance and bigotry! Get smart or get out!
Marvinglz 3 years ago
YESSS on 8!! I refuse to allow my children to think that homosexuality is normal
heygirlhey223 3 years ago
Our rights to teach our children the heart of morals are being challenged right now. Will you stand and fight? I thought so. Yes on 8 forever!!
prop8protectskids 3 years ago
....I'm voting YES on Proposition 8 in CA!
A "YES" means PROTECTING MARRIAGE!
Dangerdoom68 3 years ago
In 2003, 73% of Americans believed invading Iraq was a good idea. Today that number is 33%. Majorities change. Having a majority does mean you are right.
What Prop 8 does is take away existing rights. Under the current Constitution same-sex marriage is legal.
VOTE NO on PROP 8
NOtoPROP8 3 years ago
AWESOME VIDEO!!!
Me & My Friends Are Proud To Stand For Freedom For Our Beautiful State Of California.
Let's unite! You, me, and same-sexuals to vote for freedom, true tolerance for both sides, vote YES! on Prop. 8
abbyeaglefeather 3 years ago
If gay marriage is allowed than we should also allow marriage between animal and human(beastility) and or between an adult and a child. Because that's how wrong this is.
fuuunnnn 3 years ago
That is the smost stupid argument i hear from people.
A VOTE YES ON PROP 8 BREAKS JESUS' COMMANDMENTS. He said,"Treat others the way you would want to be treated." If you were one of the thousands of gay couples who married in California, would you want your marriage declared not valid?? NO, you would not. That goes against the GOLDEN RULE, and against "Love your neighbor as yourself, which would mean you don't love God.
EternalSSA 3 years ago
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Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.(death part are for Christians, who should know better and not for the devil's worshipers in pagan religions)
fuuunnnn 3 years ago
Your argument is rediculous too. Why bring Jesus into it. You haven't read the entire book. Leviticus 18:22- Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable." Please get your Bible out and read it before mentioning Jesus.
latinplaya4u2002 3 years ago
Treating others the way you want to be treated goes beyond Jesus. It predates Him. Back to the subject. You apparently don't know Leviticus. It has silly things that are destestable to God and an abomination. Like: eating shellfish, shaving your beard, touching a pigskin (there goes football), and other trivial matters, so why just pick one???
When you Vote Yes on Prop 8 do me a favor, say this: "I just treated thousands of gays like i would not want to be treated if i was in their shoes."
EternalSSA 3 years ago
Animals and children cannot give consent.
Felidaise 3 years ago
If it were true that redefining marriage would not have an effect on anyone outside of people who are gay and wanting to be married---this would be a simple or even non-issue.
i have talked with many prop 8 supporters. none of them are voting yes because they want gay people to have less rights than straights. we just want to protect our own rights.
no on prop 8 would hurt churches and families--there are ramifications of this law beyond just same-sex marriage.
yerbyf 3 years ago
The Supreme Court got it right. The judiciary exists (in part) to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. We are all entitled to equal protection under the law: gay or not, popular or unpopular.
If a simple majority of Californians voted to ban Christianity, or remove the freedom of the press, or the right to free speech, it would be similarly Unconstitutional.
We don't need to write this kind of discrimination into the constitution. Vote NO on 8!
lwwalker02 3 years ago
Marriage is not a right it is a privilege. I agree with what was said previously about the Supreme Court. Civil unions have been adopted into our laws, just like marriage has. Each has it's own definition. Prop8 makes sure that the definition of marriage is established irrevocably in CA as valid and recognized between a man and a woman only. What same-sex couples want is not marriage, for marriage has & will always be about bringing children into a family with a mother and a father.
wchallzzz 3 years ago
I wish people like UAMILASHKA, would stop and think on their onwn, instead of regurgitating 1960 hate propaganda. Step out of your environment and use what god has givin all of us. Im not speaking based on lies,ignorance or what Joe Schmoe sais, Im a history graduate from UCLA and history is repeating itself because people forget about the past. Prop 8 is a silent hate proposition being masked by religious organizations and the poor people who are unwilling to think on their own.
eagomez00 3 years ago
Please don't assume Prop. 8 supporters are unwilling to think on their own. Not only were there 3 dissenting Supreme Court justices who declared the people's support of traditional marriage absolutely constitutional, but most of the state supreme courts that have taken up this issue have not found protection of traditional marriage to be at odds with their state constitutions.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago
Everyone has a right to their own religion and lifestyle.
Whether it is a choice or not, it doesn't matter.
By the government allowing homosexual marriages, it does NOT affect anyone elses life but theres, so why is everyone making such a big deal out of it.
It is their life, NOT yours!
mirhorselover11 3 years ago
I would feel that way if it really didn't affect anyone else's life but theirs. However, like a stone dropped in a pond, there is a ripple effect that is far reaching. I encourage you to think of how this will affect schools and religious institutions. Will the change be gradual? Perhaps, but it truly would affect others' lives.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago
Well then, why not instead, ask for it to not be taught in schools if it is such a big deal.
mirhorselover11 3 years ago
I wish I could. Unfortunately there have already been cases (for example, one in Massachusetts) where a parent's request to even just be NOTIFIED when gay marriage would be discussed in school was vehemently denied by the teacher and school administration.
Passing prop 8 is the only way to guarantee that the parents voice will be heard on what their own children are taught about gay marriage in public schools.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago
He was denied his request because of his definition of what constituted a discussion of gay marriage. His child came home with a "diversity bag," wherein one of the books had one page that depicted a s same-sex family.
Not only does California education code give parents the right to determine what their child will learn when it comes to sexuality, all we're talking about here is a non-judgmental depiction of same-sex couples.
zortnac 3 years ago
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The Religious Institutions and people that are intolerant against civil rights, are once again using religion to mask their anti-gay true feelings. I keep hearing that "it is the will of the majority of the people that marriage be between a man and a woman". In 1967, 90% OF AMERICANS OPPOSED INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE upon the Supreme Court Ruling in Loving vs Virginia. . Majority rule does not always guarantee justice. Please Vote NO on Prop 8, be a civil rights advocate and don't eliminate rights.
eagomez00 3 years ago
This is an amazing and powerful video! Thank you for your creative voice to this important proposition!
wkaneen 3 years ago
Its disengenuous to call marriage a "right". Rights that have only existed for less than 60days.
Judges do have a right to interpret the constituition, but in this case there was nothing to interpret. They just created a special right out of thin air. The judges over stepped their boundries.
The passing of Prop 8 will do nothing to take away rights.
DTSN106 3 years ago
WE need to vote Yes on Prop 8 to protect our children.
bella9cat 3 years ago
Amending the Constitution to curtail rights is a very dangerous precedent. Who will be next? Perhaps you.
sammyseattle 3 years ago
Excellent video...how can we let this happen? Unite Californians and let your voice be heard for the people and the future generations. We set the trends that others follow.
Fishman3837 3 years ago
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix This a famous quote by Leon Bazile 1967 Supreem Court Judge in Virginia, you and Leon Bazile have similar thoughts on civil rights issues. Please think, and don't regurgitate false religious hateful propaganda.
eagomez00 3 years ago
Choosing not to endorse someone's actions is not hate. Don't paint people who support Prop 8 as villains! Tolerance is a two way street.
uamilashka 3 years ago
You are so blinded as some Europeans were when The Catholic Church in 1936 chose to turn the other way when the Nazi party was eliminating the rights of Jews in Germany. Prop 8 is ELIMINATING the rights of some people to mary. Read the ballot title it clearly states, ELIMINATE THE RIGHTS OF MARIAGE. Eliminating anyones rights is un American. Using the excuse of religion is cowardly the true reason is uncomfortability that you have against some people in our society. Please say no to have NO on 8
eagomez00 3 years ago
You talkin about tolerance being a two way street, you are being hypocritical. No one is being intolerant of Heterosexual Marriage, but you are being intolerant of homosexual marriage! Your lack of knoledge on the substance is obvious, proposition 8, WILL NOT FORCE HOMOSEXUAL TEACHINGS IN SCHOOL. That is one of the bigest lies that pronents of prop 8are using as a scare tacktick. That is the same excuse the church used in 1967, about blacks and whites marying.
eagomez00 3 years ago
If the teaching in our schools that homosexual marriage and heterosexual marriage are equal and the same what is going on in Mass. and now in CA? Children in K thru 1st grade are being taught about it w/o parents consent & sometimes knowledge. Read the news yesterday about the teacher in SF whose whole class was paraded to her lesbian marriage during school hours. If that had been a heterosexual marriage and it was made a big tado over everyone would be crying foul and those involved fired.
wchallzzz 3 years ago
YES on Prop 8!
Let the voice of the people be heard on November 4th!
uamilashka 3 years ago
The Religious Institutions and people that are intolerant against civil rights, are once again using religion to mask their anti-gay true feelings. I keep hearing that "it is the will of the majority of the people that marriage be between a man and a woman". In 1967, 90% OF AMERICANS OPPOSED INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE upon the Supreme Court Ruling in Loving vs Virginia. . Majority rule does not always guarantee justice. Please Vote NO on Prop 8, be a civil rights advocate and don't eliminate rights.
eagomez00 3 years ago
Prop 8 doesn't eliminate any rights. If it doesn't pass, it may eliminate free speech, religious freedoms, and worst of all, the ability for parents to decide when their child should learn about the MINORITY who choose to practice homosexuality. I'm not against the people who practice such, I'm against the fact that they feel that all people need to embrace their actions. I'm voting YES on Prop 8 to protect what I believe marriage should stand for, and to protect the family as designed by God.
uamilashka 3 years ago
For those heterosexuals that use the excuse that homosexuality is a choice, how would you know if you are not gay. How can you possibly know for sure what a person other than your self thinks. It's impossible for that statement to be validated coming from a heterosexual. The Society of Pediatrics, Council of Psychology and numerous Medical Journals all agree that homosexuality is not a choice but biological in origin, like being black, white, short, tall, fat or skinny.
eagomez00 3 years ago
The people's right to ammend the constitution through referendum is just as important as the judges right to interpret the constitution. It is an important check on the power of judges that has always existed, and one that I believe should be excercised on Nov. 4.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago
If the people are asking for the passing of Proposition 8, then here is where the government should step is and reassure us that everyone in USA will be not have a fence on what they can or can't do, especially if this country is supposed to be that of equal oppurtunity for every style of walk of life.
Scalywag66 3 years ago
3 branches of gov. est. by our founding fathers with their wisdom to know in advance the oft madness of the majority. Vote no on 8. And note, Connecticut has joined Mass, and California in seeing the good and the light.
jerrydoubleu 3 years ago
We do not live under mob rule. The California Supreme Court did exactly what it was designed to do: determine which laws are unconstitutional.
Proposition 22 was unconstitutional, and Proposition 8 harms families, harms equality, and writes discrimination in to our state constitution.
zortnac 3 years ago
Nope. The court's decision was simply the imposition of the policy preferences of four individuals over the vote of the people of California. Read the opinion and see the contortions they go through to explain why marriage is simply a matter of individual choice for gays but not for (say) polygamists. No legal logic there -- just the willful imposition of personal policy preferences. Clearly not what the court was "designed to do."
TSRidington 3 years ago 3
There was nothing contorted or contrived about the Judges', 3 of the 4 of whom are republican, majority opinion. The ruling found that sexual orientation was a suspect class, and that via the understanding of the right to marry that was established in Sharp v Perez, denying same-sex couples access to legal marriage was unconstitutional under the state's equal protection clause.
This has nothing to do with polygamy.
zortnac 3 years ago
Wrong again -- read footnote 52 of the Supreme Court opinion.
All I am asking is that you explain why, *as a matter of California constitutional law*, gays should be allowed to marry as they choose but not polygamists. The Supreme Court offers no such explanation. This means either (1) the justices lacked the mental ability to grasp the illogic (doubtful) or (2) the decision was dictated by policy preference rather than law.
TSRidington 3 years ago
What does that footnote have to do with what I said? The ruling does not change anything about the legality of polygamy in the state. The ruling was based on three key elements, the definition of the right of marriage set in perez v sharp, the ruling of sexual orientation as a suspect class, and the equal protection clause in the CA constitution.
Can you name for me a class that is currently given rights to polygamy while another class is denied it?
zortnac 3 years ago
I will if you can name for me a class that is denied the right to marry someone of the same gender while another class is denied that right.
Under your view of the equal protection clause, the CA Supreme Court's opinion should have come out the other way.
I ask again: can you explain why, *as a matter of California constitutional law*, gays should be allowed to marry as they choose but not polygamists?
TSRidington 3 years ago 2
The right to marry, as established by the ruling in Perez v Sharp, is the right to marry the person of one's choosing, not "someone of the same gender"
Heterosexuals are given the right to marry the person of their choosing, and before the ruling in "In Re Marriage Cases" this past summer, homosexuals were a class that were not afforded such a right.
To answer your polygamy question, I ask you again: show me a class that is allowed it and a class that is not.
zortnac 3 years ago
You refer to homosexuals as a class, but seem to reject the notion that polygamists could also be considered a class, and one potentially denied the "right to marry the person of their choosing."
You may reject this notion for the very reason that many disagree with redefining traditional marriage to include same-gender relationships.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago
Polygamists are not being denied their right to marry the person of their choosing, but any extra marriages beyond that likely won't be legally recognized.
Moreover, the argument for same-sex marriage is heavily based on discrimination: monogamous marriage is afforded to straight couples, but not to same-sex couples.
No one is being allowed legal polygamy while another group is denied it.
zortnac 3 years ago
I'm glad we agree that there are limits on what should be legally recognized as marriage.
prop8isgreat 3 years ago