Stop the God damn TAX BREAKS for the filthy rich, they haven't suffered AT ALL during this global depression!
Millionaires (and Billionaires) averaged an additional 27% PROFIT during 2010! 2011 will probably be another record breaking money maker for those already RICH!
At the same time, Republicans want to CUT taxes MORE? Ignore the environment?
Get off the backs of little people and start TAXING THE RICH the way they SHOULD BE TAXED!
PEOPLE NEED TO SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF PRIMARIES IN MOST STATES.
IF YOU DO NOT SWITCH IN TIME,
IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED REPUBLICAN YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.
IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN PRIMARY, NO GENERAL ELECTION ! REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN. FIND OUT WHEN YOUR STATE HAS PRIMARIES. FIND OUT WHERE AND VOTE VOTE VOTE ! PLEASE!
WE NEED EVERY LAST VOTE ! Copy and paste, Thumb them UP!
As much as I like what he says he's just like every other politician. They all promise you the world till they get in the office and nothing. Our presidents are nothing but muppets. They really have no true say on what's going on, they are controlled to say and do what they do. I'll keep it to your imagination on who controls them since that's a whole another topic.
Tea Party wants low taxes without any cuts to their benefits and services. Sacrifices are always welcome...as long as OTHERS do the sacrificing. The Tea Party relys 100% on "fuzzy math" a la Dubya.
Cut taxes, support big business and pray a lot. Sounds like a plan to me!
Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and their "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
@Chelsea4President completely untrue. RP does vote and preach to cut down on Federal regulations and to some, that may seem like a bad idea. But what you're missing is that without the oversight of the federal govt your state will pick up the slack. The population can vote on having a state option for healthcare or drug control or education or whatever. But, if your elections prove you don't want something, you dont have to have it. Its all about more CONTROL and more INVOLVEMENT from the people
I'm not a republican't or a democrap. I'm a member of the One Nation Peace Party.
We need to get a leash on those monster corporations before they gobble up America like a piece of candy. So if Ron Paul wins, the citizens can go to work ourselves on limiting those corporations -- and strengthening America's royalty, our small businesses.
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From the Party of DEREGULATION of business that has led to the demise of the Lower and then the Middle Classes, RON PAUL AND HIS ASSHOLE SUPPORTERS WANT MORE DEREGULATION.
Claiming he's a defender of freedom, his TRUE AIM IS A TOTAL OLIGARCHY.
NO SOCIAL PROGRAMS, NO RETURN OF BUSINESS TO THE US, NO TAXES IN BUSINESS. ANARCHISTIC CAPITALISM AT ITS WORST.
this guys a fool u can`t even get a credit card these daysand my 75 yr old mom was using credit cards to pay her bills on time with 25 percent intrest.how about how much the gov pays for a gallon of gas in afganastan 400$ i think we know whos blowing the high dollars.health insurance and taxes makes my wifes check look like a rebate. annd when i go to the dentisit i got to shell out cash so i don`t even botheri havent been out to dinner in ages literally
Ron Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and, "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
@ignbtd Slavery was a good thing, right....as long as YOU didn't have to work for "minimum".
That's the problem with Republicans and personal sacrifices. Suffering and struggling was always an exceellent idea, as long as OTHERS did the suffering and the struggleing.
You are a bunch of revers-Christian, self-serving, comnpassion free assholes, and the general public is getting wise to it.
You can't win elections with nothing more than a few million neo-nazi seniors and dogmatic dim-wits.
Ron Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and their "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
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Another candidate who approves of sacrifices....as long as it's OTHERS who do the sacrificing. One of the most anti-social "visionaries" on today's political scene. "Let them eat cake". That sums it up for Mr. Paul.
@JJbones88 I don't think you're looking for anything other than more of a never-ending argument.
Ron Paul is VERY anti-social and completely without compassion for those suffering the most in America. If you need "further details" about this FACT, then you clearly are in it just to argue.
@zerogullibility Wow nice knee jerk reaction- you have done apparently superficial research into the candidate by failing to see he is the only one addressing the cause of problems, not just their symptoms. He is far more compassionate then any establishment goon.
@wishmolly The Patriot act was idiotic. But that doesn't mean Paul is the only one who understands the Constitution. I wouldn't vote for any of the Republicans...
@PierzStyx That's not strictly knowable. The patriot act is still in place, but to what extent it's used we can't be sure. We do know that under Obama we have ended torture of detainees and secret prisons. But you could count the number of voters for whom the patriot act is the big issue on your fingers. No one even gives a fuck about the fact we got Bin Laden or Obama's record on terrorism in general. All that security concern has been replaced by the deficit and calling Obama a "socialist"
@butuh13 No. We know Obama has said he would stop doing those things, but no evidence has emerged to prove he has, and some that suggests he hasn't. stopped using it. Its just not getting big news during his administration. And I know a lot of people who are still worried about the PA. Ron Paul isn't getting traction form it because no one cares.
@PierzStyx Obama signed an executive order ending secret prisons and Bush era interrogation tactics. If Obama was still waterboarding detainees don't you think Republicans would be talking about it? I agree that the Patriot Act should be done away with. But I'm not gonna vote for Ron Paul based on that issue alone. Sorry.
@butuh13 Actually Obama signed an executive order that forbid any interrogation technique not in the ARmy Field Manual, and only applied to "armed combatants". This did not outlaw waterboarding, only limited where used. As 2 secret prisons,ONLY the CIA had 2 close their secret prisons. This does nothing for the prisons being run by the FBI, National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, and Defense Intelligence Agency, or facilities run by government paid PMC groups like Blackwater.
@PierzStyx On top of that he still sends detainees to countries that still use regular torture for "interrogation." I literally just googled "Obama torture" and examples of continued torture by the Obama Administration popped up. I'd link if YouTube allowed me too. One of the examples is Bradley Manning, the one who got the state documents 4 WikiLeaks has been tortured and SD officials have quit over it and made the torture public. Torture still happens, do not be deceived.
@PierzStyx That's odd, because the executive order applies to any one held by US forces and made interrogation conform to the Geneva Conventions definition of torture, which would mean no waterboarding. But again, if Obama was doing waterboarding the Republicans would never stop talikng about=-Does Ron Paul assert that we are still waterboarding and using secret prisons?
@wishmolly How do you get the idea that abortion is the only issue I disagree with Paul on? He would hand over too much power to corporations while eroding the gov's ability to address corporate abuse. He opposes the minimum wage (nothing like slave wages...) he would eliminate FEMA, and he thinks that 50 bureaucracies at the state level are somehow better than one at the federal level. Is that enough for you? Or is it just reproductive freedom you don't care about?
@wishmolly Personal freedom, the right to privacy, and the equality of women are non-negotiable human rights issues. That you would trade them for more jobs is idiotic and puts you in the minority- most Americans would not support a presidential candidate who opposes reproductive freedom like Ron Paul. Paul couldn't do anything to create jobs anyway. He would only erode the government's ability to address corporate abuse.
@wishmolly Paul would appoint an anti-abortion justice to the supreme court. How the fuck does the next president simply undo that? The conservative slant of the court is hardy a "petty" issue. Ron Paul is a kook who would hand America over to the whims of corporations.Like all conservatives,Paul would erode our only way to balance corporate abuse. I will never support a self proclaimed conservative Republican candidate who trusts big corporations more than the duly elected government.
@butuh13 I don't have a problem with certain states making it illegal. I really don't. If the federal government would butt out of the situation, we would have less politicians running campaigns on a federal pro-life platform. Truth is, Roe vs. Wade gave the go-ahead for feds to control the law, which allows the pro-lifers to federally control YOU as well. By the way, I hate talking about this issue. How to make a libertarian face-palm? Mention abortion.
@butuh13 I'm not going to answer that question because I never proposed any of those things. Once again, assuming things I've never said. I'm for states rights. Not a dissolved federal government. Do you think I could vote for a candidate because he best represents my views, or should I find someone who I agree with in every single department? Oh wait, then I wouldn't vote at all...
@buriedbyfate The USPS doesn't stop UPS and FedEx and DHL...etc from doing business. You have exactly no point here. It's just shallow blather from a child. Holy fuck you're stupid...and you are clearly a pawn of the cult of libertarian mania that surrounds Ron Paul. It's obviously impenatrable.
@butuh13 Actually the usps does stop those companies from delivering first class mail. The USPS is a monopoly on first class mail. That's my point, and I don't agree with that type of business practice in the modern day world.
@buriedbyfate I don't need to justify whether or not the USPS is "necessary" because it's in the fucking constitution, you moron. It's not subject to a debate about being necessary, because it's fucking constitutional! But yes, it's necessary for a shitload of businesses that use it to advertise and sell their products, if nothing else. Do you propose a constitutional amendment to eliminate it? Is the elimination of the fucking postal system your argument for why Ron Paul should be president?
@butuh13 And I'm not a "pawn" of any "cult", sir. You're a very angry and hateful individual. I'd hate to be debating you in real life, you probably would have physically attacked me already for disagreeing with your political beliefs. Very disturbing.
@buriedbyfate Let's review: you were first to resort to personal attacks, yet feel threatened by me. You said I was too focused on FEMA, but now only focus on the USPS. You claim that I'm wrong about how many states would make abortion illegal without Roe v. Wade, then when challenged on the subject you leave that argument. The mania surrounding Paul is characterized by people with an illogically idealized notion of states rights that's based on making the fed out to be a monster. Yawn...
@butuh13 Nah, you said "abortion would be illegal in half the states" which isn't true. Then, I stated my opinion on the feds controlling abortion in general. I never ran from the argument. I also never said you were too focused on FEMA... I said you were too focused on making excuses for the failure of FEMA, blaming it on "republicans". When it wasn't really the "republicans", it was George Bush. And I apologize for calling you a twit. At least I didn't troll your videos like child. *yawwnn*
@buriedbyfate Well if you want to be literal, I didn't say abortion would be illegal in half the states, I just asked you if it would be ok with you if it was. But it would be illegal in more than not, and depending on those other nine as many as 30 of 50. So, a 15 year old in Memphis, pregnant after being raped could go to-Tennessee? No. Kentucky? Arkansas ? North Carolina? No. It would be a nine hour drive to Chicago to abort her rapists baby. And I guess that's fine with you libertarians...
@butuh13 That would be a terrible situation. But it's simply not my fight, and you haven't convinced me not to vote for Ron Paul. If there is a pro-choice candidate who has been voting for 20+ years against the wars, against drug prohibition, against gun control, against government spying, who odilizes MLK, Rosa Parks and Ghandi, who believes in a non-aggression principle, who believes in non violent civil disobedience as a solution, please let me know, and I will PROMOTE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
@buriedbyfate You wrote- "it's simply not my fight" I gotta tell you, the defense of reproductive freedom and the right to privacy is everyone's fight. The court is so conservative already, all it would take to make that situation a reality is another conservative replacing Ginsberg. Think about that when you vote for the Republican. Whether you think it's your fight or not, it will be on your hands.
@butuh13 I didn't ask you if it was in the constitution. I asked if you thought it was nessesary. Also, like I said, competition between states promotes higher quality services. It's not an assumption, is the nature of competition in general. Do you understand that or are you going to keep asking me loaded questions, while refusing to answer mine?
@buriedbyfate I did answer your childish question, you're just too dumb to know it. But I'll try in a way even you might get- I have NO problem with the USPS. I don't think it's an example of oppressive government, it's a federal agency that even Ron Fucking Paul can't eliminate because it's in the constitution. GET IT? They should raise their rates...but they do not get tax payer money.
@buriedbyfate Now YOU tell me- why is it better to think of yourself as, say, a Californian above thinking of yourself as an American? Why would it be better if abortion were illegal in half the states? Or if each state had different environmental standards, immigration law and workplace safety guidelines and air traffic control authority? Should airbags only be required in some states? Competition? Your ideal of competition is a recipe for an utterly unworkable lack of commercial cohesion.
@butuh13 Abortion would not be illegal in half the states. It might be illegal in some, but it would only result in people coming to your state to get abortions. Which would make more people want to live in a state where abortions are legal. And you're still an American even if you're from California.
@buriedbyfate If Roe were overturned, abortion would become totally illegal in 21 states, remain legal in 20 and in the other 9 it's uncertain. If you think it's acceptable to create a situation in America wherein low income women would have to travel from their home state where they would be considered murderers to get medical treatment that's perfectly legal in another state your simply an idiot.
Did you miss the part where I said this had gotten really boring?
@butuh13 states rights are important because it allows for choice of the individual to live in an easily accessable government of their choice. It's a system that promotes competition between states and results in a higher quality of government services. It also promotes local and community politics.
@butuh13 We were having a conversation about RON PAUL, yet you consistantly have devolved the conversation into an argument about the total loss of all federal agencies, all of which I supposedly "hate". I've brought up multiple problems with multiple agencies and have given multiple alternatives, but I have never proposed the dissolving of the federal govt. By the way, you suck at the drums, man. Please don't talk about my band when you can't even keep a solid tempo.
@buriedbyfate WHY ARE 50 AGENCIES BETTER THAN ONE???? That is the first fucking question I asked you, kid, and you've NEVER answered it. I'm talking about federal agencies because Ron Paul wants to eliminate them, whether you know that or not. He thinks Roe vs Wade should be overturned, whether you know that or not.
And in one of my videos I'm playing in an odd time signature- 11/8, whether you know it or not....
Holy fucking shit has this gotten boring....like death metal did....20 years ago.
@butuh13 disaster relief has been left in the hands of communities, businesses and individuals for a long time. Some of the oldest federal relief efforts look more like free trade agreements than supply efforts. The Fema we have now is a part of homeland security. Its policies include confiscation of firearms, curfews and blockades. Replace Fema with freedom to travel and trade with disaster zones.
@buriedbyfate I must say that, if only in the case of Katrina, blockades, curfews and the control of firearms would have been a help. All that seems pretty basic in a situation where local authority is insufficient to maintain the peace and facilitate the implementation of relief efforts. I just don't see that as a threat. I think you're paranoid...I know some right wingers believe FEMA is coming to take them off to concentration camps...some people think Obama was born in Kenya too...
@buriedbyfate Do you think responding to Katrina should have been the sole responsibility of the state of Louisiana? Really? Because I have a lot of friends in New Orleans and every one of them wanted MORE from the federal government, not less.... Small government is a swell idea...until a major city gets destroyed by a natural disaster....or terrorists...then all of a sudden people start wishing government were bigger...
@butuh13 I think katrina should have been the responsibility of individuals, relief groups, small and large businesses alike, the state of louisiana and any other state or organization who could have helped. Including the federal government and large corporations. But that DOESN'T mean setting up blockades, taking guns or instituting martial law. You're also skewing my words alot. I never said that it should be viewed as a free trade opportunity, you dumbass. I was just stating historical facts.
@buriedbyfate I have never found it necessary to call you a "dumbass" or a "lowlife" Perhaps that's a function of being a Paul supporter. YOU wrote- "Replace Fema with freedom to travel and trade with disaster zones."
I'm trying to figure out what the hell that means...YOU referred to "trade"
Shootings in New Orleans had exactly nothing to do with the federal government or FEMA or anything Ron Paul might hope to change...I don't see what your point is there either.
@butuh13 Yes, replace the restrictive and authoritarian policies of fema with FREEDOM OF THE INDIVIDUAL. Is that hard to understand? You frickin low life.
"@buriedbyfate The freedom of the individual!!!!" Great fucking slogan, great bromide, great thing to put on a sign to take to the tea party rally....but tell me what that means in a practical sense in the case of a natural disaster??? Let people be "free" to loot? Provide food and water through "free trade"? Enough with the shallow slogans! Should Bush have stood in Jackson Square and said "The government is not going to help here, we're leaving it all up to individual freedom." Huh???
@butuh13 You want to get rid of FEMA and when asked what it should be replaced by you say "individual freedom" To you realize how naive that sounds? Try living in reality....
New Orlean's problem wasn't too much involvement by "restrictive, authoritarian" government, it was TOO LITTLE. Not one person suffering from the devastation was saying "If only the government would go away and stay out of this..." A LOT are still saying they did too little...
@butuh13 You have an inability to debate without resorting to sensationalism. Fema would be loved if they actually facilitated in helping people! But they DIDN'T, and they ADMITTED IT! They kept food, water, and help from coming into the disaster zone! BECAUSE OF BUSHES AUTHORITARIAN LEGISLATION. But you still want to force me to pay for that?? And I'm supposed to support it???? People shouldn't be free to loot, but they should be free to protect themselves against looters with FIREARMS.
@buriedbyfate Unfortunately bad things happen, but when you get federal government involved it always goes south!!!! I've been trying to explain this to you, but apparently you don't even see my argument, you only see my "slogans" when they aren't slogans, i'm giving you answers.
@buriedbyfate No, you're only proving that you have no answer. But I actually appreciate the sort of idealistically naive idea that if we just leave everything up to some romantic concept of individual liberty and "free trade" that we won't really need government because free people will provide for each other in times of need and will be self policing and we won't have to tax people to enforce any sort of regulatory oversight or provide any sort of social safety net... but it's unrealistic.
@butuh13 You also have an inablity to reason without coming to a conclusion which uses the force of the federal government. I'm telling you that large businesses donate more to relief efforts than federal government has ever done. Unfortunately, the federal government wants to be the sole hero during an event. Even though they come 3 days late, and stop anyone else from helping. Are you going to give me a solution to that? Or just pray that Obama will fix Fema?
@buriedbyfate And you are unable to debate without resorting to childish name calling. SO...under the Paul administration, a disaster occurs and it's not the representative government that we should look to for any aid, it's the charitable instincts of "business" that will take care of it? It always comes back to having more trust in corporations than the duly elected government with you guys. I swear, conservatives worship "business" way more than liberals worship government. It's nuts.
@butuh13 I worship the fruits of ones labor, including business, government and individual actions and consequences. In my opinion, the problems with katrina occurred because after 9/11, FEMA prioritized almost all of its efforts on facilitating authority powers after terrorist attacks, rather than relief efforts that facilitate actual help. See, you fail to realize this because you're stuck on making excuses for FEMA. There is no excuse for what they did. Also, I'm a liberal, not conservative.
@buriedbyfate I also have to say that there's no way Ron Paul would be dumb enough to assert that FEMA, which was created by our duly elected representatives, only exists because the government wants to be the hero.
@butuh13 Ron Paul would assert that FEMA exists to facilitate relief efforts for disaster areas within the U.S, but will also assert that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What we've see over and over again in government is that new laws and agencies will always overcompensate and surpass their intentions. This is the problem with central planning and centralized government. The existence of unchecked power will always be abused. The founding fathers fought a war against it.
@buriedbyfate Your government is not the monster you imagine it is. At least we can compel what it can or can't do by voting. You said yourself that you support the concept of representative democracy. Why are you so hateful of the services and oversight established by those we elect to represent us? Again, it didn't fall out of the sky. I don't feel like the USPS, the FAA, the National Park Service, the FDA, the EPA, the USDA, wield abusive, unchecked power. But corporations...
@butuh13 USPS is losing billions of dollars a month. It has the sole monopoly on first class mail. It has become a hotbed for spam and scammers. Large meat businesses have linfiltrated the FDA to shut down their small farm competition across the board. The EPA supports the taxation of carbon, a knee jerk policy fueled by armageddon-like paranoia and propaganda. The FAA has its share of problems. Talk to some pilots. The USDA sucks. Ask the farmers.
@butuh13 "At least we can compel what it can or can't do by voting" No, we live in a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. Sorry. And I'm not hateful. I just don't want to be forced into a federal system which blackballs the states on almost every issue. It's totally unamerican, unconstitutional and immoral. Where do we draw the line on federal government? Should we just become "The Federal State of America"?
@buriedbyfate OH, you're a liberal....a liberal who supports an anti-abortion Texas Republican who wants to erode the fed's ability to balance corporate abuse, and who promotes himself as having the most conservative voting record in Congress for president. That makes about as much sense as everything else you've said....
@butuh13 What's conservative for Ron Paul isn't nesessarily conservative in the modern day world. Ron Paul bases his "conservative" voting record on fiscal conservatism, and the concept that states rights still matter, an idea that was thrown out many decades ago. His personal opinion on abortion may be socially conservative, but his stance on keeping the feds out of the issue is liberal. Do you know what a classical liberal is?
@buriedbyfate Ron Paul's "personal opinion on abortion" paired with his opinion on states rights as it pertains to that issue, would result in millions of woman being subject to potential murder charges were they to abort their rapist's baby. In my view you can't support that and legitimately call yourself a liberal. Sorry.
@butuh13 Do you honestly think that would happen? Look at death penalty laws in America. Only a few states still impose it. You're such a sensationalist, man. Calm down and take a look at reality.
@buriedbyfate Reproductive choice is perhaps the central social issue of our time. I find it offensive that you consider my principled stand on that issue "sensationalist" You call yourself liberal but want to hand the presidency to a man who is anti-choice. I find THAT sensationally illogical. You don't think the gov is inadequately representative, but have faith that Paul will represent you. You contradict yourself at every turn.
@butuh13 No. I find your "predictions" sensationalist, you twit. You're like one of these people who believe if we end the wars in the middle east that they'll come here and commit more attacks. Or that if we end the drug war, every child in america would be addicted to heroin. I'm pro choice, sir. I'm just not compelled that the federal government should have a say. Do you understand the difference?
@buriedbyfate I think we should end our involvement in the middle east and legalize pot. Those are two things I agree with Paul on. Surprised? I AM a liberal who, unlike you, finds abortion to be an important issue in assessing a potential president. I oppose capital punishment. I think the wealthy should pay a higher % of income tax. I don't think federal oversight is "immoral" like you do. I think building a border fence is stupid and impractical. What makes YOU and Ron Paul liberal?
@buriedbyfate Federal agencies aren't perfect but you offer no alternative. Your cry of "states rights" is an impractical libertarian slogan. Should each state have it's own agency and it's own rules for air traffic control, food safety, the testing of medicines, environmental protection...? The federal agencies you hate provide the public minimum confidence to buy food, drugs, air travel...the market for those things couldn't function without the confidence that comes from FEDERAL oversight.
@butuh13 Once again, you're being a sensationalist and not arguing in reality. Once again, a single libertarian president could never dissolve any of those federal programs. Once again, you're arguing against pure anti-federal libertarianism, which i'm not. You're assuming things about me and calling me hateful, when you're obviously the hateful one. You're hateful towards anyone who doesn't want to be forced into a giant federalist state. Which is immoral and you, sir, are a statist.
@buriedbyfate I do not consider the existence of federal regulatory agencies "immoral" Just because I don't share your hate or fear or whatever of our government doesn't make me a statist.You assume at least as much about me as I do about you.I know a lot of people support Ron Paul and I'm trying to figure out what he & they believe. You claim to know what Paul would do, but so far only tell me what he COULDN'T DO, like overturn Roe v Wade or eliminate agencies. It's frustrating and very weird.
@butuh13 I am pro choice and an Atheist. I support Ron Paul. Obviously I do not agree with Ron on everything. I am also anti war, Ron is the only choice for me. Most important to me is my individual freedoms and rights. Being a liberal I want to live the way I want and think the way I want. What other candidate is there? Ron Paul is the only one that I trust.
@energyparticle So, as a pro choice atheist, you only trust an anti abortion Christian for president? Who is currently stopping you from being free "think the way you want"???
@butuh13 The freedom part mostly comes from the patriot act, guantanamo bay (secret prisons), torture, mandates, regulations. I don't agree with how my gov treats others not only Americans. Also monetary policy although I have a different view than Paul I do agree the system is flawed. I understand Pauls view on abortion but I will always defend a woman's right to choose. continued....
@butuh13 What power does the executive branch have? The commander and chief has almost exclusive power over our military. Ron Paul knows this well and I have no doubt he would act immediately to start bringing troops home from all over the world. On this alone he gets my vote. Many of the other topics the president, congress and senate have to work together.
@butuh13 Thinking the way I want? The libertarian understand that power lies with the individual, not in a group or a corporation. I know we are not a democracy but I feel we should try and move closer to it not farther away. If an individual does not or has not possessed a power or a right than you cannot delegate it to groups, corporation or body of Government. The individual is the source of sovereign power. Ron Paul reminds us of these fundamentals that our country was founded on.
@energyparticle No one is controlling your thought. You are not the victim you pretend to be.Paul promotes himself as a CONSERVATIVE. He is a Republican. Period.
@buriedbyfate Perhaps the most instructive thing I've learned from you about Paul's supporters is that they can't clearly articulate what they want to replace the big bad government with,if someone asks them they call them names and leave insulting comments on their YouTube channel, they pretend to be "liberal", and they think anyone who feels government has a legitimate function is a "statist" and they are basically pretty paranoid... Am I leaving anything out?
@butuh13 Yeah, that was really mature. Make an insulting personal attack and end the conversation. Jerkoff. You can't even admit that the postal service could be filled by the free market. THAT'S what makes you a statist.
@buriedbyfate I'm just tired of your inability to answer a question or even really explain what you believe....you keep contradicting yourself and your fallback has always been to insult me...I guess you can dish it out but can't take it, huh? But I do think your band is silly....sorry...
This is going nowhere and I have better things to do....I think YOU said that at one point...perhaps that's the only thing we can agree on...although maybe you think that guy sounds like sasquatch too....
@butuh13 The only federal programs I "hate" are the drug war and our foreign policy. I don't nesessarily hate the FDA, or the FAA, or the USPS. I do believe, however, that in the abscense of the FDA, multiple cosumer product review boards would fill the market gap, and in this age of technology it might not be a bad idea. And the USPS should be dissolved and the ban on first class mail should be lifted. Are you such a statist that you can't at least imagine a free market in first class mail?
@buriedbyfate I hate to think of what a cluster fuck it would be to have to navigate the disorganization of myriad "individuals, businesses, relief groups, the state..." for some help, when your city has been destroyed and become lawless. The response to a massive disaster is better served by a central coordinating agency. FEMA's failure during the Bush administration was due to the fact that an unqualified political crony was running it. That was Republican's fault, not FEMAs.
@buriedbyfate During the Clinton admin FEMA was run by James Lee Witt and was considered an excellent and effective agency, responding to massive Midwest floods in 1993, the Northridge earthquake in 1994 and the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.George Haddow, then deputy director, blames the failures during Katrina to depend too much on state and local authority and the private sector.
@butuh13 I'm sure any mass movement who disagrees with your politics seems "fanatical" to you. You should watch/read some speeches by Martin Luther King, JFK or Ghandi before you start calling us "fanatics". His message and widespread popularity mirrors that of the most prolific speakers of world history. Ron Paul is not a "messiah", he's the figurehead of a massive counter-culture movement based in peace, equality and sound monetary policy. Many people who support him aren't even libertarians.
@buriedbyfate That you liken Paul to Ghandi and MLK pretty much proves my point. The obvious difference is that they were seeking equality for all, not personal political power. I don't doubt that alot of people share Paul's views, though I disagree with them. But it's the cult of personality and claims that "only Ron Paul" can save us, or that he is "a hero" that strike me a fanatical. If your "movement" is so virtuous it will succeed without being based on one charismatic individual.
@buriedbyfate Most Paul supporters I've met don't actually know his positions.There is nothing more efficient or cost effective in doing away with a single federal bureaucracy and replacing it with 50 different bureaucracies. I also can't imagine that it would work to create a situation in which one state allows abortion on demand while it's neighbor considers it murder. Like most people I think FEMA is a necessary federal agency that does good for thousands of people. I find Paul to be a kook.
@butuh13 If you think Ron Paul is "charismatic", you're out of your mind. The man is a squirly 76 year old. Libertarians, liberals and conservatives want him as president because... get this... we live in a representative democracy and they think he best represents their views! WOW! What a stretch of the imagination to believe in the political system! Ron Paul is a hero for telling the truth and being a realist in a time of deciet across the board. NOT because he's a leader.
@butuh13 Every Ron Paul supporter I've met knows almost every one of his views and the reasons behind them. I'm sorry you've associated with such stupid people. You think it's ok that we have a federal government that is totally rolling over the states in almost every department? You don't think it's out of control at all? You're so sophomoric and uninformed it's actually amusing. We already have 50 bureaucracies, and every one of them is federalized and corrupt beyond imagination. Get a grip.
@buriedbyfate You're pretty good at bitching about government, but offer nothing as an alternative. I do believe in representative democracy, but, unlike you, I realize that the federal agencies we have didn't fall out of the sky-they were created by duly elected representatives. I asked you a simple question which you failed to answer-What does Paul want to replace FEMA with? You say you know his policies, so tell me. Paul isn't a leader, but is a "figurehead" ? I guess I'd prefer a leader.
@butuh13 I just told you what Ron Paul would replace FEMA with, you silly, low life agitator. And I gave you reasons why. Debating with you is like debating the morality of the drug war with a police officer from the 80's who wears "just say no" shirts to middle schools and convices the 12 year olds that the drug war is a good idea. Unarmed people were being shot by the "local authorities" during katrina. Was that justified to keep the peace? You sound like a republican from the bush era.
@buriedbyfate Your hostility toward me and your inability to tell me how 50 bureaucracies are better than one only make it more clear that your support for Paul is a function of an unrealistic investment of faith in one individual, rather than anything that resulted from clear thought or an informed take on issues.
@buriedbyfate The federal agencies Paul wants to cut are the same agencies that give Americans a basic sense of security that meat and produce are safe to eat, medicine has been adequately tested, air traffic control isn't provided by the lowest bidder, water is clean, working conditions aren't hazardous, factories must make an effort not to destroy the planet. I want there to be ONE set of rules for all of that, not 50 different sets. I'm an AMERICAN first, not just a resident of my state.
@butuh13 Libertarianism is the strongest and most popular form of liberalism throughout history. I think it's funny how you devolve the conversation into sensationalism. It's not possible for him to cut any of those programs. But it is possible to get a real anti-war, anti drug prohibition, pro civil liberties candidate in office. But you'll just focus on things that he can't even do during his presidency.
@buriedbyfate And how the hell are the shootings on that bridge related to the failure of Big Government or whatever it is you Paul supporters fear? Which one of Ron's policies would have kept that from happening?? Paul DOES want to get rid of a whole lot of federal agencies that in my view are not the enemy. Libertarianism isn't "liberal" It just seems more like what many basic conservatives call themselves in the post Bush era. It's kinda like liberals calling themselves "progressive"
@butuh13 Fema has failed to supply relief to americans in almost every occasion. It is a secretive organization based on a militarization of relief efforts. It does the exact opposite of what it claims to do. You can thank Bush for that. I love how you admit that "fema does good for thousands of people" lol, yeah. Another huge government program that benefits .01% of society. Thousands of people. Yea? How many people did it "benefit" during Katrina?
@buriedbyfate FEMA's effectiveness was eroded by Bush. But the agency was established WAY before then, existing in some form for most of the nation's history. Your use of the word "militarization" is pure paranoia- the mission statement of the national guard includes disaster relief. If you have a problem with a guy in uniform handing out water and moving sandbags I'd say you were in a distinct minority. The failures during Katrina were many, but not the measure of the agency as a whole.
@buriedbyfate Perhaps you could tell me in detail what Ron Paul would replace FEMA with- 50 different little disaster relief agencies without the heft of the federal government behind them? Would they be MORE effective? Or should disaster relief be left to the private sector? Should helping people in need be a for profit industry? It's easy to bitch about government, but it often requires ignoring the services and safeguards your tax money provides you with every day.
HERE ARE REASONS WHY RON PAUL WILL NEVER BECOME US PRESIDENT;
1) AGE. (TOO OLD TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD)
2)DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS( SELLS HIS BOOK AND USES WORDS CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY), THAT WILL NOT PUT FOOD ON A TABLE FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE
3)DOESNT HAVE A REAL STRATEGY ON EXACTLY HOW HE IS GOING TO CREATE JOBS(OK, LETS SAY WE WILL BRING ALL TROOPS HOME, THEN WHAT?) THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND COLECT WELFARE?
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@angelablass have to keep posting this - if you live in a closed /semi closed primary state , you MUST register as a Republican in order to vote Ron Paul in the crucial primary election . I suspect RP has a lot of Dem supporters who may be disappointed when they go to the polls if they do not change party affiliations . The closed /SEMI CLOSED states are : AZ, CO, CT,DEL,FL,MA,MD,HI,PA,NY,NE,SD,UT,WV,KY,LA,OK,OR. Let's do our part - don;t let him lose the nomination.
@doogleandalix Yes, most of my family members are registered republicans including myself, so we'll make our votes count, but thank you for your concern and dedication to getting the word out. It's important work you are doing. Keep it up. Ron Paul must win this election. Iowa Straw, he came in 2nd and no one wanted to interview him, what a shame. Shame on mainstream media.
@angelablass Wonderful ! Yes, I post this message daily on many videos - you would be surprised how many people did not know it and asked for my help in directing them in how to change parties . So many of his fans are young voters and so many are Dems or unafilliated - that says something ,
I am disgusted withe the media - every article I read about thw straw poll win glossed over Ron Paul and one spent paragraphs on Rick Perry who was not even in the race at the time of the straw poll
@doogleandalix Yeah, keep up the good work. We "the people" should hold media accountable. Someone should come up with a site where people can rate the media. Any and all media....most liberal, honest, credible; etc. This might help keep it more truthful, fair and balanced. At least Ron Paul came in 2nd just 147 (i think) votes shy of 1st place. Not bad.
@angelablass Theres video CNN and Politico(are the beginning words ) if you search . Very good analysis .Stephanie Miller mocks ROn Paul calling him unelectable,etc. These remarks disgust me - so biased and unprofessional- what a journalist should do. I emailed CNN and put in my 2 cents about that &advised others to do the same.I hope we crashed their server expressing our outrage , Ratings talk , BS walks as they say . I'm happy with 2nd place as she bought her votes with R.Travis free concert.
@doogleandalix That's awesome. I hope their entire system crashes. I had a family member ask me, because I'm a woman, why I'm not voting for Bachman. My answer is Bachman's just a small piece of Ron Paul's message. Besides why would I want the apprentice when the master is right there. Paul's experience and record says a lot.
@angelablass I love your answer - awesome ! Yes, I am afraid that a lot of women will vote for her simply because of gender,without having a clue as to where she stands on issues . It's scary that people vote based on age, gender ,looks,nationailty. I'm a woman too and , while i would love to see a competant female President,Bachmann does not fit that bill at all .
@doogleandalix Thanks. It is sad, but true that not everyone votes for the right reasons, but I am starting to see a shift in the way people are approaching politics now. They want 2 b more informed now...pretty cool. I agree with a lot of what Bachman says, but she's only saying things that Ron Paul's been saying for years. I agree with u, I would love 2 c a madam president, but that gal sure isn't Bachman or Palin. Until we get a female version of Ron Paul, my vote still goes to him.
@angelablass Yes, she parrots a lot of what Ron Paul says , but her far right wing , ultra conservative , ultra religious views are a bit much for me . I'm not interested in Rick Perry or Bachmann, his female counterpart. I also have no use for Palin -the only thing I can appreciate about her was her fiscal conservatism with the Alaskan budget . I've listened to a lot of arguments from people trying to dissuade me from voting Ron Paul and there is no viable substitute.He's my political hero :)
Greetings from Sweden! As America is becoming more and more uncivilized every day by acting as the police of the world and leaving its role as the lighthouse of capitalism and freedom the world is losing its faith and respect to you!
I beg you to spread the word, because not only the US needs this man, the world economy depends on it!
Or have we still not understood the virtues of Peace, Economic Freedom and Capitalism? I can't believe we still argue about these things.
IF you dislike America and the way its becoming, Vote Ron Paul, if you like America and want to save it from becoming worse, Vote Ron Paul. I have never in my life had faith in our government, I have Faith In Ron fucking Paul! GO RON!
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In 2012 if we continue to act like we were not warned then we deserve what we get. As for me I am doing my part by voting for Ron Paul...The truth always hurts but if we don't wake up we will find ourselves on the street! Dr..Paul 2012!
Do you guys remember when Romney was asked about Ron Paul, I believe by a Paul supporter, and Romney said something like 'You all can leave Ron to practice medicine . . . but please leave me to fix the economy.' It was something like that... he was implying that he actually knew something about the economy, but that Ron knew nothing. I almost pissed my pants laughing! lol. Romney don't know SHIT about economics - none of those fuckers do! Ron Paul 2012!
nightstep you are right on, no one in Oz knows who Ron Paul is and they should, because Australia is fast going in the same direction of the US. Even in my state of SA our Premier Mike Rann has time and time again rammed unconstitutional laws through only to be rub-butted by the legislature! These politicians are tyrants who only look to acquire 'more power' with a corrupt partnership of state authorities under the disguise of safety and security!
nightstep you are right on, no one in Oz knows who Ron Paul is and they should, because Australia is fast going in the same direction of the US. Even in my state of SA our Premier Mike Rann has time and time again rammed unconstitutional laws through only to be rub-butted by the legislature! These politicians are tyrants who only look to acquire 'more power' with a corupt partnership of state authorities under the disguise of safety and security!
sorry meant 1:33!
dtwolfe93 3 weeks ago in playlist Ron Paul
gotta love 1:45!
dtwolfe93 3 weeks ago in playlist Ron Paul
Cut out all of the GOUGING and the PROFITS. Health Care should NEVER be "for profit".
We are a nation that tolerates EVIL.
Republicans need to go!
If McCain was President right now, we'd all be gone already. Republicans are the DARK SIDE. Luke Skywalker can't fight this evil force alone!
Wake up, folks!
Chelsea4President 1 month ago
Fiscal responsibility? Is this a JOKE?
Stop the God damn TAX BREAKS for the filthy rich, they haven't suffered AT ALL during this global depression!
Millionaires (and Billionaires) averaged an additional 27% PROFIT during 2010! 2011 will probably be another record breaking money maker for those already RICH!
At the same time, Republicans want to CUT taxes MORE? Ignore the environment?
Get off the backs of little people and start TAXING THE RICH the way they SHOULD BE TAXED!
Chelsea4President 1 month ago
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Premier112 1 month ago in playlist Ron Paul
ahh... the good old days....
sparks277 1 month ago
As much as I like what he says he's just like every other politician. They all promise you the world till they get in the office and nothing. Our presidents are nothing but muppets. They really have no true say on what's going on, they are controlled to say and do what they do. I'll keep it to your imagination on who controls them since that's a whole another topic.
CantGetUsername100 2 months ago
@CantGetUsername100 his 30 years of voting consistency says differently.
notyetaladie 1 month ago in playlist Ron Paul
U fucked ronpaulclips I wanted to see bernanke response
MIT2004 2 months ago
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Tea Party wants low taxes without any cuts to their benefits and services. Sacrifices are always welcome...as long as OTHERS do the sacrificing. The Tea Party relys 100% on "fuzzy math" a la Dubya.
Cut taxes, support big business and pray a lot. Sounds like a plan to me!
zerogullibility 2 months ago
Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and their "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
Chelsea4President 2 months ago
@Chelsea4President completely untrue. RP does vote and preach to cut down on Federal regulations and to some, that may seem like a bad idea. But what you're missing is that without the oversight of the federal govt your state will pick up the slack. The population can vote on having a state option for healthcare or drug control or education or whatever. But, if your elections prove you don't want something, you dont have to have it. Its all about more CONTROL and more INVOLVEMENT from the people
kyaacid 2 months ago 2
@Chelsea4President economics 101 take it.
notyetaladie 1 month ago in playlist Ron Paul
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Vote for Ron Paul! :)
I'm not a republican't or a democrap. I'm a member of the One Nation Peace Party.
We need to get a leash on those monster corporations before they gobble up America like a piece of candy. So if Ron Paul wins, the citizens can go to work ourselves on limiting those corporations -- and strengthening America's royalty, our small businesses.
eastariel 3 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
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delanogaston 3 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
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Ron Paul is the MOST DECEITFUL BASTARD RUNNING!!!
From the Party of DEREGULATION of business that has led to the demise of the Lower and then the Middle Classes, RON PAUL AND HIS ASSHOLE SUPPORTERS WANT MORE DEREGULATION.
Claiming he's a defender of freedom, his TRUE AIM IS A TOTAL OLIGARCHY.
NO SOCIAL PROGRAMS, NO RETURN OF BUSINESS TO THE US, NO TAXES IN BUSINESS. ANARCHISTIC CAPITALISM AT ITS WORST.
His supporters are worse than NAZI's.
yourtreat2 3 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
this guys a fool u can`t even get a credit card these daysand my 75 yr old mom was using credit cards to pay her bills on time with 25 percent intrest.how about how much the gov pays for a gallon of gas in afganastan 400$ i think we know whos blowing the high dollars.health insurance and taxes makes my wifes check look like a rebate. annd when i go to the dentisit i got to shell out cash so i don`t even botheri havent been out to dinner in ages literally
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studstad2 3 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
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Ron Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and, "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
multitalentino 3 months ago
@ignbtd Slavery was a good thing, right....as long as YOU didn't have to work for "minimum".
That's the problem with Republicans and personal sacrifices. Suffering and struggling was always an exceellent idea, as long as OTHERS did the suffering and the struggleing.
You are a bunch of revers-Christian, self-serving, comnpassion free assholes, and the general public is getting wise to it.
You can't win elections with nothing more than a few million neo-nazi seniors and dogmatic dim-wits.
zerogullibility 4 months ago
Ron Paul is just another "let them eat cake" warrior against the working class of America. He wants OTHERS to sacrifice, even if they die without health care. His motto: Fend for yourself!
The right wing party-line "NO TAX HIKES" is 100% at the cost of those struggling the most. Just as long as millionaires (like Ron Paul and his Nazi Son) are taken care of and their "tax dollars" safe in off-shore accounts, all is well in Republican La La Land. Keep the fools voting for that twisted "Utopia"!
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility Do you understand a free market?
TheVideo5094 3 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
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zerogullibility 4 months ago
Another candidate who approves of sacrifices....as long as it's OTHERS who do the sacrificing. One of the most anti-social "visionaries" on today's political scene. "Let them eat cake". That sums it up for Mr. Paul.
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility explain further
JJbones88 4 months ago
@JJbones88 First you denial spin. If you must ask, you already know.
multitalentino 4 months ago
@multitalentino i was honestly looking for more info, but to each their own.
JJbones88 4 months ago
@JJbones88 I don't think you're looking for anything other than more of a never-ending argument.
Ron Paul is VERY anti-social and completely without compassion for those suffering the most in America. If you need "further details" about this FACT, then you clearly are in it just to argue.
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility lol ok. Not sure about the compassion part, if he used to work @ churches giving people free healthcare
JJbones88 4 months ago
@zerogullibility Wow nice knee jerk reaction- you have done apparently superficial research into the candidate by failing to see he is the only one addressing the cause of problems, not just their symptoms. He is far more compassionate then any establishment goon.
EgadsNo 2 months ago
@wishmolly The Patriot act was idiotic. But that doesn't mean Paul is the only one who understands the Constitution. I wouldn't vote for any of the Republicans...
butuh13 4 months ago
@butuh13 He is the ONLY one vowing to get rid of it as President. All the others, including Obama, support it AND use it.
PierzStyx 4 months ago
@PierzStyx That's not strictly knowable. The patriot act is still in place, but to what extent it's used we can't be sure. We do know that under Obama we have ended torture of detainees and secret prisons. But you could count the number of voters for whom the patriot act is the big issue on your fingers. No one even gives a fuck about the fact we got Bin Laden or Obama's record on terrorism in general. All that security concern has been replaced by the deficit and calling Obama a "socialist"
butuh13 4 months ago
@butuh13 No. We know Obama has said he would stop doing those things, but no evidence has emerged to prove he has, and some that suggests he hasn't. stopped using it. Its just not getting big news during his administration. And I know a lot of people who are still worried about the PA. Ron Paul isn't getting traction form it because no one cares.
PierzStyx 4 months ago
@PierzStyx Obama signed an executive order ending secret prisons and Bush era interrogation tactics. If Obama was still waterboarding detainees don't you think Republicans would be talking about it? I agree that the Patriot Act should be done away with. But I'm not gonna vote for Ron Paul based on that issue alone. Sorry.
butuh13 4 months ago
@butuh13 Actually Obama signed an executive order that forbid any interrogation technique not in the ARmy Field Manual, and only applied to "armed combatants". This did not outlaw waterboarding, only limited where used. As 2 secret prisons,ONLY the CIA had 2 close their secret prisons. This does nothing for the prisons being run by the FBI, National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, and Defense Intelligence Agency, or facilities run by government paid PMC groups like Blackwater.
PierzStyx 4 months ago
@PierzStyx On top of that he still sends detainees to countries that still use regular torture for "interrogation." I literally just googled "Obama torture" and examples of continued torture by the Obama Administration popped up. I'd link if YouTube allowed me too. One of the examples is Bradley Manning, the one who got the state documents 4 WikiLeaks has been tortured and SD officials have quit over it and made the torture public. Torture still happens, do not be deceived.
PierzStyx 4 months ago
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butuh13 4 months ago
@PierzStyx That's odd, because the executive order applies to any one held by US forces and made interrogation conform to the Geneva Conventions definition of torture, which would mean no waterboarding. But again, if Obama was doing waterboarding the Republicans would never stop talikng about=-Does Ron Paul assert that we are still waterboarding and using secret prisons?
butuh13 4 months ago
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@PierzStyx And you're missing my essential point- I'd never vote for Ron Paul. Sorry.
butuh13 4 months ago
@wishmolly How do you get the idea that abortion is the only issue I disagree with Paul on? He would hand over too much power to corporations while eroding the gov's ability to address corporate abuse. He opposes the minimum wage (nothing like slave wages...) he would eliminate FEMA, and he thinks that 50 bureaucracies at the state level are somehow better than one at the federal level. Is that enough for you? Or is it just reproductive freedom you don't care about?
butuh13 4 months ago
@wishmolly Personal freedom, the right to privacy, and the equality of women are non-negotiable human rights issues. That you would trade them for more jobs is idiotic and puts you in the minority- most Americans would not support a presidential candidate who opposes reproductive freedom like Ron Paul. Paul couldn't do anything to create jobs anyway. He would only erode the government's ability to address corporate abuse.
butuh13 4 months ago
@wishmolly and THAT is why paul has aboslutely no chance of winning.... idiot.
EmeraldIsleStar 4 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
@wishmolly Paul would appoint an anti-abortion justice to the supreme court. How the fuck does the next president simply undo that? The conservative slant of the court is hardy a "petty" issue. Ron Paul is a kook who would hand America over to the whims of corporations.Like all conservatives,Paul would erode our only way to balance corporate abuse. I will never support a self proclaimed conservative Republican candidate who trusts big corporations more than the duly elected government.
butuh13 5 months ago
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MOXWELLDIAMOND 5 months ago
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@butuh13 I don't have a problem with certain states making it illegal. I really don't. If the federal government would butt out of the situation, we would have less politicians running campaigns on a federal pro-life platform. Truth is, Roe vs. Wade gave the go-ahead for feds to control the law, which allows the pro-lifers to federally control YOU as well. By the way, I hate talking about this issue. How to make a libertarian face-palm? Mention abortion.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 is the postal service nesessary?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 I'm not going to answer that question because I never proposed any of those things. Once again, assuming things I've never said. I'm for states rights. Not a dissolved federal government. Do you think I could vote for a candidate because he best represents my views, or should I find someone who I agree with in every single department? Oh wait, then I wouldn't vote at all...
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate The USPS doesn't stop UPS and FedEx and DHL...etc from doing business. You have exactly no point here. It's just shallow blather from a child. Holy fuck you're stupid...and you are clearly a pawn of the cult of libertarian mania that surrounds Ron Paul. It's obviously impenatrable.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Actually the usps does stop those companies from delivering first class mail. The USPS is a monopoly on first class mail. That's my point, and I don't agree with that type of business practice in the modern day world.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 So you don't have a problem with it, but you don't believe its necessary? Is it nessesary? Still haven't answered my question.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I don't need to justify whether or not the USPS is "necessary" because it's in the fucking constitution, you moron. It's not subject to a debate about being necessary, because it's fucking constitutional! But yes, it's necessary for a shitload of businesses that use it to advertise and sell their products, if nothing else. Do you propose a constitutional amendment to eliminate it? Is the elimination of the fucking postal system your argument for why Ron Paul should be president?
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 And I'm not a "pawn" of any "cult", sir. You're a very angry and hateful individual. I'd hate to be debating you in real life, you probably would have physically attacked me already for disagreeing with your political beliefs. Very disturbing.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Let's review: you were first to resort to personal attacks, yet feel threatened by me. You said I was too focused on FEMA, but now only focus on the USPS. You claim that I'm wrong about how many states would make abortion illegal without Roe v. Wade, then when challenged on the subject you leave that argument. The mania surrounding Paul is characterized by people with an illogically idealized notion of states rights that's based on making the fed out to be a monster. Yawn...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Nah, you said "abortion would be illegal in half the states" which isn't true. Then, I stated my opinion on the feds controlling abortion in general. I never ran from the argument. I also never said you were too focused on FEMA... I said you were too focused on making excuses for the failure of FEMA, blaming it on "republicans". When it wasn't really the "republicans", it was George Bush. And I apologize for calling you a twit. At least I didn't troll your videos like child. *yawwnn*
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Well if you want to be literal, I didn't say abortion would be illegal in half the states, I just asked you if it would be ok with you if it was. But it would be illegal in more than not, and depending on those other nine as many as 30 of 50. So, a 15 year old in Memphis, pregnant after being raped could go to-Tennessee? No. Kentucky? Arkansas ? North Carolina? No. It would be a nine hour drive to Chicago to abort her rapists baby. And I guess that's fine with you libertarians...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 That would be a terrible situation. But it's simply not my fight, and you haven't convinced me not to vote for Ron Paul. If there is a pro-choice candidate who has been voting for 20+ years against the wars, against drug prohibition, against gun control, against government spying, who odilizes MLK, Rosa Parks and Ghandi, who believes in a non-aggression principle, who believes in non violent civil disobedience as a solution, please let me know, and I will PROMOTE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
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@buriedbyfate You wrote- "it's simply not my fight" I gotta tell you, the defense of reproductive freedom and the right to privacy is everyone's fight. The court is so conservative already, all it would take to make that situation a reality is another conservative replacing Ginsberg. Think about that when you vote for the Republican. Whether you think it's your fight or not, it will be on your hands.
butuh13 5 months ago
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buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 I didn't ask you if it was in the constitution. I asked if you thought it was nessesary. Also, like I said, competition between states promotes higher quality services. It's not an assumption, is the nature of competition in general. Do you understand that or are you going to keep asking me loaded questions, while refusing to answer mine?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I did answer your childish question, you're just too dumb to know it. But I'll try in a way even you might get- I have NO problem with the USPS. I don't think it's an example of oppressive government, it's a federal agency that even Ron Fucking Paul can't eliminate because it's in the constitution. GET IT? They should raise their rates...but they do not get tax payer money.
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Now YOU tell me- why is it better to think of yourself as, say, a Californian above thinking of yourself as an American? Why would it be better if abortion were illegal in half the states? Or if each state had different environmental standards, immigration law and workplace safety guidelines and air traffic control authority? Should airbags only be required in some states? Competition? Your ideal of competition is a recipe for an utterly unworkable lack of commercial cohesion.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Abortion would not be illegal in half the states. It might be illegal in some, but it would only result in people coming to your state to get abortions. Which would make more people want to live in a state where abortions are legal. And you're still an American even if you're from California.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate If Roe were overturned, abortion would become totally illegal in 21 states, remain legal in 20 and in the other 9 it's uncertain. If you think it's acceptable to create a situation in America wherein low income women would have to travel from their home state where they would be considered murderers to get medical treatment that's perfectly legal in another state your simply an idiot.
Did you miss the part where I said this had gotten really boring?
butuh13 5 months ago
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buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 states rights are important because it allows for choice of the individual to live in an easily accessable government of their choice. It's a system that promotes competition between states and results in a higher quality of government services. It also promotes local and community politics.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
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butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 We were having a conversation about RON PAUL, yet you consistantly have devolved the conversation into an argument about the total loss of all federal agencies, all of which I supposedly "hate". I've brought up multiple problems with multiple agencies and have given multiple alternatives, but I have never proposed the dissolving of the federal govt. By the way, you suck at the drums, man. Please don't talk about my band when you can't even keep a solid tempo.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate WHY ARE 50 AGENCIES BETTER THAN ONE???? That is the first fucking question I asked you, kid, and you've NEVER answered it. I'm talking about federal agencies because Ron Paul wants to eliminate them, whether you know that or not. He thinks Roe vs Wade should be overturned, whether you know that or not.
And in one of my videos I'm playing in an odd time signature- 11/8, whether you know it or not....
Holy fucking shit has this gotten boring....like death metal did....20 years ago.
butuh13 5 months ago
guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/police-convicted-katrina-bridge-shootings
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 disaster relief has been left in the hands of communities, businesses and individuals for a long time. Some of the oldest federal relief efforts look more like free trade agreements than supply efforts. The Fema we have now is a part of homeland security. Its policies include confiscation of firearms, curfews and blockades. Replace Fema with freedom to travel and trade with disaster zones.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I must say that, if only in the case of Katrina, blockades, curfews and the control of firearms would have been a help. All that seems pretty basic in a situation where local authority is insufficient to maintain the peace and facilitate the implementation of relief efforts. I just don't see that as a threat. I think you're paranoid...I know some right wingers believe FEMA is coming to take them off to concentration camps...some people think Obama was born in Kenya too...
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Do you think responding to Katrina should have been the sole responsibility of the state of Louisiana? Really? Because I have a lot of friends in New Orleans and every one of them wanted MORE from the federal government, not less.... Small government is a swell idea...until a major city gets destroyed by a natural disaster....or terrorists...then all of a sudden people start wishing government were bigger...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 I think katrina should have been the responsibility of individuals, relief groups, small and large businesses alike, the state of louisiana and any other state or organization who could have helped. Including the federal government and large corporations. But that DOESN'T mean setting up blockades, taking guns or instituting martial law. You're also skewing my words alot. I never said that it should be viewed as a free trade opportunity, you dumbass. I was just stating historical facts.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I have never found it necessary to call you a "dumbass" or a "lowlife" Perhaps that's a function of being a Paul supporter. YOU wrote- "Replace Fema with freedom to travel and trade with disaster zones."
I'm trying to figure out what the hell that means...YOU referred to "trade"
Shootings in New Orleans had exactly nothing to do with the federal government or FEMA or anything Ron Paul might hope to change...I don't see what your point is there either.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Yes, replace the restrictive and authoritarian policies of fema with FREEDOM OF THE INDIVIDUAL. Is that hard to understand? You frickin low life.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
"@buriedbyfate The freedom of the individual!!!!" Great fucking slogan, great bromide, great thing to put on a sign to take to the tea party rally....but tell me what that means in a practical sense in the case of a natural disaster??? Let people be "free" to loot? Provide food and water through "free trade"? Enough with the shallow slogans! Should Bush have stood in Jackson Square and said "The government is not going to help here, we're leaving it all up to individual freedom." Huh???
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 You want to get rid of FEMA and when asked what it should be replaced by you say "individual freedom" To you realize how naive that sounds? Try living in reality....
New Orlean's problem wasn't too much involvement by "restrictive, authoritarian" government, it was TOO LITTLE. Not one person suffering from the devastation was saying "If only the government would go away and stay out of this..." A LOT are still saying they did too little...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 You have an inability to debate without resorting to sensationalism. Fema would be loved if they actually facilitated in helping people! But they DIDN'T, and they ADMITTED IT! They kept food, water, and help from coming into the disaster zone! BECAUSE OF BUSHES AUTHORITARIAN LEGISLATION. But you still want to force me to pay for that?? And I'm supposed to support it???? People shouldn't be free to loot, but they should be free to protect themselves against looters with FIREARMS.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Unfortunately bad things happen, but when you get federal government involved it always goes south!!!! I've been trying to explain this to you, but apparently you don't even see my argument, you only see my "slogans" when they aren't slogans, i'm giving you answers.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate No, you're only proving that you have no answer. But I actually appreciate the sort of idealistically naive idea that if we just leave everything up to some romantic concept of individual liberty and "free trade" that we won't really need government because free people will provide for each other in times of need and will be self policing and we won't have to tax people to enforce any sort of regulatory oversight or provide any sort of social safety net... but it's unrealistic.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 You also have an inablity to reason without coming to a conclusion which uses the force of the federal government. I'm telling you that large businesses donate more to relief efforts than federal government has ever done. Unfortunately, the federal government wants to be the sole hero during an event. Even though they come 3 days late, and stop anyone else from helping. Are you going to give me a solution to that? Or just pray that Obama will fix Fema?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate And you are unable to debate without resorting to childish name calling. SO...under the Paul administration, a disaster occurs and it's not the representative government that we should look to for any aid, it's the charitable instincts of "business" that will take care of it? It always comes back to having more trust in corporations than the duly elected government with you guys. I swear, conservatives worship "business" way more than liberals worship government. It's nuts.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 I worship the fruits of ones labor, including business, government and individual actions and consequences. In my opinion, the problems with katrina occurred because after 9/11, FEMA prioritized almost all of its efforts on facilitating authority powers after terrorist attacks, rather than relief efforts that facilitate actual help. See, you fail to realize this because you're stuck on making excuses for FEMA. There is no excuse for what they did. Also, I'm a liberal, not conservative.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I also have to say that there's no way Ron Paul would be dumb enough to assert that FEMA, which was created by our duly elected representatives, only exists because the government wants to be the hero.
Unfortunately I can't say the same of you.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Ron Paul would assert that FEMA exists to facilitate relief efforts for disaster areas within the U.S, but will also assert that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What we've see over and over again in government is that new laws and agencies will always overcompensate and surpass their intentions. This is the problem with central planning and centralized government. The existence of unchecked power will always be abused. The founding fathers fought a war against it.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Your government is not the monster you imagine it is. At least we can compel what it can or can't do by voting. You said yourself that you support the concept of representative democracy. Why are you so hateful of the services and oversight established by those we elect to represent us? Again, it didn't fall out of the sky. I don't feel like the USPS, the FAA, the National Park Service, the FDA, the EPA, the USDA, wield abusive, unchecked power. But corporations...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 USPS is losing billions of dollars a month. It has the sole monopoly on first class mail. It has become a hotbed for spam and scammers. Large meat businesses have linfiltrated the FDA to shut down their small farm competition across the board. The EPA supports the taxation of carbon, a knee jerk policy fueled by armageddon-like paranoia and propaganda. The FAA has its share of problems. Talk to some pilots. The USDA sucks. Ask the farmers.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 "At least we can compel what it can or can't do by voting" No, we live in a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. Sorry. And I'm not hateful. I just don't want to be forced into a federal system which blackballs the states on almost every issue. It's totally unamerican, unconstitutional and immoral. Where do we draw the line on federal government? Should we just become "The Federal State of America"?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate OH, you're a liberal....a liberal who supports an anti-abortion Texas Republican who wants to erode the fed's ability to balance corporate abuse, and who promotes himself as having the most conservative voting record in Congress for president. That makes about as much sense as everything else you've said....
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 What's conservative for Ron Paul isn't nesessarily conservative in the modern day world. Ron Paul bases his "conservative" voting record on fiscal conservatism, and the concept that states rights still matter, an idea that was thrown out many decades ago. His personal opinion on abortion may be socially conservative, but his stance on keeping the feds out of the issue is liberal. Do you know what a classical liberal is?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Ron Paul's "personal opinion on abortion" paired with his opinion on states rights as it pertains to that issue, would result in millions of woman being subject to potential murder charges were they to abort their rapist's baby. In my view you can't support that and legitimately call yourself a liberal. Sorry.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Do you honestly think that would happen? Look at death penalty laws in America. Only a few states still impose it. You're such a sensationalist, man. Calm down and take a look at reality.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Reproductive choice is perhaps the central social issue of our time. I find it offensive that you consider my principled stand on that issue "sensationalist" You call yourself liberal but want to hand the presidency to a man who is anti-choice. I find THAT sensationally illogical. You don't think the gov is inadequately representative, but have faith that Paul will represent you. You contradict yourself at every turn.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 No. I find your "predictions" sensationalist, you twit. You're like one of these people who believe if we end the wars in the middle east that they'll come here and commit more attacks. Or that if we end the drug war, every child in america would be addicted to heroin. I'm pro choice, sir. I'm just not compelled that the federal government should have a say. Do you understand the difference?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I think we should end our involvement in the middle east and legalize pot. Those are two things I agree with Paul on. Surprised? I AM a liberal who, unlike you, finds abortion to be an important issue in assessing a potential president. I oppose capital punishment. I think the wealthy should pay a higher % of income tax. I don't think federal oversight is "immoral" like you do. I think building a border fence is stupid and impractical. What makes YOU and Ron Paul liberal?
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Federal agencies aren't perfect but you offer no alternative. Your cry of "states rights" is an impractical libertarian slogan. Should each state have it's own agency and it's own rules for air traffic control, food safety, the testing of medicines, environmental protection...? The federal agencies you hate provide the public minimum confidence to buy food, drugs, air travel...the market for those things couldn't function without the confidence that comes from FEDERAL oversight.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Once again, you're being a sensationalist and not arguing in reality. Once again, a single libertarian president could never dissolve any of those federal programs. Once again, you're arguing against pure anti-federal libertarianism, which i'm not. You're assuming things about me and calling me hateful, when you're obviously the hateful one. You're hateful towards anyone who doesn't want to be forced into a giant federalist state. Which is immoral and you, sir, are a statist.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I do not consider the existence of federal regulatory agencies "immoral" Just because I don't share your hate or fear or whatever of our government doesn't make me a statist.You assume at least as much about me as I do about you.I know a lot of people support Ron Paul and I'm trying to figure out what he & they believe. You claim to know what Paul would do, but so far only tell me what he COULDN'T DO, like overturn Roe v Wade or eliminate agencies. It's frustrating and very weird.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 I am pro choice and an Atheist. I support Ron Paul. Obviously I do not agree with Ron on everything. I am also anti war, Ron is the only choice for me. Most important to me is my individual freedoms and rights. Being a liberal I want to live the way I want and think the way I want. What other candidate is there? Ron Paul is the only one that I trust.
energyparticle 5 months ago
@energyparticle So, as a pro choice atheist, you only trust an anti abortion Christian for president? Who is currently stopping you from being free "think the way you want"???
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 The freedom part mostly comes from the patriot act, guantanamo bay (secret prisons), torture, mandates, regulations. I don't agree with how my gov treats others not only Americans. Also monetary policy although I have a different view than Paul I do agree the system is flawed. I understand Pauls view on abortion but I will always defend a woman's right to choose. continued....
energyparticle 5 months ago
@butuh13 What power does the executive branch have? The commander and chief has almost exclusive power over our military. Ron Paul knows this well and I have no doubt he would act immediately to start bringing troops home from all over the world. On this alone he gets my vote. Many of the other topics the president, congress and senate have to work together.
energyparticle 5 months ago
@butuh13 Thinking the way I want? The libertarian understand that power lies with the individual, not in a group or a corporation. I know we are not a democracy but I feel we should try and move closer to it not farther away. If an individual does not or has not possessed a power or a right than you cannot delegate it to groups, corporation or body of Government. The individual is the source of sovereign power. Ron Paul reminds us of these fundamentals that our country was founded on.
energyparticle 5 months ago
@energyparticle No one is controlling your thought. You are not the victim you pretend to be.Paul promotes himself as a CONSERVATIVE. He is a Republican. Period.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Never said someone was controlling my thoughts. If he is a Republican, there is only one republican running..... : )
energyparticle 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Perhaps the most instructive thing I've learned from you about Paul's supporters is that they can't clearly articulate what they want to replace the big bad government with,if someone asks them they call them names and leave insulting comments on their YouTube channel, they pretend to be "liberal", and they think anyone who feels government has a legitimate function is a "statist" and they are basically pretty paranoid... Am I leaving anything out?
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Oh, and you're in a really really cliche' sounding metal band fronted by a guy who sounds like a Sasquatch impersonator....
But you're a kid. I have hope you and your views might mature....
Adios, junior.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Yeah, that was really mature. Make an insulting personal attack and end the conversation. Jerkoff. You can't even admit that the postal service could be filled by the free market. THAT'S what makes you a statist.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I'm just tired of your inability to answer a question or even really explain what you believe....you keep contradicting yourself and your fallback has always been to insult me...I guess you can dish it out but can't take it, huh? But I do think your band is silly....sorry...
This is going nowhere and I have better things to do....I think YOU said that at one point...perhaps that's the only thing we can agree on...although maybe you think that guy sounds like sasquatch too....
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Do you still think the postal service is a nesessary federal program?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate The postal service was established in the constitution. Perhaps you didn't know that...
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 The only federal programs I "hate" are the drug war and our foreign policy. I don't nesessarily hate the FDA, or the FAA, or the USPS. I do believe, however, that in the abscense of the FDA, multiple cosumer product review boards would fill the market gap, and in this age of technology it might not be a bad idea. And the USPS should be dissolved and the ban on first class mail should be lifted. Are you such a statist that you can't at least imagine a free market in first class mail?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Are you seriously asserting that a natural disaster should be viewed as a free trade opportunity? Really????
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate I hate to think of what a cluster fuck it would be to have to navigate the disorganization of myriad "individuals, businesses, relief groups, the state..." for some help, when your city has been destroyed and become lawless. The response to a massive disaster is better served by a central coordinating agency. FEMA's failure during the Bush administration was due to the fact that an unqualified political crony was running it. That was Republican's fault, not FEMAs.
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate During the Clinton admin FEMA was run by James Lee Witt and was considered an excellent and effective agency, responding to massive Midwest floods in 1993, the Northridge earthquake in 1994 and the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.George Haddow, then deputy director, blames the failures during Katrina to depend too much on state and local authority and the private sector.
butuh13 5 months ago
What is up with the manipulative creepy background music on this video?
butuh13 5 months ago
Ron Paul- the libertarian messiah. You Paul heads are more fanatical than anyone who ever voted for Obama, you know that, don't you?
butuh13 5 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
@butuh13 I'm sure any mass movement who disagrees with your politics seems "fanatical" to you. You should watch/read some speeches by Martin Luther King, JFK or Ghandi before you start calling us "fanatics". His message and widespread popularity mirrors that of the most prolific speakers of world history. Ron Paul is not a "messiah", he's the figurehead of a massive counter-culture movement based in peace, equality and sound monetary policy. Many people who support him aren't even libertarians.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate That you liken Paul to Ghandi and MLK pretty much proves my point. The obvious difference is that they were seeking equality for all, not personal political power. I don't doubt that alot of people share Paul's views, though I disagree with them. But it's the cult of personality and claims that "only Ron Paul" can save us, or that he is "a hero" that strike me a fanatical. If your "movement" is so virtuous it will succeed without being based on one charismatic individual.
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Most Paul supporters I've met don't actually know his positions.There is nothing more efficient or cost effective in doing away with a single federal bureaucracy and replacing it with 50 different bureaucracies. I also can't imagine that it would work to create a situation in which one state allows abortion on demand while it's neighbor considers it murder. Like most people I think FEMA is a necessary federal agency that does good for thousands of people. I find Paul to be a kook.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 If you think Ron Paul is "charismatic", you're out of your mind. The man is a squirly 76 year old. Libertarians, liberals and conservatives want him as president because... get this... we live in a representative democracy and they think he best represents their views! WOW! What a stretch of the imagination to believe in the political system! Ron Paul is a hero for telling the truth and being a realist in a time of deciet across the board. NOT because he's a leader.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@butuh13 Every Ron Paul supporter I've met knows almost every one of his views and the reasons behind them. I'm sorry you've associated with such stupid people. You think it's ok that we have a federal government that is totally rolling over the states in almost every department? You don't think it's out of control at all? You're so sophomoric and uninformed it's actually amusing. We already have 50 bureaucracies, and every one of them is federalized and corrupt beyond imagination. Get a grip.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate You're pretty good at bitching about government, but offer nothing as an alternative. I do believe in representative democracy, but, unlike you, I realize that the federal agencies we have didn't fall out of the sky-they were created by duly elected representatives. I asked you a simple question which you failed to answer-What does Paul want to replace FEMA with? You say you know his policies, so tell me. Paul isn't a leader, but is a "figurehead" ? I guess I'd prefer a leader.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 I just told you what Ron Paul would replace FEMA with, you silly, low life agitator. And I gave you reasons why. Debating with you is like debating the morality of the drug war with a police officer from the 80's who wears "just say no" shirts to middle schools and convices the 12 year olds that the drug war is a good idea. Unarmed people were being shot by the "local authorities" during katrina. Was that justified to keep the peace? You sound like a republican from the bush era.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Your hostility toward me and your inability to tell me how 50 bureaucracies are better than one only make it more clear that your support for Paul is a function of an unrealistic investment of faith in one individual, rather than anything that resulted from clear thought or an informed take on issues.
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate The federal agencies Paul wants to cut are the same agencies that give Americans a basic sense of security that meat and produce are safe to eat, medicine has been adequately tested, air traffic control isn't provided by the lowest bidder, water is clean, working conditions aren't hazardous, factories must make an effort not to destroy the planet. I want there to be ONE set of rules for all of that, not 50 different sets. I'm an AMERICAN first, not just a resident of my state.
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Libertarianism is the strongest and most popular form of liberalism throughout history. I think it's funny how you devolve the conversation into sensationalism. It's not possible for him to cut any of those programs. But it is possible to get a real anti-war, anti drug prohibition, pro civil liberties candidate in office. But you'll just focus on things that he can't even do during his presidency.
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate And how the hell are the shootings on that bridge related to the failure of Big Government or whatever it is you Paul supporters fear? Which one of Ron's policies would have kept that from happening?? Paul DOES want to get rid of a whole lot of federal agencies that in my view are not the enemy. Libertarianism isn't "liberal" It just seems more like what many basic conservatives call themselves in the post Bush era. It's kinda like liberals calling themselves "progressive"
butuh13 5 months ago
@butuh13 Fema has failed to supply relief to americans in almost every occasion. It is a secretive organization based on a militarization of relief efforts. It does the exact opposite of what it claims to do. You can thank Bush for that. I love how you admit that "fema does good for thousands of people" lol, yeah. Another huge government program that benefits .01% of society. Thousands of people. Yea? How many people did it "benefit" during Katrina?
buriedbyfate 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate FEMA's effectiveness was eroded by Bush. But the agency was established WAY before then, existing in some form for most of the nation's history. Your use of the word "militarization" is pure paranoia- the mission statement of the national guard includes disaster relief. If you have a problem with a guy in uniform handing out water and moving sandbags I'd say you were in a distinct minority. The failures during Katrina were many, but not the measure of the agency as a whole.
butuh13 5 months ago
@buriedbyfate Perhaps you could tell me in detail what Ron Paul would replace FEMA with- 50 different little disaster relief agencies without the heft of the federal government behind them? Would they be MORE effective? Or should disaster relief be left to the private sector? Should helping people in need be a for profit industry? It's easy to bitch about government, but it often requires ignoring the services and safeguards your tax money provides you with every day.
butuh13 5 months ago
Couldn't hear the goddamn video because of the FUCKING MUSIC!
88gavinm 5 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
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@paulstroie YES!
88gavinm 5 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
This video is 4 years old and he's talking about things that we are just now seeing take place.
pansophia93 5 months ago
every day he becomes more of a prophet
abaddatom 5 months ago
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Ron Paul has MY VOTE in the 2012 republican primaries and the general election. Thumbs up if he has YOUR VOTE too!!
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This music makes me want to shoot myself in the face.... other than that good video.
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@LJanacas LOL shit
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HERE ARE REASONS WHY RON PAUL WILL NEVER BECOME US PRESIDENT;
1) AGE. (TOO OLD TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD)
2)DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS( SELLS HIS BOOK AND USES WORDS CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY), THAT WILL NOT PUT FOOD ON A TABLE FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE
3)DOESNT HAVE A REAL STRATEGY ON EXACTLY HOW HE IS GOING TO CREATE JOBS(OK, LETS SAY WE WILL BRING ALL TROOPS HOME, THEN WHAT?) THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND COLECT WELFARE?
4) UNDERESTIMATES CHINESE POPULATION
democratsaresmart 7 months ago
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angelablass 7 months ago
@angelablass have to keep posting this - if you live in a closed /semi closed primary state , you MUST register as a Republican in order to vote Ron Paul in the crucial primary election . I suspect RP has a lot of Dem supporters who may be disappointed when they go to the polls if they do not change party affiliations . The closed /SEMI CLOSED states are : AZ, CO, CT,DEL,FL,MA,MD,HI,PA,NY,NE,SD,UT,WV,KY,LA,OK,OR. Let's do our part - don;t let him lose the nomination.
doogleandalix 5 months ago
@doogleandalix Yes, most of my family members are registered republicans including myself, so we'll make our votes count, but thank you for your concern and dedication to getting the word out. It's important work you are doing. Keep it up. Ron Paul must win this election. Iowa Straw, he came in 2nd and no one wanted to interview him, what a shame. Shame on mainstream media.
angelablass 5 months ago
@angelablass Wonderful ! Yes, I post this message daily on many videos - you would be surprised how many people did not know it and asked for my help in directing them in how to change parties . So many of his fans are young voters and so many are Dems or unafilliated - that says something ,
I am disgusted withe the media - every article I read about thw straw poll win glossed over Ron Paul and one spent paragraphs on Rick Perry who was not even in the race at the time of the straw poll
doogleandalix 5 months ago
@doogleandalix Yeah, keep up the good work. We "the people" should hold media accountable. Someone should come up with a site where people can rate the media. Any and all media....most liberal, honest, credible; etc. This might help keep it more truthful, fair and balanced. At least Ron Paul came in 2nd just 147 (i think) votes shy of 1st place. Not bad.
angelablass 5 months ago
@angelablass Theres video CNN and Politico(are the beginning words ) if you search . Very good analysis .Stephanie Miller mocks ROn Paul calling him unelectable,etc. These remarks disgust me - so biased and unprofessional- what a journalist should do. I emailed CNN and put in my 2 cents about that &advised others to do the same.I hope we crashed their server expressing our outrage , Ratings talk , BS walks as they say . I'm happy with 2nd place as she bought her votes with R.Travis free concert.
doogleandalix 5 months ago
@doogleandalix That's awesome. I hope their entire system crashes. I had a family member ask me, because I'm a woman, why I'm not voting for Bachman. My answer is Bachman's just a small piece of Ron Paul's message. Besides why would I want the apprentice when the master is right there. Paul's experience and record says a lot.
angelablass 5 months ago
@angelablass I love your answer - awesome ! Yes, I am afraid that a lot of women will vote for her simply because of gender,without having a clue as to where she stands on issues . It's scary that people vote based on age, gender ,looks,nationailty. I'm a woman too and , while i would love to see a competant female President,Bachmann does not fit that bill at all .
doogleandalix 5 months ago
@doogleandalix Thanks. It is sad, but true that not everyone votes for the right reasons, but I am starting to see a shift in the way people are approaching politics now. They want 2 b more informed now...pretty cool. I agree with a lot of what Bachman says, but she's only saying things that Ron Paul's been saying for years. I agree with u, I would love 2 c a madam president, but that gal sure isn't Bachman or Palin. Until we get a female version of Ron Paul, my vote still goes to him.
angelablass 5 months ago
@angelablass Yes, she parrots a lot of what Ron Paul says , but her far right wing , ultra conservative , ultra religious views are a bit much for me . I'm not interested in Rick Perry or Bachmann, his female counterpart. I also have no use for Palin -the only thing I can appreciate about her was her fiscal conservatism with the Alaskan budget . I've listened to a lot of arguments from people trying to dissuade me from voting Ron Paul and there is no viable substitute.He's my political hero :)
doogleandalix 5 months ago
My kids are citizens too. Stop spending their money! Ron Paul 2012!!!
hisel13 7 months ago 3
Greetings from Sweden! As America is becoming more and more uncivilized every day by acting as the police of the world and leaving its role as the lighthouse of capitalism and freedom the world is losing its faith and respect to you!
I beg you to spread the word, because not only the US needs this man, the world economy depends on it!
Or have we still not understood the virtues of Peace, Economic Freedom and Capitalism? I can't believe we still argue about these things.
Zailang 8 months ago in playlist Ron Paul
IF you dislike America and the way its becoming, Vote Ron Paul, if you like America and want to save it from becoming worse, Vote Ron Paul. I have never in my life had faith in our government, I have Faith In Ron fucking Paul! GO RON!
TheRotmaul 8 months ago 3
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nikolayzou 8 months ago
I am not my brothers keeper, but merely a witness of his deeds
tcfent 8 months ago
DC is sure of one thing, and one thing only; Labido Dominandi! The people were sold down the river! Ron Paul 2012!
katnap72 9 months ago 3
In 2012 if we continue to act like we were not warned then we deserve what we get. As for me I am doing my part by voting for Ron Paul...The truth always hurts but if we don't wake up we will find ourselves on the street! Dr..Paul 2012!
TheNova1960 9 months ago 5
three piano notes and two bass notes....over.....and over....and over....and over
ihaveaverybadcold 1 year ago
Do you guys remember when Romney was asked about Ron Paul, I believe by a Paul supporter, and Romney said something like 'You all can leave Ron to practice medicine . . . but please leave me to fix the economy.' It was something like that... he was implying that he actually knew something about the economy, but that Ron knew nothing. I almost pissed my pants laughing! lol. Romney don't know SHIT about economics - none of those fuckers do! Ron Paul 2012!
mit26chell 1 year ago 2
nightstep you are right on, no one in Oz knows who Ron Paul is and they should, because Australia is fast going in the same direction of the US. Even in my state of SA our Premier Mike Rann has time and time again rammed unconstitutional laws through only to be rub-butted by the legislature! These politicians are tyrants who only look to acquire 'more power' with a corrupt partnership of state authorities under the disguise of safety and security!
silvrsentinel 1 year ago
nightstep you are right on, no one in Oz knows who Ron Paul is and they should, because Australia is fast going in the same direction of the US. Even in my state of SA our Premier Mike Rann has time and time again rammed unconstitutional laws through only to be rub-butted by the legislature! These politicians are tyrants who only look to acquire 'more power' with a corupt partnership of state authorities under the disguise of safety and security!
silvrsentinel 1 year ago
great video but take the annoying music off.
oldskoolmacboy 1 year ago 3
@oldskoolmacboy i hope you get a thousand thunbs up lol
ihaveaverybadcold 1 ye