Miles Davis Electric - A Different Kind Of Blue Part 1-7 (English Subtitles)

[Phished123]

Hey guys, playing a rock/pop festival in the 70s that featured acts like The Who, The Doors, Jethro Tull, Jimi Henrix, and Joan Baez. Sounds like selling out to me ;)

these fucking jazz critics man, they are as bad as the old folk fogies who threw trash at Dylan when he played electic.

[TheDilligan]

largest pop festival in history??? at woodstock their were 500,000 people in the frield and 1,500,000 people surounding it....

[wrf1973]

Tommy Chong on electric piano at 6:04!

[r3ck0rd]

I'm always curious... what is that on the Rhodes piano?

[r3ck0rd]

Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock! 

[siva171]

Stanley Crouch should change his last name to Grouch.

[darinbar]

Which one is Ckorea? The brother or the other?

[gtralisfr69]

If Miles Davis was "selling out" and trying to make money, he probably wouldn't haven written an album with 20-30 minute jazz, funk, rock, noise freak outs....Just saying...

[trumpetids]

these guys clearly made some beautiful music, too bad that way of musicianship has faded mainly into bandrooms with very little to none mainstream presence

[vandoren59]

Why's Stanley Crouch being interviewed about a ROCK album? God.. Haha.

[PerryCoxPF93]

crouch=cee-lo green.....ugly m-fer

[1Geronimodeleon]

I'm not likely to be listening to much Stanley Crouch anytime soon, beyond the comments he posts on places like Miles Davis' video's.

[blain147]

Ignorance is bliss to the "NOT KNOWING"... Miles never ever sold out, the world changed around him that's all. Miles was extremely adventurous, always in search of fullness, and substance in the music he played. Massive mind Miles had, he was also one of the most brave and brutal musicians in the history of music, and for that I respect him more than I do a lot of others.

[Neidhardt84]

Isn't Stanley Crouch the same guy who praises Wynston Marsalis, the most boring jazz musician ever?

[eoinwalsh91]

What the fuck is that at 3:50 ????

[diupa]

@eoinwalsh91 That is him loving the band.

[holygroove2]

He is called "Grouch" for a reason. Truth be told, I didn't get Bitches Brew until I made the connection between Hendrix, and the US during the 60's and 70's. Most importantly, I changed. I can hear it now. When I was "trying to hear it" I couldn't. So now I just take in what I can, and revisit what I don't understand. Either you hear it or you don't.

[AmaneSuganami]

Ron Carter is so tall

[MultiGargiulo]

one miles’ fart > one hour Winton’s solo

[LowEnder81]

Crouch talks about how he TRIED to like it so much, listening to it in all different states of consciousness. I wonder if he ever considered the possibility that he just didn't GET IT... Tough pill to swallow for a critic, but hey, not everyone understands every composition/improvisation by an artist.

[insyncmusic]

Miles Davis was searching as are all creative musicians for his musical truth(s). God bless him for not being narrow minded and adhering to some rigid precept that you had to incorporate specific instrumentation to qualify as a legit jazz ensemble. He painted his melodies with a full spectrum palette. To attempt to relate to Jazz as a genre without an open mind is an oxymoron. That doesn't necessitate abandoning all musical integrity. Can you imagine if Picasso hadn't departed his precedents?

[MegaGum1]

Imagine Miles, Sly and Jimi at the same gig.

[jamesedwardtheobald]

gotta frown on the jazz critic and any music purists, especially those who frown upon electric instruments. now i might have my predilections ( i hate vibrato in vocals, for instance), but that is my preference and it is not 'gospel'. guys like crouch and wynton marsalis drive me nuts. i like what miles has to say about hearing electric instruments better. rhodes rocks! an addicting instrument

[LavenganzadeCtulhu10]

Stanley Crouch = Jealous.

[TH3Sinn3R1992]

Fuck that retarded Crouch dude... In fact, if we were following the "DIRECTIONS IN MUSIC BY MILES DAVIS" music nowadays would have been much much better...

[happyface4444]

he's right the electric period didn't do anything.  it only made the mahavishnu orchestra, weather report, chick corea, and jazz fusion. :P

[chavruta2000]

Crouch says this stuff with such certitude as if he knows what Miles was thinking, without any proof of what was inside his head.

[pebblefrog196]

I hope Stanley Crouch drowns in a pot of Bitches Brew :)

[YouriH190]

stanley crouch is a faggot, who gives a fuck what this dickless piece of shit says, he's only a fucking critic because he can't write!

[FingersPlainview]

Crouch-Go fuck yerself jealous critic-what the fuck is a critic anyway?-F-him!

[RedPortiaOne]

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[teflon662]

dont agree with Crouch but man still has more credibility than all of us put together so... i cant hate.

[gmax6060]

Crouch is a very funny guy. Not too bright, but funny. :>)

[Stumpbeefknob]

Damn! A great video

[lmorganjr]

What is the social definition of "selling-out"?

[jesuscomplex]

so what if the system did play him, as an artist he is responsible for the most innovative developments in sonic creation - if the system did play hime we need to thank the system, stanley crouch is bitter cos he don't get it

[peelumba]

the "system" didn't play Miles man, He played the system! He didn't care he had them all eating out of his hands and he made some cash, big deal. Blow on brother!

[lmorganjr]

@peelumba - Indeed.

[SwingtoBop]

To say that Miles sold out is both the right and wrong way to look at it. The thing is that Miles did become musically self aware for the first time. In his autobiography he claims that people were not listening to jazz anymore and digging more on the sounds of Sly and the Family stone and various rock groups, which in all essence is true.

[spiderdog30]

Some history for ya.  Watch it if you have some time.

[saintlysinner666]

Thanks for uploading this, the production, sound and quality is top notch on this.

where did you get it from? Is it available on DVD? I like the interviews too.. Go Miles...

[C0NTR4B455]

.Miles was one super hip musician and this dude S Crouch with his university teaching post is just commenting on the back of other peoples art..He truly is a fool..His intelletual pose is a fraud..The Marsalis company line would have you believe that late Coltrane is a fraud, that Ayler was a con and that O Coleman fooled people..AHHHH!!! These conservative frauds are laughable in their attempts to rationalise their tastes.

[heru1966]

Stanley Crouch would make a great religious fundamentalist, don't you think? He's as dogmatic in his thinking as the "best" of them.

[jibsmokestack1]

Crouch and his ilk love to celebrate the black intellectualism of bebop and earlier styles and dismiss fusion because of it's white rock n roll influences. What they fail to realise is that the fusion Miles made on Bitches Brew in particular, is far more out there and less predictable than the theme, solo, theme approach of most 40s 50s and 60s Bop. Accusing him of selling out is so off the mark it makes him and Wynton look silly. These middle class blacks never got over the Beatles invasion!

[NJlo]

@jibsmokestack1 This form of fusion didn't catch on enough to even now be considered a standard form of playing or predictable (sadly). People - including myself - tend to forget though, how revolutionary bop was in its time! Then again, Jazz-Rock (early miles, mahavishnu and jeff beck) is my ultimate music!

[glassbreaker5791]

@jibsmokestack1 particularly ironic because it wasn't even white rock that miles was wanting to play - it was sly and jimi. (and it sure helps that miles himself was pretty outspoken about how much he hated white music and white musicians)

[jibsmokestack1]

@glassbreaker5791 I've never heard of Miles hating white musicians mate. Look at all the white musicians he hired. Konitz, Mulligan et al from Birth of the Cool. Bill Evans, John Mclaughlin, Dave Holland, Keith Jarrett, John Scofield, the list goes on and on. When it came to music , color meant nothing to Miles. And how was Mclaughlin who influenced Miles electric conversion greatly, related to Sly Stone? You have your facts badly wrong mate. Miles was great not stupid!

[glassbreaker5791]

@jibsmokestack1 I'm not saying he hated all white musicians. He hired lots of great ones and was influenced by a lot of them too. But he was very big into the whole "jazz is black" thing. I remember reading an interview, I think with downbeat, where he criticized brubeck for not being able to swing, and where he said that bill evans could only swing when he played with miles' group - his work after that was "too white". Miles was great, but he was also known to be an asshole sometimes.

[jibsmokestack1]

@glassbreaker5791 I agree that he was an asshole sometimes. Brubeck couldn't swing to good though but Desmond and Morello were excellent musicians! I've read many things said by Miles that I disagree with but I've never heard of him saying the 'Jazz is black'. If he did then he was wrong and he musical choices contradict this position.

[glassbreaker5791]

@jibsmokestack1 i actually agree 100% with you. and he never explicitly said "jazz is black" but often (not-neccessarily-so-subtley) insinuated that white people couldn't understand jazz, or at least the white public couldn't (which to one extent or another, i think, is pretty true even, if not especially, today)

[Neidhardt84]

@jibsmokestack1 I don't think that's the real reason why he despises fusion so much. He's expressed the same refusal toward free jazz.

[jibsmokestack1]

@Neidhardt84 Wrong imo. When he was a drummer he was a free jazz drummer and associated with David Murray and the other members of the New York loft scene. Nowadays he is more celebrates Bop and Swing more but he still champions Ornette and others. He is more dismissive of European free jazz which I believe indirectly backs up my previous argument! When a cultural critic he has been accused of being an 'uncle tom' but in jazz criticism he rarely gives any credit to white influences imo!

[GabrielsNob]

Miles recognized that Jazz, and consequently himself, had to move if it was to remain plausible as an art form.

Sure, there's a lot of myth-making but essentially Miles sojourn into 'electric' was essentially were his artistic led him.

[MrMLD72MLD]

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[waldosunshine]

Stanley Crouch can fuck himself with the horse he rode in on

[cuerpoeperra]

At this video we can see santana a lot.....An the others great guitar players too.....But McLaughlin is off!!! ...the speak about Bitches... album and they never speak about John!!!! Whi???

[cosmicrider287]

oh,man thanks for uploading!

[elkhartmartin]

ditto, a wonderful and illuminating film. i think miles had enough money.  i don't think it had anything to do with money. i think it had a lot to do with betty.

[David19225]

"Miles Davis was trying to make some money." So, Miles had been an recording artist for over 25 years at that point & had a need for expressing himself in a more liberated matter & that's wrong, according to MR. Stanley Crouch/Grouch? God forbid that Miles got paid for his art.

[Merkaba4203]

Stanley Crouch need to loosen up those glasses of his, and let his brain breathe.

[poorpy134]

Miles is the definition of "cool".

[punchingdoll]

we know miles but who's crouch?

was it a joke or is crouch just jazz critic with hearing disability? hey crouch, if u can't dig jazz, why don't u turn to like pop or world music or some and do your critic thang as much as you want, as long as you know what you're talking about. Are u really a critic for any? or just imaginary???

[aarfeld]

Stanley Crouch is a prominent Jazz critic who writes movingly about Jazz. Unfortunately he loves acoustic Jazz to the point of being exclusive towards it and rejecting the Fusion that followed. Sadly some people just don't get it. They can't follow the arc of discovery that took us from there to here.

[heru1966]

Always nice to find a fresh reappraisal of Miles' work. :-)

[flipperboy]

art critic- a person not good enough to be an artist.

Though i definitely get crouch's point but i think he was more pissed that lots of hippie stoners and middle class white boys were into it so it blinded him from REALLY listening to it

[wendileona]

You can take Santana's opening statement on "Spiritual Orgasm" in two ways - one, in the context of meaningful musical connection between musician and listener. And two, as simply a method of holding and grabbing the listener. Musicians need a livelihood to continue their musical creative path. Just like a "Jazz critic" needs a livelihood to continue their personal translation of a musicians and listeners experience for the listener.

[Jamaicafunk]

Yea! Amazing video quality!

[nilanx]

Later on on this vid, Mtume (congas) basically says that those who dissed Miles for playing this music dissed on a music that wasn't jazz so they didn't know what the fuck they were talkin' bout when they said it wasn't jazz.

Crouch is pathetic.

[SebCo77]

Wow, not to take anything away from the other footage, but the picture and sound quality of the Steve Allen show footage is incredible!

Anybody know if the whole show is available somewhere in that quality? Thanks a lot.

[ChibaFish]

i love the way the reflection on his horn gives that high contrast burn on these old cameras.

[computerhacksaw]

Stanley Crouch is such a hater - hatin' on bitches brew! - what a moron. This guy doesn't know anything about music. Guess that's why he's a jazz 'critic' (whatever that is) instead of a musician.

[boertush]

when god gave us music the devil gave us critics

[dlm9293]

@computerhacksaw all critics suck..i think its their job, man.

[Rayneslove]

@computerhacksaw Actually ALOT of people in the industry felt the same as Stanley Crouch.

[computerhacksaw]

@Rayneslove Stanley seems to have fallen in love with one particular style that Miles played - and then mistook himself for a fan of Miles Davis.

He's a fan of some kind of music that he has up in his head, and then criticizes musicians for not playing what he imagines they should be playing.

Maybe Miles should have played Dixie Land Jazz for 50 years instead of being an artist and an inventor.

Maybe Stanley Crouch should take up an instrument and show us what Miles should have played...

[KrummyBear]

@Rayneslove Yeah.....Like Wynton. "Not real jazz". It just speaks to his genius, that at the time... hardly anyone liked it. And then, people started to come around. They chewed on it, and they realized, o wait, we're silly, infact, the shit of Miles Davis DOES smell like roses. He was so progressive, that he was the only one to progress for a time.... It's like Beethovens first Symphony starting on a seven chord. The Viennese mob was thoroughly flustered.

[babadef]

@computerhacksaw i listen to everything from jazz to death metal to house and they're all musicians. Miles was another great musician

[superfuzzymomma]

OUTSTANDING!!