The International Space Station ISS October end 2007

[Truthabout911]

Hey Grid\John google: An open challenge to Gridkeeper / John Lenard Walson.

Man I thought u guys where authentic but you guys are nothing frauds.

[GRIDKEEPER]

If you want to believe that crap then good for you. I doubt you know anything about ATS and who it is run by. They are/were associated with two very well known ufo researchers and allowed one of them especially (not JE) to launch a sponsored disinfo campaign aganst us whilst slandering falsely, accusing and misinforming about us without EVER showing any EVIDENCE. Seeing as though we have always shown the truth to the world we were left with no chice but to attain legal advice. The truth, Grid.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Oh yeah, refusing to accept 5,000 dollars for us to fly to the usa and miss work. Don't be such a fool. Not to mention the dangers involved whilst also having to take the tlescope equipment through customs and BACK. Wake up and get yourslf a reality check. People with your attitude moan that it's all about the money and then cry when it's not accepted. That is nuts.

[messierhunter]

Fascinating that this looks nothing like the real ISS when you look at with an 8" telescope. I have video footage to prove it. Your positive control, so to speak, which proves you're either faking your images or distorting them so badly that nothing is recognizable and declaring the rest to be "spaceships."

[GRIDKEEPER]

Tell that to NASA and Cambridge University. We've already shown the scope being used, have you not seen that?

[messierhunter]

Showing a scope being used and getting a clear, recognizable image of ISS are two very different things. I know what ISS should look like in your scope because I have one just like it and I've seen ISS many times with it. I've even recorded video of it, and it looks nothing like this. You've failed to provide any evidence that you're capable of tracking known satellites, let alone secret spaceships. What you've shown here is evidence that you're forging your images.

[GRIDKEEPER]

You're off the mark.

[messierhunter]

If I'm "off the mark" and if you really have some super-secret technique for enhancing the resolution of an 8" telescope, you should not only be able to get a clear image of ISS, you should be able to see details that blow away any image I can produce with the same scope. Where are the goods? I have still images of ISS taken with my scope that blow away any of the videos I've posted so far, yet you have yet to match my videos' quality or even the general shape.

[CrocoGecko]

that film sucks that second thing is something on water o.O

[GRIDKEEPER]

It's in space therefore your wild theory sucks mate.

[yupko]

How do you know the second one isn't just a satellite? Or the ISS from another angle?

[GRIDKEEPER]

Hi, please see latest videos for more info, thanks.

[lumpfish99]

could it be the same thing seen from a different angle???

[flangelet]

punjow : Sorry. Replied to another post to this vid instead of to another vid where people see distorted images of ISS and think they should don a foil hat!

[GRIDKEEPER]

Even a child can tell the difference between all the different images.

[runescapejosh1]

I've been studdying the long term affects of radiation on the human body because I'm probably going to work on the ISS space station when I'm older.

[punjow]

The sky is the limit!

[JohnWalton]

wondering what you could do/see with the largest telescopes like the Keck telescope in Hawai or the other largests ones in the world... must be amazing great!!

Keep posting!

[BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil]

its another BLURRY PICTURE! <

[r4m0s87]

These are objects ORBITING OUR PLANET!! What John Walson did was extend the capabilities of small telescopes to achieve optical resolution at almost the diffraction limit, which is not commonly achievable. This evidence tells me that the space powers are far more heavily-invested in space than they'll admit. If anybody has been watching the news, you'd see that more and more UFO's are being spotted lately. They need to disclose this to the public and get it over with once and for all.

[crippled82]

If this was real, then more people would have recorded it. There are more, if not better amateur astronomers out there.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Not if they don't know how to record in higher frequencies with a camcorder as shown in some of the recent films.

[Dooku8]

Some objects look like ships from Star Wars. I don't think is really objects from space. But maybe.

[flangelet]

ALL pictures of things in space look like International Space Station (ISS).

Most people have poor spacial reasoning and are unable to understand that the big, flat + sticky-out-bits ISS can look very different from different directions as it turns in space ESPECIALLY if it has a space shuttle or Russian/European supply vessel docking/docked/undocked.

End on looks tiny, side on looks like Lexx, face on looks like a flat plate but it's the same structure seen from different angles!

[punjow]

The nuances of shadowing and color give a definite sense of structure

[flangelet]

punjow : Have you ever looked through a telescope? Are you intimately familiar with webcam images taken through a telescope? Do you know distortion and interference patterns in an image when you see them?

'nuances of shadowing and color' are garbage in images like these. Minor distortions and atmospherics can ADD components to an image by misshapen lens effects, where the lens is the air itself!

Just the ISS. No alien starships.

[GRIDKEEPER]

They're NOT all the ISS, far from it in fact. Many of the objects in these films are positioned where you look up and see stars. If you look at the stars with your scope you will only see a point of light, if you did it John's way then you would see more. Why don't you show us some of your images. "no alien starships", why do people say that as if i'm trying to tell everyone their aliens?Most of the objects in these films are UNEXPLAINABLE, I personally believe that we may have made them,or not.

[flangelet]

I have an ETX105 with GOTO.

Tracking the International Space Station (ISS) is a REAL challenge because it darts across the sky unlike stars and planets I'm used to looking at.

ISS changes its orientation, turning, plus it sometimes has a space shuttle connected to it, giving it an odd shape. It can look radically different each time.

I have seen odd satellites... pairs and a 'very low' orbiting (maybe deorbiting!) one but these pix look like ISS to me!

[RadAnalyst]

Best viewing times are 6-8P though anytime of day or night they are there (and lots of them). Binoculars work; telescopes are better (the kind for viewing the moon). Focus on 'stars' and bright objects. As they get lower in the atmosphere you can notice a change in the color of the sky (masking/cloaking?). Some call it dirty looking areas. Chemtrails may be an attempt to hide them (don't know for sure). Just pay attention - start looking up! Of course their presence raises many questions..

[Danilocaparros]

marcians for sure

[GRIDKEEPER]

Nice!

[waveguide2]

The premise is this is the ISS, but it's not. It's another of Mr Walsons models. Notice over the 20 secs of flight, there's not slightest change in attitude. If you've video'd the ISS you'll know it appears to turn. Compare with genuine ISS videos and you'll understand. Its presented this way to give credence to the rest of the show, but none are real. I believe Walson is very competant videographer and skilled enough to hoax a lot of people. Enjoys the vids and spooky music but don't be fooled.

[GRIDKEEPER]

It's much easier to track as it's closer. Stop crying hoax. I am starting to find you very deconstructive.

[waveguide2]

Gridkeeper, well that's a big error in your answer. Tracking the ISS is not at all easy - check out the real vids and see. Closer doesn't mean easier. The ISS is moving too fast to ever be easy. All I'm looking for is the truth and you aren't helping by refusing to answer the important questions. You must answer sceptics as well your fans.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Ok, it's easy for JLW to track. This man is a master astronomer. See new video entitled "Meet John Lenard Walson". Thanks.

[waveguide2]

OK thanks for the reference. I'll take a look at 'Meet John Lenard Walson' (master astronomer) and comment there.

[sneakerset]

Just dropped by to see the ISS video.Looks marvelous(Billy Crystal's line).Have you considered adding schoolchildren talking to the astronauts through the ARISS system as a soundtrack?Just a thought..and I'm amused at all the comments you've received(stirred up quite a hornet's nest of opinion)Good luck!

[ThereIsNoPoint]

Does anyone know the date and time at which this was taken, and the place where the observer was located. It should be possible to identify the objects from tracking spacecraft passing overhead at the time.

[underdrive]

I think these could be part of the "Star Wars" initiative or something older involving a parallel space program for intelligence/cold war surveillance. Or it could be "project blue beam", which is a planned "external threat" exercise to fake an alien invasion/attack. Part of the technology required to pull this off would be holographic projections or beam weapons (all conjecture of course).

[GRIDKEEPER]

I thought once it could be bluebeam, but then thought they would have to be very stupid to still try to pull that off as so many people know about it now. Would be interesting if they tried to use bluebeam but I hope they don't.

[spellbinder00]

This is true...I know you do not know the truth...WE Are In The Matrix...A form of mind control.The elite is doing evrything in font of you..in plain site...the plateformes are all around....WAKEUP!! Project Blue Is Upon US!.. Merry Christmas.. And my God help US!!

[AirHoth]

Jose Escamilla is a loser retard. And to all the pansies over at ATS ( who like to steal the copyright to everyones post) Youre threads amount to a babbling waste of digits and time. ATS sucks and so does Jose'. And thanks John for never ansewring the moonman. You probably tried to steal my post info. Chicken sh!t. Rock on GridKeeper. And stay away from the ATS fairies.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Thanks, ATS=NSA infiltration.

[centure7]

Looks like a satellite. Not exactly a revolutionary find. It is interesting though.

[shawnfella]

The way he did it was this: He faked some video footage using any one of the miliion ways to do that - and he concocted a helocopter collage to "back up his footage for the con.

To that he added a bunch of scrambled rhetoric and voila: internet-buzz.

[agentzippo]

So tell us how you did it? If you don't explain in detail how to see these objects ourselves we'll have no choice but to assume they are fakes!

[shawnfella]

There is also the size issue. If real. then how do you determine distance? You have three "apparent size" variables: the actual size vs it's distance vs the multiplication factor on the scope. None of these are cross referencable from one shot. To state distance (altitude) is to reveal bs. This stuff is bs.

[shawnfella]

The reason some shots look like classic familiar spaceship shapes is because they are. It's part of the goof.

[shawnfella]

Trouble is.... no house, just choppers.

Could be any ol' helicopters, anywhere.

It is you who hasn't a clue mate.

The address reveal would be as important for survival as a technique reveal. Neither is forthcoming

Ipso facto: FAKE

[GRIDKEEPER]

Whatever, I don't really care what you think.

[shawnfella]

Yes you are asking people to believe it, that is why the copter footage is shown in conjunction with the fake space footage - as a measure to get people to believe it. "Look it must be real, I have helicopters flying over my house."

[GRIDKEEPER]

Yeah nice one. Why don't you tell us all where you live while you're at it. You haven't got a clue mate. They've been purposely edited to take those revealing parts out of the video. I'm not asking anyone to believe it. Just showing you.

[shawnfella]

There is also this - If buddy is on the up and up and the space footage is real - does an incursion by intimidating helicopters sound like a plausible reaction from an agency that presumably wants to suppress his findings?

[shawnfella]

. I see helicopters but I see NO context. To be truely convincing a proper shot would pan from the front of his house (with address number in plain view) to a shot of the street he is on, then upward to the hovering helicopter - all in one continuous shot. Line up several shots like that with different helicopters and time code markers - and then you have a video record. Anything less than that and I am afraid you are having your leg pulled.

[shawnfella]

Consider this: The chopper footage is missing the same thing that the "space footage" is missing... verifiable coordinates. I see helicopters but I see NO context.

[shawnfella]

Most people are looking to the helicopter incursions as proof that this thing is real not fake: the level of official reaction dictates the level of veracity of the "released space footage."

Unfortunately this tactic is merely that - a tactic, a strategy to co-join suppossed indisputable reality onto fake footage. But I dispute the indisputable. The copters are a big strawman shown to make something fake look real(er).

[h3akalee]

You have been openly challenged by Jose Escamilla at the above Above top secret forum.

It's time to show your technique and evidence or stop this bull once and for all.

SHOW it or SHUT it.

Regard's

Lee

[GRIDKEEPER]

Nice one.

[h3akalee]

Good now that everyone is aware of this including yourself.

Maybe you could make a post on the relevent thread on above top secret.

Hope to see you soon but i wont personaly be holding my breath.

Regard's

Lee

[GRIDKEEPER]

Get Jose's mates who have already claimed they have ALL the evidence needed to prove I am a fake and maybe I'll come over. Until that happens you are all wasting your time.

[FCastle6969]

It's funny you have these large copyright notices on your videos while at the same time use other peoples copyrighted music.

[GRIDKEEPER]

The Copyright notices are to protect any manipulation of the images, that's all. Most of the songs I wrote myself. You may also be surprised by who I know in the music industry.

[h3akalee]

Why would you make such a statement ?

Not about the copyright or the song's you wrote just the part about who you now in the music industry ?

I find that very odd.

And when i see a statement like that it just make's me curious.

Regard's

Lee

[GRIDKEEPER]

Because I know people I can songs off to use. What's the problem here, I used to work in the music industry, loads of people already know that.

[GRIDKEEPER]

I made that statement to a comment on the other page. Youtube mixes them into the wrong place sometimes.

[h3akalee]

Your doing it again you see.

When you say Load's of peaple already know that an alarm bell goes off in my head.

Know what im saying ?

If you dont thats fine i will explain when you say something like that it show's your trying to re inforce what your saying.

In this case about who you know in the music industry.

Who cares why do we need to know that ?

Unless your trying to re inforce another lie.

Regard's

Lee

[GRIDKEEPER]

Forgot to ask, does it make you curious or just suspicious?

[FCastle6969]

So you wrote 'Also sprach Zarathustra' fron 2001: A Space Odyssey and the music from the film 'ET'?

[GRIDKEEPER]

No, I said I wrote some of the music. What's you're point here? Who I know and what music I put on my videos is none of your business.

[FCastle6969]

My point? using other peoples copyrighted music in you videos, lets see what they have to say about that.

[GRIDKEEPER]

ok then.

[HelpaBumOut]

r u taking any of these images yourself if you are whats your setup

[h3akalee]

That is the golder goose that we are all waiting for.

Sad thing is i dont think we will ever find out.

My personal opinion even though many think the same as me.

Is that this is all a ploy to make money.

And as a matter of fact Mr Jose Escamilla has made an open challenge with no response yet from Gridkeeper.

[h3akalee]

It strike's me as odd how someone who had this information and equipment setup would not realease it.

The amount of fame and money it would generate would be enough to live like a king.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Listen to yourself. You talk like you already know, why don't you go ask Jose's mates to bring forward the evidence which they claim to already have?

[h3akalee]

All i see you doing is side tracking ?

It's your's and john's discovery not Jose Escamilla's.

Why would his friend's be bringing any evidence forward ?

It should be you and John bringing evidence forward.

But you cant can you.

Does anyone else see a pattern forming here ?

Regard's

Lee

[agentzippo]

How were you able to see these objects? Saying something like, Look beyond space and time doesn't help btw.

[GRIDKEEPER]

The ISS looks different because it is filmed using the same technique which reveals the other objects. When shown to professional astronomers they all recognise it as the ISS straight away. Gridkeeper.

[h3akalee]

So what is this amazing technique ?

Instead of piping on about it none stop just spit it out.

The so called future of the human race could depend on it.

Na let's not give the "technique" away as it does not exist.

Come on SHOW it or SHUT it.

Anyone thinking about buying into this bull dont im serious your wasting your money.

Regard's

Lee

[Seravat7]

It's a space sperm.

[usernametakenwth]

maybe space garbage, or a space station, who knows, there's a lot of things up there put by us

[acidrain45]

maybe satans forces waiting to invade

[MEATLOAFFUCK]

Doesn't the ISS rotate though? Isn't that the ISS from a different angle? I'd LOVE that to be an ET mothership of some black project, but I doubt it.

[JoshuaSkye]

They look like dead jellyfish to me. There is no point-of-reference. How do we know that these are what you say they are? How about an exact quadrant where they were filmed?

[GRIDKEEPER]

Vega.

[humanswin]

Hey mate,top header on rense,congrats.This will get some notice for sure.This should be huge,if people cant realize this is real,then they are losing out...shuttle Atlantis delayed,mine is on schedule.Excellent work .These things are going to change human underdstanding of possibility.

[reghall]

Millenium Falcon, B Wing , George Lucas must be proud. What a nice hoax. 8" cock more likely.

[jeffuehrer]

it's probably an sss. secret space station.

[kahlesstiberius]

looks like the lex

[GRIDKEEPER]

Hi, John Lenard Walson used the same technique to film this as he does with the other objects.

[ArchangelSandalphon]

there IS NO ISS...its a HOAX...WAKE UP...just like the moon landing..HOAX...WAKE UP

[GRIDKEEPER]

Then how come we can see it through the telescope? Is that fake too?

[blueskies66]

I want a Celestron StarHopper 10 Inch Dobsonian for Christmas...anyone?...???

[keiththetrucker1]

looks to me to be a refuelling flying tanker,where was it filmed ? the americans had them based at raf fairford in the late 90s.

[GRIDKEEPER]

In Space from Earth.

[GRIDKEEPER]

Using an 8" telescope.

[owenbigpinekey]

Could it be the shuttle????

[GRIDKEEPER]

Please see the video response, thanks.